**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 28 02:59:57 2008 Nov 28 03:01:17 tried fdom? Nov 28 03:12:53 anybody in here flashed their GSM fw? Nov 28 03:48:51 Nov 28 03:49:48 did you have SIM card inserted whilst flashing? Nov 28 03:50:16 not that it matters now, as mine is happily flashing away with SIM present Nov 28 03:52:36 :) Nov 28 03:52:44 Sicu, you talking about Qi? Nov 28 03:53:21 Dave: not this time Nov 28 03:53:29 flashing calypso Nov 28 03:53:52 moko10 gsm fw Nov 28 03:54:09 trying to get a 3G SIM going Nov 28 03:55:03 :D Nov 28 03:55:05 yay Nov 28 03:55:17 yeah, fucking #1024 :p Nov 28 03:57:45 =D Nov 28 04:04:48 sicu: #openmoko-cdevel Nov 28 04:26:18 i need a beer Nov 28 04:26:52 no, you need a speech. :) Nov 28 04:27:26 Hey Mwester, you around? Nov 28 04:31:17 sigh, flashing takes forever Nov 28 04:32:26 what is the policy of wiki articles in om.org related to non-official distributions? Nov 28 04:37:43 anubody tried hackable1 yet? Nov 28 04:38:01 u dont have to flash Nov 28 04:38:15 5 min. Nov 28 04:38:57 btw ..ITS A WIKI Nov 28 04:42:40 mm gesd is eating battery Nov 28 04:53:27 on fdom? Nov 28 04:54:46 yes Nov 28 05:02:53 anyone tested osip yet ? Nov 28 05:05:01 ok my phone is completely fucked Nov 28 05:05:17 time to start from scratch Nov 28 05:06:18 I know the feeling Nov 28 05:54:39 but i'm getting some good ideas Nov 28 06:10:46 Hello. I have a couple of questions concerning the phone Nov 28 06:11:03 I wanted to know if the phone could be recommended for everyday joes like myself Nov 28 06:11:28 not a techie nor a guy with an engineering degree but am interested in owning a phone for the features and giving some excercise to using bash Nov 28 06:17:41 sorry same guy with the question just under different name Nov 28 09:01:55 good morning Nov 28 09:02:27 G'morning Nov 28 09:04:11 wassup Nov 28 09:12:41 openmoko: 03tick * r2a4c63c26baf 10/devices/ficgta01/src/plugins/phonevendors/ficgta01/vendor_ficgta01.cpp: remove unnecessary setting of default value. Nov 28 09:16:19 openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * re34bc453af8e 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Qtopia: Bump up version. Nov 28 10:42:05 moin Nov 28 10:52:09 Hello there. Nov 28 10:52:33 Just one question. Does openmoko support umts hdsdpa sim cards now ? Nov 28 10:52:57 guess yes, cos i use such sim Nov 28 10:53:38 great Nov 28 10:53:58 I love our national op for mobile :D Nov 28 10:54:15 but problem with SD card ))) Nov 28 10:54:33 for 4eur I have free cals in it's network, and from 1.12. I can transfer 50mb with hsdpa :P Nov 28 10:54:44 Inc_Vega: SD ? Nov 28 10:54:48 yes Nov 28 10:54:54 what is SD Nov 28 10:55:00 normal cards ? Nov 28 10:55:01 2Gb Transend Nov 28 10:55:01 microSD cards Nov 28 10:55:06 micro SD Nov 28 10:55:06 Inc_Vega: oh Nov 28 10:55:10 right :) Nov 28 10:55:32 If I'm aware om has 2.0 usb port ? Nov 28 10:55:34 Inc_Vega : do u try decrease clock speed of glamo-mci? Nov 28 10:55:41 yes Nov 28 10:55:41 so I could plug in external 3.5 hard drive ? Nov 28 10:55:53 frojnd: USB 1.1 Nov 28 10:55:59 anyway still probmel wiht I/O Nov 28 10:55:59 hm Nov 28 10:56:11 Inc_Vega: will gta03 have 2.0 ? Nov 28 10:56:19 or why does it have 1.0, is 2.0 closed ? Nov 28 10:56:26 1.1 * Nov 28 10:56:57 Inc_Vega : is suspend disabled? Nov 28 10:56:58 frojnd: 2.0 provides more power (which is bad for the fr) and usually the usb2.0 speed is not needed in a mobile device... Nov 28 10:57:18 frojnd: and 1.1 is cheaper i guess... Nov 28 10:57:41 glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 changed Nov 28 10:58:02 but 0 result :( Nov 28 10:58:10 frojnd: see http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers Nov 28 10:58:59 Inc_Vega : kernel? Nov 28 10:59:19 last for QT Nov 28 10:59:59 uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin Nov 28 11:00:00 do u saw this https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 ? Nov 28 11:01:32 who can use new image 10 for GSM modem ? Nov 28 11:01:45 i use Nov 28 11:02:27 which status regardin modem ? Nov 28 11:02:42 \regarding Nov 28 11:02:56 it works :) Nov 28 11:02:59 ))) Nov 28 11:03:00 nice Nov 28 11:03:10 perfect )))) Nov 28 11:04:03 Right now I have moko8, Just I need to update or still wait stable ? Nov 28 11:04:26 if u have problem with gsm, maybe u should Nov 28 11:05:51 So according emails all people have problem (noice echo ... every time reconnect .. after send SMS gsm down ... ) Nov 28 11:09:41 Who can help me, How many problems fixed in moko10 ? Nov 28 11:10:12 The 3G simcard issue should be fixed. Nov 28 11:10:40 the echo is software/mode update.. Nov 28 11:10:54 what about echo,reconnect,noice ? Nov 28 11:11:00 the register bouncing is in the air.. not due for the moko10 AFAIK Nov 28 11:11:36 \noise Nov 28 11:12:46 So, if I have moko8 is it ok ? Nov 28 11:13:06 only 3G sim issue was fixed ? Nov 28 11:13:10 The echo should be fixed using the echo filtering on the calypso, the noise should be fixed with the volume levels Nov 28 11:13:22 they are important bugs Nov 28 11:14:39 how works on it is going? Nov 28 11:18:10 How to make working micro SD 2Gb from Transcend ? Nov 28 11:18:59 I recommend reading the docs or mailing lists Nov 28 11:18:59 when u get I/O errors? what u do> Nov 28 11:19:14 yes I have I/O issue Nov 28 11:19:54 update setenv bootargs glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=10000000 Nov 28 11:20:38 but I is't works. Nov 28 11:21:33 i mean what you do(read/write/mount) with SD when you get error Nov 28 11:22:36 I have problem during boot Freeruneer :) I/O ---- --- bla bla bla ) Nov 28 11:23:00 df -h can't see SD card Nov 28 11:23:07 only internal NAND Nov 28 11:23:16 booting from SD? Nov 28 11:23:30 no form NAND Nov 28 11:24:46 can u fdisk /dev/mmcblck? Nov 28 11:25:07 QT installed on NAND and many musik on SD (fat) I want to use freerunner like player (another feature is't works untill today IMHO) Nov 28 11:27:44 have to go Nov 28 11:27:47 later Nov 28 11:27:59 ) Nov 28 11:31:25 Inc_Vega: does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblck work? what does it say? Nov 28 11:32:27 Ok I will check it later ) Nov 28 12:20:53 hello Nov 28 12:20:58 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Seanmcneil3#Installation Nov 28 12:21:08 http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2 is a dead link Nov 28 12:22:05 where can i find androidfs.jffs2 ? Nov 28 12:22:48 oon: some people in here seem to have one. can't remember who though... Nov 28 12:23:40 ok thx, i'll ask again later if i don't find on google :p Nov 28 12:24:46 let me check here.. Nov 28 12:24:59 i'm just grepping my logs, perhaps there is a sensible url in there... Nov 28 12:25:35 ./#openmoko.20081117.log:19:20 < mokolade> fursund, http://rapidshare.com/files/164723347/androidfs-20081110.jffs2.html ;) Nov 28 12:25:36 it's not in Android's SDK.. Nov 28 12:25:56 ./#openmoko.20081125.log:13:34 < zerghase> http://141.84.121.143/androidfs.jffs2 Nov 28 12:26:00 ./#openmoko.20081125.log:13:38 < zerghase> http://www.die-informatiker.eu/zerghase/androidfs.jffs2 Nov 28 12:26:07 tell me if none of those work, i'll see if i have more Nov 28 12:28:30 henk: ok i'll try this, thanks :) Nov 28 12:35:44 How is android going? Nov 28 12:38:04 <|Marco|_> has anyone got the messager app on om2008.x to work propperly ? I have to reboot the moko every time I want to check for new mwssages, and I can't send as far as I've seen. Ringing is another deal.. Nov 28 12:55:09 Shlee: booting android and .. black screen for 2 min :p Nov 28 12:55:33 wellcome to openmoko ) Nov 28 12:55:45 :) Nov 28 12:55:46 is it normal Nov 28 12:59:10 Wellcome to the solder side (SOAD ) Nov 28 13:01:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r5e0ece806b7f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Nov 28 13:01:56 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: major refactoring of call handling into abstract callHandler. Nov 28 13:01:56 freesmartphone.org: WARNING: Work in progress -- this might destabilize callhandling for a while Nov 28 13:01:56 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r0d8946023f97 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/channel.py: Nov 28 13:01:58 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix a bug when using singleline channel Nov 28 13:02:00 freesmartphone.org: This patch add the methods `setIntermediateResponseCallback` and Nov 28 13:02:02 freesmartphone.org: `handleUnsolicitedResponse` into AbstractModemChannel. Nov 28 13:02:04 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r79418c6cc20f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/singleline/modem.py: ogsmd: use 'serial' conf parameter to find the serial line in single line modem Nov 28 13:02:07 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r485c3d5e3dcd 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: fix a bug : string.translate fails with unicode text Nov 28 13:25:04 is the beartech distro based on debian ? Nov 28 13:25:16 It's SHR Nov 28 13:25:18 And it's not based on debian Nov 28 13:25:36 (or were you talking of the Bearstech true distro?) Nov 28 13:26:02 the Bearstech true distro :) Nov 28 13:26:22 it's in testing phase isn't it ? Nov 28 13:26:27 No idea Nov 28 13:26:36 a while ago I've seen it mentioned on the ml Nov 28 13:27:04 a more general question. why almost no distro use a mature package system ad dpkg ? Nov 28 13:27:29 it's a resource problem ? Nov 28 13:28:22 munga: debian does use dpkg... hackable:1 is based on debian. Nov 28 13:30:01 never tried hackable ... for me the biggest problem to get serious about development on the FR is the lack of a solid package manager. Nov 28 13:30:31 I've been bitten quite often by opkg related problems in the past ... Nov 28 13:30:42 well, i guess opkg is still being improved like all software... Nov 28 13:31:11 to me it looked rather stable. not as stable as dpkg of course, but stable enough... Nov 28 13:31:13 yes indeed. I've also asked myself why the choose opkg instead of dpkg . Nov 28 13:31:24 dpkg suffers of two problems on embedded devices Nov 28 13:31:55 the first is that it need to download all packages at once Nov 28 13:32:15 well... I'm talking more of apt-get here Nov 28 13:32:15 dpkg? that doesn't download packages at all, does it? Nov 28 13:32:21 yes Nov 28 13:32:29 ah ok Nov 28 13:32:30 my bad :) Nov 28 13:32:47 apt-get needs to download all packages before starting the installation pahse Nov 28 13:33:16 and secondly it's pretty heavy on resources to resolve all conflicts/dependencies on the host machine Nov 28 13:33:37 I'm wondering if somebody has done a bit of work to solve these two problems Nov 28 13:33:47 probably those are the reasons to use a more lightweight manager on a phone... Nov 28 13:34:00 and try to adopt apt-get for embedded devices Nov 28 13:34:43 i doubt that will happen. at least under that name. Nov 28 13:35:16 uhmmm do you think these are the only two problems related to the adoption of apt-like tools ? Nov 28 13:36:52 i'm not sure. i'm not a developer and i only know the frontend side of apt, but i guess it has been optimized over time to suit desktop computers or servers (generally stuff with a little more processing power). Nov 28 13:37:08 optimized or bloated... whatever you want to call it. Nov 28 13:37:17 one of the biggest problem with opkg is the fact that it basically does no planning before installing a piece of sw, and if something goes bad you are screwed Nov 28 13:37:31 haven't experienced that yet... Nov 28 13:38:34 imagine you try to install a pkg A that dependes on B and C. opkg will download A, install A the try to install B and C . If the installation of C fails, you are doomed... Nov 28 13:42:29 munga: in how far 'doomed'? Nov 28 13:43:36 well, maybe I'm exaggerating, but you definitely live your system in a dirty state... Nov 28 13:44:22 what I'm saying that planning in advance to reduce the problem of failoure midway might make the package manager more stable ... Nov 28 13:44:46 well, opkg does not say too much about the state it is leaving the system in, like dpkg does sometimes ('package xy has not been configured yet' or such stuff), but that doesn't mean the system is in a dirty state necessarily. did you check? i didn't yet... Nov 28 13:44:55 fully ack! Nov 28 13:47:08 from the example above, A is installed, but is not going to work because a dependency was not statisfied . It's on your system nonetheless ... immagine that A was a replacement for dbus ... booooommm :) Nov 28 13:48:15 yes, i saw the problem. i just wasn't sure if opkg rolls the changes back when an error occurs and not telling about it. Nov 28 13:49:33 doing roll back is hard ! in particular if you have postinst scripts doing all kind of arbitrary manipulations. apt works well in debian because there is a forward planning phase to minimize these kind of problems... Nov 28 13:50:12 do .[io]pk have {post|pre}{inst|rm} scripts? Nov 28 13:50:32 uhmmm good question. I guess so :) Nov 28 13:51:39 yes they do... in fact, a .opk is basically a .deb file Nov 28 13:51:50 (try running "file" on one, then try opening it up with "ar x") Nov 28 13:52:04 oh, are they compatible with dpkg? Nov 28 13:52:15 no idea.. Nov 28 13:52:58 so basically opkg = dpkg + wget ? Nov 28 13:53:00 worth a try i guess Nov 28 13:53:39 munga: probably rather 'opkg = basic dpkg functions + wget' Nov 28 13:55:05 so, since the problem I was talking above are more related with the dependency planning + downloading, they might well be resolved as a wrapper to opkg ... Nov 28 13:56:26 while for apt/dpkg/debian in general there is a lot of doc regarding the package manager I failed to find anything regarding opkg ... can you give me any references ? Nov 28 13:56:30 your example just did not have much to do with that... not even dpkg can get the system in a clean state if the installation of one package fails... Nov 28 13:57:00 munga: try searching for ipkg. opkg is based on that, since ipkg is not being developed anymore. Nov 28 13:57:30 fair enough. The point is that with a bit of forward planning, you might be able to spot failoures before trying to install anything on the system Nov 28 13:58:10 true Nov 28 13:58:25 for _some_ errors at least. Nov 28 13:58:50 roll back would be the pandora box. Nov 28 13:59:12 the only desktop system with some kind of roll back facilities is nextos Nov 28 13:59:26 that use zfs snapshots to go back in time Nov 28 13:59:40 I don't think we're there yet on the FR :) Nov 28 14:00:58 henk: the difference between rpm and e.g. yast Nov 28 14:01:02 nextos? o_O never heard of that i think... Nov 28 14:01:10 DocScrutinizer2: hu? Nov 28 14:01:59 henk: (planing ahead to resolve deps) Nov 28 14:02:19 DocScrutinizer2: sorry, i have no idea what you are referring to... Nov 28 14:02:30 nevermind Nov 28 14:05:59 maybe it's not nextos ... something like that Nov 28 14:06:08 I can find the exact reference atm Nov 28 14:08:14 oh do you mean http://www.nexenta.org/os Nov 28 14:08:30 the opensolaris kernel / gnu userland hybrid Nov 28 14:08:57 Stop this spam http://public.smi.ethz.ch/survey/index.php?lang=en&sid=17555&token=r8zrbxtxk633rhw Nov 28 14:16:14 If the FSO 4.1 and the SHR stable enough to use as a phone? Nov 28 14:17:36 what is the license on illume? is that this one? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/COPYING?rev=37201 Nov 28 14:18:00 yes Nov 28 14:18:07 illume is part of e Nov 28 14:18:17 ah raster, nice you are online Nov 28 14:18:49 the dutch wordlist has to be published on either bsd or cc, does that fit inside e or should I package it in an opkg? Nov 28 14:19:16 bsd is fine Nov 28 14:19:18 as is cc Nov 28 14:19:28 a separate package is also fine Nov 28 14:19:29 :) Nov 28 14:19:54 ok Nov 28 14:19:56 snooz time! Nov 28 14:20:03 * raster puts his snooz-pants on Nov 28 14:21:12 Tig|: nexenta ! exactly :) Nov 28 14:24:21 so... it can be inside of e with bsd of cc license on it? Nov 28 14:24:28 of=or Nov 28 14:52:03 * Weiss has a scientific paper in german, and the Glamo docs to read... not sure which one to tackle first... Nov 28 14:52:53 Weiss: what topic in the german paper? Nov 28 14:53:26 henk: crystallography of tin oxide Nov 28 14:53:56 ok, i guess i'd read the glamo docs... are you german? Nov 28 14:54:19 no, but i'm almost fluent-ish (limited quite a lot by vocabulary) Nov 28 14:54:41 how come? Nov 28 14:55:49 i've done a lot of courses and visited quite a lot (plus i seem to have a bit of a knack with languages), but haven't been exposed to the language long enough to pick up a large enough section of the words Nov 28 14:57:08 when i'm there i can generally talk without stopping to think, but i have to fudge round words i don't know Nov 28 14:57:46 same for me with english... though it's probably a lot easier to get there with english, since half the web is english. Nov 28 15:02:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r54284f9a4673 10/framework/ (controller.py subsystem.py): (log message trimmed) Nov 28 15:02:56 freesmartphone.org: MAJOR BUGFIX: Nov 28 15:02:56 freesmartphone.org: Stop importing modules by full name, instead append the subsystem to sys.path, Nov 28 15:02:56 freesmartphone.org: by that we workaround modules getting imported twice, once as (e.g. Nov 28 15:02:57 freesmartphone.org: and Nov 28 15:02:59 freesmartphone.org: . Apparantly, if you are using __import__, you Nov 28 15:03:01 freesmartphone.org: bypass the usual Python module import checks that should prevent modules from Nov 28 15:03:53 FLOOD ALERT! Nov 28 15:04:57 has anyone got any idea why it takes the GPS stuff minutes to recover from a rxerr? Nov 28 15:08:05 hows shr an opkg upgrade working? Nov 28 15:17:19 lasest shr coming up Nov 28 15:19:46 slaxxin: if you upgrade Nov 28 15:19:48 Then rm -rf .e Nov 28 15:19:50 and restart X Nov 28 15:19:54 ok Nov 28 15:19:58 No need to reflash Nov 28 15:20:22 im falashin already Nov 28 15:20:34 :) Nov 28 15:21:09 Ok then Nov 28 15:21:17 thanks Nov 28 15:21:46 are u involved with the hackable1 project? Nov 28 15:27:14 slaxxin: no Nov 28 15:27:20 slaxxin: I'm the SHR lead Nov 28 15:27:31 ok Nov 28 15:27:50 great job Nov 28 15:28:23 Thanks Nov 28 15:34:46 nice shutdown menu Nov 28 15:37:17 Only shutdown works for now, I'm working on suspend Nov 28 16:01:33 hi all Nov 28 16:05:30 any news regarding Transend SD 2 Gb Nov 28 16:20:49 mickeyl, are you there? Nov 28 16:44:27 I see someone will attend OpenWorldForum http://www.openworldforum.org/ Nov 28 16:44:36 will there be runners to sell there ? ;) Nov 28 16:49:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r815794a2510b 10/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Nov 28 16:49:19 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Revamped callhandling. Refactored the state-based call handler Nov 28 16:49:19 freesmartphone.org: from TI Calypso (and Freescale Neptune) into a generic class that will Nov 28 16:49:19 freesmartphone.org: be used from all modem abstractions. Ported singleline to use the new Nov 28 16:49:19 freesmartphone.org: call handler. More tests needed for TI Calypso and Freescale Neptune. Nov 28 16:52:16 hmm, when will those changes arrive in debian? Nov 28 16:54:57 mmcinit output MMC/SD size: 503MiB but card SD Transend 2Gb Nov 28 16:55:30 who have same problem ? Nov 28 16:59:23 one question, the pocketsurfer2 has got an arm processor like a phone, or a x86 like a pc/laptop? Nov 28 17:01:15 and can it act like a phone? Nov 28 17:05:44 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * r6381ae17c772 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: sane-srcrevs.inc: update om-settings for #2097 Nov 28 17:06:48 oh, I've read it, it's a totally propietary thing using a IE proxy server for making the device work Nov 28 17:06:56 that's, DBD Nov 28 17:10:42 hi! Nov 28 17:10:47 hi Nov 28 17:10:48 hi Nov 28 17:11:02 is there some application that can be used as a "POI-store"? Nov 28 17:11:31 more precisely, a poi-store server? Nov 28 17:12:09 i.e. i'm thinking of some dbus interface where i can retrieve and store pois by name and also save some score/popularity/usage count for each poi to do some intelligent sorting Nov 28 17:13:10 there could also be another application that always stores the poi "last gps fix" Nov 28 17:13:34 or "position where connection to some specific bluetooth headset was lost" Nov 28 17:13:55 [17:49] I see someone will attend OpenWorldForum http://www.openworldforum.org/ Nov 28 17:13:56 [17:49] will there be runners to sell there ? ;) Nov 28 17:14:36 the former poi can be used as current position when there is no gps fix (i.e. in a building) and the user can then decide if that's accurate enough Nov 28 17:15:06 the latter can be used as "take me to where i parked my car"-feature when the mentioned bluetooth headset is always left in the car Nov 28 17:15:56 Inc_Vega: my 8GB microsdhc is shown as "3MiB", but u-boot still boots from it. Nov 28 17:26:22 ok but after boot I have problem wiht I/O Nov 28 17:26:49 openmoko: 03john_lee 07org.openmoko.dev * red1a714f36fc 10/packages/openmoko-projects/om-settings_svn.bb: om-settings: postinst script Nov 28 17:30:58 morphis: ping Nov 28 18:04:06 waar is Zorkman :\ Nov 28 18:32:03 good morning :D Nov 28 18:44:24 Hi, anyone from Ireland here? Nov 28 18:44:32 :) Nov 28 18:49:09 Dave :D Nov 28 18:52:34 anttna: I live in Dublin Nov 28 18:55:26 Hi I was checking out the wiki and there are no local groups from ireland. There is the group sales page, which is mentioned on the main local users group .I was thinking of making a local ie group but am unsure where to place it. Nov 28 18:55:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups Nov 28 19:01:19 someone recommended me a memory dumper...memdump2 or dumpmem2 or something like that does that ring a bell to anybody? Nov 28 19:10:18 i put in an ireland group http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups#Europe Nov 28 19:11:17 LostInspace: devmem2? Nov 28 19:12:11 pb_, ahh thanks Nov 28 19:12:37 well after some more fooling around (haven't had much time lately) Nov 28 19:12:47 still haven't gotten anywhere further lol Nov 28 19:13:08 i did notice a few weird things Nov 28 19:13:23 in /proc/bus/usb there is no device that should name the ohci for s3c2410 Nov 28 19:13:38 if i compile as a module and load it after boot..same errors occur! Nov 28 19:13:48 but if i rmmod the module....oh boy does the system ever crash! Nov 28 19:19:51 New SHR preview image out guys Nov 28 19:19:56 If you're interested Nov 28 19:20:02 :) Nov 28 19:20:15 With the new illume shutdown/suspend screen Nov 28 19:20:31 And in the next episode, fastboot & theme, yay Nov 28 19:21:43 Ainulindale, I'll check it out Nov 28 19:23:17 The menu is accessible by clicking the cross on the home screen Nov 28 19:23:24 I'll bind it to the power button asap Nov 28 19:27:59 pb_, oh and i tried booting mickey|away zImage unfortunetly after compressing and saying it's booting nothing else happens =( Nov 28 19:28:16 so either the kernel has no output set on serial cable = usb maybe?!?!? Nov 28 19:34:23 so Nov 28 19:48:28 pb_, you got 2 seconds? Nov 28 19:54:57 I copied the user names from the group sale page here I may have made errors in usernames. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Ireland Nov 28 20:05:10 pb__, you there? Nov 28 20:05:19 pb_, or here =P Nov 28 20:10:13 afaicr there was a voice recorder on om2008.8 I can't find it on the list of apps, can anyone plese help? Nov 28 20:51:32 grrr for some reason I only see mmcblk0 Nov 28 20:51:35 :o Nov 28 20:51:41 hey TAsn :D Nov 28 20:51:58 hey ;] Nov 28 20:51:59 sup? Nov 28 20:57:15 =D Nov 28 21:00:00 is the hardware design open ? Nov 28 21:00:28 zakia: somewhat Nov 28 21:00:45 zakia: there are schematics, but not in a form that would make it trivial to replicate. Nov 28 21:01:00 what form ? Nov 28 21:01:15 pdf schematics Nov 28 21:01:19 like you have to pay royalties ? Nov 28 21:01:44 ok pdf is fine I can deal with it Nov 28 21:01:56 I don't know what licence may have been given. Nov 28 21:01:58 zakia, like it's not an eagle cad direct to pcb =P Nov 28 21:02:12 zakia: practically, you are going to spend at least $1000 making the first copy. Nov 28 21:02:22 zakia: $2000 would not at all surprise. Nov 28 21:02:44 zakia: that's assuming you've got a full suite of test gear that you know how to work, and ready access to all the hard to find components. Nov 28 21:03:02 but from the schematic I can redraw manually the pcb Nov 28 21:03:28 Good luck with that. Nov 28 21:03:37 zakia, I haven't seen the schematic but i'm assuming alot of BGAs and smts close together Nov 28 21:03:41 guessing it's an 8 layer pcb Nov 28 21:03:44 more or less Nov 28 21:04:00 How many dense 6 layer PCBs with controlled impedance over parts have you done? Nov 28 21:04:08 and i'm guessing the BOM is pretty wacky to get for just 1 tester Nov 28 21:04:32 LostInspace: I imagine for some parts you'd pretty much need to end up desoldering and reballing Nov 28 21:04:37 LostInspace: the calypso forex Nov 28 21:04:41 SpeedEvil, lol Nov 28 21:04:48 hot air blower here you come zakia ! Nov 28 21:05:19 me i'd rather encourage the makers then try and clone it personaly Nov 28 21:05:32 that's ok I can handle that kind of stuff as long as there are no royalties Nov 28 21:05:55 zakia: A published copy of a PDF does not give you any rights to copy the design. Nov 28 21:07:11 i see it is not open stuff . Nov 28 21:07:24 open != free Nov 28 21:07:30 Hooray for intellectual property theft1 Nov 28 21:07:39 Ke :] Nov 28 21:07:49 zakia, i'm kinda confused at your way of seeing things Nov 28 21:07:51 like unix was open, not free Nov 28 21:08:13 plus what to you intend on making money off this? good luck! Nov 28 21:08:29 s/to/do/g Nov 28 21:08:29 LostInspace meant: plus what do you intend on making money off this? good luck! Nov 28 21:08:39 well thanks to RMS things may have changed a bit in some parts of the intellectual world Nov 28 21:08:49 Umm... Nov 28 21:08:57 apt, lol Nov 28 21:08:58 from memory, lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Nov 28 21:09:14 There is the intellectual world. Nov 28 21:09:24 And there is the world where IP actually costs money to develop. Nov 28 21:09:28 zakia, lets say we forget about copyrights and what not Nov 28 21:09:32 you intend to sell these? Nov 28 21:09:41 and make money off of em? Nov 28 21:09:43 hello Dave Nov 28 21:09:58 To profitably sell at price below FR, you're going to need to order several hundred at very least. Nov 28 21:10:09 Probably several thousand. Nov 28 21:10:19 to get a good rebates on parts from OEM or disties Nov 28 21:10:26