**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 30 02:59:57 2008 Sep 30 03:23:46 FSO users, would you say testing or unstable is better for regular use? Sep 30 03:23:55 also how easy is it to install FSO to the SD Card? Sep 30 03:24:00 without using debian Sep 30 03:29:31 does anyone know if its possible to install an open mobile linux OS on the Nokia 810? Sep 30 03:33:24 another time Sep 30 03:34:17 Is there instructions on installing the base version of FSO-testing to the SD card (instead of using debian)? Sep 30 03:39:50 why not use debian? Sep 30 03:41:11 slaxxin: doesn't have the illume top bar by default which I actually kinda like about FSO, whatever is installed will default to SD card anyway since I want to keep my working 2008.8 on the flash Sep 30 03:41:16 err well FDOM rather Sep 30 03:42:11 ya fdom works ok except for duke nukem Sep 30 03:42:32 slaxxin: I don't use the games anyway lol Sep 30 03:42:38 prjktdtnt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Sep 30 03:42:52 sicu: thanks Sep 30 03:43:11 an something weird about the settings/services when one says wifi is off,,, its on in reality Sep 30 03:43:46 slaxxin: I know, I don't worry about it, spends most of the day in suspend anyway Sep 30 03:44:04 what houers u getting? Sep 30 03:44:21 slaxxin: about 10-12 if I make a few phone calls through the day Sep 30 03:44:26 time on vbatteriey Sep 30 03:44:49 ? Sep 30 03:44:54 yay Sep 30 03:45:01 thats better Sep 30 03:45:21 vbatteriey? Sep 30 03:45:44 misspelled:) Sep 30 03:45:56 blind an cant type Sep 30 03:46:05 right but are you talking the battery app on FDOM or a different app? Sep 30 03:46:37 asking time frame on battery but u answered the ? Sep 30 03:47:22 * sicu predicts confusion ;p Sep 30 03:47:23 so is source avaliable for fdom? i heard talk of no-source ? Sep 30 03:47:40 late prediction Sep 30 03:47:48 slaxxin: it's prebuilt, just a copy of 2008.9 that has modified configs IIRC Sep 30 03:48:05 hehe ... all my predictions are late ... that makes them more accurate ;p Sep 30 03:48:16 100 % Sep 30 03:48:25 ^^ Sep 30 03:48:44 things ar looking better Sep 30 03:48:56 yeh ... no source for fdom .. kinda violates gpl ... but meh Sep 30 03:48:58 prolly untill shr is released Sep 30 03:49:27 they just need to provide it is all correct? Sep 30 03:49:28 sicu: technically, maybe someone should let the dev of FDOM know Sep 30 03:49:50 slaxxin: yes so long as it is available for download then their portion is fulfilled Sep 30 03:50:17 i think they know already ... the way he does it is just install stuff on the phone and make a backup-image ... which is the one made available to us Sep 30 03:50:27 sicu: correct Sep 30 03:50:29 just has to be from their site an not openmokos site? Sep 30 03:50:38 slaxxin: that I'm not sure Sep 30 03:50:44 i doubt that they will ever make source available to us ... it would require too much work on their part Sep 30 03:51:02 sicu: if he grabbed the original source and dropped his modified files in it then his portion would be done Sep 30 03:52:48 yeh .. i guess Sep 30 03:55:59 so when trying to run the debian install.sh format I get this error, which program usually forces this to stay open I can never remember umount: /media/card: device is busy Sep 30 03:56:23 nm Sep 30 03:56:43 got it, hadn't killed all the instances of qpe Sep 30 03:57:16 did they ever fix the problem with partitions on large SD cards? Sep 30 03:57:29 right now I'm still using the 512 just because I've been being cheap Sep 30 04:02:01 nothing that's made its way into stable yet i think :/ Sep 30 04:02:18 (https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802) and (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/19154/focus=19281|) Sep 30 04:02:25 sicu: ok I'll wait then, no point in upgrading and breaking it at the same time Sep 30 04:02:55 hehe .. now where's the fun in playing it safe .. huh ? ;p Sep 30 04:03:30 sicu: sadly when you just want things to work you sometimes have to play it safe Sep 30 04:03:44 luckily things work for the most part so :) Sep 30 04:04:19 true ... but if i just wanted things to work, i wouldnt have bought the FR Sep 30 04:04:29 not for a while yet anyways Sep 30 04:04:51 sicu: for what the primary purpose is for me it works daily Sep 30 04:04:52 but it's fun being part of the work in progress Sep 30 04:05:04 I SMS and make calls and I have been able to do that since day one without major issues Sep 30 04:05:24 I did have a tough time finding the correct value for gsmhandset file but other than that it's been working great Sep 30 04:06:13 same here actually ... i still have an updated 2007.2 image in flash that i use as my everyday phone Sep 30 04:06:52 all other images are for testing and playing Sep 30 04:06:54 sicu: i use FDOM primarily Sep 30 04:07:15 hmm .. and u find that reliable as your everyday phone? Sep 30 04:07:22 2007.2 gave me issues when trying to SMS and was a little clunky for my taste Sep 30 04:07:31 might have to give it another go Sep 30 04:07:43 sicu: it is my everyday phone and has been for about a month now Sep 30 04:08:01 qtopia dialer is clunky but otherwise all is good :) Sep 30 04:08:05 cool =] Sep 30 04:08:41 i'm sure the qtopia image would be reliable too ... but i just didnt like it Sep 30 04:08:43 oh and qtmail sucks for sure (slow and the keyboard can bug out Sep 30 04:08:57 sicu: same, was the most reliable but the biggest pain to get volume set right Sep 30 04:09:26 will be back in a few, feel like stretching for a moment Sep 30 04:09:49 do you have a copy of the gsmhandset file you're using for fdom ? Sep 30 04:10:06 in case i decide to give it another go =] Sep 30 04:12:57 dunno why they dont work these tweaked gsmhandset files into the various stable images .... kinda annoying having to fix it everytime i flash Sep 30 04:17:57 sicu: agreed, sadly handset volume is already up so the biggest thing is turning up the mic (Mono Sidetone to full does the trick) Sep 30 04:19:17 k ... thx Sep 30 04:19:31 i'm off to bed ... it's 6am ;] Sep 30 04:19:43 it's 9pm here so I'm just getting started lol Sep 30 04:19:47 goodnight Sep 30 04:19:58 good luck .... nite Sep 30 04:40:12 well I think I found another reason not to install debian to SD Sep 30 04:40:14 it's broken Sep 30 04:49:32 the SD or debian? Sep 30 04:50:02 ljp: debian, the repos are currently broken Sep 30 04:52:10 one of the dependencies for gstreamer has a problem (this would make it day two actually according to the lists) Sep 30 04:53:51 openmoko: 03marek * r4682 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/codegen/ (argtypes.py h2def.py): Sep 30 04:53:51 openmoko: improve enum handling Sep 30 04:53:51 openmoko: ignore win32 only functions Sep 30 05:17:53 * prjktdtnt crosses fingers that he set up FSO on SD card properly Sep 30 05:18:36 Yes, got it right :) Sep 30 05:29:28 IIRC, we cannot publish cell tower location coordinates on the web? Sep 30 05:29:53 there was some discussion regarding the same in the ML, I believe, not able to find the link Sep 30 05:30:26 why not? Sep 30 05:31:31 raster: giving away network operator infrastructure details? Sep 30 05:31:52 how did u get them? Sep 30 05:32:50 raster: all cell towers provide API that mobile phones can use to get the information; i am only not sure if one can publish them on the web Sep 30 05:33:33 then technically that dat amay be copyright to the telco Sep 30 05:33:33 BUT Sep 30 05:33:34 if u found out by 1. walkign aorund and looking at all cell tower i'd u have Sep 30 05:33:39 find the one with greatest strength Sep 30 05:33:50 and then use your own gps to get its location Sep 30 05:34:06 (ie you SEE the tower/antenna and walk to it and note the gps-coords) Sep 30 05:34:13 then its your info to publish as u see fit Sep 30 05:34:23 ie a "cell tower map" gathered independently Sep 30 05:35:03 raster: ok Sep 30 05:40:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbafec1ed6af6 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: implement closing the modem. Sep 30 05:46:44 openmoko: 03julian_chu 07org.openmoko.dev * rc32ee45dfb5c 10/packages/python/python-xlib_0.14.bb: [python-xlib] Add recipe python-xlib Sep 30 06:11:01 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rc0a11270ffd4 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Added the WaitFileReady tasklet Sep 30 06:11:22 charlie137: woot! Sep 30 06:11:25 that's cool Sep 30 06:14:59 mickey: yep Sep 30 06:15:02 meeting ? Sep 30 06:15:16 ah no Sep 30 06:15:26 just commented on the commit :) Sep 30 06:22:18 heh... so if you're on a bus, and a homeless guy with a cane (who very clearly needs it) seems out of breath and randomly has a nice looking bicycle with him... would you be suspicious? Sep 30 06:28:29 That's less the issue than if you are permitted in our screwed up society to take any action based on the incongruity. Sep 30 06:29:55 i'm not, and didn't Sep 30 06:31:20 I'm rather less worried that someone will steal my beat-up Saturn as I am that they'll crash it into a tree when running from the police -- and then sue me because I didn't get the steering fixed before they stole it. Sep 30 06:32:21 And some stupid useless judge will rule for the crook, because I need to ensure that my vehicle is safe for thieves at all times. Sep 30 06:36:35 mwester, 6th amendment states ""In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." Sep 30 06:36:50 so get a jury, no jury would give a theif damages Sep 30 06:37:01 unless he sues for $19.99... then you're screwed Sep 30 06:38:43 Mantraps are illegal. Sep 30 06:38:58 maybe in the UK they are Sep 30 06:39:08 If you set it up so it's likely to be stolen - keys in - engine running - on the street - then you're gonna be liable. Sep 30 06:39:23 If they've stolen it, it's really unlikely. Sep 30 06:39:30 In the US too. Sep 30 06:39:30 the point is, you shouldn't be Sep 30 06:39:30 nope, there are other laws governing that Sep 30 06:39:44 You can't setup booby-traps on your own land. Sep 30 06:39:54 SpeedEvil: you should be allowed to Sep 30 06:40:14 lots of people leave their cars running unattended to warm them up in cold places, and many are stolen each year as such Sep 30 06:40:31 SpeedEvil: there was a case in the UK where a well known criminal stabbed a plain clothes police officer to death who was on his property. He was found not guilty of murder. Sep 30 06:40:49 it was his property after all. Sep 30 06:40:56 there are even places in this world where people have to leave the engines running while inside the shop or else they can't start it any longer Sep 30 06:41:36 and booby trapping a house is legal, but certain traps break other laws Sep 30 06:41:50 eg, setting up a weapon to fire at a door when it opens is another law you're breaking Sep 30 06:42:11 home alone style buckets of paint swining at them is legal, albeit inadvised Sep 30 06:42:37 I am not able to compile simple gtk application error_log is at URL: http://rafb.net/p/YONiY521.html Sep 30 06:42:44 code and makefile at URL: http://rafb.net/p/DDkUyA73.html Sep 30 06:43:01 as to who you can kill on your property and what they need to be doing in order for you to be allowed to varies Sep 30 06:43:19 in california, the rules are very strict... someone's life needs to be in imminent danger Sep 30 06:43:36 (so that guy running out with your tv... illegal to shoot him in the back) Sep 30 06:43:40 In Illinois, it depends on who you know. Sep 30 06:43:45 unless you're a cop of course Sep 30 06:44:55 probably... oakland cops are known for their itchy fingers Sep 30 06:45:20 but then, they're also known for being shot at... so one could argue it's a self preservation issue Sep 30 06:45:36 Drew Peterson - case in point. Sep 30 07:12:23 hello everyone Sep 30 07:13:44 morning Sep 30 07:13:47 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r77955c070629 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ (om.py ubx.py): Sep 30 07:13:47 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: GTA02Device: Sleep after turning on the chip Sep 30 07:13:47 freesmartphone.org: Make sure the GPS is ready to accept commands after powering it on Sep 30 07:15:09 good morning Sep 30 07:28:19 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r11392b1d2ee3 10/src/zhone: fix missed method renames Sep 30 07:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdf84c48ba7b1 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Sep 30 07:29:26 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Supress org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.NotFound as a possible response to Sep 30 07:29:26 freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook -- instead send an empty list. Sep 30 07:30:49 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07specs * rb58bb46167b7 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Usage: document new signal ResouceAvailable and changed method RequestResource Sep 30 07:40:15 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc1c9e312a1ec 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Sep 30 07:40:15 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: sms.py: Don't encode the last 7 bit if they are padding Sep 30 07:40:15 freesmartphone.org: This fixes a bug where the end of the message had a '@' character Sep 30 07:40:15 freesmartphone.org: appended to it. This would always happen when the message was of such a Sep 30 07:40:17 freesmartphone.org: length that the last bit of the character was encoded in a new byte. The Sep 30 07:40:19 freesmartphone.org: remaining 7bit would then also get decoded (all zero -> @). Sep 30 08:29:11 openmoko: 03zecke * r4683 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (codegen/ ecore_evas/): [pye17] Ignore auto generated files Sep 30 08:48:32 openmoko: 03zecke * r4684 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Sep 30 08:48:32 openmoko: [pye17] Do not hardcode paths Sep 30 08:48:32 openmoko: - use pkg-config and python-config to get the required paths Sep 30 08:48:32 openmoko: - For dependencies E_PATH still needs to be set Sep 30 09:22:19 how can I switch from 2008.09 stable to testing? Sep 30 09:27:14 maaan... has freenode turned stock market node or why does it split like a splatter movie? Sep 30 09:30:10 It's just being true to form ;) Sep 30 09:44:35 how do I disable the splash screen? Sep 30 09:45:04 duct tape? Sep 30 09:45:55 ...no Sep 30 09:46:18 That disables the screen, not the splash screen ;) Sep 30 09:51:27 I'm not sure if the one I want to disable is in the kernel or if it's the psplash mentioned somewhere Sep 30 10:03:25 can someone tell how can I build a simple gtk helloworld (creating a simple window) program on openmoko asu build? Sep 30 10:04:04 or some link?? Sep 30 10:05:46 the same way you would on any linux computer Sep 30 10:06:07 if you're asking how to cross compile, then that's an entirely different game... the wiki has info on building a toolchain Sep 30 10:07:27 jitu3485: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python#Simple_Example_Scripts Sep 30 10:11:17 quickdev: patch will be applied after my lunch :-p Sep 30 10:11:34 Ainulindale, ah, great :) Sep 30 10:12:07 Had to work this morning, Sep 30 10:12:12 I'll be available this afternoon Sep 30 10:12:15 whoa.. qpe eats up nearly 75% of my cpu time Sep 30 10:12:20 Ainulindale, could you implement two functions of ousaged? RequestResource and ReleaseResource? Would be great :) Sep 30 10:12:27 Ainulindale, no problem Sep 30 10:14:17 Ainulindale, I try to implement those two functions and inform you this afternoon if it was a success Sep 30 10:16:27 AJuOnLiNE: how about just using /away? ;) Sep 30 10:35:53 hi Sep 30 10:37:27 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r09ac291c8885 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Cleaned code a little Sep 30 11:10:03 hello Sep 30 11:33:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd30387c091df 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py objects.py): Sep 30 11:33:18 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: send org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.MemoryFull on corresponding Sep 30 11:33:18 freesmartphone.org: incoming CMS ERROR 322 Sep 30 11:45:37 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r86a660108f98 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: tasklet: Added simple messages mechanism between tasklets Sep 30 11:54:39 lpotter: in my code (on FreeRunner) I want to turn on/off bluetooth. I noticed the shortcuts in the devtools use a script to direclty address the i2c bus. In my code, I use QBluetoothLocalDevice and isUp, turnOff, setdiscoverable . Are these functions using the same scripts as the devtools do? Sep 30 12:31:19 Hi! Sep 30 12:31:55 juc1: hii Sep 30 12:33:08 hrm, finding DFSG-free ringtone that is also nice seems to be a challenge Sep 30 12:33:44 any ideas? Sep 30 12:34:36 <[df]> depends what you mean by 'nice' Sep 30 12:35:05 [df]: well something that is easy to hear and minimally disturbs other people Sep 30 12:35:54 <[df]> generate one using a software synth? Sep 30 12:36:11 DFSG? Sep 30 12:36:55 SpeedEvil: http://www.debian.org/social_contract Sep 30 12:37:39 [df]: http://rcptones.com/?dl=1 sounds nice but can't be distributed commercially Sep 30 12:37:53 xMDKx ;-) Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07libframeworkd-glib * rdae7be57cae6 10/src/ogsmd/ (7 files): Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: Applied patches from quickdev : Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: - fixed marshalling Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: - Added dbus error Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: - fix incomingmessage signal Sep 30 12:38:21 freesmartphone.org: Thanks quickdev ! Sep 30 12:38:31 juc1: ? Sep 30 12:38:52 <[df]> sounds like it would be fairly easy to compose something like that Sep 30 12:39:20 lindi-: Yes? Sep 30 12:39:22 * SpeedEvil suggests 'not pointing people to websites where a two word answer would have worked' as part of the contrac.t Sep 30 12:39:29 juc1: what xMDKx? Sep 30 12:39:56 i'm MDK Sep 30 12:39:57 :) Sep 30 12:40:05 ah Sep 30 12:40:15 i thought that was some ringtone i was supposed to find ;) Sep 30 12:40:35 SpeedEvil: maybe Sep 30 12:40:36 hehehe Sep 30 12:47:47 [df]: creating it with software synth is probably easy if you have used one before :) Sep 30 12:48:46 <[df]> I could have a play around tonight - at work now Sep 30 14:06:33 hi Sep 30 14:15:37 what is Debian image on openmoko Sep 30 14:15:46 i know about ASU Sep 30 14:17:29 wassa iceman Sep 30 14:19:36 jitu3485: debian image? Sep 30 14:20:17 i mean debian arm package on freerunner Sep 30 14:21:01 <[df]> I don't believe there's an image you can flash, but you can install it to SD from another distro Sep 30 14:21:32 <[df]> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Sep 30 14:21:38 very weird the noise that my speakers make as the freerunner is drasticly reduced when i pick the device up off the table while holding the same proximity to the speakers Sep 30 14:22:38 could it be that the accelerometers are some how tied to this problemm in that they are idle? Sep 30 14:23:04 nope Sep 30 14:24:00 could probably be something to do with the fact that the table reflects the sound of the speakers Sep 30 14:24:10 tea Sep 30 14:24:15 yea Sep 30 14:25:28 seems to continually pole the phone company Sep 30 14:25:48 does anyone know if its possible to install an open mobile linux OS on the Nokia N810? Sep 30 14:25:59 may be something different though Sep 30 14:26:24 i guess google told u nothing? Sep 30 14:26:30 slaxxin: oh, I think I misunderstood your question, ignore my previous comment Sep 30 14:26:51 well no Sep 30 14:27:47 its the sound that my pc speakers make when the freerunner is laying close to my speakers Sep 30 14:28:26 slaxxin: I thought you meant the sound from the freerunner speakers, not the interference the freerunner causes in other speakers Sep 30 14:29:46 whats really weird is if i hold the freerunner up ,,,when the sounds starts it is audible but if it is laying down an it starts making the noise an i pick it up the sounds almost goes away Sep 30 14:31:00 its different every time Sep 30 14:31:22 has to be eating my battery though Sep 30 14:32:13 ok ic Sep 30 14:32:53 if i turn the freerunner 90 degrees the sound cant be heard Sep 30 14:50:40 w00t! openpandora here i come! Sep 30 15:19:49 somone here from zurich who's going to the om-community meeting this friday in bern? Sep 30 15:52:25 Anyone want Openmoko images for the HTC Magician? xD (besides me) Sep 30 15:52:48 show us Sep 30 15:53:28 http://mnemonic.kilu.de/images/magician/ Sep 30 15:54:36 (Last one, the fso .tar version, is still uploading, rest is done.) Sep 30 16:21:06 It's quiet... too quiet... Sep 30 16:21:46 Dave: calm before storm, Qtopia^H^H Qt-extended 4.4 released Sep 30 16:22:19 eh? Sep 30 16:22:36 http://trolltech.com/about/news/qt-extended-4.4-released Sep 30 16:22:41 wtf? Sep 30 16:22:50 Is there any difference between Qtopia and qt-extended? Sep 30 16:22:58 MnemonicPunk: new name Sep 30 16:23:12 MnemonicPunk: aand new feature-update release Sep 30 16:23:14 Or is it just "last release was epic fail, let marketing come up with a new name"? Sep 30 16:23:21 nah Sep 30 16:23:21 :D Sep 30 16:23:27 Sounds about right Sep 30 16:23:31 prolly the Nokia-transition Sep 30 16:23:53 "...renamed and launched as Qt Extended 4.4." Sep 30 16:24:44 haw Sep 30 16:27:53 configuration for WEP encryption.. Sep 30 16:28:39 anybody know how to connect WEP enabled wireles AP? Sep 30 16:30:05 soundar1, iwconfig? Sep 30 16:31:01 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rbc9567781f3d 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/display/Makefile.am: Fix makefile Sep 30 16:39:37 Dave, that was TOP SECRET! The non secret solutions are in the wiki. Sep 30 16:39:37 ;] Sep 30 16:41:20 :P Sep 30 16:42:22 Does the FR charge while it is suspended? Sep 30 16:43:30 retracile: Doesn't it wake if you plug it in? Sep 30 16:43:56 retracile: yes, you can set it charging then put it to sleep Sep 30 16:44:03 Yes, it charges while suspended, but I don't think that it charges at the full rate IIRC. Sep 30 16:44:07 I only have a gta01, but if it's really suspended correctly, I think it always wakes (& stays awake) when plugged in Sep 30 16:44:24 Yes, it wakes on insertion of the usb Sep 30 16:44:28 wurp2|working: didn't seem to... Sep 30 16:44:30 Of course, that may just be the images I'm using Sep 30 16:44:37 * retracile is using debian Sep 30 16:44:44 If you plugged it in and it didn't wake, you may... oh, nm :-) Sep 30 16:44:55 * mwester wonders why people don't say when they use a non-standard distro... Sep 30 16:44:56 :D Sep 30 16:44:57 I have no idea how apm is set up for debian Sep 30 16:45:13 mwester: what's the standard distro? Sep 30 16:45:16 :) Sep 30 16:45:29 If you want standard and broken, it's 2008.9 Sep 30 16:45:37 If you want standard and working, it's Qtopia Sep 30 16:45:42 Or FSO Sep 30 16:45:43 haw Sep 30 16:45:45 :) Sep 30 16:45:48 FSO original recipe Sep 30 16:45:54 mmm... it's the best! ;) Sep 30 16:46:14 I understood the FSO software was what was on debian... Sep 30 16:46:50 sense you make not Sep 30 16:46:51 Ok, so I should be more clear in that I refer to the FSO image, not just the FSO components :) Sep 30 16:47:07 heh. Sep 30 16:47:08 bah Sep 30 16:47:49 At one time, if the battery was dead, you had to jump-start it. I thought that was fixed 1.5 months ago... or is there still an issue with that? Sep 30 16:48:01 Yes. Sep 30 16:48:04 (And I understood it was a bootloader change, not in the distro) Sep 30 16:48:09 Yes. Sep 30 16:48:12 But also kernel Sep 30 16:48:34 But all that work only made it "mostly" better; there are still cases where you need to jump-start it. Sep 30 16:48:53 heh Sep 30 16:48:57 Bother. Ok, what are those cases? (there a wiki page?) Sep 30 16:48:57 Get the jumper cables! Sep 30 16:49:03 And it's still easy to get into that case, because nobody seems to interested in writing the code to handle "battery low" to avoid this. Sep 30 16:49:09 * Dave takes a freerunner out to his car Sep 30 16:49:11 * mwester looks at himself, too Sep 30 16:49:20 heh. understood. Sep 30 16:49:27 Mwester, and it seems so simple, too! Sep 30 16:49:28 Dave: somebody tried that; 12V does not help. Sep 30 16:49:34 What the fuck is wrong with people :D Sep 30 16:49:41 Mwester, IT NEEDS MORE VOLTS! Sep 30 16:49:50 2GHz here I come! :D Sep 30 16:50:03 "But Cap'n she's gonna blow!" Sep 30 16:50:03 (for probably a fraction of a second...) Sep 30 16:50:08 ;p Sep 30 16:50:12 or melt, in this case. Sep 30 16:50:16 and catch on fire Sep 30 16:50:36 Dave: be sure to dunk it in motor oil first. ;) Sep 30 16:50:36 "110% on the reactor is possible, but not recommended, Captain" Sep 30 16:50:44 :D Sep 30 16:50:48 * Dave high-fives mwester Sep 30 16:50:53 when the space shuttle takes off, it throttles up to 106% thrust Sep 30 16:51:06 Sweet Sep 30 16:51:11 That's like "11" on the volume dial, though. Sep 30 16:51:15 Do they go forward in time? Sep 30 16:51:36 Needs more flux capacitors. Sep 30 16:52:53 my bad, 104.5% apparently Sep 30 16:53:08 ooh la la Sep 30 17:44:25 Mwester Sep 30 17:45:53 Mwester, something else odd I noticed, after having the phone on for two days or more, it becomes permanently deregistered sometimes, and nothing you do will reregister it (if you check the modem status, it shows the network info), but if you attempt to contact the device via gsm, it fails. Sep 30 17:48:11 Is this where I can discuss a problem opkg with OE ? Sep 30 17:48:33 or #oe ? Sep 30 17:49:30 dfoley: ttf-liberation_0.2. ? Sep 30 17:50:05 toggles_w: no, glibc detected *** opkg-cl: free(): invalid next size (normal):.... Sep 30 17:50:23 dfoley: sorry.. Sep 30 17:50:56 :P Sep 30 17:51:10 toggles_w: happens in svn:4640 and svn:4684 Sep 30 17:51:35 dfoley: i got past that, issue is with ttf Sep 30 17:51:39 atleast for me Sep 30 17:52:30 pretty sure this is a new bug. only seems to happen when I try to put a package with -dev in an image Sep 30 17:53:58 I could send a patch to reproduce in for the latest openembedded.org.dev Sep 30 18:04:01 ls Sep 30 18:04:26 toggles_w: als! Sep 30 18:28:06 Mwester - ZOMG Sep 30 18:28:20 It stops reading from the SIM altogether, periodically! Sep 30 18:28:22 :o Sep 30 18:28:32 What image? Sep 30 18:28:45 2007 :p Sep 30 18:29:08 Oh. yeah, gsmd on 2007 has never been completely stable. Sep 30 18:29:23 I noticed this because, the sms are apparently stored on the SIM Sep 30 18:29:41 and when I was changing Sms read directories and it "deregistered" it held up Sep 30 18:29:57 hung for five seconds or so, then they displayed, and this was in addition to the usual lag. Sep 30 18:30:10 maybe this was one of the reasons for such a large push for ogsmd :p Sep 30 18:30:21 and od Sep 30 18:30:23 :p Sep 30 18:30:39 Dave: are you sure the sms are stored on sim for 2007.2? cause i cant seem to find them there...? Sep 30 18:30:47 in the SIM? Sep 30 18:30:57 dude they're definitely NOT on the phone Sep 30 18:31:02 at least on mine Sep 30 18:31:24 I know because I got so fucking tired of looking I just ran an exhaustive find, parsing every goddamn file on the phone looking for one of my messages. Sep 30 18:31:38 It's terrible though because if you gsm -l or whatever, it still segfaults :P Sep 30 18:31:46 What an awesome program, phone, thing. Sep 30 18:34:24 * mwester__ is now enjoying the benefit of paying ISPs for internet connections each month. Sep 30 18:34:33 :) Sep 30 18:34:37 er, paying two ISPs Sep 30 18:34:39 I mean. Sep 30 18:35:01 Of course, the backup connection is only half the speed... Sep 30 18:35:17 assrape? Sep 30 18:35:57 I figure I chose where to live, I shouldn't complain about poor cell phone coverage or poor internet access. Sep 30 18:36:15 :p Sep 30 18:36:16 true Sep 30 18:42:40 Gaah! And now I see something else that reviewers of this firewall complained of; it doesn't switch back to the primary WAN connection when it comes back. So I'm stuck on the backup link until I physically get to the LAN. Sep 30 18:45:41 Hi, I have Om2008.9 installed, totally updated. Now I just want to compile simple C programs for my Neo. So I dowlnoaded the toolchain, but then noticed that compiling inst possible with it. Even glibc isnt installled to it Sep 30 18:45:56 nor libstdc++ Sep 30 18:46:05 so I tried opkg install g++ on my neo Sep 30 18:46:15 but it doesnt seem to install anything Sep 30 18:46:34 opkg install gcc doesnt make gcc available either Sep 30 18:47:13 Do I need to isntall glibc to the toolchain to compile the most simple programs? I mean compiling glibc Is quite a hard job Sep 30 18:49:06 baba_melone: yes.. glibc is quite essential Sep 30 18:49:20 depends on how simple your programs are :-) Sep 30 18:49:41 very simple Sep 30 18:49:44 read a file Sep 30 18:49:47 ^^ Sep 30 18:49:57 but I have to do it manually Sep 30 18:50:04 then you will need glibc Sep 30 18:50:10 why doesnt the binary toolchain contain glibc Sep 30 18:50:17 baba_melone: You could, but your programs won't be usable for anything. And they might not compile, unless you are building a kernel or something Sep 30 18:50:28 without you dont hav system calls or any other library stuff Sep 30 18:50:39 baba_melone: And have implemented the memcpy and mem* functions Sep 30 18:50:45 yeah i know Sep 30 18:51:15