**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 09 02:59:57 2008 Nov 09 03:04:24 But I can't find hidd I need to connect Nov 09 03:18:03 Anyone else know how to use BT on FR? Nov 09 03:19:51 just lookup generic linux instructions on bt keyboards Nov 09 03:19:54 Guess I'll have to try again later. Nov 09 03:20:03 depending on the version of bluez, hidd is no longer around Nov 09 03:21:53 hm Nov 09 03:22:06 anyone play with olsrd before? Nov 09 03:52:04 Anyone else know how to use BT on FR? Nov 09 03:55:29 blues Nov 09 03:55:42 hcitool hciconfig hidd Nov 09 03:56:25 but I dont have hidd on my FR? Nov 09 03:58:38 you trying to connect a keyboard or mouse to freerunner? Nov 09 03:58:50 keyboard Nov 09 03:58:51 i think hidd may be needed Nov 09 03:59:16 use like hcitool scan (find the bt addr) then hidd --connect mouseadr Nov 09 03:59:39 so i thinks you need hidd Nov 09 03:59:57 -sh: hidd: not found Nov 09 04:00:28 well look for it in opkg Nov 09 04:00:56 Nothing Nov 09 04:02:25 lol google for openmoko hidd Nov 09 04:02:31 its kinda funny Nov 09 04:02:44 Openmoko Bug #1846: hidd missing from "testing" feed Nov 09 04:02:48 heh Nov 09 04:02:54 I did. it returns remoko Nov 09 04:03:00 i can see how you dont see that as funny though Nov 09 04:03:25 really not on my google Nov 09 04:03:50 but i forget google likes to tailor searches to the user/ip Nov 09 04:04:00 Maybe it was wikisearch on openmoko. Nov 09 04:04:02 thats a bit scary Nov 09 04:04:34 funny cause i think it would be included in blues-utils Nov 09 04:05:01 bluez-utils is up to date )-: Nov 09 04:05:17 It's getting late. I'll try again later. Nov 09 04:05:52 nite. Nov 09 04:42:59 wassa Nov 09 04:43:55 how to wipe out the existing kernel and rootfs in NAND Nov 09 04:46:52 how to wipe out the existing kernel and rootfs in NAND Nov 09 04:47:51 overwrite it with another? Nov 09 04:48:12 hello again chewbacca Nov 09 04:52:17 in FDOM, playing audio is fine, but, it plays in the speakers as well as on the earplugs Nov 09 04:52:23 how can I make it use the earphones and not the external speakers? Nov 09 04:53:57 nhmmmmmmm Nov 09 04:54:10 thats intrestring Nov 09 04:54:34 does your phone ring through the speakes as well? Nov 09 04:55:11 slaxxin: i am not using a SIM card Nov 09 04:55:18 ok Nov 09 04:55:21 slaxxin: just want to use it as a media player for now Nov 09 04:56:52 if there is no earphones plugged in, it should use the external speakers, otherwise, it should use the earphones Nov 09 06:08:44 Updated GTA01 kernel (with GPS/SD card interference fixes) posted, for those interested: http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels Nov 09 06:20:17 how to wipe out the existing kernel and rootfs in NAND? not overwrite it with another Nov 09 07:11:52 mwester, does the gta02 not suffer from this interference ? Nov 09 07:18:56 hipitihop: GTA01 at least suffers from it much less. GTA02 was unusuable without patches. Nov 09 07:19:15 hipitihop: GTA01 is quite usable without patches, though I don't know if it's more accurate with them. Nov 09 07:21:52 SpeedEvil, I have a gta02 so I guess the question should have been "is there a patched kernel for the gta02 also" Nov 09 07:22:08 thye patches went in some time ago. Nov 09 07:22:12 As I understand it. Nov 09 07:22:18 Do you have problems with GPS? Nov 09 07:24:46 currently experimenting with QTExtended which does not have a GPS app so technically not an issue yet. Nov 09 07:25:27 * hipitihop I'll be back later Nov 09 07:43:22 is the FR meant for Stylus operation only? Nov 09 07:43:44 No. Nov 09 07:43:46 I insert my mirosd card and use fdisk split it and use mkfs.vfat format it but I can't get micro sd partition after reboot , Nov 09 07:43:51 It's meant to be usable by fingers. Nov 09 07:43:51 because, with finger usage its very hard to use. Witha pointing device its easy. Nov 09 07:44:02 ajuonline: it's not ready yet :/ Nov 09 07:44:45 i think its because of the software stack Nov 09 07:44:51 coz i suppose the hardware is good Nov 09 07:45:13 I can use fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 and type "p" find two partition ,but can't find it in /dev/ directory Nov 09 07:56:57 ChandleWEi: any mmcblk in /proc/partitions? Nov 09 07:57:05 ChandleWEi: if yes, any in /proc/mounts? Nov 09 07:58:16 hi Nov 09 07:59:05 lo Nov 09 08:03:44 Is there a doc on the keyboard in 2008.9 ?! Nov 09 08:04:25 PloenK, what would you like to know? Nov 09 08:05:09 It is automatically inventing words :-) .. I'd like to stop that Nov 09 08:05:52 it's very useful if you type a text...what language are you using? Nov 09 08:06:11 bash :-) Nov 09 08:06:38 i.e. I am trying to issue commands Nov 09 08:12:00 quickdev: but also when creating contacts it does not do any good Nov 09 08:12:22 PloenK, you could use the terminal keyboard Nov 09 08:12:46 I am sure I am making some fundamental mistake Nov 09 08:12:53 how can I get there?! Nov 09 08:13:12 click on the upper right icon on the keyboard Nov 09 08:29:14 hi Nov 09 09:12:02 quickdev: sorry, was flushing back to vanilla 2008.9 Nov 09 09:12:21 still the same thing Nov 09 09:12:39 no matter which app Nov 09 09:32:45 quickdev: ok, I was using the virtual keyboard :-( Nov 09 09:32:49 solved Nov 09 09:39:15 Any updates on the Android release? Nov 09 09:41:44 I drop by and ask this fairly often, but I have not received an answer yet: Does anyone else have problems with pre-formatted text when editing the wiki? Nov 09 09:41:52 i.e. even when nothing is changed, the preformat flag is gone? Nov 09 09:45:09 Gromgull1, I have not seen that - what page(s) are you seeing that on? Nov 09 09:45:36 hi all :) Nov 09 09:45:51 KenYoung, many Nov 09 09:45:59 Just now it was editing a section on the Python page Nov 09 09:46:06 Gromgull1, What browser do you use? Nov 09 09:46:10 You can "fix" it by adding
 
aroudn the text Nov 09 09:46:11 FF3 Nov 09 09:46:19 I can find a diff where it went wrong, hang on Nov 09 09:46:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Debian&diff=prev&oldid=57265 Nov 09 09:46:50 here f.x. Nov 09 09:47:07 I only added the ToDo line, but some magic was lost for other lines Nov 09 09:47:23 although the look identical on this page Nov 09 09:47:35 i have problems with mms configuration on QtExtended Nov 09 09:48:13 someone have succesfull this ? Nov 09 09:49:00 gromgull, Are you sure you didn't remove whitespace at the beginning of lines? The wiki will accept as pre-formatted any lines whithin paragraphs with start with whitespace. Nov 09 09:49:20 I am sure I did not change it - it could be that firefox somehow trims the lines for me Nov 09 09:49:28 but then all wikipedia contributors would also have this problem? Nov 09 09:50:01 Does it work for you? Try editting a section somewhere with preformatted text and preview with no changes? Nov 09 09:50:04 gromgull, I put preformatted text in a page I maintain (orrery), and I have not run into that problem. Nov 09 09:51:35 so I take the revision history section on that page, edit just he section, and click preview and change nothing, the pre-formatting is lost Nov 09 09:51:37 weeeeird Nov 09 09:51:47 let me try iwth opera Nov 09 09:51:50 Wow - let me look at that! Nov 09 09:52:15 I didn't save, but try just editing a section, not the whoel page, maybe that is the reason? Nov 09 09:52:43 gromgull, Please do it again, and save it. I'll look at it on my end. Nov 09 09:53:05 done - now it's broken :) Nov 09 09:53:45 it also breaks in opera, so it's not a browser issue... Nov 09 09:53:58 gromgull, You're right. Somehow your browser is stripping out the whitespace. Nov 09 09:54:29 I've seen it happen to other people, some of the pages I watch also had all the preformatting disappear Nov 09 09:57:14 how to configure audio only for earphones in FDOM image and not to the external speakers? Nov 09 09:57:27 So it happens across browsers, but only to some people - this is very odd. Nov 09 09:58:49 gromgull, It's very odd indeed. I could not get it back to preformatted by puting the whitespace back in. I surround it with
 
. I use FF 3.0.3, and I've never seen that behaviour. Nov 09 09:59:49 I suppose that trying to IRC with SSH->screen -rd with openmoko's xterm is pretty useless Nov 09 09:59:52 SOrry I'm no help. Nov 09 09:59:53 since it cant detach Nov 09 10:00:01 or is there a way to detach with openmoko Nov 09 10:00:40 KenYoung: I created a preformatted part on my user page now, then I can create it and edit it later without it getting corrupted Nov 09 10:01:12 hmm... as if the spaces have somehow been removed in the database, and the rendered HTML is cached... but then it woudl happen to everyone Nov 09 10:02:37 Is it possible to connect USB peripherals to FR? I tried connecting USB key and a USB keyboard, but they didn't seem to work... I used b-a+a-a+a-peripheral cables Nov 09 10:03:18 emilis_info, you need to set the usb to host mode first Nov 09 10:03:19 emilis_info: I know people have used both mice and keyboards Nov 09 10:03:24 exactly... what he said :) Nov 09 10:03:34 spydon, how do I do this? Nov 09 10:04:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host Nov 09 10:04:30 emilis_info, THere's a package called USBchmod at the gForge site that purports to do that, I've never tried it. Nov 09 10:07:25 thank you Nov 09 10:07:41 np Nov 09 10:11:25 Can someone running 2008.09 or testing tell me if they have a /dev/dsp file? Nov 09 10:12:25 it seems one should do Nov 09 10:12:26 but I dont Nov 09 10:13:21 yay it works :D Nov 09 10:14:10 gromgull, I'm running 2009.9, and I have a /dev/dsp Nov 09 10:14:23 ooop 2008.9! Nov 09 10:15:07 Thanks again KenYoung - could you also paste me the output of lsmod? Nov 09 10:15:23 g... switching to text terminal was not a very good idea... Nov 09 10:15:24 :) Nov 09 10:15:55 gromgull, That will take a minute. Nov 09 10:16:12 sure Nov 09 10:18:40 gromgull, http://www.pastebin.ca/1249431 Nov 09 10:18:56 THere's not much there - is that what you were looking for? Nov 09 10:22:37 weird Nov 09 10:22:44 I have a bunch of snd_blah modules loaded Nov 09 10:23:07 and usb things - but that could be because I have usb networking enabled Nov 09 10:23:16 i.e. it's plugged in atm Nov 09 10:23:29 gromgull, Me too. Nov 09 10:23:41 anyone of you running Android? I can't find out why Android doesn't boot all the way without the USB cable or charger connected.. Nov 09 10:24:36 it has been that way since day one, have done multiple install since... all the same Nov 09 10:25:00 triple boot android, devian and fdom at the moment.. love my freerunner :) Nov 09 10:25:14 debian Nov 09 10:28:00 hmm, is it already possible to do calls with the android stack? Nov 09 10:28:11 yes Nov 09 10:28:25 but there is no button to answer incoming calls Nov 09 10:28:39 yikes Nov 09 10:49:25 heh Nov 09 10:49:42 who cares about incoming calls anyway Nov 09 10:49:54 they just bother you about something or other Nov 09 10:50:10 exactly :P Nov 09 10:50:25 ljp, Yeah - There are times when I'd be willing to pay an extra fee for a phone which only mankes outgoing calls. Nov 09 10:50:42 like "why arent you in this meeting?" Nov 09 10:51:01 ljp, Yup Nov 09 10:51:16 Hmm. Nov 09 10:51:22 my dad just turns his off and uses it to make calls Nov 09 10:51:34 That's actually a use-case for which the buzz isn't an issue. Nov 09 10:51:46 ljp, OM is missing a potential marketing opportunity. Nov 09 10:51:48 If you turn off the mic Nov 09 10:52:23 Ignore me. Nov 09 10:53:07 http://www.sexyhotbeauty.com/2007/10/eva-green-will-break-your-heart/ Nov 09 10:55:28 Err Nov 09 10:55:37 sure this is the right channel? ;) Nov 09 10:55:38 mispaste, sorry, nsfw Nov 09 10:56:05 SpeedEvil, DON'T apologise for that! Nov 09 10:56:55 Sorry, I just got up am in completely unreasonable pain. (bent down to replace cheese in mousetrap, back went spang on the way up) Nov 09 10:58:54 * SpeedEvil departs for bed. (at 11AM) Nov 09 11:18:58 SpeedEvil: so its a killing mousetrap :( Nov 09 11:53:11 moin Nov 09 11:54:33 moarnaan' Nov 09 11:54:45 hyvää iltapäivää Nov 09 11:55:00 god morgen Nov 09 11:55:19 jonkristian: tarkoititko: guten morgen Nov 09 11:55:52 :) Nov 09 11:56:01 btw its 1356 here already so not much morning in that left Nov 09 12:40:56 how can i disable output to external speakers in FDOM, and only use output to earphones? Nov 09 13:09:56 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8d138f17daab 10/framework/resource.py: Merge branch 'stabilization/milestone4' Nov 09 14:40:38 re Nov 09 14:40:59 re :) Nov 09 15:26:25 !es Nov 09 15:27:40 Hello. Nov 09 15:27:41 join #gentoo-kde Nov 09 15:28:00 do i have to? Nov 09 15:29:04 * mwester_ shoos cjb_ie on his way Nov 09 15:29:06 Does anyone here know if there are any OpenMoko emulators/images that will work with QTemu? Nov 09 15:29:50 There's the qemu for Openmoko. I didn't find that it worked very well, though. Nov 09 15:39:10 Qtemu is just a frontend for Qemu, so it might be an idea for Tetracomm to stop asking for that specifically ;) Nov 09 15:39:51 leinir: So which image can I download from OpenMoko's website for use in Qtemu? Nov 09 15:40:16 Tetracomm: Qemu :) Nov 09 15:41:00 It is asking for .qte files. Nov 09 15:41:42 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU Nov 09 15:42:13 Well, you can build a qtemu settings file from any qemu image iirc... Nov 09 15:42:17 a while since i used it, though :) Nov 09 15:46:48 Ok. Nov 09 15:47:38 hay algun canal de openmoko en espalol ???????' Nov 09 15:47:49 channel in spanish?????? Nov 09 15:53:01 CYR, I don't think so... Nov 09 15:54:00 Hmm... it would seem you are correct, Tetracomm, my googling skills are not helping me out here, i can't find a way to make a qemu image into a qte image Nov 09 15:59:12 :( Nov 09 15:59:41 Try asking in #qemu though, they might have an idea :) Nov 09 15:59:55 Ok, thank you. Nov 09 16:05:08 have problems with gprs chat script after connect pppd give me default local and remote ip Nov 09 16:05:20 illume on debian: https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/2008-11-09-153840_480x640_scrot.png :> Nov 09 16:05:25 (after succesfull chat Nov 09 16:05:56 hiciu: :) Nov 09 16:09:01 any help ? Nov 09 16:38:52 ahoi Nov 09 17:37:10 greetings Nov 09 17:38:24 I borrowed a free runner from a friend who has just installed andriod on it. but I can not seem to find any text entry method, no virtual keyboard or hand recognition Nov 09 17:39:21 smhar: I don't think android has a software keyboard yet Nov 09 17:39:46 stevenSn: so it is for show only?! now atleast? Nov 09 17:40:32 I think so Nov 09 17:41:43 ok, so since I will have this for a week only before I return it to my friend, what is the best distro to install to use it. and get the feel of it Nov 09 17:43:58 hello =D Nov 09 17:44:32 did bearstech update their shr-distro this friday? =) Nov 09 17:45:03 If you want to get the feel for things FDOM might not be an okay one to try (I haven't used it myself, I'm on 2008.09) Nov 09 17:45:41 Fougner, there are new images, yes Nov 09 17:45:42 hi!! Nov 09 17:46:33 quickdev, nice, they made some updates I guess? Nov 09 17:46:41 stevenSn: ok, or not ok? Nov 09 17:46:47 could you tell me if the new palm treo pro can be locked by att to use only with them? Nov 09 17:46:48 Fougner, have you already tried shr once? Nov 09 17:48:00 smhar: what's ok or not okay? 2008.09? or FDOM? Nov 09 17:49:01 Fougner, in this second a new image arrived ;) Nov 09 17:49:03 stevenSn: FDOM, you previous post said not FDOM not okay but context sounds like ok Nov 09 17:49:52 stevenSN: Sorry, I meant, Android is probably not useable for a lot. FDOM is probably a good choice of a dist to put on for getting the feel of things. Nov 09 17:50:08 quickdev, I think I tried it out a few days ago =) Nov 09 17:50:30 Fougner, did it have the white or black interface? Nov 09 17:50:48 language-support, and so on.. quickdev, white =) Nov 09 17:51:30 what is the linux program that prints to a terminal window the results of a keypress? Nov 09 17:51:41 Fougner, ah, ok ;) atm we're trying to get some nice look into the image ;) Nov 09 17:51:49 x-event or something? Nov 09 17:53:03 quickdev, ah, you're the developer =P so, I did try out the white:ish one a few days ago.. will there be major differences or just a few tweaks? =) Nov 09 17:54:09 Fougner, there's a settings application for profiles (default, silent) and some icons (but not all yet). And some minor tweaks, yeah ;) Nov 09 17:57:03 ok dudes thanks for the help .... not Nov 09 17:57:12 xev and xmodmap were what i was looking for Nov 09 17:57:13 bye Nov 09 17:57:41 quickdev, I've had trouble with qt and debian to get GPS, Wifi and bt to work.. is it easy to do in shr? =) Nov 09 17:58:06 GPS works...wifi and bt should work via command line Nov 09 17:59:01 hi, what are the news of the new shr release of some minutes ago? Nov 09 18:00:22 sylar, there's a settings application for profiles (default, silent) and some icons (but not all yet). And some minor tweaks, yeah ;) Nov 09 18:01:40 is now fixed numptyphisycs? Nov 09 18:05:49 sylar, yes, it should work Nov 09 18:08:38 quickdev: and what's different from the other snapshot of today? Nov 09 18:09:49 hi. did anybody successfully connect to android using adb? Nov 09 18:22:10 yo, is someone working on an android soft keyboard? Nov 09 18:26:42 igor321: Dave Nov 09 18:27:11 igor321: http://www.slashphone.com/soft-qwerty-keyboard-for-android-available-in-q1-2009-232801 Nov 09 18:35:57 ehm.... there is a regression with the latest image of shr! Nov 09 18:36:19 what has regressed? :) Nov 09 18:37:07 there aren't some icons, illume has less items in the panel and there is nothing new Nov 09 18:37:44 oh :) Nov 09 18:39:25 hi Fradeve Nov 09 18:39:45 are you the author of http://fradeve.netsons.org/ ? Nov 09 18:46:00 hello, is it worth trying om2008.9 testing? Nov 09 19:05:31 how can I manually export data from openstreetmap.org into tangogps? =) Nov 09 19:05:45 for example save all mapdata for a city? Nov 09 19:07:03 sa in "save images" ? Nov 09 19:12:37 Fougner: go to the area you want, zoom in as far as you've got maps Nov 09 19:13:07 Fougner: find 'get to depth 4' in the setups. Nov 09 19:13:24 Fougner: then you can zoom in more Nov 09 19:15:32 SpeedEvil, Format to Export? Nov 09 19:15:43 Fougner: no - ignore that totally Nov 09 19:15:52 Fougner: you want the tabs in tangogps Nov 09 19:16:00 Fougner: it downloads the tiles itself Nov 09 19:16:54 http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/8-User-Manual.html#extended Nov 09 19:17:05 you need to set 'repository' to OSM Nov 09 19:17:58 uhm, SpeedEvil, I want to manually export it from OSM Nov 09 19:18:03 that's what I asked for Nov 09 19:18:07 Fougner: you a;lmost can't. Nov 09 19:18:12 oh. Nov 09 19:18:31 Fougner: that would involve downloading the appropriate osm file for your area, and setting up a local renderer Nov 09 19:18:46 Fougner: which is possible, but very non-trivial. Nov 09 19:19:34 yaah I Nov 09 19:20:07 yeah I see. Nov 09 19:21:23 I'm on SHR, and I need network on the phone to download it :P Nov 09 19:21:29 GPRS are expensive xD Nov 09 19:21:29 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Deploying_your_own_Slippy_Map Nov 09 19:21:49 Fougner: connect it up to a cheap net. Nov 09 19:22:00 Fougner: download for the area(s) you want Nov 09 19:22:30 SpeedEvil, to a cheap net? Nov 09 19:22:41 Fougner: over USB Nov 09 19:23:01 hehe, well, I'm having a hard time to do that Nov 09 19:23:12 I don't know why, but it says "network down" Nov 09 19:24:34 hm, let's restart Nov 09 19:24:54 \ Nov 09 19:25:02 do I need an antenna to get the GPS to work ? =) Nov 09 19:25:05 Ptobably a good idea getting USB networking working. Nov 09 19:25:07 Fougner: no Nov 09 19:25:48 SpeedEvil, I had it working on the last three distros I've tried. Nov 09 19:39:25 openmoko: 03werner * r4775 10/developers/werner/owping/ (README owping.c owping.h rx.c tx.c): Nov 09 19:39:25 openmoko: Make it a bit more convenient to use. Nov 09 19:39:25 openmoko: - the host can now be by specified by name Nov 09 19:39:25 openmoko: - new option -p port to set the port number by name or number Nov 09 19:39:25 openmoko: - receiver prints statistics if interrupted by SIGINT Nov 09 19:50:26 Hi Nov 09 19:50:39 I'm trying to bitbake meta-toolchain-openmoko Nov 09 19:50:50 but it stops on edje-sdk Nov 09 19:51:09 hello, i installed the base image and the testing repos in it and i get that: http://rafb.net/p/2ozHMd97.html is it a known issue? Nov 09 19:51:19 bitbake edje-sdk chokes on some compile errors Nov 09 19:55:03 anyone...even qtopia can't be installed Nov 09 19:56:55 some shr specialists here? Nov 09 19:57:30 how do i handle the power management, the screen is turned off after 20 secs or so? Nov 09 20:03:22 when i plug in the usb cable to the freerunner it does not fit very good into it. its a little bit loose and i can move it from right to left. in front/backward direction it fits good. is this normal? Nov 09 20:05:29 mmm...removing the testing feed doesn't work...is there anyone there? Nov 09 20:05:48 mokel: mine seems the same... of course, it depends on interpretation of "loose" Nov 09 20:05:53 Sort of here GNUtoo - what is your trouble? Nov 09 20:06:02 mine can be tilted a bit... but overall it seems ok Nov 09 20:06:18 dent: it does not fall out, bit a good fit is something else Nov 09 20:06:19 Gromgull1, with the base image i get that : http://rafb.net/p/2ozHMd97.html Nov 09 20:06:49 So you added testing feeds Nov 09 20:06:55 so you delete /etc/opkg/testing.conf Nov 09 20:06:56 again Nov 09 20:06:59 and rerun opkg update Nov 09 20:07:00 Gromgull1, with and without the testing feed Nov 09 20:07:04 and it shouldn't try to get the new one? Nov 09 20:07:24 re-trying Nov 09 20:07:50 if that doesn't help it could also be that the repos is broken atm. Nov 09 20:07:58 I know I have installed mplayer both in stable and testing w/o trouble Nov 09 20:08:55 http://rafb.net/p/JFwxSx85.html Nov 09 20:09:02 that was without testing... Nov 09 20:09:21 i can't install qtopia either... Nov 09 20:10:07 Hmm - then I don't really know Nov 09 20:10:15 ok Nov 09 20:10:15 sorry :) Nov 09 20:10:21 thanks anyway for your help Nov 09 20:12:58 bye Nov 09 20:15:08 mrmoku: hi, system_timeout=0? Nov 09 20:15:36 mrmoku: i dont know the correct syntax, new to fso/shr stuff Nov 09 20:15:46 BluesLee: supsend=0 Nov 09 20:15:59 mrmoku: okay Nov 09 20:16:01 BluesLee: within the idlenotifier section Nov 09 20:17:28 mrmoku: is it possible to configure it properly within e? Nov 09 20:18:38 BluesLee: don't think so - also I think right now you have to restart frameworkd after changing Nov 09 20:19:16 the power button ist orange Nov 09 20:19:18 hmm Nov 09 20:19:41 does not shutdown properly, killed and restarted x didnt work Nov 09 20:20:16 orange means it is charging and not yet full Nov 09 20:20:43 mrmoku: i disconnected it from usb Nov 09 20:20:53 mrmoku: but it stayed with orange Nov 09 20:21:17 mrmoku: looks very promising!!! Nov 09 20:22:24 mrmoku: what is included in that image, gsm phoen calls? sms? Nov 09 20:22:36 mrmoku: okay, now i can test it Nov 09 20:22:42 BluesLee: what image? Nov 09 20:23:06 mrmoku: shr Nov 09 20:24:02 BluesLee: so gsm phone calls, sms and tangoGPS should work Nov 09 20:26:05 mrmoku: will play around, are you from the shr team? Nov 09 20:26:07 is there any way to see missed phone calls in shr? Nov 09 20:26:37 BluesLee: not yet, just user Nov 09 20:27:09 samgee: no not yet either - but it's on the list of next things to do, I think Nov 09 20:27:17 cool Nov 09 20:49:22 When will the next openmoko design get out? Nov 09 20:50:50 when will android be fully ported? Nov 09 20:50:54 :P Nov 09 20:51:17 When will the sun burn out? Nov 09 20:51:23 Google phone sucks. Nov 09 20:51:28 Well... They have promised to start shipping devices with it end of this month, so... ;) Nov 09 20:51:38 I do not like the circular shape of the current OpenMoko design, neither its plastic ouch. Nov 09 20:51:55 touch Nov 09 20:52:01 i've grown quite fond of it :) Nov 09 20:52:12 leinir: Yes, but did they promise that android will actually work when it ships? Certainly Om did not... :D Nov 09 20:52:17 As for the plastic, it feels very solid, and i like that part of it from the start :) Nov 09 20:52:34 leinir, not me Nov 09 20:52:50 s/and i like/and i liked/ Nov 09 20:52:50 leinir meant: As for the plastic, it feels very solid, and i liked that part of it from the start :) Nov 09 20:53:23 I have installed Debian etch on my phone Nov 09 20:54:03 .oO( what does one do with _that_ _old_ stuff? ) Nov 09 20:54:05 i like the rubber coating... Nov 09 20:55:28 is the white screen of death reported with gta02v06, too? Nov 09 20:55:59 oh yes Nov 09 20:56:03 mmh Nov 09 20:56:11 any news how to fix? Nov 09 20:56:39 I have never seen a WSOD on my gta02v06 Nov 09 20:56:42 Dave: latest SHR alpha is out Nov 09 20:57:56 mokolade: lucky you :( Nov 09 21:00:23 mrmoku, do you get WSOD on all distros? fdom, debian, fso and so on? Nov 09 21:00:30 or just one of them? Nov 09 21:00:40 i get it with fdom on v05 Nov 09 21:02:16 mokolade: everyone I tried - and I tried all of them :) Nov 09 21:02:26 and you have v06? Nov 09 21:02:34 yep Nov 09 21:02:36 mmh Nov 09 21:02:37 ok Nov 09 21:04:30 hmm, strange, only thing I can think of that maybe is different on my gta02v06 is I have only been using 1GB SanDisk microSD cards... Nov 09 21:05:55 I tried with the one that came with the phone, a 8GB SanDisk and without a microSD card... makes no difference Nov 09 21:05:56 is the power consumption of the v05 leds fixed on the massproduction or do they still take 150mw? Nov 09 21:07:19 mrmoku, okay. I guess I'm just lucky then. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket :) Nov 09 21:08:40 anybody know which kernel here : qtextended-4.4.2-gta02-rootfs-release-working-with_voip+jabber+gtalk+SystemRingTones.jffs2 ? Nov 09 21:09:55 mokolade: try, but you might allready have consumed all your luck ;) Nov 09 21:10:18 hehe :) Nov 09 21:11:59 btw, does anyone have a kernel with some common usb wifi drivers/modules in it? Nov 09 21:12:59 Is it complicated to build my own kernel? any wiki? Nov 09 21:14:03 mokolade: you need the toolchain and in the kernel sources is a build script included Nov 09 21:14:51 mrmoku: is it possible to maximize all windows automatically, can i resize the toolbar? Nov 09 21:16:21 BluesLee: what do you mean by maximizing all windows? The toolbar on top can be resized if you tap on it and tap on the configure icon... Nov 09 21:16:45 mrmoku, thanks. I'll give it a try, but I'm no linux guru :) Nov 09 21:16:55 mrmoku: my toolbar is at the bottom, where do i configure it? Nov 09 21:17:18 BluesLee: so you're not using SHR? Nov 09 21:17:36 mrmoku: the windows should start 480x640 more or less Nov 09 21:17:48 mrmoku: i am using todays image Nov 09 21:17:58 mokolade: it's not that difficult - good luck Nov 09 21:18:19 mrmoku: and my toolbar is at the bottom, battery applet and so on Nov 09 21:18:27 BluesLee: today's image from shr.bearstech.com? or openmoko.org? Nov 09 21:18:44 mrmoku: shr ... where is the difference? Nov 09 21:19:39 BluesLee: openmoko.org is ASU which is based on qtopia ported to X11. SHR is something different. Based on freesmartphone.org Nov 09 21:20:00 mrmoku: okay, than i am fine with shr:-) Nov 09 21:21:52 BluesLee: I'm quite happy with SHR. Getting better every day. If you need help with SHR... The SHR guys are in #openmoko-cdevel Nov 09 21:22:53 hey, i thanx Nov 09 21:23:09 welcome Nov 09 21:29:12 Can the OpenMoko A-GPS fall back to conventional GPS to avoid charges for contacting the A-GSP assistance server? Nov 09 21:30:05 ...what charges? Nov 09 21:30:42 charges when connecting to internet to contact the A-GSP assistance server Nov 09 21:31:10 leinir, "A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use an internet connection to contact the assistance server." Nov 09 21:31:23 Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Nov 09 21:31:37 Well, it has never done that for me, seeing as i don't have GPRS set up at all :) Nov 09 21:31:43 And GPS still works :) Nov 09 21:32:05 davi: At the moment there's no program that's trying to connect to the internet Nov 09 21:32:20 So the chip is just running as regular GPS at the moment Nov 09 21:32:38 Thanks alphaone Nov 09 21:32:59 So it will depend on the image you are using, say Qtopia, Android ... Nov 09 21:33:12 None yet support A-GPS? Nov 09 21:33:47 It is a pity have a A-GPS enabled hardware but not being used Nov 09 21:34:18 hehe! It's a pity the hardware can't resume properly from suspend, too! ;) Nov 09 21:34:19 davi: Yeah, it will depend Nov 09 21:34:27 Conventional GPS lack accuracy Nov 09 21:34:32 I think it's a matter of priority for the developers. Nov 09 21:34:44 FSO image is at least saving and restoring the data from the GPS SVs Nov 09 21:34:49 I suspect you would be welcomed if you would volunteer to write the code? Nov 09 21:34:55 davi: That has nothing to do with it Nov 09 21:35:13 davi: DGPS is the one boosting accuracy Nov 09 21:35:25 agps is helping time to first fix Nov 09 21:35:32 wouldnt we aslo need like a gps data server? Nov 09 21:35:42 * mwester_ grouses some more about how many thousands of phones Om sold, and the number of active community developers is so small. Nov 09 21:35:52 And fso image enabled satellite based dgps (SBAS) Nov 09 21:36:10 alphaone, The OpenMoko phone is improving quickly. I like it. Nov 09 21:36:25 alphaone, Has the eco problem be already solved? Nov 09 21:36:38 Well, not as quickly as some of us would like.. Nov 09 21:36:50 mwester_: It just sort of shows on a more obvious, financial scale what the biggest problem in most open source projects is :) Nov 09 21:37:03 faster alphaone faster!! Nov 09 21:37:08 * kd8ikt cracks a whip Nov 09 21:37:10 anybody tried building meta-toolchain-openmoko recently? I got some compile error for edje-sdk and as I'm quite lost in openembedded I don't really know the way out... Nov 09 21:38:29 alphaone, Unfortunately I can not contribute to openmoko yet, due to I am busy with http://gnuherds.org/pledges Nov 09 21:39:20 davi thats a cool website Nov 09 21:39:58 kd8ikt, eight years of work Nov 09 21:40:06 and we have yet a lot to do :) Nov 09 21:40:27 leinir: I don't follow the financial part of that. I'm speaking of the community who bought the phones -- I would expect that at least one out of every 4 or 5 purchasers would have skills to write code. That would be dozens of developers we should have, all volunteering to work. No money changes hands. Nov 09 21:40:56 crap my phones not working Nov 09 21:41:19 mwester_, I'm not a developer ^^ Nov 09 21:41:20 Frankly, given the warnings on the state of the phone, EVERY purchaser should be a developer, and we should have several thousand coders working on this. :( Nov 09 21:41:24 Skills has nothing to do with it - it's part being bothered, part davi's problem... :) Nov 09 21:41:38 Yeah. I suppose you're right. Nov 09 21:42:22 But that's not how open source projects are supposed to work. Nov 09 21:42:39 But I suppose OM needed money, so sellt he phones to anyone. Nov 09 21:42:41 Hehe, you spotted exactly the right term there ;) Nov 09 21:42:45 "supposed to" ;) Nov 09 21:43:07 Hell, we can't get people to even write up usable bug reports :( Nov 09 21:43:35 mwester, just because every purchaser is a developer, doesn't mean that it would be more developers than now Nov 09 21:43:54 never mest with writting bug reports sorry Nov 09 21:44:25 That's unfortunate. Nov 09 21:44:28 mwester, as a "normal" techie guy, what can I do for the community? :P Nov 09 21:44:39 Test, and file useful bug reports! Nov 09 21:44:46 That's a very valuable contribution Nov 09 21:44:53 IMHO you have to get at least 100 phones sold to developers to get one _good_ developer contributing Nov 09 21:45:02 next question would be, "how to file a useful bug report?" Nov 09 21:45:12 but I'd use google for it ^^ Nov 09 21:45:13 google can help there. Nov 09 21:45:32 Basically you need to isolate the problem, and put it in terms that someone can act on. Nov 09 21:45:43 Same rules as when you take your car in for service. Nov 09 21:45:44 "the display doesn't work" Nov 09 21:46:03 or, Nov 09 21:46:10 howbout using fso/zhone pressing asnwer wont accept the call? Nov 09 21:46:15 If you bring it in and say "there's a funny noise in back", well, the mechanic will change anything he feels like, and charge you 10x what it's worth. Nov 09 21:46:35 mwester, that wouldn't work in Sweden ^^ Nov 09 21:46:39 But since opensource "mechanics" can't charge 10x, just nobody will look at it. Nov 09 21:46:53 "the display doesn't work" Answer: "neither do I" :p Nov 09 21:47:01 hehe! Nov 09 21:47:26 OHHHH Nov 09 21:47:27 mwester, maybe there's a special case for bug reports here, so I ask if you have a "OM-spec" page for "how to file useful bug reports" Nov 09 21:48:24 I don't -- I suspect that Om has some guidelines, and since for a while they were just closing ones that didn't follow the guidelines, I would think that they would have the guidelines published on the wiki. Nov 09 21:48:34 That would at least set the minimum requirements. Nov 09 21:48:43 But it's really common sense. Nov 09 21:48:50 mwester, found it Nov 09 21:49:22 a) what did it do, or not do? b) what did you expect or think it should have done, c) how can the developer duplicate this to see it for themselves? Done. Nov 09 21:49:43 So instead of "display doesn't work", it would be something like: Nov 09 21:50:36 Display goes blank after 30 seconds even if I tap the screen. I expect that taps should reset the screen blank timer. This was with the 2007.2 image, version 1.2.3.4, with the xbcdddd package installed. Nov 09 21:52:02 mwester, actually I think I could figure that one out mysqlf :D Nov 09 21:52:05 myself* Nov 09 21:53:52 Of course, much of the problem also is that we have so many different images right now. This hightlights a failure to manage the community project, IMO. It leads to exactly what we see happening -- users just endlessly flash the latest image, changning to a new image each day, so that no image gets properly tested... and users just get annoyed because nothing ever works. Because all the developers are spread out over a dozen projects. Nov 09 21:53:56 Grrr.... Nov 09 21:54:46 mwester, like FDOM, OM2008.8/9 and so on? Nov 09 21:55:26 And android, and qtopia, and qt extended, .... Nov 09 21:55:33 ah well Nov 09 21:55:34 hehe Nov 09 21:55:47 and FSO :) Nov 09 21:55:54 And debian Nov 09 21:56:10 2007.2 Nov 09 21:56:23 That's like... 9 images to flash right there, and that's not the whole list. Nov 09 21:56:28 That's just insane. Nov 09 21:56:29 why don't take all resources and make them work on, for example, OM2008 ? Nov 09 21:56:35 Yes!!!!!! Nov 09 21:56:53 Except that 2008 is a bucket of horse droppings. Nov 09 21:57:03 :))) Nov 09 21:57:23 I mean, even if android would be nice, and Qt, and FSO, and FDOM bla bla, they're not useful until they work Nov 09 21:57:36 Exactly. Nov 09 21:58:11 so please make a stable and useful (simple interface for us braindead customers) distro, Nov 09 21:58:16 The problem is that it is hard to change now. Early on, there was the opportunity for Om to guide the community to a single common base image, and build on that. Nov 09 21:58:32 They realized their mistake, and now support FSO. Nov 09 21:58:45 FSO is the correct solution, IMO (and Om's opinion) Nov 09 21:59:00 FSO is the "global" thing for smartphones huh? Nov 09 21:59:11 Except for Android. Nov 09 21:59:16 yah Nov 09 21:59:24 That's google, they will define their own version of Open and Standard. Nov 09 21:59:27 but that need porting, doesn't it? Nov 09 21:59:31 Yes Nov 09 21:59:34 well Nov 09 21:59:38 that's not open Nov 09 21:59:42 But google has the power to make the kernel comply with google. Nov 09 21:59:42 not in that way Nov 09 21:59:45 Om cannot. Nov 09 22:00:33 I know at least a few people willing to spend some money to get a working distro Nov 09 22:00:59 From a practical point of view, even though it pains me, the only real solution is to tweak the framework so that Android and the framework can use a common kernel, and possibly some common services beneath. Nov 09 22:01:06 Users expect that. Nov 09 22:01:21 well, not me Nov 09 22:01:26 I read the warnings Nov 09 22:01:53 but I also know that open source software very often can take a long time Nov 09 22:02:05 so what I want is speed Nov 09 22:02:16 like commercial software Nov 09 22:02:34 There is a certain "competitive" element to open source, though. I think that Om squandered an opportinity by letting Android and google take the lead. Nov 09 22:02:37 but, with the open source license Nov 09 22:03:37 Now it's going to be much harder to convince the world that a common, open framework for phone-like devices is a good thing -- many, I fear, will just ask "well, why not just use Android?" -- and that's of course, exactly what google want. Nov 09 22:03:52 android is not free Nov 09 22:04:06 most people don't really care. Nov 09 22:04:11 probably not Nov 09 22:04:18 but for those who are "open source" Nov 09 22:04:20 ordinary users unfortunately don't give a ... Nov 09 22:04:38 well, that's really a competitor Nov 09 22:04:42 I have kids. I know that right now, the only thing they care about is what shade of pink the phone comes in. Nov 09 22:04:45 :( Nov 09 22:04:50 big company develops a "open source" OS Nov 09 22:04:58 they regard EULAs and what not as annoying boxes, not thinking what do they really mean Nov 09 22:05:18 right Nov 09 22:05:28 dent, true, and their accept their computers being filled with viruses, software with limits and stuff Nov 09 22:05:34 mwester, how old are they? :P Nov 09 22:05:34 consider the number that think that it's a GOOD thing that apple has a "kill switch". Frightening. Nov 09 22:05:40 Fougner: teens. Nov 09 22:05:45 offtopic, but... maybe not that much: http://xkcd.com/501/ :) Nov 09 22:05:47 yah, I would think so Nov 09 22:05:52 hehe Nov 09 22:06:07 I know what you mean Nov 09 22:06:10 especially girls Nov 09 22:06:23 dent: :D Nov 09 22:06:36 they often ask "can I have a different color?" Nov 09 22:07:20 mwester, apple, kill switch? :S Nov 09 22:08:09 eula Nov 09 22:08:32 I've never read one of those when installing software through synaptic :S Nov 09 22:08:37 what's EULA? ^^ Nov 09 22:09:03 well... ffox is not that far from them - in case you missed that firefox-ubuntu affair Nov 09 22:09:13 I did miss that. Nov 09 22:09:19 It's easier to remember "no warranties for this software.. copy and spread how much you want" Nov 09 22:09:24 * mwester_ goes to google... Nov 09 22:09:37 mwester, send me the link then Nov 09 22:10:14 well, just an executive summary: mozilla forced ubuntu (wuth canonical probably not really protesting) to add an EULA to ffox 3 Nov 09 22:11:01 this was eventually dropped, but only after a (major, I'd say) backlash by the ubuntu community Nov 09 22:11:38 with some people being all "where's the problem", of course... :-/ but majority seemed that as an issue Nov 09 22:12:00 ^ I mean to add an eula to the FFOX that Nov 09 22:12:06 s installed in ubuntu Nov 09 22:12:29 Just reading some blogs and mailing lists about this now. Nov 09 22:12:40 Once again, Mozilla/ff have shot themselves in the head. Nov 09 22:12:54 They've become little different from IE IMO. Nov 09 22:13:36 Good thing we don't need ff code on the phone (although I'm not sure what it's based on right now . Nov 09 22:14:06 Does anybody here ever worked with connman ? (used by 2008.9 "settings" application) Nov 09 22:17:11 mwester_: are you *the* kernel guy? Nov 09 22:17:18 Not at all. Nov 09 22:17:46 I'm just a community member who happens to work on kernel (and distro) types of things. Nov 09 22:17:59 In fact, I rather thiink the Om kernel guys are REALLY upset with me. Nov 09 22:18:12 heh, why? Nov 09 22:19:38 and we love you for it Nov 09 22:19:41 I argue with them; they don't respond well to that. Nov 09 22:19:54 It's not their fault. Nov 09 22:20:11 sean pulitz's fault? Nov 09 22:20:34 who is who? Nov 09 22:20:38 As kernel guys, they focus on the kernel. The real problem is that they don't have an overall architect who keeps an eye on what the users expect. Nov 09 22:21:12 I'm a normal user. Nov 09 22:21:14 So IMO they lose focus, and work on the wrong things, or just assume things about the distros that are not reasonable. Nov 09 22:21:41 I expect the OM to work with the freerunner Nov 09 22:21:55 Fougner: and I'm a dev who bought the phone, but so far is stuck at the steep end of the learning curve :-/ Nov 09 22:22:45 mwester, if that's the case you should open some public discussion about it in order to inform the openmoko bosses ;) Nov 09 22:22:46 how hard would it be to make a simple GUI for BT, WIFI Nov 09 22:23:13 The last battle was over a change that may have resulted in breakage of user applications; we had quite a row over that; they couldn't give any logical reason to defend the change. Turns out that they wanted to make the change to accomodate Android, at the risk of the other distros, but Google had sworn them all to secrecy. So it was a very frustrating situation. Nov 09 22:23:35 mwester_: yuck Nov 09 22:23:38 quickdev: I have, I''ve exchanged emails with a number of the managers inside Om. Nov 09 22:23:51 hm Nov 09 22:23:52 They're good folks, I just think they don't have a good direction. :* Nov 09 22:23:55 er, :( Nov 09 22:24:02 (silly asterisk key) Nov 09 22:24:10 hm android Nov 09 22:24:35 well Nov 09 22:24:47 Yeah. Android. The biggest single distraction to sucess we've seen so far. Also the biggest potential solution for the hardware. Nov 09 22:24:59 android is on everyones lips Nov 09 22:25:06 hm Nov 09 22:25:10 I thought I was the only one not caring that much about android Nov 09 22:25:19 Can't deny a 600 lb gorilla in the room with you. Nov 09 22:25:22 vininim_: nah, count me in :) Nov 09 22:25:23 I don't care about it..yet Nov 09 22:25:41 someone say hardware solution? Nov 09 22:25:53 mwester, biggest potential solution for the hardware? What do you mean? Nov 09 22:26:51 After two years, there is not yet a distro that's really close to complete. If Android can get working, and solve the keyboard problem, it would be the most complete phone stack for the Om hardware of all 9 distros. Nov 09 22:26:51 android, biiig software, and a bit open source, hey? Nov 09 22:27:13 freerunner, freedom to do whatever I want with i Nov 09 22:27:15 it* Nov 09 22:27:32 So it comes down to what works -- and when you've spent $500 on a phone, at some point one gives up a bit of freedom to get somethign that can make a phone call reliably ;) Nov 09 22:27:46 :)) Nov 09 22:27:48 (All that assumes that the kernel/hardware issues are resolved, of course) Nov 09 22:28:49 mwester, you're right.. even if they develop a phone good enough to use with open source software, they don't have the power to compete with android ^^ Nov 09 22:28:55 * mwester_ wonders how he could have missed this whole FF/EULA controversy for so long... Nov 09 22:30:10 Fougner: and I don't think they should -- Android could be the way to get the phone into retail stores, and get the price point down. But I'd sure like to see the FSO framework and at least one open phone stack be available as an alternative to Android. Nov 09 22:30:18 i was reading the kulu android forums about openmoko Nov 09 22:30:21 ideally, I'd love to see FSO on the G1. Nov 09 22:30:35 But that's a long-off future, I suspect. Nov 09 22:31:34 koolu* Nov 09 22:32:24 mwester, SO AM I! :D Nov 09 22:32:55 buy freedom, sell Linux Nov 09 22:33:52 heh Nov 09 22:35:14 hey look what i found http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ Nov 09 22:35:31 android images Nov 09 22:35:34 Fougner, how hard would it be to make a simple GUI for BT, WIFI Nov 09 22:35:37 i already done that. Nov 09 22:35:56 i think i even gave you a link. Nov 09 22:35:56 ;] Nov 09 22:36:05 kd8ikt, android is nice Nov 09 22:36:19 it fells like a great nokia Nov 09 22:36:22 feels* Nov 09 22:36:24 TAsn: hmm... what's its name? and is it in debian? Nov 09 22:36:39 though it doesn't feel like a linux box? Nov 09 22:36:47 Wonka, the bt and wifi power app? Nov 09 22:36:52 ack Nov 09 22:36:58 eh, _power_ app? Nov 09 22:37:03 (actually has gprs and usbhost mode Nov 09 22:37:06 as well Nov 09 22:37:09 i got openmoko-panel-plugin for that Nov 09 22:37:12 Wonka, turn on turn off. Nov 09 22:37:18 Wonka, i c, well i don't (shr) Nov 09 22:37:22 so i had to build it ;] Nov 09 22:37:32 Wonka, what did you think i was talking about? Nov 09 22:37:35 TAsn, if you gave me a link, then the app wasn't as easy to install ;D Nov 09 22:37:41 i more thought about something like network manager for wifi and something alike for bt Nov 09 22:37:43 opkg install * Nov 09 22:37:47 isn't that hard ;] Nov 09 22:37:55 Wonka, for wifi you got plenty Nov 09 22:38:07 for bt, i guess you can find some as well. Nov 09 22:38:15 Fougner, sec, will relink you Nov 09 22:38:16 i seem not to have looked very hard then... Nov 09 22:38:50 opkg install http://stosb.com/openmoko/fso-settings_0.3_armv4t.ipk Nov 09 22:38:55 and if you want the source Nov 09 22:39:03 it's in /usr/bin/fso-settings Nov 09 22:39:07 or something like that ;] Nov 09 22:39:10 it's a python script Nov 09 22:39:14 TAsn, does it work with SHR? :D Nov 09 22:39:20 I use shr Nov 09 22:39:23 and it works for me Nov 09 22:39:26 ;] Nov 09 22:39:30 GOOD LORD! I'm STUPID! Nov 09 22:39:36 supposed to work with fso, shr and debian Nov 09 22:39:53 works in the courtesy of the framework. ;] Nov 09 22:40:11 though that leads me to the question i had for mickeyl. Nov 09 22:40:19 *with the courtesy Nov 09 22:40:39 mickeyl, what's the correct way to turn on/off gsm/bt/wifi? Nov 09 22:41:12 i currently use resource.enable/disable for bt/wifi and for gsm i use gsm.power (or something like that) Nov 09 22:41:23 use RequestResource for everything Nov 09 22:41:50 mickeyl, request resource and request resource release or something like that? Nov 09 22:41:52 hwo can I turnoff the phone in SHR? :o Nov 09 22:41:56 TAsn: yes Nov 09 22:42:03 RequestResource Nov 09 22:42:05 ReleaseResource Nov 09 22:42:12 mickeyl, that's an interesting idea ;] Nov 09 22:42:18 hehe, thanks. Nov 09 22:42:30 and what's the best way to force turnoff? Nov 09 22:42:45 like flight mode, or something similar Nov 09 22:43:13 SetResourcePoliy Nov 09 22:43:16 or SetPolicy Nov 09 22:43:19 can't remember offhand Nov 09 22:43:21 see docs Nov 09 22:43:25 mickeyl, cool, you did a good job. ;] Nov 09 22:43:30 mickeyl, docs are incomplete Nov 09 22:43:41 that's why im asking, though if it's there, i will read about it. ;] Nov 09 22:44:31 hmm Nov 09 22:44:33 incomplete? Nov 09 22:44:34 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Usage.html;hb=HEAD#SetResourcePolicy Nov 09 22:44:56 i think the docs are pretty much covering all of the API Nov 09 22:45:55 mickeyl, i went through them last night and i thought i miss stuff. well, i guess i was just too tired. Nov 09 22:46:55 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r910016b86656 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Implemented org.freesmartphone.odeviced.IdleNotifier.GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(s,i). Nov 09 22:47:16 if you're missing things, ping us Nov 09 22:47:25 we're putting great attention to docs.freesmartphone.org Nov 09 22:47:29 sure thing. Nov 09 22:47:40 SIOCADDRT: "network is doen" Nov 09 22:47:41 down* Nov 09 22:47:41 thanks Nov 09 22:47:54 mickeyl, i love you work, so it's actually my pleasure ;] Nov 09 22:48:23 :) Nov 09 22:48:25 Fougner, i have to rewrite that a bit to work with the now recommended policy changes. Nov 09 22:48:29 your* Nov 09 22:49:07 mickeyl, btw, do you know anything about how the pypimd is going? Nov 09 22:49:28 my network doesn't work =( Nov 09 22:49:48 Fougner, what did you do? Nov 09 22:49:55 I just try to connect via USB Nov 09 22:50:15 what did you do? Nov 09 22:50:31 and what are you trying to do? (connect who to who from who:) ) Nov 09 22:50:37 me? Nov 09 22:50:47 TAsn: there hasn't been any more work, the student has been very busy. I'm trying to hire him to complete his work Nov 09 22:51:04 Fougner, aye. Nov 09 22:51:12 SILENCE! Nov 09 22:51:14 mickeyl, i c. Nov 09 22:51:18 I kill you! =D Nov 09 22:51:37 TAsn, I'm trying to connect my FR to the computer Nov 09 22:51:48 but this time it doesn't work =/ Nov 09 22:52:01 mickeyl, well i built a phonelog daemon for the meanwhile and i can't use the pimd bus name if i don't commit it to the pypimd so i use a different busname for the meanwhile ;] Nov 09 22:52:24 Fougner, hehe don't worry, a reboot does the trick easily. Nov 09 22:52:24 hehe Nov 09 22:52:30 just pop open the gui Nov 09 22:52:36 and tell me what you see clicked Nov 09 22:52:51 and maybe a reboot won't be necessary Nov 09 22:52:58 you may have just turned usb host on ;] Nov 09 22:53:33 what? :o Nov 09 22:53:43 I just did a reboot =( Nov 09 22:53:49 good enough. Nov 09 22:53:53 solves the issue as well. Nov 09 22:54:04 though probably wasn't a necessity. Nov 09 22:54:27 LOL @ http://xkcd.com/149/ Nov 09 22:55:41 Fougner, man you are late. Nov 09 22:55:47 that's like 3 years old ;] Nov 09 22:56:28 :o Nov 09 22:56:41 I AM 3 three years old! Nov 09 22:56:42 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07specs * rb3f47281478a 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Follow changes & update the specs. Insertion of GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(si) Nov 09 22:56:43 =D Nov 09 22:56:45 Fougner: I c you discovered xkcd :) Nov 09 22:56:59 mickeyl, thanks a lot again. btw, i think using sql as a query language is a far better idea then using that custom made one. good night Nov 09 22:57:02 good night everyone. Nov 09 22:57:24 night Nov 09 22:57:26 phew, i just finished the most terrible home work assignment ever. Nov 09 22:57:30 my head aches. Nov 09 22:57:32 night again. Nov 09 22:57:33 ;] Nov 09 22:57:53 TAsn, what? :D Nov 09 22:58:10 TAsn: g'night Nov 09 23:02:32 dont forget bash.org Nov 09 23:04:41 what? :D Nov 09 23:09:06 it's impossible to forget bash.org .... it's a constant time-waster for me ;p Nov 09 23:09:07 http://bash.org/?835413 Nov 09 23:10:23 so i flashed that mcneil image Nov 09 23:11:56 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * r142093eed041 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Forgot I was using python. else if -> elif Nov 09 23:13:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r74a7a01531db 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: Nov 09 23:13:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] do not assert when the callHandler gets instanciated twice Nov 09 23:13:42 freesmartphone.org: (need to remove that as singleton anyways, now that we can shutdown and restart) Nov 09 23:13:42 freesmartphone.org: This closes FSO ticket #185 Nov 09 23:13:43 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4c9c3371ab89 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Implemented org.freesmartphone.odeviced.IdleNotifier.GetTimeouts() => a{si} and SetTimeout(s,i). Nov 09 23:13:47 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4f39364bcbfe 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: Forgot I was using python. else if -> elif Nov 09 23:14:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9840a30e2362 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4' Nov 09 23:16:05 but its just a blank screen Nov 09 23:23:50 http://xkcd.com/208/ Nov 09 23:23:51 LOL Nov 09 23:24:28 sicu, LOL!!!!!! Nov 09 23:25:07 i liked the virtual machine network one with the virii propagations Nov 09 23:25:30 kd8ikt, what? Nov 09 23:25:34 Fougner: hehe =] Nov 09 23:25:52 http://xkcd.com/350/ Nov 09 23:27:06 kd8ikt: hrrr ... i like =] Nov 09 23:27:24 or this recent one http://xkcd.com/485/ Nov 09 23:27:25 lol :) Nov 09 23:27:35 kd8ikt, HAHAHHAHA Nov 09 23:27:46 least i think it was recent Nov 09 23:29:11 kd8ikt, who's Brian Greene? Nov 09 23:29:11 http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/funny-pictures-your-cat-has-not-seen-a-black-cat-anywhere.jpg Nov 09 23:29:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Greene Nov 09 23:30:22 Fougner: a big name behind the string theory... that's why he's knitting :) Nov 09 23:31:42 fork() Nov 09 23:31:44 ;) Nov 09 23:32:45 I still don't get it =( Nov 09 23:32:55 what fork? Nov 09 23:33:24 heh Nov 09 23:33:41 oor the lil guy hangin out in the electron cloud "sup" Nov 09 23:33:51 thats funny stuff Nov 09 23:35:21 lol Nov 09 23:35:30 http://xkcd.com/215/ Nov 09 23:39:22 int getRandomNumber() Nov 09 23:39:22 { Nov 09 23:39:22 return 4; //chosen by fair dice roll, guaranteed to be random. Nov 09 23:39:22 } Nov 09 23:46:47 oldies Nov 09 23:49:38 xkcd 135 Nov 09 23:54:20 LOL @ 135 Nov 09 23:54:29 and 249 xD Nov 09 23:54:58 ah nice android finally booted Nov 09 23:55:15 cool beans i see an android logo Nov 09 23:55:26 kd8ikt, TRAITOR! Nov 09 23:55:39 hey i have to try it Nov 09 23:56:00 wow me like Nov 09 23:57:27 :o Nov 09 23:57:29 is it good? Nov 09 23:59:46 lol it even beeps dtmf when i dial Nov 10 00:01:26 its fast and nice. but do we really want google to know _everything_ about us. our mail, chat, google searches, websites visited, telephone number=full name and address, gps location and so on.... ? :O Nov 10 00:01:38 dont they already? Nov 10 00:01:59 not if you do not use google stuff Nov 10 00:13:16 mokolade, how is that possible? :O Nov 10 00:14:21 because google is evil :) Nov 10 00:14:51 I can't live without google services ! Nov 10 00:15:14 who can anyways Nov 10 00:15:17 good night all Nov 10 00:16:06 hmm Nov 10 00:16:30 reptiles and smaller mamals poses this capability Nov 10 00:17:14 the ability to irc? Nov 10 00:17:36 to stay alive even without google services Nov 10 00:20:22 not possible Nov 10 00:23:52 balrog-k1n, lol Nov 10 00:26:28 what is the command for restarting dropbear? Nov 10 00:26:50 yo Nov 10 00:27:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6WPlljb3Y&NR=1 Nov 10 00:27:37 "all your base belong to us" Nov 10 00:27:39 something.. Nov 10 00:27:43 I don't understand Nov 10 00:30:10 rtfm? :P Nov 10 00:32:35 anyone aware of a listing of the hardware issues the frerunner had/still has? Nov 10 00:33:07 ronny sure you want that? Nov 10 00:34:07 xcasex_: yeah, i's going to be part of a presentation im holding Nov 10 00:34:13 :S Nov 10 00:34:20 oh dear Nov 10 00:34:36 * mwester_ goes to work with an eraser Nov 10 00:35:32 mwester, what? :D Nov 10 00:35:34 just listing some boring spec isnt as intresting as telling how stuff evolved, why, what did go wrong and why it did go wrong Nov 10 00:36:08 haha, why doesn't debian developers have girlfriends? :D Nov 10 00:36:35 *don't.. right? Nov 10 00:37:04 Yeah, but if you're going to present that, you really should run that past the Om guys -- the community only knows some of the facts. And I've certainly been accused of not presenting them correctly, so I'll excuse myself from this. :D Nov 10 00:38:11 whats the best way to reach them? Nov 10 00:38:40 pray to god! Nov 10 00:39:18 "dear God, I want to file a bug report..." Nov 10 00:39:25 thats an impressive openness Nov 10 00:39:27 ronny: You'll find some of them here, but since most of them are in Europe, they're asleep at the moment. Nov 10 00:40:04 ok, i suck - im from europe, too, but my sleep-shedule is a real mess Nov 10 00:40:39 * Mononoke agrees and adds "me too" Nov 10 00:41:00 DocScrutinizer would certainly have some views on that stuff, as would mickey|zzZZzz. But you'll have to investigate some stuff and present your presentation to them; they'll probably not have time to help you assemble or research it. Nov 10 00:41:16 I'd start with the mailing list archives -- that would give you a good idea. Nov 10 00:41:26 hmm Nov 10 00:41:33 I'm from Europe too Nov 10 00:41:37 guess i'll have some pain to dig that together Nov 10 00:41:52 don't use a shovel Nov 10 00:42:12 :D No, nothing is buried very deeply, no need for a shovel. Nov 10 00:42:35 humph.. Nov 10 00:42:56 Just that there is some disagreement over what is a "hardware problem" and what is firmware, vs software, and I have argued too much about that with DocScrutinizer, I think. :) Nov 10 00:43:53 mwester, you seem to be a very argueable person ;D Nov 10 00:46:56 Fougner: I am. Nov 10 00:47:22 hehe Nov 10 00:47:28 28-hour day xD Nov 10 00:47:30 Although my resume says that I posess "strong principles" Nov 10 00:47:35 :p Nov 10 00:47:51 Fougner: not on this planet. But it would be helpful... Nov 10 00:48:30 haha, strong principles Nov 10 00:51:00 LOL !!!!! Ballmer Peak!!!! Nov 10 00:51:16 oh shit, it's 01.51 AM.. Nov 10 00:51:26 spent my last hours at xkcd.com Nov 10 00:52:33 save some for tomorrow Nov 10 00:53:03 so i installed the base testing image Nov 10 00:53:14 what should i do for phone stuff though? Nov 10 00:53:19 Exploits of a Mom LOOOOL!!!!!! Nov 10 00:56:03 kd8ikt: not sure I know what you are asking. Which base image? Nov 10 00:56:21 (btw, what part of 8-land?) Nov 10 00:59:14 cinci Nov 10 00:59:41 cool. Nov 10 00:59:52 gsm stuff its the daily testing asu images Nov 10 00:59:59 the bare bone one Nov 10 01:00:29 ASU, ah. Don't know about that one :( I expect there's a matching feed, and you have to install something like qtopia-x11-dailer Nov 10 01:06:23 LOL http://xkcd.com/356/ Nov 10 01:07:36 oh, I really need some sleep.. Nov 10 01:07:41 it's 2 AM Nov 10 01:07:51 xkcd.com... my new love ^^ Nov 10 01:08:03 goodnight to all of you ! :P Nov 10 01:09:07 yihha! I'm booting Android, Debian, FDOM and FSO with a single microSD card (android in flash memory) <:P Nov 10 01:09:29 And SHR? :-) Nov 10 01:09:39 thats next ;) Nov 10 01:10:24 it was much more easy to make a lot of partition for different distros than swapping SD cards :) Nov 10 01:11:08 but are using the same kernel on all but android Nov 10 01:12:31 i need a huge microsd card Nov 10 01:13:45 kd8ikt: they are easily available. Nov 10 01:13:50 kd8ikt: they are called SD cards. Nov 10 01:14:39 heh asshole Nov 10 01:14:52 Are 16s out? Nov 10 01:16:10 kd8ikt, pwned ^^ Nov 10 02:53:30 Andoid got cool ringtones... :D Nov 10 02:56:59 I'm still thinking aon how to calculate that resistance. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 10 02:59:57 2008