**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 25 02:59:57 2008
Nov 25 03:04:29 <white_gecko> is there something like "apt-file search" for opkg?
Nov 25 03:04:59 <white_gecko> or maybe a online search tool to find packages containing a file?
Nov 25 03:05:07 <white_gecko> i need "gnome-vfs.h" in an opkg
Nov 25 03:09:48 <rooly> white_gecko: opkg list | grep "bla"
Nov 25 03:10:03 <rooly> oh, nvm
Nov 25 03:10:09 <white_gecko> no
Nov 25 03:10:17 <white_gecko> this is only for packagenames
Nov 25 03:10:36 <white_gecko> i need the files in the packages
Nov 25 03:11:01 <white_gecko> in not installed packages!
Nov 25 03:11:21 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 03:18:42 <kd8ikt> woonders why you would need a header file
Nov 25 03:19:03 <white_gecko> i need it to compile a programm
Nov 25 03:19:09 <white_gecko> in the toolchain
Nov 25 03:19:15 <kd8ikt> on the phone?
Nov 25 03:19:21 <white_gecko> on my pc
Nov 25 03:19:33 <kd8ikt> oh 
Nov 25 03:19:40 <kd8ikt> well i still wouldnt know
Nov 25 03:20:06 <white_gecko> i have the original sources of the programm
Nov 25 03:20:23 <white_gecko> but i don't know where to put it in the toolchain
Nov 25 03:20:29 <white_gecko> so i thougt a opkg would be the best
Nov 25 03:31:30 <cyphunk> question, anyone know if the data input output port is exposed to the SDK?
Nov 25 03:35:02 <raster> ?
Nov 25 03:35:12 <raster> data input output port?
Nov 25 03:35:22 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 03:35:25 <Dave> sounds cool
Nov 25 03:37:17 <cyphunk> Dave: wait, is this the room for the openmoko cell phone?
Nov 25 03:37:27 <cyphunk> err, or raster
Nov 25 03:37:42 <raster> yes
Nov 25 03:38:09 <cyphunk> hmm, guess i shouldnt make an assumption
Nov 25 03:39:03 <cyphunk> wait, says it has a "Input and Output" port
Nov 25 03:39:31 <raster> what do you mean "oinput and output port"
Nov 25 03:39:34 <raster> do you even have one?
Nov 25 03:39:43 <raster> have you even set up openembedded?
Nov 25 03:39:50 <raster> in fact.. have you ever used linux
Nov 25 03:39:53 <raster> or developed for it?
Nov 25 03:39:55 <raster> :)
Nov 25 03:40:58 <Dave> rastermoko?
Nov 25 03:41:18 <raster> yo momma moko
Nov 25 03:41:50 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 03:42:10 <cyphunk> raster: i dont have one.  im asking about data io in relation to a project wher eI would like to plug up an external device to control.  yes, ive developed on open embedded (dreambox crap)
Nov 25 03:43:33 <raster> then what would you consider the "input output port" to be?
Nov 25 03:43:43 <raster> SPI lines you solder onto
Nov 25 03:43:49 <raster> the jtag debug cable plug
Nov 25 03:44:02 <raster> the usb connector ()that works both as host and gadget)
Nov 25 03:44:16 <raster> err
Nov 25 03:44:17 <raster> sorry
Nov 25 03:44:18 <raster> not SPI
Nov 25 03:44:20 <raster> i meant i2c
Nov 25 03:44:22 <raster> :)
Nov 25 03:44:44 <Dave> silly raster!
Nov 25 03:45:04 <cyphunk> raster: is libusb on the device?  no if there are i2c interfaces/libs?
Nov 25 03:45:45 <raster> its an open device
Nov 25 03:45:51 <raster> you can put anything on it you like
Nov 25 03:46:04 <raster> multiple distributions run on it and are available
Nov 25 03:46:20 <raster> from debian through to several openembedded based distros
Nov 25 03:46:25 <raster> so it will vary
Nov 25 03:46:28 <cyphunk> cool
Nov 25 03:46:29 <cyphunk> thanks
Nov 25 03:46:30 <raster> you can always compile it and use it
Nov 25 03:46:36 <cyphunk> yeup
Nov 25 03:46:51 <raster> dont think like its a closed device you have to squeeze into its dictated development model
Nov 25 03:46:59 <raster> and restrictions
Nov 25 03:47:50 <cyphunk> yeah, first mistake was assuming there would be an "sdk".  i didnt realize that openembedded ran on it
Nov 25 03:49:08 <raster> aaah!
Nov 25 03:49:27 <raster> thus why i was wondering how much you knew when the questions you asked didnt make much sense
Nov 25 03:49:27 <raster> :)
Nov 25 03:50:08 <cyphunk> raster: well info on the hardware that is exposed helps too.  thanks
Nov 25 03:51:14 <raster> all of it is public and documented
Nov 25 03:51:23 <raster> EXCEPT wifi internals
Nov 25 03:51:32 <raster> u'll have to read the  wifi driver and guess from its generated code
Nov 25 03:51:40 <raster> and gfx chip (glamo) same there
Nov 25 03:51:44 <raster> docs are not open
Nov 25 03:52:04 <raster> but code that does accelerate stuff is open - u'd have to read the code to find out
Nov 25 03:53:42 <cyphunk> raster: anyone attempted to add external displays?  or lcd that uses a framebuff of the device?
Nov 25 03:59:05 <raster> you wont have much luck there
Nov 25 03:59:12 <raster> lcd is plugged into the gfx chip
Nov 25 03:59:22 <raster> no e4xternal display plug/connector
Nov 25 03:59:40 <raster> the device has the framebuffer on-board
Nov 25 04:01:16 <cyphunk> so, im not sure how, but im curious if it would be possible to use one of the other busses to "glue" logic to support either a cheap lcd in software (Speed isnt important) or by adding additional hardware to control another lcd which gets data over i2c, serial, something like that
Nov 25 04:01:18 <cyphunk> sound stupid?
Nov 25 04:01:42 <raster> yes :)
Nov 25 04:01:54 <cyphunk> aight
Nov 25 04:02:14 <raster> you have an lcd already there
Nov 25 04:02:20 <raster> adding more will be painful
Nov 25 04:02:31 <raster> also refreshes are bandwidth-heavy
Nov 25 04:02:56 <raster> and u'll need hardware that scans the "framebuffer" and refreshes most likely
Nov 25 04:02:58 <cyphunk> yeah, refresh rate can be once an hour, not an issue for what i want to do
Nov 25 04:03:15 <raster> oh so its some primitive low-res text lcd
Nov 25 04:03:16 <raster> or something
Nov 25 04:03:35 <cyphunk> yeah, or oled
Nov 25 04:03:38 <cyphunk> something small though
Nov 25 04:03:54 <raster> u might be able to use the i2c lines
Nov 25 04:04:07 <raster> somewhere on the board u should be able to find them and solder something on
Nov 25 04:04:35 <cyphunk> now i just have to wrap my brain around it all, get it and try it :]
Nov 25 04:05:58 <raster> others have hooked up boats and other rc toys to it and control servos/motors from it
Nov 25 04:06:03 <raster> so its possible
Nov 25 04:06:42 <cyphunk> aah, hacker friendly devices :)
Nov 25 04:06:57 <cyphunk> joy joy 
Nov 25 04:07:25 <raster> yes
Nov 25 04:07:27 <raster> again
Nov 25 04:07:31 <raster> thats why i was confused by your q's
Nov 25 04:07:45 <raster> as they only woudl make sense if u were tyring to hack some "closed" device
Nov 25 04:08:29 <cyphunk> yeah this is the first time im taking a decent look at openmoko.  and, its encouraging 
Nov 25 04:08:51 <Dave> hah! :)
Nov 25 04:09:21 <slaxxin> maybe if u talk glamo into helping 
Nov 25 04:11:12 <cyphunk> have roh's card somewhere around here.  might badger him with questions if i get serious :]
Nov 25 04:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> duh, silent world
Nov 25 04:49:56 * rooly sighs
Nov 25 04:50:03 <rooly> simply can't live without mah bluetooth
Nov 25 04:50:11 <rooly> and resume on phone calls
Nov 25 04:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> :-) life out there
Nov 25 04:50:24 <kd8ikt> 3way calling would be nice
Nov 25 04:50:24 <rooly> gawd i wish they woulda stayed with 2007.11
Nov 25 04:50:48 <slaxxin> yes
Nov 25 04:51:06 <rooly> so...i'm flashing back to qte 4.4.1
Nov 25 04:51:11 <rooly> ccan't live without mah bluetooth
Nov 25 04:51:19 <slaxxin> all the features plus some more good ones
Nov 25 04:51:46 <kd8ikt> what do you use bluetooth for? headset?
Nov 25 04:51:46 <slaxxin> bluetooth worked in 4.4.2 for me
Nov 25 04:52:18 <slaxxin> just files though
Nov 25 04:52:32 <kd8ikt> obex
Nov 25 04:52:50 <kd8ikt> i think ip over bluetooth is much more interestinbg
Nov 25 04:52:56 <rooly> kd8ikt: nah, mostly media stuffs
Nov 25 04:53:14 <rooly> slaxxin: really? i have zero access to BT
Nov 25 04:53:17 <slaxxin> regression in progress
Nov 25 04:53:43 <kd8ikt> or gps bluetooth profile for another device/phone to use the freerunner's bt
Nov 25 04:53:50 <slaxxin> it worked while in range of ab htc touch
Nov 25 04:54:09 <slaxxin>     had mwesters kernel
Nov 25 04:54:44 * mwester is running tcp/ip over bluetooth, bridged to his home network .
Nov 25 04:54:49 * rooly doesn't have a headset capable of working with my phone for some reason
Nov 25 04:54:57 <rooly> has anyone compiled a list of working headsets?
Nov 25 04:55:18 <kd8ikt> i'd think any/all headsets would work
Nov 25 04:55:19 <slaxxin> mwesters the man
Nov 25 04:55:28 <kd8ikt> if you set it up right
Nov 25 04:55:32 <rooly> me too...but my 520plantronics doesn't
Nov 25 04:57:27 <slaxxin> rooly  u got bt turned on lolol
Nov 25 04:57:38 <kd8ikt> isnt that called plbkac
Nov 25 04:57:38 <rooly> yes, i do
Nov 25 04:57:39 <rooly> goose
Nov 25 04:58:12 <rooly> it syncs up just fine
Nov 25 04:58:19 <rooly> but no sound forwards
Nov 25 04:58:21 <rooly> no idea why
Nov 25 04:58:22 <slaxxin> i need a new image
Nov 25 05:11:58 <Torikun> How is the latest 200810
Nov 25 05:13:27 <slaxxin> shrn
Nov 25 05:13:52 <slaxxin> not sure anything is going on there
Nov 25 05:14:04 <slaxxin> maybe testing
Nov 25 05:14:21 <Torikun> so still Qtopia is the best?
Nov 25 05:14:22 <slaxxin> i think i saw a fastboot somewhere
Nov 25 05:14:36 <slaxxin> yea
Nov 25 05:14:56 <rooly> well
Nov 25 05:15:08 <slaxxin> which u think rooly
Nov 25 05:15:19 <rooly> qtopia is still the best because somebody way up top decided that 2007.x wasn't worth wasting time on
Nov 25 05:15:43 <Torikun> 200810 was supposed to be awesome I heard
Nov 25 05:15:45 * rooly mourns his lost distro
Nov 25 05:16:02 <rooly> 2008.10 is just 2 months more of asu
Nov 25 05:16:20 <slaxxin> 2008.11
Nov 25 05:16:27 <slaxxin> we wait
Nov 25 05:16:46 <Torikun> what will be goog about 2008.11
Nov 25 05:17:14 <rooly> erm...maybe they will finally have wifi working
Nov 25 05:17:21 <Torikun> and a decent kb?
Nov 25 05:17:21 <Torikun> lol
Nov 25 05:17:46 <slaxxin> yea like the one on the htc touch
Nov 25 05:17:55 <Torikun> http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?p=246  <-- I want to convert my app to the Openmok
Nov 25 05:18:31 <slaxxin> yay
Nov 25 05:18:49 <Dave> TORIKUN
Nov 25 05:18:54 <Torikun> Dave!
Nov 25 05:19:25 <slaxxin> LAST.fm
Nov 25 05:19:26 <Torikun> Dave: Port this http://rusher.webhop.org/wordpress/?p=246
Nov 25 05:19:27 <Torikun> lol
Nov 25 05:19:48 <rooly> Torikun: port it to c or cpp first
Nov 25 05:19:54 <rooly> then i'll talk
Nov 25 05:20:05 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 05:20:06 <Torikun> is there a java to c convertor?
Nov 25 05:20:10 <rooly> phhtttt
Nov 25 05:20:14 <rooly> ...maybe...
Nov 25 05:21:22 <rooly> but
Nov 25 05:21:38 <rooly> you should just make your app depend on the java runtimes already available
Nov 25 05:21:46 <rooly> make sure they work on that and you should be fine
Nov 25 05:22:07 <Torikun> I would test it but i am on QT
Nov 25 05:22:38 <Torikun> If I had Android,,,,
Nov 25 05:22:53 <rooly> then you'd have shit for battery life and no keyboard
Nov 25 05:22:58 <rooly> and a basically broken phone
Nov 25 05:29:48 <kd8ikt> dont even think you can answer incoming calls on the android least the build i played with that mcniel built
Nov 25 05:30:50 <Dave> Take that, McNeil!
Nov 25 05:43:50 <slaxxin> anybody tried the om testing?
Nov 25 05:44:51 <slaxxin> i mean daily
Nov 25 05:49:11 <rooly> god i hate the ##c++ people
Nov 25 05:49:14 <rooly> no help at all
Nov 25 05:51:33 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick * r4822 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_download.c: 
Nov 25 05:51:33 <CIA-51> openmoko: opkg: only cache the packages
Nov 25 05:51:33 <CIA-51> openmoko:  thanks Werner.
Nov 25 05:54:44 <Dave> Sargun.
Nov 25 05:54:50 <Sargun> DAVE!
Nov 25 05:59:59 <Dave> \o/
Nov 25 06:16:54 <rooly> night
Nov 25 06:47:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r2abcb8d24aff 10/fsod/ (src/subsystems/Device/input/input-helpers.c vapi/fsod.vapi): 
Nov 25 06:47:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: frameworkd.odeviced.input catch up: Change g_object_add_seconds to g_object_add for accuracy
Nov 25 06:47:40 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: sync vapi
Nov 25 08:15:32 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 25 08:22:36 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick * r4823 10/developers/tick/scripts/sshn: A lazier script that help user to ssh in Neo
Nov 25 09:54:27 <methril> morning
Nov 25 09:56:03 <mani|work> hi^^
Nov 25 10:49:58 <zerghase> Hi
Nov 25 10:52:20 <zerghase> Anybody knows what happened to the android image from seanmcneil? There hasn't been an update for two weeks...
Nov 25 10:58:09 <ajuonline> boom
Nov 25 11:03:14 <ajuonline> how do I get the FR to use as a GSM modem?
Nov 25 11:03:20 <ajuonline> someone said its called tethering
Nov 25 11:03:21 <ajuonline> ?
Nov 25 11:04:02 <lindi-> ajuonline: ?
Nov 25 11:07:01 <ajuonline> lindi-: access the phone via the command line?
Nov 25 11:07:05 <ajuonline> i mean as a gsm modem
Nov 25 11:07:25 <ajuonline> so that i can use something like minicom to fire up AT commands?
Nov 25 11:09:54 <kd8ikt> GPRS?
Nov 25 11:10:54 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS
Nov 25 11:13:32 <kd8ikt> then you can go about sharing that connection via http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Tethering firewall setting etc
Nov 25 11:18:03 <kd8ikt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO
Nov 25 11:18:20 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r54810d892c71 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: add override ${PN} to RPROVIDES
Nov 25 11:21:13 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r2fd370d1f5a0 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: mokoko: Bump up mokoko to 127
Nov 25 11:21:20 <CIA-51> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r361522fe7ecc 10/packages/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb: Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of git+ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev
Nov 25 11:27:25 <lindi-> ajuonline: socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts,crnl,b115200
Nov 25 11:28:55 <kd8ikt> hey... lets make a wardialer
Nov 25 11:29:03 <kd8ikt> or port iwar
Nov 25 11:29:08 <kd8ikt> heh
Nov 25 11:29:17 <kd8ikt> more for the novelty aspect of it
Nov 25 11:31:34 <kd8ikt> then again every wardialer i've played with only could tell if it was a modem or not, be neat to play a prerecorded file as a fallback  (are you prepared for jehovahs return?) and record any feedback ;) might prove humorus 
Nov 25 12:08:33 <kd8ikt> linmodem
Nov 25 12:16:01 <kd8ikt> AuDSL 
Nov 25 12:17:00 <kd8ikt> uknow what i mean?
Nov 25 12:19:03 <Wonka> no
Nov 25 12:19:12 <kd8ikt> software DSP modem like soundmodem
Nov 25 12:19:58 <Wonka> you do know that ADSL2+ uses frequencies up to several MHz?
Nov 25 12:20:18 <Wonka> the calculations are no easy job for general-purpose processors
Nov 25 12:20:30 <Wonka> you _need_ DSPs for that
Nov 25 12:21:28 <Wonka> in "analog" softmodems, you can just match against every symbol that could possibly occur and take the most probable
Nov 25 12:22:00 <Wonka> with DSL, you first need to find hardware that samples fast enough
Nov 25 12:23:01 <kd8ikt> non dsl/isdn 
Nov 25 12:24:12 <kd8ikt> whatabout say a 14.4kbps old school modem
Nov 25 12:24:57 <Wonka> with "analog softmodem", i meant up to 56k
Nov 25 12:25:16 <kd8ikt> possible?
Nov 25 12:25:37 <Wonka> it is done. there are drivers doing that. have been for years.
Nov 25 12:25:41 <Wonka> closed-source though
Nov 25 12:25:58 <kd8ikt> isnt that what linmodem does?
Nov 25 12:26:03 <Wonka> exactly.
Nov 25 12:26:12 <Wonka> but linmodem does not reach 56k, nor?
Nov 25 12:26:29 <kd8ikt> it doesnt have to be lightning fast
Nov 25 12:26:48 <kd8ikt> doesnt even have to work
Nov 25 12:27:20 <kd8ikt> hell just a basic "does it sound like a modem handshake?" ok thats good enough
Nov 25 12:27:41 <kd8ikt> could probably acomplish that without all that bull
Nov 25 12:27:50 <Wonka> that should be quite easy
Nov 25 12:28:00 <Wonka> maybe not on the FR...
Nov 25 12:28:08 <kd8ikt> but still would be neat to have 2 of our phones tcp/ip via a software modem
Nov 25 12:28:16 <KenSentMe> Does anyone know if there's a rootfs image available for running Android on the freerunner?
Nov 25 12:28:41 <kd8ikt> i have a copy around here somewhere if you really want it that bad
Nov 25 12:28:44 <Wonka> kd8ikt: what for, if you can easily establish data calls?
Nov 25 12:28:54 <kd8ikt> nostalgia
Nov 25 12:29:24 <kd8ikt> i think i was born a decade too late
Nov 25 12:29:53 <KenSentMe> kd8ikt, i guess you were not talking about the android image?
Nov 25 12:30:12 <kd8ikt> yes i have an old android image
Nov 25 12:30:25 <KenSentMe> kd8ikt, cool, could i download it somewhere?
Nov 25 12:30:31 <zerghase> I also have the old one
Nov 25 12:30:43 <kd8ikt> just checkout the youtube video's 
Nov 25 12:30:55 <kd8ikt> you dont want to install it
Nov 25 12:31:02 <kd8ikt> not yet atleast
Nov 25 12:31:10 <KenSentMe> I already did once, i know the state
Nov 25 12:31:10 <zerghase> I like it
Nov 25 12:31:22 <kd8ikt> dont you have a backup?
Nov 25 12:31:49 <KenSentMe> No, forgot to save the image
Nov 25 12:32:23 <kd8ikt> so you dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/android.jffs ? is that even possible?
Nov 25 12:32:50 <kd8ikt> what'dya do delete it as soon as you flash it?
Nov 25 12:33:05 <kd8ikt> pardon me but that's just a bit retarded
Nov 25 12:33:15 <KenSentMe> kd8ikt, i dont know what i did, all i know is i dont have it anymore
Nov 25 12:33:33 <KenSentMe> I got qt-extended, om.2008.8 and 2008.9, but not android
Nov 25 12:34:11 <zerghase> http://141.84.121.143/androidfs.jffs2
Nov 25 12:34:16 <kd8ikt> find / |grep android
Nov 25 12:34:35 <kd8ikt> also here http://we.trekbeyond.org/~kd8ikt/moko/
Nov 25 12:34:42 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: hey there
Nov 25 12:34:49 <kd8ikt> morning
Nov 25 12:34:55 <KenSentMe> zerghase, link doesnt work
Nov 25 12:34:55 <kd8ikt> nice topic there
Nov 25 12:34:58 <KenSentMe> kd8ikt, thanks
Nov 25 12:35:23 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: OpenEmbedded drove me mad, had too much problems with latest images. I restarted from scratch and I'll be delivering SHR images tonight hopefully (don't know if you followed)
Nov 25 12:36:03 <kd8ikt> ugh ok sounds good i'm actually still using that old image a few days ago when we rapped
Nov 25 12:36:18 <kd8ikt> everything seems to be working just fine
Nov 25 12:36:24 <Ainulindale> Cool :-)
Nov 25 12:36:48 <kd8ikt> i mean the  ----^  topic
Nov 25 12:36:58 <kd8ikt> or is that in #openmoko-cdevel
Nov 25 12:37:04 <Ainulindale> Yes it is
Nov 25 12:37:10 <kd8ikt> :D
Nov 25 12:37:17 <kd8ikt> 8===D
Nov 25 12:37:45 <kd8ikt> hey KenSentMe how slows the download going?
Nov 25 12:38:04 <KenSentMe> 35 KB/sec
Nov 25 12:38:12 <kd8ikt> beware we.trekbeyond.org is hosted off my dsl modem 
Nov 25 12:38:29 <zerghase> http://www.die-informatiker.eu/zerghase/androidfs.jffs2
Nov 25 12:38:31 <KenSentMe> But that could also be due to the connection available here
Nov 25 12:38:35 <zerghase> This should work ^^
Nov 25 12:38:49 <Ainulindale> kd8ikt: enlarge your ascii :-)
Nov 25 12:39:10 <KenSentMe> Downloading zerghase's file now, thanks
Nov 25 12:39:12 <kd8ikt> how do i do that
Nov 25 12:39:33 <kd8ikt> looks fine to me
Nov 25 12:40:02 <kd8ikt> i thnk youre just picky
Nov 25 12:41:13 <kd8ikt> i am going to make a ghetto wrdialer if it kills me
Nov 25 12:42:09 <kd8ikt> i guess i'll drop all the modulating modem crap and just something that randomly calls people
Nov 25 12:42:37 <kd8ikt> and records a few seconds of the transaction
Nov 25 12:42:58 <Zoup> do you have the issue of gsm to not work after a while ? 
Nov 25 12:42:59 <kd8ikt> "hello? hello?!? sonofa.. >click<
Nov 25 12:44:50 <kd8ikt> i crack myself up
Nov 25 12:53:10 <kd8ikt> come to think of it it shouldnt be too hard to make it what with python and fso's dbus readily codable
Nov 25 12:55:42 <kd8ikt> like a reverse random voicemail, have it randomly dial someone every say 30min of inactivity, play a stupid sndbyte and record comments maybe even get people calling me back like wtf!? why'd you call me? ugh... i dunno i hink my phones been hax0red
Nov 25 13:11:39 <N-Mi> does anyone here use RSS stream from planet.openmoko.org ?
Nov 25 13:13:00 <damkor> hi
Nov 25 13:13:06 <damkor> I'm testing debian on the FR
Nov 25 13:13:16 <damkor> it boots properly
Nov 25 13:13:29 <damkor> but all I see are four big numbers on the screen
Nov 25 13:13:57 <damkor> I mean, I can see the panel, the time, a background image with a phone, sms, etc
Nov 25 13:14:18 <damkor> but I'm stuck in a screen with four big squares, each of which has a number inside
Nov 25 13:14:21 <gromez> damkor: it's the lock screen of zhone (the 4 numbers)
Nov 25 13:14:27 <damkor> (from 1-4)
Nov 25 13:14:32 <damkor> I see
Nov 25 13:14:37 <damkor> what should I type?
Nov 25 13:14:45 <gromez> 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 ...
Nov 25 13:14:50 <damkor> I see
Nov 25 13:14:57 <damkor> didn't even think about a lock screen
Nov 25 13:14:59 <damkor> cheers
Nov 25 13:15:02 <gromez> :)
Nov 25 13:16:11 <damkor> hmm, there's something weird now :(
Nov 25 13:16:30 <damkor> I can only enter 4 of the 6 "sections" 
Nov 25 13:16:56 <kd8ikt> heh
Nov 25 13:16:59 <damkor> meaning GPS and profile config
Nov 25 13:17:19 <damkor> I cannot make phone call,s not sms, contacts OR date
Nov 25 13:17:32 <kd8ikt> be neat to change the lockscreen to a password
Nov 25 13:17:45 <damkor> yeap
Nov 25 13:17:59 <damkor> I'm actually pretty concerned about security in openmoko
Nov 25 13:18:29 <damkor> I mean, with bluetooth, wifi,... I'm not sure I should store sensible data on it
Nov 25 13:19:09 <kd8ikt> i dont think anyone wants your grandma's number
Nov 25 13:19:09 <damkor> I think some crypto-related hardware module could be great, so that one can use a crypted filesystem
Nov 25 13:19:29 <kd8ikt> overhead on encrypted fs's sucks
Nov 25 13:19:30 <damkor> :)) I do not consider that sensible data
Nov 25 13:20:09 <kd8ikt> or your sms conversation with your girlyfriend
Nov 25 13:20:09 <damkor> I guess if everything done by software, then it actually sucks
Nov 25 13:20:53 <kd8ikt> i've used dm-crypt on my main server box
Nov 25 13:21:15 <kd8ikt> and its great but still performance sucks 
Nov 25 13:21:44 <Fougner> hey hey heeeeey! =D
Nov 25 13:21:53 <kd8ikt> like take the normal time to copy a file and double it
Nov 25 13:22:08 <Fougner> why encrypt? =D
Nov 25 13:22:09 <kd8ikt> that would also translate in fs reads 
Nov 25 13:22:37 <kd8ikt> needs to load a lib  it'd take that much longer on an encrypted filesystem
Nov 25 13:22:52 <Fougner> I just take a microsoft machine and place it somewhere one the network, to act trashcan, being polluted by viruses and stuff =D
Nov 25 13:23:52 <kd8ikt> waste of electricity and a good linuxable machine
Nov 25 13:24:04 <Fougner> kd8ikt, not at all ;)
Nov 25 13:24:26 <Fougner> it's the computer for the rest if my family =D
Nov 25 13:24:29 <Fougner> of*
Nov 25 13:24:35 <kd8ikt> oh
Nov 25 13:24:37 <Fougner> hahah
Nov 25 13:24:44 <Fougner> just kidding
Nov 25 13:25:13 <Fougner> the family have a windows computer, but I'm not using it as trashcan
Nov 25 13:25:37 <Fougner> i've got Ubuntu server edition on my server, is that good? ^.^
Nov 25 13:25:48 <kd8ikt> not really
Nov 25 13:25:54 <Fougner> aw crap =(
Nov 25 13:25:56 <Fougner> why?
Nov 25 13:25:58 <Fougner> not*
Nov 25 13:26:30 <kd8ikt> why would you care what i think?
Nov 25 13:26:47 <Fougner> cause I'm a noob and always listen to others =)
Nov 25 13:26:55 <kd8ikt> bah
Nov 25 13:26:57 <henk> ubuntu? server? doesn't match...
Nov 25 13:27:01 <dolf1074> Fougner: fair enought ;)
Nov 25 13:27:28 <kd8ikt> i'm SO TIRED
Nov 25 13:27:28 <Fougner> then if I actually *do* what they say, that's not the same thing as listening
Nov 25 13:27:53 <kd8ikt> up allnight and yup i think i see the sun comming up
Nov 25 13:28:05 <Fougner> kd8ikt->sleep(1000*60*60*12)
Nov 25 13:28:19 <henk> Fougner: do you understand german?
Nov 25 13:28:21 <Fougner> debian then? =D
Nov 25 13:28:37 <Fougner> henk, uuhm, nope
Nov 25 13:28:45 <Fougner> maybe a few words
Nov 25 13:28:47 <Fougner> how so?
Nov 25 13:29:19 <henk> Fougner: ah a pity... i'd have had a nice blog entry about 'real linux and freetime-linux' concerning ubuntu for you...
Nov 25 13:29:26 <kd8ikt> someone want to code up my auto dialer while i catch some Zzz
Nov 25 13:29:43 <Fougner> henk, translate it? =)
Nov 25 13:29:50 <Fougner> link please =)
Nov 25 13:30:31 <kd8ikt> goatse.
Nov 25 13:30:42 <henk> Fougner: http://burnachurch.com/62/richtiges-linux-und-freizeit-linux/ you can give it a try, but i don't want to see the results really...
Nov 25 13:30:52 <Fougner> hahaha
Nov 25 13:31:01 <Fougner> okay, thanks, wish me good luck
Nov 25 13:31:23 <kd8ikt> burn a church omg
Nov 25 13:32:04 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rec0f5644649a 10framework/tests/ (3 files): tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.*
Nov 25 13:32:59 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r106197af4153 10framework/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Nov 25 13:32:59 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: fix a couple of problems in the Audio problem and support new features
Nov 25 13:32:59 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: such as a loop parameter and an optional length override (time in seconds).
Nov 25 13:32:59 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Some codecs (i.e. machine emulators such as siddec) can not find out
Nov 25 13:33:00 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: when a song ends, hence it will play forever until you stop it (or give
Nov 25 13:33:02 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: it a length override, which is now possible).
Nov 25 13:33:04 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: WARNING: API breakage in org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound()
Nov 25 13:37:03 <Fougner> haah
Nov 25 13:37:16 <Fougner> henk, it's "readable" but quite hard to understand sometimes
Nov 25 13:38:12 <henk> ah good... the first part at least.
Nov 25 13:38:14 <Fougner> feels like reading a swedish immigrant's text ^^
Nov 25 13:38:18 <henk> lol
Nov 25 13:40:15 <kd8ikt> hwhats Wartungsfreundlichkeit 
Nov 25 13:40:32 <kd8ikt> it looks like slang
Nov 25 13:40:50 <henk> 'maintainance friendlyness' would be the word by word translation.
Nov 25 13:41:01 <kd8ikt> oh
Nov 25 13:41:16 <henk> don't know of a proper english term if that isn't one... meaning: not difficult to maintain
Nov 25 13:41:54 <kd8ikt> idiot proof
Nov 25 13:41:57 <kd8ikt> ?
Nov 25 13:42:38 <henk> 'idiotensicher' = 'fool proof' (probably)
Nov 25 13:43:21 <kd8ikt> i'm using debian... cause i've gotten lazy, i'd always break gentoo after soo long 
Nov 25 13:43:30 <Razzeal> What bluetooth headset would be recommended to use with the Freerunner, I have been looking at the Jabra BT2015 but no information could really be found on the supported info...
Nov 25 13:48:23 <Razzeal> anyone know a good tutorial on using the freerunner as an mp3player?
Nov 25 13:49:23 <Fougner> Razzeal, I've tried to use it as an mp3-player =D
Nov 25 13:50:14 <Fougner> no success though.. 
Nov 25 13:51:00 <Razzeal> to bad
Nov 25 13:51:24 <Fougner> try SHR
Nov 25 13:51:43 <Fougner> http://shr.bearstech.com/
Nov 25 13:52:31 <Fougner> it has "starling".. the one I've got working "out of the box" with autoswitching between stereo headset and built in speaker
Nov 25 13:52:38 <Fougner> Razzeal, above
Nov 25 13:53:22 <Fougner> henk, I think I get your point
Nov 25 13:53:39 <Razzeal> thx
Nov 25 13:53:41 <henk> Fougner: http://www.dunkelangst.org/2008/09/23/und-tschus-ubuntu/ another article, perhaps a bit better translatable than the first one.
Nov 25 13:53:54 <henk> the comments are interesting too
Nov 25 13:53:58 <Fougner> "ubuntu is a cheap debian hot-up with worsen security"=D
Nov 25 13:54:30 <Razzeal> thx Fougner, I'll try that :D
Nov 25 13:54:52 <henk> Fougner: the second article adds 'unsocial' and some other negative attributes 'g'
Nov 25 13:55:26 <Fougner> unsocial?
Nov 25 13:55:29 <Fougner> hum
Nov 25 13:55:29 <Fougner> well
Nov 25 13:56:38 <Fougner> as I said I'm a noob, but I'm happy with Ubuntu as desktop and sever =)
Nov 25 13:56:56 <Fougner> but Debian is nice too.. had it before, on my old servers
Nov 25 13:57:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf850e8f58d51 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.PlaySound: don't crash if extension is missing in filename
Nov 25 13:57:26 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r27decb3697a1 10framework/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odeviced: fix error namespace for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio
Nov 25 13:57:26 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r36477359ea2c 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.Device.py: odeviced: start with tests for org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio()
Nov 25 13:57:31 <henk> Fougner: of course debian is nice. it's the basis of ubuntu... and ubuntu is basically nice, but it sucks pretty much in the details.
Nov 25 13:57:44 <Fougner> haha
Nov 25 13:58:06 <Fougner> which details ? I'd be happy to hear about it
Nov 25 13:58:26 <henk> Fougner: try translating that second article...
Nov 25 13:58:32 <Fougner> oh =(
Nov 25 13:58:37 <Fougner> hah
Nov 25 13:58:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfa7d656bd195 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 25 13:58:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 13:58:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: Conflicts:
Nov 25 13:58:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org:  framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py
Nov 25 13:58:48 <Fougner> I'm tired reading of immigrants swedish
Nov 25 13:58:59 <henk> i'm happy to clarify any errors in the translation, but don't have the time to summarize the complete article, sorry...
Nov 25 13:59:04 <Fougner> hehe
Nov 25 13:59:20 <Fougner> I know that Ubuntu has "newer" packages
Nov 25 13:59:30 <Fougner> released by a later date
Nov 25 13:59:53 <effbiai> is there a SHR channel?
Nov 25 13:59:55 <Fougner> also they sometimes are classified as "testing" or something
Nov 25 14:00:15 <henk> Fougner: that's because debian has a pretty tight definition of what 'stable' actually means...
Nov 25 14:00:22 <Ainulindale> effbiai: no, there's a devel channel
Nov 25 14:00:36 <effbiai> Ainulindale: openmoko-cdevel?
Nov 25 14:00:39 <henk> or ubuntu doesn't have a 'stable' release 'g'
Nov 25 14:00:42 <Ainulindale> effbiai: yep
Nov 25 14:00:47 <effbiai> roger =)
Nov 25 14:00:48 <effbiai> thx
Nov 25 14:01:35 <Fougner> henk, well, as long as the users think it's "stable", it really doesn't matter.. or does it?
Nov 25 14:01:42 <Fougner> what defines "stable software" ?
Nov 25 14:01:51 <henk> Fougner: on a server it definitely matters!
Nov 25 14:02:18 <henk> on the client... well, that depends on the requirements...
Nov 25 14:02:35 <Fougner> yaaay, so requirements doesn't count for servers?
Nov 25 14:03:08 <henk> Fougner: first requirement for servers: secure and stable software.
Nov 25 14:03:31 <Fougner> oh, so why do people use Windows Server? =D
Nov 25 14:04:08 <henk> Fougner: you haven't gotten to know 'people' yet? 'people' are dumb, don't think, and lie!
Nov 25 14:04:22 <Fougner> hehe
Nov 25 14:04:40 <Wonka> ack.
Nov 25 14:04:41 <Fougner> we do not belong to the category "people" then ;)
Nov 25 14:04:48 <Fougner> well
Nov 25 14:04:51 <CVirus> windows is a monolithic OS good for 1 thing ... whipping your butt with
Nov 25 14:04:52 <Wonka> customers are like people, only worse
Nov 25 14:05:07 <Wonka> CVirus: "wiping", i hope
Nov 25 14:05:19 <CVirus> my bad english probably
Nov 25 14:05:25 <Fougner> sometimes people need commersial software =)
Nov 25 14:05:38 <CVirus> commercial, i hope
Nov 25 14:05:40 <CVirus> :-p
Nov 25 14:05:41 <Wonka> a whip is a device inteded to cause pain
Nov 25 14:05:44 <Fougner> exaaaaactley =)
Nov 25 14:05:48 <Wonka> whipping is the act of using a whip
Nov 25 14:05:51 <henk> Wonka: would you want to wipe your ass with a piece of shit only held together by worms and viruses?
Nov 25 14:05:57 * Fougner cracks a whip
Nov 25 14:06:03 <Wonka> henk: nope :)
Nov 25 14:06:11 <Fougner> aaaaw, come on guys
Nov 25 14:06:14 <Dave> Back to work, slaves!
Nov 25 14:06:15 <Fougner> it isn't that bad
Nov 25 14:06:20 <Wonka> henk: but neither would i whip my butt with it.
Nov 25 14:06:22 <Fougner> windows is good for some users
Nov 25 14:06:31 <CVirus> windows is good for no one
Nov 25 14:06:40 <CVirus> my 6 years old uses Ubuntu smoothly
Nov 25 14:06:40 <Fougner> then why do people use it?
Nov 25 14:06:43 <henk> me neither, but actually whipping may even be worse since that can cause open wounds and i'd rather have windows in my arse than in my blood...
Nov 25 14:06:45 <CVirus> 6 years old sister*
Nov 25 14:07:52 <Wonka> Fougner: because WoW runs with the least pain on it
Nov 25 14:08:07 <sakkara_> Fougner: they use it because it comes pre-installed on there pcs and they don't want/know to setup a different os...
Nov 25 14:08:08 <effbiai> anyway.. do anyone know why the shr image size has bin squeezed, has the code just bin improoved or have they removed stuff? 20081120 89M - 20081121 76M - 20081123 71M
Nov 25 14:08:25 <Fougner> honestly
Nov 25 14:08:35 <Dave> removed crap
Nov 25 14:08:49 <Dave> Don't worry :)
Nov 25 14:08:57 <effbiai> removed crap or "crap"? ;)
Nov 25 14:09:03 <Fougner> then today Windows has something Linux does not!
Nov 25 14:09:13 <henk> Fougner: they don't know anything else. and if they knew, they wouldn't know everything is better than windows and if they knew they wouldn't know that a differently designed software isn't necessarily worse than windows and even if they knew they wouldn't understand that getting used to something else will save a whole fscking lot of time later on...
Nov 25 14:09:45 <d-b> effbiai: eh ?
Nov 25 14:09:58 <henk> windows has a lot of stuff linux does not have: an ever growing history, even more senseless and cryptic error messages, useless applications on board, ...
Nov 25 14:10:22 <Fougner> yeah and it's commercial
Nov 25 14:10:23 <d-b> windows is good for two things. one spreading windows and two $$$$
Nov 25 14:10:25 <effbiai> if we _might_ need it.. then it's just "crap" ;)
Nov 25 14:10:36 <d-b> effbiai: need what ?
Nov 25 14:10:46 <Wonka> Dave: crap like mp3 players?
Nov 25 14:10:49 <d-b> we don't need computers
Nov 25 14:10:52 <d-b> etc.
Nov 25 14:11:11 <effbiai> d-b: gah, see earler post
Nov 25 14:11:12 <Dave> hahaha
Nov 25 14:11:16 <Dave> nah
Nov 25 14:11:40 <d-b> ok. but is shr any good ?
Nov 25 14:11:44 <Fougner> well, can someone please help me install latest CoD on ubuntu?
Nov 25 14:11:44 <effbiai> y
Nov 25 14:11:46 <Fougner> =D
Nov 25 14:11:56 <effbiai> i actually liked it better than qt ext
Nov 25 14:12:07 <sakkara_> d-b:  i NEED my computer, without it i can't flash my fr :P
Nov 25 14:12:30 <d-b> Fougner: yeah
Nov 25 14:12:33 <d-b> it runs under wine
Nov 25 14:12:34 <effbiai> jeje, back to work
Nov 25 14:12:55 <d-b> sakkara_: blame adobe ^^
Nov 25 14:13:17 <sakkara_> XD
Nov 25 14:13:45 <d-b> effbiai: can't find your earlier rant.
Nov 25 14:14:22 <d-b> what bothers me with linux is the kernel level problems. which occur from time to time and the lack of a security mind set for linus.
Nov 25 14:14:26 <effbiai> 15:08 < effbiai> anyway.. do anyone know why the shr image size has bin squeezed, has the code just bin improoved or have they removed stuff? 20081120 89M - 20081121 76M - 20081123 71M | 15:08 < Dave> removed crap
Nov 25 14:14:38 <d-b> there is no kernel.org/security but there is a microsoft.com/security etc.
Nov 25 14:14:56 <d-b> effbiai: that's no rant ^^
Nov 25 14:15:17 <Ainulindale> effbiai: I removed stuff
Nov 25 14:15:17 <Dave> microsoft ... security?
Nov 25 14:15:23 <Dave> Ainulindale!
Nov 25 14:15:26 <Ainulindale> But the problem is that the image generation got borked in the process of cleaning it
Nov 25 14:15:30 <Dave> admissions come forth :)
Nov 25 14:15:32 <Fougner> I've never user a microsoft support-thing.. but a linux support channel, yes =D
Nov 25 14:15:32 <Ainulindale> That's why I wiped out the whole OE tree
Nov 25 14:15:41 <Ainulindale> And I'm currently generating the image from scratch
Nov 25 14:15:49 <Ainulindale> It'll complete this evening I hope
Nov 25 14:15:54 <Dave> Ainu, did you finish with the packages?
Nov 25 14:15:59 <Dave> or are those being rebuilt as well?
Nov 25 14:16:03 <effbiai> Ainulindale: witch image do you want us to use now then?
Nov 25 14:16:17 <Ainulindale> Now? LAtest
Nov 25 14:16:20 <Fougner> A WITCH????? WHERE????
Nov 25 14:16:22 <Ainulindale> But you won't have language selection
Nov 25 14:16:27 <effbiai> ah
Nov 25 14:16:30 <Ainulindale> Dave: NOTE: Running task 4642 of 5928 (ID: 2554, /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/busybox/busybox_1.11.3.bb, do_configure)
Nov 25 14:16:32 <effbiai> then i'll wait =)
Nov 25 14:16:32 <Fougner> DAAAAAVE =D
Nov 25 14:16:37 <Dave> okay okay :)
Nov 25 14:16:48 <Dave> I'll be patient :)
Nov 25 14:17:09 <d-b> Dave: vista has very few problems. linux.... - pick a distro 
Nov 25 14:17:18 <Ainulindale> I strongly suggest to reflash as soon as I say it's ready
Nov 25 14:17:25 <Ainulindale> Though my opinion is the image will grow bigger
Nov 25 14:17:25 <d-b> meh its offtopic
Nov 25 14:17:53 <Dave> \o/
Nov 25 14:20:18 <Fougner> Dave =D
Nov 25 14:20:21 <Fougner> what's up?
Nov 25 14:23:12 <Dave> Ainulindale's rebuild
Nov 25 14:23:32 <Ainulindale> Next thing to come is the OE patches for fastboot
Nov 25 14:24:05 <Dave> Hooray!
Nov 25 14:24:12 <Dave> One step at a time, eh, Ainu? :)
Nov 25 14:24:38 <Ainulindale> Oh, I'm used to fall trying to jump the steps
Nov 25 14:26:11 <Dave> oh really? :]
Nov 25 14:26:12 <Dave> hehe
Nov 25 14:26:24 <Dave> can't say I blame you :P
Nov 25 14:27:11 <Ainulindale> Dave: though for the last packages it'll go fast
Nov 25 14:27:23 <Ainulindale> The big ones are there already
Nov 25 14:28:18 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 14:29:12 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r61dad6c2561b 10/otapi/ (2 files): otapi: document expected values for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.ListPhoneboks()
Nov 25 14:30:39 <Ainulindale> Dave: NOTE: Running task 4934 of 5928 (ID: 2089, /home/shr/shr-testing/openembedded/packages/starling/starling_svn.bb, do_compile)
Nov 25 14:30:42 <Ainulindale> see?
Nov 25 14:30:49 <Dave> Yay!
Nov 25 14:30:51 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 14:32:03 <CVirus> GSM.SIM.ListPhoneboks() .. boks ?
Nov 25 14:32:07 <igor321> hai guiz! i'm trying to play the .3gp clips that youtube streams
Nov 25 14:32:18 <Ainulindale> CVirus: well, typo :-)
Nov 25 14:33:24 <CVirus> Ainulindale: it's correct there http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#ListPhonebooks
Nov 25 14:33:27 <CVirus> :-)
Nov 25 14:33:33 <Ainulindale> Yeah I know
Nov 25 14:55:13 <slaxxin> shr yet?
Nov 25 14:56:30 <Tig|> has anyone got a log of what a working bluetooth keyboard connecting looks like
Nov 25 14:57:05 <pooze1> huh...? why no daily-build root-image on downloads.openmoko.org/daily?
Nov 25 14:57:52 <slaxxin> well thats a god sign
Nov 25 14:58:01 <pooze1> :(
Nov 25 14:58:19 <pooze1> perhaps it was broken.
Nov 25 14:58:25 <pooze1> but where can I find yesterdays daily build then?
Nov 25 14:58:50 <slaxxin> maybe 2008.11 is popping out
Nov 25 14:59:02 <pooze1> hmm.. I haven't seen it anywhere.
Nov 25 14:59:18 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r551321fe0d7f 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] catch up modem abstraction with current state of affairs, use PDU mode
Nov 25 14:59:23 <pooze1> under the releases folder, I do find an Om2008.9 image from 17th of november.
Nov 25 15:05:56 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9d2b032175c5 10/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
Nov 25 15:05:56 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: * add missing glibc async annotations in org.freesmartphone.Preferences.*
Nov 25 15:05:56 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: * regenerate docs
Nov 25 15:07:27 <DocScrutinizer2> slaxxin: don't hold ypur breath
Nov 25 15:07:45 <Wonka> i don't like my FR's GPRS behaviour... http://pastebin.com/m787001b3
Nov 25 15:08:47 <DocScrutinizer2> Wonka: bin, or sledgehammer ;-)
Nov 25 15:09:09 <DocScrutinizer2> sorry...
Nov 25 15:09:23 <mwester> :p
Nov 25 15:09:59 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 15:11:57 <Fougner> :o
Nov 25 15:12:32 * DocScrutinizer2 ducks
Nov 25 15:12:37 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: same sim in S65 does work better...
Nov 25 15:13:21 <DocScrutinizer2> same muxer in S6t doesn't work at all ;-)
Nov 25 15:13:29 <Fougner> hiyaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Nov 25 15:13:54 <Fougner> I am the cereal-eating NINJAAH!
Nov 25 15:14:36 <Fougner> hey Dave!
Nov 25 15:15:41 <DocScrutinizer2> Fougner: be carefull! Here we got hypersensitive gasalarm in the kitchen XD
Nov 25 15:15:51 <jonkristian> Anybody have usb networking trouble with shr?
Nov 25 15:16:08 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: someone did, and you'll have troubles in conjunction with mofi
Nov 25 15:16:42 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: So, there's something wrong with mofi?
Nov 25 15:16:58 <DocScrutinizer2> *snoooooooooooort*
Nov 25 15:17:17 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: Yep
Nov 25 15:17:22 <Ainulindale> It does an ifconfig usb0 down
Nov 25 15:17:26 <Ainulindale> Check your /etc/mofi dir
Nov 25 15:17:29 <Ainulindale> connect.sh
Nov 25 15:18:41 <Dave> Damn, my sound is busted.
Nov 25 15:18:50 <Ainulindale> Dave: 5422 of 5928 
Nov 25 15:18:55 <Dave> \o/
Nov 25 15:18:57 <Dave> Progress!
Nov 25 15:19:01 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 15:19:10 <Ainulindale> I'll take a little while because I'll test it before showing it online
Nov 25 15:19:18 <Dave> bah
Nov 25 15:19:30 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: will you have a new image up tonight that takes care of this?
Nov 25 15:19:33 <Dave> Well I'm going to be hammering the webserver after it's finished :P
Nov 25 15:19:38 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: no, I won't fix this
Nov 25 15:19:48 <Ainulindale> If people wishes to use mofi, then they have to configure it
Nov 25 15:19:57 <Ainulindale> This software is, sad to say, a real pain
Nov 25 15:20:10 <Ainulindale> It took me all the courage of the world to build a bb recipe for it
Nov 25 15:21:09 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: I'd love to see something like networkmanager for the fr, it's awesome:)
Nov 25 15:21:43 <Ainulindale> Same here
Nov 25 15:22:12 <jonkristian> So, i have to remove ifconfig usb0 down from connect.sh ?
Nov 25 15:22:25 <Ainulindale> Modify it according to your needs
Nov 25 15:22:26 <jonkristian> I thought id had to bring down usb0 to work with wlan ?
Nov 25 15:22:46 <Ainulindale> No
Nov 25 15:22:53 <Ainulindale> You have to change your routes
Nov 25 15:26:03 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: well, my problem is usb networking from laptop -> fr , i don't think mofi is responsible for that, but i'll test a little.
Nov 25 15:26:20 <Ainulindale> Indeed it is
Nov 25 15:26:23 <Ainulindale> If it disables usb 
Nov 25 15:26:56 <Ainulindale> Were you a magician I'd say you could ssh with a disabled connection
Nov 25 15:27:00 <Ainulindale> But you're not, are you? :-)
Nov 25 15:28:14 <sicu> ~magician
Nov 25 15:28:16 <apt> hmm... magician is a HTC pda/phone sold as i-Mate JAM, MDA Compact, Qtek S100/S110, Xda Mini, SPV M500 or VPA Compact.
Nov 25 15:28:51 <sicu> hmm... i doubt he'd be able to even if he was HTC product ;p
Nov 25 15:29:12 <sakkara_> lol xD
Nov 25 15:29:45 <jonkristian> hehe
Nov 25 15:31:17 <phobie> is there a fingerfriendly keyboard?
Nov 25 15:31:21 <phobie> What about T9?
Nov 25 15:31:53 <sakkara_> jonkristian: i'd say just don't start mofi and check if usb-net works, or try ifconfig usb0 up
Nov 25 15:35:33 <jonkristian> And I'll continue to say that it's not the problem
Nov 25 15:36:28 <henk> phobie: i was asking for t9 as well and heard it was patented... iirc.
Nov 25 15:37:24 <sakkara_> have you tried or you just say it?
Nov 25 15:38:53 <jonkristian> sakkara_: yeah, i made sure usb0 was up
Nov 25 15:38:54 <phobie> henk: than let make t10 ;)
Nov 25 15:38:59 <henk> hehe
Nov 25 15:39:21 <jonkristian> Doing a reboot now, and clearing iptables
Nov 25 15:41:13 <phobie> T9 patent http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5818437.html
Nov 25 15:41:37 <phobie> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1256871
Nov 25 15:42:15 <jonkristian> which seemed to work:)
Nov 25 15:42:25 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rf7fa0d515da9 10framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tests: start with phonebook tests
Nov 25 15:42:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r283d8bbad864 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 16:00:37 <Tig|> what I really could do with now is a raster 
Nov 25 16:01:25 <Tig|> has anyone had any joy getting external keyboards working under ms4 or shr ? 
Nov 25 16:04:58 <Ainulindale> Dave: image is here
Nov 25 16:10:28 <Fougner> Ainulindale, =D
Nov 25 16:10:43 <Fougner> ey guys, the OM2007 image, where can i get 'em?
Nov 25 16:10:52 <Fougner> images*
Nov 25 16:40:58 <AntonTakk> just curious, but does anyone know of any progress on gta03 since the last entry from 8/18 on the gta03_revisions page? or why there has been none?  again, just curious
Nov 25 16:44:51 <pjz> anyone know why qtopia turns on the speakerphone on incoming calls?
Nov 25 16:45:08 <pjz> outgoing calls work fine; I tweaked the volume up and they sound quite decent
Nov 25 16:45:59 <pjz> AntonTakk: lots of progress since then, I'm sure; see the kernel trees for the progress on it there
Nov 25 16:46:49 <AntonTakk> pjz: was thinking more hardware wise, but ok, thanks for the tip  :)
Nov 25 16:47:26 <pjz> AntonTakk: well, it's quite difficult to write drivers for hardware that doesn't exist
Nov 25 16:47:34 <pjz> AntonTakk: well, easy to write, but hard to *test*
Nov 25 16:47:49 <AntonTakk> ....  excellent point  :)
Nov 25 17:01:27 <tdobson> LOL i just accidently sent some people like 5 copes of the same message because i thought it wasnt working
Nov 25 17:01:34 <tdobson> because the messages got stuck in my outbox
Nov 25 17:01:35 <tdobson> oops
Nov 25 17:01:36 <tdobson> lol
Nov 25 17:16:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rc1d4ffad4937 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: 
Nov 25 17:16:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: tests: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM:
Nov 25 17:16:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: * RetrieveEntry
Nov 25 17:16:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: * StoreEntry
Nov 25 17:16:39 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: * DeleteEntry
Nov 25 17:16:52 <CIA-51> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r259ed5683634 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 25 18:05:02 <Wonka> *curse*
Nov 25 18:05:20 <Wonka> wpa_supplicant won't connect to my wpa2-psk-ccmp wlan...
Nov 25 18:05:47 <Wonka> Trying to associate with 00:1e:xx:xx:xx:xx (SSID='xxxxxx' freq=2412 MHz)
Nov 25 18:06:03 <Wonka> Authentication with 00:1e:xx:xx:xx:xx timed out.
Nov 25 18:06:09 <Wonka> 'PING' command timed out.
Nov 25 18:06:59 <Weiss> Wonka: muppet check: did you enable MAC filtering on the AP? (i always forget that)
Nov 25 18:07:11 <Wonka> Weiss: never.
Nov 25 18:07:39 <Wonka> aaah. i opened a second ssh connection, entered "iwconfig eth0 essid any", and then it worked...
Nov 25 18:08:09 <Wonka> er, not exactly, i see.
Nov 25 18:08:28 <Wonka> it connected to an open network instead, after the other one timed out again.
Nov 25 18:08:37 <Weiss> d'oh
Nov 25 18:11:28 <Wonka> it should not do that!
Nov 25 18:12:22 <DocScrutinizer2> Wonka: I seem to remember there was a strange kind of restriktion about sequence of iwconfig commands, like no essid after key or sth alike
Nov 25 18:12:37 <cjb> I think that's driver-dependent
Nov 25 18:12:51 <cjb> (so might be a bug in the openmoko's wifi driver)
Nov 25 18:12:55 <Wonka> i have a wpa-roam.conf, and three network configs in it. one of them is priority 0 for open networks, another one is priority 100 for my wpa2-psk-ccmp network.
Nov 25 18:13:23 <DocScrutinizer2> It *was* a bug in wifi driver
Nov 25 18:13:44 <Wonka> Linux debian-gta02 2.6.24-20081103.git7172ec57
Nov 25 18:13:58 <Wonka> what kernel package should i get?
Nov 25 18:14:26 <Wonka> i don't even have a problem with an ipk...
Nov 25 18:14:45 <DocScrutinizer2> s/was/is/
Nov 25 18:14:45 <apt> DocScrutinizer2 meant: It *is* a bug in wifi driver
Nov 25 18:14:52 <greterter> Why is there no opkg-targe in http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/openmoko-i686-arm-linux-gnueabi-toolchain.tar.bz2 ?
Nov 25 18:16:03 <DocScrutinizer2> Or probably more in wifi firmware
Nov 25 18:16:28 <Wonka> damn.
Nov 25 18:17:22 <Wonka> i read the "was" as "it is fixed since some amount of time"... but if you meant "is", then i'm basically *bleep*ed for the moment?
Nov 25 18:18:18 <DocScrutinizer2> don't  remember exactly, but you just had to obej right sequence, then it worked. dunno whether related to your problem tho
Nov 25 18:22:15 <Fougner> =(
Nov 25 18:22:22 * Fougner is a noob
Nov 25 18:24:32 * Fougner wonders if someone want to explain requirements to do a simple c++ and gtk app on the FR, when the source works fine on his computer
Nov 25 18:24:51 <TAsn> Fougner, jsut read about the toolchain in the wiki...
Nov 25 18:24:56 <Sargun_Screen> Fougner: how simple?
Nov 25 18:25:15 <Fougner> Sargun_Screen, like, hello world =)
Nov 25 18:25:17 <Sargun_Screen> Ditch the C++, preferably gtk too
Nov 25 18:25:27 <Fougner> TAsn, thanks, will look there
Nov 25 18:25:47 <Sargun_Screen> Fougner: I would tell you to install, and develop under debian
Nov 25 18:26:05 <Fougner> =(
Nov 25 18:26:13 <Sargun_Screen> why?
Nov 25 18:27:29 <Fougner> AMD64 = x86-compatible ?
Nov 25 18:27:43 <Fougner> s/=/==
Nov 25 18:28:03 <Fougner> s/=/==/
Nov 25 18:28:04 <apt> Fougner meant: s/==/==
Nov 25 18:28:09 <Fougner> oh crap
Nov 25 18:28:13 <Fougner> ~_~
Nov 25 18:28:14 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Nov 25 18:28:27 <Fougner> apt, stop it yourself!
Nov 25 18:28:29 * apt leaps to his feet and stops it yourself!
Nov 25 18:29:20 <Fougner> Sargun_Screen, why develop in debian?
Nov 25 18:30:46 <effbiai> Ainulindale: is there a problem connecting to open network with Mofi on SHR? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly.
Nov 25 18:32:41 <Wonka> argh. i hate the AT command interface...
Nov 25 18:32:45 <DocScrutinizer2> wpa_supplicant sucks ;-D
Nov 25 18:33:10 <effbiai> DocScrutinizer2: word =)
Nov 25 18:33:13 <Wonka> apt, stfu!
Nov 25 18:33:14 <apt> :(
Nov 25 18:34:49 <Fougner> which toolchain to download? TAsn ?
Nov 25 18:35:07 <Fougner> apt, come here!
Nov 25 18:35:20 <Fougner> apt get me some coffee
Nov 25 18:35:21 * apt fetches me some coffee
Nov 25 18:38:12 <TAsn> I used the regular toolchain.
Nov 25 18:38:17 <TAsn> cya, im off..
Nov 25 18:38:23 <Dave> Ainulindale \o/
Nov 25 18:38:41 <Fougner> Ainulindale \o/
Nov 25 18:39:03 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave!
Nov 25 18:39:13 <Dave> Joerg!
Nov 25 18:39:24 <DocScrutinizer2> no explosions today?
Nov 25 18:39:27 <Dave> uhh
Nov 25 18:39:29 <Dave> Last night :D
Nov 25 18:39:38 <Dave> and it was more of an implosion :p
Nov 25 18:40:10 <DocScrutinizer2> lol, too much empty space in FR
Nov 25 18:40:41 <Fougner> uh,m
Nov 25 18:40:42 <Fougner> Dave
Nov 25 18:40:45 <DocScrutinizer2> when it implodes, it will eat your house
Nov 25 18:40:48 <Fougner> how many FRs do you haev?
Nov 25 18:42:14 <DocScrutinizer2> None, either chain+ball, or not running any more :D
Nov 25 18:46:37 <Dave> Doc :P
Nov 25 18:47:24 <Fougner> Dave, how many FRs do you haev?
Nov 25 18:47:26 <Fougner> have*
Nov 25 18:47:31 <Dave> Enough :p
Nov 25 18:48:09 <Fougner> number?
Nov 25 18:48:14 <Fougner> how many? =D
Nov 25 18:48:16 <Fougner> please
Nov 25 18:48:18 <Fougner> tell me =D
Nov 25 18:48:24 * Dave pelt Fougner with his pile of freerunners
Nov 25 18:48:27 <leinirAWAY> Considerably more than yaw! ;)
Nov 25 18:48:35 <Dave> zing!
Nov 25 18:48:41 * Dave high-fives Leinir
Nov 25 18:48:49 * leinirAWAY giggles :)
Nov 25 18:48:57 * b0ib0t2 giggles
Nov 25 18:49:10 * Fougner giggles
Nov 25 18:49:11 * Dave wiggles
Nov 25 18:49:16 <Fougner> :o
Nov 25 18:49:20 * b0ib0t2 jiggles
Nov 25 18:49:35 <Dave> :p
Nov 25 18:49:39 <Fougner> Dave
Nov 25 18:49:45 <Fougner> how many, serious ?
Nov 25 18:49:46 <b0ib0t2> Dave
Nov 25 18:49:47 <Dave> Win.
Nov 25 18:49:48 <Fougner> =D
Nov 25 18:49:52 <henk> does anyone know where to get support for qi?
Nov 25 18:50:06 <Dave> henk, I don't believe there is any yet :)
Nov 25 18:50:08 <Fougner> henk, there! *points*
Nov 25 18:50:16 <Dave> Other than the mailing lists
Nov 25 18:50:36 <Fougner> ey
Nov 25 18:50:43 <Fougner> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain
Nov 25 18:50:57 <Fougner> I come to "First, update the opkg database (Notice, you should use alias opkg-target but not opkg) "
Nov 25 18:51:01 <cjb> huh, I just booted MSO4.1, and I get a black screen when X should be coming up
Nov 25 18:51:04 <cjb> and nothing on that screen
Nov 25 18:51:05 <cjb> any ideas?
Nov 25 18:51:13 <Fougner> but my computer says " * Could not obtain administrative lock
Nov 25 18:51:13 <Fougner> "
Nov 25 18:51:25 <Dave> nice
Nov 25 18:51:52 <Fougner> noooo
Nov 25 18:51:54 <Fougner> not nice
Nov 25 18:52:26 <cjb> ooh, its up now
Nov 25 18:52:30 <cjb> looks pretty so far!
Nov 25 18:52:36 <Dave> Yep
Nov 25 18:53:34 <cjb> does this image have idle-suspend working?
Nov 25 18:55:34 <DocScrutinizer2> cjb: it just takes a while to render the mandelbrot with limit 65525, and modulo 1, that's used for  wallpaper ;-D
Nov 25 18:56:23 <Fougner> what is a .ppm file?
Nov 25 18:56:52 <Ke> a very simple image format
Nov 25 18:57:34 <Ke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm_format
Nov 25 18:58:26 <_Bill__> very-very-very uneffecttive and ugly image format :)
Nov 25 18:59:07 <Ke> well it's very easy to do if you are writing a program
Nov 25 19:00:11 <_Bill__> that indeed. but no man in clear mind should do it...
Nov 25 19:00:15 <Fougner> okay. I wonder because one of the splashscreens...
Nov 25 19:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> WAAAAH!
Nov 25 19:01:07 <Dave> o_O
Nov 25 19:01:12 <Fougner> then I guess Team Moko were doing drugs when they coded it =)
Nov 25 19:01:17 <Fougner> Dave! =D
Nov 25 19:01:24 <Dave> shush!
Nov 25 19:01:32 <Dave> Ke :]
Nov 25 19:01:36 <_Bill__> lol
Nov 25 19:01:39 <Ke> Dave: !
Nov 25 19:02:30 <Ke> I used netpbm on a simple octave script to plot images =o/
Nov 25 19:03:16 <DocScrutinizer2> Fougner: sure! OM delivers them for free to all coders ;-)
Nov 25 19:03:57 <cjb> wow, this FSOm4 is beautiful
Nov 25 19:04:20 <_Bill__> lol.. whatever they're doing... i want that too.. using a ppm as a spash is surely result of some good stuff
Nov 25 19:04:29 <DocScrutinizer2> not for hw-team though, we have to use EST 
Nov 25 19:05:43 <Dave> yay :D
Nov 25 19:06:12 <Wonka> whythe*bleep* is the kernel image in fso-unstable older than the one in fso-testing?
Nov 25 19:06:19 <Fougner> DocScrutinizer2, :O you kidding me?
Nov 25 19:06:43 <Fougner> cjb, what's the matter? =D enlighten me =D
Nov 25 19:07:02 <DocScrutinizer2> Fougner: no! hw-team get no drugs for free :-(
Nov 25 19:07:04 <Dave> Wonka, don't you know - as time goes forward, progress goes backward :D
Nov 25 19:07:24 <Fougner> Dave, like in vista... timemachine
Nov 25 19:08:37 <_Bill__> wasn't timemachine a mac thing?
Nov 25 19:08:52 * _Bill__ flashing 4.1 as we speak
Nov 25 19:11:27 <effbiai> is there a problem connecting to open network with Mofi on SHR? the "Connect to selected" buttun hangs as it is pushed down, and nothing happens. I've also checked /var/log/messages on the dhcp server, no dhcp discover from the phone there eather. using latest image - but i've seen this earlier on an different open network before. i connected a WEP network at work today.. and that worked flawlessly.
Nov 25 19:13:33 <DocScrutinizer2> Fougner: (EST) so I'm on withdrawal here in .tw, as mains is 100V here, from Germany I'm used to 220V ;-)
Nov 25 19:14:52 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 19:15:20 <Fougner> taiwan? :O
Nov 25 19:15:31 <Fougner> 220V rules =D
Nov 25 19:15:52 <Fougner> DocScrutinizer2, you're one of the students working for OM?
Nov 25 19:15:56 <Dave> bah
Nov 25 19:16:00 <Dave> students?
Nov 25 19:16:02 <Dave> hahaha
Nov 25 19:16:16 <Dave> I bet you're flattered, Joerg :P
Nov 25 19:16:17 <DocScrutinizer2> apt: joerg
Nov 25 19:16:19 <apt> well, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer
Nov 25 19:17:06 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 19:19:27 <Fougner> dang
Nov 25 19:19:42 <Fougner> what gstreamer package do I need on my computer to compile in toolchain? :O
Nov 25 19:20:19 <Fougner> DocScrutinizer2, no offence, sorry
Nov 25 19:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> Fougner: np :)
Nov 25 19:22:22 <Fougner> DocScrutinizer, hw engineer huh? so you're good at all the hw in the FR? =D
Nov 25 19:22:23 <balrog-k1n> we're all students in some sense :p
Nov 25 19:22:51 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/m787001b3 - where might the malfunction be?
Nov 25 19:23:17 <DocScrutinizer2> only reason to do this
Nov 25 19:23:31 <effbiai> apt, get me some cofee
Nov 25 19:23:32 * apt fetches me some cofee
Nov 25 19:23:42 <effbiai> apt, ME not you
Nov 25 19:23:44 <apt> moi?
Nov 25 19:23:59 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: ppp connects eventually, ssh connect comes to some point, after that, there's only outgoing retransmissions and no more replies
Nov 25 19:24:07 <Dave> toi
Nov 25 19:24:18 <Wonka> apt: get effbiai some coffee
Nov 25 19:24:19 * apt fetches effbiai some coffee
Nov 25 19:26:00 <DocScrutinizer2> Wonka: line26?
Nov 25 19:26:44 <DocScrutinizer2> Wonka: tell me, is this hw actually?
Nov 25 19:27:19 <Psi> anyone aware of any hardware hacks to gta01 to fix the short battery life?
Nov 25 19:27:30 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: this is from my FR
Nov 25 19:27:48 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: what did you mean with "line26?"?
Nov 25 19:28:50 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: only edit is the "a.b.c.d" instead of the real IP
Nov 25 19:28:55 <DocScrutinizer2> Wonka: line26 looks suspicious. Anyway I couldn't fix it with my soldering iron ;-)
Nov 25 19:29:29 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: that message showed up every time i got a ppp connection going
Nov 25 19:29:48 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: and several tcp packets came through, so i'd think it's nothing fatal
Nov 25 19:30:34 <DocScrutinizer2> well, sorry I can't help then :-/
Nov 25 19:30:48 <Wonka> :(
Nov 25 19:31:16 <DocScrutinizer2> Psi: remove reset transistor to calypso?
Nov 25 19:31:31 <Wonka> hm. i could try to strace the script that gave me the tty from the muxer...
Nov 25 19:31:38 <muxe> yay
Nov 25 19:31:52 <DocScrutinizer2> muxe: lol
Nov 25 19:32:00 <Psi> DocScrutinizer2: i dunno, is there any documentation about it
Nov 25 19:32:14 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: wouldn't that disable the calypso?
Nov 25 19:32:20 <DocScrutinizer2> Didn't see any
Nov 25 19:32:38 <DocScrutinizer2> nope, see GTA02
Nov 25 19:32:58 <effbiai> using SHR. is there a service or something like that to restart some kind of gsm (modem) handler? I'm not able to get signal strenght from my operator. i'm getting "SOS Only" witch i guess means that it has reception from an other cellular operator OR it can't read my SIM
Nov 25 19:33:57 <Fougner> DocScrutinizer, what's calypso? =D
Nov 25 19:34:50 <Wonka> Fougner: the GSM chipset.
Nov 25 19:34:58 <Wonka> Fougner: texas instruments "Calypso".
Nov 25 19:35:12 <DocScrutinizer2> Psi: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003191.html
Nov 25 19:35:33 <Fougner> ah
Nov 25 19:39:03 <Psi> DocScrutinizer2: thanks
Nov 25 19:39:30 <DocScrutinizer2> Psi: welcome :)
Nov 25 19:41:11 <DocScrutinizer2> Psi: tho this mail obviously is incorrect: we actually have a switch for GSM on GTA02
Nov 25 19:41:25 <Fougner> cool
Nov 25 19:43:02 <DocScrutinizer2> anyway you can live without. But reset is *BAD*[TM]
Nov 25 19:45:14 <DocScrutinizer2> Psi: just reflash to MOKO10 before removing this transistor ;)  Would be much harder to do afterwords
Nov 25 19:45:49 <henk> any idea how to debug qi not booting the kernel on the sd.
Nov 25 19:45:52 <henk> ?
Nov 25 19:46:26 <DocScrutinizer2> Hum, use debugboard? ;-)
Nov 25 19:48:36 <henk> don't have one :-/
Nov 25 19:48:41 <Dave> :S
Nov 25 19:48:50 <Dave> I just started cutting things up
Nov 25 19:49:20 <DocScrutinizer2> Dave: beware!
Nov 25 19:49:23 <Psi> DocScrutinizer2: interesting
Nov 25 19:50:02 <Psi> i thought there was a hardware bug in the production gta01 that resulted in the 12h battery life
Nov 25 19:50:24 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Nov 25 19:50:37 <SpeedEvil> I've had nearly that playing mp3 clocked down to 60MHz
Nov 25 19:51:01 <SpeedEvil> However, that was with the modem off, the firmware installed took 30mA all the time.
Nov 25 19:51:10 <SpeedEvil> I should update my firmware.
Nov 25 19:52:19 <Psi> how long should a production gta01 last when its registered on the network and waiting for calls but everything else is off
Nov 25 19:52:59 <SpeedEvil> Literally everything off - 40 hours or so with the stock GSM firmware.
Nov 25 19:53:22 <Psi> hm.. 
Nov 25 19:53:31 <Psi> ive never had more than 12 hours
Nov 25 19:53:33 <SpeedEvil> Reportedly more with newer firmware (7 days?) but I haven't upgraded my modem
Nov 25 19:53:37 <SpeedEvil> that is with the CPU off.
Nov 25 19:53:44 <SpeedEvil> Not in 'stop' mode.
Nov 25 19:53:54 <SpeedEvil> I don't think any image actually does that.
Nov 25 19:54:05 <SpeedEvil> But with RAM resumable.
Nov 25 19:54:37 <Psi> hm..
Nov 25 19:54:57 <Psi> so you think we may yet get updates to make gta01 usable?
Nov 25 19:55:16 <SpeedEvil> No.
Nov 25 19:55:24 <SpeedEvil> Well - I have no knowledge of that.
Nov 25 19:55:36 <Psi> so its possible but you know of no one working on it
Nov 25 19:55:41 <SpeedEvil> I'm speaking of the fundmanetlas the hardware can do.
Nov 25 19:56:14 <Psi> whats the current gta02 standby life?
Nov 25 19:58:27 <damkor> hi, has anyone tried libghc6-gtk-dev for debian-arm on FR
Nov 25 19:58:29 <damkor> ?
Nov 25 19:59:47 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management psi is some idea of the stuff to be done. Still. :/
Nov 25 20:00:11 <Psi> thanks
Nov 25 20:00:17 <rooly> your welcome
Nov 25 20:00:19 <SpeedEvil> Thought tickless kernel - a tiny improvement - may have been implemented, I'm unsure.
Nov 25 20:02:18 <Psi> ok, thanks for the info SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer2, i have to go or i'll miss the bus
Nov 25 20:02:23 <SpeedEvil> (I assume it's a tiny improvement, unmeasured)
Nov 25 20:02:45 <SpeedEvil> wave.
Nov 25 20:02:54 <Dave> o/
Nov 25 20:03:47 <AntonTakk> SpeedEvil: it seems to me the tickless kernel was considered a rather large power consumption improvement when it was first introduced in fedora, of corse a desktop and the fr have little in common
Nov 25 20:04:06 <AntonTakk> power consumption wise
Nov 25 20:05:09 <SpeedEvil> 'considered' or measured?
Nov 25 20:05:31 <AntonTakk> both, iirc
Nov 25 20:05:50 <opentrinity> hi i have a problem with headset...i don't hear nothing..
Nov 25 20:06:09 <SpeedEvil> Unless the CPU is slowed down or slept deeply, there is a hell of a lot of power going in that direction.
Nov 25 20:06:37 <SpeedEvil> AntonTakk: going from 5% CPU used in ticks to 0.1% may well not be a very large improvement.
Nov 25 20:06:37 <opentrinity> how i can restore default alsa configuration?
Nov 25 20:07:19 <SpeedEvil> opentrinity: what software?
Nov 25 20:07:37 <opentrinity> 2008.9
Nov 25 20:07:46 <opentrinity> dialer..
Nov 25 20:09:07 <opentrinity> mplare works...but when i use gsm i don't hear nothing...mic is broken...? 
Nov 25 20:09:12 <AntonTakk> SpeedEvil: seems i may not remember properly - liiks like on a xeon server the diference was five watts under load, and one watt at idle
Nov 25 20:10:02 <opentrinity> SpeedEvil, untill this morning all warks great :-/
Nov 25 20:10:22 <SpeedEvil> AntonTakk: The xeon probably had the right drivers to put the CPU into a really low power mode. 
Nov 25 20:10:46 <SpeedEvil> AntonTakk: to get the SC* CPU into a really low power mode, you need to turn down the clocks.
Nov 25 20:10:53 <rustybox> expecting any major releases soon?
Nov 25 20:13:50 <AntonTakk> SpeedEvil: if the phone is idle, or asleep, why not turn the clock all the way down? how much cpu time is really needed to watch for a wakeup event?
Nov 25 20:14:02 <SpeedEvil> AntonTakk: be our guest!
Nov 25 20:14:11 * SpeedEvil passes AntonTakk the source and the datasheets.
Nov 25 20:14:25 <SpeedEvil> cesarb got half way through that and got stalled by RL issues.
Nov 25 20:14:35 <AntonTakk> RL?
Nov 25 20:14:41 <SpeedEvil> Real Life.
Nov 25 20:14:45 <AntonTakk> ah
Nov 25 20:15:11 <AntonTakk> honestly, i'm the last person you'd want writing kernel code  :)
Nov 25 20:17:48 <AntonTakk> i'd be happy if i could figure out why the efl gui for my app won't display and while the whole thing won't compile on the fr
Nov 25 20:18:43 <rustybox> is there a way one can switch the default theme in OM2008.x to the illume theme in SHR?
Nov 25 20:19:57 <caotic> anybody had a problem passing the  uboot in a 3430 ldp using kermit ??
Nov 25 20:22:22 <rustybox> sweet, totally got my rollup usb keyboard to work with the FR. 
Nov 25 20:23:26 <Dave> cool :D!
Nov 25 20:25:24 <dent> abend
Nov 25 20:25:24 <dent> is GPS supposed to work in SHR testing?
Nov 25 20:25:25 <dent> I used to have GPS working well, but now I can't get a fix... and as I'm a GPS/* nooob, I'm lost
Nov 25 20:26:01 <dent> so I wonder if maybe something "below" died/got broken...
Nov 25 20:26:34 <dent> I sed up openmoko-agpsgui... I see some bars in the signal strength tab... bute some of them, but still it says no fix
Nov 25 20:26:39 <dent> s/sed/set/
Nov 25 20:26:39 <apt> dent meant: I set up openmoko-agpsgui... I see some bars in the signal strength tab... bute some of them, but still it says no fix
Nov 25 20:26:42 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 20:26:47 <dent> wow to apt :)
Nov 25 20:26:54 <Tig|> dent: well it was working the other day in tangogps :)
Nov 25 20:27:14 <Tig|> hang on I will take it to the window and test the new image I just reflashed
Nov 25 20:27:25 <dent> it didn't work in tango, so that's why I set on to install agpsgui as I thoguht it might tell me what's wrong
Nov 25 20:27:33 <dent> Tig|: thx
Nov 25 20:28:22 <Tig|> dent: usual stuff :  are you pointing it upwards,  are you indoors
Nov 25 20:28:44 <dent> I tried outdoors, I gave up on getting a fix indoors :)
Nov 25 20:28:55 <Tig|> remember it will take time to get its first fix
Nov 25 20:29:03 <dent> yeah, but it was like > 5 mins
Nov 25 20:29:15 <dent> thing is that I got it working back in summer
Nov 25 20:29:50 <dent> agpsgui says somting like hmm... many basr showing ~ 150dbm and some reach up to 130
Nov 25 20:29:56 <dent> is tat too little, or...?
Nov 25 20:30:00 <Tig|> can anyone confirm if we are storing the almanac data yet?  I know it didn't before but I heard rumours that we might be able to 
Nov 25 20:31:01 <rustybox> newbie to 64bit question: if you can't find a 32bit deb for a program, can you use the source to compile it for 64bit? 
Nov 25 20:31:40 <rustybox> oops, wrong channel
Nov 25 20:32:20 <dent> rustybox: if the program is well written and it's not some obscure thing needing special "magic" (qemu), then it should just work...
Nov 25 20:32:39 <rustybox> dent, thanks
Nov 25 20:32:44 <dent> if the Q was about getting a 64binary from a source of something you see compiled in 32bit only...
Nov 25 20:37:07 <Tig|> memo to self if leaving FR by the window to connect to gps turn off suspend first
Nov 25 20:37:29 <Tig|> in other news happy to report suspend resume works on the latest SHR image :)
Nov 25 20:38:32 <badcloud> yay
Nov 25 20:39:29 <badcloud> can't wait for gta03, worse than stopping midstream
Nov 25 20:40:37 <dent> latest SHR is nice
Nov 25 20:40:51 <slaxxin> shr yet?y
Nov 25 20:40:57 <dent> my old phone finally kicked the bucket, so I'm stuck with FR as my only phone :)
Nov 25 20:41:09 <dent> and except for occasional hiccups, it's ok
Nov 25 20:41:40 <Tig|> dent:  I am very impressed with SHR :)  I am temped to move my main sim over to it
Nov 25 20:41:46 <toggles_w> dent: it'll be much better when Dave finished the android keyboard
Nov 25 20:41:57 <dent> and when the console flashes by on boot/resume, popele's eye usually pop out :))
Nov 25 20:42:04 <_Bill_> hmh.. the fso ms4.1 looks nice
Nov 25 20:42:09 <Tig|> heh 
Nov 25 20:42:10 <_Bill_> a bit slow but that's ok..
Nov 25 20:42:27 <_Bill_> if only i could get the gsmbuzz removed
Nov 25 20:42:36 <dent> toggles_w: android KB? should I look forward? I already like the SHR keyboard :)
Nov 25 20:42:53 <toggles_w> dent: first name arthur?
Nov 25 20:43:03 * Tm_T slaps toggles_w 
Nov 25 20:43:13 <toggles_w> ouch
Nov 25 20:43:22 <dent> toggles_w: not really :-P
Nov 25 20:43:36 <dent> I'd have prefered the nic "zub", but it's occupied here on freenode, sigh
Nov 25 20:43:43 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 20:43:54 <toggles_w> Dave: get back to work, finish that keyboard
Nov 25 20:45:11 <Dave> Yessum.
Nov 25 20:46:10 <toggles_w> _Bill_: do you have a link to the 4.1 info?
Nov 25 20:46:46 <_Bill_> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/
Nov 25 20:46:53 <toggles_w> _Bill_: thanks
Nov 25 20:47:02 <_Bill_> download, readme and stuff
Nov 25 20:47:12 <_Bill_> and link to status update
Nov 25 20:47:24 <tuxi> is there any 8gb sd card which works with uboot?
Nov 25 20:47:32 <_Bill_> but yeah.. damn contaminated mic path
Nov 25 20:56:47 <AntonTakk> fso is doing stable point releases now? or is this a special case?
Nov 25 20:56:59 <_Bill_> seems stable
Nov 25 20:57:18 <toggles_w> i think it was with all the mp3 stuff ripped out
Nov 25 20:57:36 <Wonka> tuxi: there is, i got one.
Nov 25 20:57:58 <tuxi> could you tell me the serial number
Nov 25 20:58:59 <AntonTakk> looks like several fixes new over ms4
Nov 25 20:59:34 <AntonTakk> i may have to look at it and see if i can make zhone work, might use it as my daily phone for a while if i can
Nov 25 20:59:40 <Tig|> dent: you still about
Nov 25 20:59:47 <dent> Tig|: yup
Nov 25 20:59:55 <tuxi> Wonka: ?
Nov 25 21:00:12 <_Bill_> hmh.. then again..
Nov 25 21:00:15 <Wonka> tuxi: i replied to your question about 8gb sd cards :)
Nov 25 21:00:22 <_Bill_> suspended and doesn't wake up
Nov 25 21:00:43 <tuxi> yeha well i saw, and i asked if you could tell me the producer and id of the card
Nov 25 21:00:47 <Tig|> dent :  Ainulindale over on the dev channel has mentioned a bug in todays shr image about GPS but it is simple to fix
Nov 25 21:01:12 <Tig|> he says:    opkg remove --force-depends gpsd; opkg install fso-gpsd
Nov 25 21:01:25 <Wonka> tuxi: aah. i cannot look onto it right now because i'd have to shutdown the FR for that.
Nov 25 21:01:31 <Tig|> all hail Ainulindale SHR God :) 
Nov 25 21:01:41 <tuxi> k, could you add it to wiki please
Nov 25 21:02:01 <dent> Tig|: I'm on the dev channell too, I just found that.. thanks for letting me know :)
Nov 25 21:02:39 <Tig|> ah,  no worries :)  I thought it was odd that I had not had a fix as it only took a couple of mins last time
Nov 25 21:03:01 <dent> I'll try and play with GPS on my way back from work...
Nov 25 21:03:22 <dent> working GPS is worth the frozen hands :))
Nov 25 21:03:56 <Wonka> mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address d555
Nov 25 21:03:57 <Wonka> mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SU08G 7977472KiB 
Nov 25 21:04:15 <Wonka> tuxi: hm, that doesn't help much, does it?
Nov 25 21:04:24 <Tig|> dent: just to make absolutely sure I would reboot after you do the change :)  
Nov 25 21:04:42 <dent> ok
Nov 25 21:04:49 <tuxi> not that much, from which manufactur is it?
Nov 25 21:05:00 <Wonka> tuxi: must be some sandisk, because that's printed on the included usb reader... and it's a class 4 microsdhc
Nov 25 21:05:15 <Tig|> not a scientific test but a lot of errors vanished after I rebooted after the first flash
Nov 25 21:05:37 <Tig|> mind you I also added a SIM too :) 
Nov 25 21:07:49 <quatrox> Wonka: sorry to interrupt you, but how well does your card work?
Nov 25 21:08:22 <quatrox> Wonka: did you test reading/writing to the whole card?
Nov 25 21:08:23 <Wonka> quatrox: i don't know of any problems at the moment
Nov 25 21:08:49 <quatrox> hmm
Nov 25 21:08:57 <tuxi> have you booted an os from the sd card?
Nov 25 21:09:30 <quatrox> tuxi: I only use sd cards:)
Nov 25 21:09:50 <tuxi> well great, but complete name would be even better
Nov 25 21:09:52 <tuxi> ;-D
Nov 25 21:10:16 <quatrox> Wonka: did you notice any crc error messages during init (3-4 lines just before mounting /)?
Nov 25 21:10:19 <Wonka> quatrox: i have partitioned it into 100MB /boot, about 1.6GB /, about 250MB swap, and the rest is /media/card; the latter is used for tangogps map image storage and stuff... 2.3 GB are in use there, and i don't remember any problems with that
Nov 25 21:10:25 <Wonka> quatrox: yes
Nov 25 21:10:41 <quatrox> great:)
Nov 25 21:10:45 <Wonka> Waiting 5sec before mounting root device...
Nov 25 21:10:45 <Wonka> CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
Nov 25 21:10:45 <Wonka> CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
Nov 25 21:10:45 <Wonka> CRCFAIL 0x1a3f
Nov 25 21:11:00 <lindi-> i think everyone gets that
Nov 25 21:11:16 <lindi-> swap? i hope you don't need that :)
Nov 25 21:11:24 <Wonka> i do too
Nov 25 21:11:49 <Wonka> but better have it than die on OOM
Nov 25 21:12:06 <tuxi> http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-MicroSDHC-Ultra-original-Handelsverpackung/dp/B0019O351C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1227647236&sr=1-3
Nov 25 21:12:19 <Wonka> things will get slow then, but i can kill stuff via terminal
Nov 25 21:12:24 <tuxi> only scandisc sdhc 8gb card with usb reader
Nov 25 21:12:49 <Wonka> tuxi: exactly that kind of reader
Nov 25 21:13:44 <quatrox> tuxi: I thought it might be worth mentioning: I have to GTA02 here. One can boot with sdhc, the other can not
Nov 25 21:14:02 <quatrox> tuxi: all the software is identical on both
Nov 25 21:14:19 <quatrox> tuxi: so I guess you just need to try
Nov 25 21:14:41 <Wonka> tuxi: but the number inside the circle seems to be a 6 to me, not a 4; so it's another model.
Nov 25 21:14:41 <quatrox> tuxi: but some cards work better than other
Nov 25 21:15:21 <Wonka> tuxi: also, i got an adapter to SD format which is not included in that offer
Nov 25 21:15:47 <Wonka> tuxi: it was in the same blister package originally from sandisk
Nov 25 21:16:19 <tuxi> well i think i have just to try
Nov 25 21:18:20 <Wonka> oh my... so many "hidden" germans here...
Nov 25 21:18:52 <quatrox> the German underground is huge
Nov 25 21:18:55 <Wonka> *g*
Nov 25 21:19:02 <ronny> so ist es!
Nov 25 21:19:03 <tuxi> a german can't hide, perhaps we can but only until we order the first beer
Nov 25 21:19:28 <Wonka> those *.de hostmask reveal some
Nov 25 21:19:38 * ronny ducks
Nov 25 21:19:46 <Wonka> and those *.de URLs some more
Nov 25 21:20:00 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: around?
Nov 25 21:20:02 <Wonka> beer wouldn't reveal me, because i don't like the stuff
Nov 25 21:20:16 <Ainulindale> jonkristian: Yes, saw your ticket, can't do a thing about that
Nov 25 21:20:40 <quatrox> Wonka: then at least your IP addr might give a hint:P
Nov 25 21:20:42 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 21:20:47 <jonkristian> Ainulindale: hah, just posted it, anyways i noticed that it was under your nick.
Nov 25 21:21:00 <Ainulindale> Yep
Nov 25 21:21:15 <jonkristian> Ok, just thought i'd let you know, in case something was wrong with trac or whatever.
Nov 25 21:21:19 <Dave> YES
Nov 25 21:21:23 <Dave> gogogo
Nov 25 21:21:24 <jonkristian> DAVE!
Nov 25 21:21:27 <jonkristian> Dirty Dave
Nov 25 21:21:32 <Dave> ja?
Nov 25 21:21:36 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 25 21:21:37 <tuxi> so it would be the 'a schweinshaxn bitte'
Nov 25 21:22:05 <dent> lol :)
Nov 25 21:22:13 <jonkristian> Man i wish i could build shr, those damn patches arent working for me:/
Nov 25 21:22:17 <Wonka> quatrox: i have a cloak, afair
Nov 25 21:22:37 <dent> jonkristian: I choked on in yesterday too
Nov 25 21:22:47 <Wonka> quatrox: stuff like "@wikipedia/$nick"... those you cannot find too easily
Nov 25 21:22:53 <jonkristian> dent: hm, ill try again
Nov 25 21:23:13 <Wonka> tuxi: "haxn"? ich bin doch kein bazi!
Nov 25 21:23:29 <dent> hm, was heisst "bazi"?
Nov 25 21:23:35 <tuxi> bayer...
Nov 25 21:23:40 <dent> aha :)
Nov 25 21:23:43 <dent> yuck anyway
Nov 25 21:24:02 <quatrox> Wonka: I didn't even check:P
Nov 25 21:25:51 <Wonka> dent: another one revealed :p
Nov 25 21:25:58 <jonkristian> dent: did you get it working then?
Nov 25 21:26:14 <dent> Wonka: me? nope. :-P I'm from the savage CZ :)
Nov 25 21:26:28 <dent> jonkristian: I gave up :-/ some patches applied, some choked
Nov 25 21:26:40 <Wonka> dent: hrm, why do you speak german then? ;)
Nov 25 21:26:42 <dent> I guess bothering ppl in #openmoko-cdevel would have yielded some results
Nov 25 21:26:50 <jonkristian> dent: I've tried, hehe
Nov 25 21:26:53 <Wonka> i know many hungarians learn german... but czechs?
Nov 25 21:27:05 <dent> Wonka: I used to suffer throught some german classes back at the hight school :)
Nov 25 21:27:36 <dent> nah, here also german is among the commonly studied languages... like second after english
Nov 25 21:27:49 <jonkristian> dent: like this? http://rafb.net/p/CBMjE857.html
Nov 25 21:28:19 <Wonka> dent: mh... i learned english and latin at school.
Nov 25 21:28:20 <quatrox> Wonka: everybody knows a little german
Nov 25 21:28:37 <jonkristian> Ja!
Nov 25 21:28:38 <dent> Wonka: anyway I have to say that we taught our highschool gemrna teacher more english (she didn't know english in the beginning) than she taught us german... and it's not her fault :)
Nov 25 21:29:15 <Wonka> jonkristian: Jawohl!
Nov 25 21:29:26 <Wonka> dent: lol
Nov 25 21:29:27 <dent> jonkristian: hm, I thought I got less errors, i.e. some patches actually applied, but what do I know
Nov 25 21:29:42 <Wonka> quatrox: Rucksack! Kindergarten! Schadenfreude!
Nov 25 21:29:50 <Wonka> quatrox: Gesundheit too...
Nov 25 21:29:53 <dent> Wonka: shame on me, I had no latin, but yup, latin is also quite common
Nov 25 21:29:58 <jonkristian> Die Maüer
Nov 25 21:30:00 <tuxi> so i go to sleep, ... n8
Nov 25 21:30:06 <dent> Wonka: sauerkraut! :)
Nov 25 21:30:11 <Wonka> jonkristian: without umlauts. "Mauer".
Nov 25 21:30:15 <jonkristian> Ah
Nov 25 21:30:30 <jonkristian> Wonka: überfantasich
Nov 25 21:30:31 <dent> eigenvalue and eigenvector...
Nov 25 21:30:48 <quatrox> Wonka: I was forced to learn a little German because I used to have german software some time ago
Nov 25 21:30:55 <Wonka> http://countyoursheep.com/comics/20081113a.png
Nov 25 21:31:13 <Wonka> dent: aaargh, maths!
Nov 25 21:31:50 <Wonka> jonkristian: i'd stuff another t in there. "fantastisch".
Nov 25 21:32:02 <dent> Wonka: and I recently discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwitterion - also german-originated term
Nov 25 21:32:17 <jonkristian> Wonka: yeah, that was just a regular typo:)
Nov 25 21:32:54 * dent is off to test GPS on SRH :)
Nov 25 21:32:58 <Wonka> dent: hf
Nov 25 21:32:59 <dent> ehm, SHR
Nov 25 21:33:21 * Wonka tries to build some stable-tracking kernel...
Nov 25 21:33:47 <dent> well, my hands will freeze off... but that's the price of progress :))
Nov 25 21:41:45 <rooly1> is there any  benefit to upgrading from the OM repo's while using qte
Nov 25 22:03:36 <Dave> It's the Virus!
Nov 25 22:03:58 <CVirus> indeed
Nov 25 22:04:46 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 22:04:47 <jonkristian> ping
Nov 25 22:04:47 <jonkristian> ping
Nov 25 22:04:47 <jonkristian> durn
Nov 25 22:04:54 <spydon> pong
Nov 25 22:28:11 <dent> padron me for living under a rock...
Nov 25 22:28:21 <dent> but I noticed there's some WSOD fuss
Nov 25 22:28:35 <dent> what's that about? (asking as I just received somehting that might be that WSOD)
Nov 25 22:36:35 <dent> ok, I found a sentence on the wiki :)
Nov 25 22:51:02 <mib_uim1hl> hey anyone have androidfs.jffs2 or know where I can donwload
Nov 25 22:54:27 <mib_uim1hl> hello
Nov 25 22:56:05 <jonkristian> arh, these patching errors are not fun:/
Nov 25 22:57:04 <newbee> hello
Nov 25 22:58:16 <zash> fun://
Nov 25 22:59:01 <Dave> yep
Nov 25 22:59:02 <newbee> does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out
Nov 25 23:01:13 <newbee> :
Nov 25 23:01:41 <newbee> ?
Nov 25 23:02:52 <newbee> does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out 
Nov 25 23:04:08 <newbee> hi
Nov 25 23:04:21 <jonkristian> does anyone know were i could get androidfs.jffs2 I would like to try it out
Nov 25 23:05:19 <jonkristian> newbee: ask Dr.Dave, he knows.
Nov 25 23:05:36 <newbee> thatks
Nov 25 23:05:39 <tef> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3
Nov 25 23:05:54 <newbee> no file has been removed
Nov 25 23:06:35 <jonkristian> then it's there
Nov 25 23:06:45 <jonkristian> o_O
Nov 25 23:06:50 <tef> :s
Nov 25 23:08:05 <newbee> I don't see DR.Dave
Nov 25 23:08:48 <jonkristian> DAVE!!!
Nov 25 23:09:02 <Wonka> hrmf. which kernel tree branch is supposed to be runnable?
Nov 25 23:09:23 <Wonka> stable-tracking doesn't boot here every time i try...
Nov 25 23:09:37 <jonkristian> Wonka: branch, i don't know, but there's a new image in shr out today.
Nov 25 23:09:58 <jonkristian> newbee: im just pulling your leg, i don't know if dave knows.
Nov 25 23:10:53 <Wonka> what i am looking for is a) ttySAC1 not eating characters and b) printk with timestamps.
Nov 25 23:12:04 <jonkristian> Wonka: did you file a report?
Nov 25 23:12:33 <Wonka> jonkristian: no, up to now i only complained here :)
Nov 25 23:12:43 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 25 23:13:10 <newbee> any one have any ideal were I could download androidfs.jffs2
Nov 25 23:13:31 <jonkristian> newbee: dude
Nov 25 23:13:54 <newbee> jonkristian: yes
Nov 25 23:13:56 <jonkristian> repeating doesn't really help
Nov 25 23:14:20 <Wonka> hm, should i be able to upgrade from FSO MS3 to SHR by changing /etc/opkg/* and using opkg?
Nov 25 23:14:29 <jonkristian> hm
Nov 25 23:14:49 <newbee> jonkristian: I was just asking others
Nov 25 23:14:50 <tef> newbee,  wait  10 min, upload in progress
Nov 25 23:15:06 <newbee> tef: thanks
Nov 25 23:16:39 <tef> newbee, but actually no virtual keyboard with android
Nov 25 23:17:13 <zash> does android work with an external keyboard
Nov 25 23:17:15 <Dave> :)
Nov 25 23:17:37 <Dave> How is everyone doing?
Nov 25 23:18:08 <zash> my freezer sounds weird
Nov 25 23:18:53 <Tig|> I wish I could work out why shr does not work with an external keyboard
Nov 25 23:20:47 <zash> is there any programs wich lets you use a computer as bluetooth keyboard?
Nov 25 23:21:03 <Tig|> events are generated in dev input 5 etc but must be an x thing,  but not had time to investigate more
Nov 25 23:21:09 <newbee> tef: I know but need file to try
Nov 25 23:21:26 <Tig|> zash: yes remoko does it well
Nov 25 23:22:14 <Tig|> ah sorry there is data on the bluetooth page on the wiki
Nov 25 23:23:09 <tef> newbee,  ok. 5 min
Nov 25 23:23:44 <newbee> tef: ok 
Nov 25 23:25:18 <newbee> tef: glad you are sharing I looked al over net for file
Nov 25 23:27:48 <tef> newbee, np. http://temp.cyberground.org/
Nov 25 23:28:17 <newbee> tef: Thanks
Nov 25 23:29:23 <newbee> thanks all talk later
Nov 25 23:33:55 <Wonka> hrm, still rxerrs...
Nov 25 23:33:56 <Wonka> Nov 26 00:27:42 localhost vmunix: rxerr: port ch=0xf1, rxs=0x00000001
Nov 25 23:33:56 <Wonka> Nov 26 00:28:03 localhost vmunix: rxerr: port ch=0xb5, rxs=0x00000001
Nov 25 23:34:07 <Wonka> with that SHR kernel from yesterday
Nov 25 23:40:42 <jonkristian> hm
Nov 25 23:52:56 <jonkristian-fr> cool
Nov 25 23:53:36 <Dave> :D
Nov 25 23:53:41 <jonkristian> :D
Nov 25 23:54:04 <Dave> jonkristians!
Nov 25 23:54:24 <jonkristian-fr> yaay
Nov 25 23:55:04 <jonkristian-fr> irssi port would be bettar than pidgin tho 
Nov 25 23:55:14 <jonkristian> indeed
Nov 26 00:04:17 <jonkristian> kip!
Nov 26 00:15:03 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * rab8245ad43e3 10framework/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: tests: start with org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.*
Nov 26 00:15:13 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6b6064be9ffa 10/tests/org.freesmartphone.GSM.py: Merge commit 'origin/stabilization/milestone4'
Nov 26 00:29:02 <Sargun> Why isn't my battery charging:
Nov 26 00:29:04 <Sargun> debian-gta02:~# cat  /sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status
Nov 26 00:29:04 <Sargun> Not charging
Nov 26 00:29:04 <Sargun> debian-gta02:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgstate
Nov 26 00:29:04 <Sargun> usb_present 
Nov 26 00:37:32 <Dave> it doesn't like you?
Nov 26 00:37:35 <Dave> plug it in twice
Nov 26 00:37:44 <Dave> I've had all the usb power issues, plus more :D
Nov 26 00:37:54 <Dave> (though, granted, apparently I created some of them myself) :p
Nov 26 00:44:52 <Dave> Ainu :)
Nov 26 01:50:44 <slaxxin> phone just gives up
Nov 26 01:52:52 <slaxxin> im giving thanks in advance
Nov 26 01:53:04 <slaxxin>     THANK YALL
Nov 26 01:56:27 <netx> any current stability problems i should know about before doing an update on 2008.9?
Nov 26 01:58:24 <Wonka> where would i report bugs against zhone?
Nov 26 02:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> morning
Nov 26 02:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> Sargun: maybe battery is full?
Nov 26 02:03:13 <Sargun> DocScrutinizer, no, charge limit
Nov 26 02:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> err, what's charge limit?
Nov 26 02:04:30 <slaxxin> timer?
Nov 26 02:05:29 <DocScrutinizer> need more coffee, don't get you
Nov 26 02:11:47 <Dave> http://www.motivationals.org/img/a/1198119245225.jpg
Nov 26 02:22:50 <slaxxin> yikes
Nov 26 02:23:44 <slaxxin> WHERE IS IT
Nov 26 02:32:11 <slaxxin> 2008.11
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