**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 06 02:59:57 2008
Nov 06 03:05:14 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03charlie * r4758 10/developers/charlie/: Added my directory
Nov 06 03:20:14 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03charlie * r4759 10/developers/charlie/ (37 files in 2 dirs): initial import of my personal wiki
Nov 06 04:31:30 <slaxxin> wassa
Nov 06 04:51:38 <gurugentoo> slaxxin: wasabi?
Nov 06 06:40:19 <KenSentMe> Im running Android on the Openmoko Neo Freerunner using Sean McNeils images. Installing and running works, but the phone doesnt accept my PIN code for my sim card. Is that a know problem?
Nov 06 06:55:54 <JadeFalcon> KenSentMe: AFAIK the port isn't finished yet. Only the UI and some buttons are working for now, but not the other hardware like the gsm modem or the gps chip. This has to be done in the next phase. So i would not count this as  a bug
Nov 06 06:57:07 <KenSentMe> JadeFalcon, yeah, i saw some other reports on the pin not working on the mailinglist, but i wondered if anyone had a solution yet
Nov 06 07:10:28 <KenSentMe> JadeFalcon, fyi, calling with Android works when you disable the pin on another phone
Nov 06 07:19:01 <sakkara> KenSentMe: thx 4 info, also had the pin problem =)
Nov 06 07:19:34 <KenSentMe> sakkara, np. I am now able to make calls, but i found no way to answer an incoming call
Nov 06 07:20:30 <sakkara> lol^^
Nov 06 07:20:53 <sakkara> well, android is in very early stage for FR, its just to play around, not to use it...
Nov 06 07:36:10 <JaMa> isnt strange, that when I kill Xglamo and illume/zhone/e17, then frameworkd eats whole cpu and much more ram, then before?
Nov 06 08:57:55 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03charlie * r4760 10/developers/charlie/test_gsm/ (. test.py): Added test_gsm script
Nov 06 08:58:55 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03charlie * r4761 10/developers/charlie/Stuffs/ (. find_at.py): Added simple script to retrieve AT commands used by framework ogsmd
Nov 06 08:59:13 <Daramarak> Hi all.
Nov 06 09:00:28 <KenYoung> Daramarak, Hi!
Nov 06 09:00:41 <Daramarak> I am working on a reasonable norwegian dictionary for illume (reasonable is smaller than my currently 12MB one) and a norwegian keyboard layout. Am I reinventing the wheel?
Nov 06 09:09:36 <lindi-> apt-get install wnorwegian
Nov 06 09:11:04 <Daramarak> I did it, the dictionary is 12MB
Nov 06 09:11:14 <Daramarak> It is awfull slow
Nov 06 09:13:18 <lindi-> Daramarak: pick only those words that are in the dictionary and in your irc/email conversations
Nov 06 09:13:43 <Daramarak> Yeah, something like that 
Nov 06 09:14:16 <lindi-> i came up with a 23K dictionary with that :)
Nov 06 09:14:46 <cjb_ie> do you have a script to do it?
Nov 06 09:15:16 <lindi-> xvkbd web page has
Nov 06 09:16:34 <theblackbox> dictionary?? does it define, or just spell?
Nov 06 09:17:23 <theblackbox> always wanted to make a bot that collects defs in a freenode chan #definitions.... far too many discussions in #philosophy or #physics just boil down to basic definitions! lol
Nov 06 09:18:30 <lindi-> theblackbox: word list
Nov 06 09:18:42 <Daramarak> Yeah it is a word list
Nov 06 09:19:06 <theblackbox> yeah, I'd like to improve on it
Nov 06 09:19:13 <theblackbox> ;)
Nov 06 09:19:46 <Daramarak> But I cannot help thinking that these files should be compressed somehow.
Nov 06 09:20:50 <Daramarak> Then they would load faster and take up less "disk" space
Nov 06 09:21:32 <pb_> Daramarak: if you store the files in jffs2, they are compressed anyway.
Nov 06 09:21:46 <pb_> There isn't a whole lot of benefit from compressing them again.
Nov 06 09:22:03 <Daramarak> True... I didn't think of that
Nov 06 09:22:07 <cjb_ie> you want a data structure that'll make it easy/fast to predict next letter required, given letters so far.
Nov 06 09:22:32 <cjb_ie> ideally one that doesn't require decompression of the whole file
Nov 06 09:22:58 <Daramarak> I was thinking on something like that, that the datastructure inside the software is reflected in the wordlist
Nov 06 09:25:40 <Daramarak>  It should also be a trivial task to download keyboard layouts and dictionarys
Nov 06 09:26:52 <Daramarak> I doubt an end user would be happy to just "apt-get install wnorwegian, transfer files to so and so folder and restart enlightenment"
Nov 06 09:27:50 <raster> Daramarak:  right now in the illume images i build they force supportf of all locales that e has translations for
Nov 06 09:27:53 <raster> (thats a fair few)
Nov 06 09:28:10 <raster> as such i'd just include all the dicts by default and have a "filter only dicts for my language"
Nov 06 09:28:22 <raster> option added so u can only choose dicts for your locale
Nov 06 09:28:30 <raster> (unless u disable that)
Nov 06 09:28:38 <raster> its a long term plan
Nov 06 09:28:43 <raster> not all there currently
Nov 06 09:29:22 <jonsmith1982> 12 MB wordlist * (languages e supports) 
Nov 06 09:29:33 <Daramarak> ouch
Nov 06 09:30:27 <raster> jonsmith1982: the english dict is only 1mb
Nov 06 09:30:33 <Daramarak> A choice when installing illume would be nice. Select layouts and dicts, like many other oses
Nov 06 09:30:37 <raster> also remember its compressed on jffs2
Nov 06 09:31:28 <raster> in reality it'll use about 350-400k
Nov 06 09:31:47 <raster> Daramarak: right now e when u run it asks u for language - first thing
Nov 06 09:31:51 <raster> but they need to be installed
Nov 06 09:31:56 <raster> for it to offer a selection
Nov 06 09:32:54 <Daramarak> No lazy initializing
Nov 06 09:32:56 <raster> e alreayd supports fetching data like wallpapers, themes etc. remotely itself
Nov 06 09:33:10 <raster> (over http)
Nov 06 09:33:20 <raster> no reason it cant snarf dicts too later
Nov 06 09:33:33 <raster> but i'd like everything to work "out of the box" without having to go install extra stuff
Nov 06 09:33:37 <raster> or download things
Nov 06 09:33:44 <raster> if it east up a few mb of flash - then so be it
Nov 06 09:33:50 <raster> on the Fr u have 256m of it
Nov 06 09:34:05 <raster> plenty of space to burn to make sure something works out of the box
Nov 06 09:34:21 <raster> if u want u can go make N packages each one with a different dict
Nov 06 09:34:31 <raster> i dont mind - but i dont think it should be like that
Nov 06 09:34:44 <Daramarak> But there is still a matter of speed, the 12MB norwegian is too slow. Hampers my typing.
Nov 06 09:34:54 <raster> oh yeah
Nov 06 09:35:04 <raster> thats somethng i need to do with the dict format
Nov 06 09:35:08 <raster> its very verbose
Nov 06 09:35:19 <raster> its small for english because there are not declinations
Nov 06 09:35:21 <raster> or very few
Nov 06 09:35:27 <raster> i have a plan
Nov 06 09:35:33 <raster> i just wont get around to it for a while - no time
Nov 06 09:37:01 <Daramarak> Is it a good plan ;)
Nov 06 09:37:17 <raster> yes
Nov 06 09:37:28 <Daramarak> I have done some thinking on the matter, would be interesting to hear your ideas.
Nov 06 09:37:30 <raster> change dict format to have quick-jump bytes
Nov 06 09:37:32 <raster> to jump lines
Nov 06 09:37:35 <raster> (without scanning)
Nov 06 09:37:52 <raster> and be able to explicitly declare visible match vs inputted text
Nov 06 09:37:53 <raster> eg
Nov 06 09:37:59 <raster> i type in
Nov 06 09:38:32 <raster> "blos" but in the dict it says "display 'bloß'
Nov 06 09:38:38 <raster> so u have a line like
Nov 06 09:38:52 <raster> blos [bloß]
Nov 06 09:39:00 <raster> (well add in frequency too)
Nov 06 09:39:03 <raster> blos [bloß] 234
Nov 06 09:39:14 <raster> also add in declination
Nov 06 09:39:51 <raster> lauf [~en~e~t] 245
Nov 06 09:40:05 <raster> that will drastically rteduce dicts for no/se/de/it/fr/es etc.
Nov 06 09:40:23 <raster> as you'd just list the declination endings
Nov 06 09:40:41 <raster> the real big problem is how to gnereate such a dict
Nov 06 09:40:49 <raster> it'd have to have a really godo source
Nov 06 09:40:53 <laen> heh, cool
Nov 06 09:40:59 <laen> you can turn shit into scheisse
Nov 06 09:41:02 <raster> the current dict can be trivially generated by just throwing text files at a script
Nov 06 09:41:10 <raster> doing a word hash and frequency count
Nov 06 09:41:16 <raster> laen:  yes
Nov 06 09:41:21 <raster> thats a possibility
Nov 06 09:41:33 <raster> u can have dict matches that "display" something other than what u typed
Nov 06 09:41:35 <raster> the idea is
Nov 06 09:41:47 <laen> Hmmm.. with something like that you can create dicts that transform your text into robot-talk, drunk talk, etc.
Nov 06 09:41:51 <raster> a normal qwerty a-z kbd CAN cover all the accended chars in fr/de/it/ed/pt etc.
Nov 06 09:41:56 <raster> so in french
Nov 06 09:41:57 <raster> i do
Nov 06 09:42:04 <raster> (type: cafe)
Nov 06 09:42:06 <raster> and i get
Nov 06 09:42:11 <raster> café
Nov 06 09:42:16 <raster> (as an option)
Nov 06 09:42:29 <raster> this ALSO covers ansian languages
Nov 06 09:42:31 <raster> ie i type
Nov 06 09:42:35 <raster> sakana
Nov 06 09:42:36 <raster> and i get
Nov 06 09:42:42 <laen> Thats nice, i can't even type the é at home on my laptop.. too lazy to config it, and stopped caring about special chars.
Nov 06 09:42:45 <raster> さかな
Nov 06 09:42:50 <raster> or
Nov 06 09:42:54 <raster> 魚
Nov 06 09:43:11 <raster> (japanese romanisation mappign to the hiragana or kanji - theres more possibilities too...)
Nov 06 09:43:29 <raster> so the idea is a dict can not just correct typos
Nov 06 09:43:33 <raster> but be a shortcut for typing
Nov 06 09:43:35 <raster> save effort
Nov 06 09:43:39 <raster> AND
Nov 06 09:43:41 <laen> Sweet.
Nov 06 09:43:46 <raster> even handle input methods
Nov 06 09:43:53 <raster> the ONLY problem with the asian one is
Nov 06 09:43:56 <raster> there is no way to send
Nov 06 09:44:00 <laen> And is that installed by default or what package are we talking about?
Nov 06 09:44:02 <raster> 魚
Nov 06 09:44:06 <raster> to x as a keystroke
Nov 06 09:44:23 <raster> so the kbd would need to also do some tricky stuff i think with eithe rcopy and paste faking
Nov 06 09:44:30 <raster> or reverse input methopds
Nov 06 09:44:45 <raster> or a custom input method handler for gtk/qt and other widget sets
Nov 06 09:44:54 <raster> anyway
Nov 06 09:44:58 <raster> i'd like ti to be installed by default
Nov 06 09:45:14 <raster> normally a phone is set up for a group of languages by default
Nov 06 09:45:16 <laen> whats the anme of it?
Nov 06 09:45:21 <laen> name*
Nov 06 09:45:27 <raster> eg ina sia if u get a phone they do chinese, (traditional, simplified) english
Nov 06 09:45:29 <raster> thats it
Nov 06 09:45:36 <raster> in euroep u'll get a bunch of european langs
Nov 06 09:45:41 <laen> stop talking about it
Nov 06 09:45:46 <laen> and tell me the name of the package :P
Nov 06 09:45:53 <raster> oh
Nov 06 09:45:57 <raster> this doesn exsit
Nov 06 09:45:59 <raster> exist
Nov 06 09:46:04 <laen> oh lol
Nov 06 09:46:06 <raster> its a plan
Nov 06 09:46:09 <laen> but sounds like a good idea
Nov 06 09:46:17 <raster> Daramarak wanted to hear my plans
Nov 06 09:46:22 <laen> and it can be darn small too
Nov 06 09:46:31 <Daramarak> It was thinking of using a datastructure thats like a k-ary tree
Nov 06 09:46:34 <ernst> Obama
Nov 06 09:46:38 <raster> i have been thinking about trying the most universal solution i can think of to wntry of text world-wide
Nov 06 09:46:52 <Daramarak> That would compress the dictionary and make lookup simpler.
Nov 06 09:47:22 <ernst> can anyone tell me whats about ms4 fso ? Please. 
Nov 06 09:47:53 <methril> morning
Nov 06 09:47:57 <laen> Morning :)
Nov 06 09:48:55 <raster> Daramarak: i have kept clear of the tree structs
Nov 06 09:49:04 <raster> basically because either u fidn a way to keep it flat mmaped from a file
Nov 06 09:49:08 <raster> or u buiuld it in ram
Nov 06 09:49:09 <raster> if u build iut
Nov 06 09:49:14 <raster> every tree node needs pointers
Nov 06 09:49:17 <raster> pointers are big
Nov 06 09:49:20 <raster> 4bytes each
Nov 06 09:49:31 <laen> raster: now you're talking :)
Nov 06 09:49:46 <raster> so even a simple binary tree has 8 bytes ovehread per letter
Nov 06 09:49:49 <raster> plue alignment
Nov 06 09:49:51 <raster> plus
Nov 06 09:50:00 <raster> now if each letter isnt juyst 1 byte but utf8
Nov 06 09:50:07 <raster> its variable
Nov 06 09:50:10 <raster> so 3 pointer
Nov 06 09:50:12 <raster> (12 bytes)
Nov 06 09:50:28 <raster> or its a glyph id (32bits - 16bits isnt enough for unicdoe anymore)
Nov 06 09:50:32 <raster> so still 12 bytes
Nov 06 09:50:34 <raster> :(
Nov 06 09:50:53 <raster> i really dont like the feel of that
Nov 06 09:51:41 <raster> right now illume mmaps the dict file
Nov 06 09:51:47 <raster> that means if it isnt touched - it uses no ram
Nov 06 09:51:56 <raster> as its just paged from disk on demand
Nov 06 09:52:04 <raster> and thrown away when memory is needed
Nov 06 09:58:17 <Daramarak> I was thinking of a fileformat that supported the tree, so you could read and drop branches of the tree as needed
Nov 06 09:59:17 <raster> u want a format where u dont "read" the file
Nov 06 09:59:25 <raster> but mmap it and just walk the memory
Nov 06 09:59:31 <raster> thus u need a tree format that can be mmaped
Nov 06 09:59:43 <raster> and thus not have pointers but relative offsets
Nov 06 09:59:50 <raster> also maybe some way to get rid fo "pointers"
Nov 06 10:00:59 <Daramarak> Yes
Nov 06 10:01:37 <raster> ie flattening =rins of nodes
Nov 06 10:01:44 <raster> so they are just one after the other
Nov 06 10:01:51 <raster> at least break it into blocks
Nov 06 10:01:58 <raster> that indirect to eachother
Nov 06 10:02:07 <raster> so u have "clusters" of nodes
Nov 06 10:02:28 <raster> something that contains maybe 64 or so nodes togehter
Nov 06 10:02:41 <raster> than indirects out to other clusters only at the cluster edges
Nov 06 10:36:49 <Kensan_> raster: ping
Nov 06 10:45:14 <frank0> brokenmoko<3<3<3
Nov 06 10:46:03 <laen> Thats not possible inless you throw it from a 20+ floor :P
Nov 06 10:47:45 <laen> And then there's a big chance it hits a crater.
Nov 06 10:58:26 <Daramarak> raster: Is the prediction based on how close the "tap" was to the key or is it based on how often the word occurs?
Nov 06 11:02:53 <dns53> so how many have tried andriod?
Nov 06 11:03:20 <KenSentMe> I have
Nov 06 11:04:03 <dns53> how stable is it and how long do you think they need to keep working before it's usable by everyone
Nov 06 11:05:39 <KenSentMe> dns53, it's not suited for normal use atm. You need to turn off pin security on the sim and accepting calls didnt work on my phone. Also connecting to  Wifi-netwerks doesnt work. And you have to turn off the suspend mode, because the phone cant wake from suspend atm.
Nov 06 11:06:18 <dns53> yeah i've read some of those suggestions, does it work as a phone and do android applications work?
Nov 06 11:06:20 <KenSentMe> But it's nice to get a preview of android, especially in countries were the G1 isnt for sale
Nov 06 11:07:11 <KenSentMe> dns53, it doesnt work as a phone, because you cant accept incoming calls. Many android apps depend on internet connection and i havent managed to get that up
Nov 06 11:07:51 <dns53> it's amazing that they have done it so quickly, the source has been avalable for about 2 1/2 weeks
Nov 06 11:08:22 <KenSentMe> Yeah, i think the first stable version isnt that far away
Nov 06 11:08:34 <KenSentMe> Although im just a user, not a dev
Nov 06 11:10:58 <Kensan_> dns53: Sean has had prior access to the source and has been working on it for the last couple of months.
Nov 06 11:12:03 <dns53> cool
Nov 06 11:13:36 <Kensan_> dns53: I believe support for the Openmoko/Freerunner hardware is still somewhat missing so that needs to be integrated before it will work properly.
Nov 06 11:21:17 <pb__> mickeyl: good morning
Nov 06 11:21:38 <Fougner> :)
Nov 06 11:26:06 <rwhitby> FYI: the G1 can now be reflashed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442831
Nov 06 11:26:12 <rwhitby> Perhaps we can put Openmoko on it now ...
Nov 06 11:30:29 <Kensan_> rwhitby: interesting...
Nov 06 11:30:48 <Kensan_> pb__: hi
Nov 06 11:31:27 <Kensan_> pb__: do you have some pointers on how to compile an oe-image for thumb?
Nov 06 11:32:39 <pb__> hi Kensan
Nov 06 11:32:46 <pb__> did you see the note I posted to the oe mailing list?
Nov 06 11:33:46 <pb__> http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2008-October/006718.html
Nov 06 11:34:53 <Kensan_> pb__: sorry, I am not subscribed to that list.
Nov 06 11:35:32 <pb__> fair enough.  I think mickeyl was going to forward it to openmoko-devel but maybe he forgot.
Nov 06 11:35:48 <Kensan_> pb__: that was the kind of pointer I was looking for :)
Nov 06 11:35:55 <pb__> ok, cool
Nov 06 11:35:59 <pb__> let me know if you have any trouble
Nov 06 11:36:12 <Kensan_> pb__: I want to see what kind of impact this has on boottime.
Nov 06 11:36:20 <pb__> by the way, it seems you need gcc-4.2 (rather than -4.1 as currently used for openmoko) to get correct thumb code generation for some packages.
Nov 06 11:36:32 <Kensan_> pb__: yeah, I'll come back with stupid questions for sure :)
Nov 06 11:36:40 <Kensan_> pb__: ok, good to know.
Nov 06 11:36:55 <pb__> good luck :-)
Nov 06 11:37:01 <Kensan_> pb__: so there's some compiler-bugs in 4.1 regarding thumb?
Nov 06 11:37:18 <pb__> yeah, 4.1 was hopelessly miscompiling part of libcurl for me
Nov 06 11:38:05 <Kensan_> pb__: o_0
Nov 06 11:38:16 <Kensan_> pb__: hm python speedup sounds rather interesting.
Nov 06 11:38:47 <pb__> yeah.  it'd be interesting to build a profiled version of the python interpreter and see if there are any obvious places where it can be speeded up further.
Nov 06 11:38:49 <ronny> hmm
Nov 06 11:39:14 <pb__> in some cases you do get better code by compiling particular, performance critical routines as arm rather than thumb.
Nov 06 11:39:14 <ronny> python has various language features that massively slow it down unless one optimizes at runtime
Nov 06 11:40:13 <ronny> i think it will be more usefull to wait for gobject-introspection and write performance-critical parts in vala
Nov 06 11:40:43 <Kensan_> pb__: ah but thumb should yield better resulst "in general" I assume.
Nov 06 11:41:04 <pb__> Kensan: right, that's the theory (and seems also to be true in practice from my experiments)
Nov 06 11:41:26 <Kensan_> pb__: hm there's other interesting posts from you on that ML, maybe I should subscribe... :)
Nov 06 11:41:48 <pb__> it's a tradeoff between better icache/memory bus usage on one hand, and better core CPI on the other hand.
Nov 06 11:42:01 <CIA-52> openmoko: 03charlie * r4762 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (8 files): Updated pesonnal wiki
Nov 06 11:42:11 <pb__> thumb obviously has worse cpi than arm in the core, but on gta01 that seems to be outweighed by the memory system advantages.
Nov 06 11:42:36 <pb__> if you had a bigger cache, and/or faster main memory, the results would probably be different.
Nov 06 11:42:53 <raster> Kensan_:  pong
Nov 06 11:42:58 <raster> Daramarak: based on both
Nov 06 11:43:01 <raster> its a combination
Nov 06 11:43:18 <raster> so basically u press
Nov 06 11:43:28 <raster> and that gives a list of keys u possibly hit for that tap
Nov 06 11:43:34 <raster> some closer, some further from your press
Nov 06 11:43:46 <raster> the further from your press the higher the distance metric
Nov 06 11:43:47 <Kensan_> pb__: well the memory is THE bottleneck on the FR :(
Nov 06 11:44:02 <raster> so iy takes all possible letter u could have presses per tap
Nov 06 11:44:05 <raster> and all their distances
Nov 06 11:44:19 <raster> and checks all permutations agains the dictionary
Nov 06 11:44:22 <raster> finds matching words
Nov 06 11:44:28 <Kensan_> pb__: CPI?
Nov 06 11:44:51 <raster> works out a general "likelihood" metric combining the word frequency metric + distance metric
Nov 06 11:44:55 <raster> and then sorts by that
Nov 06 11:44:58 <Kensan_> raster: seems like the panny will be a bit late... (http://openpandora.org/blog.php)
Nov 06 11:45:46 <Kensan_> pb__: never mind :)
Nov 06 11:46:27 <Kensan_> pb__: would you know if somebody is working on supporting build of UBIFS rootimages in oe?
Nov 06 11:46:34 <raster> Kensan_:  hmmm. my order went thru the uk store...
Nov 06 11:46:41 <raster> bugger
Nov 06 11:47:06 <Kensan_> raster: hm mine too I believe... I am not sure though. Well I'll see when I get a mail.
Nov 06 11:53:56 <pb__> Kensan: cpi = clocks per instruction.  worse cpi means that you get less throughput for a given number of MHz.
Nov 06 11:54:52 <pb__> strictly speaking, thumb and arm have exactly the same cpi, but the "effective cpi" is worse for thumb because you need multiple thumb instructions (hence multiple clock ticks) to do the work of one arm instruction.
Nov 06 11:55:12 <pb__> Kensan: as for ubifs, not that I know of.
Nov 06 11:57:37 <Kensan_> pb__: yeah I was a bit confused by the acronym but once I figured out what it mean I got it :)
Nov 06 11:58:13 <Kensan_> pb__: hm maybe nobody is using 2.6.27 yet... but I believe it will become rather popular.
Nov 06 12:01:18 <Daramarak> raster: Is there a weight the two metrics? Mine seem to favor much used words even when I am spot on the letter
Nov 06 12:01:41 <Daramarak> that was "weight between the two metric"
Nov 06 12:05:55 <raster> Daramarak:  yeah - there's a weight
Nov 06 12:06:02 <raster> its hard-coded in
Nov 06 12:06:08 <raster> i'll have to dig up the code
Nov 06 12:06:53 <hackbert130> hi, does anybody know how to handle the "CRC Error" thrown by upoot-envedit? It happens to me since a configure-uboot.sh script for debian messed up my uboot environment. Ican actually only boot from nor (but i need up to date uboot)
Nov 06 12:07:46 <kd8ikt> yeah that happened to me aswell hackbert130 
Nov 06 12:08:02 <hackbert130> any fixes out there?
Nov 06 12:08:24 <kd8ikt> you can flash the u-boot_env  with the dfu-util
Nov 06 12:08:36 <hackbert130> i already tried the suggestions from wiki but no succsess
Nov 06 12:08:52 <kd8ikt> like   "dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -D bkupuboot_env.bin
Nov 06 12:09:05 <kd8ikt> but lemmie guess you have no backup ;)
Nov 06 12:09:19 <hackbert130> ouch jeo thats it
Nov 06 12:09:52 <kd8ikt> next time make a backup ;)
Nov 06 12:09:54 <hackbert130> no backup :( i was i bit fast with flashing when it came
Nov 06 12:10:01 <kd8ikt> but here i know where one is
Nov 06 12:10:03 <hackbert130> for sure
Nov 06 12:10:49 <hackbert130> so where can i search?
Nov 06 12:11:18 <kd8ikt> http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko
Nov 06 12:12:01 <hackbert130> thanks so much, i spend about a day with the boot shell, hope it works ...
Nov 06 12:13:39 <Daramarak> raster: It would be great to be able to configure it.
Nov 06 12:14:47 <raster> Daramarak: ther's a fixme there as for "is this the best way to do this"
Nov 06 12:14:50 <raster> should it be linear
Nov 06 12:14:54 <raster> should it be logarithmic
Nov 06 12:15:02 <raster> (distance callculation in general)
Nov 06 12:15:04 <raster> etc. etc.
Nov 06 12:26:07 <hackbert130> mhm even the backup environment refuses to work, is there a way to completely write uboot and environmet new (what are the lowlevel files for?). If i boot from nand there is only one option "Boot" wich wants to boot a debian from sd, and wich doesnt work
Nov 06 12:27:58 <kd8ikt> it didnt work?
Nov 06 12:28:36 <hackbert130> no, no changes :(
Nov 06 12:29:01 <kd8ikt> its supposed to put it back to all the default menu items etc
Nov 06 12:30:22 <hackbert130> yes me too, i completely dont understand whats goin on at the moment since uboot reads environment not from uboot_env partition
Nov 06 12:31:59 <kd8ikt> cause that should of worked
Nov 06 12:32:10 <kd8ikt> should've
Nov 06 12:32:18 <kd8ikt> should have :P
Nov 06 12:32:59 <kd8ikt> wonder if it matters what u-boot version 
Nov 06 12:33:44 <hackbert130> yea i thought the problem would be that i dont have a binary standard environment (=no backup) but thats not all ... I tried several versions of uboot (i HAVE a backup of uboot, i only forgot the env)
Nov 06 12:35:52 <hackbert130> well thanks kd8ikt if anybody knows what theese lowlevel.bin files are for, please let me know!
Nov 06 13:06:54 <Kensan_> mickeyl: ping
Nov 06 13:07:38 <Daramarak> raster: If it is configurable (linear, logarithmic, weights), people might experiment and find good settings. Perhaps some of them can be used to create profiles for the keyboard later. (Sloppy typing, Pin point, and perhaps a mode that makes it possible to type with a finger.
Nov 06 13:07:44 <Daramarak> )
Nov 06 13:08:03 <raster> Daramarak:  sure.
Nov 06 13:08:15 <raster> it makes sense
Nov 06 13:08:19 <raster> i just havent done it
Nov 06 13:08:24 <raster> its the least of my worries at the moment
Nov 06 13:08:25 <raster> :)
Nov 06 13:09:20 <Daramarak> raster: I understand, where is this code located by the way? Perhaps i'll have a look at it.
Nov 06 13:10:22 <raster> e_kbd_dict.c
Nov 06 13:10:28 <raster> in the illume moduel in e17's src tree
Nov 06 13:10:36 <raster>                        // FIXME: magic combination of distance metric and
Nov 06 13:10:36 <raster>                        // frequency of useage. this is simple now, but could
Nov 06 13:10:36 <raster>                        // be tweaked
Nov 06 13:11:20 <Daramarak> raster: Thanks. Ill have a look at it tonight, when I am done at work ;)
Nov 06 13:12:06 <raster> its commented
Nov 06 13:12:08 <raster> :)
Nov 06 13:12:44 <Daramarak> good
Nov 06 13:15:54 <Daramarak> raster: By the way, I really like the keyboard, its a marvelous idea, but I guess you understood that :)
Nov 06 13:18:33 <raster> hahaa
Nov 06 13:18:40 <raster> well trolltech did a lot of that
Nov 06 13:18:42 <raster> they had the idea
Nov 06 13:18:50 <raster> i just stole it and added improvements of my own
Nov 06 13:18:51 <raster> :)
Nov 06 13:18:58 <Daramarak> It is much better
Nov 06 13:19:08 <Daramarak> I could not stand the qtopia one
Nov 06 13:22:02 <Daramarak> But I would like a button to clear the whole prediction, and one to just toggle prediction and direct entry.
Nov 06 13:22:36 <Daramarak> Would it be possible to tweek with the config files, or must code be changed?
Nov 06 13:24:23 <dent> hackbert130: if your lowlevel.bin question is stil topical: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader
Nov 06 13:24:41 <dent> or, specifically: Download a small piece of code for low-level SDRAM timing initialization (overwrite 4k SRAM of steppingstone) 
Nov 06 13:24:53 <dent> (from the wiki)
Nov 06 13:29:28 <SpeedEvil> steppingstone is in ROM.
Nov 06 13:29:29 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
Nov 06 13:32:01 <dent> well, I don't partically understand that ^; my understanding just was that it initializes the memory somehow; I pasted the links as I bumped into that and saw a question about this flutter by
Nov 06 13:33:00 <SpeedEvil> Steppingstone is 48K of mask ROM, that's executed on power-on for the SoC
Nov 06 13:33:23 <SpeedEvil> It can boot from assorted sources depending on which pins are high or low.
Nov 06 13:37:49 <kd8ikt> found an easy way to carry around my stylus with my phone
Nov 06 13:38:38 <kd8ikt> first i pulled the stylus tip out of the pen and just sort of shove it into the side of the lil fag bag it came with 
Nov 06 13:38:48 <kd8ikt> <mesh>
Nov 06 13:39:22 <kd8ikt> that bag is great (its my screen protector) like hippies carry their bowls in those type bags ;)
Nov 06 13:41:18 <Daramarak> kd8ikt: So you removed the stylus from the pen?
Nov 06 13:41:31 <kd8ikt> yeah all i need is that lil green pointer
Nov 06 13:41:45 <kd8ikt> for detailed console work
Nov 06 13:41:48 <dent> yeah, the pointer can be easily pulled out of the pen
Nov 06 13:42:09 <kd8ikt> but you know how the bag has a mesh sides?
Nov 06 13:42:16 <Daramarak> Yes
Nov 06 13:42:26 <kd8ikt> just sort of weave it in there like a guitar pick on the strings
Nov 06 13:42:56 <kd8ikt> we'll see how long it takes for me to loose it
Nov 06 13:43:06 <kd8ikt> lose ;) lol
Nov 06 13:43:07 <Daramarak> Hmm, Perhaps some craftmanship would allow the whole pen in there :)
Nov 06 13:43:27 <kd8ikt> i dont see whynot but it'll make the sucker heavy
Nov 06 13:43:33 * SpeedEvil passes Daramarak a 14lb craftsman hammer.
Nov 06 13:43:39 <kd8ikt> heh
Nov 06 13:44:09 <Daramarak> Thanks SpeedEvil, ill use it to fine tune my creation ;)
Nov 06 13:44:24 <kd8ikt> i'm seriously in love with the arkanoid c64 sid file for zhone
Nov 06 13:44:30 <Kensan_> olv: hi there
Nov 06 13:44:56 <dent> I had an orgasm when I discovered there's a good old .sid :)
Nov 06 13:45:29 <dent> just thebeginning of the tune is a bit... unusual; I thought there's something wrong with the speaker when I heard it for the first time :)
Nov 06 13:45:44 <kd8ikt> chip music
Nov 06 13:46:16 <Kensan_> olv: I have a question regarding your posting to the devel ml: you said that it is possible to drop udev altogether. How would you replace the functionality? Could you elaborate a bit?
Nov 06 13:46:58 <kd8ikt> speaking of speakers mine arent the same the levels are different vol on one side is higher and almost non existent on the other
Nov 06 13:47:07 <dent> I used the occasiona and added a profile with some other sid, picking one of the many lying around on my hdd :)
Nov 06 13:47:29 <dent> btw. is the FSO terminal issue fixed in fso-testing?
Nov 06 13:48:38 <kd8ikt> what issue
Nov 06 13:49:21 <dent> last week there was an issue in FSO - the openmoko-terminal2 wouldnt run
Nov 06 13:50:19 <kd8ikt> i'm using fso on debian so... kinda spartan
Nov 06 13:53:03 <dent> I haven't found time yet to investigate this debian+fso, but it certainly sounds interesting
Nov 06 13:55:08 <kd8ikt> i think i need to make a lil jffs image
Nov 06 13:58:33 <dent> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/196 here it is :-(
Nov 06 13:59:44 <Dave> bah
Nov 06 14:03:51 <hackbert130> dent: Thanks for the hint, ill take a look at that, i still dont get my nand uboot to work, but i kepp my focus on a usable debian i think, since every connectivity works there ...
Nov 06 14:04:19 <kd8ikt> /usr/libexec/gnome-pty-helper
Nov 06 14:07:38 <jonkristian> DAVE!
Nov 06 14:18:59 <bricode> Is anyone here using a 2.6.26 kernel on their FR?
Nov 06 14:21:46 <hackbert130> how to use daily built if you cant ssh "no route to host" and no terminal? WTF?
Nov 06 14:26:37 <hackbert130> was only on first boot
Nov 06 14:33:32 <kd8ikt> missing the usb_net kernel module?
Nov 06 14:41:00 <Daramarak> Am I the only one having problems with receiving SMSs and having to wait for ages before it appears in the messagebox?
Nov 06 14:59:39 <lloyd_fedora1> is there any one working on a keyboard for android ?
Nov 06 15:02:06 <Dave> Jonkristian :p
Nov 06 15:02:14 <beni_> Ah the keyboard debate again
Nov 06 15:02:23 <toggles_w> Dave: where is the keyboard in android?
Nov 06 15:02:53 <gromez> there's no keyboard ...
Nov 06 15:02:57 <Dave> Uggh
Nov 06 15:03:03 <Zombywoof> Daramarak: No, I seem to have the same issue.
Nov 06 15:03:08 <Dave> Please be patient, toggles :)
Nov 06 15:03:22 <Dave> Good thing there isn't a camera to harass be about too :)
Nov 06 15:03:24 <toggles_w> Dave: ok, let me know when you've finished it
Nov 06 15:03:30 <Dave> Or else you guys would be asking about those bugs :D
Nov 06 15:03:35 <gromez> http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/10/24/android.virtual.keyboard/
Nov 06 15:04:03 <Daramarak> Zombywoof: I reload the whole message application, that usually fix it.
Nov 06 15:05:04 <Dave> daramarak, what distro are you having these problems with?
Nov 06 15:05:13 <Daramarak> 2008.9
Nov 06 15:06:31 <toggles_w> debian-gta02:~# apt-get compiz-fusion
Nov 06 15:06:32 <toggles_w> E: Invalid operation compiz-fusion
Nov 06 15:06:34 <toggles_w> damn..
Nov 06 15:07:04 <Dave> heh, yeah okay
Nov 06 15:07:15 <Daramarak> It is very annoying. I get the dialog where I should be allowed to read the new message, instead I am directed to an earlyer message.
Nov 06 15:07:19 <Dave> toggles?
Nov 06 15:07:23 <Dave> Daramarak, yeah.
Nov 06 15:07:25 <toggles_w> Dave: !
Nov 06 15:07:41 <Dave> Daramarak, but has the incoming message already been received or displayed?
Nov 06 15:07:57 <Zombywoof> Daramarak: How do you mean, you just restart the message-application or some service that handles sms?
Nov 06 15:08:11 <Daramarak> The message application
Nov 06 15:08:22 <lloyd_fedora1> if koolu plans to ship android on their phones in november .. r they gonna ship it without a keyboard ? cause that would suck
Nov 06 15:08:30 <Zombywoof> ok... I will try it later. Thnx!
Nov 06 15:08:35 <Daramarak> I am not sure if it works, but it gives me something to do while I am waiting for the message :)
Nov 06 15:08:40 <Zombywoof> =)
Nov 06 15:09:19 <Dave> heh
Nov 06 15:09:25 <Dave> woof woof :P
Nov 06 15:09:32 <Daramarak> Dave: I get a message that it is received, but it does not show up anywhere.
Nov 06 15:09:50 <Dave> -anywhere- ?
Nov 06 15:10:23 <Dave> In otherwords, it signals that one was received but doesn't displayed it? Does restarting the Messages application then display the last received message successfully?
Nov 06 15:10:40 <kd8ikt> how would i go about making a usb connector (male-male)
Nov 06 15:10:41 <Zombywoof> Then my issue is a bit different, I do not seem to receive sms instantly, it takes quite a while for them to arrive, but when I get the notification of a new sms I can view it right away.
Nov 06 15:11:03 <kd8ikt> just same colors together 
Nov 06 15:11:50 <Dave> eh?
Nov 06 15:12:09 <Kensan_> bricode: hi there. Are you trying to merge Freerunner patches into the Android kernel?
Nov 06 15:12:26 <kd8ikt> (like using a gender changer adapter
Nov 06 15:12:41 <Daramarak> I get a received signal, but I cannot see the message when I click yes too see it. When I see that I cannot find it in the list, I close the msg application and restarts it. Then usually I am able to find the message.
Nov 06 15:13:11 <Dave> kd8ikt: AH
Nov 06 15:13:15 <Dave> then yes, I believe
Nov 06 15:13:26 <Dave> I know this has been well documented online if you care to look.
Nov 06 15:13:35 <Dave> They have pinouts, diagrams, etc. :)
Nov 06 15:13:50 <Dave> (if you need it)
Nov 06 15:16:37 <kd8ikt> kinda doesnt matter just yet anyway cause i dont have the kmod for my usbdev
Nov 06 15:17:13 <kd8ikt> <cough> r8187 </cough>
Nov 06 15:17:31 <Dave> :p
Nov 06 15:17:52 <bricode> Kensan_: I've already got a patched 2.6.24 kernel, but Sean Mcneil has gone with 2.6.26
Nov 06 15:18:02 <Dave> hah
Nov 06 15:18:18 <kd8ikt> i'm about to break down and buy a SD card with neopwn
Nov 06 15:18:27 <Dave> o.O
Nov 06 15:18:31 <Dave> Try it out?
Nov 06 15:20:05 <Dave> Damn they're making money on that :p
Nov 06 15:20:12 <Dave> dolf o/
Nov 06 15:20:31 <kd8ikt> yeah
Nov 06 15:20:35 <kd8ikt> :P
Nov 06 15:20:52 <Dave> kd8, as they say on neopwn, Own it.. before it owns you!
Nov 06 15:21:08 <Dave> So, along those lines, you better hurry!
Nov 06 15:21:33 <kd8ikt> psha
Nov 06 15:22:11 <kd8ikt> just have to do it yourself with oe
Nov 06 15:22:41 <kd8ikt> badabing
Nov 06 15:23:38 <Dave> badaboom?
Nov 06 15:28:34 <kd8ikt> not very universal is it? usb...
Nov 06 15:28:54 <kd8ikt> they should be combo male/female  connectors
Nov 06 15:37:29 <mm> I want to write GUI programs in python. But when I say "import Tkinter" or "import gtk" they are not found. I am on OM2008.8. What should I do? FDOM?
Nov 06 15:40:58 <kd8ikt> found a new use for ide cablescraps
Nov 06 15:41:10 <kd8ikt> male/male usb
Nov 06 15:55:10 <Kensan_> bricode: ah ok. I was just wondering since you were asking about 2.6.26.
Nov 06 15:59:41 <bricode> Kensan_: The kernel images that most people use on OM are 2.6.24. Just wondering what the general use was for 2.6.26 based kernels. 
Nov 06 16:06:53 <mwester> bricode:  Pretty much zero -- the problem being that 2.6.24 is the *only* kernel that has any chance of resuming from suspend, due to the glamo problems.  Until Andy gets a workaround for that published, nothing except 2.6.24 is really usable by the community.  :(
Nov 06 16:07:58 <bricode> mwester: That's what I thought.
Nov 06 16:09:38 <mwester> I just wish we knew what the status of that problem was; Andy insisted it was "foremost on his mind and desk" some days (week?) ago, but there just seems to be nothing happening -- only GTA03 stuff.
Nov 06 16:10:14 <mwester> I'm getting a very bad feeling about Om and the GTA02 right now.
Nov 06 16:12:01 <Kensan_> bricode: I think just a couple lost souls are battling with anything different than the stock kernel.
Nov 06 16:12:27 <Kensan_> mwester: an QI of course...
Nov 06 16:12:51 <mwester> Oh yes. Qi.  (made necessary by GTA03, though)
Nov 06 16:14:19 <mwester> I just feel that it's close to where the community needs to send a GTA02 that has the WSoD symptoms to Harald, and then see if we can get enough contributions from the community to pay Harald to look at the problem.
Nov 06 16:14:58 <XorA> Im surprised he doesnt have one already
Nov 06 16:15:01 <Kensan_> mwester: I think Harald had a quick look at one of mickey 's FRs which shows the simptoms
Nov 06 16:15:10 <Kensan_> symptoms
Nov 06 16:15:44 <Kensan_> hm maybe we could ask the swisscom guys what they think...
Nov 06 16:15:45 <mwester> XorA:  Mickey had to go out there with a broken one.   I'm also unable to help as not only do I lack the knowlege, my GTA02 works perfectly.
Nov 06 16:16:07 * mwester never thought he would be wishing for a *broken* one! :-D
Nov 06 16:16:08 <XorA> I think its hardware unfortuneately :-(
Nov 06 16:16:18 <mwester> XorA:  Everything points that way now.
Nov 06 16:16:26 <timur> hmm, this may be a dumb question, but i'm wondering if it's possible to change the power used by the bt card in FR. i.e. is it possible to change the device class such that it changes power/range?
Nov 06 16:17:05 <XorA> mwester: from what Andy said, seems some phone are just on the edge with some signal timings
Nov 06 16:17:09 <hama> micro-sd  -  how big can i go? 16gb?
Nov 06 16:17:16 <XorA> mwester: is my guess from description anyway
Nov 06 16:17:17 <mwester> timur:  there is nothing exposed to do that in the stock kernel or BT firmware -- but perhaps someone has "hacked" that bluetooth device.  
Nov 06 16:18:12 <timur> mwester, all right, thanks. by the way what effect does setting the class with hciconfig have?
Nov 06 16:18:24 <tomboy64> hama: i think there's a compatibility sheet on the wiki
Nov 06 16:18:29 <tomboy64> have a look at that
Nov 06 16:18:50 <mwester> XorA:  At this point, I would think that even though it might be sub-optimal, can't we just reset the glamo and bring it up as if it was a cold power-up?   (I should ask Andy, I suppose.)
Nov 06 16:19:10 <XorA> mwester: I thought that was what his last patchset did
Nov 06 16:19:21 <XorA> mwester: but I lost track in the discussion
Nov 06 16:19:55 <mwester> Hmm... I'll go look.  If that works, however slowly, it would mean that we can consider the move to a newer kernel.  Werner's wifi work awaits us on the newer kernel, that would be good to have.
Nov 06 16:20:22 <XorA> mwester: I havent worked on the phone for 2 weeks or so, and I never suspend it
Nov 06 16:21:46 <mwester> Kensan: did you ever get your debug board working?
Nov 06 16:23:44 <mwester> WoooO!!!  :D  First time in a long time that fso-image built without a single fail/fix/restart !  (10 hours, though -- wow)
Nov 06 16:24:29 <kd8ikt> is milestone 4 out?
Nov 06 16:25:22 <mwester> No, that's why a clean build is so unusual -- the tip of the dev branch in OE is rapidly changing.
Nov 06 16:25:33 <mwester> And not just because of FSO activity.
Nov 06 16:26:15 <kd8ikt> i hear that
Nov 06 16:26:22 <Tig|> kd8ikt: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone4  <--- keep an eye on that page 
Nov 06 16:26:24 <pb__> oh, very good.  I should try that for myself, I haven't been able to build fso-image for ages.
Nov 06 16:26:28 <mwester> So now that I have a clean build, I can build an FSO-based toolchain/SDK, and if that works at all, I'll feel good enough about it to commit the recipe. :)
Nov 06 16:27:31 <mwester> pb__:  I think it was zecke's ENTERPRISE stuff he just committed that cleaned up the last of the issue I encountered.  It all looks good so far. :)
Nov 06 16:27:46 <pb__> excellent
Nov 06 16:28:02 * pb__ <3 zecke
Nov 06 16:28:51 <emilis_info> fdom rootfs download disconnects
Nov 06 16:28:58 <pb__> I'll start bitbaking immediately, before anybody else has a chance to break it again
Nov 06 16:29:06 <emilis_info> FF was silent about it
Nov 06 16:29:13 <emilis_info> I'm glad I have wget
Nov 06 16:29:13 <emilis_info> :)
Nov 06 16:30:07 <tomboy64> lol
Nov 06 16:32:56 <slaxxin> 2008.9/fdom is good
Nov 06 16:34:00 <emilis_info> 2007.11 or whatitsnamed that shipped with my Neo had better usability, but too many bugs
Nov 06 16:39:09 <igor321> how do i get the abc keyboard thing in the daily image?
Nov 06 16:39:15 <igor321> what do i need to install?
Nov 06 16:41:17 <dolf1074> Is here somebody with an android that boots, but also cannot call or get called. Or am I the only one with an android that doesn't want to call?
Nov 06 16:54:52 <Kensan_> mwester: not yet. I do get output garbled output from the serial console though.
Nov 06 16:55:04 <damkor> hi
Nov 06 16:55:10 <damkor> I need help
Nov 06 16:55:12 <Kensan_> mwester: but I also don't get access to uboot which seems strange. So something must still be off..
Nov 06 16:55:48 <damkor> when I start openmoko, it shows the logo (openmoko) in this yellow-and-black background, and nothing else happens
Nov 06 16:56:03 <damkor> it only happens if the usb cable is plugged
Nov 06 16:56:37 <damkor> I cannot turn it off, I have to remove the battery
Nov 06 16:57:14 <damkor> can anyone help me?
Nov 06 16:58:08 <[df]> what distro are you running?
Nov 06 16:58:14 <damkor> 2008
Nov 06 16:59:00 <[df]> have you flashed your bootloader?
Nov 06 16:59:07 <damkor> nope
Nov 06 16:59:22 <damkor> I bought the unit with a 2007, and updated without reflashing it
Nov 06 16:59:31 <[df]> oh
Nov 06 16:59:32 <damkor> because I thought it wasn't necessary
Nov 06 16:59:35 <[df]> I think that's not recommended
Nov 06 16:59:39 <damkor> but it now goes dead slow
Nov 06 16:59:45 <damkor> what's not?
Nov 06 16:59:53 <[df]> updating between distros
Nov 06 16:59:53 <damkor> reflashing or not reflashing?
Nov 06 17:00:00 <[df]> you could just reflash it to 2008 and see if that helps?
Nov 06 17:00:42 <damkor> hmm
Nov 06 17:01:21 <damkor> sure
Nov 06 17:01:23 <damkor> just one question
Nov 06 17:01:29 <damkor> I used this graphical program
Nov 06 17:01:32 <damkor> to do everything
Nov 06 17:01:49 <damkor> I provided the new kernel, and the new filesystem
Nov 06 17:02:03 <damkor> what you are asking me to do is to provide...
Nov 06 17:02:04 <damkor> ?
Nov 06 17:02:11 <Kensan_> mwester: could you help me with the debugboard issue by comparing my settings to yours in two or three hours from now?
Nov 06 17:03:55 <TAsn> hey, how come when i set the moko to usb host, connect something and do lsusb i don't see it? furthermore, the device isn't powered.
Nov 06 17:04:00 <TAsn> (the usb device)
Nov 06 17:05:23 <damkor> [df]: how do I do that?
Nov 06 17:05:33 <damkor> I can't find the right web :(
Nov 06 17:05:42 <damkor> (wiki page)
Nov 06 17:06:14 <damkor> (got it)
Nov 06 17:06:20 <[df]> sorry, being distracted by work
Nov 06 17:06:29 <[df]> you mean http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ?
Nov 06 17:07:10 <damkor> yeap
Nov 06 17:07:15 <damkor> but the question is
Nov 06 17:07:24 <damkor> I changed the rootfs and the kernel
Nov 06 17:07:29 <damkor> I didn't touch anything else
Nov 06 17:07:35 <damkor> is this what you were asking?
Nov 06 17:07:36 <kd8ikt> thats not a question
Nov 06 17:07:54 <damkor> Or shall I change something else?
Nov 06 17:08:41 <damkor> kd8ikt: yes it is, you have to be pacient, you see? ;)
Nov 06 17:08:48 <dent> just flash the rootfs and kernel
Nov 06 17:08:55 <dent> afaik, that is :)
Nov 06 17:09:13 <dent> there's a logo somewhere I guess, but that's not important
Nov 06 17:09:24 <dent> and probably no need to flash uboot
Nov 06 17:09:28 <damkor> well, that's what I did
Nov 06 17:09:46 <[df]> so that's what you meant by updated?
Nov 06 17:09:50 <pb__> mwester: doh, I still have a do_fetch failure in illume.
Nov 06 17:09:52 <dent> did? So you flashed 2008.x? I thought you're talking about 2007.x
Nov 06 17:10:25 <damkor> well, I might have misled you a bit, my bad
Nov 06 17:10:34 <damkor> yeap, I flashed the unit, but only the rootfs and the kernel
Nov 06 17:10:48 <dent> and ended up with not-booting fr?
Nov 06 17:11:01 <damkor> only when the usb cable is plugged
Nov 06 17:11:17 <[df]> plugged into power, or plugged into a computer?
Nov 06 17:11:43 <damkor> plugged into a computer
Nov 06 17:11:48 <damkor> didn't try with the power cable
Nov 06 17:37:51 <bricode> mwester: you still around?
Nov 06 17:39:07 <hama> is there a link for an image of milestone4?
Nov 06 17:40:01 <mwester> bricode:  between meetings, I'm around for a few minutes. :)
Nov 06 17:40:46 <emilis_info> how do I set timezone on my FDOM/Om2008.9? It doesn't change after editing /etc/timezone and rebooting
Nov 06 17:40:46 <bricode> Do you have your kernel source posted somewhere? I heard that your kernels are some of the only ones that suspend/resue reliably.
Nov 06 17:40:48 <emilis_info> :(
Nov 06 17:40:57 <damkor> hi
Nov 06 17:41:02 <damkor> I have another problem
Nov 06 17:41:16 <damkor> I get a "no GPS found" message
Nov 06 17:41:18 <damkor> in tangoGPS
Nov 06 17:41:37 <cjb> damkor: is gpsd running?
Nov 06 17:43:22 <mwester> bricode:  http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/openmoko-kernel/knife-kernel.git     (The latest "stable" kernels are on the mwester-stable branch, commit 291a9d500ccfade6814857d170ab14aed8a31142)
Nov 06 17:43:30 <damkor> nope
Nov 06 17:44:13 <bricode> mwester: Thanks. Looking to get a decent kernel for A.
Nov 06 17:44:49 <mwester> bricode:  I am actually somewhat perplexed by the claimed stability of those; I audited that particular commit against the Om stable branch, and the only difference was the GSM debugging code, and the defconfig -- that shouldn't be enough to make it suspend/resume differently, IMO.
Nov 06 17:45:09 <damkor> cjb: shouldn't it start automatically?
Nov 06 17:46:11 <mwester> bricode:  Also note that the tip of the mwester-stable branch is probably only stable for the GTA01 -- I think that resume is broken on that branch for the GTA02, but I do not have a v6 GTA02 with the WSoD problem so I can't really confirm it.  That's why the kernels I have are relatively old right now.
Nov 06 17:46:35 <bricode> mwester: Okay. Just wanted to check in with your status.
Nov 06 17:49:05 <Dave> Mwester is stable?
Nov 06 17:49:25 <cga> http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/alex-castellanos-obama-the-open-source-president/
Nov 06 17:49:35 <mwester> Oh no, you got that quite wrong.  Mwester himself is as unstable as room-temperature nitro.
Nov 06 17:49:43 <Dave> :D
Nov 06 17:49:53 <Dave> haha, that's what I thought ;)
Nov 06 17:50:49 <damkor> "Starting gpsd: No  GPS device, aborting gpsd startup."
Nov 06 17:51:25 <Dave> edit your gpsd default configuration
Nov 06 17:51:39 <Dave> or use gpsd /dev/ttySAC1
Nov 06 17:52:10 <damkor> hmm
Nov 06 17:52:14 <damkor> why is this happening?
Nov 06 17:52:28 <Dave> CONFIGURE GPSD
Nov 06 17:53:07 <damkor> yeah, but the question really is: isn't the hardware sort of fixed for all openmoko, and this kind of configuration could be provided working by default?
Nov 06 17:53:12 <Dave> open /etc/default/gpsd and see what it has in there
Nov 06 17:53:13 <damkor> or am I missing something?
Nov 06 17:53:27 <Dave> Yeah, it was changed, but not for all distros.
Nov 06 17:53:35 <damkor> I see
Nov 06 17:53:36 <Dave> or whoever originally packaged it.
Nov 06 17:53:38 * Dave shrugs
Nov 06 17:53:52 <Dave> GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1" is what should be set
Nov 06 17:54:12 <Dave> check it out, if it's different then that explains why it errors out (this is what everybody got, a long time ago)
Nov 06 17:55:36 <Dave> Yeah whoever originally packaged it was dumb and didn't think to check it out or something, or didn't change the default device to the appropriate one on the freerunner (I think it was originally set to dev tty3 or something odd, by default).
Nov 06 17:56:49 <damkor> well, it starts now
Nov 06 17:56:51 <Dave> jonkristian, hvordan går det med min norske venn? :]
Nov 06 17:56:52 <damkor> thanks, dave
Nov 06 17:56:55 <Dave> damkor \o/
Nov 06 17:57:21 <Dave> Now go find a window or go outside (under an umbrella if you're here), and wait a minute or two if you want a GPS fix :D
Nov 06 17:57:28 <jonkristian> Sådär
Nov 06 17:57:31 <jonkristian> :)
Nov 06 17:57:34 <Dave> :)
Nov 06 18:00:37 <damkor> can't get a position
Nov 06 18:01:00 <mwester> Yeah.  That's why Dave told you to go outside!
Nov 06 18:01:22 <damkor> I'm next to the window
Nov 06 18:01:42 <SpeedEvil> Some windows are not transparent to GPS.
Nov 06 18:01:46 <Dave> First make sure the GPS antenna is powered up
Nov 06 18:01:53 <Dave> Also, leave it there for ten or so minutes
Nov 06 18:02:26 <Dave> If after fifteen minutes goes by and nothing works, you should probably fuck with the glamo settings (provided you're using it with a microSD card).
Nov 06 18:03:23 <mwester> What SpeedEvil said -- very true.  The newer energy-efficient windows are very "non-transparent" -- I have them in my office here, and get a better GPS signal on my desk surface than on the window sill.
Nov 06 18:04:03 <mwester> damkor:  Also, place the FR in the "up" position -- use a coffee cup to hold it upright if necessary.
Nov 06 18:04:13 <SpeedEvil> An empty coffee cup.
Nov 06 18:04:17 <mwester> hehe!
Nov 06 18:04:53 <Dave> My window next to me amplifies GPS signals?
Nov 06 18:05:13 <Dave> Mwester, I personally found it works better if you simply place it IN the coffee cup!
Nov 06 18:05:30 <Dave> And yes, in a CLEAN and empty one :p
Nov 06 18:05:32 <Dave> silliness.
Nov 06 18:05:45 <Dave> I don't think ANYONE would ever offer insurance on a freerunner :P
Nov 06 18:05:50 <SpeedEvil> If you use a really hot cup of tea, the position can be almost infinitely off.
Nov 06 18:06:01 <SpeedEvil> Dave: I've got insurance on my GTA01
Nov 06 18:06:06 <Dave> Really?
Nov 06 18:06:13 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Nov 06 18:06:22 <Dave> Who offered it?
Nov 06 18:06:35 <SpeedEvil> I phoned several companies offering mobile insurance.
Nov 06 18:06:42 <SpeedEvil> Sorry, I don't have the details to hand.
Nov 06 18:06:54 <SpeedEvil> Used the first that wasn't bothered that they hadn't heard of it.
Nov 06 18:09:14 <Dave> I see, alright.
Nov 06 18:09:20 <Dave> I was just interested.
Nov 06 18:18:37 <SpeedEvil> Dave: http://eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk/index.php?id=445
Nov 06 18:22:00 <TAsn> can anyone here help me with something about fso dbus interface?
Nov 06 18:26:45 <Dave> Aha
Nov 06 18:26:51 <Dave> Tasn, is it failing you?
Nov 06 18:27:11 <TAsn> actually not
Nov 06 18:27:19 <emilis_info> haha OpenMooCow
Nov 06 18:27:26 <TAsn> it's just that there are many ways to understand each iface
Nov 06 18:27:30 <Dave> YES
Nov 06 18:27:51 <TAsn> for instance is it correct to use resource.disable to close gsm, or is it more correct to shut down the ant?
Nov 06 18:27:58 <TAsn> same goes for bt, wifi and etc.
Nov 06 18:28:08 <TAsn> what does disable actually do?
Nov 06 18:28:14 <TAsn> etc etc ;]
Nov 06 18:28:22 <TAsn> i had more better questions that i have forgot.
Nov 06 18:28:34 <Dave> usually it's if you trust it, otherwise they do the same thing
Nov 06 18:28:49 <Dave> some people who trust the api will still just manipulate the device's power state :p
Nov 06 18:29:11 <TAsn> im making a quick settings gui for few fso settings
Nov 06 18:29:16 <TAsn> bt/wifi/gsm power
Nov 06 18:29:21 <TAsn> and gprs connect/disconnect
Nov 06 18:29:23 <Dave> cool :)
Nov 06 18:29:27 <Dave> I hope it works!
Nov 06 18:30:08 <TAsn> it does
Nov 06 18:30:20 <TAsn> well except for gsm that i just finished and gonna give a try ;]
Nov 06 18:30:56 <toggles_w> Dave: have you finished the camera software for android yet?
Nov 06 18:33:13 <Dave> All sources point to No
Nov 06 18:33:19 <Dave> Please try again later!
Nov 06 18:33:32 <toggles_w> Dave: will do, I'll be back again soon
Nov 06 18:33:35 <Dave> Tasn, I hope the Bt settings work :)
Nov 06 18:33:45 <Dave> toggles - uggh - I'm sure :P
Nov 06 18:34:24 <toggles_w> dont sound so happy
Nov 06 18:34:35 <TAsn> Dave, they do
Nov 06 18:34:43 <TAsn> although that's just turn on and turn off
Nov 06 18:34:50 <TAsn> though that's enough for most parts.
Nov 06 18:35:44 <Dave> Tasn, yeah :p
Nov 06 18:35:53 <Dave> it doesn't have to be -that- smart, I guess :)
Nov 06 18:35:59 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 06 18:36:04 <TAsn> gotta add usb host
Nov 06 18:36:09 <TAsn> and that's enough for the meanwhile
Nov 06 18:36:26 <laen> Yay for gmpc!
Nov 06 18:36:48 <Dave> Yay for laen!
Nov 06 18:36:52 <laen> Yay!
Nov 06 18:36:54 <Dave> :)
Nov 06 18:38:02 <TAsn> damn
Nov 06 18:38:17 <TAsn> gsm doesn't like to be turned off.
Nov 06 18:38:51 <Dave> hah
Nov 06 18:39:08 <Dave> In my experience it didn't want to turn back on (correctly)
Nov 06 18:39:09 <TAsn> damn
Nov 06 18:39:19 <TAsn> moko doesn't like that either
Nov 06 18:39:21 <TAsn> it's slooowww
Nov 06 18:39:35 <Dave> and broken?
Nov 06 18:39:42 <TAsn> Dave, maybe i should try suspend/resume
Nov 06 18:39:48 <TAsn> (the gsm)
Nov 06 18:39:49 <Dave> oh god
Nov 06 18:39:50 <Dave> :P
Nov 06 18:39:57 <TAsn> anyhow, im hiding the button from now on ;]
Nov 06 18:40:25 <Dave> gray it out
Nov 06 18:40:35 <Dave> To disappoint or intrigue users :P
Nov 06 18:40:55 <TAsn> hehe ;]
Nov 06 18:41:00 <TAsn> and i have another issue
Nov 06 18:41:22 <TAsn> i can't find libmokoui2 python bindings
Nov 06 18:41:35 <TAsn> well, users will just have to deal with a non mokoish iface ;]
Nov 06 18:41:41 <laen> Openbox on the Openmoko.. meant to be <3
Nov 06 18:41:45 <TAsn> i.e regular gtk.
Nov 06 18:41:48 <TAsn> laen, hehe.
Nov 06 18:41:55 <TAsn> im off.
Nov 06 18:42:07 <TAsn> btw daMaestro 
Nov 06 18:42:10 <TAsn> Dave, *
Nov 06 18:42:18 <TAsn> bt and gprs work like a charm
Nov 06 18:42:34 <TAsn> same goes for wifi, though i don't know what's that for anyway ;]
Nov 06 18:43:00 <TAsn> cy.
Nov 06 18:43:03 <TAsn> cya.
Nov 06 18:43:23 <Dave> :)
Nov 06 18:49:53 <Daramarak> why was the moko designed completly round, it is impossible to make it stand!
Nov 06 18:50:15 <Daramarak> Ah, to sell mokostands!
Nov 06 18:50:54 <leinir> It stands fine! ...on its side :)
Nov 06 18:51:03 <Daramarak> True
Nov 06 18:51:11 <leinir> Rotate screen 90 degrees, hey presto ;)
Nov 06 18:51:31 <Daramarak> But how do I do that?
Nov 06 18:51:44 <Dave> daramark, yeah that's pretty stupid
Nov 06 18:51:50 <Dave> hahaha mokostands
Nov 06 18:51:51 <Dave> YES
Nov 06 18:52:02 <Dave> I already had to fashion a couple makeshift ones :p
Nov 06 18:52:22 <Dave> It's easier for me I guess
Nov 06 18:52:29 <Dave> I can just order leinir to sit there, holding it for me ;)
Nov 06 18:52:35 <leinir> *giggles* :)
Nov 06 18:52:49 <Daramarak> Lucky you
Nov 06 18:53:02 <leinir> Daramarak: It depends on the version of the software you run :)
Nov 06 18:53:51 <Daramarak> Well I run 2008.9, and I cannot seem to make it happen. It was those accelerometers, but they do not seem to do the trick.
Nov 06 18:53:58 <Dave> Daramarak, if you hold the AUX button for 3 seconds or so, does it come up with a menu enabling you to do that?
Nov 06 18:54:18 <leinir> There's... erhm... TapUntap or something like that :)
Nov 06 18:54:50 <Daramarak> I can only lock and ulock with the aux
Nov 06 18:55:06 <Dave> lame
Nov 06 18:55:12 <Dave> you could always try xrandr :D
Nov 06 18:56:37 <hackbert130> damarak: xrandr -d:0 -o right should do it (at least on my debian, but i think xrandr is the same on om)
Nov 06 18:58:48 <Daramarak> bloody hell, now my render keyboard is gone again
Nov 06 18:59:19 <Daramarak> The cat ate my headset, and now I think TangoGPS ate my keyboard
Nov 06 19:01:56 <Daramarak> render=raster
Nov 06 19:05:26 <Dave> hah
Nov 06 19:09:50 <Daramarak> has it really not been published a tool that reads accelerometers and rotates the screen?
Nov 06 19:11:10 <Daramarak> hmm, my raster keyboard does not work fine with a rotated display
Nov 06 19:12:16 <hackbert130> maybe tslib didnt notice the rotation had that issue a while ago but i reflashed since then ...
Nov 06 19:13:16 <Dave> Daramarak :[
Nov 06 19:13:26 <Dave> hackerbert, yeah, that's a debian thing...
Nov 06 19:13:44 <Tig|> Daramarak: yes there is a tool to do that I have used it in the past 
Nov 06 19:14:33 <orensbruli> I've just received my freerunner! I'm so excited :D
Nov 06 19:14:59 <Tig|> Quiet Dave!
Nov 06 19:15:07 <haakeyar> Bah, I'h
Nov 06 19:15:19 <haakeyar> (accidentaly pressed the enter key)
Nov 06 19:15:23 <Daramarak> orensbruli: Congratulations!
Nov 06 19:16:25 <haakeyar> Daramarak: Does the keyboard dissapear completely or do you instead see the qtopia keyboard?
Nov 06 19:16:34 <Dave> haha
Nov 06 19:16:50 <Dave> Qtopia??
Nov 06 19:16:52 <Daramarak> I see the qtopia one, I disabled it.
Nov 06 19:16:55 <Tig|> I had a keyboard but tangogps eated it?  :P
Nov 06 19:17:00 <Dave> What's going on?
Nov 06 19:17:11 <Dave> Furthermore, what the fuck are you people talking about?
Nov 06 19:17:21 <toggles_w> Dave: android silly
Nov 06 19:18:29 <Tig|> (uk joke) would a silly android advertise mashed potato?
Nov 06 19:18:30 <Daramarak> But now after a quick suspend and resume the screen is shifted so while earlyer i pressed on the screen and got a tap a complete other place, I now get the tap and press from the stylus is correct, but the screen is shifted instead.
Nov 06 19:19:00 <toggles_w> Tig|: i don't get it
Nov 06 19:19:12 <toggles_w> Tig|: will it come with a soft keyboard?
Nov 06 19:19:34 <Tig|> toggles_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SAbJjktk7E
Nov 06 19:20:04 <Tig|> sound might be loud
Nov 06 19:20:13 <haakeyar> Daramarak: You disabled the qtopia keyboard because you instead wanted to the raster keyboard, but still the qtopia keyboard sometimes comes up instead of the raster keyboard? I had the same problem.
Nov 06 19:20:24 <Daramarak> Yes
Nov 06 19:20:39 <haakeyar> Ok, I'll look up how I fixed it. ;)
Nov 06 19:20:53 <Daramarak> I think it is fixed now. Edited a qtopia configuration file.
Nov 06 19:21:01 <Daramarak> Found it on the wiki
Nov 06 19:22:57 <toggles_w> Tig|: very loud
Nov 06 19:23:04 <Tig|> yes :(
Nov 06 19:23:09 <haakeyar> Daramarak: You added " export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1" to the end of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia" as described in the wiki?
Nov 06 19:23:39 <haakeyar> Daramarak: That didn't work for me. I had to move it further up in the file.
Nov 06 19:25:56 <Daramarak> I put it along with the other exports
Nov 06 19:26:39 <toggles_w> Tig|: i still don't get it, i want my android to come with a keyboard not a potato ;-)
Nov 06 19:27:02 <Tig|> :)
Nov 06 19:27:02 <Dave> POTATO!
Nov 06 19:27:32 <toggles_w> Potaaahto
Nov 06 19:28:00 <haakeyar> Daramarak: Ok, that's what worked for me too. I think the wiki should be modified.
Nov 06 19:28:28 <haakeyar> In http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate under   How to install the illume (Raster's) keyboard ?, a command which adds the export to the end of the file is used.
Nov 06 19:29:06 * Dave fires potatoes at Tig's base.
Nov 06 19:29:15 <Dave> Keyboard_Debate?
Nov 06 19:29:18 <yabo> in linux
Nov 06 19:29:39 <cjb_ie> Dave: "all your potato are belong to us"?
Nov 06 19:29:40 <yabo> when you're defining a variable or whatever it is you do when instead of the normal shell-prompt, you get a >
Nov 06 19:29:43 <yabo> how do you quit that?
Nov 06 19:31:13 <haakeyar> yabo: You probably didn't properly end a string. Type ' or ".
Nov 06 19:31:24 <F4t> or ctrl+c?
Nov 06 19:31:38 <haakeyar> that would work too ;)
Nov 06 19:32:03 <yabo> ctrl+c didnt work
Nov 06 19:32:28 <yabo> but i got out
Nov 06 19:33:34 <F4t> how did you get out then?
Nov 06 19:34:57 <yabo> i opened a new shell.... :P
Nov 06 19:34:59 <Dave> haha, cjb
Nov 06 19:35:00 <yabo> giggle
Nov 06 19:35:02 <Dave> yeehaw
Nov 06 19:35:14 <Dave> yabo :P
Nov 06 19:35:33 <Dave> :OOOOOOOO
Nov 06 19:35:43 <Dave> er du norsk?
Nov 06 19:36:09 <yabo> jea
Nov 06 19:36:15 <yabo> det er s� mange her!
Nov 06 19:36:17 <Dave> :DDDDDDDD
Nov 06 19:36:19 <yabo> traff to i g�r ogs�
Nov 06 19:36:29 <Dave> hehe
Nov 06 19:36:38 <F4t> wtf
Nov 06 19:36:39 <Dave> du er kul :p
Nov 06 19:36:39 <Daramarak> moko er tydelig veldig populært i norge
Nov 06 19:36:58 <Dave> Tydeligvis :DD
Nov 06 19:37:05 <yabo> oi hihi
Nov 06 19:37:08 <yabo> moro :D
Nov 06 19:37:11 <Dave> jajaja
Nov 06 19:37:32 <haakeyar> Dave and yabo: #openmoko-no (yes, I'm Norwegian too)
Nov 06 19:37:35 <Dave> Norge \o/
Nov 06 19:37:43 <Dave> kul kul
Nov 06 19:38:56 <Ke> vädret är jättebra i norge
Nov 06 19:39:34 <Dave> MOAR!?!?!
Nov 06 19:39:49 <Dave> terve
Nov 06 19:41:20 <dolf1074> Oh het is hier dat ze beginnerslessen Noors geven.
Nov 06 19:41:31 <Dave> jaja
Nov 06 19:41:37 <Dave> meeeeeeeeeer nooooooooooooors \o/
Nov 06 19:41:52 <Dave> dolf, er zijn hier veel Noors :p
Nov 06 19:42:20 <Dave> ja, en Nederlanders ook
Nov 06 19:42:40 <yabo> so
Nov 06 19:42:46 <yabo> 2008.9
Nov 06 19:42:51 <yabo> reinstalling pygtk
Nov 06 19:42:56 <yabo> how do i do that?
Nov 06 19:43:14 <yabo> opgk remove pygtk; opkg install pygtk?
Nov 06 19:43:14 <yabo> :|
Nov 06 19:43:17 <Dave> ja
Nov 06 19:43:22 <Dave> --force-reinstall?
Nov 06 19:43:36 <Dave> ^^
Nov 06 19:43:52 <yabo> opkg install -force-reinstall pygtk?
Nov 06 19:44:54 <yabo> er det riktig? f� hele linja v�r s� snill.. :p
Nov 06 19:46:00 <Dave> mmhmm
Nov 06 19:46:13 <yabo> okay thanks
Nov 06 19:46:20 <Dave> :]
Nov 06 19:46:32 <Dave> if it breaks, come back and complain!
Nov 06 19:46:33 <yabo> f�r feil n�r jeg pr�ver � importere gtk nemlig..
Nov 06 19:50:42 <haakeyar> yabo: By speaking Norwegian, none of the other people in this channel will be able to help you. The problem with importing gtk is known (and I thought it was fixed). If you search for it, you'll probably see how to fix it manually.
Nov 06 19:50:58 <haakeyar> Or maybe it is fixed in the latest testing. You could try opkg upgrade pygtk
Nov 06 19:51:09 <haakeyar> (after running opkg update)
Nov 06 19:51:47 <yabo> it does not work after update/upgrade, but ill search around, thanks
Nov 06 19:52:11 <yabo> I am looking for a list of opkg errorcodes, where can i find that?
Nov 06 19:52:56 <yabo> nvm found it
Nov 06 19:53:30 <yabo> opkg install -force-reinstall pygtk gave me a code 2: Error parsing config file 
Nov 06 19:54:15 <haakeyar> yabo: How about just opkg upgrade pygtk?
Nov 06 19:54:28 <haakeyar> (opkg update; opkg upgrade pygtk;)
Nov 06 19:54:49 <haakeyar> instead of reinstall
Nov 06 19:55:01 <yabo> okidoki�'
Nov 06 19:58:44 <Daramarak> What are those + signs and the * on the bottom of the om2008?
Nov 06 20:00:07 <emacsian> Daramarak: Probably the bounds
Nov 06 20:01:40 <Dave> yabo o_O
Nov 06 20:01:54 <yabo> hm?
Nov 06 20:06:42 <haakeyar> Daramarak: Don't know what the + and * does, but the buttons are short cuts to applications. Add "Bar" to Categories in the desktop of an application to put it there.
Nov 06 20:08:59 <hackbert130> anyone out there who got right click emulation to work on debian?
Nov 06 20:10:21 <F4t> hackbert130, nop, but i did manage to decrease the annoying jitter
Nov 06 20:10:47 <hackbert130> how did you do that? tweak or harder?
Nov 06 20:10:58 <F4t> teaked ts.conf
Nov 06 20:11:02 <F4t> tweaked*
Nov 06 20:11:08 <hackbert130> in /etc/ ?
Nov 06 20:11:12 <F4t> ye
Nov 06 20:11:23 <hackbert130> ok thx will take a look at that
Nov 06 20:11:37 <emacsian> I installed raster keyboard and disabled the qtopia one but now I don't get any keyboard.
Nov 06 20:11:50 <F4t> ill send u in private how mine looks like now
Nov 06 20:12:24 <Daramarak> have you restarted the xserver?
Nov 06 20:12:37 <emacsian> yeah I've done it
Nov 06 20:13:45 <emacsian> i see qwerty on the top left corner, but when I tap on it no keyboard
Nov 06 20:14:36 <yabo> emacsian, opkg install illume-config
Nov 06 20:14:44 <yabo> i think thats what fixed it for me..
Nov 06 20:14:50 <yabo> i had the same problem yesterday
Nov 06 20:15:39 <yabo> oh
Nov 06 20:15:41 <yabo> nevermind
Nov 06 20:15:54 <yabo> [21:11] <emacsian> I installed raster keyboard
Nov 06 20:16:01 <yabo> i guess my method wont work for that
Nov 06 20:17:28 <emacsian> I read the wiki again, it says switch keyboard from NONE to DEFAULT in illume's preferences
Nov 06 20:17:57 <emacsian> is it some config file?
Nov 06 20:18:29 <Daramarak> you can do it from the interface, the small wrench on the dropdown
Nov 06 20:19:49 <mek__> hello everybody
Nov 06 20:20:03 <emacsian> Daramarak: sorry, I didn't get it
Nov 06 20:20:32 <mek__> I'm a new-happy neo freerunner owner...
Nov 06 20:20:46 <Dave> mek!
Nov 06 20:20:57 <mek__> yep!
Nov 06 20:21:00 <SpeedEvil> Mek: don't worry, it won't last long.
Nov 06 20:21:01 <Sargun> mek__, congratulations.
Nov 06 20:21:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 06 20:21:07 <mek__> =)
Nov 06 20:21:19 <Dave> Welcome to the insanity which is, Openmoko.
Nov 06 20:21:20 <SpeedEvil> Mek: it is a nifty bit of hardware.
Nov 06 20:21:24 <Daramarak> The dropdown menu on the top, there you have a small wrench which you can configure illume with. (You do have illume-config installed?)
Nov 06 20:21:35 * lindi- is happily ircing with fr
Nov 06 20:21:35 <emacsian> yeah,
Nov 06 20:21:40 <Dave> Let this me a historic moment in time, from here on out, your life as you know it will begin to decline.
Nov 06 20:21:43 <Dave> lindi :p
Nov 06 20:21:45 <emacsian> opkg instal says it is already installed and uptodate
Nov 06 20:21:46 <mek__> yep, I've realized that...
Nov 06 20:22:11 <mek__> I'm really a noob into linux world, so more on openmoko
Nov 06 20:22:33 <mek__> but I've always been able to solve problems on my own (google :))
Nov 06 20:22:43 <Daramarak> mek__ that is great if you like challenges :)
Nov 06 20:23:13 <mek__> I do like them =) especially 'cause I bought this piece of hardware for just one purpose
Nov 06 20:23:22 <dolf1074> android users here?
Nov 06 20:23:27 <dent> mek__: and that is?
Nov 06 20:24:11 <mek__> let's say that my objective in my life has always been to let people think with their own mind instead of blah-blah-media... you know...
Nov 06 20:24:28 <mek__> call me activist, or whatever...
Nov 06 20:24:40 <dent> and how does the FR fit into that?
Nov 06 20:26:04 <fredrin> dent: FR is a nice tool for hacktivisim.... 
Nov 06 20:26:31 <dent> and for hadrenaline too :)
Nov 06 20:27:17 <Kensan> Dave: evening. I wonder what mwester would say to all this youthly optimism ;)
Nov 06 20:27:19 <igor321> hello, anyone know how to fix opkg error 2
Nov 06 20:27:31 <igor321> i am getting it on a fresh fdom install
Nov 06 20:27:35 <Dave> Haha
Nov 06 20:28:04 <Dave> Kensan, something along the lines of, "Those poor deluded fools... *shakes head in hands*", methinks.
Nov 06 20:28:11 <Dave> :)
Nov 06 20:28:27 <Kensan> he
Nov 06 20:28:29 <Kensan> h
Nov 06 20:28:31 <Kensan> raster: ping
Nov 06 20:28:33 <emacsian> igor321: Try doing opkg update first
Nov 06 20:28:49 <igor321> emacsian: i did
Nov 06 20:29:10 <bricode> dolf1074: I'm around.
Nov 06 20:29:31 <dolf1074> Is there already a working virtual keyboard?
Nov 06 20:29:59 <Dave> With android?
Nov 06 20:30:02 <dolf1074> yes
Nov 06 20:30:05 <Dave> No
Nov 06 20:30:08 <Daramarak> gotta go, cya all. Bye.
Nov 06 20:30:17 <Dave> there is one... but it's not working yet :)
Nov 06 20:30:56 <dolf1074> I read something about that xda-developers are busy with one, but the site is a little bit down
Nov 06 20:31:12 <dolf1074> Then I did also found
Nov 06 20:31:14 <dolf1074> http://code.google.com/android/adc_gallery/app.html?id=38
Nov 06 20:31:31 <dolf1074> But I think that only work on applications adapted to use that
Nov 06 20:32:02 <mek__> fredrin: you said that
Nov 06 20:33:47 <mwester> Yay!!  More fresh victims!
Nov 06 20:35:02 <Kensan> mwester: oh there you are :)
Nov 06 20:36:22 <Kensan> mwester: my dboard is still giving me crap.
Nov 06 20:37:20 <Kensan> mwester: could you send/pastebin me your uboot-env?
Nov 06 20:38:13 <emacsian> igor321: see if increasing verbosity level gives you any indication, opkg update has always solved it for me
Nov 06 20:39:07 <Dave> hrm
Nov 06 20:39:23 <igor321> emacsian: i'll try, am rebooting it right now
Nov 06 20:52:42 <bricode> Is there a way to change the touchscreen orientation through a /sys command?
Nov 06 20:54:39 <lindi-> bricode: no.
Nov 06 20:54:40 <mwester> bricode:  none of which I am aware
Nov 06 20:55:01 <mwester> I think it's an ioctl to the fb device.
Nov 06 20:55:30 <mwester> But you'll have to do an ioctl to the fb device anyway, in order to do the efficient screen blanking that Harald added to the kernel recently.
Nov 06 20:58:35 <bricode> mwester: Are the nand patches included in stable yet?
Nov 06 20:58:53 <bricode> Similarly the blanking patches?
Nov 06 20:58:56 <Kensan> bricode: yes
Nov 06 20:59:11 <Kensan> bricode: all of them.
Nov 06 20:59:42 <Dave> :D
Nov 06 20:59:43 <mwester> ;) even though they are not necessarily stable yet (blanking on some FRs causes the WSoD to appear on unblanking)
Nov 06 21:00:11 <bricode> stable with Openmoko has it's own special meaning.
Nov 06 21:00:13 <mwester> Kensan: I'll have to get to my FR first (I'm still -- supposedly -- at work).
Nov 06 21:00:25 <mwester> bricode:  hehe!  Well said.
Nov 06 21:00:27 <SpeedEvil> Brinky: to do with bolts and horses?
Nov 06 21:00:49 <Dave> haha
Nov 06 21:00:50 <Dave> "special"
Nov 06 21:00:56 * mwester considers that there might be some truth to SpeedEvil's interpretation ;)
Nov 06 21:01:02 <Dave> "stable"
Nov 06 21:01:31 <Kensan> mwester: no hurry. I need to get away from this damned pc anyway *heh*
Nov 06 21:01:36 <mwester> I need a FR with the WSoD problem.  Anyone near Chicago willing to do a temporary swap?
Nov 06 21:01:53 <bricode> By their definition, even I get to be "stable".
Nov 06 21:02:14 <Kensan> mwester: hehe swap and then put it in the mail ;)
Nov 06 21:03:40 <Kensan> mwester: btw how did the temperature theory develop? any news on that?
Nov 06 21:04:12 <Kensan> mwester: or was it a red herring?
Nov 06 21:04:50 <yabo> how do you quit vi in 2008.9? :-S when i try :x i get ". is not implemented"
Nov 06 21:05:01 <yabo> installing nano doesnt work either..
Nov 06 21:05:44 <Kensan> ":q" ?
Nov 06 21:06:11 <yabo> entering : doesnt seem to work
Nov 06 21:06:20 <yabo> thats when i get ". is not implemented"
Nov 06 21:06:28 <Dave> o_O
Nov 06 21:06:31 <Dave> what the fuck :D
Nov 06 21:10:25 <beniwtv> hi all... can anyone tell me in what feed I can find python-alsaaudio?
Nov 06 21:12:24 <timur> yabo, :q worked for me, but i also messed with vi only long enough to install vim
Nov 06 21:16:20 <yabo> okay
Nov 06 21:16:24 <yabo> i hate vi myself
Nov 06 21:16:28 <yabo> installed nano now... :-R
Nov 06 21:17:48 <beniwtv> yeah... reminds me to install nano, too
Nov 06 21:18:05 <timur> vim's not bad :P
Nov 06 21:19:23 <beniwtv> better we not start to argue about that :P
Nov 06 21:20:26 <timur> haha just no one say emacs and we might be ok :P
Nov 06 21:21:27 <beniwtv> rofl
Nov 06 21:22:14 <beniwtv> on a serious note, I'm trying to compile something on the neo and it complains about a missing command: cc1 anyone knows in which package it is?
Nov 06 21:24:28 <timur> do you have gcc installed?
Nov 06 21:25:54 <beniwtv> timur: I installed the gcc package, yes... I can extecute gcc and get no input files
Nov 06 21:26:00 <pH5> it's cpp. doesn't gcc depend on it?
Nov 06 21:27:09 <beniwtv> pH5: Ah! That actually might be it... 
Nov 06 21:29:26 <yabo> in linux, how do you get a new ip from dhcp? ipconfig /renew in windows
Nov 06 21:29:53 <beniwtv> yabo: you may try dhclient <network device>
Nov 06 21:30:03 <timur> killall dhclient first probably
Nov 06 21:30:15 <timur> it might do it on itsown
Nov 06 21:30:46 <beniwtv> Depends on the distro I gues... Never had to kill anything on Ubuntu here...
Nov 06 21:31:54 <yabo> alright, thanks
Nov 06 21:32:55 <timur> yea, i think dhclient does detect if another version of it is running already and kills it
Nov 06 21:32:55 <beniwtv> pH5: You were right... package cpp and cpp-symlinks did it... thanks
Nov 06 21:34:58 <yabo> ga
Nov 06 21:34:58 <yabo> h
Nov 06 21:35:05 <yabo> i tried connecting to a wpa-network
Nov 06 21:35:14 <yabo> and after that the usb-connection hasnt worked at all
Nov 06 21:36:44 <Pander> Hi all, more ideas on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/openmoko-manager are welcome
Nov 06 21:52:39 <dotmef> Pander: nice idea. do you prefer ppl to add ideas to the whiteboard directly?
Nov 06 21:55:52 <ozzloy> my fr won't boot normally.  it stops at the centered "openmoko" splash.  it boots through NOR though
Nov 06 21:56:09 <Yashy> What's the most stable/functional distro? 2008.9?
Nov 06 21:56:46 <ozzloy> how do i fix this, or troubleshoot?  i'm pretty sure it's hardware cuz i flashed the kernel and rootfs with 2 different distributions, same behavior
Nov 06 21:59:37 <yabo>  tar zxf automake-1.9.tar.gz
Nov 06 21:59:41 <yabo> tar: invalid tar magic
Nov 06 21:59:44 <yabo> wat?
Nov 06 21:59:51 <yabo> what is wrong?
Nov 06 22:00:07 <SpeedEvil> maybe busytar doesn't understand z
Nov 06 22:00:24 <Ke> busybox-nooooo!
Nov 06 22:01:09 <nyu> yabo: try -zxf
Nov 06 22:01:35 <nyu> the "no dash" mode is an ugly kludge imho
Nov 06 22:03:15 <F4t> how do i make apt-get use only packages from stable tree?
Nov 06 22:04:41 <yabo> nyu, i got the same error
Nov 06 22:04:47 <lindi-> F4t: only put stable to sources.list
Nov 06 22:04:58 <Yashy> ozzloy: re-flash properly?
Nov 06 22:05:20 <F4t> lindi-, where do i get stable repo urls from?
Nov 06 22:05:54 <lindi-> F4t: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main
Nov 06 22:09:50 <yabo> when opkg cannot satisfy dependencies, they are not in the repository right?
Nov 06 22:10:06 <Jeti> normally yes
Nov 06 22:10:11 <yabo> Where can i get libsdl and libsdl-image then? They are for numptyphysics :-|
Nov 06 22:11:10 <Jeti> wich distro?
Nov 06 22:11:22 <yabo> 2008.9
Nov 06 22:11:58 <Jeti> normally it should be there. Try do opkg list | grep libsdl
Nov 06 22:12:06 <yabo> alright
Nov 06 22:12:07 <Pander> dotmef: yeah, anyone can add to the whiteboard
Nov 06 22:13:21 <yabo> what does -force-depends do?
Nov 06 22:14:04 <Jeti> let the package install and give warnings about dependencies that are not met. (Don't stop and quit like it normally does)
Nov 06 22:14:18 <yabo> aha
Nov 06 22:14:30 <yabo> so it installs the app, even though the dependencies are not met?
Nov 06 22:14:42 <Jeti> ye
Nov 06 22:14:44 <Jeti> s
Nov 06 22:15:02 <yabo> alright, thanks
Nov 06 22:15:36 <yabo> gee, changing from qt-extended is the best thing ive done for my freerunner in a long time
Nov 06 22:15:48 <yabo> changing from qt to 2008.9*
Nov 06 22:15:59 <ozzloy> Yashy: i already flashed twice
Nov 06 22:16:12 <Jeti> yabo: why?
Nov 06 22:16:42 <ozzloy> spose i could flash yet again, but that seems unlikely to yield returns
Nov 06 22:16:43 <beniwtv> whoa! success! The headset works now in QT extended! :)
Nov 06 22:17:06 <yabo> it is alot faster, and much easier to use
Nov 06 22:17:23 <uhsf> the headset hurts my ears
Nov 06 22:17:28 <yabo> can you reset levels in numptyphysics? :r
Nov 06 22:18:29 <beniwtv> uhsf: it's actually a hands free for the car... no ear pieces :)
Nov 06 22:20:25 <uhsf> i just don't like the default FR headset
Nov 06 22:20:48 <beniwtv> I haven't got it, so I can't comment...
Nov 06 22:21:29 <uhsf> if only FR had a 3.5mm plug i could get a nice headset
Nov 06 22:21:44 <Fougner> yaaa, 3.5mm =D
Nov 06 22:21:57 <beniwtv> +1
Nov 06 22:30:21 <SpeedEvil> The headset socket is a special design. You can fit 3.5mm headphones with a special tool.
Nov 06 22:30:29 * SpeedEvil hands out hammers.
Nov 06 22:30:39 <lindi-> uhsf: just make a converter
Nov 06 22:32:38 <dolf1074> What is the best way to start hacking on SHR?
Nov 06 22:32:55 <noother> Hey, is there anything I need to do to get the sound working properly on the testing-image? scummvm says 'WARNING: Could not open audio device: No available audio device!', fourier is complaining about 'Error reading sound data: Bad file descriptor'.. liquidwar for example has sound though..
Nov 06 22:35:23 <noother> mplayer first says '[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory' but starts playing after a few seconds with 'AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)'
Nov 06 22:37:18 <yabo> I'm trying to install mplayer on 2008.9, but opkg does not find mplayer-common or libmp3lame0. Where can i find those?
Nov 06 22:38:14 <noother> seems like oss is missing.. but installing alsa-oss doesn't get me anywhere
Nov 06 22:42:04 <igor321> anyone know the package name of all these games in fdom?
Nov 06 22:42:09 <igor321> i wanna remove them
Nov 06 22:44:42 <noother> task-openmoko-games and oh-puzzles i think
Nov 06 22:45:12 <gromez> noother: try modprobe snd_pcm_oss
Nov 06 22:46:12 <noother> gromez: it works, finally, thanks a lot :)
Nov 06 22:47:29 <yabo> Have anyone used Pythm? I can't figure out how to select a song to play.. halp!
Nov 06 22:50:28 <igor321> noother: thanks!
Nov 06 22:54:31 <[Rui]> hi ye all :)
Nov 06 22:54:39 <[Rui]> I'm happily (or almost) running a daily
Nov 06 22:54:50 <[Rui]> but changing the theme to illume results in e crashing it's way to hell
Nov 06 23:11:46 <noother> [Rui]: works well for me, yeah, illume crashes every now and then, but the recover-button does a good job
Nov 06 23:13:39 <noother> [Rui]: and some stuff in the illume-config isn't implemented yet, which is the reason it crashes when you choose one of them i guess
Nov 06 23:14:40 <[Rui]> noother: for me now and then is every few seconds...
Nov 06 23:15:01 <noother> but overall it runs fairly well here, and looks cool..
Nov 06 23:15:27 <[Rui]> noother: yeah... know a way to use illume's keyboard instead of qtopia while still running the asu them?
Nov 06 23:15:30 <[Rui]> theme?
Nov 06 23:16:56 <noother> no, that's the reason i switched to illume completly..
Nov 06 23:18:32 <noother> [Rui]: no, wait.. only the qwerty-button didn't work.. installing illume-config-illume did work iirc
Nov 06 23:20:08 <[Rui]> ah that was perhaps it...
Nov 06 23:20:14 * Wonka remarks he wants illume and e17 in debian
Nov 06 23:20:31 <[Rui]> but no, it's there already
Nov 06 23:20:33 * raster remarks.... nothing
Nov 06 23:20:48 <noother> and then disable the qtopia-keyboard in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia which is described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate
Nov 06 23:21:39 * balrog-k1n remarks twice as much
Nov 06 23:21:40 <[Rui]> noother: hms... why didn't I think of that... maybe I thought that would only work under illume
Nov 06 23:21:53 <[Rui]> I'll try it right away
Nov 06 23:22:25 <[Rui]> I even have it in my "tips" file: sed -i -e 's,\# Now start Qtopia,export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1\n\n\# Now start Qtopia,' /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
Nov 06 23:22:50 <Fougner> Wonka!
Nov 06 23:22:56 <Fougner> you run Debian right? =)
Nov 06 23:23:22 <Wonka> Fougner: yes
Nov 06 23:23:33 <Fougner> I've tried xfce and stuff yesterday
Nov 06 23:23:44 <Fougner> but I like the default zhone-thingy
Nov 06 23:23:56 <Wonka> does work here...
Nov 06 23:24:11 <Fougner> yeah; I got it working too
Nov 06 23:24:42 <Fougner> but I want a clean and very simple thing to work with
Nov 06 23:24:48 <Fougner> the xfce was.. small
Nov 06 23:24:51 <Wonka> FSVO work - did not put a SIM into the FR for months
Nov 06 23:25:02 <Fougner> ?
Nov 06 23:25:04 <[Rui]> noother: ouch, now I have no keyboard at all
Nov 06 23:25:21 <Wonka> zhone's GPS stuff works
Nov 06 23:25:34 <Wonka> anything that needs a SIM is not tested by me
Nov 06 23:25:59 <Fougner> yeah, but, I can't get the GPS-thingy to work =P
Nov 06 23:26:22 <Wonka> hm, no idea
Nov 06 23:26:31 <Fougner> what else, but the main call/sms
Nov 06 23:26:33 <noother> [Rui]: uhm.. then I don't know, sorry.. maybe the illume-keyboards only work if the theme is set to illume..
Nov 06 23:26:36 <Wonka> GPS is doing funny stuff here too
Nov 06 23:26:40 <Fougner> ok
Nov 06 23:26:47 <Wonka> with tangogps and xgps
Nov 06 23:26:55 <Fougner> but, zhone has 6 buttons default
Nov 06 23:26:58 <Fougner> right?
Nov 06 23:26:59 <Wonka> unpredictable hangs
Nov 06 23:27:15 <Fougner> do I need an antenna?
Nov 06 23:27:23 <yabo> is it possible to add the matchbox-keyboard to the list of Keyboards in 2008.9?
Nov 06 23:27:25 <[Rui]> noother: I think so, sadly :) well, illume will be fine soon
Nov 06 23:27:32 * [Rui] looks sheepishly towards raster
Nov 06 23:27:35 <Wonka> no idea. i had thpse hangs walking under open sky
Nov 06 23:27:39 <Wonka> those
Nov 06 23:27:46 <yabo> when you hit the wrench and then hit keyboards, there is a list containing None and Default. Can i add Matchbox here?
Nov 06 23:28:10 <Fougner> Wonka, did you use antenna? =P
Nov 06 23:28:44 <Wonka> Fougner: why should I, withSNR values of 43 and bigger?
Nov 06 23:28:44 <yabo> hai Fougner
Nov 06 23:28:51 <Fougner> yabo, hai
Nov 06 23:28:56 <Fougner> Wonka, okay, well I don't know =P
Nov 06 23:29:02 <Fougner> maybe I should give it a try then
Nov 06 23:29:11 <Wonka> open sky. 12 satellites in view
Nov 06 23:29:12 <Fougner> apt-get install tangogps xgps
Nov 06 23:29:19 <Fougner> ?
Nov 06 23:29:50 <Fougner> anyhow, you use the default zhone layout?
Nov 06 23:29:52 <Wonka> and suddenly, no more gps data changes, despite walking on at a steady pace...
Nov 06 23:29:53 <Fougner> nothing else, I mean
Nov 06 23:30:37 <Fougner> hmm, how do I turn off the FR in Debian? =P
Nov 06 23:30:53 <Wonka> Fougner: tangogps gpsd-clients
Nov 06 23:30:58 <gurugentoo> why the hell did fso choose that default ringtone?
Nov 06 23:31:05 <Wonka> Fougner: erm... start xterm, type "halt"...
Nov 06 23:31:07 <gurugentoo> soooo abnoxious
Nov 06 23:31:13 <gurugentoo> ob*
Nov 06 23:31:16 <Fougner> where can I access zterm? :O
Nov 06 23:31:33 <yabo> in debian you hit ctrl+alt+x
Nov 06 23:31:35 <Fougner> xterm*
Nov 06 23:31:39 <Wonka> Fougner: i can start xterm via my button on the fbpanel
Nov 06 23:31:50 <Fougner> ga!
Nov 06 23:31:56 <Fougner> now we're talking
Nov 06 23:32:11 <Wonka> Fougner: and pull up the keyboard (for "halt" and enter) with the button on the openmoko-panel-plugin
Nov 06 23:32:11 <Fougner> okay, fbpanel with default zhone layout?
Nov 06 23:32:31 <Wonka> did never change the zhone layout, so must be the default
Nov 06 23:32:42 <Wonka> (bit i seldom run zhone...)
Nov 06 23:32:44 <Wonka> (but)
Nov 06 23:32:52 <Fougner> what do you run then? :o
Nov 06 23:33:05 <Wonka> tangogps and xgps mostly
Nov 06 23:33:13 <Fougner> I mean, I boot up debian.. my default "menu" is this blue background with a flower.. and 6 buttons
Nov 06 23:33:16 <Wonka> and then i growl because of the mentioned hangs
Nov 06 23:33:59 <Fougner> but you use fbpanel with.. which windowmanager?
Nov 06 23:34:06 <yabo> in the repositories, what is stroke?
Nov 06 23:34:09 <Wonka> i'd like tangogps directly using gypsy
Nov 06 23:34:17 <Wonka> Fougner: matchbox-window-manager
Nov 06 23:35:36 <Fougner> okay, how can I get just matchbox and fbpanel working?
Nov 06 23:36:00 <Fougner> it's on the wiki
Nov 06 23:36:49 <Wonka> Fougner: xserver, mathcbox-window-manager, "nodm"
Nov 06 23:37:14 <Fougner> Wonka, what? =P
Nov 06 23:37:39 <Wonka> Fougner: and a ~/.xsession first starting fbpanel & openmoko-panel-plugin & exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no
Nov 06 23:38:34 <Fougner> should I edit /etc/init.d/zhone-session first?
Nov 06 23:38:37 <Fougner> or what?
Nov 06 23:38:48 <Wonka> i uninstalled that
Nov 06 23:39:10 <Wonka> hm, by the way, my debian currently doesn't wake back up from "apm -s"
Nov 06 23:39:16 <Fougner> ~/.xinitrc ?
Nov 06 23:39:17 <apt> ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred.  xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead.
Nov 06 23:39:20 <Fougner> or xsession?
Nov 06 23:39:35 <Fougner> ~
Nov 06 23:39:42 <Fougner> thanks apt ;)
Nov 06 23:40:17 <mm> I really would love to be able to write a python program with a GUI, but cannot get started. I have tried in OM2008.8 and FDOM, but cannot import gtk or Tkinter or anything. How do I get started?
Nov 06 23:41:49 <Wonka> hrm, there seems to be something listening on the aux and pwr buttons now...
Nov 06 23:42:17 <Fougner> Wonka, I made a .xsession with the following contents
Nov 06 23:42:25 <Fougner> #!/bin/sh
Nov 06 23:42:25 <Fougner> fbpanel &
Nov 06 23:42:25 <Fougner> openmoko-panel-plugin &
Nov 06 23:42:25 <Fougner> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no &
Nov 06 23:42:27 <Dave> Fougner :P
Nov 06 23:42:30 <Dave> It's you!
Nov 06 23:42:39 <sicu> Dave!
Nov 06 23:42:41 <sicu> it's you
Nov 06 23:42:52 <Fougner> Dave, oh no -.-
Nov 06 23:42:54 <Fougner> haha
Nov 06 23:43:02 <Wonka> Fougner: remove that last &
Nov 06 23:43:05 <Fougner> ah
Nov 06 23:43:37 <Dave> HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN
Nov 06 23:43:39 <Fougner> so, with all that stuff installed, matchbox, openmoko-panel-plugin, and fbpanel
Nov 06 23:43:41 <Dave> and raster
Nov 06 23:43:41 <Dave> :p
Nov 06 23:43:51 <Fougner> I'm ready to go? =
Nov 06 23:43:52 <Fougner> =)*
Nov 06 23:43:54 <Dave> Fougner: I'm in ur panel, breakin ur pluginz!
Nov 06 23:44:01 <Fougner> what where? o.O
Nov 06 23:44:06 <Dave> ha ha ha ha
Nov 06 23:44:08 <Fougner> I seeee yoooouuuu
Nov 06 23:44:15 <Dave> All your widgets are belong to me!
Nov 06 23:44:32 <Fougner> what, MIDGETS? you sick..
Nov 06 23:44:42 <Wonka> Fougner: it's a little minimalistic, but it works for me _)
Nov 06 23:44:52 <Fougner> Wonka, less is more
Nov 06 23:45:01 <Fougner> but it should work by now?
Nov 06 23:45:07 <Wonka> Fougner: i have a menu on my fbpanel, and buttons for xterm, tangogps and zhone (should i need it)
Nov 06 23:45:11 <Fougner> no edits with the init.d/blabla
Nov 06 23:45:12 <Wonka> i think so
Nov 06 23:45:18 <Fougner> ok
Nov 06 23:45:21 <Fougner> let's reboot =)
Nov 06 23:45:38 <Wonka> by the way, my .xsession looks like this:
Nov 06 23:45:41 <Wonka> #!/bin/sh
Nov 06 23:45:41 <Wonka> while sleep 2 ; do fbpanel ; done &
Nov 06 23:45:41 <Wonka> while sleep 2 ; do openmoko-panel-plugin ; done &
Nov 06 23:45:41 <Wonka> exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar no -use_cursor no
Nov 06 23:46:08 <Wonka> i had openmoko-panel-plugin crash - at least it just was no more there.
Nov 06 23:46:23 <Wonka> bad idea if you need that to get a keyboard...
Nov 06 23:46:36 <Fougner> uhm
Nov 06 23:46:50 <Wonka> this way, it will pop back up
Nov 06 23:46:51 <Fougner> the openmoko-panel is that sliding one in OM2008.X ?
Nov 06 23:47:02 <Fougner> top of the screen
Nov 06 23:47:14 <Fougner> Dave and yabo!
Nov 06 23:47:20 <Dave> YES
Nov 06 23:47:23 <Fougner> guys, hi! ^^
Nov 06 23:47:27 <yabo> hai hai
Nov 06 23:47:29 <Dave> Hallo!
Nov 06 23:47:33 <Fougner> tjena!
Nov 06 23:47:52 <Dave> hvordan står det til med mine møkkete utenlandske venner? ;p
Nov 06 23:47:58 <yabo> matchbox-keyboard on the keyboardlist anyone?
Nov 06 23:48:01 <Dave> jejeje
Nov 06 23:48:30 <Fougner> hmm, what is "debugfs dir creation failed -19" ?
Nov 06 23:48:40 <Dave> uggh
Nov 06 23:48:41 <sicu> Dave: f�ler plutselig for � ta meg en dusj
Nov 06 23:48:44 <Dave> Not that again... ¬_¬
Nov 06 23:48:46 <Wonka> Fougner: no idea, but seems not to hurt
Nov 06 23:48:46 <Dave> Sicu :D
Nov 06 23:49:23 <Fougner> Dave, det �r bra ;)
Nov 06 23:49:27 <Fougner> hehe
Nov 06 23:49:33 <Fougner> Wonka, you have it too? :o
Nov 06 23:49:41 <Wonka> yes
Nov 06 23:49:43 <Fougner> hm
Nov 06 23:49:57 <sicu> dave has it too
Nov 06 23:50:06 <Fougner> hehe, debian can echo loooots and lots of errors, but it'll always boot anyway xD
Nov 06 23:50:35 <Fougner> hm, Wonka I'm in the usual zhone-session again
Nov 06 23:50:42 <Fougner> something didn't want to work xD
Nov 06 23:52:30 <Wonka> hhm.
Nov 06 23:52:32 <Fougner> I think my /etc/init.d/zhone-session is the default one
Nov 06 23:52:40 <Fougner> should I change it to something else? =P
Nov 06 23:52:53 <Fougner> make a new script called xserver
Nov 06 23:52:59 <Fougner> and change something in it? :P
Nov 06 23:53:01 <gurugentoo> I'm realy impressed by the current SHR
Nov 06 23:53:11 <Fougner> gurugentoo, something new? =)
Nov 06 23:53:37 <Dave> WE GET SIGNAL?
Nov 06 23:53:57 <gurugentoo> Fougner: well for one thing wifi reconnects every time, unlike debian
Nov 06 23:54:03 <yabo> Using the matchbox-keyboard on om2008.9... Any ideas? I cant get the wiki-method to work
Nov 06 23:57:32 <yabo> wat..
Nov 06 23:58:09 <Fougner> Wonka, my default init.d is zhone-session
Nov 06 23:58:28 <Fougner> should I make a new script with different settings?
Nov 06 23:58:33 <Wonka> aas i said, i uninstalled that package
Nov 06 23:58:40 <Wonka> and installed nodm nstead
Nov 06 23:58:44 <Fougner> which one? =P
Nov 06 23:58:52 <Wonka> zhone-session
Nov 06 23:59:06 <Wonka> zhone is there, though
Nov 06 23:59:47 <Fougner> apt-get install nodm
Nov 06 23:59:55 <Fougner> apt-get remove zhone-session
Nov 07 00:00:05 <Fougner> what is nodm? =P
Nov 07 00:01:23 <Wonka>  This packages prepares the system to automatically start an X session at
Nov 07 00:01:23 <Wonka>  system boot. It is targeted for devices like smartphones, but can be used
Nov 07 00:01:23 <Wonka>  a regular computer as well, if the security implications are acceptable.
Nov 07 00:01:37 <Fougner> ah
Nov 07 00:01:38 <Fougner> okay
Nov 07 00:01:39 <Dave> ooh la la
Nov 07 00:01:48 <Fougner> Dave, touch my trala-la
Nov 07 00:01:51 <Fougner> ;D
Nov 07 00:01:52 <Dave> o_O
Nov 07 00:01:54 <johngay> Hey Dave!
Nov 07 00:01:55 <Fougner> haha
Nov 07 00:01:56 <Dave> drit it det!
Nov 07 00:01:59 <Dave> >:o
Nov 07 00:02:01 <Fougner> drit?
Nov 07 00:02:13 <Dave> fittegrubbe!
Nov 07 00:02:16 <Fougner> :o
Nov 07 00:02:19 <Dave> fittegubbe
Nov 07 00:02:20 <Fougner> vad s�ger du? =(
Nov 07 00:02:27 <Dave> ja >:o
Nov 07 00:02:40 <gurugentoo> hmm except contacts and SMS don't seem to run...odd
Nov 07 00:02:51 <Dave> guru, they should run together?
Nov 07 00:02:54 <Fougner> Dave, don't get angry ;)
Nov 07 00:03:01 <Dave> oke
Nov 07 00:03:07 <Fougner> hehe
Nov 07 00:03:20 <Fougner> what does "fittegubbe" mean anyway? =P
Nov 07 00:03:20 <Dave> jeg liker deg... din hestkuk ;D
Nov 07 00:03:25 <Wonka> *sing* paul sine honur
Nov 07 00:03:26 <Fougner> Hahahhaha
Nov 07 00:03:34 <Dave> :)
Nov 07 00:03:36 <Fougner> xD
Nov 07 00:03:41 <Fougner> hestk*k
Nov 07 00:03:46 <Dave> jaja
Nov 07 00:04:08 <Fougner> muhaah xD
Nov 07 00:04:45 <Dave> apt liker du davekuk? ;p
Nov 07 00:04:51 <Dave> apt, snakker!
Nov 07 00:05:05 * Dave pokes apt
Nov 07 00:05:13 <Fougner> apt!
Nov 07 00:05:21 <Fougner> ~_~
Nov 07 00:05:22 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Nov 07 00:05:24 <Fougner> :D
Nov 07 00:05:32 <Fougner> he was asleep
Nov 07 00:05:50 * Fougner pokes Dave
Nov 07 00:08:57 <Dave> :o
Nov 07 00:09:17 <Dave> slapen?
Nov 07 00:10:33 <Fougner> Dave, va?
Nov 07 00:10:43 <Dave> ~_~
Nov 07 00:10:43 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Nov 07 00:11:07 <gurugentoo> bwah? now contacts are working, maybe it was firsh boot silliness
Nov 07 00:11:16 <Dave> guru, I hope so!
Nov 07 00:12:12 <Dave> Fougner, hva gjør du?
Nov 07 00:12:39 <Dave> runker? :P
Nov 07 00:13:24 <Fougner> Dave, �ckel =P
Nov 07 00:13:34 <Fougner> jag sitter � fixar med min Freerunner
Nov 07 00:13:52 <Dave> ah
Nov 07 00:13:55 <Dave> :p
Nov 07 00:14:00 <sicu> he's doing what to his freerunner ??
Nov 07 00:14:07 <Dave> HAHAHA
Nov 07 00:14:12 <Dave> That's what I thought at first too, Sicu :p
Nov 07 00:14:15 <Fougner> Dave, don't tell him :P
Nov 07 00:14:26 <Dave> Like I want to know?
Nov 07 00:14:38 <Fougner> no, sicu wants to know =D
Nov 07 00:14:41 <sicu> haha .. sounded like you already knew :p
Nov 07 00:14:51 <Dave> O_O
Nov 07 00:14:52 <Fougner> Wonka, how can I change the default background?
Nov 07 00:15:10 <Wonka> no idea. i just don't.
Nov 07 00:15:27 <Fougner> as for now, it's this panel, and the rest of the screen is greyish
Nov 07 00:15:29 <Fougner> ugly
Nov 07 00:15:32 <Fougner> haha
Nov 07 00:15:50 <Fougner> then... how do I make a call on this ? o.O
Nov 07 00:16:24 <Wonka> start hone via fbpanel's menu or button
Nov 07 00:16:28 <Wonka> zhone, even
Nov 07 00:16:34 <Dave> zhone it!
Nov 07 00:16:36 <Wonka> and use it to make your call
Nov 07 00:17:02 <Dave> jeg forstår
Nov 07 00:20:01 <[Rui]> hey... powertop actually complains about lot's of useful energy saving options that aren't compiled in...
Nov 07 00:20:10 <[Rui]> do they simply not work on arm4v?
Nov 07 00:20:44 * Dave hides from Rui
Nov 07 00:21:08 <[Rui]> CONFIG_HPET_TIMER, CONFIG_NO_HZ, ...
Nov 07 00:21:25 <[Rui]> sleep... nighty night
Nov 07 00:23:05 <balrog-k1n> [Rui]: HPET is a PC thing,
Nov 07 00:23:23 <balrog-k1n> [Rui]: and CONFIG_NO_HZ is not currently supported on the samsung cpus,
Nov 07 00:23:23 <Dave> Balrogkun!
Nov 07 00:23:27 <[Rui]> dang
Nov 07 00:23:42 <balrog-k1n> but there's a patch that adds CONFIG_NO_HZ support
Nov 07 00:23:47 <balrog-k1n> you can give it a try
Nov 07 00:24:10 <balrog-k1n> Dave: o/ !
Nov 07 00:24:29 <balrog-k1n> [Rui]: want a link?
Nov 07 00:24:51 <[Rui]> balrog-k1n: if you can send it to rms@1407.org I'd appreciate that, but I won't touch it before the weekend...
Nov 07 00:24:58 <[Rui]> gotta go. nite!
Nov 07 00:25:03 * [Rui] idles
Nov 07 00:25:37 <balrog-k1n> okays, i'll see about it
Nov 07 00:26:10 <balrog-k1n> the patch was against 2.6.27 rather than 2.6.26 (no real difference but it won't apply)
Nov 07 00:26:14 <Dave> Bye rui :)
Nov 07 00:26:22 <Dave> kernel wars!
Nov 07 00:27:13 <balrog-k1n> the dark side of the fork()
Nov 07 00:27:28 <Dave> :P
Nov 07 00:28:47 <Fougner> hhaa
Nov 07 00:30:06 <Fougner> Wonka, I can't see zhone in the menu =P
Nov 07 00:30:29 <Wonka> bad...
Nov 07 00:30:47 <Fougner> haha
Nov 07 00:30:50 <Fougner> why? =P
Nov 07 00:31:06 <Wonka> i have it under "Office"
Nov 07 00:31:29 <Fougner> just the openmoko-panel-plugin there
Nov 07 00:31:40 <gurugentoo> yay tangoGPS is amazing, screw debian
Nov 07 00:31:59 <balrog-k1n> HE SAID SCREW DEBIAN!
Nov 07 00:32:29 <Fougner> :o
Nov 07 00:32:31 <gurugentoo> balrog-k1n: on the phone at least
Nov 07 00:32:39 <evolux> argh. isn't there any page where you can simply download a database with coordinates and corresponding wikipedia page names?
Nov 07 00:32:45 <evolux> it can't be so uncommon...
Nov 07 00:32:54 * balrog-k1n points his finger at gurugentoo 
Nov 07 00:33:13 <gurugentoo> balrog-k1n: gasp!
Nov 07 00:33:45 <balrog-k1n> :p
Nov 07 00:37:18 <yabo> hai
Nov 07 00:37:23 <Fougner> hi!
Nov 07 00:37:25 <yabo> i want an audio-player for my 2008.9
Nov 07 00:37:30 <yabo> halp!
Nov 07 00:41:28 <evolux> ah, there is a .kmz. I hope it contains everything...
Nov 07 00:42:02 <yabo> when i try to install mplayer
Nov 07 00:42:20 <yabo> opkg cant find some dependencies: mplayer-common and libmp3lame0
Nov 07 00:42:27 <yabo> what do i do?
Nov 07 00:45:49 <slaxxin> what did the wiki say to do?
Nov 07 00:46:09 <evolux> hm, it's not complete
Nov 07 00:48:14 <slaxxin> hackage
Nov 07 00:50:46 <yabo> slaxxin, the wiki doesnt say anything
Nov 07 00:50:53 <yabo> not about the missing dependencies anyway
Nov 07 00:53:12 <yabo> tar doesnt work either..
Nov 07 00:53:29 <yabo> tar zxf aids.tar.gz
Nov 07 00:53:32 <yabo> tar: invalid tar magic
Nov 07 00:55:19 <slaxxin> http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/ipk/armv4t/
Nov 07 00:55:55 <slaxxin> 80% down
Nov 07 00:56:33 <yabo> oooh thanks!
Nov 07 00:56:40 <slaxxin> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
Nov 07 00:57:17 <yabo> thanks a bunch
Nov 07 00:58:06 <slaxxin> u might check compatibility with your distro though
Nov 07 00:59:08 <yabo> how do i do that?
Nov 07 00:59:30 <slaxxin> which u have?
Nov 07 01:00:21 <yabo> 2008.9
Nov 07 01:01:50 <TAsn> Dave, here?
Nov 07 01:02:11 <TAsn> anyway, if anyone wants, i hacked away a nice fso gui control script
Nov 07 01:02:59 <TAsn> it allows you to run/close bt, wifi, gprs usbhost and has a hidden option for gsm (cannot turn gsm back on yet)
Nov 07 01:03:01 <TAsn> http://stosb.com/openmoko/fso-settings_0.2_armv4t.ipk
Nov 07 01:03:05 <Dave> No
Nov 07 01:05:13 <TAsn> anyhow, i packed the python script if you want ;]
Nov 07 01:05:30 <TAsn> adds a "desktop" launcher
Nov 07 01:05:43 <TAsn> and you can read the source at /usr/bin/fso-settings.py
Nov 07 01:06:11 <TAsn> just read and edit the correct parts for gprs data.
Nov 07 01:06:20 <TAsn> usbhost, wifi and bt are on by default
Nov 07 01:06:55 <TAsn> and you can always uncomment the part in the gui for gsm, though i disabled that since it does not come back after shutdown ;]
Nov 07 01:06:55 <Wonka> but why? why is wifi on by default?
Nov 07 01:07:02 <TAsn> Wonka, where?
Nov 07 01:07:19 <TAsn> the script does not change anything on default
Nov 07 01:07:26 <TAsn> what you see is your current settings
Nov 07 01:07:51 <TAsn> and if eth0 is down wifi isn't supposed to transmit anything, just listen to WoWs
Nov 07 01:08:02 <TAsn> or something like that.
Nov 07 01:08:02 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 07 01:08:13 <slaxxin> what are the correct paths for gprs data
Nov 07 01:08:21 <Dave> Tasn, it's finished!?
Nov 07 01:08:35 <TAsn> Dave, it's a gui for you the control what i stated above
Nov 07 01:08:45 <TAsn> for that, it's an ugly gui that works ;]
Nov 07 01:09:07 <TAsn> though i should really ask mickey about resource suspend versus resource disable
Nov 07 01:09:13 <slaxxin> can i has debian ?
Nov 07 01:09:17 <TAsn> slaxxin, i don't get you question.
Nov 07 01:09:22 <TAsn> slaxxin, it works on debian...
Nov 07 01:09:30 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 07 01:09:42 <TAsn> as the package states, it depends only on frameworkd
Nov 07 01:09:45 <Dave> I know!
Nov 07 01:09:48 <Dave> I was here this afternoon :P
Nov 07 01:09:50 <Dave> I remember
Nov 07 01:09:52 <slaxxin> i know now
Nov 07 01:10:06 <Dave> now he knows1
Nov 07 01:10:07 <Dave> !
Nov 07 01:10:14 <TAsn> btw, iirc, ipk's are debs with a different name so i think you can apt install it after you rename it.
Nov 07 01:10:15 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 07 01:10:28 <slaxxin> ok
Nov 07 01:10:40 <TAsn> Dave, let's just hope people will find good use for it.
Nov 07 01:10:41 <slaxxin> thats funny
Nov 07 01:10:47 <TAsn> slaxxin, ?
Nov 07 01:11:06 <slaxxin> hidden debian
Nov 07 01:11:30 <TAsn> slaxxin, the package system? yeah. ;]
Nov 07 01:11:40 <TAsn> it's debian packs version 2 or something like that.
Nov 07 01:12:20 <TAsn> Dave, anyhow, i will be more than glad if people will polish it and maybe add features.
Nov 07 01:12:26 <TAsn> next thing is sound control...
Nov 07 01:12:58 <TAsn> building a settings application for fso is easy, i can finish it in a flash...
Nov 07 01:13:02 <TAsn> (ugly but works)
Nov 07 01:13:25 <Dave> :D
Nov 07 01:13:28 <Dave> gimme gimme gimme
Nov 07 01:13:32 <Dave> I'll break it!
Nov 07 01:13:36 <TAsn> download it.
Nov 07 01:13:55 <TAsn> actually it's mostly written late at night, i think i will clean the code for a sec ;]
Nov 07 01:14:01 <TAsn> it's actually ugly as hell now. ;]
Nov 07 01:15:39 <TAsn> hehe now it's improving a lot.
Nov 07 01:15:39 <TAsn> ;]
Nov 07 01:26:39 <TAsn> Dave, 0.3 is out, it has a bit cleaner code, same link, though 0.3 instead of 0.2
Nov 07 01:26:43 <TAsn> hack as you like
Nov 07 01:26:45 <TAsn> night ;]
Nov 07 01:27:51 <evolux> night
Nov 07 01:28:05 <slaxxin> Dave bears down
Nov 07 01:44:48 <jonkristian> What's this? angstrom-version_P1-Snapshot-20081107-r1_om-gta02.opk
Nov 07 01:50:09 <yabo> good night
Nov 07 01:50:37 <slaxxin> its your new stuff
Nov 07 01:52:50 <jonkristian> slaxxin: what is contained in it?
Nov 07 01:53:39 <jonkristian> I couldn't find any info
Nov 07 01:53:49 <jonkristian> Is it like the base system, wrapped up in that pkg
Nov 07 01:54:52 <slaxxin> the latest  from the looks of it
Nov 07 01:55:59 <jonkristian> yeah, i just upgraded, is there a changelog or something with it somewhere?
Nov 07 01:57:36 <slaxxin> this isnt slackware
Nov 07 01:57:46 <slaxxin> sorry
Nov 07 01:58:02 <slaxxin> there migfht be  somewhere though
Nov 07 01:58:25 <slaxxin> if theres not   its a real problem
Nov 07 02:01:42 <jonkristian> Does this line look ok to you? wep, iwconfig eth0 key 3a4e765a634d744d246d4f7a6f essid speedtouch
Nov 07 02:02:11 <jonkristian> Doesn't seem to work, alternatively i have :NvZcMtM$mOzo
Nov 07 02:06:00 * SpeedEvil hacks jonkristians router.
Nov 07 02:06:33 <SpeedEvil> Have you tried it without WEP?
Nov 07 02:06:39 <SpeedEvil> And what messages do youg et?
Nov 07 02:06:56 <jonkristian> SpeedEvil: barely, not manually without wep.
Nov 07 02:07:55 <jonkristian> I don't want to change my router setup, so i'll do some testing tomorrow at my parents house, without encryption.
Nov 07 02:08:01 <SpeedEvil> :/
Nov 07 02:08:19 <SpeedEvil> Umm.
Nov 07 02:08:23 <SpeedEvil> Might it be key0 ?
Nov 07 02:08:24 <jonkristian> setting essid and key works, i also got lease for 10.0.0.2 from the router, so something is working
Nov 07 02:08:39 <jonkristian> however afterwards, it doesn't really do much, hehe.
Nov 07 02:09:06 <SpeedEvil> I don't know what the software installed does.
Nov 07 02:09:21 <jonkristian> tried pinging
Nov 07 02:09:24 <jonkristian> no response
Nov 07 02:09:43 <SpeedEvil> Is there a route?
Nov 07 02:09:55 <jonkristian> i just wanted to know if the key im using looks alright, i heard something about hex vs. ascii etc, not sure.
Nov 07 02:10:10 <SpeedEvil> 26 hex digits
Nov 07 02:10:19 <SpeedEvil> For a 'long' WEP key.
Nov 07 02:12:08 <jonkristian> it definatley finds the router, but it's getting some weird ip instead of the usual 10.x.x.x
Nov 07 02:13:11 <SpeedEvil> Tell it static?
Nov 07 02:13:40 <jonkristian> ill try
Nov 07 02:13:58 <Dave> :o
Nov 07 02:14:30 <SpeedEvil> Also - have a look on the wiki.
Nov 07 02:14:57 <SpeedEvil> It may well have some totally outdated information that will utterly confuse you that you can fix later when you get it working.
Nov 07 02:15:08 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 07 02:16:00 <jonkristian> SpeedEvil: thanks:)
Nov 07 02:16:07 <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
Nov 07 02:18:21 <gurugentoo> so...no missed call screen on SHR?
Nov 07 02:18:50 <gurugentoo> who the heck just called me 
Nov 07 02:20:53 <phobie> What is the difference between the fso-testing and the om-daily images?
Nov 07 02:21:04 <gurugentoo> is there a log file anywhere?
Nov 07 02:27:48 <phobie> Oh please too much feedback
Nov 07 02:27:50 <phobie> ;)
Nov 07 02:48:42 <gurugentoo> mmm delicious echo
Nov 07 02:50:09 <Dave> bleh :p
Nov 07 02:51:56 <gurugentoo> is there an imagge with a working fix available?
Nov 07 02:52:00 <gurugentoo> image
Nov 07 02:58:25 <Dave> probably not
Nov 07 02:58:35 <gurugentoo> rats
Nov 07 02:59:26 <gurugentoo> I thought the echo cancellation command worked...not so much?
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