**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 13 02:59:56 2008 Sep 13 03:01:35 hopefully this script will be useful to others in the community, if anyone is going to do just a standard flash with dfu-util tonight could you give DFUScript a try and let me know how it works for you Sep 13 03:01:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/DFUScript Sep 13 03:02:38 prjktdtnt: flashing u-boot cannot brick a freerunner, only a 1973. Sep 13 03:02:57 it is not possible to damage a freerunner using dfu-util alone Sep 13 03:03:03 rwhitby: thanks, i'll update that on the wiki page and the script Sep 13 03:03:08 i wasn't aware of that Sep 13 03:03:24 (it's easy to brick a neo 1973 by overwriting u-boot however) Sep 13 03:03:40 ok so freerunner won't brick but 1973 will then? Sep 13 03:03:45 read up on nor vs nand u-boot on the wiki for details of freerunner brickage protection Sep 13 03:03:49 using dfu-util anyway Sep 13 03:04:02 yes, 1973 can be bricked, freerunner can't. Sep 13 03:04:33 ok, also both devices would require a NOR boot to flash correct? Sep 13 03:04:55 1973 doesn't have nor Sep 13 03:05:30 if freerunner nand u-boot is working then it can be used to flash. you only need to use the freerunner nor boot if the nand u-boot is corrupted Sep 13 03:05:54 i learn something new daily Sep 13 03:05:56 but it is convenient just to always use nor on freerunner to flash Sep 13 03:06:57 that is how I've been doing it Sep 13 03:08:24 overall (other than the few errors such as NAND vs NOR and differences of the FR vs 1973 how do you like it? Sep 13 03:08:48 I'm not your target audience Sep 13 03:09:12 I guess i'll have to see what feedback I get on the community list then Sep 13 03:12:52 * rooly sides with rwhitby Sep 13 03:14:00 hi folks Sep 13 03:15:34 Has anyone ported sun java J2SE on FR Sep 13 03:15:48 rwhitby: thanks for all the info, the wiki page and scripts have both been updated Sep 13 03:16:13 err script rather Sep 13 03:17:18 Hello all! Question about FSO Milestone3 on the Neo1973... I get an error trying to install the gllin driver package. Anyone experience this? Sep 13 03:17:40 shaz, o_0 wtf? Sep 13 03:19:40 Is that too much? Sep 13 03:49:02 Hey, flashing a new FR for the first time - using the FSO MS3 uImage and rootfs. Where can I find the new uboot? Sep 13 03:54:14 n/m found it. Sep 13 03:59:20 are there any other web pages like FDOM that we should be aware of? Sep 13 04:12:34 is having the latest u-boot important? Sep 13 04:17:57 No. Sep 13 04:18:17 The revision on the phone is 1.3.2 rc2 and the latest stable is 1.3.2 Sep 13 04:18:28 but, might aswell do it the first time Sep 13 04:19:17 Anyone compiled scummvm yet? Sep 13 04:45:49 * hil__ takes the question from openmoko-cdevel and pastes it in openmoko Sep 13 04:45:50 hi all. I'm trying to build a custom kernel for openmoko. I already have a patch but I can't find out the convention for applying this patch. I need to use the kernel version 2.6.24.3 plus a patch file. Do I need a git repository setup on the build system? Sep 13 05:48:06 hmm Sep 13 05:48:36 * nullpuppy ponders between FSO MS3 or current 2008.8/9/whatever Sep 13 05:48:49 nullpuppy: Using FDOM myself Sep 13 05:48:52 i tried fs3 3 Sep 13 05:49:06 went to FDOM Sep 13 05:49:17 there now Sep 13 05:49:36 slaxxin, What did you not like about FS 3? Sep 13 05:49:49 fdom? where about do i get that? Sep 13 05:50:06 cant quit playing that damn game had to put it on the wifes windows mnachine just so i can use me freerunner Sep 13 05:50:12 * nullpuppy has been sort of out of the loop lately, school started back up and out of time ;) Sep 13 05:50:44 no sms no calander Sep 13 05:50:45 nullpuppy, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution Sep 13 05:51:05 haha Sep 13 05:51:08 * nullpuppy looks Sep 13 05:51:30 these are on a need to know basis Sep 13 05:51:47 it works very well i might add Sep 13 05:52:38 alright. Sep 13 05:52:42 how is it speed wise? Sep 13 05:52:56 i've been using 2007.2 since 2008.8 was slooooow last time i tried. Sep 13 05:52:58 Same as OM 2008.8, which is what it is. Sep 13 05:52:59 good tango version with a dark background with several types of maps to choose from Sep 13 05:53:05 ok Sep 13 05:53:24 must try Sep 13 05:53:47 k Sep 13 05:53:49 numptyphysics Sep 13 05:53:51 * nullpuppy downloads Sep 13 05:54:03 still tempted to at least take a look at fso though Sep 13 05:54:18 think the last version i ran was ms1 though Sep 13 05:54:22 well go ahead Sep 13 05:54:42 there are some improvements Sep 13 05:55:06 slaxxin: many from ms2? Sep 13 05:55:14 well Sep 13 05:55:23 i dont really know Sep 13 05:55:44 i only had it on foe 8 hours Sep 13 05:55:45 is the fdom mirror better then the main site? Sep 13 05:55:54 * nullpuppy doesn't want to wait 40mins Sep 13 05:56:03 it was slow to dl Sep 13 05:56:14 100 megs Sep 13 05:56:16 nevermind, mirror doesn't have the tar.gz Sep 13 05:56:27 anyone using the google maps via fdom? is there a site that describes what's happening? cause when i zoom in, i'm getting pixelated images Sep 13 05:57:49 underwarter do u have debian on sd too? Sep 13 05:57:56 slaxxin: yes Sep 13 05:58:15 can i save these maps to debian ? Sep 13 05:58:36 slaxxin: good question...i don't want to save them yet...cause they look so horrible Sep 13 05:58:53 debian tmp or somewhere else? Sep 13 05:59:11 what would be the path? Sep 13 05:59:55 from flash side i'm using /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/... Sep 13 06:00:01 somewhere that both os can access them/share them Sep 13 06:00:08 on SD that just makes it /Maps Sep 13 06:00:38 seperate partition? Sep 13 06:01:02 SD has 2 partitions...1 for kernel, the other for rootfs Sep 13 06:01:10 yes Sep 13 06:01:30 so when i boot SD, the maps dir is /Maps Sep 13 06:01:38 fat kernel an ext2 rootfs Sep 13 06:01:57 when i boot straight, the maps dir is /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/... Sep 13 06:02:13 slaxxin: i think i'm using 2 ext2...but same concept Sep 13 06:03:00 so i can set the 2008.8 tango to /media/mmcblk0p2/Maps/ Sep 13 06:03:17 an debian will use the same? Sep 13 06:03:32 tango in deb? Sep 13 06:03:40 it should work fine, though debian would see it as /Maps Sep 13 06:03:48 dns53: thanks Sep 13 06:04:02 well i dont have it setup yet im just trying to get the idea Sep 13 06:04:14 got the idea? Sep 13 06:04:20 yea Sep 13 06:04:22 :D Sep 13 06:04:44 tango is cool, you should also use the maps-for-free and openaerial maps as well Sep 13 06:05:07 you could also create a /Maps symlink on internal flash so you'd have the same path either way.... Sep 13 06:05:10 :) Sep 13 06:05:13 i saw that an used them Sep 13 06:06:11 talking on my laptop tethered through my FR :) Sep 13 06:06:27 yay Sep 13 06:07:08 SLOW for sure but at least now I can remote into servers or check e-mail so long as I have reception! Sep 13 06:08:38 going to run a speed test, should be interesting to see Sep 13 06:08:53 if the page will ever load Sep 13 06:10:19 what browser? Sep 13 06:10:30 firefox on my laptop Sep 13 06:10:48 ok now it's starting to load Sep 13 06:10:51 FR providing GPRS? Sep 13 06:11:14 i think they said it would be close to dial-up, they weren't kidding! Sep 13 06:11:25 undrwater: yes Sep 13 06:11:34 FDOM with modified chatscripts for t-mobile Sep 13 06:11:44 and iptables installed Sep 13 06:13:09 the ping is over 1000ms, speed test is just BARELY starting Sep 13 06:16:03 49kbps download Sep 13 06:16:27 not bad ;) Sep 13 06:16:37 that's better than the dialup i can get here Sep 13 06:17:01 true, i've got 12mbps cable though so this is PAINFUL to watch Sep 13 06:17:06 the upload isn't even moving yet Sep 13 06:18:37 that's ok, the part of it I wanted to use it for works, administration of linux servers when not near a wifi hotspot or browsing when at a friend's house that has no internet Sep 13 06:20:26 had to swap back to my wifi router, that was painfully slow Sep 13 06:21:05 vs my 14830kb/s down and 5598kb/s up connection Sep 13 06:21:11 remember when the internet was friendly at that speed? Sep 13 06:21:50 sadly yes, when I first got a computer in the late 90's we had 56k, was lucky to get 14.4+ out of it Sep 13 06:24:47 i remember maxing out the 56k for hours Sep 13 06:25:06 lol my dad HATED when I tied up the phone all day Sep 13 06:25:34 ...how long before my other freenode connection will drop (phone's GPRS has been disabled now)? it's annoying to see the _ in my name Sep 13 06:25:46 those were the days...i didn't have any friends...cause no one could call me Sep 13 06:26:24 we had another modem line Sep 13 06:26:43 i couldn't afford one...i did have a pager tho Sep 13 06:26:55 that never rang either Sep 13 07:11:03 my god, never watch a tv show called "10th kingdom" Sep 13 07:19:24 news about the release date of om 2008.9? Sep 13 07:22:09 <`6og> there is one? Sep 13 07:23:42 has anyone tried attaching a floppy disk drive to the freerunner? Sep 13 07:24:20 <`6og> o_0 Sep 13 07:24:25 :O Sep 13 07:25:07 ieatlint: superdrive Sep 13 07:25:27 scsi Sep 13 07:26:46 do i actually do "make today" on FDOM? Sep 13 07:27:00 let's have a "who can get the weirdest hardware working with the FR" contest Sep 13 07:27:05 or does he mean that if i opkg update / upgrade i'll have upgraded to today Sep 13 07:27:47 * undrwater rummages through his box of legacy equipment Sep 13 07:28:05 vr2 tape drive? Sep 13 07:28:25 scsi 6-cd changer Sep 13 07:28:44 that's still kinda cool if slow Sep 13 07:29:36 lol.. familiar feelings... should go through my "old stuff" box too some day.. Sep 13 07:29:49 i bet i'll find a bunch of ISA network cards and stuff.. Sep 13 07:30:37 ne2000.... oh the memories Sep 13 07:31:52 yeah Sep 13 07:35:45 isapnpdump Sep 13 07:35:49 i got one ISA NE2000 with BNC connector only... Sep 13 07:35:49 irq= Sep 13 07:35:53 dma= Sep 13 07:36:01 undrwater: no PNP there Sep 13 07:36:05 hehe.. oldtimers Sep 13 07:36:31 there was a pnpdump command...dun remember if it had "isa" attached Sep 13 07:37:00 undrwater: i meant the card didn't do any pnp stuff. you configured it with jumpers Sep 13 07:37:56 my god what have i started.. Sep 13 07:37:57 got it...i think there was some early pnp stuff where the OS tried to figure out what the card reported... Sep 13 07:38:26 it was a long time ago (in computer terms) and i was a compy newb then anyway...so i'll not argue the point Sep 13 07:42:23 undrwater, in the beginning of isa bus, there was no pnp at all Sep 13 07:43:18 anybody kwow, how to turn off the phone with FSO? Sep 13 07:46:33 hold the power button for more than 8 sec Sep 13 07:50:26 that doesn't really turn it off correctly methinks Sep 13 07:51:12 it will Sep 13 07:51:19 tried many many times last night :) Sep 13 07:51:38 hmh. new fdom out... Sep 13 07:52:11 got wsod often enough with last one not to have it everyday.. let's try the new one.. Sep 13 08:08:19 where can i download om2007 images ? Sep 13 08:09:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download Sep 13 08:13:58 * Sargun bo Sep 13 08:18:53 how stable is om2008 now ? Sep 13 08:19:50 Zoup: I'm using FDOM (based on om2008) as my daily phone with no problems (unless you lock the screen at the same time you're suspending, I also disabled auto suspend Sep 13 08:20:01 whiskey is good though Sep 13 08:20:26 is this time to ugprade to om2008 from 2007 ? :) Sep 13 08:20:58 Zoup: I did, haven't gone back Sep 13 08:21:14 I have dabbled in FSO and Qtopia but just keep coming back to om2008 based images Sep 13 08:21:32 same experience here Sep 13 08:21:39 prjktdtnt_: i was thinking about Qtopia , how is that ? Sep 13 08:22:15 is illume keyboard 'more sane' now ? Sep 13 08:22:17 Zoup: it's ok, better than 2007.2 but I still prefer 2008.8 personally Sep 13 08:23:04 oh no, the cat goes for the whiskey Sep 13 08:23:09 again I'm using FDOM which is a customized version of om2008, works really well Sep 13 08:23:35 ieatlint: going to hit the ballmer peak? Sep 13 08:23:42 prjktdtnt_: are you using GPRS ? is this working better now with om2008 ? Sep 13 08:23:47 i wish i could Sep 13 08:24:04 but i'm on an eee... and i've long since determined that i cannot program on an eee :( Sep 13 08:24:33 <|hama|> prjktdtnt: i dl the current release from FDOM, how is suspend working? Sep 13 08:25:14 |hama| i only use manual suspend but it's working without issues that I can see Sep 13 08:25:36 I disable auto suspend as it seems to cause too many problems Sep 13 08:26:02 ieatlint: eee 900 or 700? Sep 13 08:26:12 702, technically Sep 13 08:26:19 <|hama|> prjktdtnt: that sounds great :) i use ms3 since its release and it works (nearly) well... Sep 13 08:26:21 but 701 Sep 13 08:26:38 |hama| i had too many problems with SMS to use it daily Sep 13 08:27:15 <|hama|> prjktdtnt: i see. sms is a feature me isnt using at all, so i didn miss anythg... Sep 13 08:28:10 hello,I HAVE BATTLE FOR WESNOTH RUNNING ON THE FREERUNNER!!!! Sep 13 08:28:13 <|hama|> prjktdtnt: but that is no reason to test other distris... Sep 13 08:28:15 |hama| I use SMS more than voice since I'm at work most of my week, well the portions of it I'm awake for anyway Sep 13 08:28:28 <|hama|> Gnutoo: :)) very nice!! Sep 13 08:28:51 ms3 has one major issue for me.. i didn't find a way how to import my contacts to zhone database Sep 13 08:28:51 |hama| I like FSO but I use my phone as my only phone so I have to have voice and SMS, GPRS is nice to have now too though Sep 13 08:29:09 <|hama|> prjktdtnt: grrr, mean: no reason NOT to test other distris... Sep 13 08:29:27 |hama|, i've done it with some help and my bb file is badly written...and it runs on 2008.8 Sep 13 08:29:44 |hama| absolutely, I have tried 2007.2, 2008.8, 2008.8-update, FDOM and FSO M3 Sep 13 08:29:58 same here.. ive tried everything i can get my hands on to Sep 13 08:30:39 I'd like my application to be listed on the start screen. Where do I have to add something? Sep 13 08:30:49 <|hama|> Gnutoo: is there a way to get ur packages? Sep 13 08:30:56 atm i only have one issue with the stability.. and it's the same everywhere. wsod.. Sep 13 08:31:09 I'd like to get a running copy of SHR actually. Sep 13 08:31:20 <|hama|> me didnt tried debian for now.. need a larger sd-card :) Sep 13 08:31:40 haven't tried debian either for the same reason Sep 13 08:31:44 |hama|, yes there is...i will share it with the source... Sep 13 08:32:01 <|hama|> bill: same here. there are issues in evry release... Sep 13 08:32:19 |hama|, but i must work for my math exam...mabe in some hours i'll make the package available but where can i put it? Sep 13 08:32:21 <|hama|> but all starting is hard... Sep 13 08:32:39 <|hama|> Gnutoo: thats a _good_ question... Sep 13 08:32:46 |hama|, it's composed of boost_iostream and wesnoth ipk/opk Sep 13 08:32:48 I have flashed my phone so many times I finally wrote the DFUScript to make it go faster (so I don't have to pass -d hexcode -a alternative -R -D filename.ext I just say devicetype alternate file.ext) Sep 13 08:33:04 |hama|: i know.. i still feel that we are moving with gigantic leaps here Sep 13 08:33:22 |hama|, mabe i will setup an apache server on my computer but it won't be permanant... Sep 13 08:33:46 <|hama|> Gnutoo: sounds finger-liking-good Sep 13 08:34:12 <|hama|> Gnutoo: but dont forget ur exam.. :) Sep 13 08:34:36 |hama|, it's for stylus only...and you must be carefull not to press om2008.8 menu when you press menu or action Sep 13 08:34:46 Gnutoo: if you gzip the file and e-mail it to me and I'll put it up on projektenterprises.com Sep 13 08:35:09 I've got plenty of space and bandwidth Sep 13 08:35:33 ok thanks...i'll keep this computer on...but i'll go study for my math exam... Sep 13 08:35:34 <|hama|> well, we need a place where those 'selfmade' apps can be put on and others can complete/package them... Sep 13 08:36:05 community repo? Sep 13 08:36:28 <|hama|> is it not only for distros? Sep 13 08:36:31 we actually have multiverse already.. Sep 13 08:36:58 iirc to multiverse anyone can submit stuff.. Sep 13 08:37:04 <|hama|> yeah, true Sep 13 08:38:31 <|hama|> but this only works with generated packages... and you need more lnowledge: to code and package... Sep 13 08:38:39 true Sep 13 08:38:46 but the initiative is there already Sep 13 08:38:51 the bb is ugly...i have hardcoded path that must be remplaced by variables... Sep 13 08:39:16 <|hama|> i think there are some more peps out there who wrote some nice things, but dunno how to 'release' this Sep 13 08:39:34 and i was not alone in this port...i've done wesnoth but another oe dev has improved boost,sdl... Sep 13 08:39:45 <|hama|> Gnutoo: thats only a prob in this release... someone ll fix it later, i am sure Sep 13 08:39:55 ok Sep 13 08:59:37 Hi, I just installed FSO ms3 on my freerunner and I on this release the /etc/opkg/* files are not configured correctly. So how is the correct setup for these (especially the correct angström feed)? Sep 13 09:04:21 hello Sep 13 09:12:54 hi, is it possible to power on vibrator on gta02 with an echo "1">file command? Sep 13 09:14:21 me, kinda Sep 13 09:14:24 me: as in turn it on and leave it running or enable/disable for rings and the like? Sep 13 09:14:58 I want to turn it on/off with an echo command, is it possible? Sep 13 09:15:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs#.2Fsys.2Fdevices.2Fplatform.2Fneo1973-vibrator.0.2Fleds.2Fneo1973:vibrator.2Fbrightness Sep 13 09:15:30 255 is full on, 0 is full off... Sep 13 09:15:42 and everything inbetween... Sep 13 09:15:54 thanks! Sep 13 09:15:57 (that page has a lot of fun stuff to turn on/off with echo) Sep 13 09:16:06 I thought so, but I set echo "1" so it was very low Sep 13 09:16:07 lol Sep 13 09:16:27 yep, you can adjust it :) Sep 13 09:16:36 thanks a lot Sep 13 09:17:37 alright, it's 2:22am here... which means my father's been dead for 365 days, 15 minutes Sep 13 09:18:22 have anyone experienced any troubles with the toolchain? Sep 13 09:18:47 TAsn, yes, everyone's who's tried to use a toolchain has Sep 13 09:19:19 less generally speaking, has anyone had errors concerning the link against gtk libs? Sep 13 09:19:32 it doesn't say that explictiy though you can see that it's gtk related ; Sep 13 09:20:23 are you talking about linking, or what? Sep 13 09:21:27 linking Sep 13 09:21:39 generally building the sample app Sep 13 09:21:47 i tried make Sep 13 09:21:59 and when it got to linking that's the errors i got ;\ Sep 13 09:22:21 not found, symbol error, what kind of error? Sep 13 09:22:52 undefined reference Sep 13 09:23:05 getting a lot of those :) Sep 13 09:23:10 turn the vibrate to 255 and then come up behind a friend with that going ROFL Sep 13 09:23:28 does anyone know.. can i remove the install applications bar from the bottom of the screen.. Sep 13 09:23:40 i install stuff anyway with terminal.. Sep 13 09:24:16 Bill: I had been wondering that myself but hadn't yet asked Sep 13 09:24:45 prjktdtnt, i say monitor the base of an mp3, assigning a value of 0-255 Sep 13 09:24:47 when scrolling with lots of apps i always accidentally envoke installer Sep 13 09:24:59 then play back the mp3 with the mp3 as a truly half-assed sub Sep 13 09:25:03 ieatlint: interesting Sep 13 09:25:24 err, with the vibrator as a truly half-assed... Sep 13 09:26:57 where is the folder containing the .desktop files? Sep 13 09:27:34 ieatlint, any ideas? Sep 13 09:28:01 prjktdtnt, check ~/.e Sep 13 09:28:28 TAsn, you're not linking all the libs needed or something Sep 13 09:28:43 it's the sample project.... Sep 13 09:28:47 it should just work ;0 Sep 13 09:28:54 i dunno the sample project, heh Sep 13 09:29:00 ieatlint, and i know im not, that's what i said :) Sep 13 09:29:05 hehe Sep 13 09:29:18 ieatlint, same goes for the calculator project i tried getting! Sep 13 09:29:19 ;0 Sep 13 09:29:19 ieatlint: not in .e, looking for where the desktop files (the ones that are used to create the main screen's launchers) are stored so I can remove a few Sep 13 09:29:19 doesn't it feel good to have another confirm your finding though :P Sep 13 09:29:31 ieatlint, of course ;0 Sep 13 09:30:03 /usr/share/applications apparently Sep 13 09:30:57 heh, different on each image Sep 13 09:31:18 sorry, forgot to mention that I was using FDOM Sep 13 09:32:21 ok so getting rid of assassin.desktop from /usr/share/applications it removes the link to the installer but not the bar itself Sep 13 09:33:06 that hello world app has some weird gtk Sep 13 09:33:22 making a label and adding it to the button is unnecessary... Sep 13 09:34:39 I can't find the file that controls the bottom bar Sep 13 09:53:53 remoko won't start on my install of FDOM Sep 13 09:55:24 nevermind, restarted bluetooth init script and it's being a little more co-operative Sep 13 10:16:25 ieatlint, although at first i thought it's not related i tried the tip in the wiki about installing a previous toolchain, worked ): Sep 13 10:16:27 :) Sep 13 10:17:48 hello! Sep 13 10:18:01 happy to join the community Sep 13 10:18:07 hi Sep 13 10:18:28 i've been mauled by a cat Sep 13 10:18:30 I've got a problem with the python-etk-git package Sep 13 10:18:31 little bastard Sep 13 10:19:03 "Patch scrolled_view-drag.patch does not apply" Sep 13 10:19:19 I am new, no clue yet. Sep 13 10:19:33 ich kann nicht englisch Sep 13 10:20:03 ich dachte das heißt kein Sep 13 10:24:52 log file for python-etk-git failing : http://pastebin.com/m3742d12e Sep 13 10:28:42 is there a toolchain for the latest version of Om2008.8? I'm a bit confused by the webpage. Sep 13 10:29:06 or the latest stable version Sep 13 10:29:34 y Sep 13 10:29:43 @jrei what web page ? Sep 13 10:30:01 wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Sep 13 10:33:21 by the way, I installed the Milestone 3 img of FSO within qemu. In Zhone only map and configuration are not graied. Do i have to install the others additionaly or are they not working due to some missing dbus functions of qemu Sep 13 10:45:15 does anybody even care about bug #666? there are more and more reporting their issues with certain sim cards, but there seems to be no progress (from ti) Sep 13 10:53:12 ok, hdmi ruled until i got the error "cannot display video over hdmi: hdcp connection failed" -- and that's with a direct hdmi link between my receiver and the hdcp-compliant tv Sep 13 10:53:56 if i have to deal with copy protection, i damned well better not deal with it when i use the product as they want me to Sep 13 10:55:23 damn im about to pick up my fr! Sep 13 10:55:29 15 more mins till im going :) Sep 13 10:55:36 im getting nuts. Sep 13 10:56:09 if you're expecting a phone, you'll be disappointed... if you're expecting a fun toy, you'll love it :) Sep 13 10:56:20 im expecting both Sep 13 10:56:30 though the phone part isn't that important :) Sep 13 10:56:56 i heard it can make and recieve calls and sms, which is all i need from a phone Sep 13 10:57:09 and i also heard it runs linux which is all i need from a fun toy ;0 Sep 13 10:57:12 it can, but i wouldn't depend on it Sep 13 10:57:20 is there a program to display an image fullscreen given its path from the command line? i tried omview and exhibit already Sep 13 10:57:25 muhaha especially since the toolchain is working ;0 Sep 13 10:57:48 yeah, programming for it is a lot of fun Sep 13 10:58:01 ieatlint, should be. Sep 13 10:58:05 you looked at the accelerometers yet? easiest interface for a piece of hardware ever Sep 13 10:58:08 lots of fun Sep 13 10:58:27 ieatlint, you sound sarcastic now, are you? Sep 13 10:58:27 ;[ Sep 13 10:58:31 torero: xli, feh Sep 13 10:58:33 nope Sep 13 10:58:39 not at all Sep 13 10:58:56 with the info on the wiki, you can write an interface to them in like 10min or less Sep 13 10:59:04 ieatlint, :) Sep 13 10:59:11 haven't checked anything out yet. Sep 13 10:59:30 only the toolchain and qemu for extra dev sweetness ;0 Sep 13 10:59:42 10 more mins and im out ;0 Sep 13 11:00:07 if you want to do graphical intensive UIs, look at enlightenment libs (specifically, evas) Sep 13 11:00:23 graphical intensive == a lot of movement Sep 13 11:00:28 oh Sep 13 11:00:33 exactly what i was about to ask :) Sep 13 11:00:38 your gtk mileage will vary Sep 13 11:00:59 gtk is great for a UI that just idles without input Sep 13 11:01:03 or gives like text and such Sep 13 11:01:07 or with some input Sep 13 11:01:08 yeah ;0 Sep 13 11:01:18 ieatlint, btw, is there libglade compiled for the moko? Sep 13 11:01:25 should be more than awesome Sep 13 11:01:27 i believe so Sep 13 11:01:32 :) Sep 13 11:01:34 guys, the MokoMakefile wiki page says : "If not, and you can get the error to occur three times in a row after running that sequence of commands (including the update and setup steps) three times, then feel free to report it to rwhitby in #openmoko on IRC." Sep 13 11:01:44 do you know what I should more ? Sep 13 11:01:57 deving will take less than a min. Sep 13 11:02:04 I'm stuck as i don't know how to solve the problem Sep 13 11:02:15 TAsn, anyway, you'll figure it out, it's a great learning tool Sep 13 11:03:15 ieatlint, let's just hope there's documentation available, from what i hear bluez libs are not documented at all ;\ Sep 13 11:03:33 btw, do all the apps in debian run in full screen as well? Sep 13 11:04:05 i've not touched bt yet Sep 13 11:04:10 I think my first example app will be "I am penguin" the FR counter to iphone's "I am rich" ;0 Sep 13 11:04:18 should rock. Sep 13 11:04:20 :) Sep 13 11:04:27 yeah, bluez is a bit undocumented Sep 13 11:04:34 TAsn: that's not a feature of debian but matchbox-window-manager Sep 13 11:04:35 * balrog-k1n had to go through it recently.. Sep 13 11:04:53 i believe they can run in fullscreen, but by default they run in illume -- which is enlightmentent Sep 13 11:04:59 balrog-k1n, i think you just made the biggest understatement of the year. Sep 13 11:05:03 leaves a small bar at the top of the screen Sep 13 11:05:15 ieatlint, that's what i meant as fullscreen. Sep 13 11:05:17 cool enough. Sep 13 11:05:44 ;) Sep 13 11:05:47 well i'll stop asking rhetorical questions, and will just wait for the god moko :) Sep 13 11:05:49 TAsn, if you plan on playing with gsm and bt audio, it's different though Sep 13 11:06:20 bluetooth headsets normally go through alsa Sep 13 11:06:30 aye. Sep 13 11:06:43 actually i just wanna build cool bt probing apps Sep 13 11:06:47 but there's a direct link between the audio codec chip for the gsm modem and the bt modem, changing the game Sep 13 11:06:51 a friend suggested a bt radar ;0 Sep 13 11:07:30 i heard of a bt rader app, which runs from java for cell phones Sep 13 11:08:07 ieatlint: debian does not have illume yet Sep 13 11:08:16 it also counts the number of times you where close to a bt device Sep 13 11:08:23 jrei, hehe cool Sep 13 11:08:25 ah, my mistake then Sep 13 11:08:32 i thought it's fso ui ran in illume now Sep 13 11:08:47 i try to find its name Sep 13 11:09:38 im out Sep 13 11:09:42 wish me luck getting it ;0 Sep 13 11:09:45 have fun Sep 13 11:10:18 TAsn: http://matrix.wearlab.de/~tomsby/wordpress/?p=122 Sep 13 11:10:31 thanks. Sep 13 11:10:32 im off. Sep 13 11:10:52 cya Sep 13 11:12:30 ive written some bluetooth scanner/logger for the moko it is very easy with bluez Sep 13 11:12:43 nice Sep 13 11:13:05 good to hear Sep 13 11:13:47 actually ive got a kinda crazy project with that where i set coordinates in the bluetooth name and place these things about and have a client read the values as if they came from gps Sep 13 11:23:30 someon got this problem: wpa_supplicant only works one time, give timeout on the next associate Sep 13 11:29:47 <|hama|> alx___: most '(or all?) have this i heared (including me) Sep 13 11:31:05 thx |hama| :) trying the "very ugly" startscript, different output, auth well after first time but dont succeed to get ip Sep 13 11:33:06 <|hama|> alx___: well, seems to be the driver... Sep 13 11:33:37 so won't change anything trying with lint-wifi? Sep 13 11:34:13 <|hama|> not so far as i heared... sry, cant help u with this issue... Sep 13 11:35:19 no pb, if everyone gets it, might be on the priority list of someone to debug :) Sep 13 11:50:06 so...where should i put my oe bb file and my binary wesnoth package? Sep 13 11:51:33 2)and how do import music in qtopia media player ? Sep 13 11:51:44 i didn't found it on the wiki Sep 13 11:52:44 any idea why "export" isn't included in the 2008.8-update release? Sep 13 11:52:47 at least not in mine Sep 13 11:53:53 snp, no import not export...i have music on sd...but when i click inside the mediaplayer it seems to work only with a media library or with a location...i can't browse files... Sep 13 11:54:06 s/no/no,/ Sep 13 11:54:06 Gnutoo meant: snp, no, import not export...i have music on sd...but when i click inside the mediaplayer it seems to work only with a media library or with a location...i can't browse files... Sep 13 11:54:19 I mean the command export Sep 13 11:54:27 I need to set the DISPLAY value Sep 13 11:55:50 apt, tab doesn't show it but it exist Sep 13 11:56:38 snp, s/apt/snp Sep 13 11:57:36 Gnutoo: ok thanks!, Will try it, my stupid 3g connection won't allow me to have usb-net running at the same time, bbl. Sep 13 12:07:12 <|hama|> Gnutoo: prj... (dunno the complete name) isnt online now... Sep 13 12:07:32