**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 22 02:59:57 2008 Oct 22 03:01:10 I think they only have older kit Oct 22 03:26:02 * rwhitby contributes his first fix for the Android build system: http://review.source.android.com/1205 Oct 22 03:28:11 rwhitby, rm -rf / ? Oct 22 03:28:57 rwhitby, ;-) ... i see you are the very first? Oct 22 03:29:24 gah, is that google app engine :-/ Oct 22 03:29:56 daMaestro: only the first for that git repo Oct 22 03:36:15 daMaestro: hmm - maybe it is the first: http://review.source.android.com/all Oct 22 03:36:49 rwhitby: I saw one there before Oct 22 03:36:59 BobOfDoom: damn! Oct 22 03:37:00 rwhitby: maybe it deletes applied patches Oct 22 03:37:08 * rwhitby strikes it from his resume ... Oct 22 03:37:38 haha Oct 22 03:38:00 git++ Oct 22 03:38:08 still can't get the thing to build though Oct 22 03:39:02 rwhitby: just be a little more creative, put "Contributed to Android within 14 hours of it being released" Oct 22 03:39:35 BobOfDoom: "Key contributor to Android source code release" Oct 22 03:39:46 :D Oct 22 03:39:50 even better Oct 22 03:40:07 I did contribute a "key" of sorts (had to register an account) Oct 22 03:41:01 Assisted untold thousands of developers who do not have Java installed from a terrible plight of mysterious error messages. Global hero. Oct 22 03:41:49 "Enabled increased efficiency of world-wide Android development process" Oct 22 03:49:44 Fame comes in many forms ;) Oct 22 03:51:39 some of them stinking slightly of bullshit :) Oct 22 03:52:57 doc|home: amen ;-) Oct 22 03:57:03 What's up doc Oct 22 04:00:52 meh Oct 22 04:01:11 news from the front: docs.openmoko.org is now 0.11.1 .. so if it burps, please tell me ;) Oct 22 04:01:45 minor update.. but i cleaned up the directories a bit and serving static content changed a bit.. so one never knows Oct 22 04:01:56 roh: sweet - we use that version here at my company, and it's been chugging along fine. Oct 22 04:02:45 jap.. same here for the 3 other tracs and the private one(s) i have.. Oct 22 04:03:07 still e.g. we have some patches in accountmanagerplugin and a custom hook stuff etc... Oct 22 04:03:21 did funny things before ;) Oct 22 04:04:05 i am really interrested in trac 0.12 for docs... to use a real git plugin and have multirepo-support.. *eg* Oct 22 04:07:02 * roh is staring at https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1582 and https://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1519 right now... any comments? somebody? Oct 22 04:07:59 Could someone please tell me where I can find the old svn path's trunk/src/target/uboot/patches ? Oct 22 04:08:20 .oO(the day openmoko introduced the 'calendar-week' *tadaaaa*) Oct 22 04:08:41 also what's the deal with all the changes in revision control systems Oct 22 04:08:48 it changes more often than I change my underpants Oct 22 04:10:20 it was just a quilt patchset in svn Oct 22 04:10:40 and is a patchset in git ontop of uboot from upstream now Oct 22 04:11:01 hmm, well I have a newly acquired s3c2440 board, and I've seen many SVN messages relating to patches that are for this board Oct 22 04:11:04 much more relaxing for devels once you know git Oct 22 04:11:28 I learned CVS and SVN for work, I've read about git and it sounds like one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of Oct 22 04:11:45 git is streamlined for kernel.org style operation Oct 22 04:11:54 maintaining patches. not repos Oct 22 04:11:55 "linux uses it" does not impress me Oct 22 04:11:57 :) Oct 22 04:12:30 to make the story short: when you want to work with upstream which is git (true for kernel and uboot) you have less pain using also git. Oct 22 04:12:34 granted the projects I work on are only committed to by ~50 people Oct 22 04:12:53 centralistic use is not that 'typical' for git Oct 22 04:13:39 openembedded uses git now too. Oct 22 04:13:46 So for someone who has no interest in this project (it looks like a very nice project) other than a patch, how could I obtain these patches? Oct 22 04:13:53 duh.. svn just makes no sense there ;) Oct 22 04:14:23 same for the kernel or uboot (anyhting where you merge like mad with upstream and multiple downstream contributors) Oct 22 04:14:31 git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/u-boot.git openmoko/u-boot Oct 22 04:14:39 slow as hell, and it did not contain any such patches Oct 22 04:16:04 heh.. you never were bothered with mtn... git is quite fast for the amount to data it handles (if not our git daemons sucks again) Oct 22 04:16:29 roh: amen to that Oct 22 04:16:51 poutine: you mean you want the changes against upstream u-boot as patch files? Oct 22 04:17:09 *sigh* .. if i now only knew what the devels _really_ want when it comes to trac custom ticket fields Oct 22 04:17:37 poutine: just type "git format-patch master stable" in the repo you cloned Oct 22 04:19:05 fatal: ambiguous argument 'stable': unknown revision or path not in the working tree. Oct 22 04:19:17 ah Oct 22 04:19:19 sorry Oct 22 04:19:24 I forgot it doesn't create local branches Oct 22 04:19:29 try this: Oct 22 04:19:41 git format-patch origin/master origin/stable Oct 22 04:20:06 woah Oct 22 04:20:09 actually maybe not Oct 22 04:20:14 that's everything Oct 22 04:20:15 rwhitby something like that? http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PeerReviewPlugin Oct 22 04:20:21 uhm.. wrong window Oct 22 04:20:25 how many are there? Oct 22 04:20:43 looks like "master" isn't what I thought it was Oct 22 04:20:46 nm Oct 22 04:20:48 I got them all Oct 22 04:21:04 git checkout origin/stable Oct 22 04:21:07 roh: oh, cool. thanks! Oct 22 04:21:13 will get you the tree Oct 22 04:21:17 BobOfDoom, so is this copy wrong? Oct 22 04:21:52 poutine: I think that format-patches generated a whole bunch of upstream patches too Oct 22 04:22:08 rwhitby its amazing how many extremely practical and simple plugins there are... its just quite a art to get a well playing solution from the 'right ones' ;) Oct 22 04:22:29 roh: have you seen 'Bitten' ? Oct 22 04:22:59 hmm something funny is going on there, it's generating a whole bunch of "initial revision" patches for me Oct 22 04:23:05 yeah.. want that too.. as soon as we have working multirepo trac and can add all the git repos to docs Oct 22 04:24:07 rwhitby already showed it some oe guys.. still need someone deeper into oe hacking 'direct oe support' for bitten, else we would need to call it via shell (which is dirty and limits the magic completeness of features) Oct 22 04:24:15 poutine: ahh... if that generated too many patches for you too, try: git checkout origin/stable; git format-patch origin/master Oct 22 04:24:31 poutine: sorry about that, I'm out of practice ;) Oct 22 04:24:39 poutine: there should be 102 patches Oct 22 04:25:34 thank you, I will go over the information again Oct 22 04:27:36 beautiful Oct 22 04:28:34 poutine you may also take a look at 'qi' Oct 22 04:28:51 'qi? Oct 22 04:29:19 http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git Oct 22 04:29:26 poutine: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary Oct 22 04:29:30 its _'do only what you need' and use linux for the rest booting Oct 22 04:29:32 it's a lighter-weight bootloader for the openmokos Oct 22 04:29:53 to end the gigantic code-duplication between uboot and the kernel.. Oct 22 04:30:36 basically the kernel needs to do all the init previously uboot did for it. qi only does 'load from flash and enable enough ram before' Oct 22 04:30:47 well I have a NOR flash just for the bootloader eh? Oct 22 04:30:50 I am having trouble understanding how to flash my freerunner with FDOM. I have flashed versions of ALU, FSO, and Qtopia and then always have a .bin and a .jffs2 file that I flash with dfu-util -a kernal and -a rootfs respectively. Oct 22 04:31:28 On the download page for FDOM there is a jffs2 and a tar.gz file which appears to contain the filesystem as well. Oct 22 04:31:35 How do I flash FDOM? Oct 22 04:31:54 dfu-util Oct 22 04:32:27 dskippy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Oct 22 04:32:29 Raster, yes, as I mentioned I usually use dfu-util. Oct 22 04:33:04 dskippy: flash the jffs2 Oct 22 04:33:10 you can just keep your current kernel Oct 22 04:33:21 depending on which it is Oct 22 04:33:32 gurugentoo: I've got the 2008.09 kernel on there now. Oct 22 04:33:50 That sounds like the most likely to match. Oct 22 04:34:13 So I don't need to reflash the kernel and I probably don't need this tar.gz file either. Oct 22 04:34:18 I believe that should work, Oct 22 04:34:20 yes Oct 22 04:34:26 Just do the dfu-util -a rootfs Oct 22 04:34:55 Great, thanks. I guess that means that FDOM didn't need to release any bug fixes to the kernel then. Just the programs in the rootfs. Oct 22 05:36:45 raster: where did you find your dictionary Oct 22 05:41:04 ro i created it with /usr/share/owrds/dict Oct 22 05:41:04 can anyone tell me what to pass to crossdev to build a compiler for distcc (gentoo)? Oct 22 05:41:12 and frequency information snarfed off the net Oct 22 05:41:14 and scripts Oct 22 05:47:04 would `crossdev -t armv4tl` be sufficient? Oct 22 05:50:41 okay, raster. was just wondering when i found words like cunt, bitch, fuck, ass, shit, and nigger in it Oct 22 05:52:21 rooly: do you always look for such words in dictionaries? :-) Oct 22 05:52:47 nah, but i was typing and out of the blue the word "dicks" popped up so i went to look and see what else i could find Oct 22 05:53:39 * rwhitby watches the new australian internet censorship police swoop down on raster ... Oct 22 06:01:38 rooly: i see no reason to censor it Oct 22 06:01:44 me either Oct 22 06:01:47 was just wondering Oct 22 06:01:48 its words that the standard linux dict has in it Oct 22 06:01:49 so.. why not Oct 22 06:01:50 :) Oct 22 06:02:03 i am pretty sure you'll be needing some of those from time to time when writign an sms Oct 22 06:02:13 just not used to phone dictionaries having those words built-in Oct 22 06:02:33 silly corporates and their moral police Oct 22 06:02:37 lol Oct 22 06:02:47 the dictionary has the word (eg oxford or websters) Oct 22 06:02:52 the worst i've ever seen a phone dictionary have is shit or bitch Oct 22 06:02:56 so why not an electronic typo-fixer dict too Oct 22 06:03:06 its not too rude to be in a real dict Oct 22 06:03:28 btw...do you think you could add some soft space around the outter letters? Oct 22 06:04:35 because it's real hard to type when your trying to hit those and missing because you went too far out Oct 22 06:05:02 just a suggestion Oct 22 06:05:03 anywho Oct 22 06:05:05 going play spring Oct 22 06:08:09 rooly: my nokias go a step beyond that. they seem to refuse to learn some words. Oct 22 06:08:37 haha, ouch Oct 22 06:09:22 ro what e/illume do you use?> Oct 22 06:09:33 i'm offered dual, duck, eval and dubl (for dublin) if i try to enter 'fuck' Oct 22 06:09:50 i fixed a bug where if u didnt hit a letter - it wouldnt register a hit at all Oct 22 06:09:56 (eg hit blank space around the edges) Oct 22 06:09:59 that was fixed ages ago Oct 22 06:10:24 cjb_ie: fuck! Oct 22 06:12:11 i'm reminded of apple's ipod engraving service refusing the name 'nigel' as being inappropriate Oct 22 06:14:24 damn nigels Oct 22 06:40:25 raster. what have you found easier: just restarting a word or trying to erase it each time you mess up while typing on the illume keyboard Oct 22 06:45:42 rooly: just restart Oct 22 07:05:36 ok, I answered my own question: `crossdev -t armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi` Oct 22 07:06:15 G'morning Oct 22 07:09:40 morning? Oct 22 07:12:59 good morning Oct 22 07:16:24 good morning Oct 22 07:17:03 mokomake (still building) :P Oct 22 07:17:23 think i started it around this morning Oct 22 07:17:42 Wed Oct 22 03:17:41 EDT 2008 Oct 22 07:18:11 woo hoo! Oct 22 07:18:13 guess what Oct 22 07:18:15 i'm older today Oct 22 07:18:17 horay for me! Oct 22 07:18:38 I'm in the process of building a crosscompiler toolchain for distcc hehe Oct 22 07:18:58 ah, just finished, cool Oct 22 07:21:07 wow...emerge takes a good bit longer on the phone Oct 22 07:21:15 this could be a while Oct 22 07:21:41 and that's just calculating dependencies Oct 22 07:24:37 gurugentoo: Cool stuff though :) Oct 22 07:27:21 imagine the neo with 12 megs of cache, a quad 3ghz cpu, and 64 gigs ddr3 Oct 22 07:30:26 now imagine fitting it in your pocket Oct 22 07:30:58 and it shutdowns after 2sec of call Oct 22 07:30:58 your pockets probably have more space than mine Oct 22 07:40:42 ColdFyre: what quad core supports 64GB of ram lol? Oct 22 07:42:35 intel 5400SF boards Oct 22 07:42:44 dual quadcore boards Oct 22 07:42:55 128 gig max i think Oct 22 07:43:14 wow Oct 22 07:43:30 we have those at my work Oct 22 07:43:38 i get to play with them daily Oct 22 07:43:42 those are server boards I'm assuming? Oct 22 07:43:57 http://www.intel.com/products/server/motherboards/s5400sf/s5400sf-overview.htm Oct 22 07:44:00 yes Oct 22 07:44:36 it's 64 gig max, i lied Oct 22 07:44:39 ok so you wouldn't typically have one on your desk Oct 22 07:44:47 those are nice Oct 22 07:45:10 i've never seen a regular geek with those Oct 22 07:45:58 my connection just went to hell, wtf Oct 22 07:45:59 get an IBM x3450 and you get one of those Oct 22 07:46:05 I hate this isp Oct 22 07:49:34 hmm distcc isn't distributing Oct 22 07:53:54 i was goint to put gentoo on my phone Oct 22 07:53:57 have not had the time Oct 22 07:54:11 what dialing program are you using? Oct 22 07:54:24 I haven't gotten that far yet Oct 22 07:54:38 what did you plan on using :p Oct 22 07:54:53 zhone from the fso stuff Oct 22 07:55:01 ah Oct 22 07:55:06 it works well in debian Oct 22 07:55:28 very responsive, but a bit simplistic Oct 22 07:56:51 I want to know why I'm still able to use irc but I can't ping google...it's like my isp is blocking dns right now Oct 22 07:57:19 there are some doing it Oct 22 07:57:48 can you give me a google ip to ping? Oct 22 07:58:19 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r2aceeef256fd 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (fso_actions.py leds_actions.py oevents.py trigger.py): Oct 22 07:58:19 freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Several actions can share the leds Oct 22 07:58:19 freesmartphone.org: This is a little bit experimental, Oct 22 07:58:19 freesmartphone.org: each led object keeps track of 'who' is using it and can then solve conflicts Oct 22 07:58:19 freesmartphone.org: (for example if one action turns a led off and an other one turns it on, the led will be on) Oct 22 07:58:24 freesmartphone.org: The drawback is that it only works with 'while' type rules. Oct 22 07:59:04 66.249.91.147 66.249.91.103 66.249.91.104 Oct 22 08:00:37 cjb_ie: thanks Oct 22 08:01:31 yep, I can ping those just fine Oct 22 08:34:35 Is it possible to use the 2007 multitap pad on 2008.8? Oct 22 08:35:06 Zero_Dogg: why not? Oct 22 08:35:56 lindi-: why not what? Oct 22 08:36:08 Zero_Dogg: why would it not be possible to use multitap-pad? Oct 22 08:37:31 lindi-: I just haven't seen any packages or anything for it, and it's not listed in the 'keyboard debate' wiki page under the various input options, so I assumed it would require a lot of hacking to get working Oct 22 08:37:58 Zero_Dogg: just package it? Oct 22 08:39:19 lindi-: heh, if it even compiles on 2008. Don't have that much time to mess around with it, and definetely don't have time to maintain it Oct 22 09:11:18 anyone with android on his FR yet? Oct 22 09:14:04 tomer_work: no. Please look at OM community list for more information. There's already a thread for this issue. Oct 22 09:15:50 but it would be worth asking in the android community Oct 22 09:16:22 As they need to port to the FR arm.. Oct 22 09:18:57 see the lists, there is already a port, patches are supposedly being pushed in Oct 22 09:28:10 it just works on gta02 Oct 22 09:28:27 mcneil says this Oct 22 09:28:45 and an image will be release "soon" Oct 22 09:30:26 'course, what applies for that too, and hopefully included in this "back to basics" thing openmoko needs to do is to get the fucking suspend operational Oct 22 09:31:46 i don't know Oct 22 09:31:51 however android is nice Oct 22 09:32:07 but i prefer the fso as framework Oct 22 09:32:45 because it don't has problem with suspend Oct 22 09:33:58 Hire: isn't it a kernel issue? Oct 22 09:34:20 well, I prefer debian as an os ('cause it doesn't make one jump through too many new hoops to compile and package for) and that has fso packaged, and it seems theoretically nice, if it wasn't insanely buggy. Anyway, kernel issues afaik with the suspend are still present, or I'm grossly misinformed Oct 22 09:34:53 mjr: insanley buggy? Oct 22 09:34:57 i'm bit worried that fso will overengineer things Oct 22 09:35:08 you talking the whole framework or just zhone or? Oct 22 09:35:23 me? Oct 22 09:35:30 lindi- : yes and no Oct 22 09:35:32 nah, sorry, mjr Oct 22 09:35:45 but with the fso i have a full suspend/resume without problem Oct 22 09:35:58 Hire: ms3? Oct 22 09:36:14 with the echo issue and re-register ( ti calypso bounce ) issue resolved Oct 22 09:36:19 so, without a problem Oct 22 09:36:29 toggles_w: no, a testing version Oct 22 09:36:34 toggles_w, well I don't know, whatever part cuts calls in the middle and doesn't properly receive text messages, probably at least partly zhone. Oct 22 09:36:38 Hire: thanks Oct 22 09:37:19 mjr: k, i have those issues too with ms3, i still think fso is pretty good for where it's at Oct 22 09:38:07 mjr: i often see that i need to restart zhone to see the messages Oct 22 09:39:39 lindi-, yes, it seems that way Oct 22 09:39:52 (I just rebooted, but meh) Oct 22 09:40:14 anyway, since getting calls interrupted midcall for no good reason is ... kind of a killer Oct 22 09:40:24 I switched back to 2007.2. Again. Oct 22 09:41:05 if only saunalahti sent the second sim card already i could do more extensive experimenting Oct 22 09:41:58 moin Oct 22 09:57:06 so, is everybody pumped about the android news? Oct 22 09:57:29 no Oct 22 09:57:42 what?!!? Oct 22 09:57:48 why not? Oct 22 09:58:01 don't know? Oct 22 09:58:15 z3cka: pumped? Oct 22 09:58:36 not really Oct 22 09:58:41 why should we be? Oct 22 09:58:55 i love using my Neo Freerunner with the FDOM but can't wait to get something that works better Oct 22 09:59:17 lindi: pumped = excited Oct 22 09:59:43 z3cka: i haven't seen FDOM source code, can't be excited about that Oct 22 10:00:29 me either... i just use the images Oct 22 10:00:31 is there a real alternative to qtopia 4.3 ? om2008.9/10 is not really usable for every day and qtextended seems full of bug Oct 22 10:00:32 z3cka: ah, you mean excited, sorry then i missunderstand you Oct 22 10:00:36 'course, this means that maybe some android devices will be actually open Oct 22 10:01:08 this doesn't mean that the fr immediately runs well with it because of low-level problems Oct 22 10:01:12 ulf: no worries... i'm excited Oct 22 10:01:18 well fso will be good in a few months, for a phone stick with qtopia or 2008.9 Oct 22 10:01:38 mjr: true Oct 22 10:02:06 you run fso with or without debian? Oct 22 10:02:38 i find fso to be clunky at the moment, i like the Fat and Dirty release of the 2008.9 Oct 22 10:02:51 ulf: yes Oct 22 10:02:53 Qtextended 4.4.2 is ok Oct 22 10:03:11 4.4.2 has alot of small issues Oct 22 10:03:22 it does Oct 22 10:03:28 but mostly works Oct 22 10:03:41 * Tm_T is waiting 4.5 release Oct 22 10:04:04 so I will put Plasma to my phone Oct 22 10:04:16 with FDOM i have successfully used the phone (although volume management is a pain), SMS text messaging, wifi with DHCP from GUI, and GPS with tangoGPS Oct 22 10:04:44 z3cka: i think you can do that with the proprietary stuff too :) Oct 22 10:05:12 lindi: 2008.8 ? Oct 22 10:05:13 so does fdom actually work as a phone, like, at least as well as 2007.2? Oct 22 10:05:42 i skipped the 2007.x releases Oct 22 10:05:54 so i don't know Oct 22 10:06:02 'cause I suppose I could succumb to that, fso/zhone being too shitty still Oct 22 10:06:26 zhone is funky Oct 22 10:07:30 crap... 3am... must go to sleep. bye yall... happy openMoko + Android day! Oct 22 10:07:41 z3cka, does it routinely lose calls and messages, cut calls, refuse to make calls or messages or that shit? Oct 22 10:08:13 calls it works prettyt well Oct 22 10:08:19 *pretty Oct 22 10:08:48 SMS client "Messages" stops responding after a while Oct 22 10:09:16 the problem with the phone functionality is the volume Oct 22 10:10:04 have to install a python volume manager script that works OK but not without bugs Oct 22 10:10:24 quality is good though Oct 22 10:11:17 haven't dropped a call yet... but haven't made many calls either Oct 22 10:11:52 it was kind of weird to try to switch over to a call waiting... but i suspect user error Oct 22 10:12:05 okay got to go... peace Oct 22 10:18:56 Tm_T: What have you heard about the future QT releases? anything soild or a time frame? Oct 22 10:19:00 or just the future.. Oct 22 10:19:36 That's a good question... But surely that would be better aimed at Apple? ;) Oct 22 10:28:30 is there anyone who is able to suspend resume in qt extended, withouth corrupting the SD? Oct 22 10:28:50 i dualboot with FDOM, but when qtext has suspended once my FDOM doesn't boot anymore Oct 22 10:28:57 lpotter? Oct 22 10:29:12 mine's not borken at all for a long time now Oct 22 10:29:22 roughly coenciding with installing mwester's kernel ;) Oct 22 10:29:38 and you dualboot sometimes and let qtopia suspend? Oct 22 10:29:53 (i am not using the newest mwester kernel) Oct 22 10:30:13 i don't dualboot, but i've got an 8 gig card, with qt extended on the main flash, and it's not died since i switched to using that Oct 22 10:31:02 yeah but the problem only appears when i'm dualbooting Oct 22 10:31:15 strangely when i just "use" the sD card i have no problem Oct 22 10:31:15 Right Oct 22 10:31:24 dunno, i'm afraid :) Oct 22 10:31:38 thanks anyway Oct 22 10:31:51 too bad it's still this way.. Oct 22 10:32:05 it would be great to have qtopia for a phone and FDOM or something similar as a PDA Oct 22 10:32:13 (would be even greater to have it all in one.....) Oct 22 10:33:50 Have you got qtopia on the phone or on the sd? Oct 22 10:34:02 (the only right answer is the first one, as the second isn't supposed to work ;) ) Oct 22 10:37:36 qtopia on the phone Oct 22 10:37:52 i put the other distro on the SD Oct 22 10:38:01 but after a suspendr-resume, booting no longer works Oct 22 10:38:32 So, I wanted to say that if you wanted to popularize the OpenMoko, you ought to make Debian-ARM the default installation. Oct 22 10:38:42 And make the work done so far on the current state of things a package in the repo. Oct 22 10:38:46 (I have 4 partitions on it, first one is FAT32 of 8MB for my kernel, the others are 1GB, 1GB and 4GB in ext2) Oct 22 10:50:28 Zorkman: boot no longer works means your sd isn't fit for boot anymore? Oct 22 10:51:14 probably that's the mbr-killer bug then Oct 22 11:14:05 hi all Oct 22 11:14:18 surely all of you already know, but Oct 22 11:14:28 it's out there http://source.android.com/ Oct 22 11:14:30 mwester sighs... Oct 22 11:16:38 mmaestri: yep, we know :) Oct 22 11:16:58 <||Leto||> is there a gui for wlan? one that actually works? :-D Oct 22 11:17:05 <||Leto||> for 2008.9 that is Oct 22 11:17:36 mofi-wifi is okay Oct 22 11:32:52 rhkfin: there's some reaction about it? Oct 22 11:33:45 mmaestri: 'let's wait what happens' and some are working on the version for openmoko. Oct 22 11:35:51 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r4b3c06b9c8a8 10/packages/netbase/ (3 files in 3 dirs): netbase: set the default nameserver to OpenDNS for om-gta0? Oct 22 11:40:02 mmaestri: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-October/005966.html Oct 22 11:41:23 Kensan_: i was just reading that :p Oct 22 11:44:49 http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=651337 <-- COME TO AUSTRALIA Oct 22 11:44:59 Android is great news! Oct 22 11:45:16 plus the complete refactoring of the OM/OE gits is great news too Oct 22 13:23:21 anyone running rasters image Oct 22 13:27:23 jones: I am using it as a base for boottime optimisation stuff. Oct 22 13:28:06 just wondering what people are using for the dialer and other basic stuff Oct 22 13:29:32 jones: you can install all the fso daemons apps etc since it's basically just oe with rasters recipes and a couple patches. Oct 22 13:30:17 Kensan :) Oct 22 13:30:20 so there isnt any of the dialer and sms stuff written with e? Oct 22 13:30:42 jones: not yet, raster is going to write it eventually Oct 22 13:30:51 Hey Bob Oct 22 13:31:17 is everything being left to him? Oct 22 13:32:38 jones: well he's being payed to work on that by swisscom I believe Oct 22 13:32:49 ah okay Oct 22 13:32:57 jones: openmoko was working on some other dialer I believe Oct 22 13:33:08 i didnt really get the linked site, swiss com seemed to be a censorship site Oct 22 13:33:58 i might start playing with it, i like the idea of developing the same app and it running everywhere Oct 22 13:34:02 jones: I think raster's plan is just to get the real basics in place, window manager, SMS, dialer and contacts Oct 22 13:34:23 thats all i really need Oct 22 13:34:30 jones: http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/TMP/st/ <-- his work in progress Oct 22 13:34:33 yeah Oct 22 13:34:37 thats all i have right now with 2008.9 Oct 22 13:35:03 ill check that out when i get home Oct 22 13:35:25 I think only the alarm app actually does much Oct 22 13:35:37 the others are not really started yet Oct 22 13:35:50 that would be good, the one in 2008.9 does off at random times Oct 22 13:36:07 this one wont wake form suspend Oct 22 13:36:08 then again Oct 22 13:36:16 the kernel doesn tseem to wake from suspend anyway Oct 22 13:36:16 :) Oct 22 13:36:21 in theory it should Oct 22 13:36:21 heh Oct 22 13:36:24 but it doesnt Oct 22 13:36:32 is wireless still flaky Oct 22 13:36:32 i need to look into that Oct 22 13:36:39 but i'bve been busy with other things Oct 22 13:45:14 upgraded fdom to yesterdays an suspend worked over noght yay Oct 22 13:45:30 night* Oct 22 13:49:43 i'm try to update kernel of my gta01 from testing tree of the repository.. but i have this error: Oct 22 13:49:49 Package kernel md5sum mismatch. Oct 22 13:49:59 is a my error or it is normal? Oct 22 13:55:57 might need to do an md5sum manually? Oct 22 14:06:14 what's happn' slaxin' Oct 22 14:06:49 Android patches, patched kernel+modules available at http://forum.koolu.org Oct 22 14:07:36 err, that's Android kernel patches to be specific. Oct 22 14:08:31 It's about time :p Oct 22 14:09:01 Dave: I know. You figure I'd be able to get the DNS settings correct the first time. Embarrassing. Oct 22 14:09:09 heehee Oct 22 14:09:49 Dave: Don't suppose you've got that insta-FR-flash thing working? Oct 22 14:10:09 bricode Oct 22 14:10:14 what, for mass flashing? Oct 22 14:10:24 Dave: Yeah. Oct 22 14:10:40 it was just a hack Oct 22 14:10:57 plus dfu-util always pissed me off a bit Oct 22 14:11:06 Dave: No kidding. Oct 22 14:11:10 If it were wrapped nicely, it might work more majesticly :P Oct 22 14:11:20 do you have applied the patchs of harald welte? Oct 22 14:11:36 Hire, is that you? Oct 22 14:11:51 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356861 Oct 22 14:11:57 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356662 Oct 22 14:12:00 those Oct 22 14:12:05 is planned for some future model of the freerunner series some more hardbuttons? Oct 22 14:12:24 oh great, it's nicfer again. Oct 22 14:12:36 :P Oct 22 14:12:47 Hire1: Not with the kernel I posted, but could update it provided they're in the git. Oct 22 14:13:23 maybe three below the screen and two more at the side Oct 22 14:13:47 it will be nice becose those patches makes the fr 42% faster Oct 22 14:13:48 THEYRE IN UR GIT, UPDATIN UR KERNELZ!!!111 Oct 22 14:14:03 Hire, I find figures like that highly dubious. Oct 22 14:14:16 uff Oct 22 14:14:34 Just last night we were discussing this with respect to some patches with supposedly made it boot faster.. Oct 22 14:14:37 I'm trying to remember I've seen anything move 42% faster. Oct 22 14:14:42 which turned out to be mostly hocus pocus. Oct 22 14:14:55 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1356663 Oct 22 14:14:58 bricode, if? yeah, probably not :) Oct 22 14:15:25 well Oct 22 14:16:04 yeah, it's only on reading Oct 22 14:16:10 but when i tested it woo Oct 22 14:16:11 Don't worry Hire, we still like you :p Oct 22 14:16:32 Okay, I'll have to say that makes a whole pile of sense. Oct 22 14:16:38 yes :D Oct 22 14:16:50 however dave is a liar, he hates me :o Oct 22 14:16:57 What!? Oct 22 14:17:04 Who told you!? Oct 22 14:17:09 raster Oct 22 14:17:15 oh, heh :p Oct 22 14:17:16 and, yes, raster hates me too Oct 22 14:17:17 that bastard! Oct 22 14:17:47 yes he is cruel :\ Oct 22 14:17:47 haha, we might just have to have some 'gang' wars, after all ;) Oct 22 14:17:57 it's a catfight Oct 22 14:17:57 Dave: S'ok. Raster doesn't like me either (or at least the company I work for). Oct 22 14:18:08 Several of us don't :D Oct 22 14:18:16 But it's not bad :) Oct 22 14:18:28 Dave: Fair enough. Oct 22 14:18:31 koolu's forums hates me Oct 22 14:18:31 Brinky: skynet? Oct 22 14:18:34 So you've made a couple of errors, it's not the end of the world. Oct 22 14:18:49 i don't get the activation Oct 22 14:19:03 bricode: the nand speedup patches do speedup nand as advertised. Would be well worth putting them in. Oct 22 14:19:18 Plus everytime I hear Koolu, I think, wtf, Cthulhu ... freerunners ... WHAT!? Oct 22 14:19:19 Dave: yeah, I am all about hocus pocus ;) Oct 22 14:19:25 Kensan! Oct 22 14:19:30 Dave: easy on the pills mate ;) Oct 22 14:19:36 fucking magical motherfucker! Oct 22 14:19:41 gimme some :p Oct 22 14:19:47 Kensan_: Yeah, I had to actually read the patch for it to make sense. Oct 22 14:20:01 * Kensan_ summons wand Oct 22 14:20:14 bricode: the comment by Andy is rather funny Oct 22 14:20:26 argh Oct 22 14:20:28 Kensan_: About Android? Oct 22 14:20:39 give me a flashable image of android Oct 22 14:21:08 Who is flashing who now? Oct 22 14:21:28 bricode: no about harald's nand patches: "Wow... the 98% sounds good already but on a benefit-per-line-of-patch Oct 22 14:21:28 basis it's probably a record." Oct 22 14:21:58 That's pretty awesome. Oct 22 14:22:21 Kensan_: where's the patch? Oct 22 14:22:58 ehi, i'm not a liar Oct 22 14:23:16 :p Oct 22 14:23:41 What do I have to do with 2008 to get my number show up on receivers end? Oct 22 14:23:49 Are people starting to just give up on OM now? :| Oct 22 14:24:15 Speaking for myself, kindof, yeah. Oct 22 14:24:29 I'm hoping to get Gentoo running on my Freerunner. Oct 22 14:24:43 There are a few others working on it too. Oct 22 14:25:08 bricode Oct 22 14:25:14 i don't get activation link Oct 22 14:25:27 Hire1: Humm...okay. Give me a second. Oct 22 14:25:35 gargoyle-grin: what do you do with gentoo once it's on there? Oct 22 14:25:36 ACTIVATE! Oct 22 14:25:41 toggles :p Oct 22 14:25:49 * Hire1 is now active Oct 22 14:25:52 :I Oct 22 14:25:58 i see some sweet arm4 emerges Oct 22 14:26:00 compete against other freerunners in a streetrace like manner? Oct 22 14:26:10 Dave: @! Oct 22 14:26:14 terve Oct 22 14:27:09 hmm, I was very lonely in the other channels Oct 22 14:27:10 toggles_w: Nothing yet. I don't have it working yet. (I just heard that there were others working on it yesterday.) Oct 22 14:27:10 I plan to use it for standard phone functions, web browsing, games, SMS, etc. You know. General smartphone stuff. Oct 22 14:27:28 am I the only one here that have setup stuff at gravatar.com? Oct 22 14:27:36 oh, not a distcc server tehn? ;-) Oct 22 14:27:52 * Dave rolls his eyes at mwester Oct 22 14:28:18 * toggles_w thinks about mentioning android again to see a response Oct 22 14:28:24 Lol. Nope. I plan to do all my compiling/emerging on my laptop or main box. I may set up a distcc farm eventually, but no plans as of yet. Oct 22 14:28:30 * Dave readies his stabbity-stabby knife of stabbing Oct 22 14:28:48 * Dave eyes toggles ¬_¬ Oct 22 14:28:51 Android looks interesting. Is it true that Android is entirely open source? Oct 22 14:29:01 Gargoyle - hardly. Oct 22 14:29:13 Hmm. Oh well. Oct 22 14:29:24 Hire1: I've activated your account (as well as the others). Looks like e-mail isn't sending from the server. Have to fix that. Oct 22 14:29:46 Brian, don't mess that up as well ;) Oct 22 14:30:01 sorry no email :( Oct 22 14:30:13 ~_~ Oct 22 14:30:14 STOP DOING THAT! Oct 22 14:30:14 You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum. Oct 22 14:30:21 Man, am I glad I haven't gone to koolu Oct 22 14:30:35 i can't read the forummm Oct 22 14:30:40 hah Oct 22 14:30:54 I guess he doesn't want his epithets expressed on google :p Oct 22 14:31:09 mv /dev/uselesshuman/hire > /dev/null Oct 22 14:31:17 :o Oct 22 14:32:32 hi all, i try to build some stuff with the toolchain, but keep hitting the same error in several sources: /usr/local/openmoko/arm/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' is serial 47, less than 52 in `aclocal.m4' Oct 22 14:32:41 o.O Oct 22 14:32:58 any idea on how to fix this? the configure phase crashes a few minutes later Oct 22 14:33:04 <(^_^)> Oct 22 14:33:16 * gargoyle-grin is banned forever. Oct 22 14:33:18 lol Oct 22 14:33:19 *sniff* Oct 22 14:33:20 * Dave pets gargoyle-grin Oct 22 14:33:44 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r312c346911ac 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/rtc/Makefile.am: Add missing Makefile.am. Thanks cbrake Oct 22 14:35:49 Hire1: Working on it. Oct 22 14:35:58 Hire :\ Oct 22 14:36:53 So, is anybody else making progress? Oct 22 14:37:47 * toggles_w just progressed to level 11 in portal: prelude Oct 22 14:38:44 * Hire1 is studying how become an system admin Oct 22 14:38:44 o.O Oct 22 14:38:46 a system Oct 22 14:39:52 you're studying to become a system? Oct 22 14:40:11 Hire1: Should be happy now for forum reading/posting. Oct 22 14:40:19 Hire1: Still need to change mailings. Oct 22 14:40:33 (16:39:52) Dave: you're studying to become a system? <--- :| Oct 22 14:40:37 admin system, sorry :| Oct 22 14:40:41 Being a systems admin isn't my strong point. Oct 22 14:40:44 I'll be happy when suspend/resume is implemented in hardware. Oct 22 14:40:54 brian, no kidding :D Oct 22 14:41:01 You need a slavemonkey :p Oct 22 14:41:44 Dave: I'd much rather be looking at suspend/resume, trust me. Oct 22 14:41:53 woo hoo! Oct 22 14:41:55 Haha, really? Oct 22 14:41:57 i'm officially 20 now Oct 22 14:42:02 Oh now, it's unrooly. Oct 22 14:42:53 what type of touchscreen has the freerunner? Oct 22 14:43:33 nicfer: No multi-touch, unfortunately Oct 22 14:43:35 nicfer - stop touching your screen! Oct 22 14:43:36 :p Oct 22 14:43:55 I think the details can be found in the wiki Oct 22 14:44:00 retracile :o Oct 22 14:44:02 Resistive or something Oct 22 14:44:10 Dave! Oct 22 14:44:33 :) Oct 22 14:44:55 althrough I think that Apple was planning on patenting multi-touch Oct 22 14:45:07 those trolls.... Oct 22 14:45:42 nicfer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TPO_TD028TTEC1 Oct 22 14:46:14 they hardly can Oct 22 14:46:23 fucking just throw a synaptics underneath :p Oct 22 14:46:32 or alps Oct 22 14:46:34 hahaha Oct 22 14:46:45 man that'd be hot Oct 22 14:46:52 NEEDZ MOAR NANOTUBEZ Oct 22 14:48:03 Damaestro. Oct 22 14:48:19 Dave! Oct 22 14:48:28 Yes, It is I! Oct 22 14:48:35 Dave, how goes it? Oct 22 14:48:43 Dave, ok -man Oct 22 14:48:47 hmm 'man Oct 22 14:52:04 heh Oct 22 14:52:18 Fear not, friend, he shall return soon enough. Oct 22 14:52:25 AND ALL SHALL BE APRISED. Oct 22 15:04:23 does anyone know why the x11-16 engine of e17 is working on rastermans latest image but not on FSO or Om2008.x ? Oct 22 15:04:43 nicfer: CM_work: its resistive 4wire type Oct 22 15:05:04 hard to do decent multitouch Oct 22 15:05:56 so you *can* get a little more out of it than just X Y, with tricky driver Oct 22 15:06:01 DocScrutinizer2: can we do indecent multitouch then? Oct 22 15:06:32 yes Oct 22 15:06:36 might be possible, yeah Oct 22 15:06:48 you can basically interpret a fast change in position as a second touch and extrapolate the position Oct 22 15:06:55 that's indecent Oct 22 15:07:02 mjr Oct 22 15:07:10 nope thats crap Oct 22 15:07:27 I thought indecent was crap Oct 22 15:07:31 my bad Oct 22 15:07:31 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rfa30efb26cb5 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/idlenotifier/idlenotifier-helpers.h: Add another missing file. Thanks to cbrake Oct 22 15:07:46 Joerg! Oct 22 15:08:01 4wire may deliver xxmin xmax ymin ymax of any multitouch Oct 22 15:08:04 Needs more gyros! Oct 22 15:08:15 'kay Oct 22 15:08:20 so you can do a bit smarter then Oct 22 15:08:35 yup Oct 22 15:09:07 so yeah, I might characterize the mentioned method as crap, and save indecent for the smarter one Oct 22 15:09:14 still can't multi-drag nicely or anything Oct 22 15:09:38 correct Oct 22 15:13:09 Doc, my touchpad works just fine. Oct 22 15:13:17 classic synaptics ftw? Oct 22 15:19:20 sigh Oct 22 15:19:32 i'm downloading the source of android Oct 22 15:19:37 but i'm so tired :\ Oct 22 15:21:57 emerge world? Oct 22 15:22:46 make Oct 22 15:23:02 i'm too lazy for gentoo Oct 22 15:24:28 Hire1: go to bed, you will see a lot of this: Oct 22 15:24:29 tommy@perigee /hacking/droid $ repo sync Oct 22 15:24:30 git.webkit.org[0: 74.86.47.130]: errno=Connection refused Oct 22 15:24:45 you cannot have my webkitz! Oct 22 15:26:39 nono Oct 22 15:26:41 i get the source Oct 22 15:26:53 but ehi, i get an errore when i compile it :\ Oct 22 15:27:09 host C: acp <= build/tools/acp/acp.c Oct 22 15:27:09 In file included from /usr/include/features.h:354, Oct 22 15:27:09 from /usr/include/stdlib.h:25, Oct 22 15:27:09 from build/tools/acp/acp.c:11: Oct 22 15:27:09 /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: Nessun file o directory Oct 22 15:27:10 make: *** [out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/acp_intermediates/acp.o] Error 1 Oct 22 15:27:31 ERROR ERROR Oct 22 15:27:38 ( yes yes, i know pastebin ) Oct 22 15:27:50 Omnomnom, localized error messages make everybody's lives so much easier ;) Oct 22 15:27:59 indeedio Oct 22 15:36:46 DocScrutinizer2: no when i repopulate the sd card everything works again Oct 22 15:37:14 hmm Oct 22 15:37:18 Tm_T, indeedio? Oct 22 15:37:20 :p Oct 22 15:37:48 /msg NickServ identify none Oct 22 15:38:03 FAIL Oct 22 15:38:08 yeh. Oct 22 15:38:17 I have no idea what pw I set. Oct 22 15:38:24 no logs? Oct 22 15:38:29 Wonka! Oct 22 15:38:39 Aha! Fonund it Oct 22 15:38:44 I destroyed the evidence! Oct 22 15:40:38 * Hire1 fixes the issue Oct 22 15:40:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0b3043bb1e10 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: honor boolean type (thanks Frederik Sdun) Oct 22 15:41:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * re2698d54e2be 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: honor boolean type (thanks Frederik Sdun) Oct 22 15:44:23 How can I set a new password w nickserv? Oct 22 15:46:12 make it your bitch? Oct 22 15:46:21 Soulnoob: set password Oct 22 15:48:47 ah, thanks. I was trying the SETPASS command. Oct 22 15:50:45 hmmm, would be pretty hard to keep an 620Mhz ARM processor at stable temperature right? Oct 22 15:51:10 nicfer: how stable? why? Oct 22 15:51:49 compared to, say, a Pentium 4: absolutely. ARMs run very cool indeed Oct 22 15:53:05 hey wiess Oct 22 15:53:16 I mean, would it require some additional type of cooling in comparison with the actual freerunner's 400mhz one Oct 22 15:53:29 freerunner gets unnecessarily hot Oct 22 15:55:32 hmm, i wonder if there are any temperature sensors in the FR's SoC Oct 22 15:56:01 i use the one in battery Oct 22 15:56:28 but the battery has all kinds of chemistry going on inside it, making it hot Oct 22 15:56:46 i'm pretty sure the only warmth i ever felt from my FR was the battery, not the PCB (but i wouldn't really be able to tell) Oct 22 15:57:20 3G phones get really hot when running HSDPA Oct 22 15:57:34 Im betting its the 1A they pull from the battery for short periods Oct 22 16:01:15 Xora! Oct 22 16:02:16 fucking 3g Oct 22 16:02:32 Get ready for 0G baby! Oct 22 16:02:38 * Dave launches his freerunner into orbit Oct 22 16:02:54 * XorA is the real 3G anyway Oct 22 16:03:51 surely Oct 22 16:04:06 ehi Oct 22 16:04:12 because i'm so lazy Oct 22 16:04:30 someone can build a nice image of android for the fr? Oct 22 16:04:35 as dave Oct 22 16:04:41 you have some spare time Oct 22 16:04:44 i did it Oct 22 16:04:44 * Dave runs Oct 22 16:04:47 make me happy ;D Oct 22 16:04:48 but threw it away Oct 22 16:04:58 :P Oct 22 16:05:03 you hate me Oct 22 16:05:06 ask mwester Oct 22 16:05:19 it's a tarp Oct 22 16:05:23 hire, it's not our fault you just keep giving us more and more reasons to :) Oct 22 16:05:23 FR with a working distro... it just felt....wrong... Oct 22 16:05:41 that implies android would work... Oct 22 16:05:42 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/elf_of_doriath9/non-icon%20randomness/its_a_tarp.gif Oct 22 16:05:49 it's funny how we have some bipartisanship in here Oct 22 16:05:58 hi tnb Oct 22 16:05:58 i want to try it :o Oct 22 16:06:03 though the sides are more like: realists vs fantasies Oct 22 16:06:30 * Hire1 exit from the window Oct 22 16:06:35 Dave: and then there's mwester ;) Oct 22 16:06:43 hi pb__, long time since I've been on Oct 22 16:06:48 * Hire1 invokes mwester Oct 22 16:06:50 Dave: he's like the ralph nader of this channel. Oct 22 16:06:57 Dave: crashing the party Oct 22 16:07:03 i want try this new toy :\ Oct 22 16:07:26 can i be the om's mascot? Oct 22 16:08:20 wow, xiangfu wrote something we can read! Oct 22 16:08:25 i like the man :) Oct 22 16:08:32 Dave: what's up with mwester? even insulting him and talking about Android does not summon him... Oct 22 16:09:24 maybe his nervesystem is no longer connected with the internets.... Oct 22 16:09:47 hahaha Oct 22 16:09:50 geeze Oct 22 16:47:14 leinir Oct 22 16:47:25 I see you there! >:) Oct 22 16:47:38 Aren't you forgetting something? ;) Oct 22 17:03:23 what is the best kernel for qt extended? Oct 22 17:03:32 the mwester kernel? (where can i find it?) Oct 22 17:04:18 http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels ? Oct 22 17:04:20 http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=91 this one the most recent? Oct 22 17:05:17 thx Oct 22 17:05:31 I can only hope it's what you wanted :) Oct 22 17:05:40 or that it alleviates some of your issues :p Oct 22 17:06:01 yes and probably not :) Oct 22 17:06:28 Dave: did you see what he has here http://android..mwester.net/ Oct 22 17:07:15 What? Oct 22 17:07:27 it might be the first image! Oct 22 17:07:35 I like the new doggy picture. Oct 22 17:07:43 ;-) Oct 22 17:09:54 Man, reading that makes me glad my allegiances aren't open in the open here :) Oct 22 17:10:10 out in the open, rather Oct 22 17:10:21 Dave: yuo still in the closet? Oct 22 17:10:28 sssh Oct 22 17:11:24 Dave: it's ok, you can tell us you use vista Oct 22 17:11:38 lol Oct 22 17:13:37 i'm booted into windows right now, sue me for i am the antichrist Oct 22 17:13:43 (and my gf doesn't like linux :)) Oct 22 17:14:11 what software feed's can i use if i have installed qtextended 4.4.1? Oct 22 17:14:53 hahahah Oct 22 17:15:16 the standard feeds are pointed to buildhost, which isn't online.. but can i use the om2008.8 feeds for my qtopia? Oct 22 17:17:29 :o Oct 22 17:17:32 hoenoes Oct 22 17:20:43 where can i find the "stable branch of the Openmoko git tree"? Oct 22 17:21:09 hehe "stable" hehe) Oct 22 17:21:35 haha Oct 22 17:24:33 I think you should wait at least half year. Oct 22 17:26:17 no way, by stable i mean something that my gf can't call me on when im in the pub, moko works for me! Oct 22 17:26:43 :P Oct 22 17:26:44 well, the goal is to try and flash my neo fr with the new android kernel that was released today at http://forum.koolu.org Oct 22 17:27:07 toggles: nice. Oct 22 17:27:49 currently running FDOM and it is not terrible... just want to try android Oct 22 17:28:11 is it just the kernel? or is the stack there too? Oct 22 17:29:00 no sure... the post is kinda vague and me being kinda noobish doesn't help Oct 22 17:29:56 hmm... Oct 22 17:30:12 i can handle flashing images and stuff, but when it asks for git and patches... i don't quite know what i'm doing Oct 22 17:30:21 z3ck1: http://git.openmoko.org/ Oct 22 17:30:24 at least i don't have to compile it Oct 22 17:30:32 probably patches against the kernel? Oct 22 17:30:56 toggles_w: thanks i will learn up on that a bit Oct 22 17:31:11 talk to Hire1 if you see him Oct 22 17:31:28 okay Oct 22 17:31:39 or mwester Oct 22 17:32:03 are you interested in seeing android on the fr? Oct 22 17:32:40 or, how about OpenMoko on the G1? Oct 22 17:32:59 toggles_w: Currently it's just the kernel. Filesystem stack is in the works. Oct 22 17:33:13 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r4a0f6f285cfe 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Fix wrong DBus interface names Oct 22 17:33:27 bricode: k, makes sense with git and patches.. Oct 22 17:33:44 bricode: good luck Oct 22 17:33:53 ezekiel-v3: ha, that would go over well... Oct 22 17:34:12 z3ck1: Saw your post and will respond to it. That kernel won't help you much more than the regular OM kernel at the moment, as only Android only uses the patches added to it. Oct 22 17:35:38 bricode: Great! would love to give any feedback. keep up the good work. you guys a re awesome Oct 22 17:36:18 yeah, i am z3cka as well... i left my other IRC running at home Oct 22 17:38:19 * z3cka_at_work quickly alt-tabs while boss walks by... Oct 22 17:49:20 Any arm assembly experts out there? Oct 22 17:49:28 bricode__: better just ask Oct 22 17:49:57 Okay. What's the armv4 equivalent of the clz instruction? Oct 22 17:52:05 fuck Oct 22 17:52:11 Bob, you around? Oct 22 17:52:17 I messed up the kernel Oct 22 17:53:40 bricode__: did you read the specs for it? Oct 22 17:53:57 lindi-: Trying to find a good spec on it. Oct 22 17:54:17 bricode__: there is on only one official Oct 22 17:54:27 lindi-: nm, I found it. Oct 22 17:54:55 bricode__: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/14128.pdf Oct 22 17:55:08 bricode__: are you writing something in assembler? Oct 22 17:55:27 lindi-: Yep. Have to replace some ARMv5 specific code. Oct 22 17:55:49 bricode__: in what app? Oct 22 17:56:08 Space Invaders! Oct 22 17:56:19 :) Oct 22 17:57:34 lindi-: opencore/codecs_v2/audio/aac/dec/src Oct 22 17:57:39 lindi-: Android. Oct 22 17:58:17 bricode__: just relpace it noops Oct 22 17:58:33 then it won't work :) Oct 22 17:58:49 I'm sure that would cause havoc to the audio/video decode. Oct 22 17:58:51 noone will complain if you can't hear, you can't now so you'll just replace the same funcionality Oct 22 18:03:57 is android offlimits here, or can I talk (I guess more like ask) about it in comparison to openmoko Oct 22 18:04:18 Speak, noone's been chasticed for it yet :) Oct 22 18:04:47 I'm an existing tmo customer with a sidekick which I like but I could stand faster data and/or a more open phone (don't like being tied down) Oct 22 18:06:41 as a tmo customer I can get a g1 for 180, and as they say in the south, "hot diggity damn that's a good deal" Oct 22 18:07:55 * Dave prods leinir Oct 22 18:08:12 * leinir meeps! Oct 22 18:08:16 * leinir also goes to make dinner ;) Oct 22 18:08:17 having 3g is pretty attractive, and now android is open source... Oct 22 18:08:38 I guess the question is, what is the moko going to provide over the g1 Oct 22 18:08:58 open /hardware/ as well as software :) Oct 22 18:10:26 bricode:"The Count Leading Zeros (CLZ) instruction determines the number of zero bits at the most Oct 22 18:10:26 significant end of a register value, up to the first 1 bit. This number is written to the destination Oct 22 18:10:26 register of the CLZ instruction." Oct 22 18:11:04 jancon1: Thanks. Found some info on it. Oct 22 18:11:16 for a reasonably-educated end user / borderline developer (but overall not very good at developing) will open hardware really benefit me Oct 22 18:12:01 tgz: g1? Oct 22 18:12:26 lindi-: tmobile google android phone Oct 22 18:15:49 bricode: I found doc at:http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/9658.pdf Oct 22 18:16:12 anyone else think that OM should put in a scroll wheel/ball ? Oct 22 18:16:51 browsing web pages with the slider bar is a pita Oct 22 18:17:41 actually, has anyone implemented slide-scrolling in the driver like the menus work? Oct 22 18:19:18 tgz: can jit charge from usb and act as usb host? Oct 22 18:21:00 er, I don't own one Oct 22 18:21:02 so I have no idea Oct 22 18:21:54 I'm just trying to figure out my upgrade path =\ Oct 22 18:37:05 <||Leto||> gurugentoo: have a look at minimo Oct 22 18:37:13 <||Leto||> i find browsing with it quite comfy Oct 22 18:37:50 ahh, better Oct 22 18:44:34 is tethering working on openmoko? Oct 22 18:45:57 yes Oct 22 18:46:12 at least, I've done it with qtopia and with debian, I'm not sure about om Oct 22 19:03:02 ||Leto||: what do you use to scoll on a web page? Oct 22 19:03:08 can you use a finger? Oct 22 19:03:42 gurugentoo: you can, but with the size of the fr's screen that's impractical Oct 22 19:06:22 tomboy64: so...you use a stylus with the scroll bar on the side? Oct 22 19:06:39 no Oct 22 19:06:45 i move the screen itself Oct 22 19:07:24 tomboy64: accellerometers? Oct 22 19:07:29 err Oct 22 19:07:31 no Oct 22 19:07:35 uhm Oct 22 19:07:47 i tip the website and drag it Oct 22 19:07:52 much like the menus Oct 22 19:08:10 ah ok that's what I meant by finger scrolling Oct 22 19:08:15 cool Oct 22 19:08:16 oh Oct 22 19:08:34 well, you have to hit a button first, that's far too smal for being hit with your finger :-D Oct 22 19:08:56 strange Oct 22 19:09:22 as long as it stays in scroll mode until you hit it again Oct 22 19:09:36 what? Oct 22 19:10:02 tomboy64: I'll try it and see what you mean Oct 22 19:10:12 ah, ok Oct 22 19:10:18 yes, it stays that way Oct 22 19:10:46 ok Oct 22 19:11:11 but i can definitely recommend raster's keyboard and the qwerty-button on top Oct 22 19:11:45 ya...I'll have to figure out how to get that working in gentoo Oct 22 19:12:08 I'm not a fan of the current OM2008.* Oct 22 19:12:09 :-D Oct 22 19:12:14 me not either Oct 22 19:12:26 but it's going to get fine after some tweaking Oct 22 19:12:29 rather lots ... Oct 22 19:28:33 Hey, can I get the modem inside the FR in a different formfactor, or exposed serial pinouts? Oct 22 19:38:47 check the wiki for the debug board specs Oct 22 19:46:47 mickey|munich, I want the GSM modem inside of the OM for various reasons.... Oct 22 19:47:04 and hook them up to commodity hardware... Oct 22 19:47:30 Does anyone know where to get Siemens GPRS/EDGE modems? Oct 22 19:48:06 there are a bunch of resellers for these things Oct 22 19:48:09 just google Oct 22 19:48:30 it's cinterion now, btw. Oct 22 19:48:42 why cinterion? Oct 22 19:48:51 I'm looking for a reseller in the states Oct 22 19:48:52 its a PITA Oct 22 19:51:17 hey guys, any clue on how you set the search path the icons in those .desktop files? Oct 22 19:51:30 Sargun: could you buy a cheap cell phone and extract it? Oct 22 19:51:42 gurugentoo, Uhm... I'm thinking "corporate" Oct 22 19:51:44 so no Oct 22 19:51:57 ah Oct 22 19:55:11 Sargun: http://www.option.be/products/overview.shtml Oct 22 19:55:46 be != us Oct 22 19:56:24 but thanks mickey|munich for the cinterion thing. Oct 22 19:56:54 the belgian company is the manufacturer, they shipworldwide Oct 22 19:57:14 http://www.synergy-gps.com/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,2/Itemid,76/ Oct 22 19:58:27 http://www.cinterion.com/en/ktcm/modules_terminals/Terminals/TC65T < I wonder if I can talk to it over serial as a standard modem Oct 22 19:58:44 or if its overcomplicated doodad. ;-P Oct 22 20:00:08 FilipLinux4BE, buying things internationally is complicated here at the company... Oct 22 20:00:09 :-( Oct 22 20:01:34 FilipLinux4BE, Does Option sell wireless terminals? Oct 22 20:02:13 what's your definition of terminal ? Oct 22 20:02:38 like in payment terminal or serial unix terminal ? Oct 22 20:06:06 http://www.synergy-gps.com/content/view/24/47/ < Oct 22 20:06:13 see what's listed as terminal Oct 22 20:06:18 and what's listed as embedded * Oct 22 20:07:44 mickey|munich, you mucked with TC65t? Oct 22 20:07:45 the TC65t Oct 22 20:08:10 Sargun: no, just about starting to get warm with a EVB Oct 22 20:08:17 never used any of their terminals yet Oct 22 20:08:24 but they look good to me Oct 22 20:21:43 hey all, did anyone port android already? :) Oct 22 20:22:13 F4t: Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android Oct 22 20:23:15 bricode, thanks Oct 22 20:31:52 As far as I can tell, I'm missing out on a lot by not buying an iPhone. My current phone sucks, a lot: will an OpenMoko-supporting phone be available within the next year? Five? Oct 22 20:32:40 Except the freerunner? :) Oct 22 20:33:03 is it possible with the Atheros chip to broadcast a virtual AP from openmoko? Oct 22 20:33:44 no Oct 22 20:34:25 nemik: if you wrote a new firmware, perhaps Oct 22 20:34:38 I can't charge my phone every night, and I can't update my phone software every weekend. The reason I brought up the iPhone is because it's got what I want - lots of apps, ability to customize, decent battery life, etc. The FreeRunner isn't really a "phone" per se - it's a GSM-equipped mobile computing platform, but it doesn't have the battery life to accompany me on a weekend trip and act... Oct 22 20:34:38 ah, but not in the default one? Oct 22 20:34:40 ...as a reliable communication device. Oct 22 20:34:58 RyanPrior: he google phone should be able to run the current openmoko distros (such as FSO) without too much trouble Oct 22 20:35:26 balrog-k1n: Meaning, any phone that can run Android should be pretty close to running FSO and friends? Oct 22 20:35:31 nemik: nope Oct 22 20:35:37 ok, thanks Oct 22 20:35:54 RyanPrior: anything that can run linux Oct 22 20:35:57 i.e. the kernel Oct 22 20:36:29 balrog-k1n: So, if my carrier (Verizon) comes out with any decent Linux phone, it'll run FSO? Oct 22 20:36:37 RyanPrior: the iphone can potentially run linux too, i'm very sure, but it's a lot of work Oct 22 20:36:37 hi. someone have the default URI for openstreetmap tiles in tangogps? this distro has defaulted to some google URL Oct 22 20:36:56 RyanPrior: yes, it'll even run debian Oct 22 20:37:03 Sargun: something like http://www.option.be/products/globesurfer_II_72.shtml ? Oct 22 20:37:14 almien: fdom did that, yes. Go to settings and change it from the dropdown menu Oct 22 20:37:53 hehe. wow there was me expecting to type it all in! Oct 22 20:38:15 :) Oct 22 20:44:52 hmm, still an echo with the latest fso image :( Oct 22 20:45:14 and enlightment crashes allot Oct 22 20:45:17 yay got my wall/car usb charger doohicky Oct 22 20:45:19 try changing bank the N argument Oct 22 20:45:35 i just changed it because some people found the echo cancellation to be too agressive Oct 22 20:45:41 s/bank/back/ Oct 22 20:46:29 N argument? Oct 22 20:48:54 lots of bars in alsamixer :) Oct 22 20:51:23 after entering my pin enlightment crashes :(( Oct 22 20:51:37 (using FSO of 22-10) Oct 22 20:56:21 my neo should be here monday! Oct 22 20:56:24 * chi grins Oct 22 20:57:10 chi: congrats! Oct 22 20:57:39 i can go ahead and set up a dev enviroment before then though correct? Oct 22 20:58:10 * chi reads up on the wiki Oct 22 21:11:32 chi: yep Oct 22 21:11:46 perfect =D Oct 22 21:11:48 chi: Mokomakefile builds take many hours, so best to start it asap Oct 22 21:12:04 I probably wouldn't bother with the emulator if you have a device coming soon Oct 22 21:12:13 You'll probably never use it after you get the device in Oct 22 21:12:23 i gotta wait until tomorrow but i will be all over it then =D Oct 22 21:14:11 anyone have any tutorials for building a gentoo arm root image on an x86/x68_64 system? Oct 22 21:14:56 I have the crosscompiler installed (armv4tl-softfloat-linux-gnueabi) Oct 22 21:15:12 No, but I would think you would build the cross-compile environment the normal way in mokomakefile and then chroot or whatever & build from within that Oct 22 21:15:57 hmm Oct 22 21:16:00 I think you'll need more than just a cross-compiler... you'll need the cross-compiled versions of all the standard libraries in your lib path Oct 22 21:16:20 I think chroot is the wrong answer, but bitbake has some way of telling it where all the libs and compile tools are Oct 22 21:16:43 not sure how that would translate to gentoo, which I presume doesn't know bitbake from Adam Oct 22 21:17:28 gurugentoo, http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/cross-development.xml Oct 22 21:17:50 chi: ah that looks very handy Oct 22 21:18:00 anyone happening to be running SHR ? Oct 22 21:18:35 rebelThor: You'll get better SHR support in openmoko-cdevel Oct 22 21:19:00 gurugentoo: So searching for openmoko gentoo tutorial (or some variation) doesn't take you to a recipe? Oct 22 21:19:02 i just wanted to know the name of the theme they use for gtk :D Oct 22 21:19:04 thanks Oct 22 21:20:02 wurp2|working: well there is a pre-made root image, but I didn't really want to do it that way, I just wanted to see the alternatives Oct 22 21:20:30 heh Oct 22 21:20:39 I see why gentoo is in your hanlde Oct 22 21:20:45 s/nld/ndl/ Oct 22 21:20:45 wurp2|working meant: I see why gentoo is in your handle Oct 22 21:21:24 q apt help Oct 22 21:21:33 oops Oct 22 21:37:21 hello Oct 22 21:37:32 hello Oct 22 21:37:36 where is the difference if i boot from NOR ir from NAND? Oct 22 21:37:44 ir -> or Oct 22 21:41:05 white_gecko: basically normally you boot to the nor for flashing and the nand for the stuff that controls the flashing Oct 22 21:41:26 unless you have a debug board then don't piss about with the nand Oct 22 21:42:01 :) Oct 22 21:42:21 so i normaly use the NOR version ok Oct 22 21:42:33 and how can i update the uboot in the NOR? Oct 22 21:43:44 do you have a verified error with your current uboot? Oct 22 21:44:48 no but i have heard, that a u-boot update would increase battery lifetime Oct 22 21:45:55 last time I read it was boot time not battery time, but there are far more power savings to be done while the image is running Oct 22 21:46:35 hm but boot time would also be good Oct 22 21:47:50 my uboot in NOR is 1.3.2-moko12 from May 9 2008 and in NAND 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 drom Apr 2 2008 Oct 22 21:48:22 where can i find a changelog? Oct 22 21:48:33 far more up to date than mine but don Oct 22 21:48:34 NOR flash is only used as a backup uboot. you usually boot with NAND u-boot Oct 22 21:48:53 and afaik you can't update NOR u-boot Oct 22 21:49:09 without a debug board Oct 22 21:49:18 right Oct 22 21:49:33 but as I know that white_gecko does not have one :p Oct 22 21:49:36 ah ok this would be my next question after i have checked the necceserity of an update Oct 22 21:49:44 :-) Oct 22 21:49:46 OM did make it so you had to really feck up to brick it :) Oct 22 21:50:31 Flyser_: you are the boy from göbschelwitz am i right? Oct 22 21:50:36 yes Oct 22 21:50:50 Flyser_: do you want to come to the stammtisch tomorrow? Oct 22 21:51:01 I will Oct 22 21:51:05 cool Oct 22 21:51:22 ah ok yes you have posted to the list Oct 22 21:51:26 :-) Oct 22 21:51:45 i want to have debian tomorrow Oct 22 21:51:58 so i think i will make a night shift Oct 22 21:52:11 yeah :) where will we meet if micheal isn't answering? at moritzbastei or at the hopfenspeicher? Oct 22 21:52:55 i don't know i could go to the hopfenspeicher first, because it is on my way to the moritzbastei Oct 22 21:53:39 yeah thats okay. when will we meet @ moritzbastei? 19:00 ? Oct 22 21:53:49 yes Oct 22 21:53:51 k Oct 22 21:54:05 the OSM people will meet at 19.00 Oct 22 21:55:24 so where can i find information about the latest u-boot version? Oct 22 21:55:46 what information? just the binary or something different? Oct 22 21:56:26 Does anyone know where to get the USB-mini to real USB adapter? Oct 22 21:56:48 http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/ Oct 22 21:58:07 but its only the image Oct 22 21:58:19 i think about something like a changelog Oct 22 21:58:38 Sargun: most computer shops Oct 22 21:59:07 or try a shop flogging digital cameras Oct 22 21:59:10 Tig|, ok. Oct 22 21:59:23 thanks Oct 22 22:00:08 no problem. it is a standard size used by quite a few cameras / devices, fuji are definatly one Oct 22 22:00:24 or mine uses it :) Oct 22 22:03:35 hi...i have a problem...network via usb works (ping google works) but opkg update seems downloading nothing Oct 22 22:03:45 opkg update Oct 22 22:03:45 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz Oct 22 22:04:50 can you ping downloads.om etc Oct 22 22:05:00 yes Oct 22 22:05:07 from the fr Oct 22 22:05:09 ? Oct 22 22:05:13 yes Oct 22 22:05:24 what error do you get from the opkg update ? Oct 22 22:05:34 nothing is stopped Oct 22 22:06:08 stopped? as in job control stop or nothing seems to be happening? Oct 22 22:06:20 nothing seems to be appening Oct 22 22:06:29 ping www.downloads.openmoko.org Oct 22 22:06:29 PING www.downloads.openmoko.org (208.69.34.132): 56 data bytes Oct 22 22:06:29 64 bytes from 208.69.34.132: seq=0 ttl=51 time=77.428 ms Oct 22 22:07:03 I am wondering if opkg does rdns Oct 22 22:07:41 (wget of generic file in internet works ) Oct 22 22:07:44 how long have you left it when running opkg update (i am thinking about networking timeouts) Oct 22 22:08:00 10-15 min...remains in the same line Oct 22 22:09:07 daft question, this is clutching at straws as this seems most off. have you put anything in the hosts file ? Oct 22 22:09:44 or can you point the dns at opendns just to eliminate a point in the chain Oct 22 22:10:53 my resolv.conf have nameserver 208.67.222.222 Oct 22 22:10:53 nameserver 208.67.220.222 Oct 22 22:11:20 white_gecko: you can follow the commit history of the source repo at git.openmoko.org Oct 22 22:11:58 right open|FAiDA ping downloads.om to find its ip Oct 22 22:12:18 then telnet it on port 80 and see if you can connect Oct 22 22:12:28 208.69.34.132: Oct 22 22:12:36 Tig|, how? Oct 22 22:12:38 :-( Oct 22 22:12:48 Kensan: thankyou Oct 22 22:13:02 telnet 208.69.34.132 80 Oct 22 22:13:06 iirc Oct 22 22:13:25 white_gecko: a couple speedup patches were just posted to the devel ML the past couple days, which are not in git yet. Oct 22 22:14:01 Tig|, HTTP/1.0 408 Request Time-out Oct 22 22:14:06 etc.. Oct 22 22:14:43 white_gecko: there's not much speedup for boottime though... qi (the "new" bootloader) will help with that a bit. Anyway, most time is spent during init. Oct 22 22:14:45 then you definatly have a network issue that is blocking your http traffic from your FR to the OM server Oct 22 22:15:11 Tig|, ? Oct 22 22:15:14 open|FAiDA: you may have a proxy server in the way Oct 22 22:16:57 are you in a uni or have shared net access? Oct 22 22:17:16 Tig|, no in my home with adsl modem Oct 22 22:17:24 odd Oct 22 22:17:24 no router :-/ Oct 22 22:19:10 open|FAiDA: on your desktop machine try : telnet downloads.openmoko.org 80 Oct 22 22:19:14 Tig|, what? Oct 22 22:19:22 ok Oct 22 22:19:33 from a command prompt Oct 22 22:20:01 Trying 88.198.93.219... Oct 22 22:20:01 Connected to shakti.openmoko.org. Oct 22 22:20:01 Escape character is '^]'. Oct 22 22:20:11 right Oct 22 22:20:27 your desktop machine can connect with the server Oct 22 22:20:50 what happens when you run that command on the FR Oct 22 22:21:45 nothing Oct 22 22:23:45 i have pppoe Oct 22 22:24:18 apologies, have to go Oct 22 22:32:54 raster: hey there Oct 22 22:33:11 raster: flaky net connection? Oct 22 22:33:31 no Oct 22 22:33:33 buggy xchat Oct 22 22:33:39 because i moved my channel list buttons Oct 22 22:33:43 it came up and the ui hung Oct 22 22:33:47 in a infinite loop Oct 22 22:34:28 raster: well at least now everybody knows your in :) Oct 22 22:34:44 noone have a suggestion :-/ Oct 22 22:35:05 hehehhe Oct 22 22:35:10 i'm in man Oct 22 22:35:13 in... Oct 22 22:35:32 raster: bought a crib for the gang yet? ;) Oct 22 22:36:52 no Oct 22 22:36:53 no time Oct 22 22:37:37 my homies are still loose in da hood Oct 22 22:40:02 * crib ! Oct 22 22:45:47 raster: so what's keeping you busy atm? Elementary or other e stuff? Oct 22 22:45:57 elementary mostly Oct 22 22:46:06 raster: how is it coming along? Oct 22 22:46:12 also new leads for EFL on new vendor devices Oct 22 22:46:23 and e17 itself Oct 22 22:46:31 and some "real life" Oct 22 22:46:46 raster: yeah real life sounds god. Oct 22 22:46:49 good Oct 22 22:47:02 also business leads and some other g4roup that want me for x stuff Oct 22 22:47:15 so basicall yi'm juggling more work than i can handle. Oct 22 22:47:23 (right now) Oct 22 22:47:24 raster: right... Oct 22 22:47:27 given the world economy Oct 22 22:47:34 who knows what it'll be like in 6 months tho Oct 22 22:47:49 so i'm playing squirrel Oct 22 22:47:53 stuffin my nuts Oct 22 22:47:57 raster: haha Oct 22 22:48:28 I thought you aussies just do the surfing teacher thing if no other work is about ;) Oct 22 22:48:59 i don't surf Oct 22 22:48:59 :) Oct 22 22:49:23 and - if no work is about... i'll be getting worried about income.. and how to pay rent Oct 22 22:49:24 and eat Oct 22 22:49:56 raster: I'll give you a job :-) Oct 22 22:50:15 raster: well I believe something would come up given your rep ;) Oct 22 22:50:31 raster: maybe as a bouncer ;) Oct 22 22:50:36 rwhitby: washng your dishes? Oct 22 22:50:37 :) Oct 22 22:50:37 haha Oct 22 22:50:44 rwhitby: oh hey there. Oct 22 22:50:54 rwhitby: wanted to ask you if you looked into gerrit Oct 22 22:50:55 raster: writing models of hardware Oct 22 22:50:55 Kensan: right now - thasts what is happening. things keep "coming up" Oct 22 22:51:06 Kensan: no time at the moment Oct 22 22:51:13 wr "writing models" ? Oct 22 22:51:17 err Oct 22 22:51:22 rwhitby: "writing models" ? Oct 22 22:51:25 Kensan: I guess I'm not a real Australian -- I don't live on the coast Oct 22 22:51:42 BobOfDoom: 'berra right? Oct 22 22:51:47 yeah Oct 22 22:51:52 poor bugger Oct 22 22:51:53 rwhitby: ok. seems like all aussies are busy while everybody else is laying back :) Oct 22 22:51:53 :( Oct 22 22:52:21 Kensan: yeah. we just have the "reputation" for lazing about on the beach or at the pub Oct 22 22:52:30 in reality we are all working our little behinds off Oct 22 22:52:38 BobOfDoom: it was a rather inaccurate joke which would have applied to... California. Oct 22 22:52:44 * Kensan scratches his head Oct 22 22:52:54 Ok, that made no sense *hah* Oct 22 22:53:35 raster: yeah, friend of mine is in sidney doing exactly that. Oct 22 22:54:15 (beach/pub/beer/nothing) Oct 22 22:54:16 a really good surfing teacher doesn't need water ;) Oct 22 22:54:35 hehehe Oct 22 22:54:37 steak Oct 22 22:54:42 don't forget the steak Oct 22 22:54:45 actually Oct 22 22:54:48 should eat roo steaks Oct 22 22:54:55 he's veggi Oct 22 22:55:00 no fat - and good for the environment, unlike moo Oct 22 22:55:04 Imagine that Oct 22 22:55:08 wtf? Oct 22 22:55:14 veggies Oct 22 22:55:15 haha Oct 22 22:55:18 * raster doesnt grok veggies Oct 22 22:55:26 he replaces steak with beer Oct 22 22:55:32 how can you not want all that nice.. MEAT! Oct 22 22:55:33 so I say fair enough Oct 22 22:55:53 hahahaha Oct 22 22:56:21 Kensan: Gerrit seems kind of interesting. Submitted my first patch today. Oct 22 22:56:25 after all.. what's the difference Oct 22 22:56:55 bricode: yeah, I think it can be helpfull in many projects especially foss. Oct 22 22:56:59 * raster ponders Oct 22 22:57:16 i wonder.. if i set up a company.. where i shoudl set it up Oct 22 22:57:23 i'm tempted by one of these nice offshore spots Oct 22 22:57:34 raster: Switzerland - the save haven. Oct 22 22:57:35 fiji Oct 22 22:57:37 *muahaha* Oct 22 22:57:44 Kensan: expensive to set up Oct 22 22:58:00 raster: yeah and too many broke bankers Oct 22 22:58:28 hmm Oct 22 22:58:31 not offered by this mob Oct 22 22:58:36 will need to check elsewhere Oct 22 22:59:03 raster: well you know if you are from here it has it's benefits. You can travel the world and always say:"Oh I like it here, stuff is so cheap..." Oct 22 22:59:36 HAHAHAHAHHA Oct 22 22:59:46 raster: seriously it's true. Oct 22 22:59:59 raster: Japan is cheap for me ;) Oct 22 22:59:59 Kensan: trust me. i'm already there. i've spent my life living in some of the worlds most expensive cities Oct 22 23:00:12 sydney, san francisco, tokyo Oct 22 23:00:25 Kensan: tokyo can be reasonable - and can scuk the money out of you like no tomorrow Oct 22 23:00:28 depends how smart u are Oct 22 23:00:29 Kensan: here = california? Oct 22 23:00:30 :) Oct 22 23:00:33 raster: you should move to london Oct 22 23:00:37 BobOfDoom: god forbid! Oct 22 23:00:50 robster: been there Oct 22 23:00:55 20pounds for breakkie Oct 22 23:00:55 raster: it's cheap for me because I have relatives all over ;) Oct 22 23:00:59 :) Oct 22 23:01:13 Kensan: yeah. u dont have to pay for most things Oct 22 23:01:22 but if u had a wife to bring Oct 22 23:01:22 raster: and they insist on inviting you *ALL* the time :) Oct 22 23:01:26 it better be a damn good brekkie for 20 quid. Oct 22 23:01:31 and had to pay hotel room rates.. whihc are charged PER PERSON... Oct 22 23:01:35 raster: well, I am still young ;) Oct 22 23:01:36 u'd be singing a different tune Oct 22 23:01:37 :) Oct 22 23:01:41 raster: I know. Oct 22 23:01:51 robster: hilton @ canary wharf. Oct 22 23:01:52 raster: I saw the prices eventhough I didn't have to pay :) Oct 22 23:01:58 BobOfDoom: Switzerland Oct 22 23:02:39 Kensan: try the supermarket Oct 22 23:02:54 minced meat.. when on special is 1000yen/kg Oct 22 23:02:59 and that stuff is mostly fat Oct 22 23:03:15 in ,au minced meat with almost no fat - ie all meat - $5/kg Oct 22 23:03:26 (so about 350yen/kg) Oct 22 23:03:44 hang out in the foodhalls in the keio department store Oct 22 23:03:56 seen meat for $250/kg+ Oct 22 23:04:03 meat means murder Oct 22 23:04:17 yum yum. meat Oct 22 23:04:19 raster: what sort of company are you setting up? contracting for EFL stuff? Oct 22 23:04:26 als vegetables in jp are pricey Oct 22 23:04:39 BobOfDoom: right now that seems to be the major deal Oct 22 23:05:22 raster: yeah, when I was visiting Tokyo I got served some Kobe Gyu(!) Oct 22 23:05:47 raster: those people have an appartment in Harajuku... Oct 22 23:06:04 oooh Oct 22 23:06:08 where in harajuku Oct 22 23:06:12 near takeshadori Oct 22 23:06:15 or omekaido? Oct 22 23:06:25 yoyogi park entrance Oct 22 23:06:32 oooh that ends Oct 22 23:06:41 must be near takeshita dorri Oct 22 23:06:41 omote-sando Oct 22 23:06:44 near the jr station? Oct 22 23:06:50 aaah ometasando! Oct 22 23:06:51 yeah pretty close Oct 22 23:06:54 on omotesando? Oct 22 23:07:08 ummm.. I used to watch Godzilla movies Oct 22 23:07:22 raster: well not right on omotesando but jsut right behind it Oct 22 23:07:32 hmm Oct 22 23:07:33 still Oct 22 23:07:39 very chic Oct 22 23:07:48 raster: yeah! Oct 22 23:07:59 raster: crazy expensive there Oct 22 23:08:00 how big? Oct 22 23:08:04 1ldk Oct 22 23:08:05 1r Oct 22 23:08:06 2ldk Oct 22 23:08:09 3ldk? Oct 22 23:08:19 raster: hm I actually don't know Oct 22 23:08:27 ooh Oct 22 23:08:36 well not going to be cheap that corner of town Oct 22 23:08:45 if tis big Oct 22 23:08:47 2 or 3 ldk Oct 22 23:08:52 it'll be mucho-pricey Oct 22 23:09:07 i guess minimum 25-30man/month Oct 22 23:09:08 ldk? Oct 22 23:09:15 lounge dining kitchen Oct 22 23:09:19 ah Oct 22 23:09:27 I liked baby godzille Oct 22 23:10:01 in jp apartments are specified with "number of bedrooms" then dk, ldk, k, r (r meaning just N big rooms) Oct 22 23:10:32 3 bedroms if I recall correctly Oct 22 23:11:02 hmm Oct 22 23:11:14 it's been a while and I didn't spend much time at the apartment ;) Oct 22 23:11:14 lots of small islands offering offshore corp. Oct 22 23:11:38 Kensan: aaah Oct 22 23:11:56 raster: Akihabra was within walking distance of the hotel I was staying :) Oct 22 23:12:11 akiba is definitely a hike from harajuku Oct 22 23:12:14 akiba is cool Oct 22 23:12:22 tho i've done it often enough Oct 22 23:12:45 raster: yeah, I "always" go there when I pass through Tokyo. Oct 22 23:13:05 dang Oct 22 23:13:15 I was hpoing there'd be an "Enlightenment Island" somewhere Oct 22 23:13:33 closest thing I could find is an "Englightenment Way" in Florida Oct 22 23:13:38 hahahaha Oct 22 23:13:45 well its the usual suspects poping up Oct 22 23:13:49 marshall islands Oct 22 23:13:53 british virgin islands Oct 22 23:13:58 raster: buy the island that the piratebay guys wanted to buy and call it E-Kingdom Oct 22 23:14:01 seychelles Oct 22 23:14:14 swiss require CHF20,000 invested in the company to start Oct 22 23:14:19 plus hefty setup fees Oct 22 23:14:28 BobOfDoom: let me guess, that way was leading to a church.. Oct 22 23:14:36 raster: CH is expensive Oct 22 23:14:41 yeah Oct 22 23:14:53 seems a bit silly to incorporate there Oct 22 23:14:56 raster: but if you open up shop in Zug you pay almost no tax Oct 22 23:15:08 zug... as an individual Oct 22 23:15:11 or a company? Oct 22 23:15:22 raster: lots of companies have their HQ in CH especially in Zug (city) Oct 22 23:15:29 in these island places u can open up shap and pay literally no tax Oct 22 23:15:45 or werll there's a annual flat tax of like a few hundred euro Oct 22 23:16:07 so if u have profits of $1,000,000 Oct 22 23:16:11 u stilll pay the same flat tax Oct 22 23:16:12 :) Oct 22 23:16:58 raster: so you plan on making some dough then? Fleeing from the australian tax officers ;) Oct 22 23:17:39 Kensan: not fleeing Oct 22 23:17:48 simply pooling profits into the company Oct 22 23:17:52 not me as an individual Oct 22 23:18:01 i pay myself just what i need to surivive Oct 22 23:18:12 and depending on my place of residence Oct 22 23:18:14 pay tax there Oct 22 23:18:26 raster: was just kidding. There's a big ruckus here in Europe since germany is throwing their weight at Switzerland (+Lichtenstein) Oct 22 23:18:29 as of septembder that is australia. Oct 22 23:18:32 september Oct 22 23:18:38 about tax evasion etc Oct 22 23:18:52 bah Oct 22 23:18:56 i like it Oct 22 23:18:59 its competition Oct 22 23:19:08 countries compete for business and people Oct 22 23:19:14 by having either nicer services Oct 22 23:19:14 You can do like Lee Iacoca did when he rescued Chrysler. Pay yourself 1 dollar a year, and let the company pay all your expences for you. Oct 22 23:19:17 standard of living Oct 22 23:19:20 safety Oct 22 23:19:24 better job opportunities Oct 22 23:19:26 or lower taxes Oct 22 23:19:29 or all of them Oct 22 23:19:43 johngay: pretty much :) Oct 22 23:19:44 the tax code is retarded in many countries Oct 22 23:19:57 igor321: i know Oct 22 23:20:07 in .au they keep finding mroe ways for you not to file deductions Oct 22 23:20:13 it sucks Oct 22 23:20:20 and u pay a big lump in tax Oct 22 23:20:23 i'm a big fan of the flat tax thing Oct 22 23:20:30 for individuals Oct 22 23:20:32 or companies? Oct 22 23:20:39 for both Oct 22 23:20:45 Move to Ireland and declare your code to be Art. Artists don't pay tax on their artwork (-; Oct 22 23:20:48 hehe Oct 22 23:20:54 flat as in % Oct 22 23:20:58 or flat as in flat fee? Oct 22 23:21:06 johngay: HAHAHAHA Oct 22 23:21:08 a tax on consumption and income, flat as in % :) Oct 22 23:21:21 igor321: i agree Oct 22 23:21:28 have taxes on consumption Oct 22 23:21:32 eg land tax Oct 22 23:21:46 tax water/power/phone etc. (consumption) Oct 22 23:21:49 and other spending Oct 22 23:21:56 if u dont spend much - u dont pay too much Oct 22 23:22:05 i'd even go for no income tax Oct 22 23:22:15 zero - it'd cut down massive amounts of paperwork for the govt Oct 22 23:22:19 save money Oct 22 23:22:26 just have like 20% VAT Oct 22 23:22:33 no other taxes Oct 22 23:22:33 we'll a lot of people would be out of work :) Oct 22 23:22:38 so you can't have that :) Oct 22 23:22:44 (or wel something like that 10% 15%, 20%) Oct 22 23:23:00 but yeah, as a rule of thumb, the lower the taxes, the efficent the country Oct 22 23:23:03 igor321: why would they be out of work? Oct 22 23:23:09 oh wait Oct 22 23:23:12 fewer @ the tax dept Oct 22 23:23:13 yeah Oct 22 23:23:15 the tax people Oct 22 23:23:16 :) Oct 22 23:23:18 yeah Oct 22 23:23:24 they can go do somethnig productive with their lives Oct 22 23:23:30 rather than suck blood from everyone else Oct 22 23:23:33 But spending is what boosts the economy. If you tax people on what they spend only, you'll reduce spending and wipe out the economy. Oct 22 23:23:47 go create somethgn that makes this world or our lives in it better Oct 22 23:24:01 johngay: u'll encourage saving Oct 22 23:24:01 johngay: why would you say that Oct 22 23:24:08 look where spending got the usa? Oct 22 23:24:14 raster: yeah please do that Oct 22 23:24:16 u spend - then spend money u dont have Oct 22 23:24:18 as u never saved it Oct 22 23:24:23 etc. Oct 22 23:24:28 That wasn't spending that wiped out the US economy, it was over lending. Oct 22 23:24:31 sooner or later the house of cards will come down Oct 22 23:24:49 That's why Income tax is always higher then spending tax. Oct 22 23:24:50 raster: e spews some errors just before X comes up. Read something about "spank spank" ;) Oct 22 23:24:51 johngay: lending was fuelled by spending Oct 22 23:24:55 :) Oct 22 23:25:04 if you follow the trail Oct 22 23:25:11 Kensan: yay! spank! Oct 22 23:25:31 But they were spending what they didn't have. Oct 22 23:25:37 yes Oct 22 23:25:47 one catch though, the more indebted we are, the greater the chance we'll work to pay it off, and unknowingy create a heaven on earth Oct 22 23:25:58 as they had either taken out extra loans on their houses to pay for consumer goods Oct 22 23:25:58 eg Oct 22 23:26:03 cause if we weren't indebted, we'd be lazy :) Oct 22 23:26:41 "ooh we spent $200,000 on our house. the agent says its worth $300,000 - lets take out an extra $100,000 mortgage on the increase in value so we can buy a nice new hdtv or car or..." Oct 22 23:26:52 and of course the banks were stupid enough to lend up to 100% of the value Oct 22 23:27:24 * Kensan goes to his "happy place" Oct 22 23:27:26 or u have "lets just upgrade to a fancier place and borrow it ALL 100% so we spend our existing savings on cars and tv's... oh what savings?" Oct 22 23:27:30 and then.. the bubble pops Oct 22 23:27:35 prices plummet Oct 22 23:27:47 * Kensan has heard too much about (financial) crisis Oct 22 23:28:02 peolpe go "why should i pay the bank more for a house that is now worht less than i owe? in the deal if i default - they keep the house. it's cheaper for me to do that" Oct 22 23:28:04 and so people do it Oct 22 23:28:10 take their il-gotten consumer items Oct 22 23:28:17 and run for the hills Oct 22 23:28:22 and the banks are up the creek... Oct 22 23:28:33 * techiem2-r tosses a rabid squirrel into Kensan's happy place Oct 22 23:28:40 anyway8 Oct 22 23:28:42 saving is good Oct 22 23:28:47 peolpe shoudl save for a rainy day Oct 22 23:28:51 they shopuld spend what they have saved Oct 22 23:28:57 not borrow for their spending Oct 22 23:29:03 saving is also green if you think about it Oct 22 23:29:04 mhm Oct 22 23:29:08 techiem2-r: oh evil you! Oct 22 23:29:22 mwahaha Oct 22 23:29:28 the more you save the less you spend, therefore less resources are spent on shit Oct 22 23:29:34 Saving IS good, buy you need spending to drive an economy. Oct 22 23:29:37 raster: the idea was to lead a good life now with the money you "will" earn. Oct 22 23:29:50 lol Oct 22 23:29:54 johngay: sure. and thats where u provide more income TO spend Oct 22 23:29:59 raster: the issues is what you "will" learn is not at all the same as the money you have in your pocket Oct 22 23:30:11 by not taxing it and taxing away 30 or 405% or so of what u earn Oct 22 23:30:27 u have 30% MOre to spend (or save) as u see fit Oct 22 23:30:43 What country taxes people 405%??? Oct 22 23:30:47 * techiem2-r predicts he "will" earn $50,000,000/yr Oct 22 23:30:52 :P Oct 22 23:30:53 45% Oct 22 23:30:55 typo Oct 22 23:30:56 :) Oct 22 23:31:22 I knew the Beatles were taxed 95%. Oct 22 23:31:44 wtf? Oct 22 23:32:13 it's possible Oct 22 23:32:34 they must have had shit accountants Oct 22 23:32:38 :) Oct 22 23:32:42 well most of us are taxed at something like 70% i'd say Oct 22 23:32:45 Hence the line, "It's one for you nineteen for me. Taxman!" Oct 22 23:32:49 first you pay 45% on income Oct 22 23:32:59 then 20 or so on consumption Oct 22 23:33:06 45%? Oct 22 23:33:09 ouch Oct 22 23:33:10 and those are only the little taxes Oct 22 23:33:19 *the big taxes Oct 22 23:33:20 typo Oct 22 23:33:28 last time i filed a tax return in .au as a resident thats the agregate rate i paid Oct 22 23:33:34 actually 43% is what it worked out as Oct 22 23:33:40 ah Oct 22 23:33:42 then i went out of .au to escape it Oct 22 23:33:48 ouch Oct 22 23:34:16 the top marginal taxrate was 48.5% Oct 22 23:34:16 yeah it's too fucking much Oct 22 23:34:22 (if u include medicare) Oct 22 23:34:30 and the majority of income was in that bracket Oct 22 23:34:40 the services you get for government, they also aren't free Oct 22 23:34:42 I generally don't end up paying much Oct 22 23:34:43 only the police Oct 22 23:34:44 And Americans complain when they pay 10-15% tax, AFTER deducting 10-20K from their income to find 'taxable' income. Oct 22 23:34:46 as for like a decade or more au never moved taxt brackets Oct 22 23:34:50 but I don't make much..... Oct 22 23:34:52 i also pay for roads, lights, everything Oct 22 23:34:58 they raised taxes but the levels at which they kicked in never changed Oct 22 23:35:00 ah Oct 22 23:35:07 so u basically kept paying more and more tax as you eart more Oct 22 23:35:14 but u had to earn more Oct 22 23:35:15 inflation Oct 22 23:35:26 so u basically suffered "bracket creep" Oct 22 23:35:34 In Ireland I was paying 21% on the first 35K, and 42% on everything above with NO deductions. Oct 22 23:36:06 johngay: yeah. also in au they basically managed to rule out almost all deductions Oct 22 23:36:35 also in .au i dont have access to many services Oct 22 23:36:42 no unemployment protection or pension Oct 22 23:36:49 * techiem2-r guesses he can't complain too much about his @15% Oct 22 23:36:59 u can only get unemployment benefits when u have spent all your liquid assets except the last $5000 Oct 22 23:37:03 so if u save monye Oct 22 23:37:06 u are screrwed Oct 22 23:37:20 u just pay lots of tax and fund those shwo sonsume until they have no cash left Oct 22 23:37:26 THEY get the unemployment help Oct 22 23:37:27 o.O Oct 22 23:37:40 raster: sent ya the latest bootchart Oct 22 23:37:50 i always wondered how government manage to waste our money so efficiently :) Oct 22 23:37:58 same with medicare - earn over 35k (around $25k us these days) and u pay an extar 1% tax unless u fork out for private helathcare Oct 22 23:38:10 raster: still looks crap Oct 22 23:38:20 all sorts of other nasties too Oct 22 23:38:33 is there a way to have opkg check for a) unnecessary packages that are left as dependencies that were pulled in and b) for overwritten file from earlier installations? Oct 22 23:39:15 that basicall ymean "if u are poor and spent all your money on your hous./mortgage or on consuming and buying fancy cars, tv's etc. the cgovt will help u and you get some benfits. if you are sensible and save for a rainy day, you are screwed" Oct 22 23:39:22 damned 1:40 again Oct 22 23:39:30 and i have to say... it irks me that things are like that Oct 22 23:39:39 * raster fetches mail Oct 22 23:40:23 raster: boottime is just around 60 secs Oct 22 23:41:02 udevd -> rc still takes forever Oct 22 23:42:12 and the 2n'd rc Oct 22 23:42:15 raster: yeah as I wrote, don't know what's actually happening there for about 10 secs Oct 22 23:42:19 (That starts modprobe and netowrking etc.) Oct 22 23:42:27 thats got a big pause Oct 22 23:42:32 other than that.. udevd... Oct 22 23:42:54 that 10 secs needs checking Oct 22 23:43:01 raster: I think the udev config is still not correct. Oct 22 23:43:07 the 7 secs for exquisitie are pretty plain Oct 22 23:43:11 its hammering cpu Oct 22 23:43:14 raster: need to look into that. grad some debug output Oct 22 23:43:29 (ie most of it is dyn lib loading and pagind initial libs off disk) Oct 22 23:43:57 the first half of exquisite-reite has the same thing Oct 22 23:44:06 the dark blue/pink shows that Oct 22 23:46:20 raster: hm IO is not shown properly... Oct 22 23:46:33 IO also is a lot of the blue cpu Oct 22 23:46:39 as IO is decompressing jffs2 Oct 22 23:47:06 raster: I guess ubifs could help with the reads Oct 22 23:47:29 unlikely Oct 22 23:47:39 the results i've seen show it a bit slower than jffs2 Oct 22 23:47:41 marginally Oct 22 23:47:47 much better for mounts tho Oct 22 23:47:52 raster: I thought that was for writes Oct 22 23:48:52 raster: that's really strange. 20-30 is just a blank... Oct 22 23:50:02 yup Oct 22 23:50:14 i wonder if there is some silly sleep/pause there somewhere Oct 22 23:51:17 http://www.pastebin.ca/1234273 <-I'm trying to compile u-boot for the smdk2440, I'm getting 2 ARM relocation errors during the linking phase with not much other information, does anyone have any pointers? Oct 22 23:51:51 0xa4bcf 0xffff 0x1337 Oct 22 23:52:24 raster: hm... that would mean it's in rc... Oct 22 23:52:27 rooly, pun not intended :) Oct 22 23:52:38 plus, 16-bit address space.... Oct 22 23:52:51 raster: maybe it's "waiting" for udev to finish. but since that's not an issue anymore... Oct 22 23:53:17 ahh Oct 22 23:53:18 my bad Oct 22 23:54:20 Kensan: good q. Oct 22 23:54:37 an strace with timestamps on the rc script might be a good call Oct 23 00:02:25 raster: don't know what's up ther Oct 23 00:02:26 e Oct 23 00:02:30 raster: need to shleep Oct 23 00:04:17 raster: hm I am missing some error messages in the log... does logread only show kernel syslog messages? Oct 23 00:04:18 ok so shleep Oct 23 00:04:20 nite! Oct 23 00:06:40 * SpeedEvil ponders. Oct 23 00:06:49 Does raster dream of shaded sheep. Oct 23 00:07:02 Through a perfectly rendered mist. Oct 23 00:08:07 SpeedEvil: hehe, I bet as long as the sheeps have eye-candy he doesn't care Oct 23 00:09:00 well I am off. Oct 23 00:09:04 good night Oct 23 00:10:49 nite! Oct 23 00:38:36 Is it possible to mount the FR as a USB memory device? Oct 23 00:40:48 johngay: search the wiki for "USB mass storage" Oct 23 00:50:17 yay android Oct 23 00:50:41 Except I don't have the modules listed at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_a_Mass_storage_device ??? Oct 23 01:38:34 http://www.aftermarketcellular.com/ic/MOTV3CLA.html Oct 23 01:48:46 boo Oct 23 01:49:18 fairly cheap Oct 23 01:52:37 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868995002 Oct 23 01:52:41 I just got one of those Oct 23 01:54:17 Congratulations. What is it? Oct 23 01:54:57 2 port wall or car charger Oct 23 01:56:18 it's not a "smart" usb device, so you have to kick your FR into fast charge mode Oct 23 01:56:30 oh oh Oct 23 01:56:33 heh, nice Oct 23 01:56:42 yeah Oct 23 01:56:45 Whip it, Indiana Jones style! Oct 23 01:56:50 *whaaapissssssh* Oct 23 01:56:51 lol Oct 23 01:57:00 >:) Oct 23 01:57:06 I figured a wall/car would be nice and handy Oct 23 01:57:27 5v, 2 port, 500mA/port Oct 23 01:57:49 damn right! Oct 23 01:57:54 not bad :) Oct 23 01:58:07 yeah Oct 23 01:58:14 ideally 1mA/port, but not surprising that it's not Oct 23 01:58:20 hehe Oct 23 01:58:26 heh Oct 23 01:58:28 good Oct 23 02:00:06 yeah, I just run multiple hubs in the lab, two to a channel Oct 23 02:00:54 or just self-powered for charging Oct 23 02:00:56 woo Oct 23 02:01:00 tech, how much was it? Oct 23 02:01:59 @$27 including shipping Oct 23 02:02:05 not bad Oct 23 02:02:13 and I'm assuming shipping was roughly half :p Oct 23 02:02:16 yeah Oct 23 02:02:21 lol Oct 23 02:02:22 good Oct 23 02:02:24 :P Oct 23 02:02:26 @$7 Oct 23 02:02:28 :P Oct 23 02:02:42 was that the shipping or the product price? ;D Oct 23 02:02:46 will a razr cord work properly? Oct 23 02:02:46 * Dave laughs Oct 23 02:02:52 slaxxin, no Oct 23 02:02:55 I tried it Oct 23 02:02:58 regrettably Oct 23 02:03:02 lol Oct 23 02:03:05 shipping Oct 23 02:03:05 * rooly just discovered opkg.org Oct 23 02:03:08 though it might depend on which cord you're talking about specifically Oct 23 02:03:13 rooly, heh Oct 23 02:03:14 i tries a cheap walmart cord' Oct 23 02:03:18 hah Oct 23 02:03:35 fucking redneck usb protocols Oct 23 02:03:43 lol Oct 23 02:03:52 yeehaw Oct 23 02:03:56 dykes Oct 23 02:04:04 lookie here ma, I dun charged mah deevice Oct 23 02:04:09 wetbacks and sandiggers Oct 23 02:04:10 shrink tube Oct 23 02:05:17 * Dave throws defunt calypsos at mwester Oct 23 02:05:24 so are there some schemetics to build the perfect 12v charger? Oct 23 02:05:49 nah man, why would there be. you know how proprietary this company is Oct 23 02:05:52 yes Oct 23 02:05:58 hahaha Oct 23 02:06:02 nice Oct 23 02:06:34 yeah, they're clearly worse than android, right? :p Oct 23 02:07:27 impossible to deal with, ya know? Oct 23 02:07:32 no community contact Oct 23 02:07:38 kill switches for every app Oct 23 02:07:40 etc Oct 23 02:07:48 wait Oct 23 02:07:54 am i talking about openmoko or apple Oct 23 02:08:25 lol Oct 23 02:09:25 jesus h christ on a pogo stick, batman Oct 23 02:09:29 it's STILL installing... Oct 23 02:09:37 that's a bit much considering how little i put in there Oct 23 02:22:31 i get "ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host" while i try to ssh my neo. Oct 23 02:22:50 did you boot with the usb cable in? Oct 23 02:23:13 rooly: nope. i connected it after booting both device Oct 23 02:23:22 do you have a firewall active? Oct 23 02:23:45 rooly: yes but i have usb0 under internal Oct 23 02:25:02 wow what was that? all of them left the server at once and joined all at once??? Oct 23 02:25:17 netsplit Oct 23 02:25:30 what does that mean? Oct 23 02:25:48 freenode suffers from what they call netsplits Oct 23 02:26:05 when a server in the chain gets out of sync, it has to relogon to the network Oct 23 02:26:13 oh Oct 23 02:26:35 so it appears to us the users that dozens or hundreds of people are leaving and joining right back again Oct 23 02:27:26 rooly: so what should i do with this ssh thing. i have tried to upgrade the FDOM in neo but it messed up my home screen : tiny icons, no mofi icon, no terminal icon, no config icon. I can do nothing at all without ssh Oct 23 02:27:44 i know what you mean Oct 23 02:27:50 how many times have you tried rebooting Oct 23 02:28:08 try temporarily disabling your firewall too Oct 23 02:28:11 ok Oct 23 02:28:13 lets see Oct 23 02:28:16 brb Oct 23 02:29:48 is it feasible to make the sd card have a swap partition? Oct 23 02:32:17 rooly: i run swap Oct 23 02:32:43 how do i tell fdisk to make a partition as swap Oct 23 02:32:43 it helps, but dont kill urself with massive space == it isn't worth more that 2x he ram Oct 23 02:32:58 i have an 8G card Oct 23 02:33:02 i think i can spare a little Oct 23 02:33:13 now Oct 23 02:33:26 how do i make that swap in the fr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 23 02:59:57 2008