**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 19 02:59:57 2008 Sep 19 03:09:33 wastrel: ehlo - very cute. Sep 19 03:10:08 i telnet to mail servers a lot Sep 19 03:10:14 it's actually a bad habit Sep 19 03:14:56 haha...i do too Sep 19 03:16:03 i like the ones with funny messages left by the admins =P Sep 19 05:10:20 http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/ ?!? Sep 19 06:15:23 hi Sep 19 06:17:59 is there a known problem with the wifi-driver? Sep 19 06:18:15 we have two aps with the same ssid on different channels Sep 19 06:18:37 when both are visible the freerunner wifi driver breaks Sep 19 06:19:49 I'm confused. Following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS for getting TangoGPS running under Debian. It says you can turn on GPS via zhone. I don't see any way in zhone to do that.... am I missing something? Sep 19 06:20:18 (relatively fresh debian install the other day, so what ever version of Zhone came with that...) Sep 19 06:22:23 hmmm.. it won't work anyways. Doing /etc/init.d/gpsd start at the command line is giving me "not starting GPS (Global Positiong System) daemon: gpsd" Sep 19 07:21:36 can you help me to figure out why my FR cannot reach internet (cannot ping to router 62.80.241.40 , says "Network is unreachable") my network is: http://raigedas.info/temp/net.png Sep 19 07:22:09 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/18/symbian_on_linux/ <-- hmmm Sep 19 07:26:19 I love my openmoko :), am sitting in the passenger seat of my friends car doing 50mph and chatting :) Sep 19 07:27:09 I wish that I had 3G though, GPRS is so slow Sep 19 07:28:37 Good to hear that someone is loving it Sep 19 07:29:06 darmarak: aren't you? Sep 19 07:29:26 err daramarak rather Sep 19 07:30:29 prjktdtnt: use TAB for nick highlighting ;) Sep 19 07:30:50 gromez: didn't know that, thanks for the tip Sep 19 07:32:28 buti: yes, there are known and unknown issues with wifi Sep 19 07:33:06 ceda: good to know. are there any known work-arounds for my particular problem? Sep 19 07:33:08 werner sent an updated to the kernel mailing list recently, stating a few known bugs with open and wep networks Sep 19 07:33:40 buti: don't know, try to search for it at docs.openmoko.org and the wiki, and also the mailing lists Sep 19 07:33:53 ok, thanks Sep 19 07:34:01 ceda: what about WPA? I have a wpa network and mine using the gui hasn't ever been able to connect successfully Sep 19 07:34:22 prk: it's a security measure. Sep 19 07:34:25 prjktdtnt: true for me to, mofi works quite well though Sep 19 07:34:28 It's more secure if you can't connect. Sep 19 07:34:31 but not if both aps are wisible Sep 19 07:34:42 buti: I can't recall someone reporting that specific problem, so I really think you should send an e-mail to community@ and see if anyone can reproduce the same problem Sep 19 07:34:48 buti: I even tried mofi actually, it didn't seem to work Sep 19 07:35:35 ceda: i'll do a few more test, unplugging the aps and testing separately. Sep 19 07:35:56 the bad thing is the driver mostly really hangs Sep 19 07:36:03 (reboot required) Sep 19 07:36:13 prjktdtnt: again, I have no idea. I've only gotten open networks to work properly. I've not put any energy into trying to fix/identify WLAN issues Sep 19 07:36:22 maybe making it a module would be a good step Sep 19 07:36:33 ceda: not worried I use USB or GPRS anyway Sep 19 07:36:38 prjktdtnt: I haven't received mine yet :) Sep 19 07:36:38 they work fine Sep 19 07:36:45 buti: yes. always set the wep key first, then the ssid (or the ssid will be wiped out) Sep 19 07:37:08 Daramarak: bummer, i remember waiting for mine, I was so excited when I finally got it I was almost late for work Sep 19 07:37:10 ceda: we got wpa Sep 19 07:37:13 and don't set the string wep key (s:something) because that isn't reliable Sep 19 07:37:25 prjktdtnt: me to :) Sep 19 07:37:32 and also a strange phenomenon: wpa_supplicant -u gets magically restarted all the time Sep 19 07:37:41 with no ppid, so i'm kind of lost Sep 19 07:37:45 prjktdtnt: Received notice from Pulster.de that I had to wait to 20th of octrober :( Sep 19 07:38:22 Daramarak: oh wow, I thought my week and a half was too long to wait, well just know that by the time you get yours they'll probably fix even more problems Sep 19 07:38:38 by the time I got mine they had GPRS via gui (if you'd already programmed the chatscripts) Sep 19 07:45:25 prjktdtnt: I ordered mine in middle of Aug. Just arrived this week. Sep 19 07:45:41 (shipped to wrong address though, returned, resent....) Sep 19 07:46:33 i have installed vmware-server on debian system, but when im trying to run the image then it is giving error like " (vmware:5978): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/local/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) Sep 19 07:46:53 ceda: I'm coming into this late, but I had the same issue with wifi connection, with a fresh 2008.8 install Sep 19 07:47:03 prjktdtnt: Yeah, I know. But it is a long time to wait, esp. when I was supposed to recive it this monday. Sep 19 07:48:53 Daramarak: i also ordered from pulster and it took one and a half month... Sep 19 07:49:01 so I just found out that doing a Debian install on a 512MB microSD, and then installing XFCE quickly fills the SD card. And once filled, the FreeRunner has problems booting.. :) Sep 19 07:50:29 Koolu in Canada was only a 3 week wait.... (for first shippment)... Sep 19 07:59:26 sakkara: this is because pulster gets the phones in patches Sep 19 07:59:31 which are sold out very quickly. Sep 19 08:01:19 yeah... Sep 19 08:03:13 Sorry need a bit of help with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain building the sample APP Sep 19 08:08:34 I've followed the instructions and have not gotten an error but can't see an executable? Sep 19 08:11:05 Arigead: hmm.. just did the same, and I'm not seeing the compiled file... Sep 19 08:12:56 Arigead: it's under the src directory Sep 19 08:16:20 Sgrover: Oh be the Hockey! Why didn't I think to look in src folder. Thanks a million Sep 19 08:31:29 hi, how do I add LD_FLAGS correctly in openmoko toolchain.. Sep 19 08:31:30 ? Sep 19 08:33:03 for now I simply added my lib in Makefile.am which now has myapp_LDADD = @DEPENDENCIES_LIBS@ -pthread (pthread is the lib I need) Sep 19 08:34:13 That was odd, earlier I was chatting on my lappy via GPRS then the modem just stopped responding Sep 19 08:59:05 do you get event under /dev/input/event0 when you insert headphone ? Sep 19 09:04:09 good morning Sep 19 09:04:36 Hopscotch: morning Sep 19 09:04:40 evening for me though Sep 19 09:05:30 evening? where is it evening? Sep 19 09:05:45 aussieland? Sep 19 09:05:45 not quite morning here, either Sep 19 09:06:34 Hopscotch and ieatlint: my schedule is about 12 hours off what it should be, I work nights so I get off work at midnight Sep 19 09:06:39 i'm in PST Sep 19 09:06:55 lucky Sep 19 09:06:58 i'm still in PDT Sep 19 09:07:02 damned daylight savings Sep 19 09:07:19 I forget to differentiate between daylight savings Sep 19 09:07:27 so I guess it would be PDT Sep 19 09:07:30 i'm just screwing with you :P Sep 19 09:07:39 but yeah, until october, pdt Sep 19 09:07:44 righto Sep 19 09:08:00 I just call it America/Los_Angeles when I'm working on my PC lol Sep 19 09:08:18 yeah, for you to be on cox, you have to be in socal Sep 19 09:08:31 Vegas Sep 19 09:08:43 ah Sep 19 09:09:08 comcast hasn't gotten to you there yet either... cherish the time you have left Sep 19 09:09:18 Ih8comcrap Sep 19 09:09:40 I had them when I lived in UT Sep 19 09:10:01 they sucked so bad Sep 19 09:10:31 yeah, you get tired of commercials that advertise their cable internet as being faster than dsl -- with the small print saying their higher tier compared to dsl's lowest Sep 19 09:11:02 ieatlint: no kidding, also I refuse to believe that I just happend to have 3 bad routers in the course of 6 months Sep 19 09:11:08 I finally ditched them for Xmission Sep 19 09:11:13 or how their tv server has more hd channels than satellite, even though satellite has about 180 compared to their 80... they just count every "ondemand" program they have in hd as a "channel" Sep 19 09:11:32 err, service, not server :P Sep 19 09:11:54 even though it was only 1.5M down at least XMission DSL worked Sep 19 09:12:12 yeah, i have att dsl, 3mbit, but no comcast :) Sep 19 09:12:34 ieatlint: nice Sep 19 09:12:40 although for an extra $40, i could get 15mbit comcast... but. i hate them that much Sep 19 09:12:53 I wouldn't go back to them either Sep 19 09:13:09 I would use my phone's GPRS connection before going to comcast Sep 19 09:13:17 and my phone is only about dial-up speeds Sep 19 09:13:21 lol... i wouldn't go that far Sep 19 09:13:51 i'm just hoping att brings u-verse to my neighbourhood soon... all the surrounding neighbourhoods already have it Sep 19 09:14:06 I would, they treated me like crap, especially since they were the only guy in town for about 2 years before quest finally brought DSL to our neighborhood Sep 19 09:14:31 gives you tv, phone and internet over a dsl-like connection... i think they have 12mbit internet in my area now, for about $100 for basic cable tv/internet Sep 19 09:14:37 they were going to build municipal fiber but I moved before it was in my neighborhood Sep 19 09:15:12 cable used to rule too... comcast just killed it Sep 19 09:15:23 exactly Sep 19 09:15:51 actually my GPRS was cool today, chatting in here via my laptop over the GPRS while my friend was driving 50mph Sep 19 09:16:12 worked great until PPP stopped talking to the modem Sep 19 09:17:04 i got tci@home back in 1998... lived in a test market... it ruled Sep 19 09:17:20 you got straight 10mbit full duplex Sep 19 09:17:24 I was on dialup until about 01 or 02 Sep 19 09:17:31 10mb full duplex?! that's nuts Sep 19 09:17:53 is that 10 milli-bits??? :) Sep 19 09:17:55 yeah, the restriction was by the cable modem's 10mbit port Sep 19 09:18:27 wow Sep 19 09:18:30 about a year before they died, they finally started limiting the connections Sep 19 09:18:56 that's crazy Sep 19 09:19:00 then att bought TCI (the cable company in the san fran bay area at the time), then att sold to comcast Sep 19 09:19:02 so, I have a brand spanking new Debian install on the FR. Any ideas why the calendar tool isn't operational? Sep 19 09:19:12 the fiber that they were laying in Davis county UT was 15 up/down Sep 19 09:19:14 for $45/mo Sep 19 09:19:23 because the calendar tool is just a button, a to be completed feature Sep 19 09:20:22 i wish they'd lay fibre down the streets here in sf... i'd love to get that kind of connection Sep 19 09:20:30 but no business would see it as profitable Sep 19 09:20:51 ieatlint: thanks. Sep 19 09:22:07 anyone hear of openvpn running on the FR? Sep 19 09:22:21 guess I could just try and see what happens.. :) Sep 19 09:23:13 sgrover: please report, I am interested in doing that ;) Sep 19 09:23:23 sgrover: which distribution are you doing that on? Sep 19 09:23:34 viq: Debian Sep 19 09:24:44 viq: I'm gonna pack it in right away (3:20ish AM here) though. Keep an eye on my blog at http://grover.open2space.com though - that is something I would most definetly record... just so I could recreate my steps 6 months later.. :) Sep 19 09:33:43 so will Debian's base install fit on the 512MB card or do you have to get a larger one? Sep 19 09:34:41 it'll fit Sep 19 09:34:48 uses something like 400mb Sep 19 09:35:14 cool, will have to try it out since I hear so much about it Sep 19 09:36:41 hm Sep 19 09:36:45 i eard about problems Sep 19 09:37:02 about mouse and touchscreen controls beating each other Sep 19 09:37:17 no problems, only undocumented features Sep 19 09:38:46 anyone care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone Sep 19 09:39:18 sure, just give me a min to find the headphones Sep 19 09:41:04 ieatlint: thank you Sep 19 09:41:26 i get a binary response when i insert them Sep 19 09:41:32 you want a bin or hexdump of it? Sep 19 09:41:47 ieatlint: argh , no thanks , are you running om2008 ? Sep 19 09:42:03 no, fso ms3 on this phone right now Sep 19 09:42:09 ieatlint: i get no response , even with daily kernels Sep 19 09:43:16 ieatlint: thank you for your help :) Sep 19 09:43:37 np Sep 19 09:50:43 moin moin Sep 19 09:53:13 did the SMS problem ever get fixed in zhone/FSO? Sep 19 09:56:00 anyone with om2008+ care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone Sep 19 09:59:43 Anyone use SMS on FSO M3/Zhone and does it work? Last I tested it wasn't working Sep 19 10:01:03 it sort of does Sep 19 10:01:19 Tig|: still has the odd sending issues? Sep 19 10:01:23 I would not rely on it full time Sep 19 10:01:38 yeah, it does work but sporadically Sep 19 10:01:49 I guess I'll stick with FDOM for now then Sep 19 10:01:55 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r82287ee6b318 10/conf/distro/include/preferred-om-2008-versions.inc: [qt4-x11-free] Bump up revision of qt4-x11-free from 4.3.3 to 4.4.1 Sep 19 10:01:56 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rdc954ec5a3b4 10/packages/qt4/qt4-x11-free.inc: [qt4-x11-free] Add webkit support Sep 19 10:01:56 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r3baf49e7c810 10/packages/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [sip] Patch came from Erin_Yueh Sep 19 10:01:57 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r16ee68455736 10/packages/python/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [pyqt] Patch came from Erin_Yueh Sep 19 10:01:58 which sucks cause I like zhone's look Sep 19 10:02:00 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * r7a7956b690de 10/packages/python/python-pyqt.inc: [python-pyqt] Change SRC_URI Sep 19 10:02:03 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * re471dd9410e0 10/packages/python/python-sip.inc: [python-sip] Change SRC_URI Sep 19 10:03:31 What wifi-utility are people using for Qtopia? Sep 19 10:05:22 bove, I use tool comming with qtopia Sep 19 10:06:41 dows it suppoert wpa1/2 or wep? Sep 19 10:07:41 I didn't tested, may be, I don't know. Sep 19 10:08:11 mine only says "Connection state: not connected", though it has one WPA and one WEP in range Sep 19 10:11:14 hey does anyone know how can i play with PDU mode in sms in fso3? cause im having an issue reading multilanguage sms and i think that may be related Sep 19 10:12:23 bove, you can configure wpa_supplicant via terminal, I think) Sep 19 10:20:09 it's save to kill X to restart the gui? Sep 19 10:21:46 how to add libcurl to openmoo toolchain Sep 19 10:26:37 would should i set gateway address on my FR? Sep 19 10:27:12 like on windows it is possible to indicate gateway for adapter Sep 19 10:27:44 i mean "how should i set" , not "would should i set" :( Sep 19 10:27:46 how Sep 19 10:28:04 Raigedas: "netstat -rn" to show, "route add default gw IP.Ad.dr.es" to set Sep 19 10:30:49 thanks god, my FR eventually is able to ping to outside world Sep 19 10:31:24 after about half a day trying to achieve this.. Sep 19 10:31:33 thanks very much everybody Sep 19 10:32:34 Raigedas, why didn't you just turn it on in the first place?! Sep 19 10:32:35 ;] Sep 19 10:33:50 hey, I can't get to the repo for NeoTool for some reason Sep 19 10:34:16 TAsn, i am conncting FR to win xp.. and was trying to enable "internet connection sharing" but failed because my network was on the 192.168.0.x subnet Sep 19 10:34:32 now i moved everything to another subnet Sep 19 10:35:00 Raigedas, should have read the wiki ;] Sep 19 10:35:51 http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool Sep 19 10:35:52 TAsn, of course i read.. but did not understand how to make that bridge.. :( Sep 19 10:35:55 does that work for anyone else Sep 19 10:36:16 nope. Sep 19 10:37:04 anyone with om2008+ care to test this ? cat /dev/input/event0 and do insert head phone Sep 19 10:43:49 openmoko: 03marek * r4657 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/: main folder for e17 python bindings created Sep 19 10:44:57 is openmoko.org server down frequently in these days? web page does not open sometimes and i cannot execute "opkg update" at the moment... Sep 19 10:46:14 or am i having problems with my DNS... Sep 19 10:46:15 ? Sep 19 10:52:26 hey mickeyl got a sec for two questions? (one is short, about the other, im not sure) Sep 19 10:52:39 actually 3 if you count an off topic one ;] Sep 19 10:53:29 go ahead Sep 19 10:53:34 thanks. Sep 19 10:53:51 ok debian just installed finally, now to see how well it works Sep 19 10:53:52 well the first, is that for some reason i don't have access to the sms section in the framework specs Sep 19 10:54:09 here: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD Sep 19 10:54:16 do you have any idea why? Sep 19 10:54:48 this spec is not existing Sep 19 10:54:51 and not necessary atm. Sep 19 10:54:58 i c :) Sep 19 10:55:09 just rely on mdbus for exploring then? Sep 19 10:55:16 no, it's not existing Sep 19 10:55:21 not implemented either Sep 19 10:55:26 and not necessary Sep 19 10:55:28 atm. Sep 19 10:55:31 no, i mean in order to know what's there. Sep 19 10:55:35 heh Sep 19 10:55:37 there is nothing there Sep 19 10:55:54 org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS is not alive yet Sep 19 10:55:57 not necessarily in the sms section, framework api in general Sep 19 10:55:59 ah Sep 19 10:56:13 well, all other specs are 95% to 100% implemented by frameworkd Sep 19 10:56:21 mdbus of course tells the whole story Sep 19 10:56:24 but offline specs are nice Sep 19 10:56:39 to send SMS, all you need is in .SIM Sep 19 10:56:39 well for the second question, i read in your blog entry that you implemented pdu sms Sep 19 10:56:46 mickeyl, saw that. Sep 19 10:56:53 yeah, pdu sms is in ms3 activated Sep 19 10:57:02 just no support for UCS2 yet Sep 19 10:57:07 ok Sep 19 10:57:11 that was my next q ;) Sep 19 10:57:14 thanks. Sep 19 10:57:14 hehe Sep 19 10:58:08 ok, now the 3rd question, what technology does the iphone use for touch sensing? and is it possible to get a special stylus to work on that? (wanna know if it's a good idea for the moko as well) Sep 19 10:58:22 where should i change that opkg would connect to downloads.openmoko.org instead of buildhost.openmoko.org ? there is no file /etc/apt/sources.list :( Sep 19 10:58:26 the iphone is using a capacitive touchscreen Sep 19 10:58:31 there are styluses for that Sep 19 10:58:33 but only few Sep 19 10:58:44 since it requires somthing more than just applying pressure Sep 19 10:58:58 Raigedas: look in /etc/ipkg/ Sep 19 10:59:05 thanks Sep 19 10:59:06 and the last question, i looked around with mdbus, and saw a lot of main paths (forgot the name) and they all implement the same methods, why are they splitted? Sep 19 10:59:10 isn't it opkg? Sep 19 10:59:41 mickeyl, all of those for instance: Sep 19 10:59:43 org.freesmartphone.frameworkd Sep 19 10:59:43 org.freesmartphone.odeviced Sep 19 10:59:43 org.freesmartphone.oeventsd Sep 19 10:59:43 org.freesmartphone.ogpsd Sep 19 10:59:50 provide the same api iirc Sep 19 10:59:58 so why they all exist and not just one? Sep 19 11:00:03 that's a bug in dbus Sep 19 11:00:08 cool :) Sep 19 11:00:18 that's all i wanted to know. Sep 19 11:00:18 you want dbus to do virtual hosting? :P Sep 19 11:00:20 since usually a process only aquires one busname Sep 19 11:00:24 i'm going to a software freedom day event, anyone got something i can have printed out? Sep 19 11:00:29 that's not a bug, it's entirely as specified Sep 19 11:00:36 that's why people namespace their object paths too Sep 19 11:00:36 mickeyl, thanks a lot. Sep 19 11:00:42 all i wanted to know. Sep 19 11:00:46 Robot101: heh, yeah Sep 19 11:00:48 if you really want to do multiple object namespaces, make multiple connections Sep 19 11:01:06 do you know when ucs2 will be supported? Sep 19 11:01:14 I don't consider this particularly onerous, it's quite uncommon to merge disparate services into the same process Sep 19 11:01:25 telepathy uses multiple bus names per service quite a lot Sep 19 11:01:55 as a way of making certain exported objects discoverable to others on the bus, and ensuring uniqueness, it registers a bus name for each connection object Sep 19 11:02:11 TAsn: should be there within the next 3 weeks Sep 19 11:02:41 Robot101: sure. scripting languages are an exception though. i don't have the luxury of running 10 python processes on my embedded devicew Sep 19 11:03:17 yes, you could argue whether python has a place on an embedded device :D Sep 19 11:03:34 THE NEGRO BRAIN Sep 19 11:03:34 FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been madeof the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fellwithin the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain.Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd,and others. (23) (27) Sep 19 11:03:34 FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negrobrain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain andnervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrestedat an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27) Sep 19 11:03:37 FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer)of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions arefewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9) Sep 19 11:03:38 anyone installed Qtopia qss2 on the freerunner? Sep 19 11:03:40 FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstractconceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured,and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22) Sep 19 11:03:54 mickeyl: yes, but you can still have one python process make 10 dbus connections though. calling it a bug in dbus is pretty unfair. thats like saying it's a bug in ssh that when you ssh to a server it has the same usernames even though you used a different hostname. :P Sep 19 11:04:09 Robot101: heh, ok, i'll call it 'by design' then Sep 19 11:04:30 mickeyl, why don't use just use different path's instead? Sep 19 11:04:37 it's just how dbus works, thats it. :) the bug is in the python API for fooling you that the bus name is at all relevant when you export an object Sep 19 11:04:53 the current distribution inside each of them looks quite fine. Sep 19 11:05:02 TAsn: different subsystems should have different busnames. Sep 19 11:05:19 the relation of subsystem to process is bound to change Sep 19 11:05:21 THE NEGRO BRAIN Sep 19 11:05:23 FACT #17: Among human races numerous studies have been madeof the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fellwithin the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain.Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd,and others. (23) (27) Sep 19 11:05:26 ok. maybe that makes sense. ;] Sep 19 11:05:27 FACT #18: In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negrobrain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain andnervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrestedat an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement. (22) (27) Sep 19 11:05:31 FACT #19: The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer)of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions arefewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain. (9) Sep 19 11:05:34 FACT #20: The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstractconceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured,and less complex than those of the White brain. (9) (27) (23) (22) Sep 19 11:05:41 * ShellEvil sighs. Sep 19 11:06:03 bye Sep 19 11:06:24 well anyhow i wasted a lot of time yesterday on trying to figure out why i can't get multilang sms ;] Sep 19 11:06:31 it's a good thing to know. Sep 19 11:06:31 wtf? Sep 19 11:06:35 thank you, im off. Sep 19 11:06:36 ;] Sep 19 11:06:36 ucs2 shouldn't be complex to add Sep 19 11:06:43 why would someone come in here to spou racist bullshit? Sep 19 11:06:44 now that pdu is there Sep 19 11:06:53 ieatlint: idiots don't die Sep 19 11:06:56 mickeyl, yeah, i figured that. Sep 19 11:07:10 and #openmoko is one of the biggest channels in freenode Sep 19 11:07:28 heh... i suppose so Sep 19 11:08:46 is there anywhere a howto for setting/correcting source list for opkg? because i replaced "buildhost" with "downloads" but it did not help.. Sep 19 11:11:27 Raigedas, because more have changed except for the prefix Sep 19 11:11:37 something has also changed in the whole path. Sep 19 11:12:00 so what people do? Sep 19 11:12:04 i mean users Sep 19 11:16:25 change it correctly Sep 19 11:17:49 im currently using fso Sep 19 11:18:01 so i don't remember what the correct paths are for gtk 2007 Sep 19 11:18:09 though just go with your browser to Sep 19 11:18:17 downloads.openmoko.com Sep 19 11:18:24 and you will see repos dir Sep 19 11:18:38 and i think you can handle it from here on. Sep 19 11:18:41 gtg, cya. Sep 19 11:26:19 I'm flashing my FreeRunner now Sep 19 11:26:59 dirty perv :o Sep 19 11:27:33 it's really kinky though! Sep 19 11:28:06 * DrRabbit is giving a presentation on OM and the FreeRunner on Saturday Sep 19 11:28:08 pix or it hasnt happened ;P Sep 19 11:28:12 \o/ Sep 19 11:28:27 Now I'm no expert on the project Sep 19 11:28:41 but apparently I'm the most knowledgable in the state of Arizona Sep 19 11:28:57 that i cant comment on :) Sep 19 11:29:10 and I'm the only one who has a FreeRunner who is willing to give a talk. Sep 19 11:29:19 so... good for me? Sep 19 11:29:21 :P Sep 19 11:29:31 I'm just going to go over the basics Sep 19 11:29:32 hehehe Sep 19 11:29:41 get yourselfs a real GSM network :p Sep 19 11:30:07 "Here it is, you can do this with it, it's this buggy, and here's how you flash it. Oh, btw, you can run Debian and Gentoo on it too." Sep 19 11:30:08 "It's a phone. It sometimes work. Depending which distribution you install on it. Depending what it is you're trying to get to work." ;) Sep 19 11:30:21 basically Sep 19 11:30:31 and I'll write a little app to show off Sep 19 11:30:44 "Yeppers, it has Python" Sep 19 11:31:14 I'm really not sure how they coaxed me into it... Sep 19 11:31:30 the chairman of my LUG was like, "so you're gonna do an OM talk, right?" Sep 19 11:31:33 "Should I?" Sep 19 11:31:39 "You will do an OM talk." Sep 19 11:31:44 "I will do an OM talk." Sep 19 11:31:53 he must be a Jedi or something Sep 19 11:32:18 man, rootfs flash takes forever Sep 19 11:32:28 hehehe Sep 19 11:32:50 http://ableconf.com Sep 19 11:32:56 that's where I'm giving the talk Sep 19 11:33:52 "this is the new OM, i am gonna show you how it works as soon as i find my puk code" Sep 19 11:34:22 It'll be weird Sep 19 11:34:32 I may or may not have my parents tape it Sep 19 11:34:39 "at the pin code dialog, you have to change keyboard from letters to numbers" Sep 19 11:35:02 I probably will, but will encrypt the video file with the SHA1 hash of a very obscure song. Sep 19 11:35:17 "all your contacts should be english speaking people with english names, otherwise will be impossible to store their names, due to t9" Sep 19 11:35:29 hehehe Sep 19 11:36:20 well obviously it's not something you give teenage-SMS-addicted-hip-cool-son/daughter/both for Christmas. Sep 19 11:36:56 it's something that you get for that attic troll hacker son of yours who is trying to learn a thing or two about microcontrollers. Sep 19 11:36:59 ACTION  Sep 19 11:38:15 rootfs flash crawls along with the breakneck speed of a turtle OD'ing on cough medicine. Sep 19 11:38:32 dragging a trailer Sep 19 11:38:37 by its teeth Sep 19 11:38:45 uphill Sep 19 11:38:50 icy roads, too Sep 19 11:39:04 lol^^ Sep 19 11:39:18 good comparison xD Sep 19 11:39:37 it's almost to the peak of the hill though Sep 19 11:39:42 then that turtle's in for a ride. Sep 19 11:39:57 you will see when you try to call someone Sep 19 11:39:57 hehe Sep 19 11:39:59 Did I just predict my own experiences with 2008.8? Sep 19 11:40:14 * enriko sticks to qtopia for the moment Sep 19 11:40:15 enriko: good to know. Sep 19 11:40:27 last number sign... Sep 19 11:40:45 er, second to Sep 19 11:41:04 last one! Sep 19 11:41:11 okay cool Sep 19 11:41:15 DrRabbit: I didn't know trailers had teeth ;) Sep 19 11:41:40 i suddenly have an urge to find a turtle and feed it lots of cough syrup Sep 19 11:41:53 viq: they do when you're a turtle tripping on dxm Sep 19 11:42:44 i have $18 in my bank right now... Sep 19 11:42:54 guess i'll use $10 of that to buy minutes Sep 19 11:43:05 hah! booting Sep 19 11:43:06 I get it Sep 19 11:43:18 cuz it has boots Sep 19 11:43:22 hahahaha!!! Sep 19 11:43:31 yeah, and it takes very long... Sep 19 11:43:54 Yeah, first boot takes even longer than the later ones Sep 19 11:43:55 turtle is walking on even ground Sep 19 11:44:01 but not as long as flashing, i think the roid isnt icy this time xD Sep 19 11:44:31 turtle gets distracted at the 59% mark in the road Sep 19 11:44:39 it's probably something shiny Sep 19 11:44:46 he is tripping on dxm,you know Sep 19 11:45:00 he moves along Sep 19 11:45:09 stopping to smell the roses Sep 19 11:45:12 but moving Sep 19 11:45:14 xD Sep 19 11:45:21 and down we go Sep 19 11:45:26 not eating the roses? Sep 19 11:45:28 through a tunnel Sep 19 11:45:35 back to the boots? Sep 19 11:45:41 turtle swinging side to side Sep 19 11:45:45 hehe Sep 19 11:45:49 dxm is really taking its toll Sep 19 11:45:58 :D Sep 19 11:46:08 at the main menu Sep 19 11:46:19 why does the contacts icon look like a penis? Sep 19 11:46:26 or a middle finger Sep 19 11:46:32 hm Sep 19 11:46:40 i think it should be a humanoid Sep 19 11:46:48 but the icons are all very strange Sep 19 11:47:44 the strangest is, you don'T have a terminal pre-installed.... Sep 19 11:48:26 what the hell are those plus signs and asterisk thingies at the bottom? Sep 19 11:48:33 nothing... Sep 19 11:48:55 Build host... barbie? Sep 19 11:48:55 just to irritate the turtle XD Sep 19 11:49:17 barbie is turtles girlfriend Sep 19 11:49:56 how do I make applications quit? Sep 19 11:50:24 klick the arrow on top Sep 19 11:50:29 and then remove Sep 19 11:50:41 the current application then quits Sep 19 11:54:38 hi Sep 19 11:55:09 please what package builds the kernel via MokoMakefile Sep 19 11:55:10 ?? Sep 19 11:55:36 sakkara: kthx Sep 19 11:55:45 now trying to join gmy wireless network Sep 19 11:56:07 do you have wpa? Sep 19 11:56:15 nope Sep 19 11:56:17 unsecured Sep 19 11:56:19 good Sep 19 11:56:30 then you might have a chance Sep 19 11:56:53 Turtle doesn't want to talk to his friends Mr. Linksys Sep 19 11:57:29 Maybe Turtle needs a powernap Sep 19 11:58:04 Meanwhile, i will go on T-Mobile's webshyte and give myself $10 Sep 19 11:58:30 you shold install mofi Sep 19 11:58:39 to get wireless to work Sep 19 11:59:03 so you have usb-networking Sep 19 12:00:47 Busy Sep 19 12:00:55 playing sudoku on the turtle's shell Sep 19 12:01:44 okay what? Sep 19 12:02:41 damnit, forgot my phone number again Sep 19 12:04:32 Call yourself ;P Sep 19 12:04:52 hiya guys Sep 19 12:05:02 i have installed the latest version of FDOM on my freerunner this morning Sep 19 12:05:13 and i am wondering if there are any good repo's that i should add to start loading it up with apps? Sep 19 12:05:18 anyone got any suggestions/recommendations Sep 19 12:05:19 viq: out of minutes. I'll have t-mobile txt it to me Sep 19 12:06:13 doh Sep 19 12:06:16 that's a 6! Sep 19 12:06:29 well, now to test receiving text messages. Sep 19 12:06:57 waiting... Sep 19 12:07:02 waiting... Sep 19 12:07:11 anyone? Sep 19 12:07:29 torpor: I wouldn't know Sep 19 12:08:16 calling support Sep 19 12:08:37 torpor: downloads.freesmartphone.org ? Sep 19 12:08:56 hey, Speakerphone is... audible Sep 19 12:08:56 can i just plug it into FDOM? Sep 19 12:09:31 Hmm.. Not sure Sep 19 12:09:39 It's FSO-feeds.. Sep 19 12:09:57 I made a call Sep 19 12:14:08 I now have 30 minutes Sep 19 12:16:50 hello folks! Sep 19 12:18:24 how do I uninstall the default keyboard of Om2008.8? I have installed matchbox-keyboard, but cannot kill anything visible i.e. comand ps ax | grep -E "multitap|qtopia|illume|keyboard" yields nothing keyboardable :/ Sep 19 12:18:52 the SMS app is pretty weird Sep 19 12:19:00 Turtle speaks in strange tongues Sep 19 12:20:01 sledgeas, look for Sep 19 12:20:04 keyboard debate Sep 19 12:20:07 sledgeas: in /etc/X11/Xsession/89qtopia Sep 19 12:20:08 in the wiki Sep 19 12:20:19 add QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 Sep 19 12:20:35 thanks, sakkara :) Sep 19 12:20:35 exactly. Sep 19 12:20:43 (also exactly as written in the wiki) Sep 19 12:20:44 ;] Sep 19 12:20:51 and then restart X Sep 19 12:21:47 TAsn: this is where I have looked, but i went immediately into http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards at the "How to install the matchbox keyboard ? " section and did not come back to read on :) Sep 19 12:22:05 sledgeas, that's just fine Sep 19 12:22:23 :) should the sections be swapped :)) Sep 19 12:22:24 i often shout at myself "RTFM" since i also sin. Sep 19 12:22:33 xD Sep 19 12:22:35 :D Sep 19 12:23:02 ;] Sep 19 12:23:09 the illume keyboard is very nice, like it much Sep 19 12:23:20 the qtopia one is horrible... Sep 19 12:24:15 illume rocks. Sep 19 12:24:22 one thing should be changed though. Sep 19 12:24:26 actually 2 Sep 19 12:24:35 one, you should be able to change it's size. Sep 19 12:24:43 i find it too big and i want to make it smaller. Sep 19 12:24:43 I'm actually able to type sms with a finger after teaching a few words to illume kbd. Couldn't get much better =P Sep 19 12:24:58 illume url? Sep 19 12:25:04 Rakshasa, teaching it? Sep 19 12:25:27 Yeah. It learns the words that aren't in the dictionary. Sep 19 12:25:47 second thing that should be changed, is that in the predictive mode, the middle prediction should be what i type, and in the sides, what it thought i typed! Sep 19 12:25:55 Rakshasa, what? how? Sep 19 12:26:02 oh Sep 19 12:26:04 hm Sep 19 12:26:11 when you type a word that isn't there and choose it? Sep 19 12:26:13 anyone tried to update asu testing recently? Sep 19 12:27:09 TAsn: Yes, And it saves them in /root/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic Sep 19 12:27:20 cool. Sep 19 12:27:22 :( Sep 19 12:27:26 okay, so yeah Sep 19 12:27:28 fsck! Sep 19 12:27:37 the Messages app is impossible to use. Sep 19 12:27:42 hehe yeah. Sep 19 12:27:48 fso, right? Sep 19 12:27:53 though it's just a demo... Sep 19 12:28:43 the 2008.8 thing Sep 19 12:29:07 how can I enter a phone number using only a-z? Sep 19 12:29:31 you cant Sep 19 12:29:41 you have to switch to the numbers Sep 19 12:29:58 just "scroll" at the sid of the keyboard Sep 19 12:30:42 doh :P Sep 19 12:30:45 and you should install the illume keyboard, its much better Sep 19 12:31:06 looks like it doesn't work to copy(select) text in minimo and paste it into the terminal.. Sep 19 12:32:33 is it somehow possible to change midoris foont size Sep 19 12:32:34 ? Sep 19 12:33:45 sledgeas, really? haven't tried though i think it does work. Sep 19 12:33:55 i thought so too :) Sep 19 12:34:03 now i have problems in turning off that qtopia keyboard lol Sep 19 12:34:10 got no usb around at work &) Sep 19 12:34:25 sledgeas, how is that even possible? Sep 19 12:34:32 dfu uploads data from my FR at about 0.9 MB per minute speed. is this normal? Sep 19 12:34:43 TAsn: which part? :) Sep 19 12:34:55 sledgeas, that you aint got a usb lying around!@ Sep 19 12:35:07 :D i got actually Sep 19 12:35:14 it's that i got no root account on my work pc Sep 19 12:35:20 Raigedas, my phone to computer transfer rate is 300kbps tops. Sep 19 12:35:32 sledgeas, i c. so you can't up the interface? Sep 19 12:35:38 nor you can load usbnet modules? Sep 19 12:35:40 no go Sep 19 12:35:51 i c . ;] Sep 19 12:35:53 not even flashing, dfu gets no access to interface Sep 19 12:35:57 %) Sep 19 12:36:04 what about wifi? Sep 19 12:36:07 got that at work? Sep 19 12:36:12 im using it Sep 19 12:36:14 i can browse Sep 19 12:36:23 that's why im trying to copy paste from minimo Sep 19 12:36:25 sledgeas, then ssh. Sep 19 12:36:31 nope Sep 19 12:36:31 through wifi Sep 19 12:36:34 different subnets Sep 19 12:36:34 ? Sep 19 12:36:35 :D Sep 19 12:36:40 no rounting Sep 19 12:36:46 *routing Sep 19 12:36:51 sledgeas, one last thing you can do Sep 19 12:36:57 egg your it guy Sep 19 12:36:58 ;[ Sep 19 12:37:06 :D Sep 19 12:37:22 or just get home and having hoped copy paste in FR was unified.. Sep 19 12:37:34 i think it is Sep 19 12:37:35 being deluse Sep 19 12:37:37 d Sep 19 12:37:43 sec i will check it there. Sep 19 12:37:46 can't be. Sep 19 12:37:47 well, it appears you are wrong Sep 19 12:37:52 I can't send or receive text Sep 19 12:38:04 i know, but it doesnt work between minimo<->terminal Sep 19 12:38:23 sec, im checking Sep 19 12:38:29 you better be right Sep 19 12:38:43 :D Sep 19 12:38:44 if not, you are wasting my precious doung nothing time! Sep 19 12:39:04 i tried lol if it works for you means that my om2008 is borked all over Sep 19 12:39:05 :) Sep 19 12:39:45 hey, it works, if i copy paste from the address bar!!! Sep 19 12:39:48 dang :D Sep 19 12:39:59 but not from gecko output (ie webpage content) Sep 19 12:40:13 ;] Sep 19 12:40:13 ah, no, sorry, it doesnt it was another cclipboards Sep 19 12:40:46 well, i stay at my side, -- doesn't work inter-application select-mouse/middle-button copy/paste Sep 19 12:40:48 yeah Sep 19 12:40:50 same here. Sep 19 12:41:00 it might be true, because i have hard time copy pasting skype<->gtk apps Sep 19 12:41:01 e.g. Sep 19 12:41:01 not mark past Sep 19 12:41:05 and not even ctrl c. Sep 19 12:41:09 wow Sep 19 12:41:16 isn't minimo gtk? Sep 19 12:41:24 is terminal gtk? :) Sep 19 12:41:32 it still is qtopia port Sep 19 12:41:38 something not ported enough Sep 19 12:41:42 oh Sep 19 12:41:49 i was talking about openmoko-terminal Sep 19 12:41:53 me too Sep 19 12:42:13 i think it is gtj Sep 19 12:42:14 but still probably something is underdeveloped Sep 19 12:42:14 gtk Sep 19 12:42:21 im not sure Sep 19 12:42:25 it's X after all... Sep 19 12:42:54 yea, but on my laptop i sometimes have hard times mark pasting around between qt-gtk-got-knows-what apps here and there.. Sep 19 12:43:03 so, no surprises in FR's case Sep 19 12:43:23 i use only gtk apps on my pc Sep 19 12:43:32 so i don't know nothing about those problems ;] Sep 19 12:44:39 :) i try not to know, but skype comes into way :D Sep 19 12:47:18 what the hell? Sep 19 12:47:37 I send a text message to my other phone Sep 19 12:47:51 DrRabbit, that is kinda weird Sep 19 12:47:51 my other phone doesn't receive it until i turn the FreeRunner off Sep 19 12:47:56 why do you text yourself? Sep 19 12:47:56 ;] Sep 19 12:48:11 TAsn: I'm very lonely :P Sep 19 12:48:15 DrRabbit, that is weird. Sep 19 12:48:28 DrRabbit, j/k i smsed myself a lot yesterday's night. Sep 19 12:48:36 maybe it's a first boot thing Sep 19 12:48:50 till mickeyl enlightened me today saying ucs2 isn't supported yet ;] Sep 19 12:52:32 is there a faster way to put new distribution on SD card, instead of waiting for dfu for ages? Sep 19 12:53:42 Hello, i just finished charging my neo freerunner and now i need some help Sep 19 12:53:56 i was thinking id install the qtopia-distro Sep 19 12:53:56 in theory you could increase the speed... but it probably wouldn't be worth it Sep 19 12:54:09 the wiki has instructions Sep 19 12:54:17 look for info about dual-booting Sep 19 12:54:19 but the wikipages are so hard to follow for me Sep 19 12:54:44 sorry, that wasn't for you yabo Sep 19 12:55:07 anyway, could someone perhaps help me through it? Sep 19 12:55:58 Raigedas, You can connect SD card to your computer, and just use as a usb-card. Flushing will become more fast. Sep 19 12:56:03 yabo, the quick start page, as referenced in the topic, should be a good start Sep 19 12:56:47 alright, thank you; ieatlint Sep 19 12:57:58 max_posedon, i thought about that.. but what about bootloader? will uboot now where and what to load if i just extract files to SD? Sep 19 12:58:38 *will uboot know Sep 19 12:58:43 first of all, you can boot from microsd Sep 19 12:59:13 sigh... you could try searching the wiki for two seconds... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card Sep 19 13:01:04 okay, now texting works fine Sep 19 13:01:13 so does calling Sep 19 13:01:52 Raigedas, also you can flash nand from uboot, loading images from microsd Sep 19 13:02:08 Wifi got worse Sep 19 13:02:16 it doesn't even list networks anymore Sep 19 13:02:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader/ru#.D0.97.D0.B0.D0.BF.D0.B8.D1.81.D1.8C_.D1.8F.D0.B4.D1.80.D0.B0_.D0.B2_NAND Sep 19 13:02:30 for some reason it described, only on russian wiki. Sep 19 13:02:32 DrRabbit: did you install mofi? Sep 19 13:02:38 no Sep 19 13:02:47 do so^^ Sep 19 13:02:48 probly should, eh? Sep 19 13:03:21 yeah, the installed wifi tool never worked for me, mofi does quite well Sep 19 13:04:51 it definitely feels like a more finished product Sep 19 13:09:30 anyone got pidgin installed in om2008.08? Sep 19 13:09:53 with opkg install pidgin i only get "An error ocurred, return value: 2." Sep 19 13:09:57 i have, installed with fdom image. Sep 19 13:11:34 sakkara: error number 2 usually means it can't find the package Sep 19 13:11:55 I have installed it before under 2008 and FSO Sep 19 13:12:34 but why can't it find the package =( Sep 19 13:13:06 i can install other apps, so my connection is not the problem Sep 19 13:13:23 or did they removed the package? Sep 19 13:14:01 time to install mofi Sep 19 13:18:23 sakkara: where do I find mofi? Sep 19 13:23:16 DrRabbit: if it is not in the repository then it is here: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mofi/ Sep 19 13:24:02 hmm Sep 19 13:24:24 every time i take a look at a gforge instance that toy looks more pathetic Sep 19 13:25:21 Tig|: oic Sep 19 13:25:51 DrRabbit: did you already managed usb-networking? Sep 19 13:26:36 yeppers Sep 19 13:27:44 just wget'd http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/304/mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk on the handset Sep 19 13:27:51 wgot? Sep 19 13:29:09 wget isn't a verb :P Sep 19 13:29:28 you just got/downloaded that url with wget Sep 19 13:30:06 wgotten? ;) Sep 19 13:30:22 you eat lint! Sep 19 13:30:58 that would required him to have said "i have just wgotten" ... the "perfect present" Sep 19 13:31:43 uuuuhhhhh Sep 19 13:31:44 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk Sep 19 13:31:44 Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock Sep 19 13:31:45 root@om-gta02:~# Sep 19 13:32:06 i like collecting errors myself Sep 19 13:32:22 what the hell... Sep 19 13:32:28 oh, nevermind :P Sep 19 13:32:36 i mean, that error Sep 19 13:32:55 how do I obtain the administrative lock? Sep 19 13:32:56 it means that there is another packagemanagement app running Sep 19 13:33:05 close the installer Sep 19 13:33:09 I did Sep 19 13:33:10 DrRabbit: pkill packagekitd Sep 19 13:33:14 you may need to kill a process Sep 19 13:33:22 that is the one :) Sep 19 13:33:51 viq's command didn't work, but I'll ps aux around, see what happens Sep 19 13:35:09 uuuuhhhh... Sep 19 13:35:16 hm Sep 19 13:35:32 no package management app is running Sep 19 13:35:52 can you pastebin a ps aux listing? Sep 19 13:36:52 sure Sep 19 13:37:34 http://pastebin.ca/1205846 Sep 19 13:37:52 Does anyone know if the default fso m3 keyboard is rasters? Sep 19 13:38:06 what do you say about choosing an fs which is good and won't kill my flash card? Sep 19 13:38:08 what fs to use? Sep 19 13:38:11 after using it for a wek, i finally found out how to backspace ;-) Sep 19 13:38:56 toggles_w: how? Sep 19 13:39:15 TAsn: ext3? Sep 19 13:39:17 toggles_w, i think it is. Sep 19 13:39:24 Tig|: did you get that? Sep 19 13:39:25 sakkara, won't that kill my mem card? Sep 19 13:39:26 drag right to left across the keyboard Sep 19 13:39:34 oic Sep 19 13:39:37 DrRabbit: yep Sep 19 13:39:40 TAsn: why should it? Sep 19 13:40:11 toggles_w: read the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Keyboard (it will give you less headaches) Sep 19 13:40:22 i dunno there are flash oriented fs that distribute the writes to all sections and making sure no section is being written to too much Sep 19 13:40:38 your SD card does that anyway Sep 19 13:40:50 DrRabbit: hmmm and it still moaning about an admin lock? Sep 19 13:40:54 my sd is ext3, working well... Sep 19 13:40:55 yeppers Sep 19 13:40:58 flash file systems are for internal flash Sep 19 13:40:59 TAsn: thanks Sep 19 13:41:14 unrelated pid 1374 looks interesting :) Sep 19 13:41:19 dolf1074: yeah, thats where i found out how to backspace, you know real men don't read the instructions ;-) Sep 19 13:41:33 perhaps there is a pid file hanging about somewhere Sep 19 13:42:01 yeah, but if you're using things that aren't finished/consumer ready, it's better to read the manual Sep 19 13:42:03 look in /usr/lib/opkg for a lock files Sep 19 13:42:09 Tig|: yeah... Sep 19 13:42:12 hmm... Sep 19 13:42:21 rwhitby: k Sep 19 13:42:25 that's why linux guru's always say rtfm (read the fucking manual) Sep 19 13:43:00 it's "read the friendly manual" Sep 19 13:43:04 :P Sep 19 13:43:05 there is a file in /usr/lib/opkg called "lock" Sep 19 13:43:08 it contains nothing Sep 19 13:43:12 sevenhundred: hehe Sep 19 13:43:12 should I just rm it? Sep 19 13:43:17 yep Sep 19 13:43:37 it's sometimes 'read the fine manual' Sep 19 13:43:38 sevenhundred: that's what they want you believe. (but in there head they saying f*** :p) Sep 19 13:43:41 removed file, didn't work. Sep 19 13:43:48 still complaining about the lock Sep 19 13:45:26 dolf1074: nah, it's the other way around. They want you to believe it's "fucking", but on the inside most linux hackers just want to be friends =) Sep 19 13:45:53 nice philosophy Sep 19 13:47:54 I'm going to try to install some software via the installer thing Sep 19 13:48:04 and see if that will do some sort of magic to clear things out Sep 19 13:48:30 install the terminal =) Sep 19 13:48:32 didn't work Sep 19 13:48:39 I installed minsweeper Sep 19 13:48:47 Oh, sorry Sep 19 13:48:48 hm Sep 19 13:48:49 Mine Hunt Sep 19 13:50:10 huh Sep 19 13:50:16 Well I'm going to take a shower. Sep 19 13:50:31 I'm also going to try rebooting my phone Sep 19 13:50:53 how do i convert mp3's/ogg to sid files? Sep 19 13:55:28 rebooting did NOT work Sep 19 13:56:33 what didn't work? rebooting or the opkg prob? Sep 19 13:58:33 Hi, does anybody have ReMoko working on debian? It errors out with a BlueZ dbus error. The wiki page says that some BlueZ versions on debian need a patch and that I should refer to readme.debian but I can't find it in the remoko package Sep 19 14:00:34 Hello All, Don't think my SD card is recognised by the FR. Is there anything I can do? Sep 19 14:06:13 Arigead: What uSD card do you have? Sep 19 14:07:54 retracile: the one that came with the FR it's a 512MB Sandisk from memory. It's in now Sep 19 14:08:18 Ie it's in my FR so I can't see it sure it's a san disk though Sep 19 14:08:36 Arigead: Ok; the one that came with it should certainly work. Sep 19 14:09:06 Arigead: does it show up in /proc/partitions? Sep 19 14:10:55 retracile: maybe I should say I'm running FDOM. Don't know if that's relevant but I have no /proc/partitions Sep 19 14:11:13 Arigead: FDOM? Sep 19 14:11:40 oh... it's yet another distro... Sep 19 14:11:51 Arigead, it's 512 by transcend Sep 19 14:12:07 Arigead, Crazy, I run FDOM too, and I have /proc/partiions Sep 19 14:12:11 retracile sorry I do have partitions made a mistake Sep 19 14:13:10 Arigead: do you see mmcblk-type entries there? Sep 19 14:13:38 retracile: no only mtdblock entries Sep 19 14:14:23 Arigead: was it inserted when you booted? Sep 19 14:15:01 lol ithought without battery you can't boot? Sep 19 14:15:14 Yes it was in there just checked it on a Laptop. It's a FAT and I could write to it on the Laptop. Sep 19 14:15:39 sakkara, Yes, easy, with usb connected to laptop) Sep 19 14:16:32 rly? i read to never uncharge the bat max, because it can only charge if booted, and can't boot without Sep 19 14:16:33 retracile: maybe I'll shut it down and try again but I though SanDisk always worked. Maybe my card reader is not what it should be? Sep 19 14:16:43 Arigead: Then I'm not sure what's going wrong. Make sure it's inserted correctly. Sep 19 14:17:18 sakkara: boot with the battery inserted; plugin via usb, remove battery -> it's running without the battery. Sep 19 14:17:44 retracile: I'll check thanks for your help. I'm nearly finished up here so I'll do it at home later ;-) Sep 19 14:17:56 Arigead: good luck Sep 19 14:18:21 ah, thats the way^^ Sep 19 14:22:35 hi all Sep 19 14:25:58 hello,there is SIP(from command line) that works on the freerunner...but i need another phone to talk to...i've an aladino ethernet sip phone but it seems that it only works with the alice internet provider Sep 19 14:26:53 so is there another phone that runs GNU/linux that is cheap and that is capable of openvpn/openssh and that can do voip...or should i try to unblock the aladino phone... Sep 19 14:27:17 as phone i mean not like the freerunner but like skype phones that are wifi or ethernet... Sep 19 14:27:41 o hai Sep 19 14:27:44 back from shower Sep 19 14:29:41 still saying things about Adminstrative lock Sep 19 14:31:49 or where should i ask...there is no embedded channel... Sep 19 14:32:10 I'm running 2008.8 on my FR and whenever I dial a number that says "Press # for blah blah" it doesn't work.. Sep 19 14:32:29 yeah, known issue Sep 19 14:32:32 Real hackers can whistle DTMF. Sep 19 14:32:35 like I open the keypad and hit the key but the number doesn't seem to recognize it >.> Sep 19 14:32:36 DrRabbit: pkill packagekitd Sep 19 14:32:56 hey, wait a minute Sep 19 14:33:07 this problem is being biased Sep 19 14:33:12 I did that, gromez Sep 19 14:33:31 and I just found out that I can run most opkg commands Sep 19 14:33:38 but I can't install this local package Sep 19 14:33:57 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk Sep 19 14:33:57 Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock Sep 19 14:33:58 root@om-gta02:~# Sep 19 14:34:05 I can do opkg update just fine though Sep 19 14:34:13 ps aux | grep packagekitd Sep 19 14:34:14 DrRabbit: pkill packagekit Sep 19 14:34:37 DrRabbit: or you have another opkg running Sep 19 14:34:53 did you see what I said though? Sep 19 14:35:29 gromez: the grep thing only returns itself Sep 19 14:38:30 see, look: Sep 19 14:38:37 root@om-gta02:~# killall packagekitd Sep 19 14:38:37 killall: packagekitd: no process killed Sep 19 14:38:37 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk Sep 19 14:38:37 Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock Sep 19 14:38:37 root@om-gta02:~# Sep 19 14:38:42 flinx is it fso? Sep 19 14:38:59 DrRabbit: pkill packagekit Sep 19 14:39:11 DrRabbit: could you pastebin your ps aux ? Sep 19 14:39:22 dolf1074: same result Sep 19 14:39:27 gromez: okay Sep 19 14:39:45 slaxxin: I'm using the 2008.8 Sep 19 14:39:59 slaxxin: so... if I recall it has FSO stuff in it right? Sep 19 14:40:13 no Sep 19 14:40:16 gromez: http://pastebin.ca/1205874 Sep 19 14:40:34 Flinx: the only image to have FSO stuff in at the moment is FSO Sep 19 14:40:48 I am excluding SHR here as it has not been released :) Sep 19 14:41:04 Of course it has! It has it in the name! Sep 19 14:41:05 :) Sep 19 14:41:36 Tig|: ahh I wasn't sure ;) Sep 19 14:41:52 are u upgraded or a certain image? Sep 19 14:41:53 I know that FSO is supposed to be part of other things in the future... >.> Sep 19 14:42:00 Tig|, i think debian also uses fso Sep 19 14:42:03 Flinx: long term the idea is to move over to using the Framework in the future Sep 19 14:42:08 Flinx, fso is just a framework Sep 19 14:42:15 Tig|: right I know that Sep 19 14:42:30 TAsn: ah yes it does, sorry not played with Debian on the FR yet Sep 19 14:42:35 Tig|: it's prolly SHL that I was thinking of. Sep 19 14:42:58 ARE U FULLY upgraded or not? Sep 19 14:43:00 ... SHR Sep 19 14:43:03 SHR is supposed to be the apps from 2007.2 on the FSO backend Sep 19 14:43:22 slaxxin: explain fully upgraded? cause the last time I did patches was a month ago Sep 19 14:43:35 but a month ago everything was up to date ;) Sep 19 14:44:16 DrRabbit: hum strange, nothing seems to lock opkg Sep 19 14:44:21 ok so u have an08172008 Sep 19 14:44:28 yep Sep 19 14:44:44 gromez: is there a way I can manually unlock it? Sep 19 14:45:14 slaxxin: lemme check Sep 19 14:45:19 DrRabbit: no idea Sep 19 14:45:25 try find / -name "*lock*" Sep 19 14:45:37 but its prolly close Sep 19 14:46:42 are u saying u cant imput Numbers after hooking up a call? Sep 19 14:46:58 Tig|, does that include the whole image or does shr use illume? Sep 19 14:47:20 because illumeis a lot better than gtk crap. Sep 19 14:47:52 TAsn: the FSO image uses Illume, no idea what SHR is going to use Sep 19 14:48:34 I like Illume Sep 19 14:49:29 gromez: a few hits in /usr/lib/opkg Sep 19 14:49:45 namely Sep 19 14:49:46 /usr/lib/opkg/lock Sep 19 14:50:03 Flinx, same here. Sep 19 14:50:07 cat /etc/version or cat /etc/om-version Sep 19 14:50:31 slaxxin: me? Sep 19 14:50:34 yes slaxxin Sep 19 14:50:43 no flinx Sep 19 14:51:07 DrRabbit: mv /usr/lib/opkg/lock /usr/lib/opkg/lock.old Sep 19 14:51:19 or rm /usr/lib/opkg/lock Sep 19 14:51:27 flinx i think since it s a developers phone u need to use it as such AN UPGRADE Sep 19 14:52:07 gromez: Sep 19 14:52:08 slaxxin: actually I was telling you that I cannot input numbers after I dial Sep 19 14:52:09 root@om-gta02:~# rm /usr/lib/opkg/lock Sep 19 14:52:09 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install -o mofi_0.02_armv4t.ipk Sep 19 14:52:09 Collected errors: * Could not obtain administrative lock Sep 19 14:52:12 yea an if it borks report it here then flase it Sep 19 14:52:32 slaxxin: and I know its a dev phone which is why I don't use it for everyday things :p Sep 19 14:52:58 do u have a big green Vheck mark on your keypad? Sep 19 14:53:00 or Sep 19 14:53:04 not? Sep 19 14:53:31 one sec Sep 19 14:53:39 because i failed to use the check mark at first Sep 19 14:53:43 DrRabbit: what is the -o for ? Sep 19 14:53:51 *waits for the phone to reboot* Sep 19 14:54:02 DrRabbit: i didn't have my FR, what means the -o option ? Sep 19 14:54:02 u know hit 7 then hit the check mark Sep 19 14:54:36 sorry Sep 19 14:54:39 uh Sep 19 14:54:43 -o is offline Sep 19 14:54:49 I'm installing an offline package Sep 19 14:54:49 but if its 2008.8 it shouldnt have a big green check mark--isnt that correct? Sep 19 14:55:22 DrRabbit: did you try without ? Sep 19 14:55:23 DrRabbit: I have never bothered with that Sep 19 14:55:50 DrRabbit: I wonder if it has a dependency that is only available online Sep 19 14:55:52 Slaxxin yes Sep 19 14:56:12 opkg is not very "helpful" with its error messages Sep 19 14:56:13 what? Sep 19 14:56:15 double checking tho Sep 19 14:56:18 Tig|: it must... Sep 19 14:56:20 it's working now Sep 19 14:56:28 wahoo! Sep 19 14:56:38 installing dependencies Sep 19 14:56:40 slaxxin: I do not see a big green check mark Sep 19 14:56:43 glade, pickle, etc Sep 19 14:57:11 DrRabbit: a classic opkg "helpful" error message then :) Sep 19 14:57:42 uh... greate... Sep 19 14:57:46 great Sep 19 14:57:49 now it's not working Sep 19 14:57:54 not starting up properly Sep 19 14:57:58 what isn't ? Sep 19 14:58:14 I get an E17-styled error message when I try to run the thing I just installed Sep 19 14:58:22 bugger Sep 19 14:58:37 "Wifi Mofi stopped running unexpectedly. There was no error message" Sep 19 14:58:49 Sep 19 14:58:53 ah I think you need to make a wpa_supplicant.conf first Sep 19 14:58:59 DrRabbit: there's a bug (check the wiki page) Sep 19 14:59:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mofi#If_Mofi_crahes Sep 19 15:00:12 nice... Sep 19 15:00:18 okay I'll try that Sep 19 15:01:37 yep, that makes all the difference. Sep 19 15:04:58 hi Sep 19 15:05:19 hrm.. I brb Sep 19 15:10:01 hmmm... Sep 19 15:16:34 hello, is it normal that my freerunner shuts down itself? Sep 19 15:16:50 Gnutoo, does it sound normal? Sep 19 15:17:06 TAsn, could be a feature in qtopia? Sep 19 15:17:21 oh, you mean getting suspended? Sep 19 15:17:32 try clicking a short click on the power button. Sep 19 15:17:46 does it come back? Sep 19 15:17:51 no realy shut down...when i press power it does a full boot Sep 19 15:17:59 no idea. Sep 19 15:18:12 though it does *NOT* sound normal. Sep 19 15:20:26 ok what should i do then...i was doing a logread -f > file when it shut down...i have the logs but nothing strange in it Sep 19 15:20:41 it ends with Sep 19 17:13:29 om-gta02 auth.err sshd[1768]: error: setlogin failed: Function not implemented Sep 19 15:22:26 i just shaked it and the it didn't shut down so mabe it's not the battery that is not well connected Sep 19 15:22:37 i'll remove the usb connector to see the battery level Sep 19 15:23:29 battery is 2/4 Sep 19 15:24:04 Hey all, where are my contacts stored on the phone? I'm on qtopia. Sep 19 15:25:52 hello, i am having some trouble with flashing the freerunner Sep 19 15:25:58 yabo: try ~/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite Sep 19 15:26:04 er, shanka Sep 19 15:26:08 sorry ;) Sep 19 15:26:11 i dont quite understand the wiki Sep 19 15:26:36 oh wai Sep 19 15:26:37 t Sep 19 15:26:50 yabo: what operating system are you running? Sep 19 15:27:03 mirc, and kubuntu on vmware atm Sep 19 15:27:10 using kubuntu to connect to the freerunner Sep 19 15:27:24 windows*** not mirc Sep 19 15:27:40 but i think i got it now Sep 19 15:27:49 forgot about step 2 Sep 19 15:27:55 ok :) Sep 19 15:28:00 # Connect your Neo to the GNU/Linux or Windows host via a USB cable. Sep 19 15:28:11 that means ssh freerunner-ip Sep 19 15:28:13 right? Sep 19 15:28:20 with the cable connected Sep 19 15:28:30 no Sep 19 15:28:36 ssh to desktop-pc? Sep 19 15:28:37 just plug the neo into the pc with the cable supplied Sep 19 15:28:44 from freerunner? Sep 19 15:28:45 you don't need to ssh Sep 19 15:28:47 oh Sep 19 15:28:49 just plug them in Sep 19 15:28:49 just plug in? Sep 19 15:28:51 oh ok Sep 19 15:28:51 yes Sep 19 15:28:57 then Sep 19 15:28:59 on my pc Sep 19 15:29:11 i just ./dfu-util params Sep 19 15:29:15 nothing else? Sep 19 15:29:16 then to put your freerunner in to flash mode you need to turn it off Sep 19 15:29:35 yeah and hold the aux-button to get into NOR Sep 19 15:29:35 then hold down the button on the other side of the freerunner and then power it on Sep 19 15:29:41 ya ok Sep 19 15:29:44 yep :) Sep 19 15:29:46 but i dont need to ssh Sep 19 15:29:52 don't need to ssu Sep 19 15:29:53 ssh Sep 19 15:29:56 i just ./dfu-util params Sep 19 15:30:03 but you will need to do it as root Sep 19 15:30:09 and dfu will automatically recognize the device? Sep 19 15:30:16 * bricode realizes his python skills are lacking. Sep 19 15:30:21 so in kbuntu just put sudo before the ./dfu command Sep 19 15:30:39 yeah i know that Sep 19 15:30:44 but do i need to specify a location Sep 19 15:30:51 for dfu to find the phone? Sep 19 15:30:54 nope Sep 19 15:30:57 okidoki thanks Sep 19 15:30:57 not normalls Sep 19 15:31:00 sometimes you might Sep 19 15:31:01 not normally Sep 19 15:31:04 btw Sep 19 15:31:04 -a altsetting : Specify the altsetting of the DFU interface by name or by number Sep 19 15:31:10 what should i enter as altsetting? Sep 19 15:31:14 oh Sep 19 15:31:15 nvm Sep 19 15:31:18 kernel etc Sep 19 15:31:22 silly me :P Sep 19 15:31:23 -a rootfs, -a kernel, -a u-boot Sep 19 15:31:26 thanks for the help! Sep 19 15:31:31 no problem :) Sep 19 15:32:14 * rooly 's gotta go Sep 19 15:32:22 toodle pip rooly Sep 19 15:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r992d7cff845f 10/fsod/ (4 files in 3 dirs): refactor code for requesting DBus names Sep 19 15:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r10158f3274ee 10/fsod/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Sep 19 15:35:04 freesmartphone.org: 1.) Reintroduce Subsystem.Manager abstract class for use by the Sep 19 15:35:04 freesmartphone.org: Subsystems Sep 19 15:35:06 freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add ListOb Sep 19 15:35:08 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r5a369181d445 10/fsod/src/fsod.vala: commit properly Sep 19 15:38:33 how many megabytes will be transfered after uploading default (stock) "rootfs" with dfu? Sep 19 15:38:41 256mb? Sep 19 15:39:15 depends on the size of the image Sep 19 15:39:29 halp Sep 19 15:39:32 in the boot-menu Sep 19 15:39:36 which do i choose to get to NOR? Sep 19 15:40:01 As I understand it, hold down AUX while powering on Sep 19 15:40:18 however, I don't have hardware, so I don't really remember. Sep 19 15:40:18 i can only see Boot, Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2), set console to serial/USB/serial Sep 19 15:40:26 which should i pick? Sep 19 15:40:30 I don't think you can Sep 19 15:40:53 im trying to get to NOR so i can flash it Sep 19 15:41:05 Power off. Sep 19 15:41:12 Power on again with aux held down Sep 19 15:42:25 ah Sep 19 15:42:25 thanks Sep 19 15:42:53 top Sep 19 15:42:58 uups Sep 19 15:43:59 "no USB capable device found" Sep 19 15:44:05 yabo: lsusb Sep 19 15:44:07 dfu capable usb device found* Sep 19 15:45:10 so Sep 19 15:45:20 i stick the cable in Sep 19 15:45:30 power on with the AUX-button held in Sep 19 15:45:33 then what? Sep 19 15:45:52 Are you trying to flash the NOR on a Freerunner? Sep 19 15:45:56 yes Sep 19 15:46:00 im trying to install qtopia Sep 19 15:46:04 yabo: have you read instructions in wiki? Sep 19 15:46:07 yeah Sep 19 15:46:08 that would be NAND Sep 19 15:46:14 not NOR Sep 19 15:46:15 yabo: read again then Sep 19 15:46:30 oooh Sep 19 15:46:33 NOR is unflashable on the Freerunner without a debug board :) Sep 19 15:46:35 ""# Stay in NOR uBoot menu, do not select or enter any item in menu. Now you will be able to flash, make backups of your FreeRunner or query the FreeRunner with dfu-util. "" Sep 19 15:46:40 didnt see that Sep 19 15:46:41 sorry Sep 19 15:46:54 leinir-cabinboy: he is not flashing bootloader Sep 19 15:47:06 (it's that whole unbrickable thing; you can brick it, but you need a debug board to do so ;) ) Sep 19 15:47:09 Yeah :) Sep 19 15:47:21 Sorry: Yarr! ;) Sep 19 15:47:33 to be on the safe side i like to make backup of new device before making changes.. however, i am already waiting for about 4 hours for dfu to complete backup of rootfs.. and i am curious how much more will it take... Sep 19 15:47:52 awww Sep 19 15:48:08 so im on the boot menu Sep 19 15:48:20 "Device still in Runtime Mode!" Sep 19 15:48:31 *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** Sep 19 15:48:55 what am i doing wrong? Sep 19 15:49:22 yabo, i guess you need dfu tool Sep 19 15:49:34 but its my first time too.. Sep 19 15:49:44 so i cannot help much:( Sep 19 15:50:38 sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-gta02-mwester-stable-d6f9fd270943fb22.bin Sep 19 15:50:46 is the command i run on my pc Sep 19 15:50:58 with the usb-cable plugged in Sep 19 15:51:10 and openmoko still on the *** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** Sep 19 15:51:13 what is wrong? Sep 19 15:51:27 yabo: lsusb? Sep 19 15:51:44 how do i use lsusb? Sep 19 15:51:53 what do i do with the file? Sep 19 15:51:53 just lsusb Sep 19 15:51:59 ~man Sep 19 15:52:00 Tem and Tain are the man. Sep 19 15:52:04 k Sep 19 15:52:14 so before i enter sudo ./dfu etc i type lsusb? Sep 19 15:52:16 yabo: just run "lsusb" as root Sep 19 15:52:21 alright Sep 19 15:52:24 sudo lsusb then Sep 19 15:52:24 thanks Sep 19 15:52:46 oh i forgot sorry the openmoko doesn't have man unless your running debian. Sep 19 15:52:49 yabo, "lsusb" lists your usb connections Sep 19 15:53:23 yeah Sep 19 15:53:40 anyone having problems getting FSO milestone 3 to register their SIM? Sep 19 15:53:42 does it shows your device? Sep 19 15:53:51 i dont kno Sep 19 15:53:51 w Sep 19 15:53:58 which is mine Sep 19 15:54:00 there are 4 Sep 19 15:54:09 and i cant identify a phone from the names Sep 19 15:54:20 yabo: try -v Sep 19 15:54:31 yabo, paste output to my private Sep 19 15:54:33 yabo: with "lsusb?" i meant "can you please run the lsusb command and tell us the output using rafb.net/paste" Sep 19 15:54:38 try to find like this : Bus 004 Device 020: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network Sep 19 15:54:50 oh o Sep 19 15:54:51 k Sep 19 15:55:02 yabo: do you need to do something to vmware so it can pass the output raw to the USB port? Sep 19 15:55:12 dont think so Sep 19 15:55:14 i didnt Sep 19 15:55:14 vmware? Sep 19 15:55:18 lsusb: Sep 19 15:55:28 BUs 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Sep 19 15:55:43 Bus 001 Device 009: ID 1d50:5119 Sep 19 15:55:50 is there a way to import contacts in FSO? Sep 19 15:55:57 Buss 001 Device 003: ID 0e0f:0002 Sep 19 15:56:33 bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 Sep 19 15:56:53 yabo: you should just copy&paste the output to http://rafb.net/paste/ Sep 19 15:57:52 http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=562 Sep 19 15:58:35 u use vmware? Sep 19 15:58:41 anyone? import contacts? Sep 19 15:58:43 or a live cd? Sep 19 15:58:59 vmware Sep 19 15:59:11 i could ssh to the phone earlier though Sep 19 15:59:18 so i think vmware recognizes the usb-connection Sep 19 15:59:31 ok Sep 19 15:59:47 break-free: look for 'vcf' in the wiki Sep 19 16:00:00 yabo, what about "./dfu-util --list" Sep 19 16:00:27 blank line, Raigedas Sep 19 16:00:34 got the license-stuff Sep 19 16:00:37 and a blank line Sep 19 16:01:15 sory but.. is your FR still on? Sep 19 16:01:49 maybe it turned off itself Sep 19 16:02:05 as it does after about half a minute Sep 19 16:02:12 viq, thanks Sep 19 16:02:16 its on yeah Sep 19 16:02:22 or it was Sep 19 16:02:47 viq, actually on the import VCF page there is no mention of FSO Sep 19 16:03:33 break-free: that's all I know ;) Sep 19 16:03:39 haha, well thanks Sep 19 16:03:48 looks like it's time to try qtopia :) Sep 19 16:04:05 i have to go Sep 19 16:04:06 yabo, actualy i did not try dfu-util on linux so i do not know if you need aditional drivers or something.. Sep 19 16:04:14 thanks for trying to help, anyway Sep 19 16:04:16 bai Sep 19 16:04:24 bye Sep 19 16:15:25 hey, how do i start gps in fso? Sep 19 16:17:11 is gpsd using gypsy or am i looking for something else? Sep 19 16:17:21 TAsn: it will just work Sep 19 16:17:23 (tm) Sep 19 16:17:38 just running tango? Sep 19 16:17:40 through dbus magic Sep 19 16:17:41 yep Sep 19 16:17:49 or should i at least start gpsd? Sep 19 16:17:54 nope :) Sep 19 16:17:55 Tig|, dbus is magical ;] Sep 19 16:18:59 the technical reason is tangogps says "i can haz gps?" then dbuz goes "invisibl magic, I made you a gps and did not eat it" Sep 19 16:19:05 TAsn: gso-gpsd Sep 19 16:19:21 no magic involved :) Sep 19 16:19:22 Tig|, ;] Sep 19 16:19:52 lindi-, i liked Tig|'s approach better ;] thanks. Sep 19 16:19:53 hmm framework bindings for lolcode? :) Sep 19 16:20:16 Tig|: done where do i submit ? Sep 19 16:20:56 where do you submit what? sorry I am a little lost Sep 19 16:21:18 openmoko: 03trevi55 * r60779566f4af 10/src/libraries/qtopia/qthumbstyle_p.cpp: [style] Reduce the size of the links Sep 19 16:26:52 weird Sep 19 16:27:10 i did cat /dev/ttySAC1 Sep 19 16:27:17 and got data which looked like a fix Sep 19 16:27:30 though tango didn't even got a clock. Sep 19 16:27:59 TAsn: because you grabbed control of ttySAC1 and prevented gpsd from reading it? Sep 19 16:28:19 i don't think so Sep 19 16:28:26 since i did it when tango was up already. Sep 19 16:28:34 it may be so Sep 19 16:28:42 i will try not being a nag for a sec ;] Sep 19 16:30:03 openmoko: 03trevi55 * re2a2eab4509a 10/src/server/phone/dialer/touch/dialer.cpp: [dialer] Have a entry to clear the number Sep 19 16:37:19 still no go. Sep 19 16:37:29 and i don't think cat locks anyway. Sep 19 16:39:31 i have also problems with gpsd under trolltechs qtopia Sep 19 16:40:56 the one liner for gps fixing gives me corrupted unreadable data Sep 19 16:45:07 \o/ Sep 19 16:45:56 malik1972, have you tried qtopia snapshot 4.3.3 Sep 19 16:46:06 oh snaps? Sep 19 16:46:11 is it buggy and sucky? Sep 19 16:46:28 * Dave casts a stern look over to lpotter Sep 19 16:46:32 no, it's actually pretty quick and stable.... so far. But the call speaker volume is REALLY soft Sep 19 16:47:41 trying to figure out how to make it louder... the slider in hte prefs is all the way up Sep 19 16:48:22 break-free: you can use qtmixer as an app Sep 19 16:49:06 transylvania, GUI or terminal? Sep 19 16:49:26 there's alsamixer but no qtmixer Sep 19 16:52:29 how does one save their alsamixer settings? Sep 19 16:53:47 alsaconf -f /some/path/file.stat store Sep 19 16:54:10 er, I don't think it's alsaconf, I think it's the other alsa* - try to tab complete Sep 19 16:54:25 check out /usr/share/scenarios/openmoko Sep 19 16:54:35 and edit those state files Sep 19 16:54:51 break-free: yes, i run 4.3.3 Sep 19 16:55:23 break-free: it should be ...openmoko/scenarios Sep 19 16:55:39 s/alsaconf/alsactl/ Sep 19 16:55:39 wurp2|working meant: er, I don't think it's alsactl, I think it's the other alsa* - try to tab complete Sep 19 16:55:58 dammit, ignore apt. It *is* alsactl. Sep 19 16:58:26 malik1972, can't find the scenarios folder, it's not in my /usr/share Sep 19 16:58:42 wurp2|working: good news ... the IS is worth the money ... all the microbubbles have disappeared and all the flaps are secure Sep 19 16:59:24 you just need to be a patient man when applying it ;p Sep 19 16:59:30 break-free: see above first openmoko then ... Sep 19 17:01:26 my fso-testing is missing libpyglib-2.0.so.0 has anyone a quickfix? opkg upgrade has nothing new Sep 19 17:02:32 malik1972, i'm not sure what you mean Sep 19 17:02:39 sorry for being a pest Sep 19 17:03:33 sicu: Woohoo! Sep 19 17:03:38 Congratulations! Sep 19 17:03:38 break-free: work with the tabulator, so you will see . Sep 19 17:03:49 has anyone got navit working on the FR with routing and speechd ? Sep 19 17:03:56 wurp2|working: thanks =] Sep 19 17:04:17 malik1972, all I want to do is edit those state files Sep 19 17:04:43 break-free: In trolltech qtopia, it's /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/ Sep 19 17:05:11 I recommend using alsamixer to adjust your sound and alsactl store to save it, personally Sep 19 17:05:18 And of course backing up before you change :-) Sep 19 17:05:40 sicu: I had navit working on my 01 with routing. I never tried speechd Sep 19 17:05:48 wurp2|working: I tried that, but after running alsactl store my alsamixer reverts to it's previous state Sep 19 17:05:55 It seemed as if the navit xml format changed slightly with every release. I finally gave up on it. Sep 19 17:06:15 break-free: You're sure you ran alsactl store, not alsactl restore? Sep 19 17:06:31 wurp2|working: Pretty sure, but i'll try again Sep 19 17:06:46 'cause what you describe is expected behavior for restore Sep 19 17:07:10 You might store to a file in your local directory, then you can compare it to the one you want to change and copy it over if you're happy Sep 19 17:07:24 i upgraded fdom 09132008 with opkg upgrade an it took it to 09172008 an all things look good havent used suspend though but for 2 days with no reboot an the sound has not quit Sep 19 17:07:51 fdom runs on fso for gsm, right? Sep 19 17:08:20 no Sep 19 17:08:28 wurp2|working: Ok, so I changed the speaker volume in alsamixer. Then ran "alsactl store". But when I make a call it reverts back Sep 19 17:08:39 i dont think so but im a noob Sep 19 17:09:10 alsa needs some real work Sep 19 17:09:17 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * recaa10250a9b 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (Device.vala helpers.vala): Not all subsystems would have plugins to load Sep 19 17:09:31 break-free: What file did you store the alsa results in? Sep 19 17:09:45 wurp2|working: oki, thanks for the info Sep 19 17:10:03 slaxxin: so you're pleased with fdom then? might have to give it a try Sep 19 17:10:09 'cause when you make a call it does a alsactl restore /path/to/scenario/gsmhandset.state, I think Sep 19 17:10:20 or the equivalent Sep 19 17:10:22 oh, hm Sep 19 17:10:32 i do like it Sep 19 17:10:43 So no matter how you modify in the mixer, if you don't persist it to that file, it won't be used during a call Sep 19 17:10:43 but to each his own Sep 19 17:11:01 I am assuming that qtopia is switching sound over the same way as 2007.2, which may be a bad assumption Sep 19 17:11:27 ahoi Sep 19 17:11:43 arr, matey Sep 19 17:12:15 wurp2|working: so how would i save it to the gsmhandset.state? I tried alsactl store /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state and it says cannot find soundcard Sep 19 17:12:19 am I doing it wrong Sep 19 17:12:40 use the command I gave you earlier with the -f Sep 19 17:13:05 alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state store Sep 19 17:13:26 but first back the file up! Sep 19 17:13:35 yeah, definitely Sep 19 17:14:18 anyone know if python dev w/ qt is supported in qtopia? Sep 19 17:15:33 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r03f02f707772 10/fsod/src/subsystem.vala: Commit properly Sep 19 17:20:29 Nice article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080918-openmoko-ceo-embrace-fragmentation-diversity-is-a-strength.html Sep 19 17:26:26 i'm thinking bout buying a freerunner, now i'm quite good with linux and i don't mind tinkering a little bit, but overall, is it ready for every day use? Sep 19 17:26:51 anshar: yep Sep 19 17:27:03 anshar: .. maybe Sep 19 17:27:13 i also read some reviews saying quite negative things though i'm not sure how accurate they are Sep 19 17:27:13 it's my daily use phone, but I don't like phones very much Sep 19 17:27:23 one states that the bus is rather sluggish, slowing everything down Sep 19 17:27:28 anshar: the different distros differ in the things that go in addition to calling... Sep 19 17:27:35 (problem being i can't actually test one before buying it) Sep 19 17:27:43 DPThought: ah k Sep 19 17:28:08 is there any truth to the slow bus argument? Sep 19 17:28:08 anshar: as usual with such questions, what do you expect of it? Sep 19 17:28:27 i expect it to work "normally", so not having to wait 5 s everytime i press a button (overstatement but you catch my drift :D) Sep 19 17:28:49 like i said, my biggest problem is not being able to test it before i buy it Sep 19 17:29:03 I wouldn't use it as my only phone yet Sep 19 17:29:15 anshar: and what will you be pressing buttons for? :P Sep 19 17:29:18 But it's not far away at all now. Sep 19 17:29:27 CM: hmm currently i don't really do much with my phone except call Sep 19 17:29:36 but i would realllllly need the gps functionality (first reason i'm looking for a new phone) Sep 19 17:29:47 and possibility to sync calendars/contacts/... with my computers Sep 19 17:29:50 What do you expect of GPS? Sep 19 17:29:54 (o and play ogg/mp3/..) Sep 19 17:30:00 viq: well...finding my way :> Sep 19 17:30:07 i am a consultant Sep 19 17:30:11 need to get to customers Sep 19 17:30:15 need a gps badly :p Sep 19 17:30:38 anshar: the freerunner is not a good bet for this Sep 19 17:30:44 Where you are? Yes. How to get somewhere? Supposedly navit is rather CPU-hungry, you'd rather need to have it plugged into power in the car Sep 19 17:30:48 jaj: why's that? Sep 19 17:30:59 viq: the plugged into car is not a problem Sep 19 17:31:12 And play with navit before you get FreeRunner Sep 19 17:31:45 viq: ok will have a look Sep 19 17:32:04 anshar: I think the only free program that can do navigation is navit and even though I never played with it I don't think it can keep up with commercial GPS devices Sep 19 17:32:19 jaj: hmm ok Sep 19 17:32:34 jaj: wine + tomtom thingy? :D Sep 19 17:32:50 an you would need an internet connection to retrieve the maps on the fly Sep 19 17:32:54 wine on arm? good luck! Sep 19 17:33:00 jaj: um... Sep 19 17:33:05 jaj: can i not simply dl all the maps in advance? Sep 19 17:33:08 or attach an external usb hard drive with all the maps on it ;) Sep 19 17:33:19 SD card? :| Sep 19 17:33:46 depends on how many maps you want an what zoom levels Sep 19 17:33:56 well belgium ain't exactly big :| Sep 19 17:33:56 :> Sep 19 17:34:17 anshar: oh entire belgium will be very big :) Sep 19 17:34:24 Supposedly navit maps are more "space efficient" than the "default" OSM ones Sep 19 17:34:27 jaj: how big? :D Sep 19 17:34:30 sd cards are cheap now. And navit maps are rather small because they are vector data. Sep 19 17:34:43 jaj: zoom level doesn't matter for navit. You download raw map files, not pngs Sep 19 17:34:51 viq: I thought navit used OSM maps by default Sep 19 17:35:10 jaj: but binary forms, as DPThought said Sep 19 17:35:38 anshar: For a daily use phone, I think really only qtopia fits the bill. I used 2007.2 for a long time as my daily phone, but only because I have a high tolerance for failure :-) Sep 19 17:35:53 qtopia :| Sep 19 17:35:55 googling Sep 19 17:35:56 anshar: 73M for a OSB dump of germany in binary format. And 2,6G for commercial map&guide all europe cards Sep 19 17:36:02 o right Sep 19 17:36:23 qtopia is great (by neo standards, at least) Sep 19 17:36:38 The only issue I have is that I haven't found a good gps program yet (but I haven't really looked) Sep 19 17:36:59 DPThought: i only have to have belgium, whcih is slightly smaller then germany Sep 19 17:37:01 and gprs isn't working for me yet - AT&T gophone has some weird config requirements Sep 19 17:37:03 DPThought: so should be fine :D Sep 19 17:37:12 and it doesn't charge very well on a dumb charger Sep 19 17:37:28 phone calls are very stable, suspend & resume work fine Sep 19 17:37:42 anshar: the small screen is not perfect for car navi btw. Sep 19 17:37:51 although my gta01 seems to only live about 8 hours when suspended, which is much less than I expect Sep 19 17:37:54 DPThought: should be big enough no? Sep 19 17:38:26 sms & address book work great. Media player is fine. Sep 19 17:38:41 gps is the most important part hehe Sep 19 17:38:53 wurp :) Sep 19 17:38:57 anshar: Yeah, qpegps may fit the bill. I just haven't tried yet. Sep 19 17:39:00 What are we talking about here? Sep 19 17:39:08 qtopia? Sep 19 17:39:14 anshar wants to buy a FR and use it for his daily phone Sep 19 17:39:17 yep Sep 19 17:39:20 oh snap Sep 19 17:39:21 anshar: at least not perfect. :) And the feature and stability of navit is far from what you can get for cheap with a standallone navi. I find navit very impressive, but far from 'done'. Sep 19 17:39:23 is that really wise? :P Sep 19 17:39:29 IMO if you want any level of reliability, qtopia or fso are the only game in town Sep 19 17:39:51 I've heard a slew of complaints regarding the latest FSO build. Sep 19 17:39:57 And I'm not sure about the most recent fso Sep 19 17:40:00 yeah, me too Sep 19 17:40:00 gah basically i want a linux phone for two reasons: philosophy and easy integration with all my systems at home :> Sep 19 17:40:01 yeah :P Sep 19 17:40:06 fucking qtopia Sep 19 17:40:08 and fr is bout the only one atm.. Sep 19 17:40:09 I wish it was useful. Sep 19 17:40:17 qtopia is useful for me... Sep 19 17:40:23 no apps, no browser, no coolness. Sep 19 17:40:33 I don't want to program in qt, but I haven't been programming for neo in a long while :-( Sep 19 17:40:34 no nothing Sep 19 17:40:35 :[ Sep 19 17:40:38 yeah :\ Sep 19 17:40:45 phone calls, suspend/resume, media player, terminal Sep 19 17:40:54 sms, address book all work in qtopia Sep 19 17:41:15 does anyone know of another (possibly more stable :p) linux phone? Sep 19 17:41:18 ready for every day use Sep 19 17:41:43 anshar: There are phones based on linux, but none that are open afaik other than FR or gta01 Sep 19 17:41:45 anshar: isn't the stability a software thing? Sep 19 17:41:58 lindi-: i hope so :D Sep 19 17:42:49 And qtopia is much faster than 2007.2 for most things Sep 19 17:44:11 any estimate on how long it will be before fr will become stable enough for every day use? Sep 19 17:44:24 `anshar: go play with android Sep 19 17:44:35 anshar: Any answer to that question will be wrong. Sep 19 17:44:35 toggles_w: no phones as of yet :> Sep 19 17:44:53 wurp2|working: gah :( Sep 19 17:44:58 anshar: expected FR release date in 8/2007 was 10/2007 Sep 19 17:45:10 anshar: It actually came out in... 6/2008? Is that right? Sep 19 17:45:13 wurp2|working: ye, tell me bout it... Sep 19 17:45:18 wurp2|working: i've been following the project for ages hehe Sep 19 17:45:37 I gave up & bought an 01 in 1/2007. I'm very glad I did. Sep 19 17:45:50 wurp2|working: well, the wi-fi was also a necessary component Sep 19 17:45:56 otherwise i would've gone for the 01 as well Sep 19 17:46:00 anshar: Not to me :-) Sep 19 17:46:16 I would only use wifi at home, and there I use bt networking Sep 19 17:46:43 damn evolution Sep 19 17:46:46 Every once in a while on a trip I regret not having wifi, but mostly I can limp by on gprs Sep 19 17:46:51 stop hiding your databases from me! Sep 19 17:46:54 wurp2|working: i'm not a big fan of gprs Sep 19 17:46:58 wurp2|working: mostly cause of the bill :D Sep 19 17:47:04 wurp2|working: insanely expensive for a piece of crap :> Sep 19 17:47:08 anshar: Me neither. But I have unlimited gprs for $20/month Sep 19 17:47:18 wurp2|working: belgium isn't exactly known for cheap internet :D Sep 19 17:47:20 on a no-contract phone account Sep 19 17:47:26 wurp2|working: tmobile? Sep 19 17:47:27 anshar: :-/ Sep 19 17:47:33 toggles_w: AT&T gophone Sep 19 17:47:34 wurp2|working: so wi-fi was a must Sep 19 17:47:39 anshar: I see Sep 19 17:47:48 o btw, one more questoin that i occassionaly ask :D Sep 19 17:47:54 how does the fr react when you put it in you rpocket Sep 19 17:47:59 or next to your ear to answer a phone call Sep 19 17:48:15 can you lock it or something? Sep 19 17:48:17 wurp2|working: does your sim work in the moko? Sep 19 17:49:16 toggles_w: Yeah, no problems Sep 19 17:49:24 toggles_w: I had to get a firmware upgrade on my gta01 Sep 19 17:49:33 toggles_w: But FR should already have that version Sep 19 17:49:35 .15c for an sms is a bit steep though Sep 19 17:49:43 anshar: nope Sep 19 17:50:07 toggles_w: I don't send many sms. I never pay more than the minimum gophone pmt, and I have about $140 accumulated now Sep 19 17:50:08 wurp2|working: so um...how do you keep it from accidently activating stuff when you put it in your pocket? Sep 19 17:50:13 i mean it's touchscreen ay... Sep 19 17:50:31 That would be more like $400, but when I first got gprs working, I hadn't bought unlimited connection yet :-) Sep 19 17:50:39 wurp2|working: so whats your bill? $60+ tax? Sep 19 17:50:42 anshar: Oh, in pocket, yes, it has a screen lock Sep 19 17:50:53 sory $50+tax Sep 19 17:51:01 That sounds about right Sep 19 17:51:04 wurp2|working: and when you are calling someone? no chance of accidently ending the call when you put it to your ear? :D Sep 19 17:51:14 anshar: I can only say that's never happened to me Sep 19 17:51:29 danm, i'm $60 with tmobile, haven't got my gprs working yet though Sep 19 17:51:39 wurp2|working: btw, out of the box, does it have navit or any other gps software? Sep 19 17:51:57 anshar: not sure; I don't have an FR. Others can answer that better. Sep 19 17:52:05 I expect it to have tangogps Sep 19 17:52:07 But! Sep 19 17:52:09 does anyone know? Sep 19 17:52:23 Out of the box, calls won't consistently work, and it won't suspend, which means battery life is about 5 hours Sep 19 17:52:29 anshar: nope, you can upgrade and get tangogps Sep 19 17:52:39 tangogps > navit? Sep 19 17:52:42 out of the box it just looks pretty Sep 19 17:52:47 lol Sep 19 17:53:17 anshar: "on which distribution?" ;P Sep 19 17:53:24 i'm actually happy with fso ms3, really really basic phone operation that just works, battery life is a bit crap though Sep 19 17:53:29 hmm actually thinking...could get a gps built-in when i get mi new car... :| Sep 19 17:54:45 anshar: tangogps is faster than navit and can dl maps on the fly Sep 19 17:54:53 wurp2|working: o Sep 19 17:55:00 wurp2|working: accurate? Sep 19 17:55:02 anshar: and it doesn't need you to hand edit config files after upgrades Sep 19 17:55:07 anshar: both are accurate Sep 19 17:55:38 anshar: but navit can use a much smaller map file to get the job done, and provide maps at any magnification, and can do routing (but routing is SLOW) Sep 19 17:55:47 not unusably slow, but very slow Sep 19 17:55:48 anshar: but tangogps doesn't calculate routes, it is only concerned where the spot you marked is in relation to you in straight line Sep 19 17:55:57 viq ooo Sep 19 17:56:02 well that's not...exactly what i need :D Sep 19 17:56:09 i need a "go left in 200 meter" kinda thing :D Sep 19 17:56:21 anshar: Then you need something other than an FR right now Sep 19 17:56:26 damn :| Sep 19 17:56:28 if u have debian on sd an running 2008.8 on flash what is the path from 2008 to store maps/share map date on the sdcard/debian? Sep 19 17:56:37 theoretically navit supports that, but afaik no one has it working that way on FR Sep 19 17:56:46 ic Sep 19 17:57:36 damn Sep 19 17:57:56 i def don't want a windows based one and symbian is getting quite dodgy as well imo hehe Sep 19 17:58:35 what to do... Sep 19 17:59:02 will debian fit on stock uSD 512 MB card? Sep 19 17:59:22 anshar: Buy a FR, put qtopia on it for now, and buy a $100 gps Sep 19 17:59:30 Raigedas: barely, I believe Sep 19 17:59:41 wurp2|working: there is an idea :p Sep 19 17:59:51 anshar: Then sell the $100 gps when gps on FR is stable Sep 19 18:01:14 wurp2|working: a friend says he has navit giving him routes on FR on 2008 Sep 19 18:01:32 Poor performance + slow bus speed of the Glamo GPU <- from the known / accepted issues Sep 19 18:01:35 how big of an issue is it irl? Sep 19 18:03:58 pretty big, it doesn't feel like a 400MHz system Sep 19 18:05:02 :s Sep 19 18:08:07 if i call somebody, i can hear him and he can hear me. but if somebody calls me, we don't hear anything. i read. that there are some problems with audio, but this problem i didn't find yet Sep 19 18:10:24 wurp2|working, you said "Then sell the $100 gps when gps on FR is stable". did you mean software support or actual hardware? Sep 19 18:12:54 alsamixer sais, everything on and loud Sep 19 18:13:12 Argh ! I'm using fso-makefile and my homemade kernel don't boot. Wheras the one with the same revision in downloads.freesmartphone.org boots :( (on gta01) Sep 19 18:13:55 Raigedas: software. The gps hardware is fine Sep 19 18:14:14 ou, good to hear then Sep 19 18:14:16 :) Sep 19 18:14:32 viq: I got routes working on navit; it was the speech part I didn't get working Sep 19 18:14:47 i was afraid that i should buy GTA03 for fixed GPS.. Sep 19 18:15:06 oh Sep 19 18:15:07 hello, i've compiled firefox for om2008.8...what's good: can see ssl websites if you import the certificate using ssh -Y drawbacs: is slow but usable...what should i do...publish it the same why than wesnoth? it's in oe...i just build it... Sep 19 18:15:14 Raigedas: afaik there are no insurmountable hw problems in FR Sep 19 18:15:18 s/why/way Sep 19 18:15:30 good to hear Sep 19 18:15:37 Raigedas: There is an issue with the gsm dropping connection, but from what I hear it can be worked around in sw, and it may even be correct behavior Sep 19 18:15:59 ok Sep 19 18:15:59 Well, I say no insurmountable problems... Sep 19 18:16:27 Glamo is fubar and everyone knows it, but it's a performance impact on high graphics apps, not anything that is just broken Sep 19 18:16:29 Raigedas: Debian is about 350 megs installed. That's with apt-get clean. Sep 19 18:17:02 bricode, but what about before clean? Sep 19 18:17:14 The biggest issue is the GSM buzz Sep 19 18:17:24 Raigedas: I think I heard about 430. Script cleans by default. I'm trying it now without clean. Sep 19 18:17:27 Which can't be worked round in software. Sep 19 18:17:59 Raigedas: I'll have some more figures in about 30 minutes, but my installation has some extra packages. Sep 19 18:18:42 bricode, so you think that 512MB card is not a problem and i would be able to test debian? Sep 19 18:18:49 SpeedEvil: I don't think I've even heard of that one, other than a few people talking about problems only they were having Sep 19 18:18:52 Raigedas: Certainly. Sep 19 18:18:56 thanks Sep 19 18:19:05 SpeedEvil: Is that FR specific, not on gta01? Sep 19 18:19:47 SpeedEvil: Has it been confirmed that it's the headset jack picking up the RF signal? Sep 19 18:25:28 BRIAN Sep 19 18:32:41 Brinky: I haven't been completely keeping up - have been having house maintainance problems - but as I understand it, yes. Sep 19 18:32:46 de: Sep 19 18:39:41 Dave: How's tricks? Sep 19 18:40:18 Raigedas: I've got 388 meg Debian without cleaning and with extra packages. Sep 19 18:41:01 bricode, ok. mine is still setting up itself... Sep 19 18:41:04 Raigedas: .debs take up about 64 meg. Sep 19 18:43:47 bricode, does debian have ability to show in landscape? and do mplayer (or other player) shows video at 25fps? Sep 19 18:44:22 Raigedas: Don't know about landscape yet, but I'm sure it could be configured for that. Sep 19 18:44:42 xrandr -o left ;) Sep 19 18:44:58 Raigedas: As for mplayer, I'm not sure. I know that raster was hitting some limits with the glamo chip. There was a blog post about a patched mplayer somewhere... Sep 19 18:45:13 PULLS PHONE OUT STILL GOOD AFTER 3 DAYS of on time. Sep 19 18:45:39 there was no sim in .... gps off wifi off .... but ... that's still ok. Sep 19 18:46:12 hi. I just followed all instructions for illume keyboard on 2008.8, but ent up just having qtopia keyboard with qwerty button Sep 19 18:47:06 where do I find illume prefferences? Sep 19 18:47:15 aliases123: That's an interesting data-point; it seems to have been "tribal knowlege" that the GSM sucks a lot of the battery, but I've never heard anyone test with the current images and no SIM card. Sep 19 18:48:30 mwester: something like 3 days ... should get the uptime for you. (lazy) Sep 19 18:51:47 for some reason the uptime is reporting 3 hours. which is impossible. Sep 19 18:52:14 aliases123: Not really. Not if it automagically rebooted. Sep 19 18:52:14 04:42:30 up 3:57, 1 user, load average: 0.45, 0.82, 0.93 Sep 19 18:52:37 bricode: impossible because 2008.8 isn't the default, that's on an sdcard. 2007 is on the phone... Sep 19 18:53:00 aliases123: In that case, you're probably right. Sep 19 18:53:17 aliases123: Some weird clock change/reset? Sep 19 18:53:22 probably Sep 19 18:53:26 it only counts wake time? Sep 19 18:53:47 SpeedEvil: shouldn't Sep 19 18:54:13 fskc why is there no /var/log/ Sep 19 18:54:21 of use. Sep 19 18:55:03 ah the .X0-lock Sep 19 18:55:10 should be from when it was turned on yeah Sep 19 18:56:18 well in that case its 2days exactly almost (when more than 50 charge remaining)( 77%). Sep 19 18:57:11 isnt illume-config a program? Sep 19 18:57:45 mmm i wonder what is causing the uptime reporting to be incorrect tho. Sep 19 19:09:02 after debian install, am i put to FSO interface? Sep 19 19:10:02 Raigedas: after the debian install, FSO stuff should be set up, yes Sep 19 19:10:03 how could i see regular desktop? Sep 19 19:10:52 Raigedas: by default it doesn't start with any "regular desktop", it launches FSO exclusively. I know it's possible to put a "home" desktop app there, but admittedly I'm unsure as to how Sep 19 19:10:54 i mean gnome Sep 19 19:11:53 Raigedas: there are instructions for installing xfce, which is pretty easy to use on there... I'm sure gnome is similiar: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#XFCE Sep 19 19:12:11 ok, thanks Sep 19 19:12:39 hope it helps :) Sep 19 19:21:43 Isn't FDOM debian + fso + some other stuff? Does it include starting Illume or somethings as an app launcher? Sep 19 19:22:05 s/somethings/something/ Sep 19 19:22:05 wurp2|working meant: Isn't FDOM debian + fso + some other stuff? Does it include starting Illume or something as an app launcher? Sep 19 19:25:08 hmm Sep 19 19:28:03 damn you qtopia!! Sep 19 19:28:12 :( Sep 19 19:29:14 Dave: Now now. Control your temper :) Sep 19 19:30:26 >:O Sep 19 19:32:08 whats wrong with Qtopia? Sep 19 19:32:43 LORN Sep 19 19:32:49 It's you! :) Sep 19 19:33:38 anyone has tried 2008.9 ??? Sep 19 19:33:51 Some of us just have some things to speak with you about, Mr. Potter Sep 19 19:33:59 Cga, is it 2010 already? :) Sep 19 19:34:02 Dave: calm down and say uuuhhh i luv italians Sep 19 19:34:24 not yet Dave =) Sep 19 19:34:30 (and why are you asking?) Sep 19 19:34:36 lpotter: Is there a way to tell qtopia what phone # to call for gprs? Sep 19 19:34:52 AT&T GoPhone uses a slightly weird one Sep 19 19:35:02 wurp2|working: edit the chatscript in /home/root Sep 19 19:35:30 johnsu01: I don't see a chatscript in /home/root... Sep 19 19:35:40 Applications/Network/chat Sep 19 19:35:45 ah Sep 19 19:35:47 Thanks! Sep 19 19:35:53 http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html Sep 19 19:36:31 oh, does someone have AT&T GoPhone GPRS working? (Not contract.) Sep 19 19:36:44 wurp2|working: or edit /opt/Qtopia/ppp-network to make the write kind of chatscript in the first place :) Sep 19 19:36:46 I gave it a try but didn't get it to work. Sep 19 19:36:54 s/write/right Sep 19 19:36:55 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rafc3d09731fb 10/packages/connman/connman_git.bb: [connman] modify the git server from moblin.org to git.moblin.org Sep 19 19:37:21 huh, those qtopia screenshots look unfamiliar Sep 19 19:37:43 is that the qtopia.net build, then? Sep 19 19:37:44 /opt/Qtopia/bin/ppp-network that is Sep 19 19:37:52 cjb: yeah Sep 19 19:39:13 Damn... That's timing and a bit *giggles* :) Sep 19 19:39:28 Tomorrow it's f-hacking here at uni, with the topic being OpenMoko... Sep 19 19:39:43 And 2008.9 was just officially released ;) Sep 19 19:40:37 cjb: It works for me in 2007.2 Sep 19 19:41:14 johnsu01: afaik there is no way to tell it what # to dial in the qtopia UI. However, qtopia appears to already use the right #, so something else is wrong :-( Sep 19 19:41:29 wurp2|working: what does the log say? did you try the chaps-secrets change? Sep 19 19:41:49 I didn't, but I didn't need it in 2007.2... Sep 19 19:43:28 johnsu01: I dunno where the logs are :-) Sep 19 19:43:35 logread Sep 19 19:43:44 logread -f while you are dialing Sep 19 19:44:30 thanks, watching now Sep 19 19:45:38 hmm, it looks as if it may want the chap secrets update Sep 19 19:45:48 which is weird, since I can connect in 2007.2 w/o it Sep 19 19:46:08 I think there's a bug of some sort -- it doesn't seem like it should be needed, because the ppp options file tells it not to authenticate Sep 19 19:46:24 but it tries chap anyway unless I make that change to the password file Sep 19 19:47:42 how to launch console on debian/FSO ? Sep 19 19:48:55 OK, how am I supposed to change the text entry method in qtopia? Sep 19 19:49:00 i.e. bring up a kbd? Sep 19 19:49:15 wurp2|working: either the lower left menu or the icon in the upper right Sep 19 19:49:19 the handwriting is frustrating Sep 19 19:49:22 I see the icon Sep 19 19:49:28 but clicking on it doesn't seem to do anything Sep 19 19:49:30 if you tap the icon you should get the menu to change it Sep 19 19:49:32 tap harder :) Sep 19 19:49:35 (the icon says 'abc') Sep 19 19:50:31 dammit Sep 19 19:50:58 wurp2|working: but usually there is also an option in the lower left menu, in a lot of contexts Sep 19 19:51:00 I keep poking around near the icon. Once I got the menu to come up, but then I poked again before it had actually popped up so it immediately disappeared Sep 19 19:55:38 wurp2|working: calibrate your touchscreen? I've had to do that regularly with Qtopia; I'm wondering if it loses the calibration on each boot. Sep 19 19:56:10 mwester: Yep, there's a definite calibration issue Sep 19 19:56:12 * rooly loved qtopia Sep 19 19:56:14 very responsive Sep 19 19:56:17 however Sep 19 19:56:25 I had never had to calibrate it in any other release, so I thought it must be me Sep 19 19:56:27 it lost sound after the first call Sep 19 19:56:31 I just clipped my fingernails :-) Sep 19 19:56:35 so...i had to uninstall it Sep 19 19:58:15 huh? calibration issue? Sep 19 19:58:44 Woohoo! Thanks johnsu01! Your chap-secrets fix worked. Sep 19 19:58:52 lpotter: It's definitely just slightly off Sep 19 19:59:14 I have to touch the key below the one I want on the keyboard, even with a stylus Sep 19 19:59:29 And I could work the matchbox keyboard with my fingers Sep 19 19:59:39 (mostly) Sep 19 20:00:44 wurp2|working: yay :) Sep 19 20:01:08 So, how do I install new apps? Is there a graphical installer? Sep 19 20:01:30 nm, I see "Software Packages" Sep 19 20:01:36 wurp2|working: tried recalibrating? Sep 19 20:02:08 there's "google phonebook" now? ... damn, is there anything google doesn't do.. Sep 19 20:02:16 lpotter: Not yet; I made it past my issue for now :-) Sep 19 20:04:11 Agh! Sep 19 20:04:31 never mind, I see: dns problem Sep 19 20:05:30 ya. somethings wrong with OM Sep 19 20:05:43 never sets the dns up Sep 19 20:05:56 ljp: It works on 2007.2 ;-) Sep 19 20:06:12 Anyone know a public dns off the top of their head? Sep 19 20:06:17 wurp2|working: dns fix is in my post too Sep 19 20:06:46 it sets the dns just not in the place that other things are expecting it Sep 19 20:06:48 found one Sep 19 20:07:16 It's the wurps! Sep 19 20:07:17 opendns: 208.67.222.222 Sep 19 20:07:21 What's working on what now? :D Sep 19 20:07:37 johnsu01: what opst is that? Sep 19 20:07:47 post that is Sep 19 20:07:56 ljp: http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html Sep 19 20:08:33 Dave: getting gprs all set up on qtopia Sep 19 20:11:24 Hello Sep 19 20:11:26 i am wondering Sep 19 20:11:32 when flashing your neo freerunner Sep 19 20:11:35 what is lsusb for? Sep 19 20:13:14 oh snaps Sep 19 20:13:25 wurps, I've had it working great on my 2007 phones Sep 19 20:13:39 i need some help flashing my freerunner Sep 19 20:13:44 wurp, does it not work on qtopia presently? Sep 19 20:13:49 Dave: me too, after I figured out how to make gophone work Sep 19 20:13:50 or properly, rather Sep 19 20:13:54 heh Sep 19 20:14:02 :P Sep 19 20:14:03 Dave: works fine after I followed johnsu01's instructions :-) Sep 19 20:14:07 :D Sep 19 20:14:12 What's the special secret? Sep 19 20:14:19 ljp: Any update on those patches? :-) Sep 19 20:14:29 haha Sep 19 20:14:32 * Dave high-fives mwester Sep 19 20:14:42 whenever i run sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uimage, I get a "Device still in runtime mode!" (i am on the *** BOOT MENU (NOR) ***) Sep 19 20:14:46 what can i try? Sep 19 20:16:05 yabo: Are you sure it's complaining about your FR? Might it be that you have a bluetooth device on USB (either external, or built-in)? Sep 19 20:16:18 no bluetooth devices that i know of Sep 19 20:16:20 yabo: You have to shut down, hold aux while pressing power to restart it, then select USB console Sep 19 20:16:29 i have to select usb console? Sep 19 20:16:33 i didnt know that Sep 19 20:16:34 k thanks Sep 19 20:16:51 Yeah, I shoulda read your whole comment - you just need to select usb console :-) Sep 19 20:17:20 still doesnt work Sep 19 20:17:25 and when i set console to usb Sep 19 20:17:25 Dave: http://journal.wjsullivan.net/232100.html Sep 19 20:17:35 it says "hit AUX to return to menu" or something like that Sep 19 20:17:40 before it goes back to the NOR boot menu Sep 19 20:17:42 that is normal Sep 19 20:17:48 ok Sep 19 20:17:48 But then dfu-util should work Sep 19 20:18:09 unless it's confusing some other device for your FR, as mwester said Sep 19 20:18:15 :o Sep 19 20:18:30 how can i fix that? Sep 19 20:18:46 yabo: Disconnect all other usb devices & shut down bt? Sep 19 20:18:58 lsusb Sep 19 20:19:16 yabo: Then try again Sep 19 20:19:21 or you can just give dfu-util the usb id number for the fr -- it's in the wiki. Sep 19 20:19:36 http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=563 Sep 19 20:19:39 that is the out from lsusb Sep 19 20:20:31 mwester, how do i find the id number for the phone? Sep 19 20:20:34 i cant tell them apart Sep 19 20:20:51 How about pasting the output from "sudo dfu-util --list" (and you can find the id number for the phone on the wiki) Sep 19 20:21:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--device <----- tells you the id number and how to use it. Sep 19 20:22:31 mwester, i cant see the id number :P Sep 19 20:22:44 1457:5119 is not on lsusb Sep 19 20:22:52 And I think you need to be in NAND to use dfu in the standard way; I've never done it from NOR (you only use NOR if your NAND is trashed.) Sep 19 20:23:03 and sudo dfu-util --list shows just the licensing-stuff and a blank line Sep 19 20:23:04 ljp: Is there some nice feed I can add to let me install a web browser and/or qpegps? Sep 19 20:23:12 how do i get into NAND? Sep 19 20:23:13 If you can't see the id number, then your FR is not at the u-boot prompt. Sep 19 20:23:17 mwester: Oh, good point Sep 19 20:23:29 yabo: the wiki is your freind! Sep 19 20:23:29 I don't have NOR, so I don't think about that Sep 19 20:23:40 And I have no idea how to get to NOR or NAND on FR :-) Sep 19 20:23:45 but mwester Sep 19 20:23:50 the wiki tells me to Boot the FreeRunner from NOR Flash Sep 19 20:24:01 where? Sep 19 20:24:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Boot_the_FreeRunner_from_NOR_Flash Sep 19 20:24:15 i am following that page to flash my phone btw Sep 19 20:24:16 Why are you on that page? Sep 19 20:24:33 i shouldnt? Sep 19 20:25:03 I guess I'm asking what you are trying to accomplish? Are you replacing your NAND u-boot? Sep 19 20:25:22 i am trying to install 2008.9 Sep 19 20:25:30 i just got my phone today Sep 19 20:25:37 Ah, ok. Sep 19 20:25:41 Then forget about NOR flash. Sep 19 20:25:41 and thought i should update the software to the most recent version Sep 19 20:25:44 OKI Sep 19 20:25:46 what do i do? :D Sep 19 20:25:48 Boot to NAND flash the normal way. Sep 19 20:25:55 hold the powerbutton? Sep 19 20:26:21 Yes, and depress the aux button one second after depressing (and holding) power. Sep 19 20:26:32 You will get a boot menu, but this time it will say NAND at the top. Sep 19 20:27:08 That's the normal, standard, boot menu that you will always use [ the only exception being when you have totally screwed up your NAND u-boot, which should never ever happen by accident). Sep 19 20:27:12 ] Sep 19 20:27:34 you should hack into lpotter's system and steal his source code :p Sep 19 20:27:43 mwester: The only time your NAND u-boot should be totally screwed up is when you do it on purpose? Sep 19 20:28:00 Once at that menu, you have 30 seconds (or a bit less) to get dfu-util working, or it will auto-boot. Sep 19 20:28:29 Depress the aux key every few seconds to make it not autoboot, if you need more time to get the dfu-util started. Sep 19 20:28:55 wurp2|working: Yep. :D You have to be one of the insane people who reflash experimental boot-loaders. Sep 19 20:29:23 And don't forget to rotate widdershins on your left foot while you do it, and shake the magic beans and crow feather fetish Sep 19 20:29:32 those should not be insane but know what they do :) Sep 19 20:29:51 mwester Sep 19 20:29:59 i got "Device still in runtime mode!" Sep 19 20:30:09 *** BOOT MENU (NAND) *** Sep 19 20:30:17 yabo: After you got to NAND menu, did you start usb console? Sep 19 20:30:21 ah Sep 19 20:30:21 no Sep 19 20:30:27 You still have to do that :-) Sep 19 20:30:52 still get device still in runtime mode Sep 19 20:30:56 although the "runtime mode" message sounds misleading anyway Sep 19 20:30:59 yabo -- then it has started to boot by the time you run dfu-util. Sep 19 20:31:12 i dont think so Sep 19 20:31:15 i still see the boot menu Sep 19 20:31:21 Use lsusb (as root) to see if you can see that device ID. Sep 19 20:31:34 If you cannot, then fix that first, before you try dfu-util Sep 19 20:31:41 Check your cable. Sep 19 20:31:47 which device ID? Sep 19 20:31:52 i think i know which one it is, Sep 19 20:31:54 The one in the wiki. Sep 19 20:32:00 i cant see the one in the wiki Sep 19 20:32:11 the one from the phone (only one on bus 2) has id 0000:0000 Sep 19 20:32:27 perhaps i should try bus 1? Sep 19 20:32:32 Perhaps. Sep 19 20:32:36 or a new cable Sep 19 20:32:45 the cable works i think Sep 19 20:32:50 i can ssh to the phone Sep 19 20:33:04 * yabo crawls under his desk Sep 19 20:33:43 What is yoiur host system? Sep 19 20:34:05 i am using kubuntu on a vm to connect to the phone atm Sep 19 20:34:34 AhhH!!!!!!! Sep 19 20:34:38 That explains it. Sep 19 20:34:55 Try a live CD. Sep 19 20:35:27 AFAIK, you can't do that from a VM. Sep 19 20:35:34 oh Sep 19 20:35:37 blah.. Sep 19 20:35:48 internet doesnt work when i run out of windows Sep 19 20:35:58 cant get the onboard network-card drivers to work Sep 19 20:36:27 what if i tried in windows? Sep 19 20:36:52 dfu-util doesn't work in Windows. Somebody needs to write a tool that will do that... but nobody has yet. Sep 19 20:38:21 * mwester goes to edit the wiki, because this is the second time in a week that somebody had tried to use dfu-util with VMware. Sep 19 20:39:15 hihi Sep 19 20:39:47 No one knows a web browser to use on qtopia? Sep 19 20:39:51 4.3.2 Sep 19 20:40:43 mwester Sep 19 20:40:49 can i use NeoTool? Sep 19 20:41:09 does it work properly and all? Sep 19 20:41:19 yabo: why not a live cd? Sep 19 20:41:33 going to boot live usb in a sec Sep 19 20:41:36 to try Sep 19 20:41:39 has anyone tried Duke3d on 2008.8? Sep 19 20:41:46 does NeoTool work? Sep 19 20:41:58 dunno Sep 19 20:43:10 btw Sep 19 20:43:13 to install 2008.9 Sep 19 20:43:21 do i need to do the " Flashing the boot loader to the NAND" Sep 19 20:43:23 -part? Sep 19 20:44:27 because i cant find any uboot.bin-ish files Sep 19 20:44:48 just rootfs and uImage (and splash) Sep 19 20:46:36 ? Sep 19 20:47:19 oh well Sep 19 20:47:23 im off to live USB Sep 19 20:47:23 brb Sep 19 20:47:25 yabo: No, don't do that Sep 19 20:47:29 ok thanks Sep 19 20:47:31 Don't install the boot loader Sep 19 20:47:34 Just kernel & rootfs Sep 19 20:47:57 btw Sep 19 20:48:02 why should i use boot menu NAND Sep 19 20:48:04 ? Sep 19 20:48:15 the wiki says Boot the FreeRunner from NOR Flash Sep 19 20:48:35 I will be picking up a new micro SD card today. Looks like I can get a 4 GB one for pretty cheap. But it is an SDHC... anyone know if the FR will support SDHC? Sep 19 20:48:38 next entry is # Stay in NOR uBoot menu, do not select or enter any item in menu. Now you will be able to flash, make backups of your FreeRunner or query the FreeRunner with dfu-util. Sep 19 20:48:45 It says that for installing a new kernel? Sep 19 20:48:56 yabo: because that is the only time the dfu-utils package will be able to talk directly to the FR. Sep 19 20:49:10 sgrover: Not in NAND flash? Sep 19 20:49:12 but sgrover, the guys here tell me to use NAND Sep 19 20:49:20 'cause NAND flash works great on gta01 Sep 19 20:49:22 Both NAND and NOR work fine. Sep 19 20:49:25 im confused, which should i use? Sep 19 20:49:29 NOR is not intended for general use. Sep 19 20:49:30 I have no experience with FR :-) Sep 19 20:49:40 The documentionat says NOR so that you can reflash the u-boot Sep 19 20:49:47 The documentation is trying to be too smart Sep 19 20:49:50 NAND then? Sep 19 20:49:52 NAND Sep 19 20:49:54 NAND Sep 19 20:49:55 NADN Sep 19 20:49:56 okidoki Sep 19 20:49:59 going live usb Sep 19 20:50:00 yabo: to send the data to the FR (like a new kernel), hold down the Aux button, then hit the power button till you see the boot menu. NOW run the dfu-utils tool. Sep 19 20:50:11 that starts NOR Sep 19 20:50:12 * mwester kicks whoever wrote that wiki page. Sep 19 20:50:16 see now im confused again Sep 19 20:50:28 sgrover: that's NOR. Sep 19 20:50:31 Don't use NOR Sep 19 20:50:32 nand Sep 19 20:50:33 NOR is eveil Sep 19 20:50:38 okok going nand! Sep 19 20:50:40 and live usb Sep 19 20:50:43 power for a few seconds...then alt Sep 19 20:50:43 be back soon Sep 19 20:50:44 NOR is for when you have trashed your FR's bootlaoder! Sep 19 20:51:06 haha ... i've flashed my FR countless times .. but now you guys have confused me too Sep 19 20:51:14 mwester: AND when you want to run the dfu-util tool to update the kernel Sep 19 20:51:18 or rootfs Sep 19 20:51:23 NO. Sep 19 20:51:25 NO Sep 19 20:51:34 sgrover: Use NAND for that ;-) Sep 19 20:51:45 dfu-util will not talk to the FR unless it is in that boot menu.... at least that I've seen so far. Sep 19 20:52:05 dfu-util will talk to FR in NAND Sep 19 20:52:10 Golly, then the several hundred reflashes I thought I've done on my FR haven't happened? Sep 19 20:52:20 NOR is the failsafe. Sep 19 20:52:45 NOR cannot be changed, so it will be older (lackign features, maybe even having bugs!) compared to the real NAND u-boot. Sep 19 20:52:52 so how do you talk to the FR using the NAND then? what are the steps needed? Sep 19 20:53:02 mwester NOR is eveil...lol Sep 19 20:53:03 No different than NOR. Sep 19 20:53:09 same as NOR Sep 19 20:53:10 (only had mine for a few days, so still learning) Sep 19 20:53:18 mwester: Except how you get to the uboot menu ;-) Sep 19 20:53:44 sgrover: you might try unplugging, plugging usb cable if dfu-util doesn't find device while in NAND Sep 19 20:53:48 I think what sgrover is asking is how to get to NAND uboot menu Sep 19 20:54:24 One of the current discussions on the kernel ML is turning on hardware ECC -- doing that requires a new uboot -- that would mean that you CANNOT reflash from NOR any longer. So clearly, from the designers themselves, they did not intend for people to use NOR to flash anythign other than a damaged NAND bootloader. Sep 19 20:54:24 wurp2|working: good call...what do you mean by "talk to" sgrover Sep 19 20:54:41 how do i erase the last 5 mins of conversation in here from my brain? .... i used to be comfortable flashing my FR ... now i'm confused Sep 19 20:54:53 setting up the FR so the dfu-util can talk to it in NAND. only instructions I have seen thus far is the aux/power combo.. Sep 19 20:55:11 sgrover: same combo then...just different order ;) Sep 19 20:55:18 huh? Sep 19 20:55:22 It's really simple. Use NAND for everything, use NOR only when you've totally trashed even the NAND bootloader. That's all. Sep 19 20:55:25 power first for a few secs, then alt Sep 19 20:55:37 sgrover: hold power, then after ~1 sec press aux briefly Sep 19 20:55:46 Hold power button, press alt button after about one second, NAND boot will come up. Sep 19 20:56:02 (wurp2 beat me to that) Sep 19 20:56:04 sgrover: remembering of course that I don't have an FR; I'm just remembering what mwester said :-) Sep 19 20:56:04 I'll give that a shot after Debian finishes installing (again - third time's the charm?? :) ) Sep 19 20:56:50 sgrover: cool thing about nand is you can get in and change it's environment too...so boot multiple partitons Sep 19 20:57:00 :) Yep. Sep 19 20:57:04 so if both result in the same thing... what difference does it make? I mean if the dfu-util is doing it's job, and the end result is the same..... Sep 19 20:57:10 just in case - how would one update the u-boot in NOR, if he wanted? (debug board is available) Sep 19 20:57:11 And add custom menu items to do cool things from the bootloader. Sep 19 20:57:21 sgrover: Did you see the part where mwester said NOR doesn't get updated? Sep 19 20:57:40 might be buggy Sep 19 20:57:43 yep. But I'm only worried bout updating the kernel/rootfs... Sep 19 20:58:03 As the images change to use new uboot features or expose uboot bugs, NOR will no longer support the newer images Sep 19 20:58:18 sgrover: and that may fail with later kernel/rootfs images Sep 19 20:58:28 wurp2|working: that's why i'd like to update the u-boot in NOR from time to time Sep 19 20:58:32 if they expose a bug in the uboot version distributed with NOR Sep 19 20:58:42 so if you flash some kernel or rootfs...find a bug, report it, you'll be asked if you flashed from NOR or NAND...if NOR, you'll be asked to re-flash from NAND Sep 19 20:58:53 Wonka: but each time you do that you take a chance that you'll break your FR, no? Sep 19 20:58:58 Wonka: just boot from NOR, then use dfu-util -- it will work fine. But the issue is that when you are forced to use NOR, it usually means that your NAND is totally munged, so you will probably need to do a lot of other stuff to "fix up" the NAND environment and all before you flash a new bootloader. Things like the bad-block information may even have been lost in the NAND, that would be bad and requires some steps to repair. Sep 19 20:59:48 NEW QUESTION: Can I use an SDHC card with the FR? I know SDHC doesn't work with my desktop.. Sep 19 21:00:04 you can Sep 19 21:00:07 wurp2|working: i still have the u-boot in NAND, and also the debug board - so i could reflash the NOR until it was working Sep 19 21:00:12 Wonka: but if something goes wrong when doing a NOR bootloader change -- you're back to using OpenOCD and JTAG -- really not fun at all, I'm told. Sep 19 21:00:19 sgrover: my 8gb microSDHC works Sep 19 21:00:32 mwester: happens. so what. Sep 19 21:00:36 Thanks. I can buy with confidence now.. :) Sep 19 21:00:50 Wonka: you have a jtag? Sep 19 21:00:57 * mwester wants an SDHC card; that way he can put more images on the system. Sep 19 21:01:03 wurp2|working: i have a debug board. those do jtag, i'm told. Sep 19 21:01:19 Wonka: you might mention that when you're advocating burning your NOR :-) Sep 19 21:01:19 mwester: $20 cdn for a 4gb here.. :) Sep 19 21:01:27 The old GTA01 debug board won't let you reflash the NOR, though. Sep 19 21:01:41 wurp2|working: »(debug board is available)« Sep 19 21:01:48 sgrover: That's a good price - name brand? Sep 19 21:01:53 Kingston Sep 19 21:01:59 Not bad... Sep 19 21:02:10 Wonka: er, yeah, I guess I should read your whole comment. Sep 19 21:02:15 :-) Sep 19 21:03:37 I'm rather surprised by the lack of reports of bricked and destroyed FRs. Either folks are treating them carefully, or they're more resiliant than many other devices. Sep 19 21:03:47 so how come 2008.8 doesn't look near as good as 2007.2? Seems like 2007.2 was aimed at consumers, while 2008.8 is aimed at techies.... I'd think aiming the interface at consumers would result in more sales... Sep 19 21:04:07 * mwester keeps his mouth firmly clamped shut on that topic. Sep 19 21:04:19 oh, is that a taboo topic here?? :) Sep 19 21:04:21 hehehh Sep 19 21:04:35 not taboo...just dead horse Sep 19 21:04:46 or maybe just painful Sep 19 21:04:52 Both :( Sep 19 21:05:05 R.I.P. 2007.2 Sep 19 21:05:08 understood. and meaningless in the long run.. it'll be replaced again in the (hopefully) not too distant future. Sep 19 21:05:11 * sicu proudly presents his FR running 2007.2 ^^ Sep 19 21:05:32 i'm looking forward to running gentoo :P Sep 19 21:05:36 * sgrover did a backup of the 2007.2 install before reflashing... just in case... Sep 19 21:05:43 btw, on ebay.com, i find 8GB microSDHC cards starting at 25.95 USD Sep 19 21:05:58 "buy it now", free shipping to USA Sep 19 21:07:41 Wonka: I've been seeing $30 prices from reputable web sites. I think I'll end up paying $40 at Radio Shack, to use up a gift card, though :-( Sep 19 21:08:10 the local vendor here has 8gb listed at $35.. still not bad... guess I'm getting 8gb rather than 4.. :) Sep 19 21:08:33 I've been holding off to get an 8gb for them to hit these prices Sep 19 21:08:53 aaargh. i want that display lock thingie from zhone, or maybe that from good old neod... Sep 19 21:09:02 but only that, as an extra script. Sep 19 21:09:26 * sgrover spoke too soon - that was a miniSD, not micro... Sep 19 21:09:30 Wonka! Sep 19 21:09:33 ind i don't know anything about edje and stuff, so i don't even understand how that stuff in zhone works Sep 19 21:09:37 Dave! Sep 19 21:09:44 I bet the information I seek is probably on the wiki, or in logs. Sep 19 21:09:45 :| Sep 19 21:09:56 I was just hopeful that SOMEONE here would know... Sep 19 21:10:05 whut? Sep 19 21:10:05 the force is strong with this one Sep 19 21:10:11 DAVE Sep 19 21:10:17 YES Sep 19 21:10:20 sicu: lol, that one just ran on tv here Sep 19 21:10:27 =] Sep 19 21:10:27 Wonka: if you figure it out, let me know... I wanna make some changes to zhone.. Sep 19 21:10:28 Wonka, where the SMS data is stored on 2007 Sep 19 21:10:34 :D Sep 19 21:10:40 I can't seem to find it on the phone. Sep 19 21:10:44 battery life would be nice... and/or wifi on/off indicator. Sep 19 21:11:00 Dave: no idea, sorry Sep 19 21:11:07 Does ANYBODY know!? Sep 19 21:12:02 Dave: touch a file. Add a contact. find / -cnewer touchedFile Sep 19 21:12:14 wait 15 minutes Sep 19 21:13:06 i'm running debian at the moment Sep 19 21:13:21 * mwester is quite certain it's in ~/.ewhatever-that-directory-is -- because he remembers getting an SMS that crashed 2007.2, and kept crashing it until he found it in that subdir, and manually deleted it. Sep 19 21:13:22 o_O Sep 19 21:13:29 and don't have a working sim i'd like to stick in the FR Sep 19 21:13:31 wurp -_- Sep 19 21:13:49 mwester the only directory like that is ~/.evolution/ and it's NOT in there Sep 19 21:13:51 activate wurp drive!!1! Sep 19 21:13:53 all the other things are Sep 19 21:14:04 but I have an assload of messages which apparently are stored elsewhere. Sep 19 21:14:06 Weird. Sep 19 21:14:08 Dave: What I'm saying is, you're just not using a big enough hammer. Sep 19 21:14:16 I don't want to bother searching the Messages src either :P Sep 19 21:14:21 haha Sep 19 21:14:23 smashy-smashy? :p Sep 19 21:14:35 cnewer is way easier than searching the messages src IMO Sep 19 21:14:35 wurp drive? oh man, that's priceless. Sep 19 21:14:55 Wonka: I will have to remember that ;-) Sep 19 21:14:59 *g* Sep 19 21:15:23 wurp factor 2 Sep 19 21:15:30 energize! Sep 19 21:15:30 ENGAGE! Sep 19 21:15:35 :D Sep 19 21:16:18 Dave: I was perfectly serious with the cnewer suggestion. Wouldn't that find it quicker & more easily than asking here? Sep 19 21:16:24 Did you look on your SIM card? Sep 19 21:16:40 :O Sep 19 21:16:42 oh snap Sep 19 21:16:46 no... I didn't ;D Sep 19 21:16:48 hah Sep 19 21:16:55 Sorry, laughing with you Sep 19 21:16:57 I wonder... Sep 19 21:17:01 not @u Sep 19 21:17:04 uh huh :P Sep 19 21:17:09 sure you are, mr. sulu Sep 19 21:17:23 LOL Sep 19 21:17:42 I always wondered about Mr Sulu and his hairless shirtless fencing pose Sep 19 21:17:56 Now he's living happily with his husband in CA, and we don't have to wonder any more. Sep 19 21:17:57 * Wonka rather thought about Wes Crusher at the helm... Sep 19 21:18:11 Wonka: Hey, don't rag on CleverNickname! Sep 19 21:18:32 *g* Sep 19 21:18:46 hah Sep 19 21:19:09 husband? Sep 19 21:19:17 Dave: yep Sep 19 21:19:30 That's why we don't have to wonder. Sep 19 21:20:07 o_O Sep 19 21:20:12 oh... -_- Sep 19 21:22:56 richleiu!! Sep 19 21:23:17 Dave: You know Wes Crusher is CleverNickname on /., yes? Sep 19 21:24:50 Well, was, I guess. Latest post in January. Sep 19 21:25:07 yay Sep 19 21:25:12 it worked this time Sep 19 21:25:16 No Sep 19 21:25:19 no errors, and i got a new bootscreen Sep 19 21:25:21 thanks alot for the help Sep 19 21:25:24 :) Sep 19 21:25:25 I was not aware of that. Sep 19 21:25:33 Moreover, what is the significance of that? Sep 19 21:26:18 there went tim riker Sep 19 21:26:33 he be round these here parts Sep 19 21:28:24 Dave: The only significance is if you're interested that an ex-star of Star Trek is now a geek & regular poster on /., I reckon. Sep 19 21:28:34 so Sep 19 21:28:37 in 2008.9 Sep 19 21:28:42 when the screen is locked Sep 19 21:28:46 how do i unlock it? Sep 19 21:29:03 alt button Sep 19 21:29:11 aux? Sep 19 21:29:18 ah..yes ;) Sep 19 21:29:27 and then? Sep 19 21:29:31 should be it Sep 19 21:29:35 do i hold it in or something? Sep 19 21:29:40 just pushing it didnt work Sep 19 21:29:48 should have..IIRC Sep 19 21:30:23 iirc? Sep 19 21:30:31 mohahaha ... you're locked Sep 19 21:30:31 if i remember correctly Sep 19 21:30:57 iirc = Iraqi Islamic Reconciliation Conference Sep 19 21:31:03 you should still be able to ssh Sep 19 21:31:05 screen is really dark, but i can see it says LOCKED in black letters somewhere in the darkness Sep 19 21:31:19 alright... but it would be sorta cool to use the stylus too :D Sep 19 21:31:22 did you try power button? Sep 19 21:31:28 ye Sep 19 21:31:34 suspend work? Sep 19 21:31:48 hm i turned it off... :-\ Sep 19 21:31:52 lol they oughta fix this :P Sep 19 21:31:53 you got suspended from work!? Sep 19 21:32:19 The best way to unlock it is to yank the battery. Sep 19 21:32:33 haha :D Sep 19 21:32:54 now Sep 19 21:33:00 to open the backpanel.. Sep 19 21:34:26 Dave: were the messages stored on the sim? Sep 19 21:34:34 god damnit, I cant break up the backpanel :-R Sep 19 21:34:37 I didn't check Sep 19 21:35:13 How do I even check on the freerunner? Sep 19 21:35:28 Dave: which release? Sep 19 21:35:35 two thousand seven Sep 19 21:35:49 Dave: libgsmd-tool -m atcmd Sep 19 21:35:53 :o Sep 19 21:36:03 Then look up the commands to fish for sim entries on the wiki Sep 19 21:36:09 AT+CMGL=4 Sep 19 21:36:13 uggh Sep 19 21:36:23 wiki wiki wiki Sep 19 21:36:23 There may be another way, but that's the only one I know to be sure they're on the sim Sep 19 21:36:31 Or just ask hadara Sep 19 21:36:39 He memorized all the AT commands. Sep 19 21:36:47 oh, did he now? :D Sep 19 21:36:53 nah, just debugging something related right now :-P Sep 19 21:36:59 :-) Sep 19 21:37:04 oh, nevermind then! Sep 19 21:37:54 OH Sep 19 21:38:03 any tricks to getting the backpanel up? Sep 19 21:38:06 this is impossible! Sep 19 21:38:34 yabo: backpanel? Sep 19 21:38:36 why did you say -m atcmd instead of -m shell? Sep 19 21:39:08 lul Sep 19 21:39:08 yeah Sep 19 21:39:13 I see that's still a bug :D Sep 19 21:39:15 the cover on the back of the phone Sep 19 21:39:19 covering the battery and all that Sep 19 21:39:24 I get to the shell and sl segfaults Sep 19 21:39:27 Wonderful. Sep 19 21:39:31 yabo: put a thumbnail, dime or guitar pick in the indention at the top of the phone Sep 19 21:39:35 lol... at the top of the phone is a little notch. pull on that. Sep 19 21:39:38 (where the gsm speaker is) Sep 19 21:39:49 if needed, use a coin - put into the notch and twist.. Sep 19 21:39:49 lololol Sep 19 21:39:54 then twist the whatever-it-is-you-stuck-in-there Sep 19 21:40:28 ;P Sep 19 21:40:31 maybe somebody in china superglued it Sep 19 21:40:33 don't get it stuck in there Sep 19 21:40:39 pulling reeeeeeeally hard worked Sep 19 21:40:39 the chinese have superglue? Sep 19 21:40:47 they are super Sep 19 21:40:49 mine has been simple enough that I can just pull... Sep 19 21:40:54 yabo, yeah, the first time is always the hardest Sep 19 21:40:59 just ask my girl :P Sep 19 21:41:05 I have a cliphangar on mine Sep 19 21:41:06 oh god Sep 19 21:41:12 * yabo facedesks a hundred times :p Sep 19 21:41:18 Sometimes the back spontaneously falls off while I'm walking :-/ Sep 19 21:41:30 wurp2|working Sep 19 21:41:39 that sounds.. odd Sep 19 21:41:39 So I'm left with the back cliphung on my belt, and the innards lying on the ground around me Sep 19 21:41:46 i had to pull reeeeeeeeally hard to get it off Sep 19 21:41:47 he cracked the back cover Sep 19 21:41:53 aw Sep 19 21:41:59 slaxxin: "he" who? Sep 19 21:42:17 she he yabo Sep 19 21:42:34 wait what Sep 19 21:42:38 girls+ Sep 19 21:42:41 ?! Sep 19 21:42:48 nah, no girls here Sep 19 21:42:55 yabo: did you get the FR out of locked state? the test case they did for 2008.9 on this function passed, so should work fine (http://people.openmoko.org/openmoko/testing/Systemsoftware_Suspend&resume_Om2008.9.pdf) Sep 19 21:43:04 At least, none stupid enough to admit it. Sep 19 21:43:19 I'm sure some ass would give 'em grief if they did. Sep 19 21:43:21 no, sicu. i had to hold the power-button and reboot Sep 19 21:43:51 people.openmoko.org? How many subdomains do they need, anyway? Sep 19 21:44:29 its where they hide the good stuff Sep 19 21:45:02 :D Sep 19 21:45:25 hahahahaha Sep 19 21:45:30 wurp, it's never enough, apparently Sep 19 21:45:48 if 'good stuff' = a bunch of boring test cases and documents Sep 19 21:45:50 wohoo Sep 19 21:46:02 and hah, at your harlot of a freerunner... the bottom keeps falling down ;p Sep 19 21:46:12 sicu :P Sep 19 21:46:46 i can't get gps to work with fso ;\ Sep 19 21:46:54 many people can't seem to :P Sep 19 21:46:57 so Sep 19 21:47:10 yabo, is your head okay? Sep 19 21:47:14 is there a place for us pythonpeople to... talk? Sep 19 21:47:26 snakes! Sep 19 21:47:34 us openmoko pythonpeople Sep 19 21:47:40 * Dave hisses at yabo Sep 19 21:47:41 yeah, i have a black tongue. Sep 19 21:47:43 yabo: Here, or openmoko-cdevel Sep 19 21:47:52 alright Sep 19 21:47:55 yabo: Just ignore the C bigots :-) Sep 19 21:48:00 :-D Sep 19 21:48:34 Except mwester. We have to put up with his C bigotry 'cause he fixes the kernel for us. Sep 19 21:48:42 I'm watching you, yabo! Sep 19 21:48:47 haha Sep 19 21:48:47 :-| Sep 19 21:48:49 i wont bite anyone! Sep 19 21:48:50 promise Sep 19 21:48:53 uh huh Sep 19 21:48:59 mwester mwester Sep 19 21:48:59 2008.9 is really slow oØ Sep 19 21:49:05 C bigot? No, no no -- I'm a PERL bigot!!! Sep 19 21:49:05 dude of course it is Sep 19 21:49:12 technically you're still stuck in the past! Sep 19 21:49:17 mwester, use pearl; Sep 19 21:49:17 mwester: orly? Sep 19 21:49:32 I like perl, but only for one-off kind of stuff and <100 line scripts Sep 19 21:49:32 No "use" anything -- bare Perl. Sep 19 21:49:48 hah Sep 19 21:49:51 needs more pearl Sep 19 21:49:52 After all, Perl is "self-documenting" ;) Sep 19 21:49:56 huzzah! Sep 19 21:50:00 So you're a fan then, I take it? Sep 19 21:50:19 in the software that was shipped with the phone Sep 19 21:50:23 you could kill apps Sep 19 21:50:29 how can i do that with 2008.9? Sep 19 21:50:40 you have to write that part of the software in... apparently Sep 19 21:50:46 yabo: open terminal, ps | grep app name, kill ? Sep 19 21:50:58 hahaha Sep 19 21:51:06 assycopters Sep 19 21:51:08 The terminal is my solution to everything Sep 19 21:51:31 terminal + OO perl Sep 19 21:51:41 YAY Sep 19 21:51:44 * Dave high-fives wurp Sep 19 21:51:48 i dont like 2008.9.. Sep 19 21:51:55 Let's solve the world's problems. Sep 19 21:52:14 * mwester wonders if we should let yabo in on the secret. Sep 19 21:52:24 :o Sep 19 21:52:27 Hah, I will solve the middle east crisis... with a regular expression! Sep 19 21:52:28 It's a trap! Sep 19 21:52:34 whahahahaahahaha Sep 19 21:52:35 awesome! Sep 19 21:52:37 wurp2|working Sep 19 21:52:40 mwiihihhihiihihih Sep 19 21:52:41 mwester: That the releases all suck? Sep 19 21:52:44 fun :-D Sep 19 21:52:46 Go team amazing! Sep 19 21:52:51 * rooly sighs Sep 19 21:52:57 so the FR has an Operating temperature range of: -20 ~ 75 °C ... i'm sure i'd be able to compose a textmessage with the wonderful 2008.9 keyboard in -20°C Sep 19 21:52:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia Sep 19 21:53:07 such a tradeoff... Sep 19 21:53:15 so.. im installing qtopia? Sep 19 21:53:17 Yeah, the best of a bad lot Sep 19 21:53:21 anyone have qtopia decide to just completely stop working? Sep 19 21:53:25 No, but perhaps you might like to take a look at it. Sep 19 21:53:28 alright Sep 19 21:53:29 patches patches patches Sep 19 21:53:29 yabo: Only if you want to get & make calls on your phone consistently Sep 19 21:53:35 rooly yep! Sep 19 21:53:36 :D Sep 19 21:53:38 -20 celcius isn't bad. Wait til you get to -40, without a windchill... Sep 19 21:53:40 and by stop working, i mean phone calls you can hear Sep 19 21:53:41 Or you could go back & install fso MS 1 :-/ Sep 19 21:53:45 wurp2|working, im from the middle east, i think regex can solve it, please give it a go. Sep 19 21:53:47 oh Sep 19 21:53:47 rooly: I'm astonished. Qtopia hasn't stopped working for me at all. Sep 19 21:53:58 qtopia has failed me several times already Sep 19 21:53:58 it just decided to no longer make noise Sep 19 21:54:03 though about 3/4 of them were my fault :P Sep 19 21:54:12 TAsn: Yeah, because other US solutions are going so well... Sep 19 21:54:18 is an updated om2008.8 the same as a bloody new installed om2008.9 (mwester: you're right, just making point releases is better, than having to figure out what what is) Sep 19 21:54:19 :p Sep 19 21:54:38 TAsn: My wife is too. She tells me that there's a tale about a duck and a scorpion, and that regexs can't fix that. Sep 19 21:54:39 wurp2|working, i really think regex can work. Sep 19 21:54:40 sgrover: hehe, i start shivering when it goes below +15, i wouldnt even hit the FR with my fingers, let alone pinpoint a letter Sep 19 21:54:55 mwester, your wife is from the middle east? Sep 19 21:54:59 Ye Sep 19 21:55:00 s Sep 19 21:55:01 * rooly starts shivering at 40F Sep 19 21:55:03 where from? Sep 19 21:55:17 around 5C Sep 19 21:55:18 mwester, regex can do probably everything Sep 19 21:55:27 perldoc perlsex Sep 19 21:55:28 oops Sep 19 21:55:34 im going to boot linux and install qtopia Sep 19 21:55:35 brb Sep 19 21:55:41 TAsn: Jordan Sep 19 21:55:47 * Dave starts the popcorn Sep 19 21:55:49 mwester, cool, been there once. Sep 19 21:55:50 i wonder... Sep 19 21:55:53 :O Sep 19 21:55:56 NORSK Sep 19 21:56:01 can the qtopia work off sim card? Sep 19 21:56:08 mwester, send her hi from the middle east ;] Sep 19 21:56:14 * sgrover has to go.. :( will be back later. Sep 19 21:56:14 norsk =] Sep 19 21:56:32 * TAsn admits he would like to go back to england, or just go away ;] Sep 19 21:56:37 * TAsn isn't into wars. Sep 19 21:56:39 SIM card? Or do you mean SD card, rooly? Sep 19 21:56:43 sd Sep 19 21:56:44 my bad Sep 19 21:56:45 sicu: Hestkuk! Sep 19 21:56:55 Yes, Qtopia can work from SD card. Sep 19 21:57:02 * rooly considers... Sep 19 21:57:07 Mwester, but does it work FOR you? Sep 19 21:57:08 ;) Sep 19 21:57:28 rooly: Just build a linux arm emulator in the crippled java that will run on your sim, then start cross compiling... Sep 19 21:57:33 or does it do like spore in wine and do everything bass-ackwards Sep 19 21:57:41 Dave: all my devices work FOR me. I am master of them all. (if they don't, they meet Mr. Ten-lb Sledge) Sep 19 21:57:49 :D Sep 19 21:57:52 only ten? Sep 19 21:57:55 Dave: dave dave dave Sep 19 21:57:57 well, I guess it's appropriate, anyway Sep 19 21:57:57 That's all it takes. Sep 19 21:58:01 ;D Sep 19 21:58:04 unlike those ipods Sep 19 21:58:05 :P Sep 19 21:58:14 * mwester has a bunch of iPods too. Sep 19 21:58:38 my FR has invisibleSHIELD .. the sledge would bounce right off Sep 19 21:58:45 Broken ones, from my kids. So I fix 'em, and nobody want's em, because Apple's Marketing Machine has convinced them that they want the newer iPods anyway. Sep 19 21:59:14 So the first repaired iPod got named "Poddy". Sep 19 21:59:22 The second got named "Porda" Sep 19 21:59:37 why would anyone want an ipod from last year?! Sep 19 21:59:37 mwester: How old are your kids? Sep 19 21:59:50 ipod isn't a working device but just a fashion statement Sep 19 21:59:53 College and last year of HS Sep 19 22:00:03 mwester: wow, I thought *I* was old. Sep 19 22:00:05 ipod + linux is worthwhile tho Sep 19 22:00:14 ;-) Sep 19 22:00:16 TAsn: Yep, I understand that now. I wish I did when I paid for the repair parts for the old ones ;) Sep 19 22:00:25 haha ;] Sep 19 22:00:30 ipod's generally suck. Sep 19 22:00:40 actually most of the music player suck. Sep 19 22:00:43 (if not all) Sep 19 22:00:59 But a separate phone and multimedia device makes a lot of sense to me. Sep 19 22:01:30 a multimedia device doesn't make that much of sense to me Sep 19 22:01:40 s/of// Sep 19 22:01:41 TAsn meant: a multimedia device doesn't make that much sense to me Sep 19 22:02:04 i just listen to people talk instead. Sep 19 22:02:24 or even better, read. (though usually while in a car/bus i get sick reading) Sep 19 22:02:45 bbiab - gotta run Sep 19 22:02:46 Does anybody know if an updated 2008.8 is the same as a newly flashed 2008.9? Sep 19 22:04:46 Or if there's a good web browser for qtopia 4.3.2? Sep 19 22:05:20 nope Sep 19 22:05:27 there will be one in 4.4 Sep 19 22:05:52 apparently Sep 19 22:06:06 definitely Sep 19 22:06:17 dolf1074: you've got juice? Sep 19 22:06:37 lpotter said it will contain a browser Sep 19 22:06:56 so I believe the person who makes the qtopia for the FreeRunner Sep 19 22:07:11 does anyone have the gtkrc they use here? Sep 19 22:07:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TangoGPS Sep 19 22:07:24 * lpotter uses web browser on 4.4 neo... :) Sep 19 22:07:42 "soon" is here? Sep 19 22:07:46 lpotter: gimme! Sep 19 22:07:51 meh .. showoff :p Sep 19 22:07:58 soon := few weeks Sep 19 22:09:09 lpotter: So, nothing available for 4.3.2? Sep 19 22:09:59 lpotter: and gps too? looking good? Sep 19 22:12:34 anyone playing with 2008.9? Sep 19 22:12:53 not yet, but soon Sep 19 22:12:59 is that the 2008.8 updates one? Sep 19 22:13:30 yabo was playing with it .. but he left Sep 19 22:13:42 MichaelShiloh, I'm downloading 2008.9 right now. Sep 19 22:13:43 that is the new point release of om2008, that is release today Sep 19 22:14:21 hmm I will have a look Sep 19 22:14:52 what's this new splash? Sep 19 22:15:13 the first image that appear on the neo when it's bootin Sep 19 22:15:16 TAsn: I think they have updated the splash screen Sep 19 22:15:37 that yellow-orange image Sep 19 22:15:48 oh ;] Sep 19 22:15:48 cool. Sep 19 22:15:56 qtopia is up Sep 19 22:15:57 isn't that included in uboot\distro? Sep 19 22:16:00 now then Sep 19 22:16:08 it wont accept my pincode Sep 19 22:16:13 apparently (I didn't know either) Sep 19 22:16:48 oops Sep 19 22:16:51 yabo: it won't accept you input? or it's telling you it's wrong? Sep 19 22:17:02 well... it keeps asking for the code Sep 19 22:17:13 until it finally told me gsm was unavailable Sep 19 22:17:23 hmmm Sep 19 22:17:32 soo... do i put my simcard into another phone and disable the pincheck before i start using it with the fr? Sep 19 22:17:44 network registration denied Sep 19 22:17:48 KenYoung: i found gps worked right away, wifi accepted my password but doesn't seem to have connected yet. Sep 19 22:18:16 btw. Do I need to flash the gta02 ones, or the ones with no device indication? Sep 19 22:18:34 MichaelShiloh, I only had spotty success with WiFi on 2008.8. Sep 19 22:20:00 dolf1074: they're all the same (same md5) ... just shorter easier names i guess Sep 19 22:20:14 sicu:thanks Sep 19 22:23:08 i have updated my bb file for wesnoth and updated wesnoth...i'm testing it and networking seems to work... Sep 19 22:30:41 Gnutoo: Nice :) Sep 19 22:31:13 CM, i'm taking with oe guys for including it in oe... Sep 19 22:31:56 do people still have problems with some microSD cards and the FR? Sep 19 22:33:32 mwihi Sep 19 22:33:34 the stylus is fun :- Sep 19 22:33:35 R Sep 19 22:36:11 yabo: the stylus has one redeeming feature, kitty cats love to chase the red dot :) Sep 19 22:36:17 :DD Sep 19 22:36:36 sadly it does not last that long Sep 19 22:36:47 I think I have burnt mine out Sep 19 22:37:22 replaced the batteries etc and it only lasts about 5 seconds Sep 19 22:37:42 quit works!!! Sep 19 22:37:56 gah Sep 19 22:38:08 writing text-messages with qtopia is awful :O Sep 19 22:39:01 * Tig|_ trolls and suggests the qtopia bit was not needed :) Sep 19 22:40:12 dolf1074 is thankful qtopia exists Sep 19 22:40:27 Tig|, actually as weird as it sounds, im comfortable with illume's terminal keyboard, i get the right key 90%+ of the time. Sep 19 22:40:30 which is cool. ;] Sep 19 22:41:11 I use dictionary with the normal keyboard delivered with om2008.8 and I'm also quit happy Sep 19 22:44:19 cygwin Sep 19 22:44:22 can you Sep 19 22:44:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Sep 19 22:44:34 i want the iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Sep 19 22:44:34 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Sep 19 22:44:34 stuff Sep 19 22:44:43 in windows Sep 19 22:46:09 yabo, i think, though not sure that it's called bridging in windows. Sep 19 22:46:12 cya and gn. Sep 19 22:46:30 alright, thanks Sep 19 22:51:14 Does anyone know how to completely prevent qpe from going on a CPU bound treasure hunt for media files after every reboot in 2008.8/9 ? Sep 19 22:51:59 is 2008.9 out? Sep 19 22:52:06 i do not see it in the topic... Sep 19 22:52:27 Gnutoo, Yup. It's officially available now. Sep 19 22:53:25 KenYoung, ok...i must reinstall evrything? firefox,wesnoth,etc... Sep 19 22:53:44 Gnutoo, Yup, I think so. Sep 19 22:54:18 Gnutoo, Except if it's on the microSD, of course. Sep 19 22:56:14 +1 for the splash, whoever has made it Sep 19 23:10:23 so Sep 19 23:10:25 what is strange is that there are some ticket that are still open...usually(correct me if i'm wrong) they release when there is no more tickets open http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/milestone/Om2008.9 Sep 19 23:11:03 every piece of software has tickets open at release Sep 19 23:11:20 ah ok... Sep 19 23:11:31 so where should i found it? Sep 19 23:11:41 Gnutoo, I suspect they figured they had made enough improvements to make a new release useful, and waiting for every ticket to close would deprive users of a software stack that was, on balance, better. Sep 19 23:11:47 i just ran opkg update Sep 19 23:11:49 * mwester chokes as he clamps his mouth shut and bites down on his tongue mmhNNNynn! NNNNHmmmmmM! Sep 19 23:11:55 all i got was alot of errors Sep 19 23:11:56 ? Sep 19 23:15:00 yabo: you followed the instructions in the release announcement, right? Sep 19 23:16:28 ...no :-S Sep 19 23:16:38 im reading the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Sep 19 23:18:39 rwhitby, What instructions? The email doesn't seem to have any postinstallation steps. It points to the repository, listst the QA reports, has a link to the outstanding issues, but nothing about installation instructions that I saw. Sep 19 23:19:00 * yabo pokes Sep 19 23:19:04 so what do i do? Sep 19 23:20:24 * rwhitby uses his crystal ball to guess what errors yabo got ... Sep 19 23:20:30 ~pastebin Sep 19 23:20:31 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Sep 19 23:23:58 * rwhitby guesses that yabo is missing /etc/resolv.conf, since that's the most common opkg problem which OM should have fixed months ago ... Sep 19 23:24:06 OH Sep 19 23:24:08 right Sep 19 23:24:11 forgot to set dns Sep 19 23:24:14 silly me Sep 19 23:24:59 note that pastebin'ing the opkg errors would have indicated this to anyone experienced in the channel, so not doing so dramatically reduced your chance of getting a helpful response Sep 19 23:25:03 rwhitby, I've got resolve.conf fixed, I can contact externam sites, but I still can't install packages with opgk such as gpsd, now that I've installed 2008.9 . Sep 19 23:25:16 im working on it :P Sep 19 23:25:30 http://paste.rootmybox.org/index.php?show=565 Sep 19 23:25:31 KenYoung: where are the feeds pointing to? Sep 19 23:26:08 * rwhitby guesses that OM hasn't run task-openmoko-feed for the 2008.9 feeds ... Sep 19 23:27:08 rwhitby, I don't know - is there an option I can pass to opkg which will have it tell me where it's trying to fetch the package from? Or is that not what you were asking? Sep 19 23:27:08 * mwester just shakes his head sadly Sep 19 23:28:09 Hi there Sep 19 23:28:50 openmoko on engadget again Sep 19 23:29:16 KenYoung: cat /etc/opkg/*.conf Sep 19 23:29:19 I have a bitbake/recipe related question: can somebody tell me how I have to format the SRC_URI if I want to fetch a svn repos via http? Sep 19 23:29:31 Oh, on the third try, opkg found and installed gpsd... Sep 19 23:29:41 ;proto=http on the end I think Sep 19 23:29:59 rwhitby: I tried that but it does not seem to work... Sep 19 23:31:30 Kensan: best to ask in #oe then Sep 19 23:31:53 rwhitby: ok thanks. Sep 19 23:31:57 kensan i know how to do it for cvs so i guess similar accept prefix is svn Sep 19 23:32:28 SRC_URI = "cvs://anonymous@cvs.projects.openmoko.org/cvsroot/..... Sep 19 23:32:36 Kensan: http://bec-systems.com/oe/html/src_uri_variable.html Sep 19 23:34:29 thanks for the help. As I suspected, I messed up the "module=.." part so it could not find the path. shame on me Sep 19 23:37:33 My fresh flash of 2008.9 doesn't seem to find GSM, and on reboot, it just hangs in the new splash screen. Sep 19 23:38:05 What are people using on their phones? Sep 19 23:38:19 paulproteus, THe first reboot is often unusually slow - how long has it been stalled? Sep 19 23:38:33 mostly cocaine and other snortables Sep 19 23:38:36 (first boot after reflashing rootfs) Sep 19 23:38:38 fso-testing Sep 19 23:38:39 oh you meant software? Sep 19 23:39:35 The first boot after the flash was fine. Sep 19 23:39:42 I launched some Qtopia apps, albeit slowly. Sep 19 23:39:45 It's the next boot that's hanging. Sep 19 23:39:55 * rwhitby waits for directory to be known as partition Sep 19 23:39:56 It's been about 10 minutes, maybe 30? Sep 19 23:39:58 I haven't been keeping track. Sep 19 23:40:14 rwhitby, How are you liking fso-testing? Sep 19 23:40:23 paulproteus, I have not seen that behavior - I installed 2008.9, and many reboots afterwar gone normally.ds have Sep 19 23:40:36 KenYoung, I could try erasing the rootfs and re-flashing it. Sep 19 23:40:51 partition: disk, san, internet? Sep 19 23:41:00 moo Sep 19 23:41:18 paulproteus, Have you checked the md5sums? Sep 19 23:41:22 I have a vague feeling I'd prefer FSO since it's more The Future, but all my other phones have failed so I actually want to be fairly sure that (even if I have keep it charged) I can put something on my Neo that'll work moderately well as a phone. Sep 19 23:41:27 KenYoung, Will do so now. Sep 19 23:41:37 paulproteus, Perhaps your download wasn't complete. Sep 19 23:41:38 anyone FSO-ish here? :) I get modprobe: FATAL: error inserting ppp_mppe Sep 19 23:42:17 ceda: what's the error message in dmesg? Sep 19 23:42:25 md5sum -c md5sums says it's okay. Sep 19 23:42:26 I just filed http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/149 since I can't get GPRS to work the same it did with FSO M2 Sep 19 23:42:57 rwhitby: uhm, logread in trac will do I hope? Sep 19 23:43:12 ceda: thx Sep 19 23:43:18 I just flashed FSO M2 back to prove (to myself) that I can get it to work Sep 19 23:43:28 Maybe I'll just try fso-testing. rwhitby or others: is http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/images/ canonical and reasonable to use? Sep 19 23:43:41 rwhitby: your welcome. Please tell me if there's anything I can do (test) to help out Sep 19 23:44:44 rwhitby: thanks for your attention. I hope you can reproduce it and have mickey fix it ;) Sep 19 23:44:59 paulproteus: I'm testing that image now on gta01, it should be ok to use Sep 19 23:45:15 Do you have an 02, out of curiosity? Sep 19 23:45:17 And what is it like on GTA01? Sep 19 23:45:44 I have a broken gta02, and it works the same on 01 as 02, since fso has been careful to continue gta01 support Sep 19 23:45:58 Cool. Sep 19 23:46:03 Er, which is the JFFS to download to flash for GTA02? Sep 19 23:46:08 There are a few JFFSs. Sep 19 23:46:20 there should be only one with gta02 in the name Sep 19 23:46:34 ah, choose the .summaru Sep 19 23:47:04 Okay. Sep 19 23:47:05 either would work, the .summary is just faster to boot Sep 19 23:47:34 Okay. Sep 19 23:48:07 paulproteus: note that I don't use the gta as a phone usually, (since it doesn't come close to treo650 useability) so take my recommendation with a grain of salt. Sep 19 23:48:10 On GTA01, I got the sense after a while that power management would be hopeless on that hardware. Sep 19 23:48:21 * paulproteus nods re: salt Sep 19 23:48:42 What is your power management experience on GTA01? Sep 19 23:48:51 dunno, it's usually plugged in Sep 19 23:49:12 Okay. Sep 19 23:53:05 rwhitby: is there any point in me trying gprs with the "official" M3 release? Sep 19 23:54:11 or will I just be one step closer to wearing my flash memory out (rendering the phone totally useless) Sep 19 23:55:16 Dave, http://www.beatportal.com/uploads/news/1221624941_Sandwich.jpg (thanks for the sandwich) Sep 19 23:55:17 lol Sep 19 23:56:11 daMaestro, What the heck is that? Sep 19 23:56:38 paulproteus, the sandwich that Dave got me. he knows i like sandwiches (if you log this channel, you'll get the joke) Sep 19 23:57:14 holy *** on a sandwich Sep 19 23:57:26 Guess I don't read it enough! Sep 20 00:00:37 ceda: you'd have to flash more than 100 times per day to wear the phone out within 3 years Sep 20 00:01:09 Hi room Sep 20 00:02:26 rwhitby: feels like I'm 2 years and 10 months away then :) Sep 20 00:03:33 I have a few questions about setting up gprs in FDOM for t-mobile, any one willing to give a hand? Sep 20 00:04:48 lawnjart: if you have FSO, please try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO (under Until there's a GUI) Sep 20 00:08:05 thanks I may switch to FSO, I'm having no luck with FDOM, and I've been trying hard for a week now. Sep 20 00:12:24 doesn't FDOM include FSO? Sep 20 00:15:13 lawnjart wats the problem? Sep 20 00:15:29 rwhitby, I just flashed my GTA02 to fso-dev from that page, and held power down for three second to I think put the phone to sleep. Sep 20 00:15:59 But pressing and holding power for 3s doesn't seem to wake it up. What is the expected way to put the phone in and out of sleep? Sep 20 00:16:54 Maybe doing that turned it off, but pressing and holding AUX+POWER for 5s doesn't bring up the NAND menu either. Sep 20 00:17:14 I'm new, and if fdom has FSo Incorporated then I've been looking at the wrong ppp scripts, Sep 20 00:17:59 or instructions Sep 20 00:18:53 Er, yeah, now I don't know how to turn it on. Sep 20 00:19:17 What I would give something that told me what power state the Neo is in. Sep 20 00:23:00 Well, there, I rebooted. Sep 20 00:23:12 By removing and reinserting the battery with the USB cable unplugged. Sep 20 00:27:24 ok I just checked the wiki, I don't think FDOM has FOS, is any running FDOM right now Sep 20 00:28:04 and have gprs running Sep 20 00:32:42 nice :) Sep 20 00:33:30 lawnjart: no, sorry. It's too late here (2:30 in the night) - I'm mixing it up with SHB or SBH Sep 20 00:33:43 SHR even :P Sep 20 00:33:52 http://shr.bearstech.com/ Sep 20 00:36:35 Yay, fso-dev is treating me well so far. Sep 20 00:36:40 I'm still worried about sleep, though. Sep 20 00:40:03 anyone happen to know how to set up at&t gophone voicemail from a moko? Sep 20 00:54:16 sorry cjb I'mno help Sep 20 00:54:52 paulproteus: fso-testing or fso-unstable? (no such thing as fso-dev) Sep 20 00:55:07 fso-testing, sorry. Sep 20 00:56:18 paulproteus: for suspend, press power for > 1, < 5 secs, and be patient - it takes a while after button release to actually suspend Sep 20 00:56:40 There we go! Sep 20 00:56:41 Thanks! Sep 20 00:56:51 * paulproteus dials and checks for wake on ring Sep 20 00:57:14 Hmm, don't see much waking going on here. Sep 20 00:57:42 rwhitby, And to wake from suspend? Sep 20 00:57:52 * paulproteus tries power for 1.5 seconds again, to no avail Sep 20 00:58:01 hmm Sep 20 00:58:12 paulproteus: short press on power to wake. Sep 20 00:58:21 my fso-testing image just woke up on call recieve Sep 20 00:58:27 Hmm. Sep 20 00:58:50 I think my phone might be off again. Sep 20 00:58:58 I really miss the actual usability of my SE M600i :( the jog wheel + two buttons made lots of things easy to access Sep 20 00:58:58 But in the weird state where pressing and holding power lots of times does nothing. Sep 20 00:59:00 (I'm on gta01 remember, so gta02 could easily be different) Sep 20 00:59:07 * paulproteus nods re: GTA01 vs. 02 Sep 20 00:59:48 paulproteus: are you sure that it's just not the screen that fails from waking up? Sep 20 01:00:09 because that happens to me very often Sep 20 01:00:35 ceda, As far as I can tell, dmesg reports at sleep time the cdc_ethernet went away, but hasn't come back yet. Sep 20 01:01:45 ok Sep 20 01:10:48 Do other people have their neos fall into this ignores-power-button state? Sep 20 01:11:11 yup Sep 20 01:11:17 paulproteus: It can do that if stuff dies Sep 20 01:11:45 im torn between shr an 2008.9 Sep 20 01:11:56 shr it is Sep 20 01:13:03 im going to do opkg upgrade to an FDOM 09172008 just to see first Sep 20 01:13:23 What's the right way to recover from the ignores-power-button state, remove and reinsert battery? Sep 20 01:13:42 yes Sep 20 01:13:50 or ssh to it and shutdown Sep 20 01:13:55 if you can do that Sep 20 01:16:03 the angstorm vervion is only going from 09172008 to 09202008 Sep 20 01:16:38 so Sep 20 01:17:17 It's a case of all the right stuff -- just a little bit too soon, I suspect. "ompower" daemon, apm, and other user-space stuff is all the right stuff to have, but there's some instability somewhere in the ASU userspace stuff that seems to go very badly for suspend/resume. Sep 20 01:17:51 ff Sep 20 01:18:23 FSO does really quite well, but it's incomplete. Qtopia is almost there; just missing a couple of simple things to force flowcontrol on the GSM -- with that applied, I've found it works astonishingly well. Sep 20 01:19:35 :) My wife was astonished today as well, when I called her on it -- and she called me back and I actually was able to answer it. :) That's never happened before on any GTA0x here. Sep 20 01:19:44 Very promising developments lately. Sep 20 01:20:08 so shr or 2008.9? Sep 20 01:20:18 mwester, "called her on it" = FSO? Sep 20 01:20:29 shr isnt' done yet. and 2008.9 is just more of the same as 2008.8. Sep 20 01:20:33 Or Qtopia + flow control? Sep 20 01:20:33 Yeah, I've started using it as a real phone too. Weird feeling... Sep 20 01:20:35 paulproteus: Qtopia. Sep 20 01:20:50 Qtopia is by far the best; FSO is the most promising. Sep 20 01:20:53 mwester, URL for "simple things"? Sep 20 01:21:10 Not written up yet, will be done before the weekend is over. :) Sep 20 01:21:15 mwester, Okay (-: Sep 20 01:21:31 Any quick hints for now as to what to flash? Sep 20 01:21:32 :) It doesn't even need a new kernel! Sep 20 01:21:53 Flash the latest Qtopia image Sep 20 01:22:08 Or the latest FSO MS3 image -- whichever you prefer. Sep 20 01:23:07 * paulproteus follows http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=79 believing it is the latest Qtopia Sep 20 01:24:03 Oh, there is a 2008-09-02 4.3.3 preview flash. Sep 20 01:24:14 http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=83 Sep 20 01:24:16 :) Sep 20 01:24:31 Just found it. (-: Sep 20 01:24:32 And for kernel? Sep 20 01:24:40 I have an fso-testing kernel right now. Sep 20 01:24:58 That might work. Should be a kernel in that image tarball. Sep 20 01:25:08 Cool, I'll use the one in the Qtopia download then. Sep 20 01:25:59 I'll have an updated kernel for Qtopia (among other things, if I can sort out all the defconfigs!) as well; nothing needs patching for Qtopia or anything, just an updated kernel with the latest -stable updates. Sep 20 01:26:14 (might help out some wireless issues, IIRC) Sep 20 01:26:15 * paulproteus nods Sep 20 01:26:22 Should I expect to hear about it on community@, or what? Sep 20 01:26:31 Nope, on -devel Sep 20 01:26:36 Okay, great. Sep 20 01:27:01 I'm also looking for guinea pigs, er, volunteers I mean. Sep 20 01:27:14 Folks with the problem described in bug 1024. Sep 20 01:27:22 Need data and logs. Sep 20 01:27:44 mwester: are you on FSO? Sep 20 01:27:49 +working Sep 20 01:28:00 mwester, If you tell me what to log, I will enable logs in case I find myself affected by that. Sep 20 01:28:00 Qtopia mainly, but I think one here is running FSO. Sep 20 01:28:33 mwester: mine's oscillating (at least with the FSO M2 image I'm running now) Sep 20 01:28:41 BTW, are you as afraid to put your GTA02 to sleep as I am? Sep 20 01:29:02 every first call I make through FSO dbus to do something (GetSimInfo or ActivateContext for gprs) and it disconnects Sep 20 01:29:03 paulproteus: if you don't know if you have the problem, I can assure you that you are unaffected ;) Sep 20 01:29:17 mwester, Well, I've hardly been using it (-; Sep 20 01:30:24 Oh you'd notice -- every 30 seconds it drops from the cellular network, and then reconnects -- it's quite obvious. But when you establish a call -- it holds the network just fine. Sep 20 01:31:02 https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 Sep 20 01:31:06 mwester: I have that right now Sep 20 01:31:26 (it just dropped to No service) Sep 20 01:31:32 Cool. Sep 20 01:31:41 and now it's back Sep 20 01:32:12 but I really need to go to bed Sep 20 01:32:12 mwester, Very well. (-: Sep 20 01:32:15 And re-registered, with the same carrier -- and while connected, the signal strength appears to be fine? Sep 20 01:32:44 ceda: if you can collect a log file, I'd be very interested to see if the timing and pattern matches. Sep 20 01:33:50 mwester: I'm on a FSO M2 image right now Sep 20 01:34:11 not sure what/how to do (it) Sep 20 01:34:23 Ok. I'm working with M3, and that's the one I have instrumented code for... so that's the one I'd prefer to continue to work with. Sep 20 01:34:36 (too many distros otherwise, and MS2 is obsolete) Sep 20 01:34:43 yes I know Sep 20 01:35:05 I just put it in to to make sure I wasn't fooling any one regarding that gprs is broken in M3 testing Sep 20 01:35:13 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/149 Sep 20 01:35:48 mwester: would it be helpful if I gave you access to my phone while I go to sleep? :) Sep 20 01:35:57 paulproteus: I just put my GTA02 w/FSO MS3 to sleep (hold the power button for a few seconds), and then woke it back up. Sep 20 01:36:12 ceda: :-o I'll sell it on eBay! :D Sep 20 01:36:23 When I just did that with fso-testing, it went into a state where it ignores future power button presses. Sep 20 01:36:27 hehe, I mean remote :) Sep 20 01:36:36 ceda: best to wait until you get MS3 loaded. Sep 20 01:36:49 mwester: but I mean with MS3 loaded Sep 20 01:36:53 paulproteus: Do you know if the kernel with fso-testing is a -stable kernel or a -andy kernel? Sep 20 01:36:59 ...no idea. Sep 20 01:36:59 The -andy kernel won't resume. Sep 20 01:37:08 I see. Sep 20 01:37:12 ceda: I'd prefer just logs; safer. Sep 20 01:37:28 I just started flashing Qtopia. Sep 20 01:37:32 paulproteus: Try flashing the kernel from the MS3 release instead Sep 20 01:37:44 I understand Sep 20 01:37:48 Oh, well then go give Qtopia a try. Sep 20 01:37:54 good night folks Sep 20 01:37:57 gn Sep 20 01:38:00 Good night, ceda! Sep 20 01:38:07 mwester, I see the kernel in this tarball has your name on it! Sep 20 01:38:11 :) Sep 20 01:38:24 That's why it doesn't need any kernel patches for suspend/resume. Sep 20 01:38:46 (not to say there aren't more patches required, just that all patches that are written are included) Sep 20 01:39:00 Naturally. Sep 20 01:39:34 paulproteus: GTA01 or GTA02? Sep 20 01:39:42 02 Sep 20 01:39:43 I also have an 01. Sep 20 01:39:55 Ah, I thought I remember you being around for a while. Sep 20 01:39:56 And a few spare SIMs. Sep 20 01:39:58 (-: Sep 20 01:40:15 I'm Asheesh Laroia, if you've seen me on mailing lists from time to time. Sep 20 01:40:31 ah - you were on the SHR list as well. Sep 20 01:40:36 Yes. (-: Sep 20 01:40:46 My time for OM is very bursty.... Sep 20 01:40:52 Like so many, I'm sure. Sep 20 01:42:16 I actually had a pre-mass-production GTA01. Sep 20 01:42:22 It's somewhere in Baltimore with a friend who did the solder fix. Sep 20 01:42:29 (I'm in San Francisco instead.) Sep 20 01:45:32 I'm in the middle; outer 'burbs near Chicago. Sep 20 01:45:50 Nice. Sep 20 01:46:06 Yeah, it's a different sort of world, technology-wise. Sep 20 01:46:38 High-tech, almost all embedded, but always one step lagging in terms of "state-of-the-art"... Sep 20 01:47:03 Most of what I hear about here is web startups. Sep 20 01:47:58 * paulproteus boots Qtopia Sep 20 01:47:59 gotta run for a moment -- bbiab Sep 20 01:48:03 Sure. Sep 20 01:57:36 i have shr unstable installing Sep 20 01:59:38 dfgf Sep 20 02:02:42 ~shr Sep 20 02:02:43 shr is probably Stable Hybrid Release, a combination of the FSO, some of the 2007.2 GTK software, and the ASU that provides all of the functionality of the 2007.2 software, but with the stability of the FSO. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release Sep 20 02:03:55 ~why Sep 20 02:03:56 Why? Because you touch yourself at night. Sep 20 02:04:35 ~how Sep 20 02:05:28 which shr image to use? Sep 20 02:08:47 ~why Sep 20 02:08:48 Why? Because you touch yourself at night. Sep 20 02:37:22 ~ why Sep 20 02:37:23 Why? Because you touch yourself at night. Sep 20 02:37:43 are the batteries compatiable between the freerunner and neo1973? Sep 20 02:37:51 dgilmore, Yes. Sep 20 02:39:01 paulproteus: hmm i ordered a spare kit because i suspected a faulty battery and it keeps switching off Sep 20 02:39:25 its plugged into a computer should i leave it plugged into a wall overnight? Sep 20 02:39:43 dgilmore, You should plug it into a wall to charge it, if it does switch off before it succeeds at charging. Sep 20 02:42:17 paulproteus: thanks Sep 20 02:42:30 Sure thing. (-: Sep 20 02:48:00 opkg update/upgrade on a 2008.8 install should (except for kernel?) cover everything in 2008.9, right? Sep 20 02:55:59 stephelton: nice question, i wanted to ask a similar question concerning the respository to use Sep 20 02:57:07 will there be a new repository folder for 2008.9 or should i use the one for 2008.8 instead? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 20 02:59:57 2008