**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 21 02:59:57 2008 Dec 21 03:02:03 9.02 disk 2 Dec 21 03:06:20 Random question. Is there an eeepc channel? Dec 21 03:07:52 9.07 disk 3 Dec 21 03:10:01 ubuntu cant hold a candle to slackware on install time Dec 21 03:10:56 9.11 config Dec 21 03:15:03 cd3 out Dec 21 03:15:08 reboot Dec 21 03:15:15 9.15 Dec 21 03:18:34 9.18 booted Dec 21 03:18:40 faaaaast Dec 21 03:19:17 18 minuits to full install that is impressive Dec 21 03:20:28 On OM? Dec 21 03:20:51 just a desktop install Dec 21 03:21:26 id like to see somebody make armdslack run on om Dec 21 03:33:39 im wrong 28 minuits Dec 21 04:18:43 anyone got remoko working with om2008.12 ? Dec 21 04:19:57 also how do i get the qwerty icon in the top left corner? Dec 21 04:27:04 jonsmith1982: Have you tried ReMoko yet? Is it good? Dec 21 04:27:19 I'm still waiting on my USB bluetooth receiver to arrive. :P Dec 21 04:28:44 Digital_Pioneer, no i haven't tried until now. should be good though. Dec 21 04:28:54 Yeah. Dec 21 04:29:34 I've been looking for a wireless mouse for a good deal, then I got my Freerunner, heard about ReMoko, and now I'm not so interested in a wireless mouse. :P Dec 21 04:33:42 i bought a wireless mouse and keyboard about 6 months ago for around £100 Dec 21 04:34:18 battery life was quite poor so i switched back. Dec 21 04:34:47 bluetooth mouse and keyboard Dec 21 04:37:12 Yeah. Well, remoko should work in 3D anyways, so it slaughters the wireless mouse market. Hehehe Dec 21 04:37:29 Keyboards are a different matter, but I don't intend to use Remoko as a keyboard. Dec 21 04:38:14 So would someone care to guess why loading apps from GUI in SHR is so slow? If I run them from an SSH terminal, it's perfectly snappy. Dec 21 05:19:26 Anyone know how to get to the symbols/punctuation screen in QWO? Dec 21 05:30:18 Oh, wow... QWO is crazy! But I can see how it would be much better once you're used to it. Dec 21 05:30:28 Kinda like learning CLI. :D Dec 21 06:48:06 wonder why i wasnt here Dec 21 06:58:01 hm... i cant work out how to shut down. jolly new fangled images >.> Dec 21 07:00:56 ah, the power button. who'd a thunk it. Dec 21 07:01:07 lol Dec 21 07:03:09 :p Dec 21 07:51:36 pugging my headphones in the freerunner brang up the turn on the gps dialogue. Dec 21 07:52:18 such an akward sentence for an awkward computation. Dec 21 07:52:22 awkward Dec 21 07:57:24 Hahaha Dec 21 08:56:24 does anyone here speak japanese? Dec 21 09:15:48 hi Dec 21 09:17:50 how can I make bluetooth visible to my laptop? I can "see" the laptop's bluetooth on the freerunner. but not the freerunner bluetooth on the laptop. any ideas? Dec 21 09:49:55 is anybody in here trying to get android getting to work on the freerunner? Dec 21 10:00:09 what is up with OM and mp3? Dec 21 10:00:52 mplayer is compiled with support for mp3 playback Dec 21 10:01:20 would be better to use ogg Dec 21 10:02:48 should I create a bug report for it Dec 21 10:02:53 ? Dec 21 10:34:16 qwo got the character ordering all wrong... Dec 21 10:38:19 any idea if its possible to detect a DBUS message transmission (any bus) ..from within the kernel ? Dec 21 10:38:29 ashbert_: no? Dec 21 10:38:50 i'd imagine since its IPC .. it should be a socket sys call ? Dec 21 10:38:52 ashbert_: i mean surely you can but it is not the business of kernel Dec 21 10:41:52 yes, i understand the reasons .. but im trying to find an alternative to tainting data Dec 21 10:43:38 briefly, i need to know if a key scan code (input event) goes to expected applications in userspace Dec 21 10:44:16 eg. with qtopia, QPE receives the scan codes ..then does an IPC and sends it to Qtmail Dec 21 10:44:41 in the kernel, somehow i need to know/verify that the scan codes go to Qtmail Dec 21 10:45:03 i can authenticate QPE, coz its task_struct is available in the read call on the input device Dec 21 10:45:51 ashbert_: no Dec 21 10:46:33 you need a keyboard daemon Dec 21 10:46:44 any others suggestions ? Dec 21 10:46:48 meaning ? Dec 21 10:47:02 a service Dec 21 10:47:40 you mean as a separate process ? Dec 21 10:47:46 yes Dec 21 10:48:23 pardon me, i dont think i see how that helps the kernel know who reads off the k/b daemon Dec 21 10:48:36 something in /etc/init.d Dec 21 10:48:55 well Dec 21 10:49:06 the kernel should not know Dec 21 10:49:14 and don't care Dec 21 10:49:34 that is where the deamon comes in Dec 21 10:50:03 yes i agree with that completely, but here's the thing .. Dec 21 10:50:39 consider a system thats been exploited .. and malware tries to send out SMS's continuosly Dec 21 10:51:31 hw -> kernel dev -> daemon dev -> app Dec 21 10:51:36 so the idea is to make sure that a human intends to send out the SMS Dec 21 10:51:56 ohh Dec 21 10:52:05 and to do that, im thinking of using the k/b interrupt as an indication Dec 21 10:52:21 ahh Dec 21 10:52:48 therefore i need a way to follow the scan codes through the apps Dec 21 10:53:07 why? Dec 21 10:53:24 malware would mess that up Dec 21 10:53:27 so that at egress, i can check if the SMS started off with a k/b inttertupt Dec 21 10:53:58 not really, simple crypto techniques will solve that Dec 21 10:54:07 hmm Dec 21 10:54:13 poor kernel Dec 21 10:55:12 hmm i know, it goes against the design principles, but i think its interesting ... might just work with minimal overheads Dec 21 10:55:58 why not just fetch raw kbd code and compare? Dec 21 10:56:17 ioctl()? Dec 21 10:57:58 well, i dont want to modify userspace apps, and besides, they'd be untrusted Dec 21 10:58:19 yes Dec 21 10:58:35 that was my point with a daemon Dec 21 10:59:48 hey, I'll try it here once again before I ask the mailinglist. ;) whats the trick on getting the qwerty button and illume keyboard on OM 2008.12. The old howto wont do it anymore for me. Dec 21 11:00:04 hmm, well, like i said, i dont think that'll help ... Dec 21 11:01:10 the daemon can get raw data from Linux Dec 21 11:01:51 and Dec 21 11:02:24 but, gtg Dec 21 11:02:29 good luck Dec 21 11:05:16 ashbert_ wouldn't your idea prevent users from sending massmails at all? What if I WANT a SMS to be sended to 3 ppl at once? or am I missing something? Dec 21 11:05:40 winter starts in just 59min... yay Dec 21 11:07:47 what? it didn't start yet? Dec 21 11:07:53 * Mononoke throws snowball at ieatlint Dec 21 11:09:47 it starts at 12:04 GMT Dec 21 11:10:52 and i'd be impressed if you found a snowball to throw here... i don't think it's snowed here since the 70s Dec 21 11:18:12 ieatlint, how can you survive a winter without snow? :o Dec 21 11:18:28 beer Dec 21 11:18:51 the sollution to all worlds problems... Dec 21 11:19:32 indeed... even the bad beer problems, which can be solved by good beer Dec 21 11:22:31 muxe: try changing asu to illume in /etc/enlightment/default_profile and restart X Dec 21 12:03:07 ahoi Dec 21 13:33:49 [21:01] * bumbl_ is now known as bumbl Dec 21 13:34:25 [21:09] * bumbl_ is now known as bumbl Dec 21 13:34:42 wow, how do you do this ? ;-) Dec 21 13:36:59 DocScrutinizer2: you missed joins/parts? Dec 21 13:38:01 seems xchat filters them out. Good!! Dec 21 14:14:43 hi ho Dec 21 15:46:03 is there an mando diao easter egg in shr? Dec 21 15:46:12 i recived an sms and now i see an information screen Dec 21 15:46:31 with some mando diau lyrics Dec 21 15:46:32 O_o Dec 21 15:47:04 i'm really blaffed now Dec 21 15:50:44 tifereth: what? :-) Dec 21 15:50:52 I'd doubt that :-) Dec 21 15:50:59 ahah Dec 21 15:51:00 quickdev Dec 21 15:51:14 that funny guy that puts easter egg into phonegui Dec 21 15:51:31 I seriously doubt he did Dec 21 15:51:41 :-O Dec 21 15:51:44 i'm gonna ask Dec 21 15:52:01 before i recived the sms i saw something like no more space Dec 21 15:52:10 perhaps this is the content of the sms Dec 21 15:52:11 Do you use unstable? Dec 21 15:52:24 yes Dec 21 15:52:55 there's no easter egg in that one that I know about Dec 21 15:53:20 perhaps i'm gonna search through the src Dec 21 15:53:28 http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree;f=libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/src;h=a909c79f81384c6a9c7df69cddf8c8962bafc855;hb=HEAD Dec 21 15:53:30 or for you Dec 21 15:53:32 feel free to. Dec 21 15:53:42 it is an easter egg to see SHR works? :D Dec 21 15:54:02 And if it's an easter egg, I'll spank quickdev, but I doubt that. Dec 21 15:54:55 so seems like the string isn't in the source Dec 21 15:55:01 so its perhaps the content of the sms Dec 21 15:55:07 but theres no sender address given -_- Dec 21 15:55:47 is this anywhere logged? Dec 21 16:05:43 ~logs Dec 21 16:05:44 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Dec 21 16:05:59 or what were you saying Dec 21 16:34:38 Is there any information about opim available? Dec 21 16:39:08 2008.12 freezes alot for me Dec 21 16:40:55 Openmoko sucks Dec 21 16:41:01 errr .. sorry a typo Dec 21 16:41:03 Hi Dec 21 16:42:15 ;-9 Dec 21 16:44:12 CVirus: interesting typo Dec 21 16:46:57 there, frozen again Dec 21 16:47:02 kinda dissapointing Dec 21 17:07:39 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfe6444a49bce 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd.conf: Document ogpsd options more Dec 21 17:24:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0241f916278c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ (3 files in 2 dirs): whitespace Dec 21 17:31:58 i think i have a problem with my moko Dec 21 17:32:34 my battery died last night, i dont htink i can save it Dec 21 17:33:51 jones: what makes you think it is dead? Dec 21 17:34:55 it wasnt responding to anything, and charging had no effect Dec 21 17:35:23 neo1973 or FR? Dec 21 17:35:25 i reseated the sd card and sim, and it booted Dec 21 17:35:25 jones: how did you try to charge it? Dec 21 17:35:28 FR Dec 21 17:35:45 so i over reacted Dec 21 17:36:11 SpeedEvil: shouldn't that be "neo1973 or neoFR?"? ;) Dec 21 17:36:33 (confusing naming, i know) Dec 21 17:36:41 not really Dec 21 17:36:56 how are things with the project Dec 21 17:37:55 jones: ... Dec 21 17:38:04 jones: on the upside, the hardware buzz has been fixed Dec 21 17:38:11 jones: on the downside, it's a hardware mod Dec 21 17:38:15 oh Dec 21 17:38:18 that isnt good Dec 21 17:38:29 what are you running o nyour right now SpeedEvil? Dec 21 17:38:46 jones: neo1973 - I don't get the buzz Dec 21 17:38:56 fair enough Dec 21 17:39:01 and I'm still on 2007.2 Dec 21 17:39:26 ive got qt on my FR right now Dec 21 17:39:30 err Dec 21 17:39:38 actually, I think it's a scaredycat image. Dec 21 17:39:46 i want to try andriod, it would be nice for gps and wifi to work Dec 21 17:40:07 is the buzz heard on FR too, or only the other end? Dec 21 17:40:10 tangogps works for me Dec 21 17:40:16 viq: both ends AIUI Dec 21 17:40:34 Hm, in those few times I called from mine I don't think I heard it. Dec 21 17:40:43 i have had any buzz, but in qt my inbox for sms doesnt clear Dec 21 17:41:13 so every time i get a text i get that and all the sms ive recieved since last emptying my whole inbox Dec 21 17:41:16 Some pepople don't Dec 21 17:41:37 and the last 15 messages in my trash wont go Dec 21 17:41:52 it's dependant on several things - distance from tower, frequency band, environment, ... Dec 21 17:43:44 i didnt know 2008.12 was released Dec 21 17:45:09 but the errata doesnt sound nice Dec 21 17:46:35 Though I have a rather bad echo when calling my FR... Dec 21 17:46:56 hi all Dec 21 17:49:39 np: Martha and the muffins - Echo beach. Dec 21 17:51:21 does anyone know if the new "cupcake" android compiles for gta02? Dec 21 18:00:00 Hi, just flashed 2008.12 and the wireless gui is gone or moved? Dec 21 18:03:21 hmmm. i just reflashed 2008.12 and it won't boot Dec 21 18:03:25 freezes Dec 21 18:03:42 yep, says that on the page Dec 21 18:04:10 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1682 Dec 21 18:04:33 I have 2008.12 flashed and booting Dec 21 18:04:44 Ah, seems that with mono down below 80% the echo is nearly non-existent Dec 21 18:04:54 As I said earlier. Dec 21 18:05:17 Turn either speaker down and press harder to your ear, or mic down, and SPEAK LOUDER!, and it should work. Dec 21 18:05:29 yeah Dec 21 18:05:32 It's mechanical feedback Dec 21 18:05:37 so that'll cut the gain Dec 21 18:05:38 that is not what that page says Dec 21 18:05:48 or is it in comment Dec 21 18:06:03 it doesn't turn off before reaching X it freezes Dec 21 18:06:06 I haven't looked at the above page. Dec 21 18:06:14 I may be simply inventing stuff. Dec 21 18:07:11 i actually hope you are Dec 21 18:07:20 Hm, where is the setting for "on the call" for volume? Dec 21 18:10:23 Hi, following the wiki I can ping my OM but not ssh to it can someone help? Dec 21 18:11:25 simoo: wireless or USB? Dec 21 18:11:36 viq: usb Dec 21 18:11:50 hm, then it should work Dec 21 18:13:32 'ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202' works fine but 'ssh root@192.168.0.202' doesn't Dec 21 18:14:19 What is the address on your other interface? Dec 21 18:14:30 could it be because I am on a different subnet do I need to pars another option to ssh? Dec 21 18:14:50 192.168.0.2 Dec 21 18:15:09 I would highly recommend addressing your home network differently. Dec 21 18:15:36 how? what should it be? Dec 21 18:15:57 Anything else Dec 21 18:16:40 unfortunately I am not at home (staying away) and can't really change it - It's a sky router and I don't *think I can configure it Dec 21 18:17:09 so I should be on a separate subnet to the freerunner? Dec 21 18:18:40 yes, that would make things much easier Dec 21 18:19:16 nobody else has problems getting the qwerty button in 2008.12? Dec 21 18:19:37 hmm... ok, thanks. If I can't change it, is there a way of getting it working? Dec 21 18:21:37 ah! it's ok I can get in to the router - 192.168.40.* ok? Dec 21 18:22:19 oh android was beta'd two days ago Dec 21 18:23:30 viq: if I change the DHCP server to give out 192.168.40.* will that be right? Dec 21 18:23:47 yes, it will make things easier for you Dec 21 18:24:05 great thanks Dec 21 18:32:57 tifereth: hello; sorry for not being online for quite long time; I had to finish some work and school projects... Dec 21 18:45:17 trying to install a package I get this error 'An error ocurred, return value: 2.' can anyone help? Dec 21 18:47:34 mwester: Are you still maintaining a kernel tree? If so, do you have it available somewhere? Dec 21 18:49:02 Hi all... I seem to remember seeing a method for downloading large areas of map tiles from OSM for use on TangoGPS and Diversity... anyone know how? Dec 21 18:49:25 the config tab of tangogps Dec 21 18:49:35 bruce: From the phone, or on a laptop? Dec 21 18:50:02 SpeedEvil, I figured it was in Tango... I don't have it installed yet.... Dec 21 18:50:10 bricode, either. Dec 21 18:50:38 bruce: As SpeedEvil pointed out, the config tab lets you cache map tiles as well as provide a download directory. Dec 21 18:51:07 Then you can right click on the map and choose "Download Map Tiles" or some such, and you can set the number of zoom levels you want to download. Dec 21 18:51:22 which is the number of times you can zoom in teh current view Dec 21 18:51:41 Right. Thanks to both of you! Dec 21 18:51:47 Exact details may vary slightly, but that's the general process. Dec 21 18:52:25 * bricode tried to eat some Android cupcake. Dec 21 18:53:02 now.... does Tango work well with 2008.12? I've been using SHR for a while now....and am just deciding to check out the new 2008.12 release Dec 21 18:53:11 I seem to be able to install software from the internet on my OM through the gui but the command line gives me an error 2. can anyone help? Dec 21 18:59:22 is there a faster way to download tiles? the phone seems to be grabbing about one a second Dec 21 18:59:37 and my connectio is much faster than that Dec 21 18:59:39 The tiles server may be slow ATM Dec 21 18:59:48 blast Dec 21 19:00:35 simoo: which application are you trying to install? Dec 21 19:01:17 emsyr: xterm or sqlite Dec 21 19:02:41 Could you type the command you try? Dec 21 19:03:11 sure 'opkg install xterm' Dec 21 19:04:26 Have you installed 2008.12? Dec 21 19:04:37 yeah Dec 21 19:04:47 clean flash Dec 21 19:06:33 You said the installation through GUI has no problem. Dec 21 19:07:46 yeah, I just install OM browser Dec 21 19:08:45 opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/xterm_207-r1.04_armv4t.opk Dec 21 19:08:55 Try this Dec 21 19:10:12 Ah now it says 'could not obtain administration lock' Dec 21 19:10:57 Wait a moment Dec 21 19:11:15 killall packagekitd Dec 21 19:11:17 killall packetkitd Dec 21 19:11:22 77 Dec 21 19:11:25 heh package Dec 21 19:12:12 simoo : first 'killall...' then 'opkg install...' Dec 21 19:12:15 is it because the repos for .12 are not there yet? Dec 21 19:12:25 Maybe Dec 21 19:13:01 But then your GUI shouldn't work also. Dec 21 19:13:05 what was the problem? Dec 21 19:14:16 ah! it's working now, thanks a lot Dec 21 19:14:39 but I can see that it is taking it from the 2008.8 repos Dec 21 19:16:08 anyone noticed that the last opkg upgrade breaks the whole system Dec 21 19:16:19 init scripts are no more working as expected for example Dec 21 19:16:29 is the OMContacts package useable? Dec 21 19:16:30 and pin request isn't working anymore Dec 21 19:26:14 Can someone take a guess at why running programs from GUI in SHR is so slow, but if I just run them from terminal, they open very quickly? Dec 21 19:26:53 Which kind of program? Dec 21 19:27:48 Ainulindale: GUI programs. :P Dec 21 19:27:58 Which one? Dec 21 19:30:09 All of 'em, it seems. Dec 21 19:31:39 Exposure doesn't work either... :\ Dec 21 19:31:55 Exposure works Dec 21 19:32:04 Here, using latest, it works Dec 21 19:32:11 weird Dec 21 19:32:13 are you sure? Dec 21 19:32:21 And there's no relation between what you describe and logic apart from illume hampering the CPU with its loading screen Dec 21 19:32:38 wow 2008.12 touch screen experience is much better Dec 21 19:32:51 could someone clarify what the difference between tango gps is and the maps program that comes with OM is? Dec 21 19:33:02 Ainulindale: That's what's so weird. Can I disable the loading screen? Dec 21 19:33:20 simoo: well it takes two to tango. Dec 21 19:33:29 wow, opkg upgrade is veeery slow :) Dec 21 19:33:55 Digital_Pioneer: No idea :-) Dec 21 19:34:00 Didn't think about tha Dec 21 19:34:01 +t Dec 21 19:34:24 mrgarlic: so I need them both>? Dec 21 19:35:01 simoo: I don't think so... Dec 21 19:40:46 In Exposure, all settings are "unknown" and when I click them, I get the green flash; and it doesn't change. Dec 21 19:40:54 Anyone know how to fix that? Dec 21 19:42:15 Digital_Pioneer: ps auxw |grep ophonekitd Dec 21 19:42:20 If you have nothing, on which I'd bet Dec 21 19:42:25 DISPLAY=":0" ophonekitd& Dec 21 19:42:49 Yeah, not running. Dec 21 19:43:24 Yeah, that did it. Dec 21 19:43:50 Wait for the pin dialog though before rushing into things =) Dec 21 19:43:52 where do i get mp3 codec for the freerunner? Dec 21 19:46:38 where is the wifi gui in 2008.12? Dec 21 19:47:53 simoo: 2008.12 has no networking GUI. Dec 21 19:47:57 I had to ditch it for that. Dec 21 19:48:02 I couldn't get into it. Dec 21 19:48:29 the one from 2008.9 is no more then? Dec 21 19:48:40 Never tried 08.9 Dec 21 19:49:08 is connecting 2008.12 to wpa working> Dec 21 19:49:10 ? Dec 21 19:49:36 simoo: yup, it might take some fideling, but i have it working here Dec 21 19:49:53 cool, thanks Dec 21 19:50:50 simoo: some tips: iwconfig every thing down before connecting, change it to up again and then connect. it did help me a lot to get it stable Dec 21 19:51:08 Ainulindale: OK, ophonekitd runs, I run exposure, it works. I close it, run it again, and ophonekitd dies. Dec 21 19:51:11 thanks Dec 21 19:51:41 Digital_Pioneer: pastebin the log please Dec 21 19:51:44 what would you guys reccomend as a browser, OMBrowser or midori? Dec 21 19:51:45 (/var/tmp/ophonekitd.log) Dec 21 19:51:53 GTA02 with latest kernel? Dec 21 19:52:04 I bet this fails on power state Dec 21 19:52:06 Ainulindale: I have no SIM card, BTW. Dec 21 19:52:11 That might be the reason. Dec 21 19:52:23 No, it should not crash for that reason Dec 21 19:52:33 simoo: minimo ! Dec 21 19:52:40 simoo: minimo FTW. Dec 21 19:53:10 thanks, that's not in the standard repos is it? Dec 21 19:53:30 with a bit of luck it'll be soon in SHR Dec 21 19:53:35 simoo: not AFAIK, but easy to download/install Dec 21 19:54:25 also, i notice all the OM-apps are marked as legacy is that because they are not being developed? Dec 21 19:55:09 Ainulindale: http://pastebin.ca/1290951 Dec 21 19:55:46 Wooh, who did this. Dec 21 19:55:51 I'll spank him. Dec 21 19:56:00 Ainulindale: ? Dec 21 19:56:19 Well, this was introduced in ophonekitd without my knowledge of it. Dec 21 19:56:55 What's wrong with my poor phone? :( Heheh Dec 21 19:57:19 Digital_Pioneer: nothing Dec 21 19:58:15 Well, I'll check that. Dec 21 19:58:21 Please open a ticket Digital_Pioneer Dec 21 19:58:26 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac Dec 21 19:58:34 Assign it to ophonekitd I'll fix it later on Dec 21 19:59:59 Ainulindale: Sorry, but how?... Dec 21 20:01:18 How what? how to open a ticket? Dec 21 20:01:39 Yeah. Dec 21 20:01:44 Well, register =) Dec 21 20:04:53 Ainulindale: I filled out the form, hit create account, and it pops up a window asking for a user/pass. Do I put the ones I'm trying to create in? Dec 21 20:06:56 yes Dec 21 20:07:38 OK, that's unique. :P Dec 21 20:08:36 Ainulindale: OK, what do I say about this thing so I seem halfway intelligent with my ticket? :P Dec 21 20:09:24 Attach your log, and tell Ainulindale told you this wasn't supposed to behave this way (ophonekitd exiting) with no sim Dec 21 20:09:38 As I'll review the ticket myself no need to be intelligent :-) Dec 21 20:11:13 Heheheh Dec 21 20:11:38 OK, just made ticket at http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/215 Dec 21 20:14:16 Thanks Dec 21 20:14:32 Will try to fix that tomorrow Dec 21 20:14:44 In between the only problems you'll have are with exposures and auto suspend Dec 21 20:14:48 So don't worry that much Dec 21 20:18:47 Yeah, I noticed it wasn't autosuspending. Dec 21 20:22:23 Ainulindale: So are you the main dev for SHR or something? Dec 21 20:22:44 well, kind of, but that would be forgetting the basic rules of modesty to say so Dec 21 20:23:17 THough these days I do more telling than coding Dec 21 20:24:33 Ainulindale: Cool, well, great job. It's officially the only distro that's really worked for me. Heheh Dec 21 20:24:59 Ainulindale: Being "famous" for the main-dev of a distro isn't all it's cracked up to be :) Dec 21 20:26:34 yeah well being famous is not what I see Dec 21 20:26:43 I just see boredom and endless ticket closing Dec 21 20:26:55 And decisions for this or that Dec 21 20:27:17 We want to be a community distro, but the community isn't that aware of us Dec 21 20:27:26 (intentionnaly) Dec 21 20:27:36 I can't wait for the release Dec 21 20:28:53 Ainulindale: Yep. I'm just starting to get the process in order and up and running. It's a process. Dec 21 20:29:11 The process? Dec 21 20:58:58 How do I turn off bluetooth from CLI? Dec 21 20:59:37 I'm flashing right now to 2008.12 Dec 21 20:59:43 :) Dec 21 21:09:02 Hey i have a problem with the Om2008.12 media players (both qtopia and openmoko-mediaplayer2). They won't play mp3 files. I think it is because there are no mp3-decoders installed (or so). At least, i can't find any lame or madplay stuff. Does anyone knows what to do? Dec 21 21:09:51 use ogg vorbis Dec 21 21:10:15 ok, thanks Dec 21 21:10:31 but that means i can't play mp3? Dec 21 21:10:36 you should be able to mp3 decoders from feeds from outside openmoko Dec 21 21:10:38 support for mp3 has been removed due to patents Dec 21 21:10:58 to install* Dec 21 21:11:06 hiciu, Is it possible to synchronize or at least send my appointments from my pc to qtopia-datebook? please Dec 21 21:11:08 like ScaredyCat's Dec 21 21:11:17 okay, thanks Dec 21 21:11:21 Why use a crappy format like MP3 anyways? Dec 21 21:11:46 Digital_Pioneer: it sounds ok on my computer :) Dec 21 21:12:08 balrog-kun: Perhaps, but it's eating up more disk space than it needs to be. Dec 21 21:12:57 :) Dec 21 21:13:09 yeah, maybe i should convert Dec 21 21:13:28 i wonder how long it would take to convert all the music Dec 21 21:14:08 Is ogg much smaller then? Dec 21 21:14:42 hi, does anyone have images for koolu they are willing to share? Dec 21 21:14:49 i'm not having much luck getting it to build here Dec 21 21:14:53 it can be. same filesize is typically much better audio quality. it really depends on type of audio your encoding. Dec 21 21:15:16 where is the wifi connection in 2008.12? Dec 21 21:15:56 terminal? Dec 21 21:16:22 well it was in the settings menu in 2008.9 Dec 21 21:16:34 ohh Dec 21 21:16:51 was it not? Dec 21 21:16:53 mrgarlic, Yeah - it's been gone for a while in testing. You may wanna download mofi. Dec 21 21:17:02 ok Dec 21 21:17:40 mrgarlic, I was surprised and a bit disappointed to see it go too. It worked pretty well for me. Dec 21 21:17:45 The_Doctor: You can have equal quality with a lower filesize, higher quality with an equal filesize, or very high quality with a larger filesize. :) Dec 21 21:17:57 or worse too Dec 21 21:18:06 balrog-kun: It took me a few hours, but I only have about 800-900MB of music. Dec 21 21:18:29 @Digital_Pioneer: Hehe, ok, then i think i'l convert it then Dec 21 21:18:57 balrog-kun: If you try it though, I recommend soundkonverter. It does batch processing no problem, and keeps metadata through inter-format conversion. Dec 21 21:19:45 The_Doctor: A 3 minute track takes me a little less than a minute, on a 2.0GHz processor. Dec 21 21:19:47 Digital_Pioneer: thanks, i might try it Dec 21 21:19:58 but it sounds like a KDE program Dec 21 21:19:58 :p Dec 21 21:20:10 Digital_Pioneer: Ok. Dec 21 21:20:25 balrog-kun: Yes, it does run in a superior DE. Dec 21 21:22:08 faltantornillos: I don't know anything about gui for that, but you can try to scp /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite to your pc, edit it with sqlite3 and send back to phone Dec 21 21:22:51 mmm, I'll give it a try, thanks Dec 21 21:29:02 ssh through USB on mac ....... so i can ping web sites from the moko but when i go to install from terminal or installer ..... nada connection Dec 21 21:30:12 firewall? icmp != tcp Dec 21 21:31:38 mrgarlic: try wget Dec 21 21:35:44 i keep getting error codes with opkg Dec 21 21:36:00 i tried the recommended killall packagekitd Dec 21 21:38:35 mrgarlic: which servers do you have in your resolv.conf? Dec 21 21:39:37 checking Dec 21 21:39:48 yay Dec 21 21:39:55 ha Dec 21 21:44:42 anyone have remoko working on Om.2008.12 ? Dec 21 21:48:00 Does 2008.12 let you SSH in yet? Dec 21 21:49:09 yes Dec 21 21:49:21 i needed to reboot the device Dec 21 21:49:38 after first boot i couldn't connect with usb Dec 21 21:50:46 getting annoyed by a bug on my desktop atm Dec 21 21:51:28 xterm is very slow when resizing, need to disable composite Dec 21 22:01:20 So what's everyone's favorite program that runs on FR? Dec 21 22:01:30 Evening everybody! Dec 21 22:01:32 See if there's any I haven Dec 21 22:01:35 gcc! Dec 21 22:01:41 't run into yet. Dec 21 22:01:54 Digital_Pioneer, Probably tangoGPS Dec 21 22:01:54 ahs] Dec 21 22:02:01 ash, even Dec 21 22:02:12 Ash? The shell? Dec 21 22:02:38 (I must say, I would love to have BASH on the Freerunner. BusyBox just doesn't compare.) Dec 21 22:02:43 Of course the shell. Only lazy people use GUI's (-= Dec 21 22:02:48 * lindi- uses bash Dec 21 22:02:54 GUwgat? Dec 21 22:02:56 Flashed to 2008.12 is over Dec 21 22:02:59 Yeah, I love CLI. Dec 21 22:03:02 "GUwhat?" Dec 21 22:03:06 Let's see what's around Dec 21 22:03:06 the terminal:) Dec 21 22:03:23 Except for wpa_supp. Dec 21 22:04:03 Though ATM I'm tryin' qtExt-4.4.2 and I miss my shell )-: Dec 21 22:04:26 I didn't think Qt Extended was that great... Dec 21 22:04:50 I still can't get BT working and wi-fi only worked twice. Dec 21 22:05:55 johngay: Use CLI. :) Dec 21 22:05:57 But then BT doesn't work in 2007.2 either. Dec 21 22:06:04 BTW, how do you toggle BT in CLI? Dec 21 22:08:04 /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop start seems to work Dec 21 22:08:10 Personally, I'm waiting for WinCE to run on the FR so I can have a proper stable O/S with real support (-= Dec 21 22:08:39 usually on my desktop hciconfig hci0 up will do it but not on this Dec 21 22:09:13 johngay: How does WinCE running on the FR help with that? Dec 21 22:10:04 In qtExt, I can look for BT devices, it sees my apple keyboard and even pairs with it. But then it says it's inactive )-: Dec 21 22:10:54 i get "can't get information for device" on both windows and linux when trying to connect from the desktop to the phone Dec 21 22:11:16 Is there anything on the phone listening? Dec 21 22:11:17 Everyone knows that WinCE is the best embedded O/S that's supported by a caring company that provides real support for their products. Dec 21 22:11:52 johngay: Which WinCE are you talking about? I know of a Windows Compact Edition, but it's totally opposite what you just described. :P Dec 21 22:12:02 yay wince Dec 21 22:12:05 i love wince Dec 21 22:12:15 * Digital_Pioneer winces. Dec 21 22:12:15 wince development is awesome Dec 21 22:12:25 anyone running 2008.12 have a minute to confirm a possible bug I'm seeing? Dec 21 22:12:31 i wish all the world uses wince Dec 21 22:12:32 you just have to add a few megs for memleaks in you memory calculation wenn you plan your device Dec 21 22:12:42 @bruce, Yeah me Dec 21 22:12:44 apple should ship iit on the ipoen instead of that crappy unix based os of theirs Dec 21 22:12:47 :) Dec 21 22:12:54 lets port android to wince Dec 21 22:12:57 DieMumiee: And some kind of script to reboot every 24 hours, you should be OK. Dec 21 22:13:11 Digital_Pioneer: oh yes rebooting is essential Dec 21 22:13:16 The_Doctor, reading accelerometer output.... # hexdump /dev/input/event2 Dec 21 22:13:27 otherwise dlls will eat your virtual memory Dec 21 22:13:40 DieMumiee: Yes, and nothing will touch your physical memory. Dec 21 22:13:46 Hey raster! Dec 21 22:13:56 bruce: Gives me a hexdump of the accelerometer output, Dec 21 22:13:59 what is the bug? Dec 21 22:14:10 The_Doctor, I'm getting results that mirror http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2145 Dec 21 22:14:20 I keep wondering why hexdump of accelerometers only gives output when the phone is immobile... Dec 21 22:14:21 The_Doctor, shake it and see what happens? Dec 21 22:14:24 johngay: boo Dec 21 22:14:28 Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Dec 21 22:14:45 Digital_Pioneer, check the trac link above Dec 21 22:14:56 How's E for the FR coming along? Dec 21 22:15:06 @bruce: I shaked it and the output stopped Dec 21 22:15:22 The_Doctor, should be the opposite, as Digital_Pioneer remarked Dec 21 22:15:31 Okay Dec 21 22:15:38 Yeah, I get that in SHR. Dec 21 22:15:50 maybe i will have the chance to train my moral next year, there is a iphone-like-gui-on-windows-mobile-phone project on the horizon Dec 21 22:15:52 bruce: Well then, bug confirmed. Dec 21 22:15:56 Digital_Pioneer, you get what? data when still only? Dec 21 22:16:05 bruce: Yes. Dec 21 22:16:22 For instance, the accel-rotate script... It doesn't work if I'm walking. Dec 21 22:16:37 I have to stop moving and hole the phone absolutely still before it changes the orientation. Dec 21 22:16:47 s/hole/hold Dec 21 22:17:07 Strange.. Dec 21 22:17:36 s/s\/hole\/hold/s\/hole\/hold\// Dec 21 22:17:43 :P Dec 21 22:19:07 So that's actually a problem, and I'm not just stupid about how accelerometers work? Dec 21 22:20:38 Digital_Pioneer: even when still the accelerometers should give you a vector pointing to the center of gravity Dec 21 22:20:44 Digital_Pioneer, no...looks like the problem was noticed earlier in Debian, but since it's a kernel issue, it will affect others Dec 21 22:20:59 What distro are people using for basic phone use? Dec 21 22:21:06 bruce: So can I flash another kernel that isn't affected? Dec 21 22:21:19 johngay: I'll probably be using SHR when my SIM comes in. :) Dec 21 22:21:37 I Dec 21 22:22:08 DieMumiee: Yeah, but if they give no data when the phone is 'accellerating' then they are not doing their job. :) Dec 21 22:22:17 ve been tryin' qtExt for a few weeks now, but I still have 2007.2 in flash cause I'm happiest with it. Dec 21 22:22:17 Digital_Pioneer, well...hopefully.... probably to patch and recompile a current kernel, and if it works, notify the kernel maintainer Dec 21 22:22:34 I can't get the OM toolchain working. Dec 21 22:22:40 oh, ok Dec 21 22:23:08 Version incompatibility with hosts aclocal Dec 21 22:24:28 I guess it's time for me to get the toolchain up and running.... Dec 21 22:27:44 I like getting >30 hours from the battery rather than <6 Dec 21 22:28:10 But I do get some issues receiving calls sometimes. Dec 21 22:28:28 But I really, really miss my shell )-= Dec 21 22:30:03 I'd love to try E, but there doesn't seem to be any phone capability??? Dec 21 23:04:15 hi, do you think arm920t-softfloat-thumb-linux-gnueabi is the best toolchain configuration for freerunner ? Dec 21 23:05:16 oh I forgot to add glibc Dec 21 23:08:52 What do you recommend 2008.12 or SHR? :P Dec 21 23:09:15 android is getting banned from my phone now :P Dec 21 23:09:15 dunno, I use FDOM so far Dec 21 23:09:21 why is that ? Dec 21 23:09:42 damn I can't compile the damn crosscompiler.. Dec 21 23:09:51 also finding mkfs.jffs2 was a hell Dec 21 23:10:03 if anyone wants it I can compile it for any x86 Dec 21 23:12:46 I'm still playin' with qtExt. Dec 21 23:13:57 does it lag ? Dec 21 23:14:09 because qt gui in fdom lags as hell Dec 21 23:14:49 you know like, you get a call and its a few seconds before the gui pops up and starts ringing Dec 21 23:17:04 * jc haaz arm binutils Dec 21 23:17:06 yey Dec 21 23:55:36 how do you get a keyboard on SHR? ^^ Dec 21 23:56:46 touch "qwerty" after touching top of screen Dec 21 23:57:55 ah I must be tired, thx Dec 21 23:59:02 does anybody know what -mthumb-interwork is for in gnu tools ? Dec 21 23:59:12 the docs just say: 'This option specifies that the output generated by the assembler should be marked as supporting interworking. ' Dec 21 23:59:33 Oooh! Dec 21 23:59:35 does this mean like that it just marks the resultant binary as 'thumb/arm hybrid' ? Dec 21 23:59:40 New idea for the accels + camera. Dec 21 23:59:45 Sextant. Dec 22 00:01:07 SpeedEvil: sexy-tant Dec 22 00:01:21 whats that ? Dec 22 00:01:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextant Dec 22 00:01:36 planning a camera for the gta03 ? Dec 22 00:01:47 A sextant is an instrument generally used to measure the altitude of a celestial object above the horizon. Making this measurement is known as sighting the object, shooting the object, or taking a sight. The angle, and the time when it was measured, can be used to calculate a position line on a nautical or aeronautical chart Dec 22 00:02:14 oh, I thought it was something dirty Dec 22 00:02:15 wee, i just ordered my neorunner =D Dec 22 00:02:45 I ordered a freerunner for christmas. Dec 22 00:02:49 you can measure altitude without gps? :P Dec 22 00:02:55 jc: yes Dec 22 00:02:56 ofcurse Dec 22 00:03:02 Unfortunately, when the box turned up, it was just a frenchman in lycra, with strange shoes. Dec 22 00:03:08 .. on freerunner Dec 22 00:03:14 jc: no Dec 22 00:03:25 jc: well - yes Dec 22 00:03:41 without external stuff... Dec 22 00:03:46 in usb and so on Dec 22 00:03:49 jc: but the altitude resolution is some 60Km Dec 22 00:03:58 Which may not be very useful. Dec 22 00:03:59 oh, kinda unusable for aircraft Dec 22 00:04:36 it would be so cool to use a fr as autonomous flying drone controller Dec 22 00:04:44 You can already Dec 22 00:04:49 It has GPS and accels Dec 22 00:05:00 all you need is to feed them into a kalman filter, and you're ready to go. Dec 22 00:05:01 you just need some external stuff Dec 22 00:05:10 like altimeter, radios, transponder, ... Dec 22 00:05:15 and of course, the aircraft Dec 22 00:05:23 that would be the harder part.. a bit :D Dec 22 00:05:29 diydrones.com Dec 22 00:06:11 gsm controlled autonomous hovercraft Dec 22 00:06:22 'fly to that beautiful girls over there bathroom window' Dec 22 00:06:26 'start stream' Dec 22 00:07:00 or maybe record to onboard hdd Dec 22 00:07:25 any updates on nokia770 since http://markmail.org/message/6zgsxu4h6swuwgdt ? Dec 22 00:07:27 Also - http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml Dec 22 00:08:03 $5000 cruise missile Dec 22 00:08:04 hehe those diydrones.com are actually making theyr own autopilots Dec 22 00:08:05 cool Dec 22 00:08:12 what for? ;) Dec 22 00:08:23 demo purposes. Dec 22 00:08:31 Largely that technology control is a futile thing Dec 22 00:08:38 missile is too much disposable.. Dec 22 00:08:42 keeping 80 year old tech bottled up. Dec 22 00:09:11 they tend to fly into things and explode which isn't cool for long service life Dec 22 00:10:12 yeah, I'd stick with mastering the neo first and then tackle avionics ;) Dec 22 01:19:32 what's up with wiki.openmoko.org ? anyone else but me that gets an assertion error when trying to access any page on the wiki? Dec 22 01:19:58 ah, sorry. it's my ffx. i just upgraded it, but didn't restart it. Dec 22 01:20:05 xulrunner. Dec 22 01:21:05 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0e2e6a232695 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/channel.py modems/abstract/modem.py): Dec 22 01:21:05 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fail gracefully if the serial device doesn't exist yet Dec 22 01:21:05 freesmartphone.org: Thinkpad WWAN cards can be enabled through a /sys file. It takes some Dec 22 01:21:05 freesmartphone.org: time from enabling the device to the device nodes actually appearing. Dec 22 01:21:06 freesmartphone.org: This makes the VirtualChannel fail gracefully when the device does not Dec 22 01:21:08 freesmartphone.org: exist so it will retry. Also increased the channel open retries from 5 Dec 22 01:21:10 freesmartphone.org: to 7. Dec 22 01:21:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r19c1b94e79d3 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ericsson_F3507g/modem.py: ogsmd: [ERICSSON] Use enable_wwan node found in thinkpad devices Dec 22 01:51:31 OK, so whenever my SIM card gets here... How do I change my ringtone? Dec 22 01:51:58 How do I mute the phone without exposure? Dec 22 01:52:09 I use SHR BTW. Dec 22 01:55:37 Illume's mixer doesn't work... I can't mute PCM. Dec 22 02:03:11 hey, is Android usable-as-a-phone yet, or is that asking way too much? Dec 22 02:04:53 cjb, You can make phone calls with it, if that's what you mean. Dec 22 02:05:09 Does it do any fun stuff? :P Dec 22 02:05:17 Does the voice recognition engine work? Dec 22 02:05:44 KenYoung: neat. how about suspend/resume? Dec 22 02:06:17 cjb, I think that is still messed up on Android. Dec 22 02:38:11 so when one enters the installer for the fist time after booting ...... it looks for the network and if it doesn Dec 22 02:38:21 t find it it bring up message Dec 22 02:38:42 when entering again it doesn't do that ..... does that mean that it is not looking for the network again? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 22 02:59:56 2008