**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 29 02:59:57 2008
Oct 29 03:09:23 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r93ac25e0ca1b 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/parser.py: 
Oct 29 03:09:23 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Abort rule creation if there is a parsing error
Oct 29 03:09:23 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: Before this, if a function call in the rule file fails, then the value returned by the function is None.
Oct 29 03:09:23 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: Instead we raise an exception, and let the parser aborts the rule (with big error message)
Oct 29 03:09:27 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r1204c7b443cd 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/oevents.py: oeventsd: added RemoveRule DBus method
Oct 29 03:10:44 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rb1de70790833 10/tests/ (oevents.py test.py): tests: added oevents tests
Oct 29 03:13:43 <chi> ok got usb networking up and running but there seems to be no repo list under install on 2008.9
Oct 29 03:13:46 <chi> =/
Oct 29 03:17:27 <chi> can't get to a shell to turn on ssh
Oct 29 03:17:30 * chi twitches
Oct 29 03:35:29 <slaxxin> can u ping -c 4 www.yahoo.com?
Oct 29 03:39:30 <chi> slaxxin, i don't have access to a shell
Oct 29 03:39:39 <chi> unless it is hiding?
Oct 29 03:39:47 <slaxxin> on the phone?
Oct 29 03:39:50 <chi> yea
Oct 29 03:40:07 <chi> i just flashed to 2008.9 yesterday
Oct 29 03:40:20 <slaxxin> why not use the shell on the linux box since u are sshed in
Oct 29 03:40:40 <slaxxin> u have a linux box?
Oct 29 03:40:44 <chi> i'm not sshed in
Oct 29 03:40:49 <chi> yea all gentoo =P
Oct 29 03:40:51 <slaxxin> well ssh in
Oct 29 03:40:56 <chi> is it on by default?
Oct 29 03:41:04 <chi> i forgot to nmap heeh
Oct 29 03:41:31 <chi> nope no sshd
Oct 29 03:41:38 * chi pulls out his hair
Oct 29 03:42:04 <slaxxin> well i use slackware so the commands may be different
Oct 29 03:42:18 <slaxxin> this is what i do
Oct 29 03:42:31 <chi> slack on your phone?
Oct 29 03:42:59 <slaxxin> no
Oct 29 03:43:15 <chi> my problem is gettin to a shell on the phone
Oct 29 03:43:44 <chi> i pretty sure usb networkin is enabled
Oct 29 03:43:47 <chi> i can ping the phone
Oct 29 03:43:55 <slaxxin> well ssh in to the phone from your gentoo box
Oct 29 03:44:07 <chi> slaxxin, i just checked sshd is not running on the phone
Oct 29 03:44:14 <chi> via nmap
Oct 29 03:44:30 <wildnux> i am getting "
Oct 29 03:44:31 <wildnux> Package libgobject-2.0-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
Oct 29 03:44:31 <wildnux>         But that file is already provided by package  * libglib-2.0-0
Oct 29 03:44:36 <slaxxin>    u dont have to turn it on
Oct 29 03:44:43 <wildnux> while installing pidgin
Oct 29 03:44:44 <chi> oh?
Oct 29 03:44:46 <chi> ok
Oct 29 03:44:51 <wildnux> sorry for longer text
Oct 29 03:45:12 <dskippy> How can I get the image for qtextended 4.4.2? I can only find 4.4.1 on the download site yet 4.4.2 is announce on the wiki
Oct 29 03:45:20 <chi> oh HELL NO
Oct 29 03:45:22 <chi> rofl
Oct 29 03:45:27 <chi> thanks slaxxin you rock =D
Oct 29 03:46:05 <slaxxin> 4.4.2 will /might be in a couple more days
Oct 29 03:46:52 <slaxxin> the source is there
Oct 29 03:47:21 <dskippy> Oh woa, I didn't even realize the date was in the future.
Oct 29 03:47:40 <dskippy> The English grammar was in the past. :-\
Oct 29 03:48:27 <slaxxin> http://qtextended.org/modules/mydownloads/
Oct 29 03:50:09 <dskippy> slaxxin: Kernel linked to that seems to be down :(
Oct 29 03:51:04 <slaxxin> its working for me
Oct 29 03:51:22 <slaxxin> i think
Oct 29 03:51:47 <dskippy> slaxxin: did you download the 4.4.1 kernel image for gta02 (freerunner) from that link you sent me?
Oct 29 03:51:53 <dskippy> I get a timeout on that page.
Oct 29 03:52:03 <slaxxin> no 4.4.2
Oct 29 03:52:13 <dskippy> slaxxin: You mean the source then, right?
Oct 29 03:52:17 <slaxxin> 20 megs sofar
Oct 29 03:52:45 <slaxxin> yup source
Oct 29 03:56:48 <dskippy> Ah, I was talking about the kernel image. I'm getting the jffs2 from the link from the wiki now. Anyoneknow what kernel will work with this?
Oct 29 03:56:58 <dskippy> I currently have the 2008.09 kernel.
Oct 29 03:57:15 <dskippy> Can I just put the qtopia filesystem atop that?
Oct 29 03:58:12 <slaxxin> mwesters kernel would be the best bet but go ahead an try it
Oct 29 03:59:44 <chi> yay =D
Oct 29 04:15:59 <slaxxin> potter what can we expect this time?
Oct 29 05:00:39 <squee_> Are the signature checks ever going to be fixed for the repositories?  I can't believe it would the THAT difficult to update
Oct 29 05:01:40 <KenYoung> squee_, I would not recommend holding your breath.
Oct 29 05:02:03 * squee_ inhales
Oct 29 05:02:30 * squee_ starts turning blue...
Oct 29 05:02:57 <KenYoung> Oh, oh - iterate!
Oct 29 05:03:51 <gurugentoo> anyone use gentoo here? I keep getting "pth_mctx.c:476:2: error: #error "Unsupported Linux (g)libc version and/or platform" " when I try make image with MokoMakefile
Oct 29 05:12:04 <squee_> Does anyone here have at&t with gprs working?
Oct 29 05:47:40 <wildnux> i get errors while installing pidgin
Oct 29 05:48:06 <wildnux> it says some library is already installed by another package
Oct 29 05:48:37 <wildnux> i tried -force-overwrite install but the program won't work
Oct 29 05:49:30 <wildnux> i messed up and am flashing again...... can any one please tell me a way to install pidgin on FDOM (october)
Oct 29 05:50:21 <wildnux> !pidgin
Oct 29 05:51:19 <wildnux> NObody here?
Oct 29 06:03:18 <kd8ikt> no
Oct 29 06:07:53 <gurugentoo> well, it compiles after a fun little hack...let's see if the rest finishes
Oct 29 06:08:07 <gurugentoo> who do I complain to?
Oct 29 06:08:50 <kd8ikt> specifics matter
Oct 29 06:09:51 <kd8ikt> like htop in the shr ballroom with the ncurses
Oct 29 06:10:36 <kd8ikt> heh
Oct 29 06:10:53 <kd8ikt> or like i just had a qemu.bb fail :P
Oct 29 06:16:11 <gurugentoo> some detail was up ^^^
Oct 29 06:16:24 <gurugentoo> http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 I'm having this issue
Oct 29 06:17:00 <gurugentoo> with JB_PC and JB_SP being undefined 
Oct 29 06:17:59 <gurugentoo> for now I just defined them using the values from that link, but they were obviously supposed to be defined elsewhere
Oct 29 06:57:50 <gurugentoo> so raster...you mentioned that illume is no longer a separate module...what needs to change in MokoMakefile? 
Oct 29 07:00:49 <raster> mokomakefile?
Oct 29 07:00:50 <raster> nothing
Oct 29 07:00:54 <raster> image.bb's need changing
Oct 29 07:01:00 <gurugentoo> ah
Oct 29 07:01:00 <raster> ie fso-image.bb
Oct 29 07:01:05 <raster> or whatever
Oct 29 07:01:23 <raster> the .bb's that determine the package contents of an image
Oct 29 08:38:32 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r311 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Fix segfault bug
Oct 29 08:48:59 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r312 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary.pyx tests/test01.py): Added some more widgets
Oct 29 08:52:15 <Shlee> Nokia released Qt Extended 4.4.2.. do they mean the sourcecode for the 4.4.1 release?
Oct 29 08:53:40 <Tm_T> Shlee: no
Oct 29 08:55:07 <kraft_31> So now i'va installed debian on the microSD card, and made it the default boot choice. But noe I would like to make the FR boot from flash as default, so how do I do that?
Oct 29 08:56:18 <kraft_31> I figure there will be some sort of uBoot conf file that need changes... 
Oct 29 08:58:56 <Shlee> Tm_T: in that case, the release is due in the next few days?
Oct 29 08:59:11 <Tm_T> Shlee: 4.4.2 release is now/soon
Oct 29 09:09:14 <lindi-> kraft_31: how did you configure it to boot SD?
Oct 29 09:10:25 <kraft_31> I used the script supplied on the "howtoinstalldebian" homepage... give me a sec I'll find it...
Oct 29 09:11:55 <kraft_31> Linid-: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner and the paragraph that says: "Adjusting your uBoot environment"
Oct 29 09:13:30 <transylvania> Tm_T: any changelog for 4.4.2 ?
Oct 29 09:13:32 <lindi-> kraft_31: yep but did you read how it changes uboot configuration?
Oct 29 09:13:54 <transylvania> I heard that 4.4.1 was unusable on neo
Oct 29 09:18:01 <Shlee> It's not unstable - just buggy
Oct 29 09:18:33 <Shlee> 4.3 was very good. 4.4 was an improvement and hopefully this new release is the icing on the cake
Oct 29 09:18:42 <cdrum_> I'm running a daily build (yesterdays), and have gpsd installed,b ut cannot find the /etc/default/gpsd file. Anyone know where it is on the testing daily builds?
Oct 29 09:18:59 <transylvania> Shlee: I said unusable because too buggy
Oct 29 09:32:28 <Tm_T> transylvania: not too buggy here
Oct 29 09:32:55 <transylvania> for a main cell phone daily usage ?
Oct 29 09:34:50 <Tm_T> transylvania: yup
Oct 29 09:35:09 <transylvania> ok
Oct 29 09:35:17 <transylvania> but I will wait for 4.4.2
Oct 29 09:35:28 <transylvania> I prefer
Oct 29 09:35:36 <Tm_T> actually I have 4.4.2 but...
Oct 29 09:35:48 <Tm_T> or so it says
Oct 29 09:36:07 <transylvania> but what ? 
Oct 29 09:36:16 <Tm_T> dunno
Oct 29 09:37:05 <andred> great, i have broken my freerunner's u-boot_env partition. could someone do me a favour and send me yours?
Oct 29 09:39:59 <sakkara> transylvania:  i use qtextended 4.4.1, i think its less buggy then om =O
Oct 29 09:40:49 <transylvania> I will test 4.4.2 as soon as image wili be avaible
Oct 29 09:40:54 <transylvania> will
Oct 29 09:41:09 <sakkara> calls, sms, alarm, wifi works all fine, and battery lasts longer then fdom
Oct 29 09:41:44 <sakkara> yeah, im impatient for the 4.4.2 release^^
Oct 29 09:59:25 <andred> any freerunner owner around?
Oct 29 09:59:36 <[df]> probably one or two :)
Oct 29 10:00:08 <andred> could any of you please send me a dump of the u-boot_env partition?
Oct 29 10:00:57 <[df]> how do you dump it?  using dfu-util?
Oct 29 10:01:06 <andred> yes
Oct 29 10:01:16 <[df]> ok, gimme a sec
Oct 29 10:01:17 <Nobody96> moin
Oct 29 10:01:33 <andred> "-a u-boot_env -U env.bin" for example
Oct 29 10:02:52 <[df]> my dfu-util man page says 'Note: Upload support is currently broken.'
Oct 29 10:04:55 <Kensan_> andred: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F
Oct 29 10:05:41 <andred> Kensan_: awesome, thanks. i didn't find that
Oct 29 10:06:03 <andred> [df]: nevermind then, thanks
Oct 29 10:06:21 <[df]> ah, ok
Oct 29 10:06:34 <[df]> it worked anyway, despite what the manual said
Oct 29 10:07:08 <andred> [df]:cool, would you mind sending it to aduffeck at suse.de?
Oct 29 10:10:06 <[df]> sent
Oct 29 10:10:12 <andred> great, thanks
Oct 29 10:12:42 <pb__> Kensan: for your interest, I updated those benchmark results with the latest numbers, same url as before.
Oct 29 10:12:52 <pb__> the 'sh proc' number is now for busybox sh compiled as thumb
Oct 29 10:13:35 <dns53> has anyone got networking working with vista 64
Oct 29 10:14:16 <andred> [df]: worked like a charm. you are my hero for today :)
Oct 29 10:14:25 <[df]> :D
Oct 29 10:21:46 <Kensan_> pb__: thanks, I'll certainly take a look.
Oct 29 11:39:08 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r911d22812b55 10/fsod/src/ (12 files in 11 dirs): 
Oct 29 11:39:08 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 1.) DBus.Connection no longer static.
Oct 29 11:39:08 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Plugin class of Device subsystem takes in an additional DBus connection object
Oct 29 11:39:08 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 3.) Refactor all subsequent code in the device plugins. Registering dbus objects now a lot cleaner
Oct 29 12:15:33 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r9531ebb72832 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: oeventsd: Fix SetLeds action that got broken earlier
Oct 29 12:16:04 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r767259831c69 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Oct 29 12:30:06 <HConceptz> hey
Oct 29 12:52:59 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r6813aa557ac4 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_triggers.py: 
Oct 29 12:52:59 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix IncomingMessage trigger (thanks quickdev)
Oct 29 12:52:59 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: This follows the org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM API change from
Oct 29 12:52:59 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: IncomingMessage to IncomingStoredMessage
Oct 29 12:53:02 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * r2b39ee632ca3 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Use PDUAddress.guess for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage
Oct 29 13:12:50 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r313 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (Makefile elementary.pyx setup.py tests/test01.py): Fix some bugs and switch to evas.c_evas.Object as base class for all our widgets
Oct 29 13:13:38 <Dave> -_-
Oct 29 13:34:25 <mmu_man> http://openmoko-fr.org/blog/index.php?post/2008/10/28/JDLL-2008#c106 :)
Oct 29 13:36:23 <leinir> Quick translation from moon-speak? ;)
Oct 29 13:37:25 <mmu_man> I said it was nice they passed by JDLL, but they forgot the goodies to distribute
Oct 29 13:37:31 <mmu_man> so I still have nothing to port Haiku to :p
Oct 29 13:38:20 <tomboy64> is somebody here familiar with changing an svn-url in a bb-file to use a "peg-revision"?
Oct 29 14:01:13 <sylar> hi, any news about openmoko 2008.10?
Oct 29 14:02:10 <jadams_> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <-- is that second image a workspace switcher in the top bar?
Oct 29 14:02:31 <jadams_> oh, yeah, duh.  also in the middle of the screen
Oct 29 14:05:32 <wilhelmb> what country is it cheapest to buy the openmoko neo freerunner. i live in norway
Oct 29 14:06:29 <tomboy64> well, german retailers demand 330 euroes
Oct 29 14:06:33 <Tm_T> wilhelmb: from Germany I'd say
Oct 29 14:06:41 <wilhelmb> oki
Oct 29 14:06:48 <Tm_T> wilhelmb: you also get EU benefits from it, if possible
Oct 29 14:07:21 <wilhelmb> what is EU benefits?
Oct 29 14:07:38 <wilhelmb> norway is not member of EU
Oct 29 14:07:47 <Tm_T> I know
Oct 29 14:07:53 <Tm_T> wilhelmb: 2 year warranty by law vs 14 day warranty by manufacturer
Oct 29 14:08:01 <Tm_T> wilhelmb: should affect still
Oct 29 14:08:24 <wilhelmb> oki
Oct 29 14:08:39 <wilhelmb> do you have an url to a cheap german webshop?
Oct 29 14:08:42 <wilhelmb> or importer
Oct 29 14:08:54 <Tm_T> no, but I got mine from pulster.de
Oct 29 14:09:24 <wilhelmb> you live in germany?
Oct 29 14:09:57 <transylvania> wilhelmb: if your interested french importer is http://bearstech.com/shop
Oct 29 14:11:19 <wilhelmb> ok, the problem is that the Norwegian Krone (NOK) is weak at the moment, so everything is pretty expensive
Oct 29 14:11:22 <Dave> fucking scap
Oct 29 14:12:38 <tomboy64> wilhelmb: german one is www.pulster.eu
Oct 29 14:12:46 <tomboy64> he ships at least european-wide
Oct 29 14:17:54 <wilhelmb> tomboy64: thx
Oct 29 14:21:19 <Dave> grr
Oct 29 14:21:46 <toggles_w> Dave: !
Oct 29 14:25:56 <Dave> Toggles
Oct 29 14:26:44 <Dave> damn germans
Oct 29 14:29:38 <alphaone> Dave: :-)
Oct 29 14:30:44 <Dave> oh and to finally answer your question, now that 15 minutes later scap finally loaded, jadams, yes it is a desktop switcher.
Oct 29 14:30:49 <Dave> Hey Alphaone :)
Oct 29 14:31:12 <alphaone> hey dave
Oct 29 14:32:39 <tomboy64> oi
Oct 29 14:32:47 * tomboy64 swings the german flag
Oct 29 14:33:12 <Torikun> any ASU users?
Oct 29 14:33:36 <Torikun> When you do a opkg upgrade, does it only say "Updating angstrom version"
Oct 29 14:34:20 <Hire1> because all the effort will spends on 2008.10
Oct 29 14:34:50 <Torikun> I have not seen any package upgrades for over a month
Oct 29 14:34:56 <Torikun> shouldnt there be software updates?
Oct 29 14:35:17 <Hire1> for 2008.9 ... no
Oct 29 14:36:13 <Torikun> does the angstrom updates provide any benefit?
Oct 29 14:36:17 <Torikun> or functionality?
Oct 29 14:37:01 <Hire1> none
Oct 29 14:37:15 <Hire1> you will see a minor updates very soon
Oct 29 14:37:19 <Hire1> as 2008.10
Oct 29 14:37:36 <Hire1> and it makes FR more stable and suitable as daily phone
Oct 29 14:37:52 <Torikun> angstrom makes FR more stable and suitable as daily phone? or 2008.10?
Oct 29 14:37:54 <Hire1> with a nice-to-see-omg-how-is-it-beatiful theme
Oct 29 14:38:04 <Torikun> When will 2008.10 be released?
Oct 29 14:38:15 <Hire1> no... the next minor updates, 2008.10
Oct 29 14:38:27 <Hire1> i can only say "very soon" :D
Oct 29 14:39:44 <Torikun> Is there a devel version
Oct 29 14:39:49 <Torikun> like daily build?
Oct 29 14:39:52 <Hire1> yes
Oct 29 14:39:56 <Hire1> if you want, you can test it
Oct 29 14:40:01 <Torikun> Yes!
Oct 29 14:40:03 <Torikun> How
Oct 29 14:40:16 <Hire1> but rembember, it ins't stable... for now
Oct 29 14:40:33 <Torikun> like the one I have is...
Oct 29 14:40:47 <Hire1> ok
Oct 29 14:41:00 <Hire1> but don't blame against om :D
Oct 29 14:41:03 <Hire1> poor guys
Oct 29 14:41:07 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 14:41:14 <Torikun> I am just saying a devel version of the latest cant hurt lol
Oct 29 14:41:26 <Hire1> are you sure?
Oct 29 14:41:40 <Torikun> We will find out once you post the link
Oct 29 14:41:45 <Hire1> devel version = nice tricky and unstable toys
Oct 29 14:41:46 <Hire1> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
Oct 29 14:41:51 <Torikun> this is my only cell phone and it is like ab rick
Oct 29 14:41:58 <Hire1> download it here
Oct 29 14:42:00 <Torikun> ty
Oct 29 14:42:02 <Hire1> and
Oct 29 14:42:16 <Hire1> if you want the nice-to-see edje
Oct 29 14:42:41 <Hire1> you need to do into ssh sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
Oct 29 14:42:58 <Hire1> and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart to restart the xserver
Oct 29 14:43:07 <Torikun> copy and paste those ?
Oct 29 14:43:10 <Hire1> yes
Oct 29 14:43:24 <Torikun> ty
Oct 29 14:43:41 <Torikun> use opkg upgrade to upgrade?
Oct 29 14:43:50 <Hire1> yes
Oct 29 14:43:51 <Hire1> but
Oct 29 14:43:57 <Hire1> you have only one app, settings
Oct 29 14:44:06 <Torikun> ?
Oct 29 14:44:20 <Hire1> you need to do opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11
Oct 29 14:44:35 <Torikun> no way to upgrade everything at once?
Oct 29 14:44:42 <Hire1> opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11
Oct 29 14:44:52 <Hire1> after you have flashed your FR
Oct 29 14:44:57 <Hire1> you need to do this
Oct 29 14:45:01 <Hire1> as I told
Oct 29 14:45:10 <Torikun> ok
Oct 29 14:45:17 <Hire1> next reboot the FR for GSM
Oct 29 14:45:41 <Hire1> but remember, it's unstable.. openmoko team works constantly on this
Oct 29 14:45:49 <Dave> Torikuns
Oct 29 14:45:54 <Torikun> Dave!
Oct 29 14:46:03 <Hire1> not-Dave
Oct 29 14:46:17 <Dave> Hire!
Oct 29 14:46:46 <Hire1> you still hate me
Oct 29 14:46:56 <slaxxin> mee too
Oct 29 14:47:00 <slaxxin> ?
Oct 29 14:47:05 <Hire1> yes
Oct 29 14:47:12 <slaxxin> yay
Oct 29 14:48:05 <slaxxin> everybody hate us americans
Oct 29 14:48:53 <d-b> yep
Oct 29 14:48:58 <d-b> )
Oct 29 14:49:30 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 14:49:55 <nyu> it's cool to hate
Oct 29 14:50:04 <slaxxin> researched the family tree an it turns out that my family came from iran through europe to america       
Oct 29 14:50:24 <slaxxin> a decendent of the real iceman;)
Oct 29 14:50:24 * cjb_ie denounces slaxxin as a terrorist
Oct 29 14:50:41 <nyu> or at least so says the offspring :-P
Oct 29 14:50:57 <slaxxin> oooo if i were a terrorist all your base would be GONE
Oct 29 14:51:17 <slaxxin> no messing around
Oct 29 14:51:20 <Torikun> and belong to US!
Oct 29 14:53:17 <markuman> i'm interesting of buying an openmoko...but will j2me work on it? for example for operamini or jimm?
Oct 29 14:53:31 <Torikun> Java does not work =(
Oct 29 14:53:35 <lindi-> sure it does :)
Oct 29 14:53:46 <Torikun> I could not run my app
Oct 29 14:54:03 <markuman> damn
Oct 29 14:54:22 <markuman> someone has answered me? i've closed the windows....was my mistake
Oct 29 14:54:24 <lindi-> Torikun: apt-get install jamvm?
Oct 29 14:54:32 <slaxxin> what the qtx anouncement is gone
Oct 29 14:54:38 <Torikun> opkg you mean ?
Oct 29 14:54:38 <lindi-> Torikun: or apt-get install cacao?
Oct 29 14:54:44 <lindi-> Torikun: nope, i suggest apt-get
Oct 29 14:54:45 <Torikun> I tried cacao
Oct 29 14:55:09 <slaxxin> will apt 
Oct 29 14:55:20 <slaxxin> wotk on omoko
Oct 29 14:55:25 <Dave> Hello Lindi
Oct 29 14:55:26 <Torikun> I get the exception errors when I run my app
Oct 29 14:55:31 <Dave> oh noes
Oct 29 14:55:34 <Dave> The java hates you. =[
Oct 29 14:55:35 <lindi-> Torikun: where can i get your app?
Oct 29 14:55:52 <Torikun> lindi-: http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?page_id=210
Oct 29 14:56:34 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 14:56:41 <Dave> Why would we want to? :P
Oct 29 14:57:14 <lindi-> Torikun: what's that chmod 777 for?
Oct 29 14:57:39 <Torikun> permissions must be changed for the app to run
Oct 29 14:58:13 <lindi-> Torikun: why?
Oct 29 14:58:23 <Torikun> to make it exce
Oct 29 14:58:28 <Dave> So he can install his rootkit.
Oct 29 14:58:29 <Torikun> *exec
Oct 29 14:58:39 <Torikun> feel free to not change the permissions
Oct 29 14:59:08 <Torikun> let me know if it still runs
Oct 29 14:59:22 <Torikun> lol Dave not root kits, the source is up there
Oct 29 14:59:22 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 14:59:42 <lindi-> Torikun: you have binfmt_misc.ko?
Oct 29 14:59:51 <Torikun> huh
Oct 29 14:59:54 <Torikun> dunno
Oct 29 15:00:07 <lindi-> Torikun: lsmod | grep misc
Oct 29 15:00:15 <Torikun> lindi-: reflashing is almost done
Oct 29 15:01:20 <lindi-> Torikun: but yeah, you use java 1.5 features that are not in gnu classpath
Oct 29 15:01:34 <Torikun> what features is that
Oct 29 15:01:39 <lindi-> Torikun: Scanner
Oct 29 15:01:44 <Torikun> ah
Oct 29 15:01:47 <lindi-> Torikun: but anyways, apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
Oct 29 15:01:58 <Torikun> I am using asu
Oct 29 15:02:01 <Torikun> not debian
Oct 29 15:02:10 <lindi-> Torikun: you can install debian to chroot
Oct 29 15:02:20 <Torikun> Is debian stable now?
Oct 29 15:02:26 <Torikun> how usable is it for messages and calls
Oct 29 15:02:49 <Torikun> I may switch if it worth it
Oct 29 15:04:19 <lindi-> Torikun: no need to switch completely, just use your java app from chroot
Oct 29 15:07:53 <Torikun> lindi-: are you using debian as the main os
Oct 29 15:08:38 <Torikun> if so, how is it
Oct 29 15:09:21 <lindi-> Torikun: it's easy to hack
Oct 29 15:10:37 <Torikun> how is functionality
Oct 29 15:10:46 <Torikun> and usability
Oct 29 15:10:50 <Dave> Security?
Oct 29 15:11:20 <Dave> Torikun, are you backin' up mah dataz?
Oct 29 15:11:33 <Dave> With your javaz
Oct 29 15:11:51 <Torikun> hellz yeagh davy
Oct 29 15:12:03 <Dave> :p
Oct 29 15:12:04 <Dave> cool
Oct 29 15:12:06 <Dave> Hope it works ;)
Oct 29 15:12:19 <Torikun> it does work
Oct 29 15:12:20 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:12:35 <Dave> uh huh... ¬_¬
Oct 29 15:12:51 <slaxxin> hackers
Oct 29 15:14:03 <Torikun> the new theme is cool
Oct 29 15:14:04 <Torikun> so far
Oct 29 15:14:43 <Torikun> iphone like
Oct 29 15:15:00 <kd8ikt_> illume??
Oct 29 15:15:05 <Torikun> yup
Oct 29 15:15:09 <wilhelmb> i get this problem in qemu (ubuntu hardy) s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38. 
Oct 29 15:15:15 <wilhelmb> what is the problem?
Oct 29 15:15:17 <bricode> Dave-o: be nice :)
Oct 29 15:15:17 <quickdev> Torikun, where did you get that theme from?
Oct 29 15:15:24 <Torikun> daily images
Oct 29 15:15:31 <bricode> Dave: don't be a jerk like me :)
Oct 29 15:16:03 <Torikun> good work open moko guys
Oct 29 15:16:16 <wilhelmb> i get this problem in qemu (ubuntu hardy) s3c_mmci_writew: Bad register 0x38. 
Oct 29 15:16:16 <wilhelmb>  what is the problem'
Oct 29 15:16:22 <Torikun> keyboard is cool
Oct 29 15:16:36 <Torikun> still hard to make a word
Oct 29 15:17:16 <kd8ikt_> need a full screen landscape keyboard
Oct 29 15:17:30 <kd8ikt_> how it would function i dont know
Oct 29 15:17:32 <Hiretto> Torikun: you can disable the dict
Oct 29 15:17:42 <Torikun> how
Oct 29 15:17:48 * kd8ikt_ prefers the "terminal" keyboard
Oct 29 15:17:49 <Hiretto> i don't remember :D
Oct 29 15:17:57 <Hiretto> yes, terminal is cool
Oct 29 15:18:06 <Hiretto> but now i can type fast with the normal keyboard
Oct 29 15:18:16 <Hiretto> only with my nice finger :)
Oct 29 15:18:27 <Hiretto> so, do you like it? 
Oct 29 15:18:33 <Hiretto> now it's VERY stable
Oct 29 15:18:37 <kd8ikt_> all that one handed keyboarding finnally pays off
Oct 29 15:18:50 <Torikun> everyone needs tocheck out the new trheme
Oct 29 15:18:53 <Hiretto> and om team does a very nice work on improvement as usability 
Oct 29 15:19:30 <Torikun> I want my backup software to work on it
Oct 29 15:19:31 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:19:41 <Torikun> how to replace Scanner with whateva GNU uses
Oct 29 15:19:48 <Torikun> stupid GNU
Oct 29 15:19:53 <quickdev> Hiretto, does the base image still contain the qtopa things?
Oct 29 15:19:53 <Hiretto> echo fix, ti caplypso buncing fix, resolv.conf configured with opendns and gsmhands.state with audio fix 
Oct 29 15:20:02 <Torikun> dialer is qt
Oct 29 15:20:04 <Hiretto> none
Oct 29 15:20:15 <Hiretto> you need to install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11
Oct 29 15:20:51 <[df]> what distro is this?
Oct 29 15:20:56 <Torikun> ASU daily build
Oct 29 15:21:07 <Torikun> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/
Oct 29 15:21:17 <quickdev> already downloading
Oct 29 15:21:31 <Torikun> I want to make apps for this phone!
Oct 29 15:21:32 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:21:43 <[df]> ta
Oct 29 15:22:47 <Hiretto> Torikun
Oct 29 15:22:49 <Hiretto> if you want
Oct 29 15:22:54 <Torikun> but...
Oct 29 15:22:56 <Hiretto> you can join into SHR
Oct 29 15:23:05 <Torikun> stupid java
Oct 29 15:23:49 <lindi-> Torikun: it is easy to hack, that should be all that matters for now :)
Oct 29 15:24:00 <Hiretto> yes
Oct 29 15:24:14 <lindi-> Torikun: gnu classpath has done a lot of work in reimplementing these
Oct 29 15:24:16 <Hiretto> but if he want can join on #openmoko-cdevel
Oct 29 15:24:23 <lindi-> Torikun: Scanner just wasn't done
Oct 29 15:24:28 <bricode> toolchains are a bit of a black art.
Oct 29 15:24:29 <Torikun> ah
Oct 29 15:24:31 <lindi-> Torikun: why not just use openjdk-6-jre now that we have it?
Oct 29 15:24:43 <Torikun> that will work?
Oct 29 15:24:53 <Torikun> opekg install  openjdk-6-jre ?
Oct 29 15:25:02 <kd8ikt_> heh
Oct 29 15:25:02 <lindi-> Torikun: apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
Oct 29 15:25:07 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:25:13 <lindi-> Torikun: or create package for your distro if it lacks it
Oct 29 15:25:34 <Torikun> I jus started Java, so that is a ways down the road
Oct 29 15:25:36 <lindi-> Torikun: i create openjdk package for debian for my own use two years ago when no official package existed
Oct 29 15:25:37 <[df]> how do the ASU daily builds differ from the FSO builds?
Oct 29 15:25:44 <kd8ikt_> i want to read more about the freerunner/android effort
Oct 29 15:25:57 <Torikun> kd8ikt_: any links! I want android!
Oct 29 15:26:14 <Torikun> lindi-: does netbeans do that easy?
Oct 29 15:26:17 <kd8ikt_> its in its infancy
Oct 29 15:26:17 <bricode> http://forum.koolu.org http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android
Oct 29 15:26:30 <lindi-> Torikun: what's netbeans?
Oct 29 15:26:30 <bricode> http://benno.id.au/blog/
Oct 29 15:26:36 <Dave> cthulhu
Oct 29 15:26:46 <Dave> don't send us your evil os
Oct 29 15:26:48 <Torikun> java IDE
Oct 29 15:26:48 <Torikun> l
Oct 29 15:26:49 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:27:04 <bricode> Dave: Quiet you, or they'll banish you to Costa Rica too.
Oct 29 15:27:05 <lindi-> Torikun: is that DFSG free?
Oct 29 15:27:28 <Dave> :p
Oct 29 15:27:38 <Torikun> huh
Oct 29 15:27:38 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:28:08 <Dave> That's quite enough lols out of you, Mister!
Oct 29 15:28:09 <lindi-> Torikun: were you talking to me or dave? ;)
Oct 29 15:28:16 <Torikun> u
Oct 29 15:28:42 <lindi-> Torikun: it's difficult enough to follow this channel without talking vertically :)
Oct 29 15:28:54 <lindi-> Torikun: but yeah, i don't see netbeans in debian
Oct 29 15:29:01 <Torikun> ah
Oct 29 15:29:09 <lindi-> hrm
Oct 29 15:29:17 <lindi-> wait a sec
Oct 29 15:29:35 <dolf1074> bricode: thanks for the update
Oct 29 15:29:45 <kd8ikt_> my brain hurts
Oct 29 15:29:50 <kd8ikt_> its bedtime
Oct 29 15:29:54 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 15:30:11 <Dave> What happened to you, kd8? Android?
Oct 29 15:30:15 <lindi-> Torikun: how much do you want netbeans?
Oct 29 15:30:40 <kd8ikt_> i nolonger have the patience to wait for these builds to error 
Oct 29 15:30:52 <Dave> :[
Oct 29 15:32:27 <kd8ikt_> main android news is that the source was recently released (no binary blobage) in turn that allowed whats his name to start porting the arm5 based android code to arm4
Oct 29 15:32:31 <lindi-> kd8ikt_: apt-get --build source newer fails :-)
Oct 29 15:34:17 <Dave> hah
Oct 29 15:34:19 <Torikun> when can we start installing android
Oct 29 15:34:21 <Dave> What's his name?
Oct 29 15:34:44 <Dave> It still doesn't solve any of the inherent freerunner issues.
Oct 29 15:34:45 <kd8ikt_> as far as i understand theres only like one person messing with it
Oct 29 15:34:45 <lindi-> Torikun: does that help with netbeans?
Oct 29 15:34:53 * Dave slaps the general public around with mwester
Oct 29 15:35:22 <break_free> kd8ikt_, by it you mean android?
Oct 29 15:35:31 <kd8ikt_> for the freerunner
Oct 29 15:35:46 <break_free> ah, that sucks
Oct 29 15:35:50 <kd8ikt_> i'll drink to that
Oct 29 15:36:07 <Dave> I'd think you would drink to pretty much anything right now :P
Oct 29 15:37:06 <kd8ikt_> isnt android like pure java?
Oct 29 15:37:16 <Hiretto> it seems to be
Oct 29 15:37:16 <kd8ikt_> C++
Oct 29 15:37:16 <Torikun> When will androind be easy to install on the neo
Oct 29 15:37:33 <Hiretto> Torikun before 21/12/2012
Oct 29 15:37:50 <Hiretto> and when Dave becomes the president of the world
Oct 29 15:37:59 <kd8ikt_> when everyone has an HTC/iphone/touchscreen smartphone
Oct 29 15:37:59 <spydon> Torikun, depends how you define easy ;)
Oct 29 15:38:15 <Torikun> how hard is it now
Oct 29 15:38:20 <kd8ikt_> like your 12yr old cousin
Oct 29 15:38:28 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:38:35 <Hiretto> if you want you can ports all calls from arm5 to arm4
Oct 29 15:38:42 <Hiretto> talk it with bricode :o
Oct 29 15:38:59 <Hiretto> and don't blame mwster... he watching you when masturbate :o
Oct 29 15:39:24 <Dave> Hiretto >:)
Oct 29 15:39:28 <Hiretto> mwester
Oct 29 15:39:36 <Hiretto> yeah
Oct 29 15:39:41 <Hiretto> i think so
Oct 29 15:39:46 <Dave> hahahhaa
Oct 29 15:39:46 <Hiretto> i am a devil >:)
Oct 29 15:39:50 <Dave> Apparently :P
Oct 29 15:39:58 <Dave> IT'S YOU, HIRE!
Oct 29 15:40:03 <Hiretto> yaha
Oct 29 15:40:07 <Dave> You can't hide from us!
Oct 29 15:40:10 <kd8ikt_> been toying around with debian live helper scripts and fso buildijng
Oct 29 15:40:15 <bricode> Armv5 to ARMv4 is non-trivial. 
Oct 29 15:40:24 <break_free> the daily builds don't have any phone software? 
Oct 29 15:40:42 <kd8ikt_> bare bone
Oct 29 15:40:44 <Dave> more arms!
Oct 29 15:40:56 <Hiretto> break_free you need to install it with opkg install task-openmoko-qtopia-x11
Oct 29 15:41:09 <Hiretto> after this, reboot 
Oct 29 15:41:18 <kd8ikt_> love that cowmoo
Oct 29 15:41:23 <break_free> crap, i'm on my university campus where I can't seem to connect by wifi
Oct 29 15:41:24 <Dave> YES
Oct 29 15:41:48 <Hiretto> and finally you will see new bugs popup under your nose
Oct 29 15:42:03 <Hiretto> because.. i am a devil >:)
Oct 29 15:42:10 <SpeedEvil> ?
Oct 29 15:42:13 <SpeedEvil> oh
Oct 29 15:42:14 <Dave> tykje
Oct 29 15:42:22 <kd8ikt_> have an entry in wpa_supplicant for your campus?
Oct 29 15:42:44 <break_free> it's not WPA, they netreg the mac address which I have done
Oct 29 15:42:54 <Dave> so, just auth
Oct 29 15:43:07 <Dave> which can be impossible, since the freerunner has terrible browser support :D
Oct 29 15:43:17 <Dave> and lacks support for ssl
Oct 29 15:43:20 <break_free> i can connect to the ap but can't connect to anything else
Oct 29 15:43:31 <Dave> yeah, nice.
Oct 29 15:43:55 <kd8ikt_> damn captive portals :P
Oct 29 15:44:45 <Dave> YES
Oct 29 15:46:08 <kd8ikt_> especially the ones that want you to pay, they always leave me with bluewifi
Oct 29 15:46:22 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 15:48:44 <sakkara> oh man, they really have to add a terminal pre-installed in the basic om2008x...
Oct 29 15:49:10 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 15:49:14 <Dave> did you have to opkg install it? :P
Oct 29 15:49:43 <Dave> I can't wait till 2009.X
Oct 29 15:49:56 <Dave> It will likely still have all the same problems.
Oct 29 15:50:03 <sakkara> no, i switched back to qtextended^^
Oct 29 15:50:17 <Dave> Perhaps a wise choice.
Oct 29 15:50:23 <Dave> perhaps.
Oct 29 15:50:26 <Torikun> i am installing qt now
Oct 29 15:50:26 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 15:50:27 <sakkara> xD
Oct 29 15:50:28 <Dave> I still think qtx blows.
Oct 29 15:50:36 <Torikun> qtopia 4.33
Oct 29 15:50:38 <Dave> Qtopia was 75x better.
Oct 29 15:50:42 <sakkara> 4.4.1 is nice
Oct 29 15:50:51 <Torikun> there isa newer one?
Oct 29 15:50:58 <Dave> NO
Oct 29 15:51:01 <Dave> USE THE OLD ONE
Oct 29 15:51:09 <sakkara> why?
Oct 29 15:51:12 * Dave beats Torikun with a freerunner
Oct 29 15:51:19 <Hiretto> why? 
Oct 29 15:51:33 <Hiretto> i use without problem the FR with the daily images
Oct 29 15:51:37 <Hiretto> and works very well
Oct 29 15:52:02 <kd8ikt_> http://qtextended.org/downloads/neo/qtopia-4.4.1-gta02-flash.tgz
Oct 29 15:52:17 <quickdev> Hiretto, I just downloaded...but I can't see a new theme
Oct 29 15:52:21 <sakkara> i use 4.4.1, and im happy with it^^ (well, happier then with om...)
Oct 29 15:52:28 <Hiretto> quickdev you need to do
Oct 29 15:52:47 <Hiretto> sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
Oct 29 15:52:53 <Hiretto> and next restart xserver
Oct 29 15:53:03 <Dave> switch themes
Oct 29 15:53:07 <Dave> or yeah, fix that typo :p
Oct 29 15:53:13 <Dave> silliness
Oct 29 15:53:19 <Dave> kd8, you on the radio?
Oct 29 15:53:40 <kd8ikt> mostly listen
Oct 29 15:54:03 <kd8ikt> this is my BS medium
Oct 29 15:54:34 <kd8ikt> guess i could psk or cw but :P thats a lot of work
Oct 29 15:55:47 <Dave> ah
Oct 29 15:55:53 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 15:55:56 <Dave> slacker
Oct 29 15:56:24 <Dave> Do you ever overhear anything interesting?
Oct 29 16:00:35 <kd8ikt> wx NOAA weather, and report nets during storms are fun "liek omg theres this goliath tree blocking 5th and main" ;) or some crazy guy with a gun running around downtown cincinnati, or the cab drivers/dispatch etc, 
Oct 29 16:01:06 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 16:01:17 <Dave> yeah, I figure it's more interesting here
Oct 29 16:01:22 <Dave> since way more shit happens
Oct 29 16:01:26 <Dave> around NYC
Oct 29 16:01:42 <Dave> plus people are always being dispatched or complaining :P
Oct 29 16:01:44 <ezekiel-v3> Dave, are you on?
Oct 29 16:01:53 <ezekiel-v3> I'm in NYC as well.
Oct 29 16:02:05 <Torikun> West Side!
Oct 29 16:02:06 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 16:02:09 <kd8ikt> i just own a crappy lil 2meter handheld local stuff rx 130-180mhz  tx144-148mhz
Oct 29 16:02:18 <ezekiel-v3> but I'm not liscensed
Oct 29 16:03:17 <kd8ikt> i like that its like a scanner but i can also transmit on my own lil playground band
Oct 29 16:03:41 <kd8ikt> so i can be liek omg i just herd on channel blah 
Oct 29 16:03:59 <ezekiel-v3> nice
Oct 29 16:04:02 <kd8ikt> or omg theres a tree lying on me the storm is terrible
Oct 29 16:04:38 <kd8ikt> and my power is out :( nopr0n 
Oct 29 16:04:59 <kd8ikt> i need some hardcopy
Oct 29 16:05:09 <kd8ikt> heh
Oct 29 16:05:31 <SpeedEvil> kd8ikt: there are providers of such services. 
Oct 29 16:05:37 <SpeedEvil> kd8ikt: some even in 3D!
Oct 29 16:06:17 <cjb_ie> make your own
Oct 29 16:06:18 <kd8ikt> got any capacitors
Oct 29 16:06:41 * kd8ikt sado
Oct 29 16:07:44 <Dave> :D
Oct 29 16:07:53 <Dave> ezekiel, who is? :P
Oct 29 16:08:30 <Dave> kd8, get a real transmitter.
Oct 29 16:08:33 <MadTBone> what's the current preferred way to sync calendar info (evolution or ical files) with OM?
Oct 29 16:08:36 <Dave> Construct one!
Oct 29 16:10:43 <kd8ikt> i was but i decided to buy the freerunner instead
Oct 29 16:10:43 <ezekiel-v3> haha, true
Oct 29 16:13:05 <Torikun> I should of bought a G1 instead
Oct 29 16:13:05 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 16:13:57 <Kensan_> He said Yehova.
Oct 29 16:13:59 <Hiretto> g1 suxs
Oct 29 16:14:11 <Torikun> g1 works
Oct 29 16:14:19 <Hiretto> fr works :o
Oct 29 16:14:41 * Torikun installs qtopia
Oct 29 16:14:49 <Hiretto> but why qtopia? :o
Oct 29 16:14:56 <Hiretto> i don't never get it 
Oct 29 16:14:57 <Torikun> it works.....more?
Oct 29 16:15:06 <Hiretto> it works for what? :o
Oct 29 16:15:14 <Torikun> we will see
Oct 29 16:15:33 <Hiretto> we can build a nice ;D together ;D distro for fr 
Oct 29 16:15:44 <Hiretto> based on FSO
Oct 29 16:15:52 <Hiretto> and EFL 
Oct 29 16:15:53 <Torikun> can fso text message?
Oct 29 16:16:06 <Hiretto> FSO can all you want ;D
Oct 29 16:16:16 <Dave> Freerunner HAM
Oct 29 16:16:57 <Torikun> is fso easy to install
Oct 29 16:16:57 <Hiretto> but fso is "only" a framework
Oct 29 16:16:57 <Torikun> lol
Oct 29 16:17:07 <Hiretto> omg :|
Oct 29 16:17:12 <Hiretto> no, it's too difficult :|
Oct 29 16:17:26 <Torikun> then...Qtopia!
Oct 29 16:17:29 <Hiretto> and however fso is a framework
Oct 29 16:17:30 <Hiretto> yes
Oct 29 16:17:33 <Hiretto> but remember
Oct 29 16:17:50 <Hiretto> when om releases om 2008.10.. flash it :o
Oct 29 16:17:58 <Torikun> Yup
Oct 29 16:17:58 <[df]> what, you don't want to send SMSs by hacking up a python script to send a dbus message?
Oct 29 16:18:01 <Torikun> I will
Oct 29 16:18:18 <Torikun> om just crashed (daily build)
Oct 29 16:18:23 <Torikun> that is why I am moving to QT
Oct 29 16:18:34 <Hiretto> as I told before
Oct 29 16:18:46 <Torikun> But I will get the OM
Oct 29 16:18:49 <Hiretto> it is devel version
Oct 29 16:18:51 <Torikun> I like the them
Oct 29 16:21:00 <Dave> Damn
Oct 29 16:21:14 <Dave> I can see myself walking around with a freerunner in hand and a giant antenna strapped to my back
Oct 29 16:21:17 <Dave> :D
Oct 29 16:21:49 <Torikun> Dave, antenna not supported yet
Oct 29 16:23:12 <mmu_man> damn :p
Oct 29 16:23:18 <mmu_man> sat dish maybe ? ;)
Oct 29 16:24:16 <Torikun> gsm barely works lol and you want a dish
Oct 29 16:26:14 <Dave> :D
Oct 29 16:26:17 <Dave> that'd be hot
Oct 29 16:26:23 <nemik> literally
Oct 29 16:26:30 <Dave> I'll do it up!
Oct 29 16:26:41 <Dave> Walk around with an antenna head.
Oct 29 16:26:48 <Dave> or small dish strapped to me
Oct 29 16:26:49 <Dave> funny
Oct 29 16:45:20 <Dave> moo
Oct 29 16:50:53 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07stabilization/milestone4 * rde3c6f522dba 10framework/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: 
Oct 29 16:50:53 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix MessageToneAction
Oct 29 16:50:53 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: This follows a change in {Audio,Vibrator}Action to tasklets
Oct 29 16:51:14 <slaxxin> lpotter any tips /??/"/?"_)
Oct 29 16:51:34 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r78bf758d8e77 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4'
Oct 29 16:56:49 <Torikun> How do you disable the dictionary in qtopia
Oct 29 16:57:09 <Hiretto> ehhh
Oct 29 16:57:17 <leinir> You don't - you install a dictionary for your own language ;)
Oct 29 16:57:18 <Hiretto> it's a long long LONG story
Oct 29 16:57:42 <leinir> A long story which involves un-free dictionaries for all languages but English ;)
Oct 29 16:57:55 <Torikun> the default keyboard predicts a word
Oct 29 16:58:03 <Torikun> and that is crap
Oct 29 16:58:07 <Torikun> terminal is too small
Oct 29 16:58:22 <leinir> Predictive keyboard isn't terminal-friendly, no
Oct 29 16:58:34 <Torikun> I want to text easier
Oct 29 16:58:36 <Torikun> that is all
Oct 29 16:58:52 <SpeedEvil> But what about when you're texting shell-scripts?
Oct 29 16:59:08 <Torikun> I do not do that
Oct 29 16:59:13 * leinir pokes SpeedEvil ;)
Oct 29 16:59:15 <SpeedEvil> wacky.
Oct 29 16:59:25 <Torikun> Isnt there a way to turn off the predictive kb
Oct 29 16:59:28 <Torikun> so you can type normally
Oct 29 16:59:49 * Dave spanks leinir
Oct 29 16:59:54 <leinir> Torikun: Not using the finger-tappy keyboard, though you *can* tap-hold to type single letters :)
Oct 29 16:59:55 * leinir murrs ;)
Oct 29 17:00:15 <Torikun> meh
Oct 29 17:00:19 <Dave> :p
Oct 29 17:00:27 * Dave slaps Torikun around a bit with a large keyboard
Oct 29 17:02:50 <Dave> I need more phone condoms.
Oct 29 17:04:21 <[df]> why, do you have a lot of phone sex?
Oct 29 17:04:28 * mmu_man sends some Win32.GenB over Dave
Oct 29 17:54:35 <Dave> hahaha
Oct 29 18:09:11 <Tig|> hi dave,  have I missed anything important?
Oct 29 18:10:00 <Dave> No, just more qt bashing, and iphone hating. :)
Oct 29 18:10:12 <Dave> and some hilarious stuff regarding law enforcement and radio operation.
Oct 29 18:11:17 <Tig|> so nothing new then :)
Oct 29 18:11:32 <Tig|> ew IRC client for emacs
Oct 29 18:11:32 <Dave> right :P
Oct 29 18:11:35 <Dave> hahaha
Oct 29 18:11:38 <Dave> fuck emacs
Oct 29 18:11:53 <Tig|> there are some seriously sick people on the net
Oct 29 18:12:13 * cjb uses said IRC client too.
Oct 29 18:12:20 <Kensan> Tig|: talking to me?!? *eye-twitching*
Oct 29 18:12:37 <Tig|> hehe :)
Oct 29 18:12:38 <[df]> hmm, I'd try that, but I'm happy with irssi
Oct 29 18:12:56 <Tig|> oh well it is reassuring to know you lot won'
Oct 29 18:12:57 * Dave fears cjb
Oct 29 18:12:59 * [df] is weird, he uses emacs for text editing
Oct 29 18:13:04 <Tig|> oh well it is reassuring to know you lot won't breed anyway :)   
Oct 29 18:13:07 * Dave high-fives df
Oct 29 18:13:12 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 18:13:12 <Tig|> (ret key fail)
Oct 29 18:13:14 <cjb_ie> emacs has a text editor too? wow.
Oct 29 18:13:20 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 18:13:25 <Dave> jerk :P
Oct 29 18:13:33 <[df]> Tig|: sure we will, we'll use find-girlfriend.el
Oct 29 18:13:42 <Tig|> hahaha :)
Oct 29 18:13:59 <Tig|> != forking a process...  :P
Oct 29 18:14:11 <Dave> o.O
Oct 29 18:16:52 <Tig|> was it something I said?
Oct 29 18:18:01 <Tig|> I wonder when that re-registering bug fix with filter from base into other images :)  I was really happy to see that one squished :)
Oct 29 18:18:43 <lindi-> Tig|: isn't adding one command so simple that you could do it yourself?
Oct 29 18:19:56 <Tig|> ah,  only saw the headlines had not looked at the fix yet
Oct 29 18:20:18 <[df]> ah, what was the fix?
Oct 29 18:20:32 <Tig|> dunno but apparently it is one command :)
Oct 29 18:21:16 <[df]> to the calypso?
Oct 29 18:26:39 <lindi-> AT%SLEEP=2?
Oct 29 19:39:57 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03zecke 07holger/enterprise-for-dev * re0ff9ff70c4b 10/ (51 files in 17 dirs): bluemchen wiese: Allow to disable certain ugly packages globally
Oct 29 19:46:01 <slaxxin> im gonna get the latest daily   an then use the fdomizer
Oct 29 19:47:35 <slaxxin> so why was the qtx anouncement removed anyways?
Oct 29 19:53:58 <Kensan> slaxxin: because the image is not available for download (yet).
Oct 29 19:54:31 <Tig|> qtx ?
Oct 29 19:54:55 <slaxxin> Qt extended
Oct 29 19:56:53 * Dave squishes Tig
Oct 29 19:58:16 <Tig|> oi!
Oct 29 19:58:22 <Dave> YES
Oct 29 19:58:29 <Tig|> NO!
Oct 29 19:59:02 <Tig|> brb
Oct 29 19:59:30 <Dave> bbq
Oct 29 19:59:50 <chi> mmmm bbq
Oct 29 19:59:53 * chi drools
Oct 29 20:00:40 * Dave mops up chi's drool
Oct 29 20:03:25 <toggles_w> beerz?
Oct 29 20:08:50 * Dave sends toggles SIGBEER
Oct 29 20:10:15 * toggles_w catches SIGBEER and returns SIGPIZZA
Oct 29 20:10:27 <Dave> D:
Oct 29 20:11:44 * Dave confiscates toggle's signal handlers
Oct 29 20:12:17 <toggles_w> too late, i longjmp()'d out..
Oct 29 20:13:23 <Dave> :[
Oct 29 20:17:41 <Dave> HIRE
Oct 29 20:21:16 <toggles_w> definatley time for beerz
Oct 29 20:21:43 <Dave> no
Oct 29 20:21:58 <Dave> Pizza, beer, programming time?
Oct 29 20:21:59 <Dave> :D
Oct 29 20:21:59 <toggles_w> NO?
Oct 29 20:22:04 <toggles_w> oh..
Oct 29 20:22:09 <Dave> pizza, beer, and mokos, what could be better?
Oct 29 20:22:20 <Dave> except for maybe perhaps the substitution of women for the mokos.
Oct 29 20:22:24 <Dave> But besides that :P
Oct 29 20:22:30 <toggles_w> no.. too much programming today, beer and fake (.)(.) barmaid time
Oct 29 20:23:17 <henkie> what happened to the latest qtextended?
Oct 29 20:23:36 <henkie> i saw it yesterday on the wiki as an announcement
Oct 29 20:23:44 <henkie> but it seems to be gone
Oct 29 20:27:27 <slaxxin> give it a day or 2
Oct 29 20:29:34 <Mercury_> I just altered my boot splash to have my phone number and photo 
Oct 29 20:29:43 <Mercury_> The assumption is thieves don't know linux :p
Oct 29 20:30:06 <Mercury_> So they wouldn't be able to fence it if I lost it.
Oct 29 20:33:13 <Tig|> Mercury_: actually that would make a quite nice feature :) 
Oct 29 20:34:18 <Mercury_> Part of the benefit of this is there's no way to change it from the interface .. thus confounding thieves with no mad linux skillz :p  I hope they never implement it there :p
Oct 29 20:42:22 <henkie> hmm, enlightment keeps crashing for my after entering my pin :(
Oct 29 20:42:29 <henkie> using latest fso
Oct 29 20:45:06 <slaxxin> between walmart an motorolla    Q1 is getting some air time
Oct 29 20:54:37 <uhsf> I wasn't really reading this channel lately. What's the general opinion here about Google open sourcing Android ?
Oct 29 20:55:19 <cjb_ie> embrace and extend!
Oct 29 20:56:00 <mjr> yeah, pretty much, sure, let's take what software makes sense from it
Oct 29 20:56:23 <mjr> the android phones, tivo crap
Oct 29 20:56:30 <uhsf> Does many people wish they could install Android on their FreeRunner ?
Oct 29 20:57:02 <mjr> *shrug*
Oct 29 20:57:03 <Tig|> uhsf: dunno about the general position but imho it is a different goal from OM really,  Android is it's own environment,  OM is more normal linux / x tech running on phones
Oct 29 20:57:38 <Tig|> yes android runs linux but not in a traditional way,  if you are coding for it you are not coding for a general linux environment 
Oct 29 20:57:57 <Tig|> actually for where I say linux here I should be saying *nix
Oct 29 20:57:58 <uhsf> I still have trouble making my mind about the OM platform.
Oct 29 20:58:00 <toggles_w> you are coding for a sunvironment
Oct 29 20:58:02 <mjr> yeah, it's almost just happenstance that there's linux underneath
Oct 29 20:59:09 <Tig|> although it is a very interesting idea
Oct 29 20:59:36 <mjr> well, the OM platform has trouble making its mind about what it is
Oct 29 20:59:43 <uhsf> it just seems openmoko wasn't meant to be full X environment from the beginning
Oct 29 20:59:47 <mjr> but at least it's *nixy
Oct 29 20:59:59 <[df]> I dunno, I consider fso to be kinda analogous to android
Oct 29 21:00:07 <[df]> personally I think fso will end up better
Oct 29 21:00:31 <Tig|> now what would be very cool is being able to run the android VM apps under OM at the same time
Oct 29 21:00:51 <[df]> hmm, that doesn't sound infeasible
Oct 29 21:00:55 <mjr> yes well, that's a likely eventuality
Oct 29 21:00:57 <[df]> I've not looked into android all that much thouhg
Oct 29 21:01:07 <[df]> s/hg/hg/
Oct 29 21:01:08 <henkie> actuall to be making a good phone call would also be very cool :)
Oct 29 21:01:19 <uhsf> like the freerunner hardware should've been stronger if it needs to run X
Oct 29 21:01:21 <[df]> pfffft
Oct 29 21:01:40 <mjr> it does require Someone(TM) integrating the VM with X and whatever phone stuff is popular at the time
Oct 29 21:01:41 <[df]> actually yes, tbh X seems to be overkill
Oct 29 21:01:54 <[df]> that's one reason I like qtopia
Oct 29 21:01:56 <Tig|> I love my freerunner,  it allows me to be antisocial and blame it on technology :)
Oct 29 21:02:22 * mjr prefers the fleXibility
Oct 29 21:02:27 <[df]> of X?
Oct 29 21:02:50 <[df]> but it's kinda for the wrong reasons, isn't it?
Oct 29 21:03:07 <mjr> I have no idea what you're talking about
Oct 29 21:03:11 <[df]> there's no good reason why a phone needs to run a networked graphical environment like X
Oct 29 21:03:44 <mjr> that's not the main point of running X on it and you should know that
Oct 29 21:04:00 <leinir> mjr: Nope, but that's the problem :)
Oct 29 21:04:05 <[df]> well, the main point is that it makes a lot of existing apps available I guess?
Oct 29 21:04:13 <lindi-> yeah
Oct 29 21:04:17 <mortenlysgaard> [df]; Wouldn't compitability with all the apps already existing be an argument?
Oct 29 21:04:22 <uhsf> X seems overkill.  i'd prefer to run my own arch linux, but then ressources and battery would be short
Oct 29 21:04:27 <[df]> but that's what I mean by 'the wrong reason'
Oct 29 21:04:30 <mjr> (though running crap remotely is fine too)
Oct 29 21:04:43 <mjr> [df], bullshit
Oct 29 21:04:53 <leinir> No, that's the right reason
Oct 29 21:04:58 <leinir> It's the wrong *solution* :)
Oct 29 21:05:01 <[df]> well you might as well run windows mobile if you want to be compatible with a lot of stuff
Oct 29 21:05:16 <Tig|> [df]: windows mobile is not compatable with itself
Oct 29 21:05:20 <mjr> more bullshit though from a different angle
Oct 29 21:05:41 <[df]> this is more a feeling than an opinion
Oct 29 21:05:50 <[df]> X seems like unnecessary overhead for a phone
Oct 29 21:06:05 <lindi-> [df]: you don't need to use it
Oct 29 21:06:06 <lindi-> :)
Oct 29 21:06:26 <[df]> and sure, X means you can run a lot of apps out of the box, except that 99% of said apps were not designed to be run on a mobile device with no keyboard and a small touchscreen
Oct 29 21:06:44 <[df]> yes, I know I don't
Oct 29 21:06:59 <mortenlysgaard> [df]; X is the industry standard. If we where to drop it we would have to make our own standard. That's something om don't have the resources to in the given time
Oct 29 21:07:05 <[df]> but all of the distros for the fr except qtopia are based around X
Oct 29 21:07:07 <lindi-> [df]: icewm runs fine, and xev, and xterm and ...
Oct 29 21:07:23 <uhsf> 2007.2 had no X
Oct 29 21:07:41 <gurugentoo> where does mokomakefile save the created image?
Oct 29 21:07:48 <mjr> uhsf, wrong
Oct 29 21:08:02 <[df]> well there're a few options
Oct 29 21:08:02 <lindi-> gurugentoo: find -name "*.jffs2"
Oct 29 21:08:05 <[df]> qt, obviously
Oct 29 21:08:11 <mortenlysgaard> yeah, it was based on x and gtk
Oct 29 21:08:13 <[df]> gtkfb, although I've no idea how good it is
Oct 29 21:09:01 <gurugentoo> lindi-: ah yes
Oct 29 21:09:25 <[df]> I know it's the standard, and I know there are good reasons for using it, but it just seems to me from a first-principles point of view to be the wrong thing
Oct 29 21:09:39 <mortenlysgaard> [df]; That's the point. We can't whine about an unstable phone, _and_ at the same time want an graphical server noone knows
Oct 29 21:10:03 <[df]> pragmatism :)
Oct 29 21:10:21 <lindi-> [df]: but again, you can run it without X if you like :)
Oct 29 21:10:30 <leinir> Which we do, happily :)
Oct 29 21:10:45 <uhsf> how?  text apps only?
Oct 29 21:10:56 <leinir> uhsf: qtopia or qt extended :)
Oct 29 21:10:57 <[df]> yes, I can, and the good thing is I can write a gui for fso that doesn't use X if I want
Oct 29 21:11:07 <[df]> so, er, I'll stop whining :p
Oct 29 21:11:08 <mjr> [df], seems probably because you have this mental image of X as a network thing. It's merely that too.
Oct 29 21:11:12 <[df]> just an opinion
Oct 29 21:11:15 * Dave plays with leinir's runlevels
Oct 29 21:11:25 <[df]> mjr: nah, I mostly have an image of X as a big, heavy thing
Oct 29 21:11:34 <toggles_w> Dave: i'
Oct 29 21:11:39 <Wonka> i tried phoning with my FR and a little aged fso-testing today... and i got no sound at all.
Oct 29 21:11:39 <mjr> that's not very well founded either
Oct 29 21:11:43 <toggles_w> ve told you before that thats not polite
Oct 29 21:11:46 <Dave> Hello wonka!
Oct 29 21:11:57 <Wonka> which images do work at least a little at the moment?
Oct 29 21:12:10 <mortenlysgaard> fdom
Oct 29 21:12:16 <leinir> qt extended 4.4.1
Oct 29 21:12:18 <lindi-> debian but it's not an image :)
Oct 29 21:12:34 <chi> 2008.9 works for me
Oct 29 21:12:43 <Wonka> lindi-: i am waiting for e17 and illume on debian... and i want some image in flash
Oct 29 21:12:52 <Wonka> lindi-: something as a fallback, so to say
Oct 29 21:12:59 <mortenlysgaard> I'we got the last fdom, works like a charm. But if you want to keep it that way, don't "opkg upgrade"
Oct 29 21:13:06 <lindi-> Wonka: i don't want e17 :)
Oct 29 21:13:08 <[df]> mjr: is it not?  X seems very complete and all-encompassing, which as I say seems overkill to me for an embedded device
Oct 29 21:13:08 * mjr still uses 2007.2 which is inconvenient but I need it to work mostly...
Oct 29 21:13:30 <lindi-> Wonka: i use icewm since it has existed for a long time and just works :)
Oct 29 21:14:02 <mortenlysgaard> Hehe, seems like we all use different distros :P
Oct 29 21:14:06 <Dave> fuck
Oct 29 21:14:08 <Wonka> lindi-: i am runnig xfce atm, with openmoko-panel-plugin. stupid keyboard always pops up at the top of the screen...
Oct 29 21:14:14 <Dave> UGGH
Oct 29 21:14:15 <uhsf> i also still use 2007.2 since early july
Oct 29 21:14:28 <lindi-> Wonka: matchbox-keyboard?
Oct 29 21:14:34 <gurugentoo> Dave: having some issues there?
Oct 29 21:14:34 <Wonka> lindi-: covering the terminal. and if i move it down, it starts fluttering when i use some of the lower keys.
Oct 29 21:14:37 <Wonka> lindi-: ack.
Oct 29 21:14:38 <uhsf> icewm is so overkill and not intended for a phone
Oct 29 21:14:39 <lindi-> Wonka: i use xvkbd since it can be placed to a configured place
Oct 29 21:14:41 <Dave> YES
Oct 29 21:14:46 <Dave> COULD YOU TELL?
Oct 29 21:14:57 <lindi-> uhsf: overkill?
Oct 29 21:15:07 <lindi-> uhsf: there's even icewm-lite package in debian
Oct 29 21:15:09 <mjr> I'd like to run debian, which would motivate me to develop a bit, but well. I just need the phone stuff to work too much.
Oct 29 21:15:14 <uhsf> xfce is even worse
Oct 29 21:15:15 <Dave> apparently resetting the freerunner for some strange reason with usb devices plugged into it while connected to my PC made it take a dump on my kernel
Oct 29 21:15:24 <lindi-> uhsf: yes xfce is heavy weight compared to icewm
Oct 29 21:15:25 <Dave> and just fucked up all my terminal windows with syslogd bullshit
Oct 29 21:15:28 <gurugentoo> Wonka: I use the matchbox wm with xfce and it puts the keyboard in the correct place
Oct 29 21:15:46 <uhsf> i can't believe you are running xfce on the freerunner
Oct 29 21:15:47 <lindi-> gurugentoo: no wonder matchbox wm works with matchbox kbd
Oct 29 21:15:47 <Dave> it looks like it also dumped the contents of several registers
Oct 29 21:15:52 <lindi-> gurugentoo: see a pattern? ;)
Oct 29 21:16:06 <uhsf> should be very unstable and short battery life
Oct 29 21:16:14 <Wonka> gurugentoo: worth a try
Oct 29 21:16:20 <gurugentoo> lindi-: well..ya that's kind of the point
Oct 29 21:16:24 <lindi-> uhsf: icewm on the other hand is rock solid :)
Oct 29 21:16:30 <mortenlysgaard> Btw, anyone of you know how to make opkg's?
Oct 29 21:16:33 <Wonka> lindi-: worth a try too :)
Oct 29 21:16:51 <lindi-> gurugentoo: so i switched to xvkbd since it has 10 years of history and works with any wm so i can switch to different wm in the future if i need
Oct 29 21:17:17 <uhsf> i run xmonad on a intel quad core, i would never use it on the freerunner
Oct 29 21:17:37 <lindi-> uhsf: probably because it needs keyboard?
Oct 29 21:17:40 <uhsf> these wm are meant to be used with a keyboard
Oct 29 21:17:59 <lindi-> icewm is quite easy to use without keyboard
Oct 29 21:18:03 <lindi-> </advertisement>
Oct 29 21:18:28 <uhsf> i'm not so sure about that
Oct 29 21:18:53 <lindi-> i can switch between workspaces and apps easily and start new programs
Oct 29 21:19:24 <uhsf> workspaces are so overkill for the freerunner
Oct 29 21:19:38 <lindi-> uhsf: sorry but i need them :)
Oct 29 21:20:04 <uhsf> i would never think about having more than one app at a time on this screen
Oct 29 21:20:16 <lindi-> then don't :)
Oct 29 21:20:27 <leinir> Hmm... i kinda think that a type of activities system would be fairly nifty, really...
Oct 29 21:21:16 <lindi-> but workspaces help me cope with the small screen, i can arrange some apps to one workspace and then when i need to do something completely different like write a shopping list i can do that on another workspace and later return to what i was doing
Oct 29 21:21:31 <uhsf> just need some full featured statusbar/panel to handle everything touchtype
Oct 29 21:21:57 <ronny> lindi-: arent basically all apps fullscreen anyway ?!
Oct 29 21:22:39 <leinir> lindi-: So... you basically use it as a categorised task bar? :)
Oct 29 21:22:52 <lindi-> leinir: hmm?
Oct 29 21:23:01 <lindi-> leinir: in a way maybe
Oct 29 21:23:03 <Dave> ronny!
Oct 29 21:23:06 <Dave> more vala please!
Oct 29 21:23:16 <lindi-> ronny: two xterms fit just fine
Oct 29 21:23:27 <Dave> great
Oct 29 21:23:30 <Dave> I blew up the usb bus
Oct 29 21:23:31 <lindi-> ronny: 80x25 xterms, that is
Oct 29 21:23:33 <Dave> just great.
Oct 29 21:23:55 <ronny> lindi-: how do you seriously work with that small letters (let alone the eye dammage)
Oct 29 21:24:02 <lindi-> ronny: so i can IRC and watch tcpdump output at the same time
Oct 29 21:24:05 <lindi-> ronny: yes
Oct 29 21:24:13 <ronny> Dave: why i?
Oct 29 21:24:31 <ronny> im busy writing ide's and being sad about the software state
Oct 29 21:24:50 <lindi-> ronny: i use 169x58 on my PC right now. i think this is 19" monitor, let me check
Oct 29 21:25:17 <Dave> heh
Oct 29 21:25:20 <Dave> what else is new?
Oct 29 21:25:21 <Dave> :P
Oct 29 21:25:30 <leinir> 1650x1050 on a 15" monitor :)
Oct 29 21:25:42 <leinir> so i'm used to tiny :)
Oct 29 21:25:47 * ronny values his eyes more
Oct 29 21:25:56 <lindi-> width is 36cm and my distance from the monitor is 80cm
Oct 29 21:26:08 * Dave watches leinir on his 30"
Oct 29 21:26:12 <ronny> hmm
Oct 29 21:26:19 <Dave> ronny, good call.
Oct 29 21:26:21 <Dave> I would too :)
Oct 29 21:26:21 <lindi-> let me work out how large each character is
Oct 29 21:26:36 <ronny> i'll have to hold a seminar about openmoko hardware stuff soon
Oct 29 21:26:55 <uhsf> my vaio ux is 1024x600 @ 4.5"
Oct 29 21:27:06 <henkie> hmm, enlightenment also crashes with SHR
Oct 29 21:27:12 <henkie> could it be my sim card?
Oct 29 21:28:13 <lindi-> ronny: so the display is 25 degrees in x direction from my point of view. that is 0.15 degrees per character
Oct 29 21:29:46 <lindi-> ronny: i get the same angle if i watch my phone at a distance of 21 cm
Oct 29 21:30:22 <lindi-> i hope i got all the math right :)
Oct 29 21:31:31 <ronny> wtf?
Oct 29 21:32:52 <mortenlysgaard> Hehe, scary thing that math bug ;)
Oct 29 21:33:56 <Tig|> mortenlysgaard: what math bug?  
Oct 29 21:34:09 <Tig|> we are not running P1 chips are we?
Oct 29 21:34:23 <lindi-> ronny: solve(169*(4.5)/x = 80*(36)/80, x),numer;
Oct 29 21:34:27 <lindi-> ronny: [x = 21.125]
Oct 29 21:34:38 <slaxxin> if we were these phones would be screamers
Oct 29 21:34:45 <lindi-> ronny: which part is unclear?
Oct 29 21:35:24 <ronny> lindi-: kinda scary
Oct 29 21:35:26 <mortenlysgaard> Tig|; Once it bites you, you begin to speak in numbers and formulaes. just look at lindi
Oct 29 21:35:35 <Tig|> eek!
Oct 29 21:36:03 <lindi-> ronny: but really the 80x25 terminal is not that hard to read if you have no extra dirt in the screen
Oct 29 21:36:44 <mjr> yeah it's fine
Oct 29 21:53:42 <Wonka> gurugentoo: does openmoko-panel-plugin integrate with matchbox-window-manager?
Oct 29 21:54:17 <lindi-> Wonka: mb has a panel i think
Oct 29 21:54:51 * Wonka starts aptitude on his notebook...
Oct 29 21:55:06 <Wonka> (it always takes soooo awfully long on the FR...)
Oct 29 21:55:54 <Wonka> lindi-: yes, matchbox-panel... do you use it? if not, how do you toggle matchbox-keyboard?
Oct 29 21:56:35 <gurugentoo> Wonka: it should...I still use xfce4-panel
Oct 29 21:56:53 <Wonka> gurugentoo: with matchbox-window-manager?
Oct 29 21:56:58 <gurugentoo> Wonka: yes
Oct 29 21:57:04 <Wonka> mhmh
Oct 29 21:57:09 <Wonka> will see...
Oct 29 21:58:58 <lindi-> Wonka: i use icewm
Oct 29 21:59:09 <lindi-> Wonka: openmoko-panel-plugin works with it
Oct 29 21:59:15 <lindi-> (but i don't use the panel plugin normally)
Oct 29 21:59:43 <lindi-> Wonka: i toggle xvkbd by clicking icewm tray
Oct 29 22:00:05 <lindi-> Wonka: so that AUX is completely free for my "push-to-record" application
Oct 29 22:01:28 <Wonka> mhmh
Oct 29 22:01:37 <Wonka> i want aux to be free too
Oct 29 22:01:50 <Wonka> at least not to have it toggle the keyboard
Oct 29 22:01:54 <lindi-> yep
Oct 29 22:02:08 <lindi-> next i want to liberate PWR button
Oct 29 22:02:15 <lindi-> but that needs changes to zhone or replacing zhone
Oct 29 22:11:09 <nomeata> Wonka: we install trayer for openmoko-panel-plugin by default in the current Debian installer
Oct 29 22:12:21 * Wonka invokes apt-cache show on that...
Oct 29 22:12:32 <Wonka> echo 'bus.get_object("org.freesmartphone.odeviced", "/org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/pcf50633_bl").SetBrightness(90);' | cli-framework 
Oct 29 22:12:42 <Wonka> why doesn't that one light up my screen now?
Oct 29 22:13:28 <uhsf> trayer for openmoko sounds very wrong
Oct 29 22:14:16 <uhsf> such thing should be implemented right into om itself
Oct 29 22:14:38 <CIA-50> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r24e4ec6658fb 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: audio: fallback to NullPlayer if GStreamerPlayer can't be launched
Oct 29 22:14:42 <lindi-> uhsf: om?
Oct 29 22:15:15 <uhsf> *OM
Oct 29 22:15:27 <lindi-> uhsf: but what does that mean here?
Oct 29 22:15:46 <lindi-> write a custom tray handler?
Oct 29 22:16:06 <uhsf> i don't want to start installing a tray application on the phone
Oct 29 22:16:27 <Wonka> mb-applet-menu-launcher *kill*
Oct 29 22:16:33 <lindi-> uhsf: would you still follow http://standards.freedesktop.org/systemtray-spec/latest/?
Oct 29 22:16:37 <Wonka> useless stuff it presents me!
Oct 29 22:16:52 <Wonka> "bulk rename" yes, tangogps and zhone no.
Oct 29 22:17:36 <uhsf> some people like me just want to be user of the openmoko, not necessarly developper
Oct 29 22:17:47 <lindi-> uhsf: i don't understand you, if it is integrated to "OM" then when you install "OM" you will install the tray app
Oct 29 22:18:37 <uhsf> i really like fine tuning my arch linux system but i just don't have the time to dedicate as much for a phone
Oct 29 22:19:12 <lindi-> same here, this is way i tend to use components that already exist instead of rewriting them
Oct 29 22:19:15 <lindi-> (icewm, for example)
Oct 29 22:20:02 <uhsf> i would just like a light and simple touch based gui that's ready to use
Oct 29 22:21:27 <uhsf> i know linux is about choice but i don't want to learn a whole other system to install apps on my phone
Oct 29 22:21:52 <uhsf> is your ice wm setup stable ?
Oct 29 22:22:02 <uhsf> is it debian?
Oct 29 22:22:56 <johngay> mwester here?
Oct 29 22:24:22 <lindi-> uhsf: yes and yes
Oct 29 22:24:43 <lindi-> uhsf: it's not a new system, it's the same debian system i use on my desktop
Oct 29 22:24:55 <uhsf> what if i try to install arch linux on the freerunner ?
Oct 29 22:25:21 <uhsf> how to use the phone features then?
Oct 29 22:25:34 <lindi-> uhsf: you package the phone app to arch linux
Oct 29 22:27:03 <uhsf> the most basic arch setup i can think of uses about 200 MB  how much has the freerunner already?
Oct 29 22:30:29 <SpeedEvil> you can fit 8G microSD
Oct 29 22:30:36 <SpeedEvil> there is 256M onboard.
Oct 29 22:30:52 <uhsf> only 128 MB ram
Oct 29 22:31:20 <uhsf> i guess a swap partition is important
Oct 29 22:31:37 <SpeedEvil> Think of it as a desktop of 6 or 7 years ago.
Oct 29 22:31:44 <SpeedEvil> 128M was quite adequate.
Oct 29 22:32:04 <Ke> isn't arch strictly x86 -distro
Oct 29 22:32:21 <uhsf> freerunner isn't x86 ?
Oct 29 22:32:45 <lindi-> uhsf: it's arm
Oct 29 22:32:45 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: yes
Oct 29 22:33:01 <uhsf> so it would be ok
Oct 29 22:33:13 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: no
Oct 29 22:33:21 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: You could I suppose run it under QEMU.
Oct 29 22:33:29 <Ke> !
Oct 29 22:33:43 <Wonka> hrmf...
Oct 29 22:33:55 <uhsf> so i just forget about arch on the freerunner
Oct 29 22:34:08 <Wonka> i made a small "buttons-daemon"... which does things on clicked or held power- or aux-button
Oct 29 22:34:22 <uhsf> then i prefer openmoko to debian in this situation
Oct 29 22:34:23 <Wonka> click pwr: start gpe-taskmanager
Oct 29 22:34:29 <Wonka> hold pwr: apm -s
Oct 29 22:34:34 <Wonka> hold aux: xterm
Oct 29 22:34:45 <Wonka> anyone got an idea for clicking aux?
Oct 29 22:35:00 <johngay> A guy at work was showing off his iPhone. He was amazed at the craps game where you shake the phone to roll the dice.
Oct 29 22:35:06 <Ke> Wonka: make a morse interpreter ;o)
Oct 29 22:35:39 <uhsf> i'd like to understand in what ways OM tweaked linux for it's purpoose
Oct 29 22:35:39 <Wonka> maybe mute/unmute...
Oct 29 22:35:51 <muxe> johngay : haha a guy at university today did the same to me ;)
Oct 29 22:36:29 <muxe> then i showed him monkey island on freerunner
Oct 29 22:39:07 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: not really
Oct 29 22:39:19 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: it's 'just' another distribution
Oct 29 22:41:50 <uhsf> but it should be focused on being small and boot fast...
Oct 29 22:43:20 <SpeedEvil> At the moment, it first needs to be a phone.
Oct 29 22:43:27 <ronny> muxe: epic win!
Oct 29 22:43:28 <SpeedEvil> It's not yet a reliable phone.
Oct 29 22:43:46 <Ke> shouldn't cell phones be on all the time
Oct 29 22:43:51 <SpeedEvil> Ke: no
Oct 29 22:44:04 <SpeedEvil> Ke: they should be asleep as deeply as possible between calls/uses.
Oct 29 22:44:21 <SpeedEvil> They should (in prtinciple) only boot when they absolutely have to.
Oct 29 22:44:33 <Ke> SpeedEvil: isn't that just suspend?
Oct 29 22:44:43 <uhsf> i'm trying to get a positive opinion of the qt/X environment. 2008.9 known issues from the wiki are not encouraging me to make the switch
Oct 29 22:44:46 <Wonka> boot once, only suspend afterwards
Oct 29 22:45:00 <SpeedEvil> Ke: in practice, looking at it from a hardware point of view, some of the states are pretty much off, with RAM alive.
Oct 29 22:45:19 <SpeedEvil> Ke: you have to basically 'boot' the processor.
Oct 29 22:45:34 <Ke> but still not boot the OS?
Oct 29 22:45:39 <SpeedEvil> Ke: no
Oct 29 22:45:44 <SpeedEvil> Ke: as RAM is alive
Oct 29 22:45:55 <Wonka> this mb-applet-menu-launcher is crap. i want something like it, but displaying a debian-style menu
Oct 29 22:45:58 <uhsf> asleep/suspend is fine. freezing in a coma is not
Oct 29 22:46:04 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: no.
Oct 29 22:47:58 <uhsf> some known issues from the wiki really bug me
Oct 29 22:48:15 <uhsf> let me ask about some
Oct 29 22:48:17 <SpeedEvil> known issues may be out of date. And no. I don't know if it is.
Oct 29 22:48:43 <uhsf> GSM not working properly after x hours.   Is it worse than with 2007.2 ?
Oct 29 22:49:11 <SpeedEvil> uhsf: do you have FR now?
Oct 29 22:49:53 <uhsf> i have an FR with 2007.2  order the 3rd of July
Oct 29 22:51:02 <uhsf> i know i should just try 2008.9 on a miniSD and stop asking questions but maybe it's better that i wait a while
Oct 29 22:51:10 <SpeedEvil> You might try backing up your existing image.
Oct 29 22:51:20 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - installing other stuff on SD is a good plan.
Oct 29 22:53:16 * SpeedEvil has no FR, so can't help much as I haven't tried recent images on it.
Oct 29 22:53:25 <uhsf> Cannot dial numbers starting with * or #.  this one is a little hard to settle with
Oct 29 22:53:43 <lindi-> what numbers start with *?
Oct 29 22:54:16 <uhsf> the one i have to call to add credit to my phone account
Oct 29 22:54:43 <uhsf> or know how much credit left
Oct 29 22:55:01 <lindi-> and i can call *99# just fine
Oct 29 22:55:28 <uhsf> on 2008.9 ?
Oct 29 22:56:40 <uhsf> Neo turns off before reaching x.   if this one is true i just have to wait with 2007.2 for a while
Oct 29 22:58:01 <SpeedEvil> Not all issues are seen by all users as I understand it.
Oct 29 23:02:00 <uhsf> i'll look into upgrading possibly during next hollydays when my exams are finished. would be nice if only i get a stable OM system by then
Oct 29 23:07:24 <lindi-> uhsf: by sending the command to the GSM chip
Oct 29 23:13:18 <uhsf> lindi-: what apps do you use for the phone features ?
Oct 29 23:14:06 <lindi-> uhsf: zhone at the moment
Oct 29 23:17:25 <uhsf> i could imagine everything being cli only, what's needed is a good on screen keyboard
Oct 29 23:17:55 <lindi-> menus are easier for choosing programs than cli still
Oct 29 23:19:06 <uhsf> does zhone have an x terminal ?
Oct 29 23:19:45 <gurugentoo> uhsf: zhone is just a dialer
Oct 29 23:20:10 <gurugentoo> with limited contacts
Oct 29 23:20:10 <uhsf> so you have xterm ?
Oct 29 23:20:15 <gurugentoo> yes
Oct 29 23:20:16 <viq> bah, the wireless on FR absolutelu sucks.
Oct 29 23:24:05 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 23:25:30 <Dave> guru :p
Oct 29 23:25:46 <uhsf> if 2009.8 is qtopia on X, why not use strictly qtopia ?
Oct 29 23:26:10 <gurugentoo> why is the font on FSO so tiny?
Oct 29 23:26:43 <gurugentoo> I just flashed the newest build
Oct 29 23:28:10 <johngay> Hey Dave!
Oct 29 23:28:59 <uhsf> is the point of openmoko over qtopia only to have a full linux to mess around with?
Oct 29 23:29:48 <johngay> No, it's to allow programming with any GUI tools instead of 'vendor lock-in' with qtExt.
Oct 29 23:34:49 <uhsf> where is there more 2008.9 screenshots ?
Oct 29 23:37:41 <[Rui]> uhsf: frankly, qtopia is a horrid piece of shit
Oct 29 23:37:59 <[Rui]> all these years, so much fame, all it's got is that?
Oct 29 23:38:18 <Dave> mokoporn
Oct 29 23:38:26 <uhsf> but openmoko is basically qtopia on X ...
Oct 29 23:38:32 <nyu> [Rui]: at least it's stable..
Oct 29 23:38:44 <[Rui]> nyu: hahaha
Oct 29 23:39:05 <nyu> [Rui]: it's the most stable option for FR I tried
Oct 29 23:39:09 <[Rui]> nyu: only compared to OM's driver support ;)
Oct 29 23:39:18 <nyu> what else would you compare it to?
Oct 29 23:39:35 <CVirus> Qt > *
Oct 29 23:39:48 <nyu> CVirus: ambigous redirect
Oct 29 23:39:54 <CVirus> hehe
Oct 29 23:40:05 <CVirus> that's a greater than sign
Oct 29 23:40:20 <[Rui]> I'm quite anxious for OM's stability and basics work, work on that, forget crappy qtopia
Oct 29 23:41:08 <Dave> :D
Oct 29 23:43:14 <[Rui]> nyu: no it's not upside down, how on earth did you do that? :D
Oct 29 23:43:14 <Dave> damnit, discharged again.
Oct 29 23:47:40 <uhsf> [Rui]: would you use a stable Google Android if it was ported to the FR ?
Oct 29 23:49:22 <johngay> I'd use anything that was stable on my FR.
Oct 29 23:49:32 * SpeedEvil will only use android when it fulfills the three laws.
Oct 29 23:50:23 <Wonka> lol
Oct 29 23:50:32 <Dave> hah
Oct 29 23:50:49 <johngay> Anyone know much about the G1 platform? someone mentioned the OS needs to be signed?
Oct 29 23:51:19 <[Rui]> uhsf: since it doesn't seem to be or promote Free Software, I'm rather inclined not to do so, *ever*
Oct 29 23:51:41 <Wonka> you know that would require it to do some things you do not want it to do and also to not do some things you want it to?
Oct 29 23:51:55 <Dave> yeah it's a bit paradoxical
Oct 29 23:52:07 <Wonka> wasn't Android opensourced?
Oct 29 23:52:26 <uhsf> it's open source
Oct 29 23:53:07 <[Rui]> uhsf: it's designed to be controlled by someone other than you, so no it's not :)
Oct 29 23:53:20 <johngay> So was tivo, but the boxes wouldn't run anything that wasn't signed, hence one of the reasons for GPL-v3
Oct 29 23:54:06 <uhsf> android is not really appealing to me, it's just that it'll apparently become quite big
Oct 29 23:54:25 <[Rui]> uhsf: for so much ado, I'm really surprised on how little it provides
Oct 29 23:54:50 <[Rui]> Ĩ wouldn't say the shakespearian nothing, though
Oct 29 23:54:51 <Dave> open tupperware.
Oct 29 23:55:05 <Dave> haha shakespearean
Oct 29 23:55:06 <johngay> android supposedly 'just works', don't pay any attention to the security expert who found out-dated expliotable libs on it.
Oct 29 23:55:36 <[Rui]> shakespearEan, yes :)
Oct 29 23:56:47 <johngay> Hey raster, hows business?
Oct 29 23:57:08 <raster> pants!
Oct 29 23:57:50 <CVirus> you're dealing in pants ?
Oct 29 23:57:54 <johngay> Sorry to hear that.
Oct 29 23:58:03 <raster> pants are good
Oct 29 23:58:18 <raster> they keep you covered
Oct 29 23:58:22 <gurugentoo> jeans or otherwise?
Oct 29 23:58:28 <CVirus> LOL
Oct 29 23:58:31 <raster> jeans
Oct 29 23:58:51 <Dave> what?
Oct 29 23:59:06 <johngay> Culture difference??? I thought pants meant poor.
Oct 29 23:59:12 <raster> hmm
Oct 29 23:59:12 <Dave> haha
Oct 29 23:59:14 <Dave> no
Oct 29 23:59:21 <Dave> he's just telling you to take off your pants?
Oct 29 23:59:25 * Dave runs
Oct 29 23:59:25 <raster> pants are stuff that coveres your legs and bum
Oct 29 23:59:34 <raster> god no
Oct 29 23:59:36 <raster> pants on!
Oct 29 23:59:43 <Dave> is that like spot on?
Oct 30 00:00:10 <johngay> So, . . . Is business good?
Oct 30 00:00:27 <raster> business as in the thing that makes money
Oct 30 00:00:34 <raster> or business as in "stuff/life"
Oct 30 00:00:47 <raster> or business as in the kind of business that involves pants being off
Oct 30 00:00:48 <raster> ?
Oct 30 00:00:49 <raster> :)
Oct 30 00:00:53 <johngay> As in your source of income since you left OM.
Oct 30 00:00:58 <raster> Dave:  no. it means put your pants back on
Oct 30 00:00:59 <raster> :)
Oct 30 00:01:09 <raster> johngay: aaah. its doing ok.
Oct 30 00:01:09 <[Rui]> raster: that third option seems atractive enough ;)
Oct 30 00:01:24 <johngay> Glad to hear that.
Oct 30 00:03:04 <Dave> haha
Oct 30 00:03:16 <Dave> oh, I had something for you today raster, let me go find it... (it was a picture)
Oct 30 00:03:21 <Dave> I found among my old stuff
Oct 30 00:03:23 <raster> johngay: i can eat and keep my internets going
Oct 30 00:03:25 <raster> thats good enouhg for me
Oct 30 00:03:26 <raster> :)
Oct 30 00:03:28 <Dave> haha
Oct 30 00:03:34 <Dave> and he keeps his pants on too!
Oct 30 00:03:40 <Dave> isn't that right raster? :P
Oct 30 00:04:02 <johngay> As long as you can keep coding for my FR, I'm happy.
Oct 30 00:05:02 <johngay> I don't care if you wear pants or not when you code.
Oct 30 00:05:19 <raster> hahahaha
Oct 30 00:05:28 <raster> don't worry - i'm working on it
Oct 30 00:05:37 <raster> right now just have to get my OE patches upsteram to OE
Oct 30 00:05:44 <raster> so oe.dev is up to date with efl and e
Oct 30 00:05:52 <raster> as well as a few other general fixes
Oct 30 00:06:16 <raster> like cleaner boot and moving x splash images to their own packages - making palmt650 mcahine stuff build...
Oct 30 00:07:19 <johngay> Sounds like you're a real inside man.
Oct 30 00:07:49 <johngay> http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3032tk8.jpg speaking of photos!
Oct 30 00:10:08 <raster> johngay: i'm just a busy man
Oct 30 00:10:26 <raster> what i care about is having a phone that doesn't suck
Oct 30 00:10:35 <raster> something that i can code for and hack with gay abandon
Oct 30 00:10:51 <raster> and i dont have to go lean some new sdk toolkit or language or use some special thnig to do it
Oct 30 00:10:57 <raster> i can do my regular stuff i do on my desktop
Oct 30 00:11:00 <raster> no different
Oct 30 00:11:21 <raster> so i can shgare work betwene desktop and phone - same apps, same ui's, same toolkit. same language.
Oct 30 00:11:33 <raster> just recompile (and maybe make sure thee ui adapts to work on a tiny screen)
Oct 30 00:14:50 <Dave> speaking of clothing... or lack thereof...
Oct 30 00:20:47 <gurugentoo> Dave: I like how no one responded
Oct 30 00:21:14 <Dave> Good thing too
Oct 30 00:21:16 <johngay> No one wants to thing of Dave without clothes.
Oct 30 00:21:20 <Dave> Since I didn't want to elaborate.
Oct 30 00:21:30 <Dave> John, if you were true to your nick, you likely would.
Oct 30 00:21:31 <Dave> :p
Oct 30 00:21:47 <johngay> That's just my name, not my lifestyle.
Oct 30 00:22:08 <johngay> Puberty was hell.
Oct 30 00:22:32 <johngay> What video formats can 2007.2 play?
Oct 30 00:22:50 <[Rui]> what's gta02v5-lowlevel.bin  and what "-a" value should I use?
Oct 30 00:22:58 <Dave> More like, what formats can it play WELL.
Oct 30 00:22:58 <Dave> :P
Oct 30 00:24:00 <johngay> Is there a simple CLI for mencoder or ffmpeg to create FR compatable vids?
Oct 30 00:24:40 <johngay> Then I need to figure out how to get the vid Onto my FR.
Oct 30 00:27:13 <johngay> I'd love to be able to show off http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ajxc28&s=4 on my FR (-=
Oct 30 00:27:34 <johngay> Instead of having to use my GP2X.
Oct 30 00:27:59 <[Rui]> has anyone tried a recent http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/ ? how's it doing these days?
Oct 30 00:28:08 <[Rui]> last I tried USB didn't seem to work anymore
Oct 30 00:38:06 <Dave> HOLY FUCK BATMAN
Oct 30 00:38:31 <johngay> What is it, Boy wonder!
Oct 30 00:38:35 <Dave> Note to all: Don't boot the freerunner from cold while connected to usb and a stereo system.
Oct 30 00:38:49 <Dave> It totally fucking fucked up the electrical and fried some shit.
Oct 30 00:39:02 <Dave> That WOULD explain what those loud popping sounds were.
Oct 30 00:39:11 <Dave> and why my kernel threw all these freaky messages
Oct 30 00:39:34 <johngay> Did the FR survive?
Oct 30 00:39:41 <Dave> Yeah
Oct 30 00:39:46 <Dave> but it won't connect to usb anymore
Oct 30 00:40:02 <gurugentoo> o crap
Oct 30 00:40:04 <Dave> but I think it killed my notebooks' usb at least temporarily
Oct 30 00:40:13 <johngay> That's not survived on my books.
Oct 30 00:40:49 <johngay> Wait, is the FR USB fsck'd or just the laptop USB?
Oct 30 00:40:52 <Dave> yeah so anything connected to either of the notebook usb ports now has no effect and the kernel no longer picks it up
Oct 30 00:41:10 <Dave> I hope it's just temporary, though I'd be more worried about the freerunner :P
Oct 30 00:41:17 <Dave> Even though I can always get another...
Oct 30 00:41:22 <johngay> So would I.
Oct 30 00:41:32 <Dave> I've had it on wifi ever since the incident this afternoon.
Oct 30 00:41:37 <johngay> A laptop is cheaper.
Oct 30 00:41:38 <Dave> so I didn't give it much thought
Oct 30 00:41:40 <Dave> haha
Oct 30 00:41:41 <Dave> :P
Oct 30 00:41:59 <Dave> fucking freerunner
Oct 30 00:42:04 <Dave> my subwoofer definitely took a hit
Oct 30 00:42:14 <Dave> and I think it burnt out my 2.5-3.5mm converter
Oct 30 00:42:25 <Dave> since it no longer produces sound with ANY of my mobile devices >:(
Oct 30 00:42:50 <Dave> The worst part of all, is I could of swore I saw something about not booting with something plugged in... somewhere recently... perhaps on the wiki.
Oct 30 00:42:59 <Dave> haha, I hope it wasn't me who wrote it, either.
Oct 30 00:43:51 <gurugentoo> so did it create a short when it booted?
Oct 30 00:44:02 <Dave> oh OH
Oct 30 00:44:04 <Dave> hahahahah omg
Oct 30 00:44:06 <gurugentoo> or put 5v out to the amp?
Oct 30 00:44:09 <Dave> That would certainly explain some things
Oct 30 00:44:14 <Dave> When I tried to restart it afterwards
Oct 30 00:44:18 <Dave> the battery showed it was at 0
Oct 30 00:44:25 <Dave> it showed the OM logo then died
Oct 30 00:44:29 <Dave> and I had to jump it
Oct 30 00:44:33 <_charly_> Dave: maybe your usb just shut down itself? it happened to me once, my laptop usb only provides 100mA, and charging something with more than that resulted in a kernel message (something with overcurrent and shutdown), but the usb worked again after turning off and rebooting the laptop
Oct 30 00:44:34 <johngay> Just a note: I seem to be getting about an hour extra time on my FR since using mwesters kernel and modules.
Oct 30 00:44:35 <Dave> so maybe it did?
Oct 30 00:45:00 <Dave> charly, if you saw my kernel messages, you would have shit yourself as well, I can assure you.
Oct 30 00:45:05 <Dave> I got NOTHING about overcurrent.
Oct 30 00:45:24 <Dave> I got TONS of stack info dumped, and then it dumped a bunch of registers in all my terminals, and then took a dump on me. :\
Oct 30 00:45:34 <Dave> it hardly looked benign.
Oct 30 00:45:38 <johngay> Since I was only getting 4-5 hours, thats a good improvement to me.
Oct 30 00:45:51 <Dave> But these things are quite resilliant, I wouldn't be surprised if a reboot made the usb work agan.
Oct 30 00:46:12 <Dave> Right now I'm charging the battery externally.
Oct 30 00:46:20 <Dave> Since obviously the PC options are totally fucked :D
Oct 30 00:46:27 <_charly_> i hope the best for your usb port :)
Oct 30 00:46:54 <Dave> though my biggest dismay is that it interrupted my studying time as it has simply been acting as a mobile streamer for a internet radio channel :P
Oct 30 00:47:12 <Dave> Haha, wow, in a way it has come full circle I suppose...
Oct 30 00:47:26 <Dave> Though it's not quite the shower radio I originally figured it'd be.
Oct 30 00:47:47 <gurugentoo> shower...
Oct 30 00:48:06 <Dave> hell it just showered my shit with electricity
Oct 30 00:48:14 <Dave> not cool kool-aid guy
Oct 30 00:48:23 <gurugentoo> heh
Oct 30 00:51:30 <Dave> I could totally see myself and joerg pulling up to sean's place right now with a nice usb-Y cable pulled taught in hand...
Oct 30 00:51:33 <Dave> >:)
Oct 30 00:53:00 <Dave> I'm fucking thankful this isn't my hifi system, and that as of five years ago I fuse all my valuable shit.
Oct 30 00:53:06 <[Rui]> ok, so I installed daily => no usb0 connectivity, no terminal, no nothing. is there hope?
Oct 30 00:53:43 <Dave> Rui, sounds just like 2008.9!
Oct 30 00:53:43 <Dave> :D
Oct 30 00:54:01 <slaxxin> reboot it rui
Oct 30 00:54:34 <johngay> There is hope. Go back to 2007.2
Oct 30 00:55:02 <[Rui]> slaxxin: what would a new reboot help at?
Oct 30 00:55:15 <[Rui]> johngay: nah, that's too bad for me
Oct 30 00:55:21 <johngay> Works with Windows (-;
Oct 30 00:55:50 <[Rui]> bah
Oct 30 00:56:03 <[Rui]> is 2008.8-update better than 2008.9 or the same?
Oct 30 00:56:11 <johngay> I still use it cause everything else I've tried is worse.
Oct 30 00:56:12 <Dave> John, yes!
Oct 30 00:56:38 <[Rui]> I'm sorry, I get confused with it. It seems daily is still not stable enough for me to try to do anything (in fact I can't do anything at all), so I'll have to go back
Oct 30 00:57:25 <johngay> And I refuse to flash my FR again until I can test out something for a week without finding problems with it.
Oct 30 00:57:37 <Dave> flash it like it's hot
Oct 30 00:58:40 <slaxxin> usb doesnt work untill reboot on some rootfs
Oct 30 00:59:46 <[Rui]> slaxxin: that's SO weird
Oct 30 00:59:54 <slaxxin> it is too
Oct 30 00:59:59 <[Rui]> slaxxin: but I'm trying now
Oct 30 01:00:18 <[Rui]> if it works, I won't pull back to Om2008.8
Oct 30 01:00:23 <[Rui]> if it works, I won't pull back to Om2008.8-update
Oct 30 01:01:45 <Dave> okay, so changing input currents to the freerunner at .5ms intervals is a BAD thing
Oct 30 01:01:48 <Dave> :D
Oct 30 01:02:14 <Dave> man, after all it's been through, I'm surprised it still works, John :p
Oct 30 01:02:17 <Dave> Melted in a car
Oct 30 01:02:26 <Dave> exploded on a usb bus
Oct 30 01:02:35 <Dave> dropped on the ground
Oct 30 01:03:13 <Dave> damn a few of them definitely deserve Veteran status :)
Oct 30 01:03:21 <[Rui]> slaxxin: yeah, usb0's working now
Oct 30 01:04:44 <Dave> Hooray!
Oct 30 01:05:08 <slaxxin> dont try flashing the latest an then run fdomizer
Oct 30 01:05:21 <Dave> slaxxin, you tell us man
Oct 30 01:05:29 <Dave> :)
Oct 30 01:11:37 <[Rui]> slaxxin: just one more thing, to get telephony back, I should do "opkg install qtopia-phone-x11" or it still misses more stuff?
Oct 30 01:11:58 <slaxxin> i think thats right
Oct 30 01:12:16 <[Rui]> let's hope so :)
Oct 30 01:12:44 <slaxxin> i did the latest daily yesterday an thats what i did
Oct 30 01:15:32 <[Rui]> slaxxin: and let me guess... reboot? :D
Oct 30 01:15:52 <slaxxin> ahh
Oct 30 01:19:20 <[Rui]> slaxxin: dialer bails out with an error
Oct 30 01:19:28 <[Rui]> I'm hoping it's enough to restart X
Oct 30 01:23:25 <[Rui]> seemed to do the trick, although e seems temperamental
Oct 30 01:23:37 <slaxxin> it does?
Oct 30 01:24:58 <[Rui]> slaxxin: 4 times it crashed before I could type my pin
Oct 30 01:25:13 <slaxxin> ahhhh
Oct 30 01:25:18 <[Rui]> anyways, after sending the pin it seemes to stop, so I just rebooted it
Oct 30 01:25:29 <slaxxin> did u turn off suspend?
Oct 30 01:25:51 <[Rui]> slaxxin: yup
Oct 30 01:25:54 <slaxxin> or atleast back up to 60 secs
Oct 30 01:26:09 <[Rui]> slaxxin: until the suspend bug is definitely solved, that's the first thing to do
Oct 30 01:26:38 <slaxxin> i have not had a problem with suspend lately
Oct 30 01:26:47 <[Rui]> slaxxin: with daily?
Oct 30 01:26:52 <[Rui]> I gotta try that then
Oct 30 01:26:52 <slaxxin> no
Oct 30 01:26:56 <slaxxin> fdom
Oct 30 01:28:04 <[Rui]> th sim pin app seems to freese, but I already see my operator name in the top icon, so I assume it's done connecting
Oct 30 01:29:07 <[Rui]> shit... it's not dialing
Oct 30 01:31:46 <[Rui]> and now e's crashing like crazy :(
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 30 01:32:09 2008

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 30 01:32:37 2008
Oct 30 01:34:09 <[Rui]> *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0046b030 ***
Oct 30 01:36:10 <[Rui]> *** glibc detected *** enlightenment: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0040bbe0 ***
Oct 30 01:45:21 <slaxxin> maybe u should do an md5sum on the image u installed
Oct 30 01:46:34 <[Rui]> slaxxin: to compare it with what?
Oct 30 01:47:06 <[Rui]> anyway, it's getting kind of late, almost 2am here, and I'll have a hard day of work and an Ubuntu dinner, tomorrow
Oct 30 01:47:25 <slaxxin> the md5sum values at the site where u dl the image
Oct 30 01:47:38 <slaxxin> yay
Oct 30 01:48:08 <slaxxin> are u a debinite?
Oct 30 01:48:26 <flavioribeiro> .br
Oct 30 01:48:33 <[Rui]> slaxxin: no, they're not
Oct 30 01:49:31 <[Rui]> slaxxin: I use CentOS, Fedora (standard & OLPC), Ubuntu, OE and OpenBSD :)
Oct 30 01:49:32 <slaxxin> maybe the latest bleeding edge rootfs has the reregistering bug fixed
Oct 30 01:49:57 <[Rui]> slaxxin: ah... so this is that bug?
Oct 30 01:50:08 <[Rui]> slaxxin: then Om2008.8-gta02-20081030.rootfs.jffs2  doesn't solve it, I'm sorry to say
Oct 30 01:50:13 <slaxxin> does it bother u?
Oct 30 01:50:37 <[Rui]> slaxxin: the bug? if it's the same, yeah...
Oct 30 01:50:54 <[Rui]> not being able to use the phone bothers me somewhat :) I know it's a daily but still... :)
Oct 30 01:54:14 <chi> restart assassin?
Oct 30 01:55:32 <[Rui]> chi: if you're talking to me, assassin is not even installed, I think
Oct 30 01:55:36 <[Rui]> at least it's not running
Oct 30 01:55:46 <TehZorroness> Hey everyone!  Does anyone know if there is a compiled version of the echo patch that I can cram into my freerunner?
Oct 30 01:56:20 <chi> no, i was trying to install illume-config and it failed and told me i should run restart assassin 
Oct 30 01:56:28 * chi shrugs
Oct 30 01:57:41 * [Rui] shrugs too... 2 am, good night everyone, good morning and afternoon for the others :)
Oct 30 01:57:54 <slaxxin> later
Oct 30 02:08:14 <CIA-50> openmoko: 03werner * r4733 10/developers/werner/wlan-spi/patches-tracking/ (12 files): Rebase to latest stable-tracking.
Oct 30 02:18:43 <slaxxin> latest shr coming up
Oct 30 02:28:14 <slaxxin>  I'm not responsible if you toast the USB port on your brand new laptop.
Oct 30 02:28:25 <slaxxin> dave
Oct 30 02:29:27 <slaxxin> shr   ooooo
Oct 30 02:34:31 <Dave> YES
Oct 30 02:40:31 <Sargun_Screen> Dave: ?
Oct 30 02:40:47 <Dave> Yes, Sargun?
Oct 30 02:46:53 <Sargun_Screen> why >19:34 < Dave> YES
Oct 30 02:48:48 <Dave> Oh OH
Oct 30 02:51:29 <slaxxin> the dialer in SHR is  sweet
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