**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 02 02:59:57 2008
Dec 02 03:00:19 <jc> the temple of lost hope
Dec 02 03:01:09 <jc> yeah I'm really sleepy now and getting stupid ideas
Dec 02 03:01:14 <jc> I think I'll go to sleep :D
Dec 02 03:01:17 <jc> good night
Dec 02 03:04:33 <kd8ikt> some guy was tellin me in #openwrt how he has bricked lots of routers and i said "think you woulda learned your lesson the first time ;)
Dec 02 03:05:15 <kd8ikt> :D
Dec 02 03:40:26 <slaxxin> latest om
Dec 02 03:41:10 <slaxxin> updating my user experience;)
Dec 02 03:41:21 <frojnd> Hm.. it just occured to me. How hard would it be to make an utility that would convert voice into txt, so no hand typing sms, no hand chatting on msn... the program that would know your vioce and convert it to txt.
Dec 02 03:41:30 <frojnd> Does that kinda of program even exist on linux ?
Dec 02 03:41:35 <rooly> sure
Dec 02 03:41:53 <rooly> speech to text is rather common, and so is the other way around
Dec 02 03:42:16 <frojnd> rooly: I'd like to test it on the linux box
Dec 02 03:42:47 <rooly> i would think it wouldn't work all that well on an international phone
Dec 02 03:43:09 <frojnd> why not ?
Dec 02 03:43:17 <slaxxin> kmouth
Dec 02 03:43:20 <rooly> hundred of different languages to support...
Dec 02 03:43:28 <rooly> unless you decided to modularise it
Dec 02 03:43:55 <frojnd> rooly: true, but I'd like to help to work for my mother language..
Dec 02 03:43:58 <raster> frojnd: there is a reason that stuff doesnt work mostly
Dec 02 03:44:00 <raster> 1. irs hard
Dec 02 03:44:00 <frojnd> it would be awesome :) and fast
Dec 02 03:44:03 <raster> 2. compute-expensive
Dec 02 03:44:09 <raster> 3. people dont WANT IT
Dec 02 03:44:12 <raster> why?
Dec 02 03:44:21 <raster> i dont want to let everyone on the bus HEAR my sms message
Dec 02 03:44:25 <frojnd> raster: ebkight me, I like it :)
Dec 02 03:44:27 <raster> and they dont want to hear it either
Dec 02 03:44:49 <raster> in fact in many cultures even answering a phone on a bus or train for example is considered very rude
Dec 02 03:44:49 <frojnd> raster: true, but when alone and chatting to a gf somewere abroad
Dec 02 03:44:54 <raster> so hgaving messages spoken out to you
Dec 02 03:45:02 <rooly> it would be useful in some instances, but usually rather annoying, especially if it's picking up background chatter
Dec 02 03:45:04 <raster> and talking to write them is just not going to be accepted
Dec 02 03:45:15 <raster> but the main point is
Dec 02 03:45:19 <raster> it has niche usefulness
Dec 02 03:45:21 <slaxxin> then there are the mistakes
Dec 02 03:45:24 <raster> its not widely desired
Dec 02 03:45:34 <frojnd> looks like I'm on my own :)
Dec 02 03:45:38 <raster> thus it just doesnt warrant a lot of the effort/resources/money/time
Dec 02 03:45:39 <raster> :)
Dec 02 03:45:41 <raster> yeah
Dec 02 03:45:45 <slaxxin> the wolf
Dec 02 03:45:45 <raster> its also just not accurate enough
Dec 02 03:46:35 <frojnd> raster: artificial intelligence  ;)
Dec 02 03:46:45 <frojnd> lack of that imho
Dec 02 03:47:31 <slaxxin> might work for a fie clerk in an office 
Dec 02 03:48:09 <slaxxin> for pulling up files only
Dec 02 03:48:34 <slaxxin> ohmm
Dec 02 03:48:58 <slaxxin> ooo nos    boots
Dec 02 03:49:44 <frojnd> nah I gotta go to sleep it's 4:50 am
Dec 02 03:49:47 <frojnd> gn8
Dec 02 04:09:21 * kd8ikt can imagine me sending an sms via voice
Dec 02 04:10:06 <kd8ikt> " *censored* "  ;)
Dec 02 04:11:24 <rooly> meh
Dec 02 04:13:12 <kd8ikt> ironman had speech to text ;)
Dec 02 04:13:50 <kd8ikt> holograms and an arc reactors
Dec 02 04:13:54 <rooly> ironman was a bored billionaire
Dec 02 04:14:10 <kd8ikt> but atleast he was a mosochist diy guy
Dec 02 04:14:18 <kd8ikt> gotta respect that
Dec 02 04:14:22 <rooly> he also had a minority-report-esque holographic interface
Dec 02 04:14:45 <kd8ikt> he didnt just throw money at people to do everything for him he actually did stuff
Dec 02 04:15:12 <kd8ikt> hot rods and choppers
Dec 02 04:15:34 <kd8ikt> heh
Dec 02 04:15:55 <kd8ikt> also it was very fictitious
Dec 02 04:16:39 <raster> and hot women
Dec 02 04:16:46 <raster> its got to be fictitious
Dec 02 04:17:07 <kd8ikt> nah startrek was real! with really beautifull women
Dec 02 04:17:31 <kd8ikt> fic-titi-ous
Dec 02 04:22:15 <rooly> lol
Dec 02 04:22:36 <slaxxin> fabricators
Dec 02 04:22:41 <rooly> wait...that emphasis makes me see the pronunciation "fic-shi-shi-oos"
Dec 02 04:24:15 <slaxxin> man i hope this om upgrade is actually improving something
Dec 02 04:24:52 <kd8ikt> how do you get shi-shi from tity?
Dec 02 04:25:42 <kd8ikt> ( . Y . )
Dec 02 04:26:01 <slaxxin> biggins
Dec 02 04:26:13 <kd8ikt> must be azn or somethin
Dec 02 04:26:48 <slaxxin> lost in translation
Dec 02 04:26:49 <rooly> same way i get "fish" out of ghiti
Dec 02 04:27:04 <slaxxin> oooooooo cajun
Dec 02 04:27:25 <rooly> enough, -tion...how hard is that to see?
Dec 02 04:28:37 <slaxxin> wheeeeeeewwwww
Dec 02 04:29:31 <slaxxin> a hugh amount of action going on with the om upgrade
Dec 02 04:29:34 <rooly> hmm...is that pronounced using the "hw-" method?
Dec 02 04:30:15 <slaxxin> no it means that thr previous post went all the way over my head
Dec 02 04:30:41 <rooly> we are on different pages i believe
Dec 02 04:30:47 <slaxxin> lol
Dec 02 04:30:53 <slaxxin> sorry
Dec 02 04:30:59 <slaxxin>    i shut up
Dec 02 05:00:47 <slaxxin> well  settings is the first thing that wont work
Dec 02 05:37:01 * rooly sighs
Dec 02 05:37:07 <rooly> no gsm dialup it seems
Dec 02 05:37:46 <slaxxin> yea  i guess shr
Dec 02 05:38:09 <slaxxin> no action there today
Dec 02 05:38:11 <rooly> at least, i haven't gotten my one try to work yet
Dec 02 05:38:36 <slaxxin> settings refuses to come up
Dec 02 05:42:29 <rooly> iunno
Dec 02 06:01:53 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03erin 07org.openmoko.dev * r7da955a109cf 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add opd_args file to append arguments for starting opd
Dec 02 07:11:24 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03roh * r4839 10/developers/roh/CHY48R_test.py: * add more RE details
Dec 02 07:28:52 <FilipLinux4> hi all, i see latest android is available at http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ ; anyone tried already ?
Dec 02 07:45:55 <pieterc> I'm flashing android atm...
Dec 02 07:47:46 <Sargun> neat
Dec 02 07:47:47 <Sargun> good luck
Dec 02 07:47:58 <pieterc> thanks ;)
Dec 02 07:48:00 <pieterc> hah
Dec 02 07:55:50 <gromez> what are the improvements in the latest android image ?
Dec 02 07:56:58 <pieterc> don't know, didn't try the last one
Dec 02 07:57:04 <pieterc> but bluetooth doesn't seem to work
Dec 02 07:57:11 <pieterc> -testing it
Dec 02 07:57:13 <pieterc> -
Dec 02 07:58:16 <gromez> in the previous one, bluetooth scanning was ok
Dec 02 07:58:33 <gromez> but i didn't try to pair with another device
Dec 02 07:58:56 <pieterc> when i try to put it on 
Dec 02 07:58:59 <pieterc> it gives an error
Dec 02 07:59:09 <pieterc> camera works fine though
Dec 02 07:59:14 <pieterc> -ok, just joking-
Dec 02 07:59:32 <pieterc> there should be a keyboard in it
Dec 02 07:59:34 <pieterc> but i don't find it
Dec 02 08:05:15 <pieterc> hm...
Dec 02 08:05:25 <pieterc> I really don't get how to open the keyboard app 
Dec 02 08:09:43 <gurugentoo>  pieterc: I don't believe a keyboard has been implemented
Dec 02 08:09:43 <gurugentoo> the existing phones have actual keys
Dec 02 08:10:30 <pieterc> http://n2.nabble.com/-Android--OnScreen-Keyboard-tp1583918p1583918.html
Dec 02 08:10:57 <gurugentoo> pieterc: I stand corrected
Dec 02 08:11:16 <gurugentoo> cool
Dec 02 08:12:35 <pieterc> yeah... but it doesn't seem to be implemented :(
Dec 02 08:13:03 <gurugentoo> or at least the image you flashed didn't actually have it included
Dec 02 08:13:16 <pieterc> it's the image released by sean
Dec 02 08:14:57 <Hopscotch> good morning
Dec 02 08:15:23 <pieterc> hi
Dec 02 08:34:18 <vishal> hello everyone
Dec 02 08:34:45 <pieterc> hii
Dec 02 08:41:35 <pieterc> and android still won't run without power adapter attached
Dec 02 08:48:10 <vininim> "unlocked freerunner" :D
Dec 02 08:52:38 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03roh * r4840 10/developers/roh/CHY48R_test.py: * fix typo
Dec 02 08:55:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03jeremy * rba3f443faec4 10/src/server/phone/dialer/touch/dialer.cpp: [dialer] Use show() instead of showMaximized() when launching "select
Dec 02 09:03:19 <gecco> goodmorning
Dec 02 09:09:31 <Hire> someone has tested the new android image?
Dec 02 09:09:51 <pieterc> yes i did
Dec 02 09:10:01 <pieterc> Not much usable :(
Dec 02 09:10:06 <Hire> the new kernel doesn't work ..
Dec 02 09:10:09 <pieterc> indeed
Dec 02 09:10:13 <pieterc> use the old one
Dec 02 09:10:21 <pieterc> bluetooth doesn't seem to work
Dec 02 09:10:25 <pieterc> keyboard not implemented
Dec 02 09:10:34 <pieterc> gives 2 errors at startup
Dec 02 09:10:39 <pieterc> doesn't work without the charger
Dec 02 09:10:47 <pieterc> ... reflashing atm ;)
Dec 02 09:11:15 <Hire> i see
Dec 02 09:11:21 <Hire> i want only to test it ..
Dec 02 09:12:07 <pieterc> me too actually :)
Dec 02 09:12:24 <pieterc> but even then ... I'll let Sean put in more work ;)
Dec 02 09:15:03 <vininim> argh, I forgot to format sd card for android. *slaps forehead*
Dec 02 09:16:14 <pieterc> I rly thought the keyboard would 've been included
Dec 02 09:16:29 <pieterc> -don't forget to attach it to a wallcharger ;) -
Dec 02 09:16:51 <pieterc> I'll go now
Dec 02 09:16:55 <pieterc> studying and stuff
Dec 02 09:17:00 <pieterc> gots to be done too i guess
Dec 02 09:17:01 <pieterc> bye
Dec 02 09:17:19 <vininim> gl, bye
Dec 02 09:33:26 <Hire> uhm
Dec 02 09:33:46 <Hire> i don't see any improvement on this new image of Android
Dec 02 09:33:54 <Hire> no keyboard, no other apps as Maps
Dec 02 09:34:06 <Hire> i can't accept incoming calls
Dec 02 09:34:35 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03tick 07org.openmoko.dev * r12214176d908 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: Assassin: Bump up assassin to 268
Dec 02 09:36:22 <ronny> Hire: the keyboard is supposed to be made by google in january
Dec 02 09:37:02 <Hire> i know it
Dec 02 09:37:19 <Hire> but rui implements a onscreen keyboard that seems to work
Dec 02 09:40:10 <vininim> Hire: it's not in sean image?
Dec 02 09:40:51 <Hire> no
Dec 02 09:45:23 <vininim> om-daily is really snappy, nice work from the optimization team
Dec 02 09:53:35 <vininim> heh.. what is the default network config in om-daily, my last script that used work with shr/fdom/2008.9 is not working with it(and it has no terminal o_O)
Dec 02 09:56:02 <budfive5f> anybody using a freerunner with AT&T in the US?
Dec 02 09:56:41 <DocScrutinizer2> the ones who updated to MOKO10?
Dec 02 09:57:04 <budfive5f> anyone, i guess. I'm still seeing wonky registration behavior after the update
Dec 02 09:58:02 <DocScrutinizer2> elaborate please
Dec 02 09:58:49 <budfive5f> running moko10. qtopia registers just fine every time (takes about 2 minutes). fso does about 20% of the time. android didn't the one time i tried
Dec 02 09:59:31 <DocScrutinizer2> so seems this is a disri/userland issue, no?
Dec 02 09:59:40 <budfive5f> looked at the fso log, but it's not obvious to me what's broken. wondering what others with at&t are seeing and which SIMs they're using
Dec 02 10:00:33 <DocScrutinizer2> sorry, can't help beyond MOKO10
Dec 02 10:00:35 <henk> vininim: it should be 192.168.0.202/28 afair
Dec 02 10:00:44 <budfive5f> it's useland on some level, but i suspect the culprit is the long registration time. fso probably doesn't handle a delay that long properly. if some other SIM produces faster registrations, i'd like to know about it
Dec 02 10:01:06 <henk> vininim: didn't work the first time for me either. try rebooting and replugging it.
Dec 02 10:01:15 <lindi-> budfive5f: it's trivial to add longer timeout to fso?
Dec 02 10:01:20 <henk> vininim: i managed to get it to work after some tries.
Dec 02 10:01:33 <budfive5f> lindi-: yep. tried it. didn't help...
Dec 02 10:01:47 <lindi-> budfive5f: then it's not about long reg time
Dec 02 10:02:00 <lindi-> budfive5f: can you make calls manually?
Dec 02 10:02:42 <budfive5f> lindi-: no. it doesn't register. the FSO log confirms this. I did play with manual registration and it works just fine after a few minutes
Dec 02 10:03:52 <budfive5f> lindi-: AT+CFUN=1 ; AT+COPS=0 ; wait for a few minutes works when registering manually
Dec 02 10:03:59 <DocScrutinizer2> so this might be #1024?
Dec 02 10:04:27 <lindi-> budfive5f: ok, got a bug report about this in freesmartphone.org?
Dec 02 10:04:43 <budfive5f> lindi-: yeah. i posted one. 
Dec 02 10:05:27 <budfive5f> lindi-: i'm sure somebody will look at it. Mostly curious about other people's registration times, and what different types of SIMs control
Dec 02 10:05:43 <budfive5f> lindi-: are all SIMs effectively identical after the GSM firmware update?
Dec 02 10:06:56 <lindi-> i doubt
Dec 02 10:07:06 <DocScrutinizer2> MOKO10 fixed a bug in sim-recognition
Dec 02 10:07:13 <vininim> henk: yeah, rebooting did it, thanks.
Dec 02 10:07:42 <DocScrutinizer2> maybe other side effects
Dec 02 10:07:59 <lindi-> we don't know, the changelog is missing ;)
Dec 02 10:08:26 <DocScrutinizer2> but there is no known mechanism delaying registration of particular sims
Dec 02 10:08:54 <budfive5f> :) I'm still a bit surprised a user-upgradeable firmware was released at all. Thought it was illegal due to the FCC laws and such
Dec 02 10:09:04 <DocScrutinizer2> lindi-: *you* are missing it ;-)
Dec 02 10:09:49 <DocScrutinizer2> we just did it
Dec 02 10:10:08 <DocScrutinizer2> no issues with FCC
Dec 02 10:10:27 <lindi-> DocScrutinizer2: oh, was it on mailing list already? ;)
Dec 02 10:10:47 <DocScrutinizer2> our FW is clean. You could hack your own, and that would be worse
Dec 02 10:11:00 <DocScrutinizer2> lindi-: nope
Dec 02 10:11:03 <Wonka> i suppoe http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/news/20081129/sam-leffler-releases-hal-source is now widely known around here...
Dec 02 10:11:20 <DocScrutinizer2> but *I* may look at it ;-)
Dec 02 10:11:59 <vishal> hello friends, im using neo for the first time
Dec 02 10:12:13 <vishal> i have installed agpsui test ap and gone in open place i get reception..
Dec 02 10:12:14 <budfive5f> so is it normal to see a registration take a few minutes? is anybody seeing that?
Dec 02 10:12:43 <DocScrutinizer2> usually not
Dec 02 10:12:52 <lindi-> budfive5f: now we'll just wait for somebody to implement AT%JAM-THE-NETWORK command :P
Dec 02 10:13:02 <budfive5f> :)
Dec 02 10:13:10 <budfive5f> DocScrutinizer2: what's normal? a few seconds?
Dec 02 10:13:28 <DocScrutinizer2> 30sec maybe
Dec 02 10:13:40 <budfive5f> DocScrutinizer2: thx
Dec 02 10:14:30 <DocScrutinizer2> depends on network situation. but a few minutes sounds too long
Dec 02 10:14:53 <DocScrutinizer2> are you remote area?
Dec 02 10:15:09 <DocScrutinizer2> or urban
Dec 02 10:15:12 <budfive5f> ciry
Dec 02 10:15:17 <budfive5f> city i mean
Dec 02 10:15:40 <budfive5f> my ancient nokia registers almost immediately
Dec 02 10:15:41 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, should be much faster usually, unless roaming
Dec 02 10:16:08 <vishal> wat is libubx ? how should i use it?
Dec 02 10:16:45 <DocScrutinizer2> probably Mickey and maybe Dieter/me might be interested in some logs anyway
Dec 02 10:17:14 <budfive5f> DocScrutinizer2: i posted a bug on fso.org a few days ago. #255 if you care. 
Dec 02 10:17:19 <DocScrutinizer2> have a ticket#?
Dec 02 10:17:28 <DocScrutinizer2> ahh ok
Dec 02 10:44:34 <DocScrutinizer2> budfive5f: btw, wich old nokia?
Dec 02 10:44:52 <DocScrutinizer2> s/wi/whi/
Dec 02 10:44:52 <apt> DocScrutinizer2 meant: budfive5f: btw, which old nokia?
Dec 02 10:45:29 <budfive5f> DocScrutinizer2: nokia 6102
Dec 02 10:45:44 <DocScrutinizer2> ah, ok
Dec 02 10:46:16 <DocScrutinizer2> (dunno this one)
Dec 02 10:46:26 <budfive5f> DocScrutinizer2: running a few more tests with the moko. seems that i get registration 110 seconds from the AT+COPS=0 command. This seems to be consistent. Very weird
Dec 02 10:46:55 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, not exactly a bug
Dec 02 10:47:26 <DocScrutinizer2> maybe calypso takes a while to scan al 3 bands
Dec 02 10:47:30 <budfive5f> the default registration timeout in fso was 30 seconds. bumping this up to 180 seconds didn't help (only tried this once). Would an expired timeout cause it to never register?
Dec 02 10:47:57 <DocScrutinizer2> dunno, I'm not FSO
Dec 02 10:48:07 <budfive5f> ah, right. sorry.
Dec 02 10:48:10 <DocScrutinizer2> ask me FW or HW
Dec 02 10:48:30 <budfive5f> the nokia is triband also, but it was sold by the carrier so maybe it scans the "correct" frequencies first
Dec 02 10:48:38 <methril> morning
Dec 02 10:48:41 <DocScrutinizer2> mickey|flu|zzZZz: ping
Dec 02 10:49:08 <DocScrutinizer2> hmm, seems to be a real flu
Dec 02 10:49:44 <DocScrutinizer2> ahhh, 
Dec 02 10:49:52 <DocScrutinizer2> mickey|ICxyz: ping
Dec 02 10:50:03 <Cervajz> Hello there
Dec 02 10:50:17 <Cervajz> I have a strange problem with latest testing image
Dec 02 10:51:24 <Cervajz> When I set -profile illume in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile then Enlightenment ends with SEGV after start of system
Dec 02 10:51:56 <Cervajz> I want illume keyboard in testing, but this way itsn't working :(
Dec 02 10:53:43 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r20a413624549 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: connection sharing now works
Dec 02 11:03:32 <vininim> Is there a mkfs.vfat ipkg?
Dec 02 11:08:59 <gromez> vininim: dosfstools something like that
Dec 02 11:11:04 <vininim> s 2
Dec 02 11:12:13 <vininim> that's it, thanks.
Dec 02 11:21:50 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer2: is there a changelog from moko10-beta2 to moko10?
Dec 02 11:22:35 <DocScrutinizer2> changes are near ZERO.
Dec 02 11:22:51 <DocScrutinizer2> version string changed
Dec 02 11:23:36 <Wonka> mhkay...
Dec 02 11:25:08 <Wonka> does anything decide anything based on version string?
Dec 02 11:25:28 <mickey|ICxyz> no
Dec 02 11:26:14 <Wonka> ok, then my next project will be hacking a little at zhone to make it show more information - like GPS time
Dec 02 11:26:22 <Wonka> and velocity
Dec 02 11:26:29 <mickey|ICxyz> cool
Dec 02 11:26:44 <mickey|ICxyz> i have a wicked plan for zhone
Dec 02 11:27:09 <Wonka> i know it is only a demo app, but at least the gps stuff is quite cool actually
Dec 02 11:27:14 <DocScrutinizer2> tell us more ;-)
Dec 02 11:27:18 <mickey|ICxyz> i'll send some ideas forward next week
Dec 02 11:27:20 <vininim> does android really take that long to boot? or tracking isn't working?
Dec 02 11:28:08 * mickey|ICxyz brabbles about zhone becoming a framebuffer-app resting on a seperate VT
Dec 02 11:28:24 <Wonka> this satellite display thingy in zhone is the wrong way round, btw - satellites with elevation near 90 are not shown in the center of the circle but on the edge...
Dec 02 11:29:16 <Wonka> nother thing: i'd like buttons to reset gps, and to keep gps running when switching away from the gps stuff to something other in zhone.
Dec 02 11:29:39 <mickey|ICxyz> sounds good
Dec 02 11:29:56 <Wonka> and now, i need to leave - bbl.
Dec 02 11:30:02 <mickey|ICxyz> the only thing to consider is whether you want to refactor zhone before patching it
Dec 02 11:30:04 <mickey|ICxyz> since it has absolutely no (software) design
Dec 02 11:35:33 <vininim> okay, it seems uImage-tracking doesn't work with android, but uImage-android(heh) does.
Dec 02 11:40:30 <kd8ikt> i'm suprised shr doesnt have git installed ;)  
Dec 02 11:40:43 <kd8ikt> be nice to grab the source for things
Dec 02 11:41:07 <CVirus> Nokia N97 is out
Dec 02 11:49:37 <vininim> heh back to om-daily, since beside not having a keyboard, android isn't connect GSM.
Dec 02 11:49:43 <vininim> *connecting
Dec 02 11:51:05 <kd8ikt> connected for me
Dec 02 11:51:12 <kd8ikt> just couldnt answer
Dec 02 11:51:15 <kd8ikt> :D
Dec 02 11:53:11 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03charlie * r4841 10/developers/charlie/Wiki/ (7 files): Update personal wiki
Dec 02 12:58:19 <a-st> Hello :)
Dec 02 13:04:27 <m0nt0> hi, where can i find the "defconfig-gta02" file? the kernel guide say that it is inside the check out but i can't find it, may be it has been moved somewhere else, anyone know where i can find it?
Dec 02 13:04:44 <lindi-> m0nt0: it was removed
Dec 02 13:04:51 <m0nt0> nuuuu
Dec 02 13:05:04 <lindi-> m0nt0: did you do git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6?
Dec 02 13:05:12 <m0nt0> yes
Dec 02 13:05:18 <lindi-> m0nt0: after something like git branch lindi origin/stable-tracking
Dec 02 13:05:36 <m0nt0> yes, andy-traking branch
Dec 02 13:06:03 <lindi-> m0nt0: try ./arch/arm/configs/gta02-moredrivers-defconfig
Dec 02 13:06:18 <m0nt0> ok
Dec 02 13:06:27 <m0nt0> thank you
Dec 02 13:06:45 <m0nt0> i was looking for something similar, a preconfigured default file
Dec 02 13:06:49 <m0nt0> thanks
Dec 02 13:07:21 <lindi-> m0nt0: see #2078 if you want to use SD
Dec 02 13:09:14 <m0nt0> lindi-: thanks
Dec 02 13:09:43 <lindi-> maybe we should have some sort of #kernelnewbies-openmoko :)
Dec 02 13:10:02 <m0nt0> :D
Dec 02 13:10:17 <m0nt0> no we need only to update the wiki pages
Dec 02 13:10:26 <lindi-> m0nt0: but for discussing things
Dec 02 13:10:34 <m0nt0> ah yes
Dec 02 13:10:54 <m0nt0> i'd like to work on the bad bad 1841 WSOD bug
Dec 02 13:11:04 <lindi-> m0nt0: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/kernel.txt is how i test kernels on debian
Dec 02 13:11:09 <lindi-> i have never seen WSOD
Dec 02 13:11:16 <lindi-> hmm, actually once
Dec 02 13:11:24 <lindi-> but that was due to bad kexec
Dec 02 13:11:24 <a-st> Hello, i'm new to openmoko. I heard of it and now i want to try it on my cellphone (xda comet). Is that possible?
Dec 02 13:11:39 <lindi-> a-st: openmoko is not a single software stack
Dec 02 13:12:26 <a-st> I would like to have the software/os like on the screenshots ;)
Dec 02 13:12:45 <m0nt0> lindi-: i'm affected by this bug and now that the winter has come i can't use my FR as a phone because of this, so i'd like at least to see if i can understand something
Dec 02 13:13:07 <m0nt0> i don't pretend to solve it but at least to look at the module code
Dec 02 13:13:55 <lindi-> m0nt0: ok
Dec 02 13:14:03 <a-st> lindi-, is that possible to run it on a xda comet?
Dec 02 13:14:09 <lindi-> a-st: never heard of xda comet
Dec 02 13:14:12 <lindi-> a-st: i run debian
Dec 02 13:14:16 <Defiant-> I have the whitescreen with  OM2008 kernel but doesn't with the debian one
Dec 02 13:15:03 <lindi-> Defiant-: can you reproduce it?
Dec 02 13:15:16 <a-st> lindi-, the xda comet is a smartphone
Dec 02 13:15:22 <lindi-> a-st: that does not tell me much ;)
Dec 02 13:15:34 <a-st> lindi-, so what do you have to know?
Dec 02 13:15:52 <lindi-> a-st: instruction set
Dec 02 13:16:00 <lindi-> a-st: whether linux has drivers for it
Dec 02 13:16:43 <Defiant-> lindi-: With OM2008.9 I got the problem almost everytime I went outside. With the current kernel in Debian unstable the problem hasn't occured so far. At least not that I can remember.
Dec 02 13:16:43 <a-st> How can i check that?
Dec 02 13:17:26 <lindi-> a-st: quite open question
Dec 02 13:18:27 <a-st> lindi-, thats the phone: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Atom
Dec 02 13:18:30 <lindi-> a-st: wikipedia has very many xda models
Dec 02 13:18:36 <mickey|ICxyz> openmoko is only working on kernels for their own models. the userland stack is pretty much portable to everything that runs linux, _if_ you can get a kernel running on your device
Dec 02 13:19:27 <lindi-> is there some standalone tool for uploading AGPS data to /dev/ttySAC1? i can see only talks about agps-gui
Dec 02 13:21:07 <a-st> mickey|ICxyz, How do i check if "a" kernel works?
Dec 02 13:21:24 <Defiant-> it boots :)
Dec 02 13:23:59 <a-st> Is there an howto? Where do i get a kernel? how do i boot it?
Dec 02 13:25:18 <lindi-> a-st: if you want to port linux to a new architecture you need to spend a few months learning things :)
Dec 02 13:25:39 <Defiant-> "a few"
Dec 02 13:27:00 <a-st> lindi-, its an arm architecture
Dec 02 13:27:21 <lindi-> a-st: still :)
Dec 02 13:27:58 <a-st> I thought openmoko also runs on arm
Dec 02 13:28:21 <Defiant-> Its still not the same
Dec 02 13:29:45 <a-st> :(
Dec 02 13:30:02 <a-st> So there is no easy way to get rid of windows mobile?
Dec 02 13:30:54 <Defiant-> Have you tried google linux on htc atom yet?
Dec 02 13:31:08 <Tm_T> google linux?
Dec 02 13:31:33 <a-st> no
Dec 02 13:32:49 <Defiant-> a-st: Looks like some people are working on it http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux
Dec 02 13:34:22 <a-st> okay ;)
Dec 02 13:37:41 <a-st> so i have to wait till then
Dec 02 13:57:56 <a-st> So it's not a Smartphone...its a Pocket PC
Dec 02 14:14:52 <wizkoder> hy everybody
Dec 02 14:23:27 <Fougner> eey =D
Dec 02 14:23:33 <Fougner> Dave, !
Dec 02 14:23:55 <Torikun> The G1 Phone kicks ass!
Dec 02 14:24:05 <Torikun> anyone get it?
Dec 02 14:25:09 <Tm_T> Torikun: you do?
Dec 02 14:25:23 <Torikun> yup
Dec 02 14:25:36 <Torikun> I had to replace my freerunner with a working phone that runs linux
Dec 02 14:25:46 <wizkoder> I do not have an openmoko machine yet. trying to get the qemu running....
Dec 02 14:25:56 <Torikun> want my phone for $100
Dec 02 14:26:28 <Torikun> ?
Dec 02 14:26:29 <Torikun> lol
Dec 02 14:26:30 <lindi-> Torikun: does it run emacs? ;)
Dec 02 14:26:36 <Torikun> dunno
Dec 02 14:26:44 <Torikun> sure it does
Dec 02 14:26:57 <mjr> I think the question is, does it run anything google doesn't want it to...
Dec 02 14:27:10 <Dave> Torikun!
Dec 02 14:27:14 <Torikun> I will sell my openMoko FreeRunner for $100
Dec 02 14:27:15 <Torikun> lol
Dec 02 14:27:16 <Torikun> Dave: 
Dec 02 14:27:18 <Torikun> !
Dec 02 14:27:24 <Torikun> Android is so awesome
Dec 02 14:27:27 <Dave> so........... ebay?
Dec 02 14:27:59 * SpeedEvil needs FR.
Dec 02 14:28:11 <SpeedEvil> oh well.
Dec 02 14:28:22 <Torikun> Emacs amazed me actually
Dec 02 14:28:24 <Torikun> so feature rich
Dec 02 14:28:39 <SpeedEvil> Torikun: can it make and recieve calls, and does suspend work?
Dec 02 14:28:44 <bumbl> Torikun: hmm I would take it for 50€ :p I need a new paperweight
Dec 02 14:28:49 <Torikun> Yes under Qtopia SpeedEvil
Dec 02 14:28:50 <SpeedEvil> emacs! Yet another software stack.
Dec 02 14:29:33 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - I can't do even $100 ATM, so it's irrelevant :)
Dec 02 14:29:36 <Torikun> ah
Dec 02 14:29:38 <SpeedEvil> Plus, no time.
Dec 02 14:29:41 <Dave> Speedevil :(
Dec 02 14:29:43 <bumbl> the curch of emacs will get you SpeedEvil an proseytize you
Dec 02 14:29:46 <Torikun> I live in the US so its GSM 
Dec 02 14:29:59 <Torikun> I would hate to use emacs in the console
Dec 02 14:30:11 <bumbl> anywayL
Dec 02 14:30:13 <Dave> hah
Dec 02 14:30:15 <bumbl> vim is better
Dec 02 14:30:32 <Dave> \o/
Dec 02 14:30:40 <Torikun> nano ftw
Dec 02 14:30:49 <nano-> indeed
Dec 02 14:31:09 <Torikun> oh Hi nano-
Dec 02 14:31:10 <Torikun> lol
Dec 02 14:31:12 * nano- ofc knows that emacs is better
Dec 02 14:31:22 <bumbl> lol
Dec 02 14:33:04 <Dave> nano, you suck
Dec 02 14:33:13 <Dave> You wouldn't even build correctly on the freerunner!
Dec 02 14:35:03 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rd3cf8ca82d26 10/fsod/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
Dec 02 14:35:03 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Fix build errors when compiling with vala 0.5.2 (Thanks playya)
Dec 02 14:35:03 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Remove vapi/fsod.gidl
Dec 02 14:35:39 <_Bill_> lol.. every once in a while.. emacs vs vi :P
Dec 02 14:36:02 <_Bill_> Eight Megabytes And Still Swapping vs Very Infantile
Dec 02 14:39:29 <wizkoder> anybody here that has the qemu running? I had to change the scripts to get at least something working. now qemu starts (u-boot displays the startup screen) but I cannot get past that point
Dec 02 14:40:06 <bumbl> and as always vim wins :p (i use both, but not frequently [vim more frequently because I use vim for editing confs])
Dec 02 14:40:28 <Dave> hell yeah!
Dec 02 14:40:41 <Wonka> re
Dec 02 14:40:43 <_Bill_> s/Still/continuosly/
Dec 02 14:40:43 <apt> _Bill_ meant: Eight Megabytes And continuosly Swapping vs Very Infantile
Dec 02 14:40:49 <_Bill_> apt: yeah
Dec 02 14:40:51 <apt> rumour has it, yeah is YEAH
Dec 02 14:40:59 <_Bill_> recalled it wrong the first time
Dec 02 14:41:03 <Dave> o.O
Dec 02 14:41:20 <Dave> Bill, sense not you make
Dec 02 14:41:26 <Wonka> apt commit suicide
Dec 02 14:41:27 <apt> Hehe my survival instinct prevents me from killing myself
Dec 02 14:41:57 <bumbl> apt log off then
Dec 02 14:42:42 <_Bill_> dave: taken by the dark side you are....
Dec 02 14:43:33 * Lazy_lulu says "I'm your mother Dave"
Dec 02 14:44:00 <Tm_T> hi mother dave, where's our daddy dave ?
Dec 02 14:45:05 <a-st> Does OpenMoko run on a PocketPC (Windows Mobile 6 Pro)?
Dec 02 14:45:29 <Tm_T> a-st: err
Dec 02 14:45:36 <Tm_T> Openmoko is operating system
Dec 02 14:46:00 <Tm_T> PPC is another, well, operating system (I believe in this case)
Dec 02 14:47:54 <a-st> Tm_T,  i woul like to run the openmoko on my xda comet but don't know hoe
Dec 02 14:48:07 <Tm_T> a-st: and prolly you cant
Dec 02 14:48:52 <a-st> What is the Problem?
Dec 02 14:49:08 <Tm_T> a-st: you need to get drivers for your hardware
Dec 02 14:49:26 <bumbl> a-st: if linux runs on it
Dec 02 14:49:31 <henk> it's like running a distribution specifically made for the xbox on a ps2...
Dec 02 14:49:33 <bumbl> openmoko can run on it too
Dec 02 14:49:34 <Tm_T> bumbl: see what I said =)
Dec 02 14:49:40 <Daramarak> regedit
Dec 02 14:49:52 <Daramarak> sorry :)
Dec 02 14:50:01 <bumbl> Tm_T: :)
Dec 02 14:50:06 <a-st> so its smthing like LFS? :P
Dec 02 14:50:15 <Dave> :p
Dec 02 14:50:28 <Dave> omfg
Dec 02 14:50:31 <Tm_T> a-st: no, it's more like "blind-coding linux from scratch"
Dec 02 14:50:31 <Zorkman> openmoko can't run on anything
Dec 02 14:50:31 <Dave> openmokoxbox
Dec 02 14:50:36 <Zorkman> crawl, or fall maybe....
Dec 02 14:50:38 <Dave> Zorkman, huhu :D
Dec 02 14:50:39 <Tm_T> Dave: !!!
Dec 02 14:51:08 * Zorkman plays ACDC - Tm_T
Dec 02 14:51:09 <Tm_T> Dave: openmokoxbox, but you still cant make a call
Dec 02 14:51:24 <Tm_T> Zorkman: that took long time to come (:)
Dec 02 14:51:27 <Dave> :D
Dec 02 14:51:38 <a-st> So I need a selfcompiled kernel, drivers, what else?
Dec 02 14:51:48 <Tm_T> a-st: you have to CODE drivers
Dec 02 14:51:51 <Zorkman> daredevil-spirit!
Dec 02 14:51:55 <Zorkman> and the tears of a virgin
Dec 02 14:51:57 <a-st> o.O
Dec 02 14:52:02 <Zorkman> at least that makes my FR work
Dec 02 14:52:18 <henk> a-st: you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, right?
Dec 02 14:52:24 <Tm_T> Zorkman: my FR works, just need some recharging at times
Dec 02 14:52:34 <Tm_T> henk: he does, eventually (:)
Dec 02 14:53:04 <nio_> Zorkman: Do you drop the tears in the little audio jack?
Dec 02 14:53:13 <Tm_T> a-st: unless someone has done those drivers for that hardware
Dec 02 14:53:28 <a-st> oh okay
Dec 02 14:53:34 <a-st> so i'll have to wait
Dec 02 14:53:36 <Zorkman> nah, you need to inject them into the minu usbport
Dec 02 14:53:45 <Zorkman> a-st: or buy a FR :)
Dec 02 14:53:57 <henk> a-st: no. having no clue at all should let you come to the decision to learn, not to wait.
Dec 02 14:54:03 <Tm_T> a-st: waiting wont help, because prolly oone will do those drivers
Dec 02 14:54:42 <a-st> henk, i'm a total n00b in programming xD
Dec 02 14:55:55 <henk> a-st: then try to understand that in the next 2 years you will probably have no chance at all on running software for the freerunner on any other device with different hardware.
Dec 02 14:56:24 <Tm_T> henk: except Linux hardware
Dec 02 14:56:25 <holycow> http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/nokia-unveils-flagship-n97-phone/
Dec 02 14:56:29 <holycow> neato
Dec 02 14:56:33 <Tm_T> holycow: not
Dec 02 14:56:52 <Tm_T> holycow: nothing "new" really, just added keyboard to flopped n96
Dec 02 14:57:09 <holycow> aha
Dec 02 14:57:10 <holycow> k
Dec 02 14:57:27 <holycow> the keys look incredibly hard to use indeed
Dec 02 14:58:22 <Tm_T> and the price, Nokia, this great finnish company, what do WE get? 990 € pricetag <3
Dec 02 14:59:33 <holycow> it runs wymbian too i guess
Dec 02 14:59:41 <Tm_T> indeed it does
Dec 02 14:59:54 <Tm_T> nothing new on that either, shame
Dec 02 15:03:31 <bumbl> hmm nokia handies suck
Dec 02 15:03:43 <bumbl> the last good and robust one I saw was the 6230
Dec 02 15:03:54 <Zorkman> but i heard you can call and send sms's with them :p
Dec 02 15:04:08 <bumbl> Zorkman: that's a fairytale
Dec 02 15:04:09 <Tm_T> Zorkman: lies!
Dec 02 15:04:55 <Zorkman> me thinks a phone is made so you can fiddle in a terminal on a tiny keyboard and not for all that fancy hight-tech so-called "calling" and "texting"
Dec 02 15:04:59 <bumbl> their ads only want to make you believe that nokia is connecting people
Dec 02 15:05:15 <bumbl> Zorkman: i++ full ack
Dec 02 15:05:38 * Tm_T just want to do his daily irssi sessions with a phone
Dec 02 15:05:47 <holycow> heh
Dec 02 15:06:11 * d-b agrees with Tm_T 
Dec 02 15:06:19 <Zorkman> wait untill my FR connects with the head of a nokia user... :p
Dec 02 15:06:26 * holycow doesn't see the difference between texting human -> human and human -> machine
Dec 02 15:06:37 <d-b> Zorkman: nar. ssh ->> iphone
Dec 02 15:07:05 <holycow> frankly i preffer machines to humans most of the time anyway
Dec 02 15:07:14 <d-b> !moo
Dec 02 15:10:38 <pjz> $17 for 8Gb microSD at http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/16079/Transcend-8GB-Micro-SDHC-Flash-Card-17
Dec 02 15:10:48 <pjz> thought people with a FR might want to know :)
Dec 02 15:16:30 <Fougner> pjz, NO WE DON'T!
Dec 02 15:16:30 <Fougner> =D
Dec 02 15:16:36 <Fougner> apt kill Dave
Dec 02 15:16:38 * apt shoots a magneto-ionized pseudopositrino gun at Dave
Dec 02 15:17:55 <wizkoder> the documentation for qmu + openmoko is old :-(    I tried now for hours. And its simply not working....
Dec 02 15:21:23 <bumbl> pjz: doesn't Transcend suck?
Dec 02 15:27:46 <Dave> moidah!
Dec 02 15:27:58 <lindi-> wizkoder: can you put online what you did and how it fails?
Dec 02 15:28:41 <wizkoder> I had to change the "env" file, otherwise it did not find any files
Dec 02 15:29:28 <wizkoder> Now I am downloading eveything from the daily/testing directory
Dec 02 15:30:11 <wizkoder> When I start the flash.sh it does some things and then tells me "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20"
Dec 02 15:34:57 <wizkoder> how should the 3 files be named that I build the image out of?
Dec 02 15:35:32 <wizkoder> is gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin the bootloader?
Dec 02 15:35:59 <wizkoder> and whats this "gta02v5_and_up-lowlevel.bin" ?
Dec 02 15:36:26 <wizkoder> or do I have to use gta01bv4-u-boot.bin   ?
Dec 02 15:36:30 <wizkoder> confused :-)
Dec 02 15:40:52 <wizkoder> I have to change the scripts otherwise nothing would work at all. So I have to know which fiels I need, because I have to insert them manually :-(
Dec 02 15:42:01 <wizkoder> -> off to the developer section .-)
Dec 02 16:00:17 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r450a65386f0e 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
Dec 02 16:00:17 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 1.) Add InvalidState Exception when setting states or timeouts
Dec 02 16:00:17 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 2.) Add SetTimeout method
Dec 02 16:00:17 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 3.) Fix another build error in powercontrol
Dec 02 16:20:59 <Fougner> Dave! =d
Dec 02 16:21:22 <Fougner> bumbl, transcend is quite crappy, what I've heard.. Sandisk is the label most people want ;)
Dec 02 16:25:50 <slaxxin> zfgbdfbd
Dec 02 16:26:36 <Zorkman> indeed slaxxin!
Dec 02 16:26:54 <slaxxin> got the latest om
Dec 02 16:27:33 <slaxxin> settings wouldnt work till opkg upgrade
Dec 02 16:28:56 <bumbl> Fougner: yep I have a 8gb san disk µsd
Dec 02 16:29:39 <Fougner> =)
Dec 02 16:29:49 <Fougner> bumbl, but i have TWO! HAH!
Dec 02 16:29:49 <Zorkman> me too
Dec 02 16:29:58 <Zorkman> a friend of mine also has one
Dec 02 16:30:08 <Zorkman> never had any problems (except for the Fr problems :))
Dec 02 16:30:36 <bumbl> Fougner: i don't need to so why the hell should i buy two
Dec 02 16:30:44 <Fougner> because you're worth it!
Dec 02 16:30:49 <Fougner> haa
Dec 02 16:31:02 <Fougner> bumbl, I'm just fscking around.. don't listen to me
Dec 02 16:31:07 <Fougner> =D
Dec 02 16:31:10 <Fougner> apt install Dave
Dec 02 16:31:12 * apt runs yum -y localinstall Dave-4.2-1.noarch.rpm
Dec 02 16:31:18 <bumbl> :)
Dec 02 16:31:20 <bumbl> haha
Dec 02 16:31:26 <Fougner> so, how you doin' bumbl-b?
Dec 02 16:31:35 <Fougner> bzzzzz
Dec 02 16:31:38 <Fougner> AH!
Dec 02 16:31:42 <bumbl> haha
Dec 02 16:31:43 <Fougner> you're the one in my phone!
Dec 02 16:31:51 <Fougner> buzzing around, doin that friggin sound
Dec 02 16:31:52 <bumbl> hello hello
Dec 02 16:31:53 <Fougner> gaaah
Dec 02 16:31:58 <Fougner> xD
Dec 02 16:32:03 <Fougner> just kidding again!
Dec 02 16:52:16 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4fecf8d41e90 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py): 
Dec 02 16:52:16 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: odeviced: Add two new resources: 'CPU' and 'Display':
Dec 02 16:52:16 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: Requesting the CPU resource will prevent the idle notifier from falling
Dec 02 16:52:16 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: into the 'suspend' state, requesting the Display resource will prevent
Dec 02 16:52:18 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: the idle notifier from falling into the 'idle_dim' (and following) state(s).
Dec 02 16:52:20 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: With these two resource, it now takes only one additional rule to prevent
Dec 02 16:52:22 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: the system from suspending while on a call or a musicplayer is playing.
Dec 02 16:54:17 <Wonka> or recording a GPS track...
Dec 02 16:58:19 <Pander> hi
Dec 02 17:06:58 <Fougner> Pander, hi =D
Dec 02 17:07:41 <Pander> Hi F, just some smalltalk: what do you do with a Freerunner?
Dec 02 17:12:38 <Fougner> Pander, I like small talk =D
Dec 02 17:12:46 <Fougner> what I do? :P
Dec 02 17:12:50 <Pander> y
Dec 02 17:12:53 <Fougner> I throw em at Dave
Dec 02 17:12:59 <Pander> haha
Dec 02 17:13:01 <Fougner> apt throw mokos at Dave
Dec 02 17:13:02 * apt winds up and throws mokos at Dave over the moon.
Dec 02 17:13:15 <Fougner> he's got too many of them
Dec 02 17:13:17 <Fougner> hehe
Dec 02 17:13:19 <Fougner> noo
Dec 02 17:13:33 <Fougner> I've actually got one here at home... just for my geeky purposes
Dec 02 17:13:55 <Pander> same here
Dec 02 17:14:21 <Fougner> I don't do anything special with it =) try to find a good distro to use on daily basis
Dec 02 17:15:45 <Fougner> I'm using the GPS sometimes
Dec 02 17:16:31 <Pander> I hope a new release comes out real soon + a new FDOM
Dec 02 17:16:36 <Fougner> hehe
Dec 02 17:16:37 <Fougner> yeah
Dec 02 17:16:43 <Pander> I just build my first opkg this weekend
Dec 02 17:16:43 <Fougner> FDOM is the shit
Dec 02 17:16:49 <rooly> does the FR support gsm dialup in qt?
Dec 02 17:17:19 <Fougner> rooly, I've tried calling in qt-extended, 4.4.2 and it worked, from what I remember
Dec 02 17:17:38 <rooly> i'm trying, but it doesn't seem to be working
Dec 02 17:17:46 <Fougner> what happens?
Dec 02 17:18:09 <rooly> it quickly switches from 'offline' to 'pending' and right back
Dec 02 17:18:37 <Fougner> I'm curious about how to get my messages on the phone, and not on the SIM though
Dec 02 17:21:39 <nemik> dbus could do that i guess
Dec 02 17:25:35 <GNUtoo> hello,I  downloaded the openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 image...but there is no zhone?
Dec 02 17:26:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * rddd95420cdf8 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/input/ (input.plugin input.vala): Use get_device(), and remove hardcoding
Dec 02 17:34:13 <Fougner> GNUtoo, unlucky ;)
Dec 02 17:43:07 * Arthur_Dent kills Agrajag- 
Dec 02 17:46:01 <GNUtoo> Fougner, ???
Dec 02 17:46:15 <Fougner> GNUtoo, ???
Dec 02 17:46:30 <Tm_T> Fougner: GNUtoo: !!!
Dec 02 17:50:16 <GNUtoo> ok ok I install it with opkg
Dec 02 17:50:26 <Fougner> Tm_T, =D=D
Dec 02 17:50:44 <GNUtoo> but I wonder why there is no zhone...mabe I have choosen the wrong image
Dec 02 17:51:00 <GNUtoo> or is it deprecated in favor of some other program?
Dec 02 17:53:32 <ronny> GNUtoo: zhone is the fso testing program - its only in full fso images
Dec 02 17:53:45 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 02 17:54:08 <GNUtoo> so I've choosen the bad image...thanks
Dec 02 17:55:02 <slaxxin> non illume has zhone
Dec 02 17:56:41 <GNUtoo> ok thanks
Dec 02 18:10:37 <Deubeuliou> Hi
Dec 02 18:11:24 <Deubeuliou> If I want to use Qi and boot on an SD card, what do I have to do ?
Dec 02 18:11:59 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: how do you boot from NAND with it?
Dec 02 18:12:04 <Deubeuliou> I read Qi has no menu. So how can I force it to use the SD care ?
Dec 02 18:12:34 <Deubeuliou> I didn't managed, actually ... I used to, but now it doesn't work. I guessed I messed the nand menu
Dec 02 18:12:39 <Deubeuliou> *I guess
Dec 02 18:13:23 <Deubeuliou> So, if I want to boot on the SD card, I have to use the NAND ?
Dec 02 18:16:17 <lindi-> Deubeuliou: no, to change the settings you have to understand your current settings ;)
Dec 02 18:16:22 <lindi-> (I don't)
Dec 02 18:17:49 <Deubeuliou> on the wiki, it's not written how to change Qi's settings
Dec 02 18:18:33 <Deubeuliou> oh, sorry. It boots on the card by default ...
Dec 02 18:31:28 <Sargun_Screen> hello
Dec 02 18:41:48 <GNUtoo> hello, i don't understand what's going on...vala-terminal and openmoko-terminal2 seems the same...
Dec 02 18:42:18 <GNUtoo> before I had a different terminal but it stopped working after an update so i installed both
Dec 02 18:42:24 <GNUtoo> and they seems the same
Dec 02 18:43:36 <Fougner> :O
Dec 02 18:43:44 <Fougner> that's not possible :O
Dec 02 18:43:46 <Fougner> =D
Dec 02 18:44:29 <Ainulindale> GNUtoo: openmoko-terminal2 was renamed vala-terminal
Dec 02 18:44:38 <GNUtoo> ah ok...
Dec 02 18:55:04 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3b8acea05904 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260
Dec 02 18:57:33 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07stabilization/milestone4 * r4bc9d5ea4dd8 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/helpers.py: ogsmd: improve killall function, patch courtesy sdhillon. closes FSO ticket #260
Dec 02 19:30:35 <vininim> any reason why exposure is using 100% CPU?
Dec 02 19:30:54 <vininim> busy-waiting?
Dec 02 20:17:51 <Dave> Speedevil, I summon you!
Dec 02 20:18:13 * SpeedEvil arrives in a cloud of acid rain, and Dave dissolves.
Dec 02 20:18:38 <sicu> mohahaha
Dec 02 20:18:59 <Wonka> FAIL
Dec 02 20:19:44 <Tm_T> hmmmm
Dec 02 20:19:52 <Tm_T> maybe I have to do a bit casemodding
Dec 02 20:21:06 * Tm_T would love to have 2-3x more battery
Dec 02 20:22:45 <Dave> :O
Dec 02 20:22:57 <Dave> mokobatterypack!
Dec 02 20:23:21 <Tm_T> Dave: mm?
Dec 02 20:23:30 <Dave> Speedevil, any clues as to why I have a fix but my gpsdev spams tons of these lines with it? (it's abnormal) $GPTXT,01,01,01,NMEA unknown msg*58
Dec 02 20:23:41 <sicu> mokojetpack!
Dec 02 20:24:45 <sicu> launch that FR !
Dec 02 20:27:24 <Dave> holycow!
Dec 02 20:28:37 <holycow> hey!
Dec 02 20:34:02 <freqmod_qu> I upgraded FDOM to om 2008.testing and now i am trying to get the raster keyboard back. The only problem is that all the illume preferences icons are gone and i don't know how to get in to illume's preferences (modules etc). Does anybody know how to get in?
Dec 02 20:34:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rb1207efa9725 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
Dec 02 20:34:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: ousaged: org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend() now returns a value instead
Dec 02 20:34:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: of timing out (call did not return before the actual suspend was triggered).
Dec 02 20:34:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: As an inherent result, the suspend now occurs asynchronous.
Dec 02 20:34:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: This fixes FSO ticket #215.
Dec 02 20:44:07 * freqmod_qu found stuff on the wiki, but not on the illume keyboard page
Dec 02 20:49:52 <Dave> Speeeeeeeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeeeevil
Dec 02 20:50:02 <Fougner> Dave :D
Dec 02 20:51:12 <jonkristian> weee, things are happening:)
Dec 02 20:51:17 <jonkristian> DAVE
Dec 02 20:51:27 <jonkristian> Fougner: !
Dec 02 20:52:09 <cjb> I wonder when the android build will be worth running
Dec 02 20:52:13 <Fougner> jonkristian, what? what's happening? =D
Dec 02 20:53:23 <jonkristian> Community updates
Dec 02 20:53:23 <jonkristian> I haven't been active for a while
Dec 02 20:54:18 <jonkristian> and softkeyboard in android:)
Dec 02 20:54:50 <Fougner> :O
Dec 02 20:54:52 <Fougner> wow, really?
Dec 02 20:54:58 <Fougner> can you phone with and such?
Dec 02 20:54:59 <jonkristian> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/036054.html
Dec 02 20:55:29 <jonkristian> For Android: Walter Chang made a soft keyboard. Rui Castro implemented an OnScreen Keyboard. It was immediately included in Sean's image, to be released at the usual page without mp3 support soon.
Dec 02 20:55:35 <Fougner> jonkristian, where to find images of Android ?
Dec 02 20:55:44 <jonkristian> Might not be out just yet though
Dec 02 20:55:51 <Fougner> not at all? :|
Dec 02 20:56:05 <jonkristian> but it's pretty wicked
Dec 02 21:01:19 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd3299e92e30c 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py): 
Dec 02 21:01:19 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: ousaged: Preliminary implementation of org.freesmartphone.Usage.[Shutdown|Reboot]() -> ()
Dec 02 21:01:19 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: Send signal org.freesmartphone.Usage.SystemAction() before suspending, after resuming,
Dec 02 21:01:19 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: before shutting down, before rebooting. This fixes FSO ticket #287.
Dec 02 21:01:40 <GNUtoo> hello, I think I've found the reason why a lot of things doesn't cross-compile for the openmoko...the distros have libs that are too old...so is there another distro with newer libs...are there images of angstrom for the openmoko?
Dec 02 21:01:51 <GNUtoo> s/doesn't/don't
Dec 02 21:02:31 <GNUtoo> I'm shure they have good reason for keeping old libs...
Dec 02 21:05:18 <GNUtoo> but as the openmoko lacks a lot of apps...i use oe for cross-compiling them...(i needs apps such as xboard,emacs,newer libwebkit etc...) but wesnoth needed work to compile and some apps don't cross-compile such as emacs...mabe they will cross-compile with newer distro?
Dec 02 21:05:47 <bricode> cjb: It's coming.
Dec 02 21:06:45 <bricode> cjb: I'm testing the FR build of Android right now that's on git.koolu.org
Dec 02 21:09:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9e43362cc005 10/ (Makefile ousage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in): 
Dec 02 21:09:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: ousage: document org.freesmartphone.Usage.[Shutdown|Reboot|SystemAction]()
Dec 02 21:09:45 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: TODO: Regen docs
Dec 02 21:11:25 <slaxxin> has a heyboard?
Dec 02 21:12:25 <bricode> slaxxin: I've included Rui's keyboard.
Dec 02 21:12:35 <bricode> I'm building the image right now and haven't tested it yet.
Dec 02 21:12:48 <jonkristian> bricode: im all up for testing:)
Dec 02 21:13:03 <[Rui]> bricode: think it's useful? thanks :)
Dec 02 21:13:03 <bricode> jonkristian: How about building?
Dec 02 21:13:22 <jonkristian> well, im not yet familiar
Dec 02 21:13:27 <bricode> [Rui]: Seems to be a good leading candidate. I saw that Google wasn't too keen on it.
Dec 02 21:13:44 <jonkristian> oh, how come?
Dec 02 21:13:47 <bricode> jonkristian: There are problems with us actually distributing this image as it contains codecs.
Dec 02 21:13:54 <jonkristian> ah
Dec 02 21:14:09 <bricode> Google's working on a whole input framework that can be easily localized.
Dec 02 21:14:31 <bricode> That's in Q1, but we wanted people to play with Android before that on the Freerunner.
Dec 02 21:14:38 <jonkristian> :D
Dec 02 21:14:48 <jonkristian> bricode: instructions on building anywhere around?
Dec 02 21:15:28 <[Rui]> bricode: why?
Dec 02 21:15:29 <bricode> Also provide a way for people to build/make changes easily. Previously it was fairly difficult to build a usable toolchain, get the source, patch it,  build it, make an image, then flash it on the FR. 
Dec 02 21:15:37 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r42696e4986a8 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/ (generic.py resources.py): ousaged: refactor resource classes into seperate module
Dec 02 21:15:43 <bricode> [Rui]: Why to what?
Dec 02 21:15:50 <[Rui]> bricode: why? wheren't they keen on it?
Dec 02 21:16:39 <bricode> [Rui]: From http://review.source.android.com/3087 ...
Dec 02 21:16:48 <bricode> I don't know anything beyond that.
Dec 02 21:17:14 <[Rui]> bricode: just curious, because if they had suggestions I'd like to know, anything to get a better a keyboard :)
Dec 02 21:17:36 <[Rui]> bricode: oh you meant Rui Castro's :)
Dec 02 21:17:43 <[Rui]> bricode: sorry my confusion :)
Dec 02 21:18:05 <bricode> [Rui]: Sorry, I thought you were one and the same.
Dec 02 21:18:31 <[Rui]> bricode: np :) I did a keyboard for Om that's why I was curious :)
Dec 02 21:20:02 <woglinde> hi
Dec 02 21:20:21 <woglinde> which package I need for the keyboard on the freerunner?
Dec 02 21:40:13 <woglinde> raster which package do I need for the freerunner for the softkeyboard?
Dec 02 21:42:49 <Pander> raster: i'm working on a preinst script that will make a patch of your usage of a .dic file compared to the original .dic file, and apply that patch to the new version of a .dic file when a new opkg is being installed. this way, you will keep you personal usage and your personal additions to a .dic file.
Dec 02 21:42:50 <raster> wodwhich one?
Dec 02 21:42:56 <raster> woglinde: which one?
Dec 02 21:43:06 <woglinde> raster hm latest
Dec 02 21:43:21 <raster> woglinde:  which keyboard i mean
Dec 02 21:43:24 <raster> there's lots of them
Dec 02 21:43:29 <woglinde> zecke told me ilumne-config-ilumne to install
Dec 02 21:43:35 <woglinde> but thats enough
Dec 02 21:44:22 <raster> and whihc distro/os
Dec 02 21:44:28 <woglinde> om2008
Dec 02 21:44:43 <woglinde> ups not enough I meant
Dec 02 21:44:56 <raster> Pander:  why do that?
Dec 02 21:45:10 <Pander> the .dic file is being altered as you use it, correct?
Dec 02 21:45:21 <raster> no
Dec 02 21:45:25 <raster> the system on is untouched
Dec 02 21:45:30 <woglinde> raster I only need one softkeyboard so I can type in letters
Dec 02 21:45:38 <raster> ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic
Dec 02 21:45:41 <raster> is modified
Dec 02 21:45:46 <Pander> hmm, when I was browsing the code, I came across code writing .dic
Dec 02 21:45:50 <raster> it is an "overlay" on top of the system one
Dec 02 21:45:53 <raster> so new words
Dec 02 21:46:09 <raster> and existing words + new frequency values are written there
Dec 02 21:46:12 <raster> and saved
Dec 02 21:46:29 <Pander> OK, I thought that was in the original file. makes things easier for me
Dec 02 21:46:45 <raster> woglinde:  well illume has its own virtual veyboard built in all the time
Dec 02 21:46:53 <raster> you just need to enable it
Dec 02 21:47:00 <woglinde> raster and how can I activate it?
Dec 02 21:47:03 <raster> (and disable some other one if its being used)
Dec 02 21:47:18 <raster> well you could change theme so you get a "qwertyu" button
Dec 02 21:47:22 <raster> to activate it
Dec 02 21:47:30 <woglinde> hm
Dec 02 21:47:32 <woglinde> okay
Dec 02 21:47:40 <woglinde> is there a way from command line?
Dec 02 21:47:50 <raster> no
Dec 02 21:47:58 <woglinde> zecke somehow disabeld it in his specila image
Dec 02 21:48:00 <woglinde> *sigh*
Dec 02 21:48:04 <raster> oh wait
Dec 02 21:48:09 <raster> to change theme from cmd-line
Dec 02 21:48:14 <raster> or call kbd?
Dec 02 21:49:00 <woglinde> hm no kbd binary
Dec 02 21:49:03 <raster> Pander: nup. don't worry. i dont do stupid things like write to system files installed by packages from code - you have ~/.e/ for personal config and modifications
Dec 02 21:49:16 <raster> you can add more dictionaries in there not in packages
Dec 02 21:49:37 <raster> so any dic files in ~/.e/e/dicts/ override the system ones of the same name completely
Dec 02 21:49:51 <raster> also you can add more of them there withouth needing special packages
Dec 02 21:50:09 <raster> woglinde: kbd is built into the illume module
Dec 02 21:50:12 <raster> it isnt a binary that's run
Dec 02 21:50:13 <raster> :)
Dec 02 21:50:18 <woglinde> hms
Dec 02 21:50:22 <woglinde> hms
Dec 02 21:50:45 <raster> as such 2008.x should come with qtopia's keyboard though
Dec 02 21:50:51 <raster> (and thats inside the qpe binary)
Dec 02 21:50:55 <lindi-> portable keyboards would be nice ;)
Dec 02 21:50:56 <woglinde> yeah
Dec 02 21:51:03 <lindi-> (like xvkbd :P)
Dec 02 21:51:03 <raster> and should be automatically shown if the application sets a "i want a keyboard" hint
Dec 02 21:51:06 <woglinde> all apps has its own variant
Dec 02 21:51:14 <woglinde> but for my app it does not show up
Dec 02 21:51:15 <lindi-> xvkbd is standard since '94 or so ;)
Dec 02 21:51:23 <Pander> raster: I've packaged my .dic with license as an opkg. it has a special license BSD and/or CC so I think it has to be distributed seperately from e. or not? anyways, I'm looking for a distributor. enlightenment svn could be possible
Dec 02 21:51:26 <raster> you need to set a window property
Dec 02 21:51:35 <raster> that says "hey - i want a kbd"
Dec 02 21:51:48 <woglinde> raster ah
Dec 02 21:51:54 <woglinde> which one for e?
Dec 02 21:52:13 <woglinde> okay
Dec 02 21:52:19 <woglinde> will look into the doku my self
Dec 02 21:52:23 <woglinde> its a qt app
Dec 02 21:52:49 <lindi-> raster: is there any DM that supports that?
Dec 02 21:53:02 <raster> Pander: if it's bsd - it's compatible with e's license. we are bsd with advert clause (and advert clause has some really  lax exceptions so you dont need to advertise - just email authors or ship source (ala lgpl) to meet the advert requirements)
Dec 02 21:53:19 <raster> woglinde: what are you writign your app with?
Dec 02 21:53:34 <woglinde> raster it is already written
Dec 02 21:53:44 <woglinde> and linked against the qt
Dec 02 21:53:56 <raster> lindi-: wait too many thnigs at once :) dm as in gdm/kdm/xdm/entrance ?
Dec 02 21:54:09 <lindi-> raster: yes
Dec 02 21:54:21 <raster> qogok. then if you have an entry qt should ask for a kbd
Dec 02 21:54:33 <Pander> raster: the authors are behind me, they let me choose BSD or CC, as long as it can be made available as a separate opkg that mentions them as source they are fine with it
Dec 02 21:54:36 <raster> or well the qt that is built from qte on 2008.x
Dec 02 21:54:52 <raster> lindi-: a dm that has a vkbd?
Dec 02 21:55:01 <lindi-> raster: a dm that works with illume keyboard
Dec 02 21:55:20 <lindi-> raster: for example xvkbd is usable with xdm
Dec 02 21:55:33 <raster> Pander: well it's a file - it can always be made into a separate package\
Dec 02 21:55:45 <tifereth> anyone of you is using eric for python development?
Dec 02 21:56:04 <raster> the question is - do you ant ot installed by default form upstream source and packages - or maintained as a separate src tree and package
Dec 02 21:56:13 <raster> also note i likely will change dic format in the future
Dec 02 21:56:24 <raster> i'll of course need to provide a way to import dictionaries
Dec 02 21:56:45 <raster> lindi-: illume's kbd is part of illume
Dec 02 21:56:57 <raster> and illume is a module you dlopen() for e
Dec 02 21:57:02 <raster> so you cant run it on its own
Dec 02 21:57:02 <lindi-> raster: ok i take that as a no :)
Dec 02 21:57:16 <raster> it isnt a separate process - it's basically inside the enlightenment process
Dec 02 21:57:30 <raster> so... until e is running - illume's kbd isnt going to do much
Dec 02 21:57:36 <lindi-> :(
Dec 02 21:58:03 <lindi-> if I only had infinite extra time i'd write a similar standalone prog
Dec 02 21:59:38 <raster> hehehe
Dec 02 21:59:43 <raster> why do you want one for a dm anyway?
Dec 02 21:59:47 <raster> here is how i see it
Dec 02 21:59:53 <lindi-> to enter password? ;)
Dec 02 21:59:56 * freqmod_qu hate all the disable of softkeyboard things in the asu theme
Dec 02 21:59:59 <raster> devices like phones are inheernetly personal devices
Dec 02 22:00:02 <raster> they dont have more than 1 user
Dec 02 22:00:07 <freqmod_qu> anybody know how to get the settings icon to work?
Dec 02 22:00:11 <raster> so u dont need a login screen to determine the user
Dec 02 22:00:18 <Pander> On opkg.org are packages being offered as .opk and some as .ipk. What is the preferred extension?
Dec 02 22:00:22 <SpeedEvil> raster: do you happen to know if there is any new 03 hardware boards since the decision to upgrade the SoC?
Dec 02 22:00:23 <lindi-> raster: i might want to let people play around as guest
Dec 02 22:00:28 <lindi-> raster: i want to have rescue account
Dec 02 22:00:36 <lindi-> raster: i want to have account for doing online banking
Dec 02 22:00:40 <lindi-> raster: i want to have account that has sudo privs
Dec 02 22:00:57 <CIA-24> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r845873579b88 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: unset gsm-standard hooks on modems that offer special call progress URCs
Dec 02 22:00:57 <raster> might
Dec 02 22:01:06 <raster> but chances are - you won't
Dec 02 22:01:11 <raster> do you do that on your desktop?
Dec 02 22:01:17 <raster> doi you literally log out and back in
Dec 02 22:01:20 <raster> just to use sud?
Dec 02 22:01:21 <lindi-> raster: yeah
Dec 02 22:01:22 <raster> sudo?
Dec 02 22:01:28 <raster> or log outr and in just to go visit your bank?
Dec 02 22:01:36 <lindi-> raster: i have two X servers
Dec 02 22:01:36 <SpeedEvil> raster: I might want to give my 8 year old a FR, where I'm the owner.
Dec 02 22:01:44 <lindi-> raster: so no need to logout
Dec 02 22:02:00 <lindi-> raster: and besides i use vnc for everything so logout does not kill apps
Dec 02 22:02:01 <raster> sped i have no idea about gta03
Dec 02 22:02:04 <SpeedEvil> k
Dec 02 22:02:16 <raster> its an ever moving target
Dec 02 22:02:31 <raster> has been for nigh on a year
Dec 02 22:02:47 <lindi-> raster: i'm just saying that i would lose an essential part of debian if i couldn't use multiple users
Dec 02 22:03:00 <raster> lindi-: then the user can get back to your other sessioln and mess with it
Dec 02 22:03:02 <raster> as its stil there
Dec 02 22:03:04 <_charly_> hi, what's up with the fso-testing feeds? they aren't updated since a few weeks now
Dec 02 22:03:15 <lindi-> raster: guest user?
Dec 02 22:03:26 <lindi-> raster: yeah with guest user i of course need to logout/lock my normal user
Dec 02 22:03:34 <raster> i'm just saying that multiple-users imho for a phone is just not needed
Dec 02 22:03:40 <raster> or at least you dont NEED a DM
Dec 02 22:03:55 <lindi-> true, it's not absolute must
Dec 02 22:04:04 <raster> you simply need a way of launching a new x + new wm with a new login
Dec 02 22:04:12 <lindi-> but it makes a 'security password' much easier to implement
Dec 02 22:04:22 <raster> but you dont need a "no user is logged in you just powered up the phone and you run gdm"
Dec 02 22:04:23 <raster> mode
Dec 02 22:04:29 <raster> 1 user always gets logged in
Dec 02 22:04:46 <lindi-> sorry, i like my xdm login prompt :)
Dec 02 22:05:06 <raster> because you want to turn the thing on and use it
Dec 02 22:05:12 <raster> not have to neter a username
Dec 02 22:05:14 <raster> then password
Dec 02 22:05:23 <raster> then wait for half the system to keep "starting"
Dec 02 22:05:36 <raster> also a limited 128m ram is going to make life hard to keep 2 logins at once "Sane"
Dec 02 22:05:47 <Wonka> raster: autologin a default user or the last logged in user then?
Dec 02 22:05:55 <raster> you can have it secured by things like "lock on startup"
Dec 02 22:06:05 <raster> where the desktop just gets locked with your pin/pw
Dec 02 22:06:11 <lindi-> raster: two logins at once it bit exceptional yes
Dec 02 22:06:12 <raster> wm and everything is runing
Dec 02 22:06:17 <raster> just nothing is accessible
Dec 02 22:06:38 <lindi-> unless the lock app crashes :P
Dec 02 22:06:41 <raster> Wonka: then you dont need a "dm" and thus dont need tyhe vkbd in the dm
Dec 02 22:06:42 <raster> :)
Dec 02 22:06:54 <raster> lindi-:  and unless the DM crashes...
Dec 02 22:06:55 <raster> :)
Dec 02 22:07:09 <lindi-> if DM crashes you can't login :) it fails safely
Dec 02 22:07:12 <Wonka> raster: and how do you change logged in user then?
Dec 02 22:07:19 <raster> lindi-:  but then you have a useless device
Dec 02 22:07:30 <lindi-> raster: sure
Dec 02 22:07:38 <lindi-> raster: but same happens if wm crashes too?
Dec 02 22:07:40 <raster> Wonka: i'm wondering why you really want to
Dec 02 22:07:57 <raster> lindi-: in the case of e- it just restarts itself
Dec 02 22:08:06 <Pander> raster: do I need to sort the .dic file alphabetically?
Dec 02 22:08:07 <raster> and will go back to where it was before
Dec 02 22:08:07 <lindi-> raster: xdm has similar logic i think
Dec 02 22:08:08 <raster> :)
Dec 02 22:08:11 <lindi-> raster: it still can fail
Dec 02 22:08:17 <Wonka> raster: personally, i don't - but i can understand others wanting to
Dec 02 22:08:20 <raster> Pander:  yes
Dec 02 22:08:21 <lindi-> at least xdm restarts crashes X
Dec 02 22:08:26 <lindi-> s/es/ed/
Dec 02 22:08:26 <apt> lindi- meant: at least xdm redtarts crashes X
Dec 02 22:08:32 <lindi-> grr
Dec 02 22:08:51 <Wonka> xdm retards!
Dec 02 22:09:24 <Pander> raster: last question for today, the .dic file is in all lower case or is it case sensitive?
Dec 02 22:11:19 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the solution to the above problem.
Dec 02 22:11:48 * SpeedEvil used to use back in the day on a 12M laptop a module that checksummed RAM, and merged pages that were identical.
Dec 02 22:12:19 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 02 22:12:22 <SpeedEvil> http://mergemem.ist.org/
Dec 02 22:12:46 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: i would use asmutils
Dec 02 22:12:56 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: ?
Dec 02 22:12:57 <Sargun> Man, I can't wait until GTA 03
Dec 02 22:13:01 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: essential *nix binaries written in assembler
Dec 02 22:13:07 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: ah
Dec 02 22:13:08 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: they even have init, getty and a shell
Dec 02 22:13:15 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: saves a lot of memory
Dec 02 22:13:25 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: doesn't help so much for 7 xterms
Dec 02 22:13:30 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: true
Dec 02 22:13:33 <Sargun> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone < FR is 130 grams I thought? 
Dec 02 22:13:44 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: but it saves memory still
Dec 02 22:13:52 <SpeedEvil> lindi-: as can compressed RAM
Dec 02 22:14:17 <raster> lindi-: as such though - somethnig as simple as a desklock shouldnt crash... or a dm... :)
Dec 02 22:14:34 <lindi-> raster: but it does :)
Dec 02 22:14:42 <raster> Pander: it allows case and uses it - eg for names like John, but you should sort case-insensitve
Dec 02 22:14:46 <lindi-> if it is from SVN head of the project or something like that ;)
Dec 02 22:14:47 <raster> and matches are done cace-insensitve
Dec 02 22:15:20 <Pander> raster: Danke
Dec 02 22:15:51 <lindi-> raster: but in reality i'm just irritated that i can't use illume keyboard without changing my wm :)
Dec 02 22:16:08 <woglinde> lindi- hm
Dec 02 22:16:39 <woglinde> lindi- on the nokia nxx you cant use the softkeyboard for all apps too
Dec 02 22:18:24 <raster> lindi-:  hahahahaha
Dec 02 22:19:08 <raster> lindi-: well for me it's easier as part of e as i directly re-use infra in e but mostly it saves memory and resoruces as you dont have yet-another process to launch that does its own iunit, connects to x, loads its own data and theme/image files from disk itself
Dec 02 22:19:10 <raster> etc. etc.
Dec 02 22:19:16 <raster> (has its own stack, own heap)...
Dec 02 22:19:33 <lindi-> sure it's all about tradeoffs
Dec 02 22:26:07 <Sargun> Is the GTA 3 going to have USB 2?
Dec 02 22:26:19 <_charly_> hmm, strange, two people, two freerunners, two hardware revisions, one office, and one problem at the same time... both freerunners had such an empty battery that uboot refused to boot (booted both of them with nor boot, now they are charging at 1000mA)
Dec 02 22:26:36 <raster> spedthats an.. interesting module
Dec 02 22:27:10 <igor321> Sargun: no
Dec 02 22:27:11 <Sargun> RAW is neat.
Dec 02 22:27:20 <Sargun> igor321, why not? It's not on the chipset? 
Dec 02 22:27:30 <igor321> no it's not on the soc
Dec 02 22:27:34 <Sargun> Damnit.
Dec 02 22:27:40 <igor321> which is the same as in gta02's
Dec 02 22:27:47 <igor321> sorry to ruin your evening, man
Dec 02 22:27:49 <Sargun> I thought they are using a different SoC
Dec 02 22:28:10 <igor321> only if there was a drastic change of plans
Dec 02 22:28:11 <raster> SpeedEvil: interestring module
Dec 02 22:28:14 <raster> though old...
Dec 02 22:28:20 <raster> must not have been that useful
Dec 02 22:29:17 <Sargun> igor321, Yeah, different SoC, but no USB 2.0 until GTA04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03_revisions
Dec 02 22:29:18 <SpeedEvil> raster: it worked very well IME
Dec 02 22:29:43 <SpeedEvil> raster: some things get lost because of legitimate concerns of VM people that many users don't care about
Dec 02 22:30:06 <SpeedEvil> raster: for example - mergemem has potential security problems - by timing page faults, you can tell if your page has been duplicated
Dec 02 22:30:19 <raster> SpeedEvil: like slowdowns due to having something scanning for matching pages in the bg?
Dec 02 22:30:21 <SpeedEvil> raster: On a laptop, where I'm the only user, I don't care about that.
Dec 02 22:30:33 <SpeedEvil> raster: IME slowdowns were negative.
Dec 02 22:30:35 <raster> ooooh bollocks
Dec 02 22:30:37 <SpeedEvil> raster: due to lower swapping
Dec 02 22:30:51 <raster> sometimes that level of security insansity annoys me
Dec 02 22:31:08 <raster> so u can "infer" that some other process (user) may have that page duplicated
Dec 02 22:31:09 <raster> yes
Dec 02 22:31:18 <SpeedEvil> And if somethings out of tree, it doesn't get maintained, so if the originator loses interest, it dies.
Dec 02 22:31:18 <raster> man thats a leap imho security-wise
Dec 02 22:31:28 <raster> yeah
Dec 02 22:31:42 <raster> i wonder how many dups it'd find on your average om session
Dec 02 22:31:51 <raster> ie how much memory does it really save
Dec 02 22:32:58 <SpeedEvil> split -c4096 /proc/kcore;md5sum * |awk '{print $1}' |uniq|wc
Dec 02 22:33:00 <SpeedEvil> or something
Dec 02 22:33:58 <lindi-> uh :)
Dec 02 22:34:17 <lindi-> contents of kcore will change while you read it
Dec 02 22:34:52 <raster> yeah
Dec 02 22:35:02 <raster> but if al u are after isa "i wonder how many pages are duped"
Dec 02 22:35:05 <raster> as a ballpark
Dec 02 22:35:08 <raster> its good enough
Dec 02 22:35:54 * SpeedEvil realises that caching may do bad things. 
Dec 02 22:35:59 <SpeedEvil> Copy kcore first
Dec 02 22:37:32 <lindi-> disable interrupts, do it in kernel module </overkillmode>
Dec 02 22:38:29 <raster> hmm
Dec 02 22:38:41 <raster> what happened to .proc/kcore
Dec 02 22:38:43 <raster> its not there
Dec 02 22:38:54 <lindi-> .proc/kcore?
Dec 02 22:39:15 <vininim> "Overall, u-blox' fifth generation chip boasts a 50-channel architecture that enables satellite acquisition in less than 1 second and -160 dBm acquisition and tracking sensitivity" <- awesome, my room is at -150 average it seems
Dec 02 22:39:24 <raster>  /
Dec 02 22:39:28 <raster> typo
Dec 02 22:39:30 <raster> :)
Dec 02 22:41:17 <lindi-> true, it's missing here too
Dec 02 22:41:18 <SpeedEvil> raster: don't you have to enable it at compile
Dec 02 22:41:40 <raster> SpeedEvil: never seen it disabled
Dec 02 22:41:41 <raster> :)
Dec 02 22:42:32 <SpeedEvil> s/enable/not disable/
Dec 02 22:42:33 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: raster: don't you have to not disable it at compile
Dec 02 22:43:17 <raster> hmm damn
Dec 02 22:43:34 <raster> and /dev/mem and /dev/kmem are bing uncooperative with cat
Dec 02 22:43:37 <raster> and wc
Dec 02 22:43:40 <raster> ...
Dec 02 22:45:07 <quatrox|zzZzzzzz>  /me wonders how much voltage an uSDHC card can handle
Dec 02 22:45:26 <lindi->  /me takes cover
Dec 02 22:45:27 <SpeedEvil> quatrox|zzZzzzzz: over 9000!
Dec 02 22:45:32 <SpeedEvil> quatrox|zzZzzzzz: or 3.3V or so.
Dec 02 22:45:36 <SpeedEvil> quatrox|zzZzzzzz: optionally lower
Dec 02 22:46:23 <SpeedEvil> optionally on the cards behalf.
Dec 02 22:46:28 <quatrox> SpeedEvil: is 3.3 V max?
Dec 02 22:46:40 <SpeedEvil> Quadduc: 3.3V with tollerance
Dec 02 22:46:47 <SpeedEvil> quatrox: so prolly 3.3+.33
Dec 02 22:46:56 <quatrox> ahh
Dec 02 22:47:24 <quatrox> I ask because I want to do some tests
Dec 02 22:49:00 * quatrox wonders if his SDHC cards don't like his GTA02
Dec 02 22:49:53 * SpeedEvil finds ext2 performance sucks after creating 30K or so 4K files.
Dec 02 22:50:19 <quatrox> that is not so strange
Dec 02 22:50:25 <Sargun> Ouch
Dec 02 22:50:32 <Sargun> I should put away my laser before I blind myself.
Dec 02 22:50:34 <SpeedEvil> Actually - it's still doing 100/sec - which isn't too bad.
Dec 02 22:50:42 <Sargun> I have a giant purple blotch in the middle of my vision
Dec 02 22:50:54 <SpeedEvil> Sargun: what colour laser?
Dec 02 22:51:05 <Sargun> Green.
Dec 02 22:51:16 <SpeedEvil> Sargun: you need to use a blue laser to counter that.
Dec 02 22:51:19 <Sargun> I was etching stuff into the back of my FR.
Dec 02 22:51:23 <quatrox> complementary colours
Dec 02 22:51:49 <Sargun> SpeedEvil, 125mw fusion from Wicked Lasers.
Dec 02 22:52:03 <quatrox> hmmm
Dec 02 22:52:33 <quatrox> Sargun: 125mW? Sounds very powerful
Dec 02 22:53:05 <SpeedEvil> Sargun: ow.
Dec 02 22:53:19 <SpeedEvil> Sargun: actually into your eye? Or just reflections?
Dec 02 22:53:38 <SpeedEvil> 125mw is in the range or prompt sight damage.
Dec 02 22:54:20 * SpeedEvil wants a 125Mw laser pointer.
Dec 02 22:54:34 <Sargun> no
Dec 02 22:54:42 <Sargun> There is very little reflection
Dec 02 22:54:48 <Sargun> but it still hurts quite a bit
Dec 02 22:55:06 <SpeedEvil> green welding goggles can work very well.
Dec 02 22:55:27 <SpeedEvil> I've got a pair and if I stare direclty into a 10mW red laser beam, all I see is the very faint green emission.
Dec 02 22:55:34 <Sargun> yeah, I'm getting new goggles soon
Dec 02 22:55:35 * ^wd^ has 100mW green and 200mW red
Dec 02 22:55:41 <^wd^> cool toys :)
Dec 02 22:55:59 <Sargun> 200 mw red? That must eat through whatever it hits.
Dec 02 22:56:10 <Sargun> wait, is the FR arm, or armeB?
Dec 02 22:56:34 <quatrox> Sargun: It would be better more dangerous if it where blue
Dec 02 22:56:51 <Sargun> Blue lasers are very expensive.
Dec 02 22:57:08 * quatrox knows
Dec 02 22:57:33 <Sargun> I'd like one
Dec 02 22:57:46 <vininim> How does one enable terminal keyboard on om-daily?
Dec 02 22:57:56 <vininim> (Sliding doesn't cycle to it)
Dec 02 22:58:28 <quatrox> Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission Radiation (LASER) is easy to make
Dec 02 22:58:33 <quatrox> but ...
Dec 02 22:58:40 <quatrox> still very expensive
Dec 02 22:59:05 * SpeedEvil keeps meaning to set up a gimballed laser pointer.
Dec 02 22:59:13 <vininim> oh illume-config (asking on irc really boost one's wiki search capabilities =P)
Dec 02 22:59:16 <^wd^> 200mW laser fuse black (dark) plastic
Dec 02 22:59:17 <SpeedEvil> Pointed at ISS when it comed over in the dark
Dec 02 22:59:26 <SpeedEvil> so I can see myself as a dot on NASA TV
Dec 02 22:59:53 <Wonka> »A Class 3B laser is hazardous if the eye is exposed directly, but diffuse reflections such as from paper or other matte surfaces are not harmful. Continuous lasers in the wavelength range from 315 nm to far infrared are limited to 0.5 W.«
Dec 02 23:00:43 <quatrox> hmm
Dec 02 23:00:53 <^wd^> reflections from 200mW sleep eyes for time
Dec 02 23:00:57 <quatrox> I played with a 5 W LASER
Dec 02 23:01:10 <^wd^> 5W ?
Dec 02 23:01:13 <quatrox> yeah
Dec 02 23:01:14 <^wd^> WANT!
Dec 02 23:01:52 <quatrox> It wasn't mine
Dec 02 23:02:00 <Wonka> i saw a 450W laser once...
Dec 02 23:02:01 <quatrox> too expensive
Dec 02 23:02:04 <quatrox> wow
Dec 02 23:02:05 <Wonka> and what it did to a brick
Dec 02 23:02:38 <Wonka> but you'd need a forklift to move it
Dec 02 23:03:17 * quatrox is happy as long as the LASER is strong enough to read his bootable FSF membership card
Dec 02 23:03:38 <quatrox> (or any other CD)
Dec 02 23:04:54 <^wd^> btw, in dvdrw used 250mW red laser
Dec 02 23:05:23 <quatrox> hmm
Dec 02 23:05:45 <quatrox> then I will collect some old burners
Dec 02 23:05:51 <Dave> What's going down ya'll?
Dec 02 23:06:18 <quatrox> ...and focus the beams
Dec 02 23:06:27 <quatrox> from many LASERs
Dec 02 23:06:40 <viq> focus the beans!
Dec 02 23:06:46 <viq> </random>
Dec 02 23:07:06 <Sargun> should it piss me off that the WiFi is faster than the USB? 
Dec 02 23:07:20 <quatrox> no
Dec 02 23:07:41 <quatrox> Sargun: be happy that the WiFi is fast
Dec 02 23:07:55 <^wd^> for focus laser from burner u can use native head :)
Dec 02 23:08:21 <quatrox> hmm
Dec 02 23:10:00 * quatrox wants an 200W UV LASER right outside his door so he don't need keys
Dec 02 23:10:18 <quatrox> (no need to lock the door then)
Dec 02 23:10:46 <^wd^> no one need to lock then :)
Dec 02 23:10:49 <Sargun> HAha
Dec 02 23:11:10 <Sargun> anyone who walks in would begin getting burned
Dec 02 23:11:18 <Sargun> I think they would notice the giant laser.
Dec 02 23:11:53 <quatrox> They might hear the fans
Dec 02 23:12:39 <Sargun> or see the giant cooling towers?
Dec 02 23:13:04 <quatrox> you mean the water cooling system?
Dec 02 23:13:27 <quatrox> hmm
Dec 02 23:13:35 <quatrox> nice way to get hot water
Dec 02 23:31:09 <Dave> unrooly
Dec 02 23:31:22 <rooly> sir yes sir!
Dec 02 23:35:33 <anttna> light oscillation through stimulated emission of radiation LOSER
Dec 02 23:36:01 <anttna> just thought i'd be correct about how it works
Dec 02 23:36:06 <anttna> sorry
Dec 02 23:36:40 <rooly> then...where's the a come from???
Dec 02 23:37:17 <quatrox> anttna: actually, it is just standing waves
Dec 02 23:37:32 <quatrox> to put it in simple English
Dec 02 23:37:35 <anttna> loser was deemed to not be a cool name for physcists to be throwing about so it was changed to laser it is kinda right 
Dec 02 23:38:02 <rooly> sharks with freakin loser beams attached to their freakin heads
Dec 02 23:38:17 <anttna> rool: :D
Dec 02 23:38:27 <anttna> rooly: :D
Dec 02 23:38:57 <quatrox> apt: Grab a LOSER and distroy!
Dec 02 23:39:21 <anttna> i think they made the right call renaming it
Dec 02 23:39:57 <quatrox> they current name is not incorrect
Dec 02 23:40:00 <quatrox> :)
Dec 02 23:41:15 <rooly> Light oscillAtion through Stimulated Emission of Radiation
Dec 02 23:42:06 <Sargun> LASERS!
Dec 02 23:42:23 * quatrox remembers he had to calculate doping for LASER on a test some years ago
Dec 02 23:42:45 <anttna> sargun: lol
Dec 02 23:44:18 <anttna> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/ApplePie
Dec 02 23:45:37 <anttna> can you cook Sargun?
Dec 02 23:46:19 * SpeedEvil ponders Sargun fritters.
Dec 02 23:46:39 <Sargun> Yes, why?
Dec 02 23:46:49 <quatrox> apt: cook Sargun
Dec 02 23:46:50 * apt throws Sargun in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Sargun on 350 for an hour
Dec 02 23:46:54 <Sargun> My laser can barely cook.
Dec 02 23:47:05 <anttna> openmoko pie
Dec 02 23:49:14 <anttna> i flashed daily testing om earlier but couldn't network over usb. Has anyone else tried?
Dec 02 23:51:45 <vininim> anttna: rebooting usually works
Dec 02 23:52:07 <vininim> I have daily-20081201 working here fine
Dec 02 23:52:16 <anttna> no tried that but flashed shr and still no joy so it is something else
Dec 02 23:52:28 <anttna> doesn't see usb0
Dec 02 23:52:51 <vininim> might be some configuration issue in host?
Dec 02 23:53:38 <anttna> then if I try it again I get this RTNETLINK answers: File exists
Dec 02 23:59:14 <quatrox> anttna: make sure no other usb devices is connected to your computer:)
Dec 02 23:59:14 <quatrox> I always forget to disconnect my other phone
Dec 02 23:59:14 <quatrox> which does not provide ssh....
Dec 02 23:59:18 <quatrox> so I always think the FR USB does not work...
Dec 03 00:01:41 <anttna> my fault it's working now. ugh i changed to default shr is it possible to get back to illume? 
Dec 03 00:12:10 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> default shr?
Dec 03 00:12:21 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> you mean Illume SHR
Dec 03 00:12:23 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> ?
Dec 03 00:14:12 <Fougner> :D
Dec 03 00:14:15 <Fougner> hello everyone
Dec 03 00:14:18 <Fougner> Dave, !!!! :D
Dec 03 00:14:48 <pieterc> hi fougnerr!!!!
Dec 03 00:15:14 <Fougner> haha, hi pieterc 
Dec 03 00:15:19 <pieterc> ;)
Dec 03 00:15:22 <anttna> yes i'm trying to remember the options i picked illumeto after flashing then change to default and I can't see a way to change back
Dec 03 00:16:13 <anttna> sorry i didn't read throught that > i'm trying to remember the options, i picked illume after flashing then change to default and I can't see a way to change back
Dec 03 00:17:32 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> hmm
Dec 03 00:17:50 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> try to delete ~/.e
Dec 03 00:18:28 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> mv ~/.e ~/.e_
Dec 03 00:18:46 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> then reboot
Dec 03 00:18:52 <anttna> will do thx
Dec 03 00:19:15 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> not sure if it helps - just guessing
Dec 03 00:19:42 <pieterc> hah, i liked the idea of putting the gnuboy screenshot on the mainpage of the wiki ;)
Dec 03 00:19:49 <pieterc> (though it was my screenshot)
Dec 03 00:19:51 <pieterc> thanks coolcat
Dec 03 00:20:03 <pieterc> damn you all who edited it back to the image it was;)
Dec 03 00:23:27 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> pieterc: what exactly is gnuboy?
Dec 03 00:23:41 <pieterc> a gameboy emulator
Dec 03 00:23:58 <pieterc> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/gnuboy
Dec 03 00:24:01 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> cool
Dec 03 00:25:58 <pieterc> yea it is
Dec 03 00:26:05 <pieterc> but i still got some problems using sdl ...
Dec 03 00:26:19 <pieterc> and since i'm not that experienced i don't manage to compile it anyway
Dec 03 00:26:28 <pieterc> but Thomas Bertani can compile it;)
Dec 03 00:26:46 <pieterc> I know c++ though
Dec 03 00:27:11 <pieterc> but i don't get it how you can use the touch screen in sdl for buttons ...
Dec 03 00:27:17 <pieterc> neither the accelerometers...
Dec 03 00:27:28 <pieterc> and i wanted to turn the screen using xrand
Dec 03 00:27:36 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> gcc -lsdl
Dec 03 00:27:40 <pieterc> and change the resolution (makes it run faster-
Dec 03 00:27:41 <pieterc> )
Dec 03 00:27:54 <pieterc> yeah, returns errors;)
Dec 03 00:28:03 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> ahh
Dec 03 00:28:38 <pieterc> I guess i might be retarted;)
Dec 03 00:29:07 <pieterc> and i should be playing pokémon instead of trying to compile gnuboy
Dec 03 00:29:07 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> welcome to the club:)
Dec 03 00:29:16 <pieterc> :D
Dec 03 00:29:22 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> everybody can get errors
Dec 03 00:29:28 <anttna> can any one tell me how to get a keyboard when using default on shr. Do I just reflash?
Dec 03 00:29:51 <pieterc> don't use default?
Dec 03 00:30:00 <pieterc> that's for desktop pc's i guess..
Dec 03 00:30:04 <pieterc> you should use illume
Dec 03 00:30:11 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> I never found kbd on default
Dec 03 00:30:12 <anttna> i see
Dec 03 00:30:53 <anttna> oh well it gives me an excuse to try om daily
Dec 03 00:30:55 <pieterc> otherwise... if you rly want to use default you could try to install the matchbox keyboard?
Dec 03 00:31:26 <anttna> i selected default to see what it was like 
Dec 03 00:31:31 <pieterc> (actually, i like the matchbox keyboard the most... screw the illume ones;))
Dec 03 00:31:38 <pieterc> :)
Dec 03 00:31:52 <Fougner> BAH!
Dec 03 00:31:54 <Fougner> SHR shit
Dec 03 00:31:55 <Fougner> =(
Dec 03 00:31:59 <Fougner> no offence
Dec 03 00:32:06 <Fougner> I'm shit.. probably
Dec 03 00:32:19 <pieterc> haha
Dec 03 00:32:24 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> the default kbd in SHR (the illume kbd?) is not bad
Dec 03 00:32:37 <anttna> speaking of keyboards I was watching train wreck on youtube he really didn't like fr very much
Dec 03 00:32:47 <pieterc> no he didn't
Dec 03 00:32:50 <pieterc> but that's normal
Dec 03 00:33:02 <pieterc> it isn't a finalised product
Dec 03 00:33:02 <SpeedEvil> FR, as a phone - is basically broken at the moment.
Dec 03 00:33:07 <pieterc> fact
Dec 03 00:33:16 <Fougner> haha stupid boy, thought FR was able to compete with an iPhone xD
Dec 03 00:33:21 <SpeedEvil> It may be heading towards less broken, but only someone rather strange would claim it's a fully working phone.
Dec 03 00:33:52 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> fr is a cool stk
Dec 03 00:34:09 <Fougner> SpeedEvil, is there a way to get the SMS on the NAND of SD instead of the SIM?
Dec 03 00:34:19 <SpeedEvil> Fougner: sorry - no idea
Dec 03 00:34:23 <Fougner> oh
Dec 03 00:35:00 <Fougner> OH GOD I wish people can get some structure on this whole project
Dec 03 00:35:17 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> They are!!!!!
Dec 03 00:35:25 <Fougner> :O
Dec 03 00:35:27 <Fougner> really? =D
Dec 03 00:35:37 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> yes
Dec 03 00:35:52 <Fougner> oooh, lack of information
Dec 03 00:35:57 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> but there is not __that__ many dev folks
Dec 03 00:36:10 <Fougner> I don't want to complain, but, really, the community can help a lot :O
Dec 03 00:36:23 <Fougner> I don't see you people are so lazy =P
Dec 03 00:36:51 <Fougner> I mean, a lot of us "non programmers" would probably be able to do a lot of stuf
Dec 03 00:36:52 <Fougner> stuff*
Dec 03 00:37:00 <Fougner> that's what I wish for, anyway
Dec 03 00:37:02 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> I work 12-14 hours a day... little time
Dec 03 00:37:22 <Fougner> quatrox|zZzzzZzz, I don't blame anyone
Dec 03 00:37:31 <Fougner> =)
Dec 03 00:38:36 <Fougner> but one thing that would be good, a more structured way for the "customers" to get info..I know FR is for developers, but hey
Dec 03 00:38:38 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> no prob.
Dec 03 00:38:52 <Fougner> oh, I mean, I could do UI design =D
Dec 03 00:39:01 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> I hope to get more time for fr
Dec 03 00:39:01 <pieterc> I like the way it is actually
Dec 03 00:39:08 <pieterc> a small open source community :)
Dec 03 00:39:09 <pieterc> It's nice;)
Dec 03 00:39:26 <Fougner> wooh, OM has potential, I don't want it to be small
Dec 03 00:39:33 <pieterc> And in 10 years this project will be better than any project;)
Dec 03 00:40:06 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> I6 years
Dec 03 00:40:15 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> 6 years
Dec 03 00:40:18 <pieterc> Ok.. le's make it a bet;)
Dec 03 00:40:21 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> not 10
Dec 03 00:40:30 <Fougner> guys
Dec 03 00:40:36 <Fougner> I think is rather 3 or something :P
Dec 03 00:40:45 <Fougner> at least I hope so
Dec 03 00:40:48 <pieterc> I bet a GTA06 on 10 years;)
Dec 03 00:40:50 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> 3 what?
Dec 03 00:40:54 <Fougner> anyway, at least one good thing, for my eyes, "we should be developing apps, able to run on GTA03, not for FR only"
Dec 03 00:40:56 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> months?
Dec 03 00:40:58 <Fougner> haha
Dec 03 00:41:00 <Fougner> funnyu
Dec 03 00:42:06 <anttna> i think i just bricked it :S i tried to flash but I set usb mode while plugged in to the usb cable rather than setting it first and then plugging it in, tried to flash it and got a message which i missed now no response from the phone "ah"
Dec 03 00:43:08 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> you did not brick it
Dec 03 00:43:29 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> hold aux and push power
Dec 03 00:43:34 <anttna> ok panic over battery out and in and its working
Dec 03 00:43:34 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> enter nor
Dec 03 00:43:44 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> ahh
Dec 03 00:43:47 <quatrox|zZzzzZzz> good
Dec 03 00:43:53 <anttna> phew
Dec 03 01:20:16 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4842 10/developers/werner/wlan-trial/ (Makefile wlan-trial.init wlan-trial.myroot): 
Dec 03 01:20:16 <CIA-24> openmoko: - wlan-trial.myroot: added bind-utils and nano
Dec 03 01:20:16 <CIA-24> openmoko: - wlan-trial.myroot, wlan-trial.init, Makefile: provide detailed kernel version
Dec 03 01:20:16 <CIA-24> openmoko:  information, including git and quilt status
Dec 03 01:21:14 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r4843 10/developers/werner/myroot/werner.myroot: A fairy has put bind-utils in the feed ;-)
Dec 03 01:34:14 <Sargun> man.
Dec 03 01:34:52 <Dave> Yes.
Dec 03 01:55:07 <kd8ikt> heh werner
Dec 03 01:55:18 <kd8ikt> bind-utils
Dec 03 01:55:31 <kd8ikt> that guy is funny
Dec 03 01:55:45 <Sargun> ?
Dec 03 01:56:41 <kd8ikt> dont you read what the CIA-24 bot says?
Dec 03 02:29:51 <djinn> hi all
Dec 03 02:29:57 <djinn> i have a question 
Dec 03 02:30:50 <Dave> Yes, Mr. Djinn?
Dec 03 02:31:13 <djinn> hi dave
Dec 03 02:31:29 <djinn> i was wondering if j2me is available for openmoko
Dec 03 02:31:59 <Dave> I use Jalimo's JVM for openmoko.
Dec 03 02:32:04 <Dave> For the most part it works well.
Dec 03 02:32:28 <djinn> Dave: ?? works well
Dec 03 02:32:43 <Dave> Yeah
Dec 03 02:32:52 <Dave> Judge for yourself :)
Dec 03 02:32:54 <Dave> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/OpenMoko
Dec 03 02:41:37 <djinn> Dave: does it come packaged for openmoko
Dec 03 02:42:23 <Dave> Yes
Dec 03 02:42:26 <ieatlint> hey dave
Dec 03 02:42:27 <Dave> Look in their repository
Dec 03 02:42:33 <Dave> it may be listed as cacao
Dec 03 02:42:39 <Dave> which is the actual jvm, I believe
Dec 03 02:43:16 <Dave> lint!
Dec 03 02:43:43 <ieatlint> how goes it?
Dec 03 02:44:50 <Dave> I was reminiscing about lib☃ the other day. :)
Dec 03 02:57:49 <ieatlint> ah, yes
Dec 03 02:57:56 <ieatlint> sorry, i ran out to get something to drink
Dec 03 02:58:01 <Dave> :)
Dec 03 02:58:18 <ieatlint> yeah, i ended up rewriting it after deciding the code was too difficult to maintain
Dec 03 02:59:02 <ieatlint> i also ditched libsoup for libcurl since libsoup was too damned annoying and had versioning issues with half of people on v2.2 and the other half 2.4
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