**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 16 02:59:58 2008 Oct 16 03:01:32 Oct 16 03:02:22 raster: its also slow Oct 16 03:02:33 framebuffer console on a *desktop* slows boot Oct 16 03:07:20 I like seeing the boot scroll, because it presents information. If it hangs at some point, there's a possibility you'll learn something. A pair of boots gives you no information. Oct 16 03:07:22 but.. you only boot a phone _once_ theorically Oct 16 03:07:32 ideally Oct 16 03:07:40 Once per WiFI connection... Oct 16 03:07:43 that'll be the day Oct 16 03:07:53 KenYoung: indeed Oct 16 03:10:12 One of the things that has always puzzled me about Palm is that they show you there logo when a Treo reboots. Is that really what you want - for your logo to be associated with the phone crashing and you having to reboot? Oct 16 03:10:32 never had a treo crash, wouldn't know Oct 16 03:10:36 heh Oct 16 03:11:38 I doubt it happens very often, plus marketing's "brand everything" overrides other thoughts Oct 16 03:11:56 Staticwave_Ace: no - it doesnt slow boot.. if u dont spew out lots of kernel messages Oct 16 03:11:57 :) Oct 16 03:12:01 Staticwave_Ace, My Treo needs a *lot* of reboots. Oct 16 03:12:42 raster: agreed, minimal output is good, after you work out the kernel bugs Oct 16 03:12:44 Even Microsoft doesn't pop up their logo on the Blue Screen of Death. Oct 16 03:12:56 plus, the debug board allows you to log the boot messages via serial no? Oct 16 03:14:19 correct Oct 16 03:14:25 so if u are fucking with your os Oct 16 03:14:33 to the point where it wont come up with at least usbnet Oct 16 03:14:42 u probably should have bought a debug board Oct 16 03:14:46 and u get serial console then Oct 16 03:14:50 indeed Oct 16 03:15:00 and unlike a text console ont he screbne Oct 16 03:15:02 u can DO somethnig Oct 16 03:15:04 like log in Oct 16 03:15:06 or type stuff Oct 16 03:15:09 and interact Oct 16 03:15:10 heh, also true Oct 16 03:15:28 so if u are so concerned about "ooh my kernel may not boot and i need the console output" Oct 16 03:15:32 buy a dbug board Oct 16 03:15:33 :) Oct 16 03:15:42 or dont screw with stuff to that point Oct 16 03:15:49 :) Oct 16 03:32:00 well.. make it so... Oct 16 03:34:07 wonder what the latest zhone is looking like? Oct 16 03:49:34 http://www.rigacci.org/wiki/doku.php/doc/appunti/hardware/eeepc_navit Oct 16 03:55:21 openmoko: 03werner * r4716 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (6 files): Oct 16 03:55:21 openmoko: - ... rebasing finishes Oct 16 03:55:21 openmoko: - hif-can-do-async.patch: only enable async if we're using direct interrupts Oct 16 04:08:54 Mooooooooooooooooooooooove out Oct 16 04:09:20 counterstrike anyone:) Oct 16 04:18:46 BOOOOM ... HEADSHOT Oct 16 05:04:28 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf44673e70b8d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Oct 16 05:04:28 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Initial import Oct 16 05:04:28 freesmartphone.org: Copied all the files from Soeren gsoc project Oct 16 05:04:29 freesmartphone.org: Also eplaced all the tabs by spaces to follow the style used by other subsystems. Oct 16 05:04:31 freesmartphone.org: The opimd subsystem is *not* working now, so we sohuld disable it in framework.conf file. Oct 16 06:55:56 hummm did the OE git URI changed ? "git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git" doesn't work but "git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded Oct 16 06:55:59 does Oct 16 07:17:32 hi Oct 16 07:18:41 boo Oct 16 07:20:48 moo Oct 16 07:21:00 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r6b36f1648db1 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Oct 16 07:21:00 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Fix transition bugs Oct 16 07:21:00 freesmartphone.org: This patch makes the pimd subsystem not crash on startup. Oct 16 07:21:00 freesmartphone.org: It disables automatic loading of the contacts on startup, because this should be done on user request. Oct 16 07:53:41 is there going to be a hardware upgrade to the freeruner phone, and how soon it can happen ? Oct 16 07:55:35 raster: yesterday i tried the oe-install script on e svn but git uri seems to have changed. any idea ? Oct 16 07:55:53 no idea Oct 16 07:55:57 worked for me the lasrt time i tried Oct 16 07:56:00 which was 2 days ago or so Oct 16 07:56:45 ok, now i think it's git://git.openembedded.net/openembedded instead of git://git.openembedded.net/org.openembedded.dev.git Oct 16 07:57:06 i couldn't clone the second uri Oct 16 07:57:48 made a note Oct 16 07:57:57 looks like they must have changed in the last day or so Oct 16 07:58:07 yep Oct 16 08:01:15 doing a "make qemu" starts downloading the whole repo? how do I just instal a particular distro? Oct 16 08:04:53 s_p: I seen projects on the wiki but can't manage to retrieve Oct 16 08:06:39 transylvania, i heard that freerunner had some hardware issues, i just hopped that there will be an upgraded version soon Oct 16 08:07:27 s_p: search for GTA03 on the wiki Oct 16 08:07:50 and i dont imagine gta03 will be "soon" Oct 16 08:07:54 gromez, thank you Oct 16 08:09:14 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r5e0ebf610d6c 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (4 files): Oct 16 08:09:14 freesmartphone.org: opimd: Added Source.InitAllEntries DBus method Oct 16 08:09:14 freesmartphone.org: This method has to be called by the client before trying to access the contacts. Oct 16 08:09:14 freesmartphone.org: I think we could implement it as a service ('PIM'). Oct 16 08:09:56 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r1d4d419b98a8 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: Add support for pim service Oct 16 08:50:00 hi Oct 16 08:50:20 what is the channel for debian on freerunner? Oct 16 08:51:27 admiral0: #openmoko-debian Oct 16 08:53:21 thank you Oct 16 09:44:14 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r379114ef3405 10/tests/ (opimd.py test.py): tests: Add opimd test suites Oct 16 09:54:36 Hehe. Oct 16 09:54:53 O2 terms and conditions for 'SIM only' tarriff. Oct 16 09:54:55 'You may not use your SIM Card: Oct 16 09:54:59 * in, or connected to, any other device' Oct 16 09:55:10 doh Oct 16 09:55:29 :vsplit Oct 16 09:56:14 O2 are a bunch of bleeps.....i got a PAYG sim and added 7.50 for unlimited internet which turned out to be their walled gardened internet Oct 16 09:57:21 effectively after spending 20 pounds i could access the O2 website from my phone....joy! Oct 16 09:57:55 sure you used the right APN? Oct 16 09:58:03 I'm looking for a SIM for 900MHz. Oct 16 09:58:06 they have different APN in uk for WAP and Internet Oct 16 09:58:17 So it's O2 or voda for me for this app. Oct 16 09:58:17 XorA yeh i even mailed support to confirm this Oct 16 09:58:35 unlimited internet works fine on contract sims Oct 16 09:58:38 u have to have the contract sim to get full internet for 7.50 Oct 16 09:58:44 WTF Oct 16 09:58:50 T-mobile (uk) ftw Oct 16 09:58:54 why pay 7.50 for nothing............................... Oct 16 09:59:14 normal PAYG SIM - 0.7p/k - but capped at 1 pound a day. Oct 16 09:59:23 xora yeh that is what i said and i lost the will to live at that point when they said it would allow me to access a certain amount of sites Oct 16 09:59:35 basically they did me out of 20 quid Oct 16 09:59:45 And you can buy a 5 day pass which will give you 5 days for 2.50 Oct 16 10:00:06 hm, my gta01 seems to hate my virgin mobile sim for some reason. I wonder what's up with that. Oct 16 10:00:28 pb_: have you broken the seal? Oct 16 10:00:34 ah no, there we go, just took ages to register Oct 16 10:00:43 pb_: they come with a film over the contacts :) Oct 16 10:00:52 SpeedEvil: heh :-) Oct 16 10:00:57 yah, I figured that out Oct 16 10:00:57 but yeh the 1 pound a day on PAYG deals is ok i guess Oct 16 10:01:09 zedstar: Oct 16 10:01:29 zedstar: I can't find a better deal - unless you use it >25 days/mo or so. Oct 16 10:01:47 speedevil yeh me too that is why i though this O2 deal was too good to be true and it was Oct 16 10:02:05 if i could add unlimited for 7.50 to a PAYG i would Oct 16 10:02:29 yeah Oct 16 10:02:38 im stuffed tho as i really wanna listen to internet radio Oct 16 10:02:43 But 15 quid/mo for unlimited internet isn't bad. Oct 16 10:02:50 i dont think anything caters for the amounts i would download Oct 16 10:02:54 (with t-mobile 5 day packs) Oct 16 10:03:01 GPRS only. Oct 16 10:04:36 zedstar: O2 is unlimited with a limit of 200M though Oct 16 10:04:50 zedstar: at least t-mobile is a 2G limit Oct 16 10:05:00 "unlimited with a limit", sounds great ;) Oct 16 10:05:17 viq: we have a very strange advertising watchdog Oct 16 10:06:06 200M is taking the mick a bit Oct 16 10:08:04 some quick maths and i think i would do that 2G limit listening to internet radio at 128kbps for an hour 5 times a week Oct 16 10:08:50 Not really an issue with curent OM products. Oct 16 10:09:13 yeh sure i meant for my *other* phone :) Oct 16 10:12:11 until i can do something basic like listen to internet radio on my daily commute i aint gonna pay for a contract Oct 16 10:15:35 speedevil from i understand when u go over your limit on your 1 pound cap u start getting charged at a kilobyte rate Oct 16 10:15:55 zedstar: not on t-mobile - it's unlimited Oct 16 10:16:17 speedevil but i thought t-mobile has 2g limit? Oct 16 10:16:38 there is a 'fair use' limit at I think 3G/mo Oct 16 10:16:53 speedevil what happens when u top that? Oct 16 10:17:04 They may cut you off. Oct 16 10:18:22 speedevil vodafone has a restrictive download limit on their 1 pound payg offer...will have to read the small print of t-mobile i have a sim from them Oct 16 10:25:37 openmoko: 03marek * r4717 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Oct 16 10:25:37 openmoko: [pye17] manually enhance ecore_evas in order to hide functions and pythonize the module Oct 16 10:25:37 openmoko: add example folder and "examples" make target Oct 16 10:28:26 openmoko: 03marek * r4718 10/trunk/src/host/pye17/examples/ecore_evas/ (. simple_window.py): Oct 16 10:28:26 openmoko: [pye17] first little sample ecore_evas script added (shows a plain ecore window) Oct 16 10:28:26 openmoko: run "make examples" before trying to start the script Oct 16 10:28:26 openmoko: known issues: Oct 16 10:28:26 openmoko: - python segfaults on exit [bug is related to software_x11_new()] Oct 16 10:30:10 Hmm - there seems to be an issue with pre-formatted text in the wiki... whenever I edit the preformatting space is lost Oct 16 10:31:55 gromgull: Poke roh about it maybe Oct 16 10:37:00 gpsd question: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/65375.html Oct 16 10:37:02 roh? Oct 16 10:39:05 hi folks! Oct 16 10:39:20 raster: OE switched from mtn to git 2 days ago, that's why the URI changed. Oct 16 10:39:22 anyone know of a more generic embedded linux channel on freenode? Oct 16 10:39:56 speakman: #oe perhaps? Oct 16 10:39:56 gromgull: That's his nick here, he fixes stuff like that iirc :) Oct 16 10:40:16 yes I understood - i just thought I'd say his nick to get his attention Oct 16 10:40:41 Ah, sorry Oct 16 10:40:46 n.p. Oct 16 10:40:57 * CM_work has a half-working brain after a too big lunch Oct 16 10:41:16 Tm_T: i'll take o look, thanks Oct 16 10:42:00 maybe someone inhere know how to make mkcramfs ignore directory contents? Oct 16 10:50:34 anyone knows if there will be any problemes switching from cramfs to squashfs? Oct 16 10:51:01 or is the new (what-ever-its-name-was) filesystem stable in the kernel? Oct 16 11:34:25 Kensan: yeah.. now i have to switch Oct 16 11:34:26 hooray Oct 16 11:35:23 raster: there's even a http mirror for those behind a firewall etc. Oct 16 11:40:03 Kensan: aaah cool Oct 16 11:43:45 raster: but git should be prefered since it's way more efficient. Oct 16 11:43:57 raster: btw saw the article on linuxdevices ;) good stuff. Oct 16 11:45:30 :) Oct 16 11:47:34 raster: shame they buggered up the link to your site at the end of the article :P Oct 16 11:47:52 doesn't matter Oct 16 11:48:04 i'll live Oct 16 11:48:04 :) Oct 16 11:49:02 hi Oct 16 11:52:16 Tig|: he's got enough fanboys following his trail already *heh* Oct 16 11:52:29 heh Oct 16 11:53:49 speaking of which: how's your gang doing? Did you figure out where you put your Ipaq? Oct 16 11:53:59 * hipitihop waves good evening to the residents Oct 16 11:55:03 * Tig| waves good afternoon to hipitihop Oct 16 11:55:04 Kensan: nup. didnt look. i assume its in landfill somewhere now Oct 16 11:55:36 hipitihop: i'd use the word "denizens" myself Oct 16 11:55:51 or inmates Oct 16 11:57:37 raster: If I remember correctly I have one lying around myself with some version of Opie on it?!? Oct 16 11:58:26 I wish I could somehow mod the thumbpad off my Collie Zaurus onto my Freerunner Oct 16 12:00:05 * hipitihop acknowledges being corrected as to the better suited genealogy of the inhabitants Oct 16 12:03:09 raster: they just posted some pcb pics of the pandora. Seems like production is getting along nicely. Oct 16 12:09:23 * Kensan is looking at rasters desk-01/2.jpg Oct 16 12:10:13 raster: now I understand why you need all that screen space *haha* Oct 16 12:10:48 Kensan: hahahah Oct 16 12:11:07 i tend to have a lot of code up... Oct 16 12:11:23 raster: is that emacs? Oct 16 12:11:49 no Oct 16 12:11:50 jed Oct 16 12:12:13 and my homies.. the gang.. hangin' out next to me Oct 16 12:12:32 raster: haha, the psp feels a bit left out ;) Oct 16 12:12:57 yeah Oct 16 12:13:01 he hasn't been hacked Oct 16 12:13:09 likely never will be Oct 16 12:13:16 he's for games Oct 16 12:13:25 he's my "playa!" Oct 16 12:13:47 ma playa don't hang with ma homes Oct 16 12:14:07 big momma keeps 'em apart Oct 16 12:14:29 raster: haha Oct 16 12:14:50 I always though raster was a man. :p Oct 16 12:15:06 do no big momma is the desktop Oct 16 12:15:22 dolf1074: he's the Dawg livin in da Crib with his hommies Oct 16 12:15:23 and you are? Oct 16 12:15:27 she does the heavy lifting Oct 16 12:15:31 he Oct 16 12:15:37 dolf1074: didn't you see MTV Cribs last friday? Oct 16 12:15:38 ah I see :p Oct 16 12:15:43 i'm the crotchety old man on the porch Oct 16 12:15:55 shistling at the girls going by in short skirts Oct 16 12:16:14 and muttering "if only i was a few years younger,,,: Oct 16 12:16:16 no short skirts here anymore. Oct 16 12:16:17 :) Oct 16 12:16:18 its fall. Oct 16 12:16:23 and it rains Oct 16 12:16:28 fog everyday in the morning Oct 16 12:16:42 raster: how many seconds did you say you'd managed to boot linux in? Oct 16 12:16:44 raster: there was a discussion in here yesterday about how great the lpc 5 sec boot was, and i remembered you saying you'd beat that sometime in the past...? Oct 16 12:17:20 sicu: 1.6 Oct 16 12:17:48 nice, and how are you doing that? Oct 16 12:20:44 do trimmed down kernel Oct 16 12:20:45 initrd Oct 16 12:20:49 custom init process Oct 16 12:20:54 init brings up x instantly Oct 16 12:21:00 x modified and trimmed Oct 16 12:21:05 drivers for x trimmed Oct 16 12:21:15 ide drivers for linux timmed Oct 16 12:21:21 but is it still fully functional? Oct 16 12:21:33 removing lots of probing and turning probe results into binary blobs loaded by bootloader Oct 16 12:21:44 well it was a boot from an initrd Oct 16 12:21:47 into x Oct 16 12:22:03 didnt run much but x + a opengl demo app Oct 16 12:22:09 but thats all that was needed Oct 16 12:22:33 dolf1074: define "fully functional" ;) Oct 16 12:22:43 raster: nice =] Oct 16 12:22:51 mouse/keyboard input worked Oct 16 12:22:53 xc worked Oct 16 12:22:55 3d worked Oct 16 12:22:57 audio worked Oct 16 12:22:59 filesystem worked Oct 16 12:23:03 processes runing Oct 16 12:23:07 i'd cal lthat fully functional Oct 16 12:23:25 mind u Oct 16 12:23:27 and could you launch firefox or some other browser? Oct 16 12:23:29 thats pretty extreme :) Oct 16 12:23:37 do didnt have a network up Oct 16 12:23:41 but no reas on why not Oct 16 12:23:44 its just an x app Oct 16 12:23:48 if x is up Oct 16 12:23:49 it will work Oct 16 12:23:53 ok Oct 16 12:23:55 (and u have a filesystem) Oct 16 12:24:01 you got gsm? Oct 16 12:24:03 than it's functional for me ;) Oct 16 12:24:09 firefox would take longer to start than the system would to boot Oct 16 12:24:32 heaven on earth :p Oct 16 12:24:40 firefox is a beast to start up Oct 16 12:25:24 freesmartphone.org: 03rod 07fso-makefile * r9fc3080d6fa6 10/Makefile: Moved to new OE git repository location Oct 16 12:51:19 hi, i'm try to set an env variable on boot but i can't with minicom or cu. I lost ofter chars, how can i resolve it? Oct 16 12:51:27 what are correct params for minicom Oct 16 12:51:29 ? Oct 16 12:51:32 thanks in advance Oct 16 12:53:28 geaaru, I suggest you to use screen. Oct 16 12:54:28 no i'm from gnome-terminal through usb connection and both with minicom and cu i can't set correctly env variable because Oct 16 12:54:38 often i lost some char Oct 16 12:55:00 geaaru: there is a special console tool for the neo that insert a 50ms delay between char Oct 16 12:55:27 ah ok, what is it name, please? Oct 16 12:58:09 geaaru: I don't remember yet Oct 16 12:58:52 transylvania: ok, i will try to found it on wiki or google, thanks. Oct 16 13:00:17 is it possible to use any 2.5mm hands-free with the freerunner? Oct 16 13:00:26 anyone notice that usb networking works out the box on Leopard? Oct 16 13:00:56 usbnetworking just came up as a secondary ethernet :) Oct 16 13:01:05 which you can set a static to Oct 16 13:03:02 SUNWjoejaxx: what's your point ? Oct 16 13:03:12 it's the same on any linux ... Oct 16 13:03:31 you plug and set an ip ... Oct 16 13:03:38 mac os x is not linux Oct 16 13:04:07 what about hands-free for the freerunner. is it possible to use any with a 2.5mm-plug? Oct 16 13:04:14 why using this closed source os ? Oct 16 13:04:51 avtobiff: there are some postings on the mailing lists about people's experiences with them Oct 16 13:05:07 avtobiff: all of them to do not work Oct 16 13:05:23 transylvania: could be neocon name of the application that insert aa 50ms delay between char on bootload shell? Oct 16 13:05:41 SUNWjoejaxx, where do i find these mailing lists? Oct 16 13:05:53 geaaru: can, but not sure Oct 16 13:05:59 k thanks ;) Oct 16 13:06:01 avtobiff: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ Oct 16 13:06:26 yes it is ! Oct 16 13:07:24 transylvania: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X#Apple_CDC_Ethernet_driver_10.5.x Oct 16 13:07:27 that is my point Oct 16 13:07:35 it works now Oct 16 13:07:57 SUNWjoejaxx, thanks. Oct 16 13:08:04 avtobiff: you are most welcome Oct 16 13:11:42 aaaaaaaargh. flashing a .tar.bz2 to the rootfs partition does not yield the expected results. Oct 16 13:12:03 :P Oct 16 13:13:23 Wonka: use the jffs2 images Oct 16 13:33:31 SUNWjoejaxx: guess what i started seconds before my comment about .tar.bz2 files? Oct 16 14:17:36 Oh, nice, the NYT put Android in its place. Oct 16 14:17:50 Dave: that's nice ? Oct 16 14:18:12 of course they did. it has the iphone and other andriods soon to be released to compete against. Oct 16 14:18:22 you forget to quickly that this is the *first* andriod Oct 16 14:36:40 grrrrrrmf. Oct 16 14:38:31 says on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/Status_Update_4 i could expect GPS from FSO-MS3 Oct 16 14:40:42 but nothing happens. not even in zhone. Oct 16 14:41:07 Wonka: How so? Oct 16 14:41:14 Should work Oct 16 14:41:26 Wonka: Try something more recent than MS3 Oct 16 14:41:34 lots of improvements have gone in Oct 16 14:41:52 also on AGPS speedup Oct 16 14:42:31 atm i am looking for something that "just works" with tangogps Oct 16 14:42:39 can you suggest something? Oct 16 14:43:02 some actual image (with matching kernel)? Oct 16 14:43:24 what about fso-testing? Oct 16 14:46:11 Wonka: recent FSO images would fit that description Oct 16 14:46:59 Wonka: I think they should work Oct 16 14:47:38 'k Oct 16 14:51:49 Wonka: You're using gta01 or gta02? Oct 16 14:52:02 gta02 Oct 16 14:52:05 okay Oct 16 14:52:20 am doing an "opkg upgrade" to fso-testing atm Oct 16 14:52:22 for gta01 you will want the gllin_v1.1 as well Oct 16 14:53:47 fso-gpsd for tangogps... Oct 16 14:54:24 yes Oct 16 14:54:34 should be there already Oct 16 14:54:40 Wonka: launch GPS app from zhone, get a fix and then launch tangogps Oct 16 14:54:47 seems not to be in MS3 Oct 16 14:54:55 gromez: failed at "get a fix" Oct 16 14:55:08 Wonka: Right, fso-gpsd was after that Oct 16 14:55:18 gromez: strace-ing frameworkd shows _no_ activity at all on /dev/ttySAC1 Oct 16 14:55:25 humm strange, i got it working Oct 16 14:55:43 am still upgrading, will reboot afterwards and retry Oct 16 14:56:05 i'm using fso testing + unstable feeds Oct 16 14:56:06 Wonka: As long as you're using tangogps (and not tangogps-fso) you need fso-gpsd Oct 16 14:57:16 of course... Oct 16 14:57:29 i have used 2008.4 up to now Oct 16 14:57:37 and just wanted to try something newer Oct 16 14:57:48 so that i have a chance to contribute something at all :) Oct 16 14:58:10 any idea of how to kick the debian-armel people into packaging e17 and illume? Oct 16 14:58:26 no, not really Oct 16 14:58:41 * alphaone has very little to do with debian Oct 16 15:00:24 i like debian and have it installed on my 8GB microSDHC... Oct 16 15:00:55 but neither matchbox nor xfce are exactly usable there Oct 16 15:01:05 i want illume and e17... Oct 16 15:01:54 if u have some microscope glasses it works fine Oct 16 15:02:23 not really. no usable app starter, no usable scrolling, ... Oct 16 15:02:23 with XFCE Oct 16 15:02:42 it is usable in the sense of "you can get the job done". Oct 16 15:02:48 Wonka: Doesn't the fso-pkg team package e and illume? Oct 16 15:03:13 alphaone: haven't found those yet Oct 16 15:12:15 Hi all, Does anyone know how to access the touchscreen driver? I needed raw data from the driver to see how it behaves when I do a multi-touch Oct 16 15:19:03 shanka: use tslib Oct 16 15:19:25 shanka: or read kernel source/documentation and read directly /dev/input/event* Oct 16 15:19:36 shanka: or use evtest and parse output with perl Oct 16 15:20:35 lindi-: yeah thanks.. trying with direct read.. Oct 16 15:40:49 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/nokia-cfo-cash-starved-distributors-im/story.aspx?guid={24FD9F1B-8265-4C42-8E93-DC032BC3810B}&dist=hpts Oct 16 15:54:44 roh, are you about? Oct 16 16:03:01 hmm - why doesn't openmoko-panel-plugin let me turn off wifi? Oct 16 16:36:58 *grr* Oct 16 16:37:21 there seems to be some bug in that FSO "Home" thingie. Oct 16 16:37:36 it does not display icons for assassin or tangogps Oct 16 16:37:57 correction, it does not display anything for assassin or tangogps Oct 16 16:38:29 it does display Calculator and Tichy, with an empty icon Oct 16 16:42:08 Wonka: That's because illume (which is the launcher) only displays apps with the correct Category Oct 16 16:42:18 "correct" Oct 16 16:49:42 define "correct" Oct 16 16:50:20 zhone has »Categories=Office;« Oct 16 16:52:57 hm. some other apps had double "Categories" entries too... Oct 16 16:53:07 added that one to tangogps, now it's there Oct 16 16:53:19 should be corrected somewhere. Oct 16 17:19:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * ra63379b41241 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: improve pretty printer to cover more cases Oct 16 17:24:17 whoa, I just saw the quickstart & the image of what comes with the freerunner -- is the stylus really larger (longer?) than the phone? Oct 16 17:25:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra816e0412c68 10/tools/cli-framework: tools: cli-framework: improve prettyprinter to cover more cases Oct 16 17:25:54 yes Oct 16 17:26:17 SpeedEvil: is it necessary, or can you use the touchscreen with fingers? Oct 16 17:26:24 fingers work Oct 16 17:26:40 SpeedEvil: in a practical sense, too? ;) Oct 16 17:26:43 As does any pointy non-scratchy object Oct 16 17:26:57 fingers aren't so great for some thinks - keyboards Oct 16 17:27:12 Dave: you there? Oct 16 17:28:00 ah, cool (re-any non-scratchy thing) Oct 16 17:28:29 is there any way I can run qtopia locally in an emulator or nested X server? Oct 16 17:30:24 hehe, it's a great weapon =] Oct 16 17:30:27 so, take the entire back of the phone off.. eplace it with a cover whose inside is a pelitier cooler and outside is glass Oct 16 17:30:38 in between there is a vacoule Oct 16 17:31:08 seperate the vacoule with a fuel cell Oct 16 17:32:08 so as the battery charges it would be filled with H2 Oct 16 17:32:09 is this for overclocking or just insane battery life? Oct 16 17:32:30 a weapon? Oct 16 17:32:35 and as the battery discharges it'd be filled with H2O Oct 16 17:32:43 (hydrogen fuel cell) Oct 16 17:32:55 no, just fucking big and awesome looking Oct 16 17:33:30 what's the peltier cooler for? Oct 16 17:33:48 cooling your hand on a summer day? Oct 16 17:33:55 uhm Oct 16 17:34:20 the peltier cooler is on the inside Oct 16 17:34:36 and as a heat pump Oct 16 17:34:55 for...cooling the hydrogen? Oct 16 17:35:04 it might as well be replaced by anything smooth, and (thermally) conductive Oct 16 17:35:11 cooling for the board Oct 16 17:35:43 why does it need cooling?, it works passively now Oct 16 17:37:35 ok I'll be quiet and continue to hack around with zhone Oct 16 17:37:36 Sargun. Oct 16 17:37:56 dave... Oct 16 17:38:06 uhm... more cooling is better? Oct 16 17:38:11 Hydrongen powered freerunners? Oct 16 17:38:20 What are we talking about here? :D Oct 16 17:39:51 basically Oct 16 17:39:56 and a battery guage whih is physical Oct 16 17:40:07 i wish I could hardware hack Oct 16 17:40:18 :) Oct 16 17:40:46 send me cad files and I'll attempt to cut them on my CNC mill :-) Oct 16 17:41:01 It's going to be especially fun if you let the hydrogen oxidize in an uncontrolled way ;) Oct 16 17:41:10 haha Oct 16 17:41:17 BLASTOFF! Oct 16 17:41:30 hence my weapon guess earlier hehe Oct 16 17:41:38 ahm, asplodin' phones? Oct 16 17:41:47 Say, falling off of a bike with it in the pocket ;) Oct 16 17:41:53 you could add a flash to the phone Oct 16 17:41:58 NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED Oct 16 17:42:15 and the flash gap would be closed if you dropped the phone Oct 16 17:42:15 it would be better if you somehow could get oxygen to mix stochiometrically Oct 16 17:42:35 Oh no, the mix... is becoming unstable! Oct 16 17:42:39 D: Oct 16 17:42:50 imagine.. someone falls and the phone blows off their leg... that would be some nasty PR Oct 16 17:43:32 dude Oct 16 17:43:37 I guess if you were going that route you might as well just keep the okygen while it's chorging Oct 16 17:43:44 phones are already pretty much like that Oct 16 17:43:50 some dude lost their head, I think Oct 16 17:44:08 I'm still waiting for the CSI episode where the freerunner is featured as the murder weapon >:) Oct 16 17:44:10 is qutopia really as pretty as this? does it actually work or just look good? http://www.openmoko.com/download-qtopia.html Oct 16 17:44:17 That'll be some great PR... huh? :P Oct 16 17:44:27 Toggles, don't ask me :P Oct 16 17:44:31 You might not like the answer :) Oct 16 17:44:42 Dave: no way Oct 16 17:44:53 Oh, you like my answers? :) Oct 16 17:44:55 you're not going to tell me you can actually make a phone call are you? Oct 16 17:45:01 hahaha Oct 16 17:45:02 i wont like that answer ;-) Oct 16 17:45:08 i love my zhone Oct 16 17:45:13 Dave: developer beaten to death with an under-performing phone by an angry user? ;) Oct 16 17:45:15 whore :p Oct 16 17:45:17 I second that Oct 16 17:45:21 ;-) Oct 16 17:45:28 viq, pretty much :P Oct 16 17:45:28 lol Oct 16 17:45:50 MORE BLUDGEONING PLEASE! Oct 16 17:46:15 OpenMoko harakiri, now that would be some feat to pull off ;) Oct 16 17:46:17 it's like,... Doc, what's this strange ring-shaped pattern here, at the base of the skull... Oct 16 17:46:23 Doc: I've never seen anything like it. Oct 16 17:46:28 :D Oct 16 17:46:41 that's because it's that stupid call-ring design that the freerunner has for the mouthpiece :P Oct 16 17:47:10 How ingenuitive! Oct 16 17:47:36 is the ring for wind blocking/sound reasons? Oct 16 17:47:50 or just to look cool / retarded? Oct 16 17:48:02 Actually I heard it's actually ineffective Oct 16 17:48:09 and the mic was poorly placed as a result of this decision Oct 16 17:48:41 gurugentoo, as far as I know, it actually acts like a wind-tunnel Oct 16 17:48:57 as if the freerunner didn't have ENOUGH [audio] issues Oct 16 17:49:16 nice! well at least it works acceptibly Oct 16 17:49:22 I guess Oct 16 17:49:38 after months of exhaustive work, working around audio malfunctions, bugs, and other silliness Oct 16 17:50:26 nobody complains about the sound quality with debian/zhone, though 2008.9 was giving me issues Oct 16 17:51:18 Probably because noone is making calls with debian/zhone? Oct 16 17:51:32 Since 98% of the debian users want a pc, not a fucking phone. :p Oct 16 17:51:40 At least, that's what I'd figure, anyway :p Oct 16 17:51:51 I meant that I use debian/zhone on mine and nobody has complained Oct 16 17:51:59 Good Oct 16 17:52:07 Probably because it's debtastic! Oct 16 17:52:22 and of course, even though zhone is a total hack, it works effectively well, and people like it :) Oct 16 17:52:28 as said, it's a great testing gui :) Oct 16 17:52:41 and I'm sure that many users couldn't agree more. :0 Oct 16 17:52:42 ;) Oct 16 17:52:42 like a little debbie phone Oct 16 17:52:49 OM NOM NOM NOM Oct 16 17:52:59 it'd be gone in a second... Oct 16 17:53:03 with all these fat programmers around :p Oct 16 17:53:08 speaking of which, hey Brian ;) Oct 16 17:53:17 Dave: Speak for yourself fatty! Oct 16 17:53:24 HAH Oct 16 17:53:25 ") Oct 16 17:53:26 As if! Oct 16 17:53:37 coincidentally, that happens to be my name as well Oct 16 17:54:09 and no I'm not fat Oct 16 17:54:11 Thought I'd poke my head in to see if anything is new. Oct 16 17:54:29 * bricode still has to fit in his cardboard box beside the highway. Oct 16 17:54:52 with a laptop and stolen wifi? Oct 16 17:55:07 running on a car battery? Oct 16 17:55:57 gurugentoo: Something like that. ;) Oct 16 17:58:32 :p Oct 16 17:58:38 Juice it, baby! Oct 16 17:59:19 what would happen if you plugged an fr into a car battery Oct 16 17:59:21 hey at least he's being courteous enough not to run that ghetto orange cord down and out a third-story window, around some clothes lines and down a pole into a pile of cardboard street trash. Oct 16 17:59:23 asplosion? Oct 16 17:59:31 Sargun, been there, done that. Oct 16 17:59:45 Sargun, let's just say your Screen, would be nomore. Oct 16 17:59:58 lol Oct 16 18:00:03 and all we'd be left with is poor charred Sargun. Oct 16 18:00:15 Don't worry, I'm sure we'd hold a memorial service or something :P Oct 16 18:01:18 wire up a lm7805 or 2 and it would work Oct 16 18:01:58 Sargun, I can imagine someone getting out of their car and flagging someone down, quick, I need a jump! (and they take out their freerunner) Oct 16 18:02:09 I'd just slowly walk backwards... from there. Oct 16 18:02:21 and possibly bring a small bag of popcorn with me as well. Oct 16 18:02:50 or go car battery>inverter>charger>fr though you'd be going from 12-120-5V which is just terribly inefficient Oct 16 18:05:28 huhu Oct 16 18:05:31 Trust me Oct 16 18:05:40 I know what happens when you hook a neo to a 24V source :D Oct 16 18:06:21 why the hell? Oct 16 18:06:35 * Dave hides Oct 16 18:06:56 good one Oct 16 18:09:29 I need another monitor Oct 16 18:09:39 brb Oct 16 18:10:37 gurugentoo: why 2 7805? Oct 16 18:11:43 Sargun_Screen: gurugentoo: btw there are dirt cheap car adapters for USB, that deliver 5V@1A Oct 16 18:13:00 DocScrutinizer: I wasn't sure how much power you could shove through a 7805 when you're going from 12->5V Oct 16 18:13:13 Sargun_Screen: to answer your question: device will die on 7.5V, frying PCF50633 PMU chip and drawing ~2A Oct 16 18:14:02 humm, depemds I'd think. There are different types and you'll need a big heatsink for sure ;-) Oct 16 18:14:38 in the end you're better of with a complete car adapter Oct 16 18:14:51 ya, I'm sure there are higher current types, I'll have to agree on the car charger Oct 16 18:15:35 incidentally, how do you enable fast charging in Debian? Oct 16 18:15:45 hey. can someone send me the stock u-boot recieved with the freerunner? Oct 16 18:16:02 dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -U uboot Oct 16 18:16:19 the new one refuses to power up with standalone charger Oct 16 18:16:30 but it powers up with a Linux box Oct 16 18:17:18 well, guys? Oct 16 18:18:03 Guilt: I already flashed mine... Oct 16 18:18:20 oh Oct 16 18:18:39 I'm guessing you didn't back yours up, same as me lol? Oct 16 18:19:29 Guilt: hold AUX while plugging charger Oct 16 18:19:32 ye Oct 16 18:19:38 DocScrutinizer: is that a fix? Oct 16 18:19:50 what seems to be the problem then? Oct 16 18:19:52 let's call it a workaround Oct 16 18:20:12 oh? Oct 16 18:20:37 booting to NOR original U-Boot by holding AUX Oct 16 18:20:51 DocScrutinizer: i am unable to do that too. Oct 16 18:21:01 ?? Oct 16 18:21:12 broke AUX button? Oct 16 18:22:09 plug in, hold AUX, then hold power? Oct 16 18:22:21 nope Oct 16 18:22:40 hold AUX, then plug in. probably no need to press power Oct 16 18:22:59 as it comes up by inserting USB power Oct 16 18:23:12 hmm...didn't know that Oct 16 18:23:22 ;-) Oct 16 18:23:45 hold AUX until U see boot-menu Oct 16 18:24:07 then press AUX to select bot, press power to boot to linux Oct 16 18:28:20 gurugentoo: 7805KC: 5v@1.5A TO-3 so probably ~50W power dissipation Oct 16 18:29:03 Joerg! :F Oct 16 18:29:04 :D Oct 16 18:29:56 holy audio rectifiers batman! Oct 16 18:30:31 hrrhrr Oct 16 18:32:39 DocScrutinizer: that oughta be enough lol Oct 16 18:32:42 Ich mag Deutsches! Oct 16 18:33:01 gurugentoo: if it doesn't come up that way, you probably have a broken or absent battery and a too small capacitor on Vsys Oct 16 18:33:39 gurugentoo: (hold AUX) Oct 16 18:33:42 Joerg, do you believe that the freerunner should ideally use a larger cell battery? Oct 16 18:34:12 no idea. What do you want to hear, Dave? Oct 16 18:34:20 hehe Oct 16 18:34:28 I'd prefer a fusion-reactor Oct 16 18:34:31 Just looking for your opinion, or observation on the subject :) Oct 16 18:34:32 haha Oct 16 18:34:49 yeah, we were talking hydrogen fuel-cells earlier :) Oct 16 18:34:55 Take your pick Oct 16 18:35:09 ideally it should use a smaller cell, with ten times the capacity though Oct 16 18:35:10 plutonium powered pdas Oct 16 18:35:29 Doc, yeah, but we suck at batteries (today, currently) Oct 16 18:35:37 12 hours on 1 drop of water Oct 16 18:35:41 Does such an ideal one exist? Oct 16 18:35:49 slaxxin, that's pretty costly :p Oct 16 18:35:51 nope Oct 16 18:35:53 I'd rather keep my water :P Oct 16 18:36:00 yup Oct 16 18:36:00 Joerg, yeah, that's what I thought Oct 16 18:36:14 What happened to the polymer batteries ? Oct 16 18:36:17 otherwise we would have used that one Oct 16 18:36:22 :) Oct 16 18:36:28 lithium polymer batteries? Oct 16 18:36:33 they blew up and killed someone? Oct 16 18:36:37 LiPo Oct 16 18:36:40 plus lithium sucks Oct 16 18:36:40 They did? Oct 16 18:36:42 yeah Oct 16 18:36:45 Oh. Oct 16 18:36:46 blew some guy's face off Oct 16 18:36:49 didn't you hear? Oct 16 18:36:51 not on FR yet Oct 16 18:36:59 thats too costly to Oct 16 18:37:01 his cellphone exploded Oct 16 18:37:04 lithium sucks Oct 16 18:37:06 Nope. I don't follow new that much Oct 16 18:37:10 news Oct 16 18:37:10 people need to find a better battery Oct 16 18:37:17 I thought it was lithium ion that was the more flamable type Oct 16 18:37:23 Or figure out way to use less power Oct 16 18:37:26 don't listeb to Dave ;-) Oct 16 18:37:31 listen Oct 16 18:37:33 Hey! Oct 16 18:37:37 I'm not always full of shit :) Oct 16 18:37:43 lol Oct 16 18:37:49 ;) Oct 16 18:37:54 LiPo doesn't burst into flames unless really provoked Oct 16 18:37:56 Sometimes you dump it somewhere? ;) Oct 16 18:37:58 Plus my design ideas ARE in fact genuine! Oct 16 18:38:02 actually I didn't hear of an exploding FR Oct 16 18:38:09 granted Oct 16 18:38:10 guru, like sticking a swiss-army knife through the cell? Oct 16 18:38:17 I use them in R/C models Oct 16 18:38:24 DocScrutinizer: no witnesses survived to tell the tale? ;) Oct 16 18:38:30 Dave: well, ya Oct 16 18:38:33 guru, would crashing provoke that kind of thing? Oct 16 18:38:41 gurugentoo, a friend of mine did that to a lipo battery :p Oct 16 18:38:56 you can guess what happened later... Oct 16 18:39:05 Dave: I've had one start smoking and bloat, but no flames Oct 16 18:39:29 guru, but what about lion? Oct 16 18:39:29 nasty smoke though Oct 16 18:39:29 they tend to assplode. Oct 16 18:39:32 :X Oct 16 18:39:35 actually we don't get reports when one of our babies vanishes from radar. So we can't tell whether it was a truck or exploding bat, without wittnesses Oct 16 18:39:56 doc, and usually, witnesses are highly unreliable Oct 16 18:40:02 like they saw aliens or something :) Oct 16 18:40:18 I've seen videos of Lion shorted and they definitely flame out Oct 16 18:40:21 It was a death ray from Mars! Oct 16 18:40:57 hoenoes! Oct 16 18:41:10 guru, so you fly? :) Oct 16 18:41:22 batman flies Oct 16 18:41:33 so I have my second monitor on the desk but I can't find my DVI to VGA adapter...fiddlesticks Oct 16 18:41:33 only sometimes Oct 16 18:42:01 Doc, when his lithium-ion powered grappling hook thingy doesn't die on him :P Oct 16 18:42:19 :-= Oct 16 18:42:20 Doc, maybe we should ask batman for new sources for technological breakthroughs :P Oct 16 18:42:30 I'm sure he's already solved this issue Oct 16 18:42:41 at his big billion dollar wayne enterprises :P Oct 16 18:42:56 guru, I'd give you one of mine :[ Oct 16 18:43:03 guru, where do you live? Oct 16 18:43:19 well C U l8er Oct 16 18:43:21 I could even airlift it with one of my fliers Oct 16 18:44:33 :o Oct 16 18:44:40 Dave: Texas Oct 16 18:44:44 yeehaw? Oct 16 18:45:09 Yeah... that's a little steep for me... unless I use one of my more powerful rockets... Oct 16 18:45:22 Though I've gotten in enough bouts with the FAA already, so I'd better not... Oct 16 18:45:41 particularly for one DVI-VGA adapter :p Oct 16 18:46:06 Dave: I just found one, but it's one with opposite genders form normal Oct 16 18:46:19 haha Oct 16 18:46:27 surprise! :[ Oct 16 18:46:33 ya wtf Oct 16 18:46:43 why do I even have this? Oct 16 18:46:48 hahaha, sounds awesome Oct 16 18:46:50 I'll take it :P Oct 16 18:47:03 it sounds like a great way to piss someone off Oct 16 19:12:15 hi all Oct 16 19:12:30 is there a way to empty the datebook, calendar? Oct 16 19:14:25 can anybody give me a quick opinion about the GSM status of 2008.x ? Oct 16 19:14:47 :p Oct 16 19:14:49 is suspend/resume working and is calling and sms +/- reliable? Oct 16 19:14:51 llo dave :) Oct 16 19:15:02 I would say, no, and no Oct 16 19:15:03 i'm tremendously out of touch Oct 16 19:15:05 but some may disagree Oct 16 19:15:07 yeah so am I Oct 16 19:15:11 so don't listen to me :) Oct 16 19:15:13 i don't know at what level the FR is sucking at the moment :) Oct 16 19:15:35 need a vacuum cleaner for my appartement, thinking of using the Fr Oct 16 19:16:01 i <3 my freerunner Oct 16 19:16:15 it play kiss me where it smells funny when my gf calls Oct 16 19:16:16 me too Oct 16 19:16:19 cracks me up Oct 16 19:16:25 but then i'm easly amused Oct 16 19:16:27 :d Oct 16 19:16:33 what distro are you running? Oct 16 19:16:38 Take a guess ;) Oct 16 19:16:40 hahaha Oct 16 19:16:44 Ooh, Toggles is here! :D Oct 16 19:16:45 Awesome! Oct 16 19:16:53 fso ms3 Oct 16 19:16:53 haha roomie had an adapter, mmm dual screen goodness Oct 16 19:17:05 toggles_w: updated? Oct 16 19:17:10 nope Oct 16 19:17:12 Oh, damn, for a second I thought I was in #offtopic, nevermind -_- Oct 16 19:17:18 you're not as cool anymore, toggles :P Oct 16 19:17:21 hahaha Oct 16 19:17:27 i've been building the fso-testing and unstable on my box at home every otherday Oct 16 19:17:27 Zorkman, I'm still running 2007 ftw Oct 16 19:17:31 Qtx blew Oct 16 19:17:33 seriously Oct 16 19:17:34 :D Oct 16 19:17:36 i flashem but then they never work Oct 16 19:17:40 it made me want to go BACK to Qtopia, after using it. Oct 16 19:17:44 and that alone is sad! Oct 16 19:17:49 Qtextended works, but... it's lame :) Oct 16 19:17:55 and horrible Oct 16 19:17:56 can't do anything with it Oct 16 19:17:59 EXACTLY Oct 16 19:18:00 its good for old people :) Oct 16 19:18:07 dude, I even tried it as a "phone" Oct 16 19:18:09 whatever that is :P Oct 16 19:18:22 and it wasn't amazing or spectacular AT ALL Oct 16 19:18:27 it "worked" as a phone for me most of the time i tried it Oct 16 19:18:32 but a crappy phone... Oct 16 19:18:33 i'm in the zhone Oct 16 19:18:38 :) Oct 16 19:19:03 i'm thinking of flashing the fat, dirty and smelly openmoko distro Oct 16 19:19:09 i can't wait for rev2, i need to blow another $350 on it so i get yelled at again Oct 16 19:19:31 Zorkman: i played with that a while back, it was awesome to actually be able to im Oct 16 19:19:34 haha Oct 16 19:19:43 yeah Oct 16 19:19:51 my big fat greek freerunner? Oct 16 19:19:52 toggles_w: im worked on 2007.2 and 2008.8/9 also Oct 16 19:19:54 ~_~ Oct 16 19:19:55 STOP DOING THAT! Oct 16 19:19:57 with opkg update i get Could not obtain administrative lock Oct 16 19:20:02 but i felt too much like an iphone user so i went back to fso ms3 Oct 16 19:20:06 killall packagekitd Oct 16 19:20:09 Man, by fuckin' 2007 is pimpin', yo! Oct 16 19:20:14 (that was for you noaXess) Oct 16 19:20:24 GPS, SMS, GPRS, IM, WIFI Oct 16 19:20:30 no usable browser, but hey Oct 16 19:21:10 Zorkman: ok Oct 16 19:21:10 browser, who needs that Oct 16 19:21:18 netcat ftw Oct 16 19:21:20 exactly! Oct 16 19:21:26 meow =^_^= Oct 16 19:23:19 openmeowcat ... i've been waiting for that ever since they introduced openmoocow Oct 16 19:23:35 SICU Oct 16 19:23:41 who needs a working phone with apps like that =] Oct 16 19:23:46 :D Oct 16 19:23:49 hells yeah! Oct 16 19:23:54 speaking of which, I should finish that app Oct 16 19:23:58 it was going to be killer Oct 16 19:24:37 hell yeah ... it kept me entertained for six hrs straight Oct 16 19:25:03 Møøøøøøøøøøø Oct 16 19:25:23 go dave .... finish it =] Oct 16 19:25:45 and right on .... teach it to speak the worlds languages Oct 16 19:26:01 :D Oct 16 19:26:07 uhh, maybe not that one Oct 16 19:26:11 so depending on your gps loc ... it goes møøø instead of mooo Oct 16 19:26:15 better yet, convert the world to its language :D Oct 16 19:26:21 oh OH Oct 16 19:26:24 I see :] Oct 16 19:27:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rba45f26391ab 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/const.py modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py): ogsmd: add some Calypso proprietary errors Oct 16 19:28:02 cockadoodledoo? Oct 16 19:28:11 yay ... more calypso errors Oct 16 19:28:25 dave: heh =] Oct 16 19:28:27 is audio working btw? Oct 16 19:28:40 :P Oct 16 19:28:45 Zorkman, what audio? ;p Oct 16 19:28:45 did that echo cancellation stuff work out? Oct 16 19:28:52 not entirely, no Oct 16 19:29:02 and did DocScrutinizer kill the buzzing yet or is he still building his super laser to annihilate it? Oct 16 19:29:04 it apparently fixed "some things" but clearly not all Oct 16 19:29:09 since there are still issues being reported Oct 16 19:29:21 I believe the buzzing was, for the most part, the echo was never fully eliminated Oct 16 19:29:42 how did they fix the buzz? Oct 16 19:29:46 withouth hw fix?? Oct 16 19:29:47 I have no idea :D Oct 16 19:29:50 Don't ask me! Oct 16 19:29:58 go finish your drywall! Oct 16 19:30:04 :D:D Oct 16 19:30:10 I only need curtains Oct 16 19:30:15 :D Oct 16 19:30:17 woot Oct 16 19:30:19 next week is the second housewarming :) Oct 16 19:30:24 what about those badass designs you were planning? Oct 16 19:30:49 gonne go to brussels to morrow to see if i can buy them because the stupid webshop doesn't deliver to europe Oct 16 19:30:59 but i painted some gecko's on the wall :D Oct 16 19:31:52 and a disco ball with a very badd-ass theater-spot aimed at it :) Oct 16 19:32:07 haha Oct 16 19:32:10 cool Oct 16 19:32:22 Zorkman, you will have to show me and bumble later :D Oct 16 19:32:28 when it's complete >:) Oct 16 19:32:29 i certainly will Oct 16 19:32:34 Oh, and can I come by and draw something too? :P Oct 16 19:32:40 or will she beat me if I do :D Oct 16 19:32:43 whenever you guys are in belgium you're always welcome Oct 16 19:32:54 http://n2.nabble.com/GSM-noise-%22buzz%22-issue-tp675090p675090.html Oct 16 19:33:06 o_o Oct 16 19:33:10 Zorkman :] Oct 16 19:33:21 we have enough walls :) Oct 16 19:33:42 :D Oct 16 19:33:45 well, that's good! Oct 16 19:33:45 thanks for the link Oct 16 19:33:56 i still have 500+ emails to read about openmoko :) Oct 16 19:34:30 woot :p Oct 16 19:34:31 don't let Dave draw stuff .... you're wall will be covered in non-working freerunners =0 Oct 16 19:34:38 >:D Oct 16 19:34:43 that might be pretty cool actually Oct 16 19:34:52 I should take the exploded one and turn it into a badass mobile Oct 16 19:34:53 yeah Oct 16 19:34:59 though it won't look as nice as my hdd ones :) Oct 16 19:35:07 the platters ARE pretty sparkly :) Oct 16 19:35:08 haha Oct 16 19:35:13 especially when you draw them on the part of the wall i rebuild, when they crack it will be a real brokenmoko wall Oct 16 19:35:31 :DDDDDd Oct 16 19:35:35 hahaha Oct 16 19:35:59 Just be glad your wall doesn't have bugs... (yet?) ;D Oct 16 19:36:05 haha, could you just imagine? :P Oct 16 19:37:22 the wall will keep you up all night due to buzzing ... and if the wall is in your bedroom i'd be aware of the echo issue ;p Oct 16 19:37:33 :D Oct 16 19:37:39 hahahahaha YES Oct 16 19:37:42 I was just about to say that :p Oct 16 19:37:51 * Dave high-fives sicu Oct 16 19:37:54 hehe ... great minds ... ;p Oct 16 19:38:06 beware... teh neuken ;p Oct 16 19:38:27 :D Oct 16 19:38:39 us off-topicers have taken over this # Oct 16 19:38:43 mohahahaha Oct 16 19:38:48 huhu Oct 16 19:39:03 skitten utlendinger! Oct 16 19:39:08 >:) Oct 16 19:39:13 *g* Oct 16 19:39:17 haha Oct 16 19:39:27 jeg liker deg :p Oct 16 19:40:02 welcome to #narcolepsy bumbl :) Oct 16 19:40:11 =D Oct 16 19:41:10 tydeligvis, zorkmann liker teh mokokuk :p Oct 16 19:41:12 b b brokenmoko :( Oct 16 19:41:23 bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbroko Oct 16 19:41:32 haha =] Oct 16 19:41:44 usb networking is not working Oct 16 19:41:55 er det blitt mørkt? Oct 16 19:42:01 bumbl: distro/booting from SD? Oct 16 19:42:02 modprobe g_ether tells me that there is no such module Oct 16 19:42:09 bumble :[ Oct 16 19:42:12 hmmm, i flashed my FR with SE image and firmware yesterday Oct 16 19:42:13 Zorkman: from flash fso latest kernel Oct 16 19:42:22 sicu, no workie? Oct 16 19:42:25 bah that problem just keeps is reoccuring Oct 16 19:42:25 goes to say usb-networking didnt work for me either Oct 16 19:42:27 -is Oct 16 19:42:27 had the same problem before with various other distros Oct 16 19:42:34 I'm telling you! Oct 16 19:42:36 since they changed stuff from kernel to modules Oct 16 19:42:50 i'm downgrading to ms3 Oct 16 19:42:51 Openmoko development is inversely proportional to progress! Oct 16 19:42:54 Dave: a definitive no workie Oct 16 19:42:58 As development proceeds forward, progress goes backwards! Oct 16 19:43:06 Shall I draw a graph? :] Oct 16 19:43:38 yes please :D Oct 16 19:43:39 bumbl: you mean upgrading Oct 16 19:43:43 bah why the hell don't they fix this stuff Oct 16 19:43:47 toggles_w: no Oct 16 19:43:51 toggles_w he means downgrading Oct 16 19:43:54 YES Oct 16 19:43:59 with ms3 i can't get sms to work Oct 16 19:44:00 I was going to say that! Oct 16 19:44:02 use your goggles! Oct 16 19:44:10 ZEY DO NAHSING! Oct 16 19:44:25 but usbnetworking is more important Oct 16 19:44:28 at the moment Oct 16 19:44:30 true Oct 16 19:44:31 i know nahsing Oct 16 19:44:34 for sms i have my nokia Oct 16 19:44:36 :] Oct 16 19:44:36 i'm from barcelona Oct 16 19:44:45 o_O Oct 16 19:44:51 err Oct 16 19:44:59 fawlty towers? Oct 16 19:45:00 ben je... labiel? Oct 16 19:45:02 yes Oct 16 19:45:06 oh ~_~ Oct 16 19:45:10 ¬_¬ Oct 16 19:45:12 which i would like to see replaced by openmoko though Oct 16 19:45:17 fawlty towers rocks Oct 16 19:45:19 * Zorkman plays apt: stop doing that Oct 16 19:45:20 fawlty mokos Oct 16 19:45:23 :D Oct 16 19:45:36 Sicu, sorry, but I think british humor + openmoko... would result in epic fail Oct 16 19:45:42 and the worst dental hygiene ever. Oct 16 19:45:42 haha Oct 16 19:45:52 and teenage pregnancies Oct 16 19:45:52 haha ... you crack me up Oct 16 19:45:59 :D Oct 16 19:46:06 zorkman, no, that's an american thing Oct 16 19:46:07 :p Oct 16 19:46:17 OH Oct 16 19:46:19 Dave: more english i think Oct 16 19:46:20 That reminds me! Oct 16 19:46:44 I hope you always remember to use a condom when you let your girlfriend use your freerunner, zorkman :) Oct 16 19:46:54 ;) Oct 16 19:46:55 although i don't understand it, because their women seem to consist of 99.9% uggliness Oct 16 19:47:00 yeah :P Oct 16 19:47:12 make for good eurotrash though :] Oct 16 19:47:15 Dave: i have an invisibleshield Oct 16 19:47:19 :D Oct 16 19:47:24 (and i'm going to order a ribbed one for more pleasure Oct 16 19:47:35 zorkman, hey, I'm just trying to preven that aforementioned moko-assisted pregnancy Oct 16 19:47:39 ;p Oct 16 19:47:40 ;D Oct 16 19:47:41 hahaha YES Oct 16 19:47:43 :) Oct 16 19:47:57 I have gloves like that.. Oct 16 19:47:59 in the lab Oct 16 19:48:04 for gripping things Oct 16 19:48:16 and girls sometimes give me strange looks in passing by, when I wear them outside... Oct 16 19:48:19 :P Oct 16 19:48:20 uhmm, gripping what exactly ? Oct 16 19:48:29 read what zorkman wrote above... Oct 16 19:48:32 one week ago i charged my moko, powered it off, and an hour ago i tried to boot it and it didn't work because my battery was empty.... Oct 16 19:48:33 >:) Oct 16 19:48:41 Zorkman - Surprise! Oct 16 19:48:42 :( Oct 16 19:48:45 Surprise failure Oct 16 19:49:06 jævla mokokuk :[ Oct 16 19:49:14 i think America really needs to buy a million FR's Oct 16 19:49:16 for the war on terror Oct 16 19:49:25 hahaha Oct 16 19:49:30 heh ... my FR was off for 3 weeks and then booted just fine (2007 ftw) Oct 16 19:49:31 I think terrorists should do it Oct 16 19:49:36 just drop them over afghanistan and show them who their bagdaddy is Oct 16 19:49:42 because then it would give us the right to invade them! Oct 16 19:49:48 haha Oct 16 19:51:44 gonna check out mokopedia Oct 16 19:52:32 haha, ms5 is 33% completed and so is ms4 :) Oct 16 19:54:50 rofl Oct 16 19:55:02 it's like, We're working on v7 before we start on v5! Oct 16 19:55:08 work backwards! Oct 16 19:55:18 that sounds like openmoko development! Oct 16 19:55:20 Dave: nah they got patches for the easy things Oct 16 19:55:38 and ms5 has <15 entries Oct 16 19:55:58 :o Oct 16 19:56:42 bumbl: i know, but it thought it was funny to mention :) Oct 16 20:01:38 hello. I'm trying to compile the sample program that comes with the tool chain Oct 16 20:01:58 okay Oct 16 20:01:59 but I'm gettin an error I don't know how to solve Oct 16 20:02:05 What's the error? Oct 16 20:02:20 * Dave is gambling for either the pango error or the mokoui2 error Oct 16 20:02:45 libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.la' Oct 16 20:03:23 hehe. Don't know those Oct 16 20:03:59 the path is is looking in seems to be doubled Oct 16 20:04:26 i.e. /usr/local.../usr/loc... Oct 16 20:04:50 aww Oct 16 20:05:05 yeah, sounds like a problem Oct 16 20:05:20 * Dave defers and skedaddles Oct 16 20:07:08 in addition to that I'm missing libgtk.... Oct 16 20:07:29 thanks anyways Oct 16 20:13:33 don't give up stongo! Oct 16 20:14:15 Dave: have there been some nice new apps for 2007.2? Oct 16 20:14:44 hello everybody, is it possible for the accelerometers itself to know if the device could be being driven by car? Oct 16 20:15:10 the accelerometers only know about acceleration Oct 16 20:15:25 you might code software that tried to deduce that Oct 16 20:15:36 you might get better results with checking your speed using gps Oct 16 20:15:45 ok, thanks a lot! Oct 16 20:16:04 (or not, if the signal is not too great in your back pocket in the car... Oct 16 20:16:17 combination of both will always be best Oct 16 20:17:13 I would _guess_ a car's acceleration profile could be semi-reasonably recognized, but that's just a stetson-harrison estimate Oct 16 20:25:20 could be put to the test in congested traffic Oct 16 20:27:40 hey guys, has anyone tried playing videos on the FR? i tried playing an mpg and it looks like complete crap: almost no color, blurry, and the picture is split in two Oct 16 20:29:57 ok, i tried another one, an flc and it's shown 4 times on the screen... anyone know how to get it to work well? Oct 16 20:31:14 has anyone tried mapping xrandr to the aux button, to rotate the screen in om 2008.x? Oct 16 20:31:21 timur: opkg install iphone Oct 16 20:32:45 toggles_w, all right, let me give it a shot Oct 16 20:32:48 what does it install? Oct 16 20:33:19 timur: i'm pulling your leg ;-) Oct 16 20:33:20 Would it be possible install the OpenMoko software on the T-Mobile G1 ? Oct 16 20:33:21 http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=179 Oct 16 20:33:32 I want a 100% free mobile! Oct 16 20:33:48 The T-Mobile G1 is not 100% free software Oct 16 20:34:11 toggles_w, damn you! had me all excited Oct 16 20:34:53 timur: sorry mate, i'm bored out of my scull here catching bugs from 10 yrs ago Oct 16 20:35:38 timur: watch out for the "rm -R *" prank too Oct 16 20:35:50 haha stongo, i'll pick up on that :) Oct 16 20:35:56 hopefully Oct 16 20:36:01 haha :) Oct 16 20:36:38 is anyone going to android on the freerunner (whenever it's ported)? Oct 16 20:37:02 *going to try Oct 16 20:37:15 It is said Android is not 100% free software Oct 16 20:37:38 the freeness is afaik vapor so far Oct 16 20:37:57 that's not quite right Oct 16 20:37:59 pretty much completely. But I haven't followed exactly if they've gotten around to actually freeing the code Oct 16 20:38:07 cjb, have they+ Oct 16 20:38:13 yes. not all of it. Oct 16 20:38:17 though they say they will. Oct 16 20:38:35 there's also the built in kill-switch in Android... talk about freedom Oct 16 20:38:55 stongo, yeah, that's not unexpected, really :) Oct 16 20:39:03 i knew androids could kill people! Oct 16 20:39:16 it's been clear from the start to anyone reading up on android that the freedom they're offering is to the manufacturers, not to the users Oct 16 20:39:38 (phone networks, not manufacturers) Oct 16 20:39:46 ok, so running mplayer from the openmoko-terminal just froze my screen. ssh seems to be still functional Oct 16 20:40:06 I had my hopes set high for android a year ago. but now I've given up on it. Oct 16 20:40:22 cjb, yes well, that too Oct 16 20:40:23 thought it's tempting to flash it still when it comes out. hard to resist.. Oct 16 20:48:39 IMHO the case design of the T-Mobile G1 mobile is not good yet Oct 16 20:53:01 For example: "The display rests against the bottom piece and is starting to creak now after 5 days of heavy usage. " Oct 16 20:53:07 Reference: http://content.zdnet.com/2346-17932_22-241181-46.html Oct 16 21:04:29 any ideas how to fix blurry/duplicated images shown by mplayer when playing a video? Oct 16 21:20:48 ok, i got mplayer to play things nicely when i don't have X running on FR. how can i make it play nice with X? Oct 16 21:21:33 timur: how did it show video without X? Oct 16 21:21:55 telepathy! ;) Oct 16 21:21:56 err, ok, i'm an idiot Oct 16 21:22:06 i meant without enlightment being in the way Oct 16 21:23:39 the thing is if I have enlightment running and then i run mplayer over ssh it 1. doesn't show the video well, 2. once done the screen is unusable and mplayer does not terminate gracefully it seems Oct 16 21:24:22 suggestions anyone? Oct 16 21:25:38 although outputting with fbdev seems to work ok Oct 16 21:47:07 Zorkman: buzz can't be fixed by sw. We have some hw-fixes we can kill buzz Oct 16 21:48:04 Zorkman: either by blocking RF with a ferrite filter, near JK4401 hs-jack Oct 16 21:49:39 Zorkman: or a botch to stabilize the MICBIAS voltage, which is spoiled by RF inside Wolfson, by adding a huge capacitor to this path, and changing a resistor near mic Oct 16 21:50:01 anyone know what the latest developments in the keyboard are? (for om2008.x or in general) Oct 16 21:50:45 neither of the 2 options (qtopia virtual or the illume manually-invoked keyboard) currently are ideal Oct 16 21:50:49 Zorkman: the second one I'm actually working on a foto footage how to do that, on GTA02A5/6 Oct 16 21:52:16 Zorkman: alas the better fix (with ferrite filter) didn't make it on A7 board, but we'll have the botch on A7 it seems Oct 16 21:52:47 Zorkman: stay tuned, we're almost there :-) Oct 16 21:55:10 Zorkman: (echo) we're learning rapidly on calypso GSM-firmware. So eventually we might use better audio settings and echo suppression of GSM-modem Oct 16 22:06:25 Joerg Oct 16 22:06:49 what's up? Oct 16 22:07:18 apparently not my gsm modem :P Oct 16 22:07:26 lol Oct 16 22:07:36 fucking thing Oct 16 22:07:40 so many problems ~_~ Oct 16 22:08:22 stay cool, Dave. We're getting better on fixing the problems, rapidly ATM Oct 16 22:08:52 currently #1024 top of list Oct 16 22:10:23 lpotter: can nokia be poked to release source to older phones? Oct 16 22:10:31 seems we finally found the cause, even while TI in't very helpful on fixing their firmware Oct 16 22:10:54 gnah, U r dreaming Oct 16 22:10:54 Yay! Oct 16 22:11:07 * SpeedEvil wants someone to leak the calypso source. Oct 16 22:11:24 * zash wants source to his phone Oct 16 22:11:37 what happens if a hardware fix is required? will everybody send back the FR for fixes? to where? Thaiwan? Oct 16 22:11:40 Ask TI. Even we dn't have :-/ Oct 16 22:11:46 -h sorry Oct 16 22:11:56 doc|home: yeah - the hardware calypso docs are out there. Oct 16 22:12:19 SpeedEvil: google for calypso TSM30 Oct 16 22:12:20 Not so much the software. Oct 16 22:13:02 doc|home: the hmm Oct 16 22:14:31 who will put ferrites in the phones? Oct 16 22:14:47 LionKMP: as I understand it the ferrite fix for the buz isn't. Oct 16 22:15:01 LionKMP: it's a 'fix' that makes the guts not fit in the case anymore. Oct 16 22:15:06 noone but our fab, on A8 I'd hope Oct 16 22:15:34 Tjhough pothers know more than me. Oct 16 22:15:59 the problem is you can't reasonably expect to remove the JK4401 to isolate pin4 from trace Oct 16 22:16:13 without bricking he phone Oct 16 22:16:34 :X Oct 16 22:16:37 the headphone jack? Oct 16 22:17:05 I'm checking all weird methods to do it without desoldering the hs-jack 4401 Oct 16 22:17:31 the botch is easier and less risky anyway Oct 16 22:17:45 botch? Oct 16 22:17:54 however it remains a botch, and isn't clear to fix *all* issues Oct 16 22:18:01 It's 'easy' if you don't care about the headphone jack. Oct 16 22:18:10 * SpeedEvil haz dremel! Oct 16 22:18:15 nah, even then Oct 16 22:18:26 yup Oct 16 22:18:36 only way to remove jk4401 the safe way Oct 16 22:18:40 You cut teh plastic parts carefully away after masking off the jack area. then desolder the pins individually. Oct 16 22:18:59 cut to pieces and desolder pin by pin, piece by piece Oct 16 22:19:30 I'm sure it's possible to desolder teh jack in principle. Oct 16 22:19:39 I also try to cut in4 nly Oct 16 22:19:41 I wouldn't want to try it without a dozen phones to test on. Oct 16 22:19:47 pin 4 Only Oct 16 22:20:22 :D Oct 16 22:20:33 it's darn hard, only can do that when experienced and ave good tools (hot air etc) Oct 16 22:20:48 (desolder) Oct 16 22:20:50 and consistent tools. Oct 16 22:21:05 Closely packed stuff isn't fun. Oct 16 22:21:25 * SpeedEvil yearns for the distant fields of DIP and wire-wrap. Oct 16 22:22:01 doc|home: what's the issue - RF getting into the mic amp? Oct 16 22:22:05 there's still another idea to burn the trace from pin4 to nearby next pad, by applying 5Amps Oct 16 22:22:20 nobody seems eager to try it :-D Oct 16 22:23:18 well, you may read about all this on my "buzz-report" to be published in a few days. Oct 16 22:23:18 Docscrutinizer2: I assume a shorting plug pushed into the headphone socket won't do anything? Oct 16 22:23:35 Docscrutinizer2: = doc: ? Oct 16 22:23:40 It even made things worse Oct 16 22:23:50 doc|home Oct 16 22:23:53 all the same Oct 16 22:24:03 * DocScrutinizer at sofa Oct 16 22:24:08 * DocScrutinizer at desk Oct 16 22:24:08 Ah. Oct 16 22:24:27 * SpeedEvil at leaping from building to building on vines. Oct 16 22:25:09 doc|home is someone else Oct 16 22:25:17 Ah Oct 16 22:25:46 ~docscrutinizer Oct 16 22:25:47 you are probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Oct 16 22:26:23 /whois DocScrutinizer ;-) Oct 16 22:26:31 Docscrutinizer2: my hypothesis was that the buz would vary by user due to frequency band and closeness to tower. Is this sane? Oct 16 22:26:47 correc Oct 16 22:26:48 t Oct 16 22:27:13 o.O Oct 16 22:27:40 At least my 'phone' will be simpler and easier. Oct 16 22:27:48 though in fact it's PCF, the power factor aka transmit power of the mobile, remote controlled(!!) by the BTS Oct 16 22:27:55 (GSM module, one button to dial, no voice) Oct 16 22:28:20 :-) Oct 16 22:28:45 was nice, guys. But I ave to go now :-) Oct 16 22:28:54 Docscrutinizer2: good luck! Oct 16 22:28:54 wave Oct 16 22:28:56 otherwise no more beer at pub Oct 16 22:29:02 Oh noes! Oct 16 22:42:56 raster, you see you're on the front page of /. ? Oct 16 22:52:58 hehe, i'm sure he's aware of it ... as well as linuxdevices.com Oct 16 22:53:04 good going though =] Oct 16 22:54:53 rawtatoor: ugh! time for slashdot comments... the most ultra-intelligent lot of commenters in existence! Oct 16 22:55:47 hehe ... there were quite a few of them already :/ Oct 16 22:56:08 just finished sifting through them myself Oct 16 23:02:22 <[Rui]> FUCK Oct 16 23:02:39 <[Rui]> console=tty0 on a normal boot is a real downer on boot speed Oct 16 23:05:25 <[Rui]> FUCK: xserver-nodm calls itself Oct 16 23:05:51 sicu: peanut gallery :) Oct 16 23:05:59 <[Rui]> sorry for this horrible slang, I'm trying to look at Om2008.9 boot process Oct 16 23:10:24 sÃ¥... sicu Oct 16 23:10:54 er du going to get the HOP1800? :D Oct 16 23:12:13 Joerg - problems again :[ Oct 16 23:15:37 raster: enough to fill several galleries =p Oct 16 23:16:20 sicu: aye Oct 16 23:16:25 Dave: it's sadly only available in the US so far iirc, but i must get one when i'm next there =D Oct 16 23:16:41 HOP1800 is the one Oct 16 23:17:17 <[Rui]> erms... Oct 16 23:17:21 <[Rui]> is fsck EVER run? Oct 16 23:17:24 Sicu, I'd ship one to you... Oct 16 23:17:32 but it costs like a million dollars to ship back there Oct 16 23:17:34 :X Oct 16 23:17:52 Dave: haha Oct 16 23:17:55 <[Rui]> if not, there's a whole sleuth of useless garbage in /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh Oct 16 23:20:32 <[Rui]> hms? Cannot join #openmoko-devel (Requires keyword). Oct 16 23:20:42 that's a NDA channel Oct 16 23:20:46 Dave: do you think HOP has what it takes to run illume? Oct 16 23:20:51 try cdevel instead Oct 16 23:20:52 #cdevel is the commercial chanel Oct 16 23:20:53 top secret channel. Oct 16 23:21:01 community Oct 16 23:21:02 they don't let us commoners in there ;) Oct 16 23:21:16 sicu, if it had a screen, yes. Oct 16 23:21:19 so we have to use cdevel instead of devel... Oct 16 23:21:25 <[Rui]> ah... Oct 16 23:21:38 mwester, it's just a cabal. Oct 16 23:21:39 <[Rui]> so the other day it must've been accidently opened, then :) Oct 16 23:21:39 So what's new here? Raster is famous I see. Oct 16 23:21:40 Dave: ah, a screen ... who needs that ;p Oct 16 23:21:47 Mwester, as usual ;) Oct 16 23:21:51 sicu, that's what I said! Oct 16 23:21:52 :D Oct 16 23:22:04 <[Rui]> OMFG sysctl values setup with LOTS of echo VAL > /proc/... instead of using sysctl.conf Oct 16 23:23:22 sicu: HOP? Oct 16 23:23:45 Hop-on Phone Oct 16 23:24:00 Dave: you'll like this Oct 16 23:24:11 <[Rui]> OMFG mount nfs on the published image... Oct 16 23:24:21 <[Rui]> no wonder this all takes ages Oct 16 23:24:21 http://www.hop-on.com/pr_042888.html || http://hop-on.com/featured_product.html Oct 16 23:24:22 Dave: my buddy has a fedora 5 system, he asked me to setup an irc server, and I had to install flex and bison with yum :S Oct 16 23:24:31 hot Oct 16 23:24:40 raster: what dave said ;] Oct 16 23:24:42 yum makes me wanna puke Oct 16 23:24:49 I'm sure that was an exhilarating experience, for the both of you. Oct 16 23:25:02 ha ha Oct 16 23:25:48 [Rui]: if you're gonna keep looking into the boot process you might wanna check your cortisol levels and make sure they stay stable ;p Oct 16 23:25:54 never heard of it Oct 16 23:26:34 :] Oct 16 23:26:38 <[Rui]> sicu: I'm almost finishing adding some DEBUG flags to time how much is wasted on useless stuff Oct 16 23:26:39 man Oct 16 23:26:43 sicu is on fire tonight :D Oct 16 23:27:04 in fact Oct 16 23:27:07 what is hop-on phone Oct 16 23:27:13 google tells me is a hpone store Oct 16 23:27:25 http://www.hop-on.com/ Oct 16 23:27:39 http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/05/hopon_1800_10_gsm_cell_phone_is_a_phone_you_wont_mind_losing-2.html Oct 16 23:27:40 ok Oct 16 23:27:41 <[Rui]> OMFG S55bootmisc.sh is hilarious Oct 16 23:27:42 something else Oct 16 23:28:11 <[Rui]> I would prod someone with an electrical bat, but a) I don't have one, b) that someone must be very far away from me, surely :) Oct 16 23:28:23 raster: it's bleeding edge technology ;] Oct 16 23:28:35 haha Oct 16 23:28:39 like my startac? Oct 16 23:28:45 no idea Oct 16 23:28:58 cant fiund enough info on it within my attention span :) Oct 16 23:29:13 boo Oct 16 23:29:15 Dave: you cannot stop the fire ^^ Oct 16 23:29:18 :D Oct 16 23:29:22 I wouldn't want to! ;) Oct 16 23:30:54 <[Rui]> let's try a reboot Oct 16 23:32:05 <[Rui]> how can I add flags to the kernel's command line, anyone here knows? Oct 16 23:33:03 well, if i do get the hop-on, the only thing left for me to desire would be a disposable pc Oct 16 23:33:13 might have to get a macbook air ... Oct 16 23:34:01 :D Oct 16 23:34:21 <[Rui]> nite all Oct 16 23:34:35 why not skip the extra steps and just throw away your money Oct 16 23:34:43 * Dave high-fives zash Oct 16 23:34:51 OH YEAH Oct 16 23:34:56 interesting =] Oct 16 23:34:57 zash, because then you'd miss a perfectly good opportunity to use your blender!P Oct 16 23:35:00 :D Oct 16 23:35:24 I should email David Letterman Oct 16 23:35:30 To do a will it float with a Mac Book Air Oct 16 23:35:35 why not just blend the money and cure aids ! Oct 16 23:35:36 Come on, it's AIR! right? Oct 16 23:35:39 haha Oct 16 23:35:42 haha Oct 16 23:36:14 southpark rawks Oct 16 23:36:31 o_O Oct 16 23:36:48 http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/164373 Oct 16 23:41:36 damn that is satisfying Oct 16 23:41:45 * BobOfDoom is applying jigsaw to an old motherboard Oct 16 23:42:00 god damn Oct 16 23:42:01 Hmm. Oct 16 23:42:04 raster: do you ever reply to some of the peanuts under a different alias ... or do you resist the temptation? =] Oct 16 23:42:06 what did that poor mb ever do to you? Oct 16 23:42:07 Motherboard jigsaws. Oct 16 23:42:23 sicu: i never go under aliases other than me Oct 16 23:42:32 (raster*) Oct 16 23:42:44 (ratsre, rasterman etc. - depending if username is taken) Oct 16 23:42:59 i dopnt hide - i put my name to my outbursts prudly Oct 16 23:43:00 :) Oct 16 23:43:02 proudly Oct 16 23:43:03 :) Oct 16 23:43:09 don't Oct 16 23:43:16 hehe ... good stuff =] Oct 16 23:44:19 raster: it's the donor for my USB transplant Oct 16 23:44:32 raster: I'm trying to see if I can get USB host working on the treo :B Oct 16 23:46:46 ooooh Oct 16 23:46:51 any reason why? Oct 16 23:46:56 or just for shits & giggles? Oct 16 23:47:14 to add wifi? Oct 16 23:47:25 BobOfDoom: you could've gone at it with surgical gloves, as opposed to the smith's hammer Oct 16 23:47:27 mainly just cause I can Oct 16 23:47:40 hahahahahhaha Oct 16 23:47:54 sicu: yeah.. I tried with soldering iron to start with... but.. that was taking too long :p Oct 16 23:49:23 ah well ... impatience has it's virtue too =] Oct 16 23:49:31 must've made you feel all tingly inside Oct 16 23:50:19 i've placed my FR on the anvil a couple of times, but i lack the balls Oct 16 23:50:46 damn.. PCBs are tough little buggers Oct 16 23:50:53 die motherboard, die Oct 16 23:50:58 haha Oct 17 00:14:25 Bob! Oct 17 00:15:18 Dave! Oct 17 00:19:35 they will put your eye out to Oct 17 00:31:58 YES Oct 17 01:06:37 is the issue with the neo not charging on certain usb devices hardware or software related? Oct 17 01:18:57 Hey coldfyre Oct 17 01:21:30 hiya Oct 17 01:29:56 anybody uses debian on the FR?\ Oct 17 01:33:59 on my pc :) Oct 17 01:40:38 :) Oct 17 01:47:22 hmmm Oct 17 01:48:52 hmm Oct 17 01:49:12 =] Oct 17 01:49:33 hvordan sier du brokenmoko pÃ¥ norsk? :D Oct 17 01:50:00 ødelagtmoko Oct 17 01:50:44 kinda misses the appealing clang ... Oct 17 01:50:54 cling / klang .... ? Oct 17 01:51:44 clang Oct 17 01:51:48 i got debian on sdcard Oct 17 01:51:53 (oh, in English) Oct 17 01:52:05 cjb: thx =] Oct 17 01:52:09 :D Oct 17 01:52:13 yeah Oct 17 01:52:28 stemmer det :p Oct 17 01:52:30 Dave: rævamoko ... now that's better ;] Oct 17 01:54:01 :D Oct 17 01:54:03 haha Oct 17 01:54:12 more like pulemoko Oct 17 01:54:15 ¬_¬ Oct 17 01:54:32 =] Oct 17 01:55:46 well ... seeing as i have to go to work at 7am, i should really consider going to bed before 4am :/ Oct 17 01:56:28 ~bed sicu Oct 17 01:56:29 * apt tucks sicu into a warm bed. Oct 17 01:57:43 haha, yeah Oct 17 01:57:44 awww Oct 17 01:57:47 ^_^ Oct 17 01:58:05 hade :] Oct 17 02:02:36 nite =] Oct 17 02:06:39 truste Oct 17 02:21:51 night Dave-noise º;-) Oct 17 02:25:32 :D Oct 17 02:41:51 do any of the openmoko distros look as nice when booting as raster's latest e on the device? http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-freerunner.avi Oct 17 02:42:38 * mwester scratches his head and wonders why looking nice while booting is an important consideration Oct 17 02:43:11 mwester: candeeeeeyyyy! Oct 17 02:43:36 mwester, it's not Oct 17 02:43:40 it was just a question Oct 17 02:44:01 that video was a very nice off-to-X transition sequence, thought it was worthy of mention Oct 17 02:44:12 Openmoko has "seen the light" and finally admitted that there needs to be a phone behind the glitz. Oct 17 02:44:13 I much prefer the recent discussion / announcement of back to basics on the list :) Oct 17 02:44:29 mwester, yes, and I agree. Was just curious Oct 17 02:44:32 I bought a GTA01 Oct 17 02:44:40 So did I Oct 17 02:44:45 and so I've been quasi left in the cold, so it's hard for me to keep up to date on the device Oct 17 02:44:57 heh - it works better than the GTA02, and has done so for a long time! Oct 17 02:45:06 also, I never could manage to get GPS to truly work. I got it seeing five sats once, best I could manage Oct 17 02:45:28 I love the device still...I'm just waiting for a situation where I can actually use it for anything other than numpty and be happy about it :) Oct 17 02:46:00 I'll integrate it into my home theater system as a remote, worst case scenario...but it'd have to be stationary, because there's no wifi... Oct 17 02:46:03 I just submitted a patch that might help in that regard, and DocScrutinizer put up a page with a potential hardware workaround (solderless) that would apply to the GTA01 as well as the 02. Oct 17 02:46:14 Y'got bluetooth. Oct 17 02:46:15 also, tried debian on the gta01? Oct 17 02:46:21 that's true, duh Oct 17 02:46:31 Bluetooth works a heck of a lot better than wifi on the FR does right now! Oct 17 02:46:38 mwester: to be honest - the problem isnt glitz Oct 17 02:46:51 the problem is management and lack fo any idea who customers are Oct 17 02:46:53 and whta workds Oct 17 02:46:56 and micromanegement Oct 17 02:47:06 Why on earth would you put Debian on a gta01? Buy a $150 used desktop and it will run rings around debian on the FR or Neo Oct 17 02:47:07 I got debian 'installed' on the gta01 with the fso-pkg installer. I just didn't get it usable. Like, no xfce bar, etc. Oct 17 02:47:26 jadams_: if you want a phone, go with Qtopia. Oct 17 02:47:33 Works very very well on the GTA01 Oct 17 02:47:33 mwester, because I can't get a usable device in any other way? Also, because I'm playing, that's what prompted me to give OM money for the gta01 in the first place :) Oct 17 02:47:36 the fact that forever and a day there was a new flavor of the moneht for "the goals" Oct 17 02:47:39 mwester, yeah, I want a free phone Oct 17 02:47:48 mwester, and I want a platform, I don't want qtopia Oct 17 02:47:53 from the diversity stuff that was to to b worked on that was all about gps/nav/voip Oct 17 02:47:58 instead of addressing phone Oct 17 02:48:05 jadams_: then you'll have to wait for FSO. Oct 17 02:48:10 right, phone first, seemed like we were almost there fifteen times Oct 17 02:48:15 mwester, meh, I'm getting an android Oct 17 02:48:15 then it was all about implementing the pixel-perfect designs of sean's Oct 17 02:48:19 and not makign stuff that works Oct 17 02:48:20 I'll buy another openmoko sometime Oct 17 02:48:26 or some other free phone Oct 17 02:48:30 and I'll use my gta01 in some capacity Oct 17 02:48:33 and also management dictating how texchnical solutions are to be implemented Oct 17 02:48:39 eg the keyboard activation Oct 17 02:48:49 and you can name a continual stream of these Oct 17 02:48:52 raster: I can only imagine what went on there, but it couldn't have been pretty -- there were too many smart people in one place to not know what was wrong. Oct 17 02:49:20 the fact powermenagament is still being worked on is that there was never much attempt from usersapce to impement it well as thgnis were always being driven in a new "product direction" Oct 17 02:49:28 oh no Oct 17 02:49:31 too many smart people Oct 17 02:49:34 I just wanted a phone, and with the old (I know it wasn't extremely amazing) 2007 gsm stuff it sort of worked. And then instead of seeing the one or two remaining quibbles (ALSA auto-setup fix much?) worked out, I got pushed aside for gta02 in 2008 Oct 17 02:49:41 with those with signficantly less clue telling them what to do and how to do it Oct 17 02:49:53 lol @ raster Oct 17 02:50:09 raster: couldn't agree more Oct 17 02:50:20 i was told in no uncertain terms that i know no ui design Oct 17 02:50:22 or how it works Oct 17 02:50:28 and that i'm just a programmer Oct 17 02:50:32 ie to do as told and instructed Oct 17 02:50:37 i quit for a reason Oct 17 02:50:42 raster, hahaha Oct 17 02:50:46 raster: what do you know about UI's and window managers anyways :-p Oct 17 02:50:55 sv nothing! Oct 17 02:50:58 LOL Oct 17 02:50:58 CVirus: nothing! Oct 17 02:50:59 :) Oct 17 02:51:19 despite me explaining all the thngis that break when u remvoe manual keyboard control that was ignored Oct 17 02:51:22 raster, enlightenment drove me to be a graphic designer (or rather, stoked that flame) which led to me transitioning to a professional programming job at an early age, etc. Oct 17 02:51:27 in favor of "but iophone doesnt need it" liek arguments Oct 17 02:51:42 your ui skills helped me like computers more, etc. back in the days Oct 17 02:51:42 or "i read some apple document that says steve jobs does..." Oct 17 02:51:49 so to hear that is ridiculous to me...just nonsense Oct 17 02:52:01 jadams_: was to me too Oct 17 02:52:08 as that was what i was hired for Oct 17 02:52:13 but as tiem went on it was more apparent Oct 17 02:52:19 i was to do was instructed Oct 17 02:52:22 sigh.... Oct 17 02:52:23 not as "was right" Oct 17 02:52:24 Frankly, the fact that the top dogs at Om *NEVER* show up on IRC rather says it all. Any other startup has management hunting down their customers to ask how its going, what they can do better, and oh by the way if you like us, can you recommend us to your friends? Oct 17 02:52:31 right, right, right, right Oct 17 02:52:45 mwester: i pestered sean to addres the community Oct 17 02:52:50 to listen to them and talk to them Oct 17 02:52:50 I mean geezus, what company wouldn't LOVE to have a bunch of their most loving customers in one room to talk to from time to time? Oct 17 02:52:55 never really happened Oct 17 02:53:00 so i was betwene a hard place and a rock Oct 17 02:53:00 jadams_: Exactly. Oct 17 02:53:15 i cant do thngs right by the users because management has dictated that i am to do as they design Oct 17 02:53:17 and if they'd come in here I could have told them 'if I had a functioning phone right now I'd sell forty of these to my customers for apps next week' Oct 17 02:53:22 and its all just wrong Oct 17 02:53:22 and so could most of the people in this room prolly Oct 17 02:53:23 sigh Oct 17 02:53:27 maybe sean can't use IRC ? Oct 17 02:53:34 Especially this group of geeks -- most of whom would happily show off their phones at every geek gathering, conference, training class, etc. Oct 17 02:53:37 mickey's fso work should have been done instead of a topia port Oct 17 02:53:41 qtopia port to x11 Oct 17 02:53:46 yes, yes Oct 17 02:53:50 shoudl have used the existing 2007.x gtk and gsmd stuff Oct 17 02:53:52 and just fixed it Oct 17 02:53:52 qtopia on x11 gained nothing, right? Oct 17 02:53:58 as you still couldn't run other apps in that space Oct 17 02:54:02 or those apps in another space Oct 17 02:54:06 while that was being fixe di was wanitng to work on cleaning up the whole ui infra to be better Oct 17 02:54:09 it was just a giant suite of not-happening Oct 17 02:54:46 2007.x plus the flat (no gradients) gtk theme (super fast) plus a working dialer plus a single document on building a hello world app and running it on the phone Oct 17 02:54:48 sounds like a whim Oct 17 02:54:50 there is a massive disconnect betwene om management and their customers/users Oct 17 02:54:54 that would have just won I think Oct 17 02:54:56 aint whims nice Oct 17 02:54:56 i knwo that om uppers are all about design Oct 17 02:54:58 design schools Oct 17 02:55:00 they worship apple Oct 17 02:55:04 So now we all hang about, skeptical and suspicious, waiting to see if Om delivers this time -- what a way to turn off your customer base! Oct 17 02:55:07 I mean, hell, google's sdk was just a couple of basic app examples at first, right? Oct 17 02:55:13 they are all keen on fancy product designers form japan Oct 17 02:55:14 or mit Oct 17 02:55:15 or such Oct 17 02:55:27 but they have yet to have a working phone or platform or windowing system infra Oct 17 02:55:32 RASTER Oct 17 02:55:38 oh no Oct 17 02:55:45 e and efl gets u a chunk of the design/eyecandy for free Oct 17 02:55:56 right, and a working widget set Oct 17 02:55:56 ie comes with the territory Oct 17 02:56:09 and an easily scripted base Oct 17 02:56:09 and i generally put some effort into it as a personal "i just cant stand to see something ugly" Oct 17 02:56:20 so raster - 'fess up -- WHO was it that insisted on the ridiculous boots on the boot splash? You keep saying it wasn't you! Oct 17 02:56:29 fso is pretty nice Oct 17 02:56:31 mwester: sean/will Oct 17 02:56:34 their diesng/idea Oct 17 02:56:36 design Oct 17 02:56:39 I liked the boots Oct 17 02:56:43 basically look at my illume image Oct 17 02:56:46 vs asu (2008.x) Oct 17 02:56:47 It was funny once. Oct 17 02:56:57 then u know the difference in design Oct 17 02:56:59 it still is funny Oct 17 02:57:02 I like fso tons, I would think a dialer in e over d-bus would be the bee's pajamas, the cat's knees Oct 17 02:57:12 Then I looked for some setting to disable it, and that's when I realized that the ASU direction was going the wrong way. Oct 17 02:57:14 jadams_: thats an end goal Oct 17 02:57:22 raster, I assumed as much Oct 17 02:57:30 buit first Oct 17 02:57:33 get the "Desktop" right Oct 17 02:57:44 as I knew you weren't an asshat without clue 1 on ui :) Oct 17 02:57:53 bring it back in line to something users/community want/need Oct 17 02:58:11 also, if om's so much about design...why did they get their non-programmer hands all over the guts? Oct 17 02:58:13 i have to say Oct 17 02:58:23 before i ever saw gta02 - i had high hoeps for glamo and gfx Oct 17 02:58:34 but that turned out massively worse than ever expected Oct 17 02:58:39 yeah, glamo was a disappointment to me the moment I started seeing benchmarks Oct 17 02:58:42 tiny pipe Oct 17 02:58:45 slaxxin: No, no boot splash this early in development. It has to look REALLY ugly - like the whole screen full of kernel panic -- the minute you get a splash screen up, developers stop caring about the errors and warnings, and you get nothing but sloppiness. Oct 17 02:58:45 haha Oct 17 02:58:47 jadams! Oct 17 02:58:49 awesome :D Oct 17 02:59:22 mwester: maybe thats the way kernel devs work - defintiely not me Oct 17 02:59:22 :) Oct 17 02:59:29 there was 1 good bootsplash **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 17 02:59:57 2008