**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 29 02:59:57 2008 Sep 29 03:02:26 ... Sep 29 03:02:28 you sure, kelvie? Sep 29 03:02:46 seems odd that sound would get louder as you get closer to it's source Sep 29 03:14:15 can someone tell me howto close kobodelux? Sep 29 03:17:25 ok i got it Sep 29 04:21:14 has the sim reading code changed for 2008.8 and 2008.9? Sep 29 04:21:18 my sim card is no longer read in 2008.9 Sep 29 04:21:39 and is that handled by the kernel? Sep 29 05:10:17 cant seem to copy any music to the sdcard Sep 29 06:08:42 openmoko: 03werner * r4680 10/developers/werner/neodog/ (. Makefile event.c neodog.c neodog.h pmu.c): Tough watchdog daemon. Sep 29 06:21:16 morning all Sep 29 06:25:54 nite all Sep 29 06:26:00 lol Sep 29 06:26:14 u must be in europe Sep 29 06:29:29 ma uero-homies Sep 29 06:29:35 euro Sep 29 06:39:57 i'm in europe Sep 29 06:40:03 Spain Sep 29 06:40:39 Contrary to popular belief not all of the world lives in US :P Sep 29 06:42:02 what?! Sep 29 06:42:07 word to my spanish homies! Sep 29 06:42:19 ola! Sep 29 06:43:42 700 billion devided by 300 million = ? Sep 29 06:43:58 hola Sep 29 06:44:31 what billion? american one or european one? Sep 29 06:44:37 usa Sep 29 06:44:52 slaxxin: 5k per person Sep 29 06:45:05 is that all? Sep 29 06:45:43 not too bad Sep 29 06:45:52 i vote that us taxpayers fund said bailout Sep 29 06:45:53 :) Sep 29 06:46:41 slaxxin: all? probably not Sep 29 06:46:53 given estimates are about 2 trillion in reality Sep 29 06:47:13 and then you have the devaluation of the dollar on top of it, what with the US debt growing by a further 2 trillion Sep 29 06:47:38 these are the same asshats who said the Iraq invasion would cost 50 billion, it's now much closer to a trillion Sep 29 06:48:32 rapage in america Sep 29 06:49:23 you're math is off, it's far less than $5k Sep 29 06:49:35 700b / 300m is $2.333... k Sep 29 06:50:17 doc|home: at least those asshats arent using my $ for the bailout :) Sep 29 06:50:50 the issue is that the average american is also the asshat, hehe Sep 29 06:50:59 raster: well, they kinda are, it's going to devalue the dollar and the dollar is the reserve currency of the world, the dollars your country's central banks hold will be worth less, which means inflation in your country will rise Sep 29 06:51:17 the price of oil will rise, anything else priced in dollars too Sep 29 06:51:40 doc|home: i already stashed my $ in euros and various other currencies. i have my bets hedged outside the $USई) Sep 29 06:51:41 asshole companies set themselves up to fail by convincing ignorant americans to buy houses they couldn't afford, and/or take out equity lines on their house to use as a shopping spree Sep 29 06:51:43 :) Sep 29 06:52:05 raster: makes no difference, they ECB is doing currency swaps constantly to stop the euro from increasing in value too much Sep 29 06:52:07 and also i have my money sunk into oil companies Sep 29 06:52:12 if u can't beat them Sep 29 06:52:13 join them! Sep 29 06:52:14 :) Sep 29 06:52:14 all currencies are being devalued Sep 29 06:52:23 hehe, oil is a safe investment Sep 29 06:52:27 a currency only devalues RELATIVE to another Sep 29 06:52:31 ieatlint: it is, and silver, gold Sep 29 06:52:36 otherwise ua re only discussing inflation Sep 29 06:52:40 raster: not true, its buying power can be lost Sep 29 06:52:42 nah, silver and gold are not Sep 29 06:52:49 yup Sep 29 06:52:51 inflation Sep 29 06:52:51 they are high now -- and expected to go even higher Sep 29 06:52:52 raster: inflation is the increase in money supply Sep 29 06:52:52 :) Sep 29 06:53:01 but they are known for rapid fluxuations Sep 29 06:53:14 i'm not worried Sep 29 06:53:15 raster: nope, you can have inflation in all prices in all currencies at the same time Sep 29 06:53:20 my money is in resources and mining Sep 29 06:53:23 ie resources Sep 29 06:53:25 raster: smart Sep 29 06:53:26 the stuff that goes up in price Sep 29 06:53:32 ieatlint: they are low now Sep 29 06:53:33 just invest in the yuan :P Sep 29 06:53:38 thus.. "i dont care" Sep 29 06:53:48 $13 an ounce silver is cheaper Sep 29 06:53:51 i'm still sitting on a small mountain of proft Sep 29 06:53:52 doc|home, compared to a decade ago, they're high Sep 29 06:53:52 raster: your euros? Sep 29 06:53:56 even after the past 12 months Sep 29 06:54:00 ieatlint: eh, not really Sep 29 06:54:13 a decade ago they were record lows if i recall right Sep 29 06:54:17 i have euros, soon to grow a small family of CHF, and $AU, Sep 29 06:54:26 ieatlint: sure, their value in dollars is lower :) Sep 29 06:54:33 i have some also stashed in yen and $TWD and $HKD Sep 29 06:55:00 lpotter: just received yet another Nokia/Trolltech announcement this time Qt4.4.3, any hint on when we can expect a Qtopia update ? Sep 29 06:55:24 fletch: when it's ready :) Sep 29 06:55:30 * doc|home wants it too :/ Sep 29 06:56:34 crup Sep 29 07:09:21 Is there any overview over the modules in the 2008.9 software stack anywhere? Sep 29 07:40:49 hey guys. does anyone have the motorola a780. I'm looking for a way to install CoPilot maps from a linux mashine Sep 29 08:19:55 good morning Sep 29 08:25:11 <[df]> morning! Sep 29 08:49:43 muhahahahhahaha! Sep 29 08:49:47 * raster laughs evilly Sep 29 08:49:56 my creation is almost complete! Sep 29 08:50:14 <_Bill_> rasterstein? Sep 29 08:50:32 MUHHAHAHHA Sep 29 08:51:07 raster: do elaborate (: Sep 29 08:51:11 * raster waits for the thunder and lightning to punctuate his maniacal laughter Sep 29 08:51:22 "fixing" openembedded... Sep 29 08:51:26 man its got some ugly hacks... Sep 29 08:51:38 <_Bill_> lol.. you also have to harvest the lightning to put life into your creation... Sep 29 08:52:08 <_Bill_> but do share your genius with the world... Sep 29 08:52:29 ... Sep 29 08:52:59 please say it is a phone app for FSO :) Sep 29 08:54:09 * lpotter is not hearing and thunder or seeing any lightning... Sep 29 08:54:46 FilipLinux4: soon! ;) Sep 29 08:55:14 :D Sep 29 08:57:52 going down hard soon due to CPU temp probably Sep 29 08:59:01 xt: building my own ditro/image Sep 29 08:59:04 distro Sep 29 08:59:12 based on fso? Sep 29 08:59:15 i need to split out splashscreen for x from the xserver-kdrive-common stuff Sep 29 08:59:20 it really should be a package on its own Sep 29 08:59:53 xt: well.. i started with fso. but i've removed pretty much "fso" for performance for now Sep 29 08:59:58 it also makes the image much smaller Sep 29 08:59:59 :) Sep 29 09:00:18 yeh, but you plan on using the dbus-stuff in fso ? Sep 29 09:00:25 i have fixed up a seksie exquisite bootsplash theme Sep 29 09:00:35 and e/eillume theme is not done - but sexier... Sep 29 09:00:42 one last plash image to do... Sep 29 09:00:57 sounds like fun (: Sep 29 09:01:02 xt: yes. when frameworkd stops eating up 50% of my cpu if i drag my dinger around.. it'll go back on Sep 29 09:01:03 :) Sep 29 09:01:03 whatever schmuck designed this laptop was a schmuck Sep 29 09:01:26 as it can't seem to sustain its full 1.6 GHz without overheating unless it's hooked up to an external fan :( Sep 29 09:01:28 probably a team of them Sep 29 09:03:32 lpotter: is qtopia release waiting to get re-branded as well ? Sep 29 09:06:02 I'm going back to qtopia 4.3 Sep 29 09:06:15 Hopefully 4.4 will be out in the near future Sep 29 09:07:38 <_Bill_> raster: i got the same impression of fso last time i tried it.. slow as hell.. Sep 29 09:07:54 _Bill_: it will all get fixed Sep 29 09:07:59 right now though.. my image is fast Sep 29 09:08:01 boots fast Sep 29 09:08:02 _Bill_: slow startup but I think it works just ok when it's up Sep 29 09:08:03 runs fast Sep 29 09:08:06 smells fast Sep 29 09:08:08 loosk fast Sep 29 09:08:10 tastest fast Sep 29 09:08:13 <_Bill_> ceda: not really.. Sep 29 09:08:19 <_Bill_> raster: gimmegimmegimme Sep 29 09:08:25 gtive me a few mins Sep 29 09:08:26 raster: boots how fast? Sep 29 09:08:34 umm.,, Sep 29 09:09:08 raster, but does it have any support for the gsm modem? Sep 29 09:09:27 let me time it Sep 29 09:09:32 ia zero Sep 29 09:09:36 ieatlint: zero Sep 29 09:09:43 no phone apps or infra on it at all Sep 29 09:09:51 its a really basic "boot to a gui" image Sep 29 09:09:53 with 3 apps Sep 29 09:09:56 :) Sep 29 09:10:02 <_Bill_> raster: lol... Sep 29 09:10:03 terminal, screenshot and alarm test app Sep 29 09:10:04 logout, shutdown, suspend? Sep 29 09:10:27 how about minicom and a tty for the modem? :P Sep 29 09:10:32 doesnt ven have that stuff Sep 29 09:10:40 "come one, there's minicom and terminal app, it's functional" Sep 29 09:10:49 err, come on ... :P Sep 29 09:10:55 boot time till dull orkign gui: 1:20 Sep 29 09:10:57 we Sep 29 09:10:59 full orking Sep 29 09:11:02 working Sep 29 09:11:16 this isnt itended tobe a phone imae.. yet Sep 29 09:11:23 just me gettign my house in order Sep 29 09:11:29 raster: So, booting into nothing is pretty fast? That's great news. lol Sep 29 09:11:30 eveything cleaned up and fixed int he basic desktop Sep 29 09:11:44 xt: doesnt matter how many apps would be istalled - t' boot the same Sep 29 09:11:49 its all about how much u RN on boot Sep 29 09:12:01 as such frameworkd is pretty slow right now Sep 29 09:12:05 grea proof of cncep Sep 29 09:12:07 well, stuff like gsmd/gpsd/dropbear etc all takes time to start Sep 29 09:12:08 concept Sep 29 09:12:19 great Sep 29 09:12:29 still have ropa Sep 29 09:12:42 damn freeruners fucking up my kbbbbbbbbbb Sep 29 09:13:16 ot dropbear tillneed mvoe hatto "post boot' sttup Sep 29 09:13:16 gpsd isn't started on boot Sep 29 09:13:26 gah! Sep 29 09:13:41 fucking RF intrfence Sep 29 09:13:46 and yeah, dropbear is not needed mostly... Sep 29 09:13:53 hehe, is someone enjoying the gsm interference? Sep 29 09:13:56 ieatlint: not neeed? Sep 29 09:14:02 ieatlint: no. i think its wifi Sep 29 09:14:08 my kbd is wireless Sep 29 09:14:17 andany freerunner near my kbd screws up my yping Sep 29 09:14:31 raster, what i mean is that you only use it under very specific circumstances (ie, plugged into a computer) Sep 29 09:14:51 ieatlint: oh sure Sep 29 09:14:53 somehow, to me, it doesn't seem insane to not run it until you actually want/need to ssh into the damned thing Sep 29 09:15:01 its a farily stripped down base shell for me to put stuffinto Sep 29 09:15:09 its enough to do work/debugging and build on top of Sep 29 09:15:26 i need to work on cleaning up the boot a bit more Sep 29 09:17:33 muhahaha! Sep 29 09:17:34 it works Sep 29 09:23:15 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 09:23:20 happy flashing! Sep 29 09:23:40 new OS images... fresh from the oven Sep 29 09:23:45 35 M Sep 29 09:23:46 (: Sep 29 09:27:07 hey raster, you mind if i ask you another edje question, or do i just come off as annoying? :) Sep 29 09:27:30 raster: would this be a suitable candidate to put qtopia on top of it ? Sep 29 09:28:35 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2a92992ece19 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Assign the features correctly Sep 29 09:28:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r48f1174179c6 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/const.py: Sep 29 09:28:36 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change regex for SMS PDU header Sep 29 09:28:36 freesmartphone.org: This fixes a bug where RetrieveMessage would not be able to return the Sep 29 09:28:38 freesmartphone.org: SMS if the destination address or origination address is not stored as a Sep 29 09:28:40 freesmartphone.org: contact on the SIM card. Sep 29 09:57:38 fli qtopia on top? no. it's x11 based. Sep 29 09:57:42 ieatlint: ok Sep 29 09:57:51 xt: yeah. nice and small. "no frills" Sep 29 09:57:52 :) Sep 29 09:58:19 hm, it sucks that i cant use dfu-util to backup my image Sep 29 09:58:31 I want to try yours, but that means wiping my existing stuff :/ Sep 29 09:58:57 or can I get it to boot from SD with vfat + ext2 Sep 29 09:59:53 ok, what is the best way to create a progress bar in an edje? ... because the only method i can manage seems to be making a rectangle, using edje_object_part_get and then resizing it in evas ... which seems to be discouraged, hehe Sep 29 10:01:02 raster: is there a visual way to see if an alarm is set? Sep 29 10:01:23 it'd be good to have Sep 29 10:03:02 ieatlint: ummm. u can us a dargable - ans set the dragable position. Sep 29 10:03:17 u can als use embryo script to accept messages Sep 29 10:03:24 tghen interpret them and either change a dragable from script Sep 29 10:03:30 or modify a part with custom states Sep 29 10:03:44 ceda: no. Sep 29 10:03:53 alarm has no idea of the environment its in Sep 29 10:03:57 eventually - yes Sep 29 10:04:07 can a dragable be moved by a function if it's not supposed to move on either axis? Sep 29 10:04:08 but that will mean i need to get done with the revamp of the desktop Sep 29 10:04:21 because the user accidently moving it could be an issue, hehe Sep 29 10:04:26 ia hmm if it cant move - no Sep 29 10:04:30 so make it mxable in 1 axis Sep 29 10:04:42 oooh Sep 29 10:04:52 just make the dragable not accept mouse events Sep 29 10:04:53 :) Sep 29 10:05:04 see exquisite Sep 29 10:05:04 ah.... good idea, hehe, ok, thanks Sep 29 10:05:09 its default theme uses a dragable Sep 29 10:05:11 :) Sep 29 10:08:15 raster: i was thinking about the clock applet, but desktop is better Sep 29 10:11:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9c20a5126339 10/framework/patterns/decorator.py: readd Michele Simionato's amazing decorator module Sep 29 10:11:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r268816d759d2 10/framework/resource.py: add special decorator checking for resource availability Sep 29 10:11:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf8f547066402 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/objects.py: ogsmd: add resource.checkedmethod for every exported dbus method on /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device Sep 29 10:21:15 hi Sep 29 10:22:04 I'm playing with toolchain and launching "om-conf openmoko-sample2/" i get "No package 'libmokoui2' found" Sep 29 10:23:44 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r914a7e12d1c2 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: (log message trimmed) Sep 29 10:23:44 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Split the info for concatenated short messages in multiple keys Sep 29 10:23:44 freesmartphone.org: There's now csm_id, csm_num and csm_seq for the id of the csm, the Sep 29 10:23:44 freesmartphone.org: total number of messages for that csm and the sequence of this message. Sep 29 10:23:45 freesmartphone.org: The features will only have simple types as values (no lists or maps) Sep 29 10:23:47 freesmartphone.org: to make life easier especially for the C guys. Sep 29 10:23:49 freesmartphone.org: WARNING: The final names for the features are not decided upon yet and Sep 29 10:26:14 allt these FSO commits are really encouraging, makes one (= me) happy Sep 29 10:27:18 ceda: Me too, but fully functioning FSO is afew milestones away... Impressive project Sep 29 10:30:25 Shlee: well, it's kind of useful. I can read RSS news using GPRS on my way to work. Sep 29 10:31:00 as long as minimo plays nice that works quite reliable Sep 29 10:31:18 minimo? and not midori? Sep 29 10:32:55 lindi-: where do you get midori from? Sep 29 10:33:07 ceda: debian unstable Sep 29 10:33:31 minimo on the other hand does not seem to be in debian Sep 29 10:35:05 ok Sep 29 10:36:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r97d26ee32f37 10/framework/resource.py: add specialized checked method decorator for sync dbus methods Sep 29 10:42:08 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r11ec61cb763f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: Sep 29 10:42:08 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: Only run through the dbus methods if the resource is enabled Sep 29 10:42:08 freesmartphone.org: This is achieved through the resource.checkedmethod decorator Sep 29 11:11:56 openmoko: 03marek * r4681 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (6 files in 4 dirs): edje support added Sep 29 11:32:43 raster: a backspace in the normal keyboard would be useful Sep 29 11:33:05 or "start over" Sep 29 11:33:26 ceda: isn't the layout just a text file? Sep 29 11:33:37 because you'll never recover from typing "interface" as "irerffe" Sep 29 11:34:48 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6bce8605cb05 10/src/zhone: remove display handling from zhone Sep 29 11:34:48 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * raf1d215333c0 10/data/themes/ (zhone.edc zhone_dial.edc): switch the number label to a textblock Sep 29 11:35:06 lindi-: sure, but spending too much time without knowing if it even might get concidered for inclusion ... Sep 29 11:37:27 ceda: but if you need it for yourself it should be enough? Sep 29 11:37:45 yes, of course Sep 29 11:41:18 ceda: slide left Sep 29 11:41:19 :) Sep 29 11:43:43 Id love to see the default theme sidewards.. easily fit the full/enhanced keyboard Sep 29 11:44:26 sidewards? Sep 29 11:44:47 sure Sep 29 11:44:48 its wider Sep 29 11:44:54 but then u edn up with less of the screen for the app Sep 29 11:44:55 :) Sep 29 11:45:14 how much room does SMS need... Sep 29 11:45:23 its actually quite usable in portrait mode if entering "english text" Sep 29 11:45:33 but if you can pull a level of transparency, then you don't end up with less area Sep 29 11:45:42 the dictionary lookup does a good job once you've trained it a bit (used it and you have frequency info in the dict) Sep 29 11:46:37 ieatlint: same in portrait Sep 29 11:47:17 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3004eed4678d 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd.ubx: Sanitize handling of non UBX data Sep 29 11:47:18 yeah, but in landscape mode you could quite easily type without a stylus Sep 29 11:47:42 in portrait u can do it too Sep 29 11:47:50 i have been doing just so myself Sep 29 11:47:58 walking down the street typing up whole paragraphs Sep 29 11:48:01 make the keyboard transparent and not resize the normal screen? Sep 29 11:48:01 in portrait mode Sep 29 11:48:04 with illume keyboard Sep 29 11:48:12 raster: do you devel on qemu, or straight on the phone? Sep 29 11:48:21 xt: on x86 Sep 29 11:48:26 ah Sep 29 11:48:30 cheat Sep 29 11:48:39 xt: no need/point to use qemu or dev on phone Sep 29 11:48:45 that is onyl a final build target for oe Sep 29 11:48:47 transparent keyboard would be useful indeed Sep 29 11:48:52 all dev is done natively on x86 Sep 29 11:49:29 developing on the phone or within qemu is just plain madness Sep 29 11:52:22 ieatlint: compositing not sane on FR. need better hw platform Sep 29 11:52:43 it might not need to be true transparency Sep 29 11:52:50 it does Sep 29 11:53:03 as its pointless to overlay unless u can see the updates happening underneath Sep 29 11:53:11 other than that - it just pollutes code with ugly hacks Sep 29 11:53:16 trust me Sep 29 11:53:20 damn Sep 29 11:53:30 i was doing fake transparency long ebfore you guys even knew what it was Sep 29 11:53:43 i mostly wrote the book on it when it comes to it and x Sep 29 11:54:56 maybe it'd just help if the browser window was not resized when i popup a virtual keyboard. i could then move the keyboard so that it'd cover either the upper or lower part of the screen Sep 29 11:55:29 yes Sep 29 11:55:33 i added thgat to my todo list Sep 29 11:55:38 make an option for that Sep 29 11:58:15 it's depressing how many things the freerunner seems to come within grasp of doing, before beaten back by hardware deficiences :( Sep 29 11:58:34 o.o Sep 29 11:58:49 glamo os a 4+ year old gfx chip Sep 29 11:58:57 the 2442 is like 2+ years old Sep 29 11:59:04 yeah, i know, i know Sep 29 11:59:08 the vga screen is possibly by far the most advanced bit of the fr Sep 29 11:59:15 2005 i heard for the 2442 Sep 29 11:59:16 I don't know the freerunner too well but I thought it had some nice specs, o.o Sep 29 11:59:25 and its definitely underpowered for driving it attempting to do "modern ui's of "today" Sep 29 11:59:31 sure Sep 29 11:59:37 ui's of 4 years ago are ok Sep 29 11:59:45 Anyone know if there is a way to increase call volume in the qtopia dialer? Sep 29 11:59:57 the graphics is the real issue i see Sep 29 12:00:11 4 year old UIs are fine on a computer Sep 29 12:00:38 but it hurts a bit more on a mobile device, where things like such a keyboard wold be a fantastic feature Sep 29 12:01:04 Do you know PointUI for Windows Mobile? It doesn't use too mich hardware but looks nice. o.o Sep 29 12:02:28 i happily know nothing of windows mobile Sep 29 12:02:51 Problem is that it's for Windows but it shows that even devices with not too much power can have some great UIs. Sep 29 12:04:17 never seen i8t Sep 29 12:04:17 and it all depends what your "bar" is Sep 29 12:04:17 my bar is apple and beyond Sep 29 12:05:00 Yes, that's why I mentioned it. ^^ It's a lot like the iPhone interface. Sep 29 12:05:24 And runs pretty well even on my old Magician. Sep 29 12:05:24 ok Sep 29 12:05:26 have some benchmarks been run on the openmoko hardware? Sep 29 12:05:29 that stuff can already be done Sep 29 12:05:33 thats why efl exists Sep 29 12:05:39 thats just the kind of thing it does Sep 29 12:05:40 BUT Sep 29 12:05:46 efl? Sep 29 12:05:59 the problem is the freerunner and glamo and acceleration/abilities and limitations Sep 29 12:06:07 enlightenment foundation libraries Sep 29 12:06:11 Ah. Sep 29 12:06:28 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg Sep 29 12:06:30 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg Sep 29 12:06:32 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg Sep 29 12:06:33 http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg Sep 29 12:06:56 http://www.rasterman.com/files/eem-live.avi Sep 29 12:07:01 i did that one years and years ago Sep 29 12:07:08 like 4 years ago Sep 29 12:07:18 http://www.rasterman.com/files/eem.avi Sep 29 12:07:20 That does look very nice, o.o Sep 29 12:08:06 http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage.avi Sep 29 12:08:21 http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi Sep 29 12:09:09 http://www.rasterman.com/files/r2.avi Sep 29 12:09:41 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-00.avi Sep 29 12:09:44 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-01.avi Sep 29 12:09:51 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-03.avi Sep 29 12:09:54 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-02.avi Sep 29 12:09:59 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-04.avi Sep 29 12:10:06 http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17_movie-05.avi Sep 29 12:10:07 etc. Sep 29 12:10:24 already being used on the freerunner Sep 29 12:10:25 BUT Sep 29 12:10:30 the speed and effects are limited Sep 29 12:10:39 the vga resolution means u have to calculate 4x the # of pixels Sep 29 12:10:43 comapred to qvga Sep 29 12:10:55 so we REALLY need drivers for the glamo Sep 29 12:11:09 the eem-live was on an ipaq 3660 (64m ram, 16m flash and 206mhz arm, qvga) Sep 29 12:11:12 do drivers solve the issue? Sep 29 12:11:19 tau no point. u wont get much out of it Sep 29 12:11:21 thats the problem Sep 29 12:11:23 no Sep 29 12:11:31 damn.. Sep 29 12:11:34 glamo itself is missing operations to be able to do that stuff properly Sep 29 12:11:34 Problem is with the bus IIRC ? Sep 29 12:11:43 its missing ARGB destination for rendeirng Sep 29 12:11:50 it can onyl render TO rgb565 solid dests Sep 29 12:11:58 that means no itnermediate buffers cna be done with acceleration Sep 29 12:12:05 If it runs that well on such slow hardware, why can't you do more on current hardware? o.o Sep 29 12:12:17 the 3d is basicall ylimited to qvga and texture max size is 256x256 Sep 29 12:12:22 and no render to texture Sep 29 12:12:38 That's sad. Sep 29 12:12:41 MnemonicPunk: because per pixel the ipaq had 2xc the processing power of freerunenr Sep 29 12:12:44 (at least) Sep 29 12:12:55 and framebuffer access was immensely faster Sep 29 12:12:58 what about switching the resolution to 240 * 340? Sep 29 12:13:00 as it wasnt on a "gfx chip" Sep 29 12:13:08 quickdev: would help Sep 29 12:13:14 but then u just wasted the cost of the vga lcd Sep 29 12:13:22 also right now qvga is broken Sep 29 12:13:23 try it Sep 29 12:13:31 and u still have a slow video bus Sep 29 12:13:39 (compared to my ancient ipaq from 2001) Sep 29 12:13:58 its not worth the software effort to try work around it all Sep 29 12:14:03 simply wait for better hardware Sep 29 12:14:51 Looking at the wiki doesn't show too much... Sep 29 12:14:59 I have a Magician, that's like a real powerhorse for its time but today it is terribly slow. Still runs a full xfce desktop though. Sep 29 12:15:13 Has the freerunner been successful enough to work on the freerunner 2? Sep 29 12:15:26 Are they? Sep 29 12:15:35 raster, gta03 won't fix it, right? so let's wait for gta04 :) Sep 29 12:15:46 the gta03 is in planning stages Sep 29 12:16:06 and no one can tell if it'll fix it, although they seem to have decided to get rid of glamo Sep 29 12:16:10 I'm buying a OpenPandora tomorrow.. Sep 29 12:16:28 so I'll use the moko as a phone.. Sep 29 12:16:48 they are switching the SoC Sep 29 12:16:52 Shlee: if its actually made available. Sep 29 12:17:09 but they haven't decided which one to my knowledge Sep 29 12:17:10 Shlee: been waiting for a while Sep 29 12:17:27 raster: They are pre-ordering tomorrow. Date set for NOV Sep 29 12:17:31 i hope to get a pandora too Sep 29 12:17:32 SoC? Sep 29 12:17:33 It looks ontrack finally Sep 29 12:17:36 just as a dev platform with decent grunt Sep 29 12:17:49 Shlee: thars what they say. let's see :) Sep 29 12:18:02 Yeah, they'll get my money atleast Sep 29 12:18:08 so they get the numbers for the first 3000. Sep 29 12:18:16 good Sep 29 12:18:17 http://openpandora.org/ It's the DS 2.0 Sep 29 12:18:24 MnemonicPunk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System-on-a-chip Sep 29 12:18:36 i hope oe gets a build for it asap Sep 29 12:18:37 it should Sep 29 12:18:55 No reason why not. Sep 29 12:18:56 as there is one for beagleboard already Sep 29 12:19:26 Yeah, it has the next revision TI cpu, but everything on beagle will run smoothly Sep 29 12:19:32 Thanks, ieatlint. =) Sep 29 12:19:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbLQI91510&eurl=http://openpandora.org/blog.php Sep 29 12:19:54 That makes me happy. Sep 29 12:20:32 those are some crazy specs Sep 29 12:21:00 it's like a smaller eeepc, but on arm and with better graphics Sep 29 12:21:02 It's effectively a net-top Sep 29 12:22:29 Sonic the hedgehog! <3 Sep 29 12:22:38 i want it for the ability to play with real opengles2.0 hw Sep 29 12:22:38 with real gles libs Sep 29 12:22:38 from what i have read it probably will run software rendering smothly enough anyway Sep 29 12:22:38 so that might be enough toy for now Sep 29 12:22:38 i've got a treo650 on tis way too Sep 29 12:23:39 How do you get the money for all that? ;p Sep 29 12:24:07 money for what? Sep 29 12:24:22 For like... 10 different phones. o.o Sep 29 12:24:46 well treo650 is only $150 or so Sep 29 12:24:54 I'm stuck with my device but I'll make the most of it. (I have a DS and a PSP for mobile gaming anyway) Sep 29 12:24:56 otherwise buy them Sep 29 12:25:02 i preordered the tmobile g1, so i've no spending cash to blow for now... Sep 29 12:25:05 you buy them with money you earn - you work. Sep 29 12:25:12 150$ is a lot for me. =( Sep 29 12:25:39 MnemonicPunk: student? Sep 29 12:25:45 That's about 110€ or something, right? Sep 29 12:25:51 btw Sep 29 12:25:53 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 12:26:08 if u want to ply with the illume image that has the ui those videos showed Sep 29 12:26:11 raster: Sort of. ^^ Sep 29 12:26:23 well once u have been workign for a decade... Sep 29 12:26:28 you will save money Sep 29 12:26:29 invest it Sep 29 12:26:37 make money from investments Sep 29 12:26:39 unless you live in America. Sep 29 12:26:40 make money from work Sep 29 12:27:01 money doesnt drop into yoru lap... you do something to get it Sep 29 12:27:02 :) Sep 29 12:27:11 it kind of is a self-feeding loop Sep 29 12:27:18 Can I run that image on my phone, too? Sep 29 12:27:27 as u earn money - u spend it on toys to port stuff to Sep 29 12:27:29 develop fore Sep 29 12:27:38 and then people pay your more money to develop for their hardware toys Sep 29 12:27:45 * Shlee wishes the OM didn't have those 4 transparent buttons at the bottom. Sep 29 12:27:45 or their procjects as a result of you porting... Sep 29 12:27:46 Hehe. ^^ Sep 29 12:27:51 men if its a freerunner... Sep 29 12:27:58 MnemonicPunk: if it's a freerunner... Sep 29 12:28:03 And then the next step: World domination. Right? Sep 29 12:28:26 raster: No it isn't. ^^ HTC Magician. But I could run some of the earlier Openmoko images as well. Sep 29 12:28:42 i build it with OE Sep 29 12:28:48 so i guess u could build an image for yourself Sep 29 12:28:53 Hm. Sep 29 12:28:57 Sounds reasonable. Sep 29 12:29:02 lol Sep 29 12:29:05 OE ... reasonable Sep 29 12:29:07 :) Sep 29 12:29:08 u'd better be a pretty good hand with OE though Sep 29 12:29:09 :) Sep 29 12:29:26 I tried getting OE to run yesterday and failed. =( Dunno why. Sep 29 12:29:54 Anyone aware of a serious timeframe for qtopia 4.4? Sep 29 12:30:08 funnily enough i'm unemployed Sep 29 12:30:13 so when its done. soonish? Sep 29 12:30:14 Folowed the tutorial step by step, installed the stuff but then it complained about CAHCE not being set and I had no idea what I should set it to. >_> Sep 29 12:30:29 *CACHE Sep 29 12:30:45 a directory, if i recall right Sep 29 12:31:01 Any directory I have write access to? Sep 29 12:31:53 ls Sep 29 12:31:59 in a tmp dir might be best Sep 29 12:32:01 EWRONGWINDOW, sorry ;) Sep 29 12:32:15 lol Sep 29 12:32:54 You throw exceptions when talking in the wrong window? Sep 29 12:33:18 ieatlint: join the club! Sep 29 12:34:08 raster, i did, i tend to have 3 geek groups i attend each week, between programming, linux and an openmoko group Sep 29 12:34:25 MnemonicPunk: ... Sep 29 12:34:28 rm -rf ~/oe Sep 29 12:34:31 mkdir ~/oe Sep 29 12:34:35 cd ~/oe Sep 29 12:34:36 and then developing software to put on my resume to explain a 3 year gap Sep 29 12:34:39 wget http://www.rasterman.com/files/install.sh Sep 29 12:34:47 wget http://www.rasterman.com/files/local.conf Sep 29 12:34:55 sh ./install.sh Sep 29 12:35:05 --- Sep 29 12:35:06 done Sep 29 12:35:18 raster: Heh. Okay, I'll do that. =) Sep 29 12:35:29 ieatlint: if u are unemployed.. u must be so productive Sep 29 12:35:34 have so much time to do useful shit Sep 29 12:35:53 well, i do have beer Sep 29 12:36:51 anyway, for related reasons to a 3 year gap on my resume i'm surviving Sep 29 12:38:18 Mind the gap or something? Sep 29 12:39:43 Being unemployed in Germany isn't that bad though, I noticed. Not really comfortable but you can make do without problems. Sep 29 12:40:15 so i hear... Sep 29 12:41:26 i like being unemployed Sep 29 12:42:01 well, i'm too young to retire and my money won't last forever Sep 29 12:42:47 ieatlint, how old are you? :) Sep 29 12:42:49 I'm not yet unemployed (okay, I was, for about 2 years but that's a different story) but considering the job situation here I will be as soon as I finish school. (Well. kind of a school. xD) Sep 29 12:43:31 15 Sep 29 12:43:48 15? o.O You serious? Sep 29 12:44:04 no, but i was curious if someone was going to bring up the beer Sep 29 12:44:13 ieatlint, just wanted to quote you :) Sep 29 12:44:26 i'm 24 Sep 29 12:44:34 Heh, older than I am. ;p Sep 29 12:47:38 you whipper snappers Sep 29 12:47:43 youn'uns Sep 29 12:48:39 _phones_ back in my day we didnt have phones Sep 29 12:49:37 heh, i'm old enough to have gone through school without mobile phones, and remember when pagers were all the rage Sep 29 12:49:43 lol Sep 29 12:49:47 Yeh. Sep 29 12:49:55 Although. Sep 29 12:49:59 and days before the internet :P Sep 29 12:50:06 back in my day we'd communicate by throwing dinosaur bones at eachother and depending what part of the body you broke indicated the message. Sep 29 12:50:21 Not quite, phones were kinda "in" in the later grades. Sep 29 12:50:22 o.o Sep 29 12:50:27 In mine, that is. Sep 29 12:50:34 damn, that must've been a real trick... were there even dinosaurs in aussieland? Sep 29 12:50:41 not a single person at my school had a hpone Sep 29 12:50:42 or pager Sep 29 12:50:45 I'm 22 and still wondering about ieatlints real age. xD Sep 29 12:50:51 hell no one at university had one Sep 29 12:51:06 didnt get a mobile phone until i was well into being a working slave Sep 29 12:51:07 MnemonicPunk, i'm 24... Sep 29 12:51:12 and that was... analogue! Sep 29 12:51:15 how old do you think i am? Sep 29 12:51:23 7 Sep 29 12:51:24 ieatlint: Alright, maybe then it was just different where you live. Sep 29 12:51:41 MnemonicPunk, where are you? Sep 29 12:51:47 I know we had that "tech hipster" in class. Always had the newest stuff with him. Sep 29 12:52:08 I don't have to mention he bought a Mac later on, do I? ;) Sep 29 12:52:12 Germany. Sep 29 12:52:14 NRW Sep 29 12:52:24 which part? Sep 29 12:52:26 i need some advice: is the freerunner a good buy if i want it mainly as a 'ultra-mobilei' linux box? Sep 29 12:52:28 of nrw Sep 29 12:52:29 we have some of the oldest dinosaur fossils in australia Sep 29 12:52:34 young whipper snappers. Sep 29 12:52:47 Bochum, between Dusseldorf and Dortmund. ^^ Sep 29 12:53:04 * raster goes back to throwing dinosaur bones at his freerunner to see if it answers Sep 29 12:53:06 back in my day we didnt have the term whipper snappers Sep 29 12:53:08 anyway, i finished high school in 2000, and mobile phones were around, but not in the hands of students Sep 29 12:53:39 raster might be old enough to be one of those original prisoners shipped over by them pommies Sep 29 12:53:43 raster: "IO Error: Unexpected bone format" Sep 29 12:53:59 MnemonicPunk, altbier or kölsch? :) Sep 29 12:54:03 ieatlint: actually no. my heritage is german/finnish Sep 29 12:54:13 my ancestors actually were robber knights thoughy Sep 29 12:54:28 rofl Sep 29 12:54:30 ieatlint: If I have to drink any of those two, it's alt. ^^ Prefer pils though. Sep 29 12:54:43 Good afternoon Sep 29 12:54:46 nice... i'm of irish descent, so i presume my ancestors to be drunks Sep 29 12:54:51 in süd tirol Sep 29 12:55:02 which technically is italy these days... Sep 29 12:55:05 MnemonicPunk, alt... good choice ;) Sep 29 12:55:15 yo Sep 29 12:55:31 ieatlint: Where are you from? Sep 29 12:55:44 california Sep 29 12:55:51 near san francisco originally, currently in sf Sep 29 12:55:57 How do you type ö then? o.o Sep 29 12:56:12 MnemonicPunk: he knows how to copy+paste ;) Sep 29 12:56:12 Know the ASCII by heart or something? xD Sep 29 12:56:29 ich habe ein bisschen deutsch gelernt... Sep 29 12:56:38 I see. ^^ Sep 29 12:56:44 and in traveling to germany, i was introduced to the german keyboard layout Sep 29 12:56:58 and somehow i prefer its layout for non-letter chars Sep 29 12:57:07 so i use a german keyboard layout Sep 29 12:57:12 lol Sep 29 12:57:18 so whats the best thing to run on my freerunner today? Sep 29 12:57:35 it also lets me type spanish chars for the local stuff... el niño... i'm so cool Sep 29 12:57:36 raster: I flashed your image, it looks great! And it actually boots faster than all others without doing any optimisations. Sep 29 12:58:00 Kensan: welcome to super-raster-happy-fun-times :) Sep 29 12:58:11 plus it does help when i try to type in german, hehe Sep 29 12:58:13 and i havent even tried to make it faster.... yet Sep 29 12:58:14 :) Sep 29 12:58:23 raster, you may officially call me stupid. xD I installed oe with your script but have no idea how to go on from there. Sep 29 12:58:29 raster: hehe, makes me wonder... Sep 29 12:58:52 men did u see the bit where it prints out what to do? Sep 29 12:58:58 at the end Sep 29 12:59:00 like lots of echo's Sep 29 12:59:03 Yes. Sep 29 12:59:09 raster how different is your image to 2008.9? Sep 29 12:59:18 did u follow any of the hints? Sep 29 12:59:23 dns53: totally Sep 29 12:59:31 dns53: for one. it has no phone apps :) Sep 29 12:59:43 and i have friends in ratingen, so i've been well introduced to the alt vs kölsch fight (theformer being my preference) Sep 29 12:59:45 It starts with the "source ./setup-env" part. o.o Sep 29 13:00:16 ieatlint: Kölsch is like water anyway (and I can say that without being biased since I don't live in either city) Sep 29 13:00:17 i've a quick question: does SHR implement : calls,sms,missed-cals? Sep 29 13:00:31 hey, raster released an image? anyon wanna share the url with me? i wanna try it too .. Sep 29 13:00:41 hehehe Sep 29 13:00:43 both are very hard to find here... alt is essentially impossible... :( Sep 29 13:00:49 * raster waits for the rumor mill to do its job Sep 29 13:00:57 kölsch can be found in a handful of places (local brew), but meh Sep 29 13:00:58 Kensan: btw - i released an update... with a nicer bootsplash Sep 29 13:00:58 raster: I dug out a ticket in the olpc bugzilla about speeding up boot. Has one or two ideas we could borrow. Sep 29 13:00:59 :) Sep 29 13:01:03 what rumour mill raster? Sep 29 13:01:07 * torpor tries to play catchup Sep 29 13:01:21 In Köln they have a little shop called "Beer Museum", it's actually no real museum but they have shitloads of beer from all over the world. Sep 29 13:01:22 booting linux in 5 secondds: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/299483/fa0208e48cf3eeac/ Sep 29 13:01:29 Kensan: i've been in the "make booting fast" boat before. ;. as i said. 1.6 seconds. did that for toshiba on a contract. Sep 29 13:01:41 * Kensan hints at the presence of the raster-uber-image somewhere in the depths of the intarwebz Sep 29 13:01:44 torpor: lame. 1.6. Sep 29 13:01:45 ;) Sep 29 13:01:51 beat that Sep 29 13:01:54 and i'll listen Sep 29 13:01:57 MnemonicPunk, if they have a tap that says budweiser but just pours water, i'll change my entire vew of köln Sep 29 13:02:03 ok Sep 29 13:02:13 damnit i just want something cool to run on my freerunner. Sep 29 13:02:15 please share. Sep 29 13:02:27 * [df] suggests debian Sep 29 13:02:35 ieatlint: Budweiser is the american equivalent to Kölsch, isn't it? xD Sep 29 13:02:38 <[df]> then run whatever you like Sep 29 13:02:39 until such a day, my views are formed by my biased friends ;) Sep 29 13:02:44 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 13:02:51 raster: yes, and I am still convinced, as I was this morning, that you simply made that statement at that specific point in time to make me look like a goof-ball in the future ;) Sep 29 13:02:51 no, kölsch is far better Sep 29 13:03:07 Kensan: hahahahah! Sep 29 13:03:15 Far... better...? o.o Poor americans. Sep 29 13:03:30 hardly, i don't drink either Sep 29 13:03:45 california has a very healthy selection of awesome local breweries Sep 29 13:03:48 mm.. whats with the .summary file extentions? can i just burn this like a normal .jffs2 or something Sep 29 13:04:02 torpor: jffs2 WITH summary info for faster mount by kernel Sep 29 13:04:08 raster: when did you upload the new image? I downloaded and flashed the image about 3 hours ago... Sep 29 13:04:15 ieatlint: Ever tried Fiege? Sep 29 13:04:16 Kensan: an hour or 2 ago Sep 29 13:04:23 nope Sep 29 13:04:31 It's TEH BEER. xD Sep 29 13:04:31 so i can just burn this and roll then, eh? Sep 29 13:04:33 * Kensan fires up dfu-util Sep 29 13:04:36 * torpor goes off to do it Sep 29 13:04:55 actually Sep 29 13:04:57 longer Sep 29 13:05:01 i'm generally not a pilsener fan Sep 29 13:05:05 Okay, actually it's probably not THAT good. But they make it right here and it simply is my favourite. Sep 29 13:05:08 3.5hrs ago Sep 29 13:05:17 ales and darker lagers are my thing Sep 29 13:05:43 mmm .. openpandora goes on sale today! w00t for new toys! Sep 29 13:05:51 Irish ancestors shining through there? ;P Sep 29 13:05:53 raster: is there a changelog of your "official" image? Sep 29 13:06:00 * Kensan tries to spread rumours about Rasters image... Sep 29 13:06:09 Kensan: nup. Sep 29 13:06:13 personal preferences :) Sep 29 13:06:15 i'm lazy Sep 29 13:06:26 but i am maintaining a git patchset against upsteram OE git Sep 29 13:06:31 i havent published it Sep 29 13:06:34 but i can... Sep 29 13:06:38 raster: heh, I would dispute that. Sep 29 13:06:52 raster: no worries. I was just wondering what I was potentially missing ;) Sep 29 13:07:00 dunnop Sep 29 13:07:03 is the bootsplash black? Sep 29 13:07:06 or white bg? Sep 29 13:07:14 raster: yes, the E-splash so to speak Sep 29 13:07:26 well there are 2 splashes Sep 29 13:07:37 1. expedite (bootsplash) Sep 29 13:07:44 2. e's init splash (thats once x is up) Sep 29 13:08:43 raster: expedite is the E logo b&w with the white progress bar and "glossy surface" reflections. Sep 29 13:09:23 raster: and e's init splash is the b&w lamp. Sep 29 13:09:26 raster: correct? Sep 29 13:09:57 correct Sep 29 13:10:02 then u have my updated image Sep 29 13:10:31 raster: where is it located? Sep 29 13:10:39 raster: ok cool. Sep 29 13:10:45 http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 13:10:50 toggles_w: 15:01 < raster> http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 13:10:58 raster: cheers mate Sep 29 13:11:06 Kensan: same goes ;-) Sep 29 13:11:24 Kensan: i am pretty sure it can be definitely improved boot-speed-wise Sep 29 13:11:33 toggles_w: I am just quoting, no work here. Sep 29 13:11:57 X could move to S22 Sep 29 13:12:04 raster: I have to put bootsplash on it first and see what's holding things up. Sep 29 13:12:14 dropbear to S60 Sep 29 13:12:17 just for starters Sep 29 13:12:18 simple changes Sep 29 13:13:08 raster: I wonder how much one could get from disabling the printks/console output... Not much I guess but probably more than expected. Sep 29 13:13:28 Kensan: i already tell uboot to put my console to serial, not screen Sep 29 13:13:34 so i get almost no kernel printk's Sep 29 13:13:37 in fact none Sep 29 13:13:49 i get a little bit of text between exqusitie and x Sep 29 13:13:56 like with anstrom banner Sep 29 13:13:58 raster: ah k. Yeah saw that. Sep 29 13:14:05 i should hunt donw that crap and remove it Sep 29 13:14:12 but for now - that doesnt bother me Sep 29 13:15:39 raster: it would be cool to have the expedite screeny as u-boots "bootsplash". Sep 29 13:16:06 raster: there's some error messages printed out before e's init splash Sep 29 13:17:16 Kensan: yeah. technically tho... if we really wanted to - we COULD get x up before even dbus Sep 29 13:17:42 launch pretty much everything in the bg Sep 29 13:17:47 exquisite also runs in x Sep 29 13:17:48 :) Sep 29 13:17:56 then u wont get the changeover Sep 29 13:18:10 exquisite could run and e could seamlessly take over Sep 29 13:18:11 raster, there is no setup-env in there. o.o What am I doiing wrong? =( Sep 29 13:18:12 raster: hm ok... thinking a bit radically: X first and the rest is loaded in bg according to "priority". Sep 29 13:18:42 raster: ok, same line of thought here :) Sep 29 13:18:53 MnemonicPunk: ooh. u need my setup-env too Sep 29 13:19:00 raster: what do you need for X to come up? Sep 29 13:19:02 Heh. ^^ Sep 29 13:19:10 raster: as a minimum that is. Sep 29 13:19:22 MnemonicPunk: http://www.rasterman.com/files/setup-env Sep 29 13:19:46 Kensan: i think just device nodes Sep 29 13:19:47 thats it Sep 29 13:20:00 raster: ok, and they could be done statically Sep 29 13:20:04 raster: so no udev etc. Sep 29 13:20:12 mdev can do udev's job Sep 29 13:20:14 but much faster Sep 29 13:20:19 should look at mdev Sep 29 13:20:33 x could move to S01 Sep 29 13:20:44 the problem is E requires dbus to be up first Sep 29 13:20:45 raster: the olpc guys had the idea to simply gzip up the dev nodes and simply unpack them on boot Sep 29 13:20:47 BUT Sep 29 13:21:12 u will neecx a way to start X separately to the x session Sep 29 13:21:25 Kensan: look at mdev Sep 29 13:21:36 raster: ok will check it out. Sep 29 13:21:53 but there is a lot of time spent before S10.. etc init scritps run Sep 29 13:21:57 in rc/rcS Sep 29 13:23:54 raster: mdev still create device nodes dynamically on boot which could be avoided. Though I do not know if doing it the other way would actually be leaner. Sep 29 13:24:06 bye bye student loan :( Sep 29 13:24:11 hello openmoko :D Sep 29 13:27:03 Alright... now it says "/proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr is not 0. This will cause problems with qemu so please fix the value (as root)." What can I do against that? Sep 29 13:27:16 MnemonicPunk: read the wiki Sep 29 13:27:38 Mkay. ^^ Sep 29 13:28:00 MnemonicPunk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Build_issues Sep 29 13:28:21 Thanks a lot. =) Sep 29 13:29:11 It seems to work! Booya! ^-^ Sep 29 13:29:56 Kensan: xora has tried mdev and it saves about 10 seconds of boot Sep 29 13:31:17 raster: ah ic. I like the sound of that. How about a "linuxrc" kind of approach: replacing init with a custom binary which sets up the device nodes and starts x. The rest is done/loaded as-needed by some other daemon/app Sep 29 13:31:40 Kensan: good for a system u never want to install anything on or ever change the boot of Sep 29 13:32:08 raster: hm yeah. That would be a dead end... Sep 29 13:32:23 raster: specific per device or "distro" even... Sep 29 13:32:24 can work for custom products Sep 29 13:32:26 no fun. Sep 29 13:32:28 eg an mp3 player Sep 29 13:32:30 never will change Sep 29 13:32:33 or a set top obx Sep 29 13:32:42 does only what it was built to Sep 29 13:32:48 is not extendible etc. Sep 29 13:33:04 If I issue "bitbake gpe-image", will it make a gpe image for my Magician? o.o Sep 29 13:33:14 yes Sep 29 13:33:19 That rocks. o.o Sep 29 13:33:25 if u set up local.conf to have the right machine Sep 29 13:33:31 I did. =) Sep 29 13:34:44 I told it to build nano to see if it works and so far it does it's stuff without errors. Sep 29 13:35:03 Should I get the psyco jit as well? Sep 29 13:36:43 * raster shivers Sep 29 13:36:48 ewww... java Sep 29 13:38:01 I'll take that as a no. o.O Sep 29 13:40:29 Ew. The german translation of that Wiki page sucks. o.o Sep 29 13:42:24 not unusual Sep 29 13:44:01 sucks Sep 29 13:44:11 but in the end... you end up having to read the english ones Sep 29 13:44:12 :( Sep 29 13:44:57 I actually prefer the english version in this case. xD Sep 29 13:47:27 raster! Sep 29 13:47:38 boop! Sep 29 13:48:03 Do later builds take less time than the initial one? Sep 29 13:48:17 :) Sep 29 13:48:26 heh Sep 29 13:49:52 MnemonicPunk: yes Sep 29 13:50:18 Meh... got a dentist appointment in 15 minutes. >_< But maybe it will be done when I'm back. xD Sep 29 13:51:27 ok I give up - Anyone feel like making a tool to tweak the .state's.. I tried and failed Sep 29 13:52:56 raster: Is there a sane way to change/remove/add kernel params in uboot? Always adding/removing menu_? lines is a bit tedious Sep 29 13:53:25 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r703cb77ce191 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/modem.py: ogsmd: allow ogsmd to be reenabled Sep 29 13:57:13 Hmm Sep 29 13:57:19 Oh, any jvm users here? Sep 29 13:57:59 Furthermore does SSL work in java? Sep 29 13:58:19 Does generic questions shit in the woods? Sep 29 13:59:04 -_- Sep 29 13:59:08 Alright, gotta go. =) Read ya later- Sep 29 13:59:28 Bye MnemonicPunk, thanks for coming! Sep 29 13:59:37 Kensan: hmm not really. Sep 29 13:59:50 Kensan: uboot really is n ot intended to be a good interactive tool Sep 29 14:00:03 inf act the fact it has any kind of "ui" is far eboynd what it should be Sep 29 14:00:17 should have grub :/ Sep 29 14:00:27 Torikun! Sep 29 14:00:28 at worst is should be an emergency reflash mechanism and way to intercept normal boot and play with kernel params over a serial line Sep 29 14:00:30 nothng else Sep 29 14:00:58 what, bootloader? Sep 29 14:03:11 Dave! Sep 29 14:12:14 Kensan: can you make a call on the new raster image? it's pretty but no phone? Sep 29 14:12:29 toggles_w: as raster said: it is completely missing any phone apps Sep 29 14:12:43 toggles_w: it's just a devel image he made for himself. Sep 29 14:15:10 Kensan: damn, thanks, i missed that Sep 29 14:15:36 it's bloody gorgeous, i just wish zhone was available, evenif through opkg Sep 29 14:15:43 Kensan: thanks Sep 29 14:19:07 toggles_w: well it's based on OE so you can install all the other apps Sep 29 14:19:16 toggles_w: but you would need to install all the FSO daemons etc Sep 29 14:48:29 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rd56757001bfe 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: be explicit about resource availability Sep 29 14:58:17 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r7713c9e3c3cc 10/packages/packagekit/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [packagekit] modify summary field to support alias Tags. Sep 29 14:58:18 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * rb36265cb0a71 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: [assassin] Bump up assassin to version 257. Sep 29 15:02:04 hi guys, anyone experienced this after flashing? jffs2_scan_eraseblock(): Magic bitmask 0x1985 not found at 0x0.... Sep 29 15:02:39 i've tried to flash FDOM and it shows up during boot Sep 29 15:02:57 hmm Sep 29 15:03:06 Oh great, I have to backup again Sep 29 15:04:02 the worst thing is it happens after flashing asu again... Sep 29 15:04:17 * Dave eyes OH Sep 29 15:08:01 tsuchan: check MD5 Sep 29 15:08:19 if your on windows, search for tabhash Sep 29 15:08:22 it's awesome Sep 29 15:08:34 things on windows are awesome? Sep 29 15:08:47 when did this start? :P Sep 29 15:08:50 Shlee: i've already done that, it's ok... Sep 29 15:13:05 ok, i think i've done something stupid Sep 29 15:13:28 flashed neo without uncompressing images :-P Sep 29 15:14:56 :) Sep 29 15:18:35 And back. >_> Sep 29 15:19:03 heh Sep 29 15:19:05 So soon? :P Sep 29 15:19:09 retracile :) Sep 29 15:19:23 Dave! Sep 29 15:19:44 Yeh, dentist is just around the corner for me. Sep 29 15:20:09 that was quick :P Sep 29 15:20:27 Too bad, I was hoping I'd be gone for long enough for the initial build to finish. xD Sep 29 15:20:44 :P Sep 29 15:20:54 Guess I'll just have to play Sonic Chronicles for a while then. =) Sep 29 15:21:00 hah! Sep 29 15:21:11 hmm... pandora... Sep 29 15:21:38 Anyone know how much of the build is completeted when it is at the "generating locales" stage? Sep 29 15:22:41 sounds like glibc which would be near the beginning, but i've never made a build myself Sep 29 15:23:11 The wiki page had an estimate of about 5 hours for my pc. Sep 29 15:23:15 >_> Sep 29 15:23:41 zomg glibc Sep 29 15:23:50 balrogkun, I've had nothing but trouble in that department :P Sep 29 15:24:46 Dave: did you also play Sonic Chronicles in the meantime? Sep 29 15:24:52 lol Sep 29 15:25:07 the wiki said something about it being incompatible with OE ;) Sep 29 15:25:52 MnemonicPunk: what ar you building? Sep 29 15:26:23 Actually I told it to build nano because most pages say that was a good way to test if it works. Sep 29 15:26:52 balrogkun :P Sep 29 15:26:55 (In case that was a stupid idea, please tell me now. xD) Sep 29 15:27:02 balrogkun, I've played mega collection :P Sep 29 15:27:10 On PSP? Sep 29 15:27:15 Nope Sep 29 15:27:24 nano probably doesn't require much more than glibc and curses.. Sep 29 15:27:35 nano? Sep 29 15:27:48 Dave: editor Sep 29 15:27:54 ah :) Sep 29 15:27:58 That nano :P Sep 29 15:28:07 trying to get it working on the freerunner? :P Sep 29 15:28:19 But it can reuse the stuff it generated when building nano, right? o.o Sep 29 15:28:24 i've been fighting with the fso make for 2 weeks now, i can't get an image with their makefile Sep 29 15:28:40 MnemonicPunk: yeah Sep 29 15:29:15 Dave: what were you thinking about.. perv Sep 29 15:29:23 What!? Sep 29 15:29:33 haha Sep 29 15:29:36 weak :P Sep 29 15:29:49 * Dave slaps balrogkun around with a freerunner Sep 29 15:30:35 I don't think the freerunner is massive enough to do serious damage. xD Sep 29 15:30:51 oh yeah? Sep 29 15:30:56 Check out the new CSI :P Sep 29 15:31:03 oh man, wouldn't that be great? Sep 29 15:31:05 You can try to control your touchscreen by slapping it on his nose correctly, though. Sep 29 15:31:26 Freerunner featured on CSI,... hooray for PR! but oh, wait, it was the murder weapon? Sep 29 15:31:46 MnemonicPunk, let's just put it this way, I have a significant number of them to inflict serious injury :) Sep 29 15:31:51 It is done. o.o Sep 29 15:31:53 Death by Freerunner stoning! Sep 29 15:32:05 blunt force trauma Sep 29 15:32:06 Dave: You got more than one? o.o Sep 29 15:32:21 * Dave high-fives sicu Sep 29 15:32:28 sicu ME Sep 29 15:32:28 :P Sep 29 15:32:38 ^^ Sep 29 15:32:38 I mean... it's possible to brick a freerunner I guess but an actual brick would be way more effective. Sep 29 15:33:14 :D Sep 29 15:33:24 but would break more easily, methinks. Sep 29 15:34:06 And you can't upload your "point of view slapping action" to youtube afterwards. Sep 29 15:34:38 it's the green way of freerunner stoning by reusing just the one device ... greenpeace would be proud Sep 29 15:38:56 :D Sep 29 15:39:00 Hooray! Sep 29 15:56:49 craps Sep 29 15:57:08 I could use some input on the following. http://rafb.net/p/9kLvgs83.html Sep 29 15:57:11 In the middle of the channel? Don't! Sep 29 15:57:24 :D Sep 29 15:57:43 * Dave sics a two-tailed fox on mneumonicpunk Sep 29 15:57:55 <[df]> er, I guess /usr/lib/security/cacerts Sep 29 15:57:59 <[df]> ... doesn't exist Sep 29 15:58:02 haha man, a rabid tails would be vicious! Sep 29 15:58:13 df, I guess not :\ Sep 29 15:58:32 df, right but where then would I obtain the package? Sep 29 15:58:42 It doesn't seem to be in the repos unless it's part of another package :X Sep 29 15:58:52 <[df]> dunno, but there's something in debian called ca-certificates-java that looks like a fair bet? Sep 29 15:59:22 <[df]> ah, you're not running debian Sep 29 16:01:53 <[df]> perhaps they're installed somewhere else? Sep 29 16:02:11 Is that related to the free cacert service? Sep 29 16:02:40 <[df]> it's just a stash of certificate authority certs for java to use I believe Sep 29 16:04:04 Alright. Sep 29 16:04:18 Because cacert is down at the moment or at least unreliable. ^^ Sep 29 16:05:21 <[df]> I think they're part of the jre distribution so I'm guessing they might just be in the wrong place Sep 29 16:10:36 what is task 'logger' doing? uses ~25% CPU on FDOM Sep 29 16:20:59 HI! Sep 29 16:21:41 Sono il presidente del Lucca Lug (Lucca Linux User Group) sto cercando qualcuno che possa venire a parlare di open moko! Sep 29 16:22:00 sorry if i don't speak english Sep 29 16:22:11 io sono italiano Sep 29 16:22:16 ma non sono di lucca :D Sep 29 16:22:16 hehe .. sorry if we dont speak spanish :p Sep 29 16:22:24 it is italian Sep 29 16:22:38 ahh ... dont speak that either :p Sep 29 16:23:40 <[df]> je suis desole, ob Ich spreche kein Niederländisch Sep 29 16:23:56 Hire i'm writing in private Sep 29 16:24:31 my object was to take attection from italian people Sep 29 16:24:50 i can't find any italian channel Sep 29 16:26:10 Hi, my name is sicu. Sep 29 16:33:08 hi Dave aka sicu Sep 29 16:33:31 matteo_, hola. I'm from tuscany :) Sep 29 16:38:14 :D Sep 29 16:39:43 Ghiottone: nice Sep 29 16:40:24 lindi-: I nuked a hdd with OM Sep 29 16:42:55 is there any fix of the "wlan can only connect one time" issue? Sep 29 16:45:00 Hi, How can I install glibc to my toolchain, I downloaded a binary toolchain, but now I cant compile anything as there is no glibc or libstdc++ Sep 29 16:45:39 I just wanna install a few programs, small and self-coded, so I dont need lots of libraries Sep 29 16:45:54 Dave: i dont speak english either Sep 29 16:54:13 dave Sep 29 16:55:00 Dave. Sep 29 17:14:37 remoko rules! :D Sep 29 17:15:26 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * re60e7673f3d5 10/src/zhone: handle the new usage interface better Sep 29 17:19:06 That ticker is a nice idea. o.o So you always see when your own problem was fixed. Sep 29 17:19:25 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * ra77ccca979d8 10/ChangeLog: changelog: comment about ousaged api change Sep 29 17:19:37 does anyone know if raster got his thunder and lightning earlier? Sep 29 17:20:26 Sarguns Sep 29 17:20:40 WHOS SUMMONS ME? Sep 29 17:20:50 not me, go away :P Sep 29 17:20:56 QUIET YOU! Sep 29 17:21:01 'nings Dave :) Sep 29 17:21:07 ;p Sep 29 17:21:18 go ning yourself, Deutschie :p Sep 29 17:21:42 eh? I am in Staffordshire :P Sep 29 17:21:55 oh, well then Sep 29 17:21:58 even worse! Sep 29 17:22:35 well, to better your spirits, your terriers surely look worse than you do. :p Sep 29 17:23:02 you saucy flirt :P Sep 29 17:23:30 ;p Sep 29 17:23:38 Did raster release anything in the end today? Sep 29 17:23:53 regarding? Sep 29 17:24:06 ah I will not steal his thunder then :) Sep 29 17:24:27 You better not! Sep 29 17:24:41 We like Rasterman :) Sep 29 17:25:31 Tig|: it's not a release but keep the rumours spreading *heh* Sep 29 17:25:40 ah :) Sep 29 17:25:57 Kensan: thanks :) Sep 29 17:26:15 Tig|: he threw together an image which you can download but it's just his bare devel image WITHOUT any phone apps etc. Sep 29 17:26:43 Tig|: of course it looks very tasty :) Sep 29 17:27:08 Kensan: ah that was what I was wondering about, was pondering if he had any phone apps up his sleeve :) Sep 29 17:27:35 Kensan: were there any links /screenshots? Sep 29 17:27:51 :p Sep 29 17:28:02 Tig|: he's working on stuff, as you would expect. Sep 29 17:28:05 Tig|: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ Sep 29 17:28:07 the image Sep 29 17:28:38 Tig|: http://www.rasterman.com/files/?M=D Sep 29 17:28:42 Kensan: many thanks :) I might flash it and try it out as at the moment I am not using it as a phone :( Sep 29 17:28:44 Tig|: there's some images and movies afaik. Sep 29 17:29:07 ta :) Sep 29 17:32:13 does the default openmoko firmware contain support for playing mp3's? Sep 29 17:36:25 sandsmark: I don't think so not as shipped Sep 29 17:37:14 ok, because my freerunner is getting held up by german customs because someone says it is violating some mp3-related patents =/ Sep 29 17:37:54 sandsmark: afaik there's no media player installed on the standard image. Sep 29 17:38:20 sandsmark: and I am pretty sure there are no codecs which would violate patents or any other such things. Sep 29 17:38:32 sandsmark: The media player on 2007.2 does support playing mp3s Sep 29 17:38:33 ok Sep 29 17:38:46 Does the shipped image not include openmoko-mediaplayer2? Sep 29 17:39:06 The stanadard 2007.2 images do Sep 29 17:39:22 How do we know what's on the now-shipping devices, now that 2007.2 is gone? Sep 29 17:39:23 wurp2|working: I don't think the shipped image did Sep 29 17:39:31 Tig|: good deal Sep 29 17:39:41 mwester: :-( Sep 29 17:40:10 mwester: a very good point but I don't think I have mp3 support on my 2008 image Sep 29 17:40:20 mwester: I assumed they would not change the factory image since there's no "release" of any other firmware anyway... Sep 29 17:42:43 wurp :) Sep 29 17:43:19 man, this regression in development is hilarious Sep 29 17:43:27 yet counterproductive Sep 29 17:45:33 mwester: I believe that they'll ship with 2007.2 until sometime later in October. Sep 29 17:46:14 Dave: This was happening even before FR was shipped :-( Sep 29 17:46:43 hehe! "Let's ship a release we killed off, because we have nothing that we can put on the phone that's any better" Sep 29 17:47:00 lol Sep 29 17:47:06 * mwester is about to throw the GTA0x's into the basement and forget about it Sep 29 17:47:10 What are the downsides of debian + fso? Sep 29 17:47:16 mwester, may I solve? Sep 29 17:47:23 "What is Windows Mobile 6?" Sep 29 17:47:28 \o/ Sep 29 17:47:37 wurp2|working: FSO framework still isn't too stable, and is a little quirky, but getting better. Sep 29 17:47:47 mwester, it's a pretty good deal as far as I'm concerned Sep 29 17:47:56 because you can't really get 2007 anymore, and it was the best :p Sep 29 17:47:59 overall Sep 29 17:48:03 bricode: the weird thing is that fso ms1 was very stable Sep 29 17:48:08 wurp2|working: Debian is pretty sweet. Sep 29 17:48:11 Mwester :) Sep 29 17:48:25 fso ms3 is not :P Sep 29 17:48:33 wurp2|working: Never ran it. Just have been using the zhone stuff and framework on Debian. Sep 29 17:48:38 wurp2|working: doesn't suspend, still kills battery, wifi doesn't work reliably, -- and then the fact that zhone is still only a demo. Sep 29 17:48:38 wurp2|working: Well, that happens when you're working on stuff and have to keep track of all the features you add... Sep 29 17:48:45 what om should do is focus on the FSO and re-hire openhand to bring up the 2007 apps to it Sep 29 17:48:52 The more code you write the more bugs you have Sep 29 17:49:03 :D Sep 29 17:49:07 And MS3 really was a shitty release Sep 29 17:49:12 :D Sep 29 17:49:19 Tig|: Getting rid of Openhand was a bad idea IMHO. Sep 29 17:49:23 What Om should do is contract with Nokia to get Qtopia running well, and throw all their developers on FSO. Sep 29 17:49:32 We didn't really have that much time to test them Sep 29 17:49:35 bricode: agreed Sep 29 17:49:39 alphaone: Yeah, that's why it all needs good automated tests, and easily repeatable tests for the non-automatable stuff (inherent in a phone :-( ) and at least one dedicated tester Sep 29 17:49:40 Yes, literally, THROW the developers :) Sep 29 17:49:45 * bricode *cough* Android *cough*. Sep 29 17:49:46 :D Sep 29 17:49:51 wurp2|working: I agree Sep 29 17:49:58 * mwester would even accept Android at this point. Sep 29 17:50:04 * Dave stabs brian Sep 29 17:50:12 wurp2|working: But that will need time to stablize as well Sep 29 17:50:15 Mwester, finally lost it? :P Sep 29 17:50:19 Dave: Told you I was a dick :) Sep 29 17:50:23 :D Sep 29 17:50:34 wurp2|working: But current testing builds are pretty stable in my book Sep 29 17:50:35 alphaone: Yeah Sep 29 17:50:40 You mean like try { boot(); } catch(e) { throw(developer); }? Sep 29 17:50:51 :D Sep 29 17:50:59 alphaone: Very nice! Now we just need someone to step up & be Kevin for FSO + debian Sep 29 17:51:17 MnemonicPunk: You forgot public static void main Sep 29 17:51:17 heh Sep 29 17:51:23 fucking java Sep 29 17:51:49 speaking of which, anyone know if and where the package that provides cacerts for moko lives? Sep 29 17:51:53 Dave: Yep, I've lost it. I think to save my sanity I need to take a vacation from these useless Om devices for a while. Sep 29 17:51:58 I was getting errors before because they weren't installed :( Sep 29 17:52:02 alphaone: Do I have to write complete pseudocode nowadays? =( Sep 29 17:52:04 Dave: A whole whack of phones run Java. Sep 29 17:52:12 mwester, I've started to :) Sep 29 17:52:12 really they have had all the ingredients, openhand for the apps, FSO for the backend and raster to make it pretty and add lots of usable shininess :) Sep 29 17:52:30 brian: http://rafb.net/p/9kLvgs83.html Sep 29 17:52:34 wah wah :( Sep 29 17:52:36 Tig|: and the OM mgmt to get the fuck out of the way :-( Sep 29 17:52:48 wurp2 huhu Sep 29 17:52:56 Tig|: But raster is e and ohand is GTK, so that doesn't add up... Sep 29 17:52:57 Let's start a mutiny! Sep 29 17:52:58 I'm going to port SlugOS to the GTA01, using a USB ethernet dongle -- it'll make a pretty nice little ARM server. Sep 29 17:52:58 bricode: yes a lot of phones do run java but they actually require rebuilts for each fecking phone and then need signing off by each network Sep 29 17:53:05 Unless you want different UI Sep 29 17:53:16 alphaone, pit them against one another to the death? Sep 29 17:53:17 Dave: Isn't it beautiful? 32+ call levels deep... Sep 29 17:53:19 :) Sep 29 17:53:30 brian, no, it's not! >:( Sep 29 17:53:39 It's sad and annoying! Sep 29 17:53:53 alphaone: yes the apps are gtk but illume is e and the idea was to be able to use more than one tool kit Sep 29 17:54:00 Tig|: Yep. Doesn't really adhere to the "write once, run everywhere" thing. You can give Java apps their own little sandbox to play in though. Sep 29 17:54:30 Anyway, where do I get the fucking CAcerts from, for this mofo? :P Sep 29 17:54:31 Tig|: Yes, that is true. Sep 29 17:54:53 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6b1fa6bbc6f2 10/src/zhone: escape '<', '>' and '&' in edje textblocks Sep 29 17:55:37 Why can't all the distros just combine together to form VOLTRON? Sep 29 17:56:11 One ring to rule them all? ;) Sep 29 17:56:12 or some amalgamate thing :p Sep 29 17:56:19 viq, pretty much :P Sep 29 17:56:21 bricode: it is mainly so that networks can charge access to their closed market, which is kind of what OM is supposed to be the opposite of Sep 29 17:56:23 I'm actually looking forward to SHR Sep 29 17:56:27 Aren't we all! Sep 29 17:56:33 note the S Sep 29 17:56:34 :P Sep 29 17:56:47 fuck that gimme HR at the moment... Sep 29 17:56:56 Tig|: It's also to provide security and stability for their networks. Sep 29 17:57:00 haha Sep 29 17:57:02 Agreed :p Sep 29 17:57:09 kids... Sep 29 17:57:14 TmT Sep 29 17:57:37 We see you there, gawking at our discourse! Sep 29 17:57:54 indeed Sep 29 17:58:08 though, you failed with the nick thing, son Sep 29 17:58:44 bricode: yeah, odd it is a flat rate really considering that obviously they are checking each app for stability and security reasons as surely some apps would be more complicated to test than others :P Sep 29 18:09:26 I'm having trouble getting my freerunner to connect to an P Sep 29 18:09:31 AP via wifi Sep 29 18:09:39 any know issues with 2008.9? Sep 29 18:14:24 connection to an open AP is working fine from another OE based system Sep 29 18:16:26 * cbrake finds wifi can only connect one issue ... Sep 29 18:44:14 mwester: What's the easiest way to mess around with the OM-kernel? Doing it within openembedded seems too much overhead... Sep 29 18:45:29 Fetch it from the OM git repo; you'll need the toolchain as well. Sep 29 18:46:08 mwester: hm ok, I will give that a try. Sep 29 18:46:11 mwester: thanks! Sep 29 18:46:13 Check the kernel mailing list archives; the procedure to get the correct branch is outlines. Sep 29 18:46:16 er, outlined. Sep 29 18:54:18 kernel is much more tolerant to toolchains so if you build one with any options it will most probably work Sep 29 18:55:38 * balrog-k1n uses one toolchain for various machines (including armv5) Sep 29 19:02:37 why are there no logfiles in /var/log, I want log files. :-p Sep 29 19:02:42 hi all anyway Sep 29 19:02:49 good question Sep 29 19:02:57 asked that myself too Sep 29 19:03:34 but no one answered *g* Sep 29 19:03:48 :-p Sep 29 19:04:18 Because writing to flash wears it out. Sep 29 19:04:35 you could write to a ramdisk Sep 29 19:04:53 yes, good idea (actually there is not enough ram! :) ) Sep 29 19:05:11 logrotate ;) Sep 29 19:05:20 :-) Sep 29 19:20:06 hi Sep 29 19:20:19 any problems compiling fso-unstable atm ? Sep 29 19:35:52 hi Sep 29 19:48:41 peter__b: with bitbake? Sep 29 19:53:59 lindi-: do you happen to know about any broken packages in debian? Trying to install right now, but gstreamer0.10-good or something is complaining Sep 29 19:58:15 xt: the arm buildd machine are bit slow Sep 29 19:58:50 is it a freerunner building? (: Sep 29 19:59:01 nope Sep 29 19:59:11 xt: agricola.debian.org is bit faster Sep 29 19:59:42 is there a .tar.gz I can download somewhere that's preinstalled? Sep 29 20:03:41 xt: afaik not Sep 29 20:03:52 anyone here been trying usb memory sticks on the freerunner Sep 29 20:03:59 works Sep 29 20:26:34 I can't seem to find the right device or the usb memory stick Sep 29 20:29:16 bove: should be visible n dmesg Sep 29 20:29:25 i guess sd[a-z] Sep 29 20:32:56 hmm... my mini usb to usb a doesn't seem to work very well Sep 29 20:35:43 even an external powered hdd wont show up in dmesg Sep 29 20:39:21 bove: did you remove the usb network driver? Sep 29 20:40:15 oh wait.. there aren't modules Sep 29 20:40:16 *g* Sep 29 20:40:31 sorry.. i have no clue Sep 29 20:40:31 :) Sep 29 20:42:44 How would I go about creating an FSO image with OE? Is it as simple as saying "bitbake fso-image"? Sep 29 20:47:15 lindi- : yes, ttf-liberation_0.2.bb fails Sep 29 20:56:54 can anyone confirme I don't need to change manually from usb client mode to host mode in 2008.9? Sep 29 20:57:08 bove: how would it work then? Sep 29 20:57:35 one question, would be too hard to get a freerunner in Argentina? Sep 29 20:57:37 ? Sep 29 20:57:58 lindi-: what do you mean? Sep 29 20:58:02 lindi-: is there a more updated mirror somewhere, I cant install fso-frameworkd :( Sep 29 20:59:51 bove: what does cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode give you ? Sep 29 21:00:00 bove: yeah, is there a way to detect it automatically? Sep 29 21:00:59 and cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode ? Sep 29 21:01:04 FilipLinux4BE: it says device. Should I change it to host? Sep 29 21:01:22 think so. echo host > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode Sep 29 21:01:39 and echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-host.0/hostmode Sep 29 21:02:18 even if it is an externally powered usb hdd. I think the 'host' is still responsible for providing 5V on the usb bus Sep 29 21:02:51 xt: better ask on #openmoko-debian, i'll reply when i have more time :) Sep 29 21:03:02 ok, thanks Sep 29 21:03:47 too many bugs to fix/report Sep 29 21:05:09 * OdyX waits patiently for the "5 seconds boot" on the FreeRunner. Sep 29 21:07:28 FilipLinux4BE: Thanks. Got some sticks working now Sep 29 21:07:32 /join #angstrom Sep 29 21:07:36 oops :) Sep 29 21:08:34 one question, will be too hard to get a freerunner in Argentina? Sep 29 21:08:43 the main trouble are really high taxes Sep 29 21:09:05 it costs like U$S300 more Sep 29 21:09:17 getting one shipped to you should be no problem, for you to get it is between you and the local customs... Sep 29 21:10:49 I'm worried about the taxes, they're pretty high here, so the $400 freerunner would cost me $700 instead Sep 29 21:12:21 strange... memory sticks seems to work fine, while a harddrive appears in dmesg but is not mapped to a device Sep 29 21:14:14 hdd is powered ? Sep 29 21:15:00 what does dmesg report ? Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5964.855000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5969.865000] usb-storage: device scan complete Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5969.885000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:0 Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5969.890000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:1 Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5969.895000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:2 Sep 29 21:16:04 [ 5969.900000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:3 Sep 29 21:16:06 [ 5969.905000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:4 Sep 29 21:16:08 [ 5969.910000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:5 Sep 29 21:16:10 [ 5969.915000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:6 Sep 29 21:16:12 [ 5969.920000] PM: Removing info for No Bus:target3:0:7 Sep 29 21:17:38 another hdd actually worked fine. Only problem is missing file system support Sep 29 21:17:44 spam Sep 29 21:20:17 bove: install the kernel modules, I think most common filesystems are being built in the standard images. Sep 29 21:21:57 where can I find these modules? I'm about to download ntfs-3g now Sep 29 21:27:59 opkg install kernel-module- Sep 29 21:35:09 where can I find a module list for 2008.9? I can only find some for 2007.11 Sep 29 21:41:43 opkg list | grep kernel-module Sep 29 21:42:55 opkg list | grep -i ntfs Sep 29 21:42:55 returns nothing Sep 29 21:47:06 thanks for your help anyway. No hard feelings for me spamming the channel with rookie question, right? Sep 29 21:47:21 Good night everyone Sep 29 22:42:23 Hmm Sep 29 22:42:33 mwester Sep 29 22:45:55 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r10562d9e99f9 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogpsd: Send ConnectionStatusChanged signal Sep 29 22:47:29 Alright, building ttf-liberation with OE fails not only for me, it seems. =( Sep 29 22:49:25 Congratulations? It's a failparty! Sep 29 22:49:28 :| Sep 29 22:49:35 lol Sep 29 22:50:37 wurp Sep 29 22:54:41 watcha buildin' in the lab, Dave? Frankenstein? Sep 29 22:55:22 Frankenmoko. Sep 29 22:55:32 The opensource living creature framework. Sep 29 22:55:36 MnemonicPunk: pull Sep 29 22:55:40 should work again Sep 29 22:55:55 Hm? Sep 29 22:56:24 What do you mean? Sep 29 22:56:30 * mwester fetches a rope to help pull Sep 29 22:56:40 MnemonicPunk: update your repo Sep 29 22:56:54 Okay. Sep 29 22:56:55 make update if you are using the mokomakefile Sep 29 22:57:26 Yeah Sep 29 22:57:32 * mwester watches an 80GB disk format... on USB 1.1 Sep 29 22:57:35 Sigh. Sep 29 22:57:38 hahahaha Sep 29 22:57:54 Mwester, I'm backing up just about that much! Sep 29 22:58:00 pesky mokos Sep 29 22:58:22 good thing the internal flash size is small :p Sep 29 22:58:31 go go rsync! Sep 29 22:58:39 I think I'll abort this and go put it on the laptop. Sep 29 22:58:58 haha Sep 29 22:59:01 pretty much :p Sep 29 22:59:17 Backing up that much? Internal flash is rather smaller than that! Sep 29 22:59:39 I'm backing up the SD's on all these freerunners simultaneously over usb1.1, but it's faster than me bothering to power down, reopen each, close up, get 8 card readers... yadda yadda Sep 29 22:59:43 :p Sep 29 22:59:51 plus I can do them all in parallel so, woo Sep 29 23:00:12 You have 8 FRs? 8 x the pain... Sep 29 23:00:14 mwester, 10 freerunners... 8GB SD cards... most of them 97% or so filled :p Sep 29 23:00:20 Gack. Sep 29 23:00:22 you do the math :D Sep 29 23:00:23 But... Sep 29 23:00:35 But but but but Sep 29 23:00:50 Do you have any standard image or even the stock kernel on them? Sep 29 23:01:07 As in, can you comment on if you see the WSOD on all, some, or none? Sep 29 23:01:24 What does this have to do with my backing them up? Sep 29 23:01:29 Nothing. Sep 29 23:01:40 Opportunistic question. Sep 29 23:01:47 Oh, are you asking if any of them use standard images, and if so, do I get the WSOD on any of them? Sep 29 23:01:49 I had no idea anyone had more than one. Sep 29 23:01:50 Ah >:) Sep 29 23:01:56 Oh, hah Sep 29 23:02:21 I'm trying to figure out if there is any truth to the suspicion that some devices exhibit this, and others (such as the one I have) are relatively immune. Sep 29 23:02:31 what could possibly be the reason for having 10 of them ... :/ ? Sep 29 23:02:36 Mwester, I've run a myriad of images, but out of all of them, I've only gotten the WSOD a few times (maybe three or four?), on older 2007/2008 images. Sep 29 23:02:44 and it was only for a period of a week's images Sep 29 23:02:50 sicu: Dave talks a lot, can't you tell? :p Sep 29 23:02:55 before and beyond that development point I've never had problems Sep 29 23:03:09 Mwester, I need one for each of my personalities? :) Sep 29 23:03:10 DaveLab: You with 8 crazy mokos. You're cooking up something fancy aren't you? :) Sep 29 23:03:24 Ok. Inconclusive then. My suspicion is that certain images trigger the problem, not the hardware... Sep 29 23:03:25 Brian... you'll see... >:) Sep 29 23:03:35 Mwester, I believe that's absolutely correct. Sep 29 23:03:54 From what I hear, the majority of users experiencing the WSoD are using 2008 or some variant. Sep 29 23:03:54 Build still fails. =( Sep 29 23:04:00 WSOD during boot? Sep 29 23:04:09 I have no conclusive evidence to support this other than my observations of complainers here :) Sep 29 23:04:12 DaveLab: That is exactly the sense I have as well. Sep 29 23:04:52 bricode: WSOD upon resuming the device after it suspends. Sep 29 23:04:56 Mwester, honestly, the more frequent, yet similar issue I experienced with the late 2007 images (a few weeks before retirement), were where it'd boot but stay on the OM logo and never get past it :p Sep 29 23:05:07 that was fixed after, but I just thought I'd state it :) Sep 29 23:05:33 i've never had the WSOD ... but then i have never tried the 2008.* variants ... just all the other ones Sep 29 23:05:44 Mwester, I hope the OM team doesn't just blame it on the glamo, and continue development, ignoring the issue :) Sep 29 23:05:50 * DaveLab high-fives sicu Sep 29 23:05:50 Yeah, that boot image annoyed me -- good to have the code there, but that shouldn't be turned on until the device is stable enough that we won't ever need to see where it got stuck in boot. Sep 29 23:06:16 DaveLab: you are reading my mind on this issue. I am becoming worried that Om is doing exactly that. Sep 29 23:06:56 mwester: It's easier to sweep things under the rug. Sep 29 23:07:26 i think we would all be able to predict how Om deals with issues Sep 29 23:07:28 One time during boot up from the SD card in Debian, my u-boot got blown away. Sep 29 23:07:46 they must have one huge rug Sep 29 23:07:47 Mwester, seems like, and on more than just this one issue :\ Sep 29 23:08:01 sicu, exactly!!! Sep 29 23:08:08 Ok, I'm going to set up a torture test for my FR with suspend/resume this week, and see if we can't get some statistics. Sep 29 23:08:11 Makes me want to torch Sean's house :\ Sep 29 23:08:20 * sicu is tempted to sweep his FR under the rug too Sep 29 23:08:20 or just his goddamn rug :p Sep 29 23:08:25 sicu yeah :[ Sep 29 23:08:28 aren't we all, at times Sep 29 23:08:46 sigh ... it's a shame though :/ Sep 29 23:08:46 Mwester, I could probably donate ten or so phones to the fight, if you'd like. Sep 29 23:08:59 Running the same, or different images on each, and seeing what happens. Sep 29 23:09:00 * mwester things sweeping it wouldnt' be nearly as much fun as using it for what the case seems to be designed for: a hockey game. Sep 29 23:09:14 haha Sep 29 23:09:18 =] Sep 29 23:09:19 Oh, you're one of the hockey puck people :) Sep 29 23:09:27 I still think the shower radio was more fitting :P Sep 29 23:09:36 THe orange Neo looked like a pool toy. Sep 29 23:09:41 FYI, IT'S TOTALLY NOT WATERPROOF Sep 29 23:09:51 xD Sep 29 23:09:52 and the invisible shield protectors DO NOT MAKE IT WATERPROOF. Sep 29 23:09:56 * mwester wonders how Dave knows that. Sep 29 23:09:59 I have tried... and uhhh... learned :P Sep 29 23:10:02 Dave probably found that out empiricially. Sep 29 23:10:04 shit, I shouldn't have said that :D Sep 29 23:10:06 -i Sep 29 23:10:15 So, once there were 11, huh? Sep 29 23:10:21 sssssssh Sep 29 23:10:24 xD Sep 29 23:10:24 :P Sep 29 23:10:30 And then there were none... Sep 29 23:10:32 No, once there was a truckload + 8 Sep 29 23:10:38 >:D Sep 29 23:10:40 Now there's no more pool. Sep 29 23:10:44 Oh well, at least you have a spare battery, which you probably need frequently since nothing shuts the ****** thing down when the bat is low! Sep 29 23:10:58 mwester, 2007 solved that a while ago Sep 29 23:11:04 after much bitching (me included) :) Sep 29 23:11:05 Shhhhh.. raster is here. Sep 29 23:11:08 I was pleased with the result. Sep 29 23:11:11 hoenoes Sep 29 23:11:11 hmmm, does it float ?? Sep 29 23:11:15 :D Sep 29 23:11:19 * raster stabs mwester Sep 29 23:11:22 wonder if Dave letterman would do it Sep 29 23:11:25 MUAHHAHAHAHAHA Sep 29 23:11:26 Ah, the rasterman is back. xD Sep 29 23:11:32 Eeeeeeeeeeexcellent. Sep 29 23:11:37 * raster runs Sep 29 23:11:38 * mwester bleeds all over his FR, and magically it works better! Sep 29 23:11:41 * raster has the runs Sep 29 23:11:43 Time to flash these bitches. Sep 29 23:11:46 raster: Do you have any idea why ttf-liberation fails to build for me? Sep 29 23:11:52 mwester: yay! you solved it! Sep 29 23:11:53 :) Sep 29 23:11:53 Mwester, oh no, now it's got a taste for blood! Sep 29 23:11:55 MnemonicPunk: log file? Sep 29 23:12:00 MnemonicPunk: yes... it's missing my magic patch! Sep 29 23:12:01 DaveLab: Have you worked out a decent mass flashing method? Sep 29 23:12:02 :) Sep 29 23:12:05 DaveLab would bleed out before he could cover all his devices with blood :p Sep 29 23:12:10 brian, it's a hack Sep 29 23:12:10 * raster has a small army of patches... Sep 29 23:12:16 but I'd really like to formalize it Sep 29 23:12:18 hmmm Sep 29 23:12:24 I have to flash 60 phones on wednesday Sep 29 23:12:27 DaveLab: Via USB or something else? Sep 29 23:12:30 i possibly should put this in svn... Sep 29 23:12:31 or rather BEFORE Sep 29 23:12:32 Say what? 60? Sep 29 23:12:42 Alright, request immediate raster backup, deploy now, rendezvous at 1150 Sep 29 23:12:50 Roger roger Sep 29 23:12:56 in fact.. thats a fab idea Sep 29 23:12:58 With what?!! I'm just imagining the tech support nightmare with 60 new users with any current image... Sep 29 23:13:08 DaveLab: Wow. I hope you have a whack of self-installing SD card images... Sep 29 23:13:10 Mwester, WELCOME TO MY WORLD. Sep 29 23:13:22 raster: Honestly, do I need a patch for that? Sep 29 23:13:27 Why do you think my sanity has tanked so. :) Sep 29 23:13:42 Did you volunteer for this mission? Sep 29 23:13:44 DaveLab: Or a modified u-boot/filesystem to do an NFS mount followed by some exotic dd command. Sep 29 23:13:51 In other news, any leads on finding a cacerts package for moko? Sep 29 23:13:57 brian, yeah perhaps Sep 29 23:14:07 right now, it's just a whopping usb hub Sep 29 23:14:15 DaveLab: Ugly. Sep 29 23:14:16 * sicu doubts DaveLabs sanity in the first place for buying 10 of them Sep 29 23:14:26 DaveLab: Can you take a photo for me? Sep 29 23:14:29 uhh Sep 29 23:14:42 it's like looking at a white table covered in black spaghetti Sep 29 23:14:47 :( Sep 29 23:14:59 I doubt it; that much brokenness in one place would bend space and make photos blurry. Sep 29 23:15:04 ooooh ... freerunner meatballs Sep 29 23:15:16 the layout changes so frequently, and I have to frequently disconnect one so I can BEAT IT, until it does what I want Sep 29 23:15:21 then reintegrate it INTO THE HIVE Sep 29 23:15:27 Mwester :) Sep 29 23:15:51 DaveLab: Ever considered acoustic maintenance for that? Sep 29 23:16:00 No :P Sep 29 23:16:27 shit, I have to finish Sep 29 23:16:32 DaveLab: Just take some old USB-stick you find, drop it right next to your hub and smash it with a sledgehammer. Your devices will immediately obey. Sep 29 23:16:51 >:) Sep 29 23:16:56 Set an example. Sep 29 23:16:59 haha Sep 29 23:17:03 Exactly. Sep 29 23:17:17 Good old BOFH teachings. xD Sep 29 23:17:22 it was bad though, I like the fact I have written a distributed command interface, so I can control my massively growing freerunner army Sep 29 23:17:45 except the other night when I wanted to run another group differential backup, but accidentally switched them all into runlevel 0 :( Sep 29 23:17:49 hahaha Sep 29 23:18:05 o.O Sep 29 23:18:42 You got a distributed command interface for turning them on and off? Now that's lazy. o.o Sep 29 23:19:29 You should make that tells one of your freerunners to call the others. Sep 29 23:19:34 That'd be a nice concert. Sep 29 23:19:36 MnemonicPunk: yes - you do Sep 29 23:19:41 (need patch) Sep 29 23:19:49 Raster Sep 29 23:19:57 We've been touching your releases all afternoon! Sep 29 23:20:05 uh oh Sep 29 23:20:10 raster: Link plx =) Sep 29 23:20:12 i'm actually putting my oe build in svn Sep 29 23:20:17 with patches Sep 29 23:20:22 Do that. Sep 29 23:20:46 Buuut. Sep 29 23:20:50 Link me plx. xD Sep 29 23:20:51 raster: i love your new image ... i have no noise or echo during calls anymore =] Sep 29 23:21:04 Because that's the only package missing for my image. >_> Sep 29 23:21:37 ic my image... doesnt do calls.. great. isn't it! :) Sep 29 23:21:51 ;] ^^ Sep 29 23:21:57 uggh Sep 29 23:22:05 I have to back up the qtopia phones now... Sep 29 23:22:19 And I am really compelled to just wipe all the data, and not save anything from them... :P Sep 29 23:22:24 * DaveLab grumbles Sep 29 23:22:47 just sweep everything under the rug Sep 29 23:23:26 Fuck you, Openmoko! Sep 29 23:23:40 fuck: command not found Sep 29 23:23:52 on my system, it most certainly is! Sep 29 23:24:05 well, my laptop, anyway Sep 29 23:24:17 You should symlink "fuck you" to "rm -rf /" xD Sep 29 23:24:27 actually, funny you should mention that! Sep 29 23:24:41 I was debating whether to rm -rf / all these freerunners or just reimage them :D Sep 29 23:24:45 and be done with it tonight Sep 29 23:24:54 I wasn't sure which would be more painful for them. Sep 29 23:24:56 >:) Sep 29 23:25:06 hmmm Sep 29 23:25:20 i wonder how i get patch to ski "reverse the patch" query... Sep 29 23:25:30 sounds hot Sep 29 23:27:47 ok Sep 29 23:27:49 test-time Sep 29 23:27:56 More enlightenment please! Sep 29 23:28:10 j #e.de Sep 29 23:28:14 argh :) Sep 29 23:28:19 Die Deutschen! Sep 29 23:28:22 * balrog-k1n turns on the light Sep 29 23:28:22 :o Sep 29 23:28:45 Balrogkun, I plug a usb light into my freerunner sometimes :P Sep 29 23:28:47 xD Sep 29 23:29:00 the weight is nice and heavy, so it makes a good bed lamp Sep 29 23:29:07 other than that, it doesn't do very much. Sep 29 23:29:12 haha Sep 29 23:29:14 :) Sep 29 23:29:23 usb-light sounds like a good idea ... my battery always lasts way to long anyway Sep 29 23:29:29 haha Sep 29 23:29:35 you could turn the light on and off by inserting and removing the usb module in a script Sep 29 23:29:38 "Oh don't mind that, it's just my linux bedlamp." Sep 29 23:29:43 :D Sep 29 23:29:45 better yet Sep 29 23:29:47 if you had more of them each attached to a freerunner Sep 29 23:30:00 if I could somehow write a program to use the microphone and create a smart "Clapper" Sep 29 23:30:04 :D Sep 29 23:30:09 lol Sep 29 23:30:15 * raster awaits the testicles... Sep 29 23:30:28 or better yet, change the Activation phrase to something else Sep 29 23:30:32 preferably more profane :) Sep 29 23:30:39 * DaveLab throws a qtopia freerunner at raster Sep 29 23:30:44 DaveLab: do none of your devices suffer from the 1024 bug? Sep 29 23:31:05 raster: What exactly are you testing? Sep 29 23:31:09 oh crap this will wake a while Sep 29 23:31:18 Receiving objects: 1% (2384/172648), 459.99 KiB | 12 KiB/s Sep 29 23:31:55 looks like raster is gitting git Sep 29 23:32:46 mnd i put my install.sh, patches, my osn custom package.bb's and everything u need to set up your own build treee in e's svn Sep 29 23:32:55 before i commit it - need to check it works Sep 29 23:32:56 :) Sep 29 23:33:07 as i just copied my own setup out of my current oe tree. Sep 29 23:33:19 i will probably migrate over to using this... Sep 29 23:33:24 but first to get it started Sep 29 23:33:35 Any chance you'd share that patch so I can see if my image works? ^^ Sep 29 23:33:48 what it do4es mean is u'll have an oe build tree set up "the oe way" (the way oe wants u to on their wiki) Sep 29 23:33:57 and works off oe's dev git tree Sep 29 23:34:01 yes Sep 29 23:34:04 the patch is in there Sep 29 23:34:10 along with a bunch of others Sep 29 23:34:17 Whee, they're screaming in agony! Sep 29 23:34:32 lpotter, take that, scanning documents! hahahah Sep 29 23:35:14 Dave you should connect your phones x servers and make them form one big widescreen. xD Sep 29 23:35:39 MnemonicPunk: when i know this works - i'll commit it Sep 29 23:35:44 u can use it then too Sep 29 23:35:46 * mwester thinks that's an interesting idea; an audio interface to indicate cpu/load usage... screaming computers... Sep 29 23:35:47 i dont need to do a build Sep 29 23:35:53 i just need to know if the bit checkout works Sep 29 23:36:00 and the inital patch works Sep 29 23:38:56 Mwester :P Sep 29 23:39:15 I like how #openmoko is essentially raster's blog :) Sep 29 23:39:32 hahahahah Sep 29 23:39:42 Hey, no arguments from me :) Sep 29 23:39:52 17% Sep 29 23:39:54 ... Sep 29 23:40:34 whoa whoa whoa, wtf Sep 29 23:40:53 More like Twitter. Sep 29 23:41:46 oh gawd Sep 29 23:42:08 Man, downloading the fucking OM wiki takes FOREVER Sep 29 23:42:13 they need to move out of china Sep 29 23:42:17 :P Sep 29 23:42:35 maybe you need to move TO china? Sep 29 23:42:36 :) Sep 29 23:42:44 har :P Sep 29 23:42:56 and maybe you need to eat more roo! Sep 29 23:43:08 damn... I'm hungry... I could totally go for some rooburgers right about now... Sep 29 23:43:25 * EvilDaveLab salivates all over his desk narrowly avoiding several freerunners in the process. Sep 29 23:53:30 raster: moin! Sep 29 23:54:20 moo Sep 29 23:54:44 raster: actually it's really bad our servers are located in TW Sep 29 23:55:02 bah! Sep 29 23:55:05 just move to .tw! Sep 29 23:55:06 :) Sep 29 23:55:16 maybe TW needs a better FDDI cable Sep 29 23:55:42 like 160 glas-fibre Sep 29 23:56:14 directly to decix or wtf it's called Sep 29 23:56:47 (.tw move) nope, too many hurricanes Sep 29 23:57:03 hehehe Sep 29 23:57:21 recently the worst one this year - that's why TPE is so quiet today :-D Sep 29 23:58:11 no work while windy outside Sep 29 23:58:51 HAHAHAHHA Sep 29 23:58:52 lame Sep 29 23:58:57 perfect time to work Sep 29 23:59:05 can't go anywhere. may as well work! Sep 29 23:59:46 yup, but you know our coleagues have to go to work first ;-) Sep 30 00:00:15 if they can't go anywhere - too bad Sep 30 00:00:50 well on last one I did the same, stay at OM-appartment, but I still worked ;-) Sep 30 00:01:12 work at home@! Sep 30 00:01:12 :) Sep 30 00:01:16 yeah Sep 30 00:01:21 internude still works Sep 30 00:01:22 laptosp work Sep 30 00:01:24 work! Sep 30 00:01:24 :) Sep 30 00:01:31 and last one was lame (oops actually was before last I guess) Sep 30 00:02:19 btw: is there any real suspend mode on N810? Sep 30 00:03:01 or is that always only "dim, clockdown, and flash the nice LED"? Sep 30 00:04:55 It uses the OMAP, doesn't it? I think the OMAP suspend is rather different than the Samsung, and I think it could actually power down almost everything except the core, and clock that down really low. But I don't know how they actually do it. Sep 30 00:05:47 jOERG_rw: it's more like dim and stop the clocks until there's something to do Sep 30 00:05:56 jOERG_rw: there's suspend too, but maemo doesn't use it Sep 30 00:06:04 well, samsung 64xx should be able to power down in function blocks as well, no? Sep 30 00:06:06 it has a gui to enter suspend though Sep 30 00:06:24 jo some people worked on "real suspend" for n800 Sep 30 00:06:26 what's that called Sep 30 00:06:30 but i dont think they ever got it working well Sep 30 00:06:41 raster: it worked out of the box for me Sep 30 00:06:44 jOERG_rw: mwester: if you want N810 suspend traces, let me know. Sep 30 00:06:44 joas such the n800 never suspends as it coems from nokia Sep 30 00:06:50 with the default kernel Sep 30 00:07:06 balrog-k1n: i rememebr reading about it a year ago or so and people having problems Sep 30 00:07:10 balrog-k1n: how to do it? Sep 30 00:07:17 jOERG_rw: do you have the R&D maemo image installeD? Sep 30 00:07:30 probably not Sep 30 00:07:38 jOERG_rw: i suppose just echo mem > /sys/power/state would work too Sep 30 00:07:51 the R&D images have a program named Field Test Monitor Sep 30 00:07:57 will try that, mompl... Sep 30 00:08:18 it does all kiinds of maintenance stuff, very nice, draws graphs of the voltages on different pins in time etc Sep 30 00:10:39 balrog-k1n: gnnn, rw-r--r--, and I don't have root-pw (*blush*) Sep 30 00:11:27 ah Sep 30 00:11:32 balrog-k1n: where to get R&D? some repository to add to progmanager? Sep 30 00:12:05 you could try "sudo gainroot" but it may work or not.. to gain root Sep 30 00:12:18 jOERG_rw: i don't know, i had to download it from and internal vpn Sep 30 00:12:22 *an Sep 30 00:12:43 because the device had no serial number so i could even download anything official :p Sep 30 00:12:44 yup, worked (root) Sep 30 00:14:15 echo mem > /sys/power/state blanks screen (=dims) but comes up 2sec later again Sep 30 00:14:39 now it's frozen :D Sep 30 00:14:51 hmm :p Sep 30 00:15:06 i had some touchscreen issues after resume iirc Sep 30 00:15:11 actually the shell where I issued cmd only Sep 30 00:15:27 oh and i think and i had to release the enter key really quickly for it to stay in suspend Sep 30 00:15:28 rest of device is well and up Sep 30 00:16:06 jOERG_rw: might want to change root password while u're at it :) Sep 30 00:16:30 ATM KBD is dead Sep 30 00:16:38 TS alive Sep 30 00:18:10 gnhnnnhnhn, will have to boot :-/ Sep 30 00:18:15 as i said Sep 30 00:18:18 i read peole have problems Sep 30 00:18:19 :) Sep 30 00:18:23 lol Sep 30 00:18:23 dont remember the details Sep 30 00:18:26 :) Sep 30 00:18:28 raster? Any progress with that patch? Sep 30 00:18:33 but why bother with suspend Sep 30 00:18:41 u get says of time on "zero clock" Sep 30 00:18:44 jOERG_rw: suspending again may fix it Sep 30 00:18:50 just out of curiosity Sep 30 00:18:56 MnemonicPunk: Receiving objects: 28% (48826/172648), 37.05 MiB | 9 KiB/s Sep 30 00:19:05 (feck git is being slow) Sep 30 00:19:15 Okay. ^^ Sep 30 00:19:20 btw Sep 30 00:19:21 balrog-k1n: lol, how should I do that??? Sep 30 00:19:42 Is there any way to make gpe look less ugly? Sep 30 00:20:11 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/oe Sep 30 00:20:14 jOERG_rw: good question... on-screen kbd :p Sep 30 00:20:16 or ssh in Sep 30 00:20:21 WTF 9KiB/s?!!?? Sep 30 00:20:34 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe Sep 30 00:20:43 for my "oe setup" tree Sep 30 00:20:45 balrog-k1n: guide me to the menu entry to open it! Sep 30 00:20:46 and utils Sep 30 00:21:04 jOERG_rw: beats me. yes. wonderfully fast openembedded.org git Sep 30 00:21:09 and it definitely not my end Sep 30 00:21:13 jOERG_rw: if you slide the keyboard back in... it shoudl appear automagically.. in theory Sep 30 00:21:15 i got 24mbit to play with Sep 30 00:21:51 balrog-k1n: never seen this on my device Sep 30 00:22:18 haaah, there it is, I just tapped to the screen randomly Sep 30 00:22:49 :-) Sep 30 00:24:01 there seems a big difference between tapping by finger and tapping by stylus... :-/ Sep 30 00:24:47 MnemonicPunk: gpe.. yes. don't use it.. use e! :) Sep 30 00:24:49 muahhhahaha Sep 30 00:24:50 :) Sep 30 00:26:02 can i get uboot-envedit into om2008.9? Sep 30 00:26:56 It does look good, yes. xD Sep 30 00:27:14 Which one does FSO use? Sep 30 00:34:50 bugger it Sep 30 00:34:53 MnemonicPunk: ... Sep 30 00:34:57 svn co http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/oe Sep 30 00:35:00 patches in there Sep 30 00:36:14 balrog-k1n: suspended pretty, resumed k (on power button only) - alas KBD still broken Sep 30 00:38:37 raster, there is a mistake in oe-flash-gta02.sh. last line should be $ROOTFS not $KERNEL Sep 30 00:40:20 oh yeah Sep 30 00:40:54 :) reboot works with root priv Sep 30 00:43:37 hm Sep 30 00:43:45 I want my FR to beep at me when the battery's getting low Sep 30 00:43:55 has anyone worked on that? are (FSO) patches welcome? Sep 30 00:44:33 Yes, FSO patches are welcomed in my experience. Sep 30 00:44:47 And I don't think there's been any serious work on the batt. low issue. Sep 30 00:45:21 (IMO, that's a direct result of letting all the core devs use bench supplies) Sep 30 00:45:27 balrog-k1n: sleep 5 && echo mem > /sys/power/state actually works pretty (I closed the KBD before suspend) Sep 30 00:45:28 Alright, it works. =) Thanks raster Sep 30 00:46:26 Joerg! :D Sep 30 00:46:52 hey cjb :) Sep 30 00:58:53 What if any packages provide the cacerts? Sep 30 01:00:10 TORIKUNS Sep 30 01:10:12 :\ Sep 30 01:32:20 jOERG_rw: ah, so the keyboard driver sucks Sep 30 01:32:41 jOERG_rw: an interesting question is whether it actually uses less power when suspended than running and idle Sep 30 01:32:54 balrog-k1n: seems your hint with "fast release of return key" is related Sep 30 01:33:21 yup, but I guess it's at least saving power for the LED Sep 30 01:33:52 true Sep 30 01:33:58 I'd be interested in a "suspend to disk" ;-) Sep 30 01:34:38 although iirc it's one of those led chips that have a tiny memory that stores a "program" for the leds and can loop even when everything else is off Sep 30 01:34:47 btw: it really sucks I got no micro->mini SD-adapter :-( Sep 30 01:35:12 you have a pointer to schematics? Sep 30 01:36:29 nope, i've only seen the driver Sep 30 01:37:18 balrog-k1n: actually I did a second test right now, not "closing" the KBD, now it's stuck again Sep 30 01:37:25 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/leds/leds-pca9532.c;h=4064d4f6b33b41a99d093d3e05c65f281ed60588;hb=HEAD <-- might be this one (there's a link to datasheet) Sep 30 01:41:00 nope, it's not Sep 30 01:41:19 the n810 has the LP5521 Sep 30 01:43:24 Joerg, any progress? Sep 30 02:01:25 ~_~ Sep 30 02:01:25 STOP DOING THAT! Sep 30 02:01:31 -_- Sep 30 02:30:08 mne does the oe tree i set up work? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 30 02:59:57 2008