**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 24 02:59:57 2008 Dec 24 03:00:06 SpeedEvil: B) Evil :) you live up to your name Dec 24 03:00:07 :) Dec 24 03:00:49 secureboot is an interesting technical challenge, but generally a headache, usually compromised in the end by holes further up the chain, and something I try not to get bogged down in if I can avoid it Dec 24 03:00:50 Well - yes. But... Dec 24 03:01:09 swetland: if there is a core in ROM that does the first layer, you can be pretty much secure. Dec 24 03:01:11 see tiff exploit on psp, iphone, etc Dec 24 03:01:46 the hardware is in the hands of "the enemy" as it were. If you're building anything non-trivial, I wouldn't bet on it never being compromised Dec 24 03:02:05 i'd just say "give up" Dec 24 03:02:10 swetland: for example, if the boot ROM on the SoC would only execute the first page of flash/... that it reads in if it's appropriately signed, you're almost screwed. Dec 24 03:02:17 its a high cost in time/resources Dec 24 03:02:23 to fight the enemy on their turf Dec 24 03:02:27 says the guy who's platform's first device shipped with a live root shell on console listening to keyboard input (now THAT is embarrassing) Dec 24 03:02:32 who are also incredibly hard to hunt down Dec 24 03:02:44 swetland: then that bootloader then goes on to check signature on the kernel, and the kernel then checks signatures on binaries and filesystems. Dec 24 03:03:19 swetland: you rapidly can get to the point where it's a case of having to swap out the CPU to get it to boot other than approved systems. Dec 24 03:03:21 speedevil: but if your kernel has a bug and somebody can take control after boot, game over. See savegame exploits on consoles, etc, etc. Dec 24 03:03:32 swetland: sure. MMU helps lots against that. Dec 24 03:03:44 swetland: as does non-exec patches/hardware Dec 24 03:03:52 it's more secure if you're running something that's been tested in the fire (like linux) rather than some toy os that's "secure" because nobody has ever seen the source ^^ Dec 24 03:03:56 swetland: and sandboxed apps in their own little chroot Dec 24 03:04:50 If the user has to re-crack the device from external media every time, you've almost won. Dec 24 03:04:55 time it boots Dec 24 03:05:05 speedevil: yet a lot of users do this on game consoles Dec 24 03:05:45 I think mostly it's a matter of how high profile the device is, how much value the user gets out of defeating your security, etc Dec 24 03:05:59 swetland: lack of MMU, horribly badly implemented crypto, and simply not spending the money to get a ROM version of the CPU with your own code on. Dec 24 03:06:11 swetland: are the majority of the issues I've seen. Dec 24 03:06:41 I'm sure there are people looking for some way around this in G1 running RC30, yet I bet it's fewer than worked to jailbreak iphone because one of the biggest incentives (restrictions on app installation) doesn't exist Dec 24 03:07:20 A hell of a lot of it is not wanting to spend the extra $2 on security. Dec 24 03:07:41 If the maker decides that, ... Dec 24 03:40:07 whats the volume on the community ml ? Dec 24 03:59:22 niklauz, i bet the volume of the ml is around 20L Dec 24 03:59:47 i bet it's not Dec 24 03:59:51 * niklauz wins Dec 24 03:59:54 hehe Dec 24 04:00:14 hmmm Dec 24 04:01:00 is ML solid? Dec 24 04:01:28 solid, but if you hit it you'll bounce Dec 24 04:01:40 have to go Dec 24 04:07:02 sybesis: I suggest http://openmoko.markmail.org/ if you want to see the activity. Dec 24 04:31:21 2008.12 when i turn on gps in settings ,,then turn on tangogps it seems to turn off gps Dec 24 04:32:36 well just now that didnt happen Dec 24 04:33:33 it does have the dark background tango i like that Dec 24 04:36:31 how do i get rasters keyboards on 2008.12? Dec 24 04:37:09 illume-confif is uptodate an also illume-config-illume Dec 24 04:42:57 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle Dec 24 04:44:27 sed -i -e s,asu,illume, /etc/enlightenment/default_profile Dec 24 04:44:28 root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Dec 24 04:53:30 now that the releases are a little spaced apart it would be good to implement the md5sums Dec 24 04:58:25 opkg slow Dec 24 05:01:56 Free Programming E-books With Direct Links & Request Ebooks http://www.request-ebooks.blogspot.com/ Dec 24 05:02:15 what the... Dec 24 05:28:28 How can I clear my phone log? Dec 24 05:30:00 It's stored in /var/db/phonelog.db, sqlite3 file, but if I remove that file, phonelog crashes. Dec 24 05:30:14 So how do I clear it _cleanly_? :P Dec 24 05:30:27 cant u edit it? Dec 24 05:35:08 slaxxin: I don't know how to edit a sqlite database. I should, but I don't. Dec 24 05:42:14 i special tool not nano? Dec 24 05:54:53 during the usbnetworking it keeps saying that remote host identification Dec 24 05:55:12 has changed Dec 24 05:56:55 every time i try to ssh into my phone it says the host key verification failed. but that should not even matter to ssh into the phone any reasons why it would do this? Dec 24 05:58:09 the key changes every time you re-flash the phone Dec 24 05:58:38 remove the 192.168.0.202-line from your pc's ~/.ssh/known_hosts Dec 24 05:58:59 you can also disable strict host key checking in ssh's config file Dec 24 06:01:36 mpr thanks, do you know where i could file the config file for ssh? Dec 24 06:02:10 man ssh :) Dec 24 06:02:50 the global one is in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, you can override stuff per-user in ~/.ssh/config Dec 24 06:04:24 Ugh, where's freakin xkill? Dec 24 06:05:12 good morning all Dec 24 06:07:52 openmoko-contacts doesn't work. Segfaults after retrieving contact list from SIM. Dec 24 06:11:04 mpr hey sorry i'm lost, in the ~/.shh/know_hosts i don't see the ip address 192.168.0.202 and on the config file i don't know what i'm doing. oh would it be bad to just delete all of the text in the known_host file? thanks Dec 24 06:11:50 well rename known_hosts to something else and see what happens :) Dec 24 06:12:14 mpr ha thanks trying that now Dec 24 06:12:47 after that you just get warnings about connecting to new hosts and a new known_hosts begins to be generated from scratch Dec 24 06:13:29 the lines in there are just very long, use e.g. 'nano -w' to see each entry on its own line Dec 24 06:13:52 mpr alright, thanks it's connected now Dec 24 06:13:57 appericate it! Dec 24 06:18:36 raster: there? Dec 24 06:43:09 MokoMakefile uses some includes from local linux installation ? Dec 24 06:43:25 anyone using android on FreeRunner? Dec 24 06:54:30 IguanaNed: tried it once Dec 24 06:56:37 undr: that doesnt sound too promising Dec 24 07:42:57 keyboard still mia Dec 24 07:43:27 calling was not there all the time Dec 24 07:45:28 2008.12 looks better Dec 24 08:09:30 I used to love this design and this color http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/3048097206_808bc02688.jpg Dec 24 08:19:41 did it get dirty easily Dec 24 08:43:40 undrwater1: nup Dec 24 08:43:41 :) Dec 24 10:02:08 hi all Dec 24 10:04:12 hi Dec 24 10:04:40 does anyone have a working dfu-uti version? i tried the patch i found, but it doesnt work (backing up rootfs) :( Dec 24 10:06:12 or, how are you backing up your partition? dd via second installed os? Dec 24 10:07:17 hi Dec 24 10:07:22 hi Dec 24 10:07:36 never backup up in fact Dec 24 10:07:56 :) Dec 24 10:08:49 i have a working system (suspend/resume,phone, gps,wifi) and i want to update it, but i would like to keep it as a working copy :) Dec 24 10:09:07 and maybe share it Dec 24 10:10:52 Mortak: did you try downloading from 'daily' ? Dec 24 10:11:10 http://downloads.openmoko.org - somewhere in there Dec 24 10:11:10 viq: dfu-utils? Dec 24 10:11:20 yes, dfu-util Dec 24 10:11:37 Also wiki has a link to a graphical tool overlaid over this Dec 24 10:11:42 i have the updated svn version at revision 4880 Dec 24 10:11:53 i dont need a gui :) Dec 24 10:12:16 *shrug* it's daily, however current that is :P Dec 24 10:12:31 ^^ , ill check that, thx a lot :) Dec 24 10:13:58 andriod on FreeRunner? anyone using it? Dec 24 10:16:11 "we are the google, you will be assimilated" ;) Dec 24 10:16:30 *hide* Dec 24 10:21:57 some people use QI ? Dec 24 10:22:21 me Dec 24 10:23:47 admiral0: does it changes anything ? is it worse using it more than uboot ? Dec 24 10:24:08 i prefer uboot Dec 24 10:24:20 i'll flash it back Dec 24 10:24:25 admiral0: why ? Dec 24 10:24:32 qi is too young and minimalist Dec 24 10:24:59 i have no idea when kernel fails and why Dec 24 10:25:12 and i need it when i compile my own kernels Dec 24 10:30:54 admiral0: oh i see and for basic use, ould it be ok ? Dec 24 10:33:01 hi, does anyone know a program to convert nmea data into gpx data on the freerunner itself? i would like to save my last known position and use that for agps the next time i start the gps Dec 24 10:33:03 yes i think Dec 24 10:35:41 aaargh! still a "dfu_upload error" :( Dec 24 11:01:02 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rfb4e9c7ab03c 10/ChangeLog: Update ChangeLog Dec 24 11:20:28 hello since some time I can't boot 2008.9 and 2008.12 from SD card, I tried different cards several times. It stucks at differente places of boot for example "Configuring update-modules", "Only GTA01 hardware supported by ASoc driver", etc. Looks familiar? Dec 24 11:20:44 2008.8 stable works fine Dec 24 11:22:04 correction 2008.9 is that is working fine, everything newer don't boot Dec 24 11:53:50 re-hi Dec 24 11:54:41 does anyone have a working illume digital clock? or do i have to write my own? Dec 24 11:55:41 so, is the freerunner usable as a phone yet? :/ Dec 24 11:56:01 Mortak: if there's a terminal emulator, you can run grdc :) Dec 24 11:56:10 a fullscreen digital clock in ncurses Dec 24 11:56:27 doc|laptop: hardly Dec 24 11:56:39 doc|laptop: a little, with qte Dec 24 11:56:43 doc|laptop: mine is, gps/wlan/phone Dec 24 11:58:10 balrog-kun: :) im looking for a nifty clock for my topshelf Dec 24 11:58:28 because its nearly impossible to see the time on this analog thingy Dec 24 11:58:28 anyone running 2008.12 from sd card? Dec 24 11:59:11 Mortak: reliable? wakes up correctly etc? Dec 24 11:59:16 admiral0: thanks (a little bit late) Dec 24 12:00:13 doc|laptop: wakes up, but doesnt have a ring sound (i dont need it, because of the strong vobrator) :) Dec 24 12:00:21 Mortak: hmmm Dec 24 12:00:28 doc|laptop: but thats the only thing Dec 24 12:00:41 doc|laptop: even illume isnt crashing anymore Dec 24 12:01:09 heh Dec 24 12:01:11 ok, thanks Dec 24 12:01:44 i would love to make a image of my running system, but i cant get dfu-util to download it Dec 24 12:02:26 so two things not working :p Dec 24 12:02:49 balrog-kun: NOO!! its not the freerunner itself :) Dec 24 12:03:14 i guess you could try copying /dev/mtdblock5 over scp somehow Dec 24 12:03:49 or dd`ing it Dec 24 12:04:13 yeah Dec 24 12:04:24 but no netcat in opkg.. Dec 24 12:04:31 *narf* Dec 24 12:25:19 wow, theres really no "good" clock available for the fr Dec 24 12:26:21 what is the command that is automatically executed when doing opkg install or remove that updates the icons on the desktop? Dec 24 12:38:36 Pander: the icons on the desktop lies in /usr/share/applications or something like that Dec 24 12:39:35 the icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps, when I replace one, I have to either restart illume to see them updated, or when I do an opkg install I get updates Dec 24 12:39:49 the latter is very fast I was wondering which exact command does the update Dec 24 12:40:03 Mortak: try this illume theme for a digital clock - http://wdk.dyndns.org/freerunner/illume.edj Dec 24 12:40:11 perhaps it is ldconfig Dec 24 12:40:26 yep it is that one :) Dec 24 12:41:07 billk: thx, i`ll try that Dec 24 12:41:08 put in .e/e/themes and it will overide the normal illume theme - delete it to return to normal. "killall -HUP enlightenment to enable" Dec 24 12:42:19 Having removed the dropshadow module, illume isnt segfaulting on the software_16 engine, but I have no gps level Dec 24 12:42:31 is that the same for others? Dec 24 12:42:48 sorry, thats GSM, not gps Dec 24 12:43:34 billk: dropshadow disabled, no segs but gsm level still works Dec 24 12:43:51 hmm, ldconfig not... Dec 24 12:45:32 hello. I installed debian and lxde but pcmanfm is eating all my cpu, any help? pls Dec 24 12:45:48 Mortak: thanks, must be something I instralled has killed it, will reflash and start again. Dec 24 12:46:11 billk: no porblem, good luck :) Dec 24 12:46:15 "problem" Dec 24 12:48:34 ahoi Dec 24 12:48:52 i wish all a mery christmas :) Dec 24 12:50:42 thanks a lot, the same to you ;=) Dec 24 12:50:50 Right back atcha Dec 24 12:51:38 Mortak: what kind of system are you running? Dec 24 12:52:17 Mortak: another solution to making an image - see Dale Magee's NeoTool. I extracted the relevant bits into my backup scripts as the machine I use with the neo has no display Dec 24 12:52:37 ssh access only. Makes a flashable image - works well. Dec 24 12:52:40 jonkristian: its soe kind of fdom image plus enhancements Dec 24 12:52:48 billk: yeah, nice Dec 24 12:52:55 billk: thx Dec 24 12:52:59 Mortak: I'd be interested Dec 24 12:53:22 What kind of enhancements tho? Dec 24 12:56:23 jonkristian: mostly e17 stabilty stuff, have to look through my bash history to say what i have done Dec 24 12:56:48 * f3ew wants a keyboard Dec 24 12:56:52 for the FR Dec 24 12:57:02 f3ew: xvkbd? Dec 24 12:57:14 f3ew: software or hardware? Dec 24 12:57:18 Mortak: An article like that would be popular ;) Dec 24 12:57:18 lindi-, I just upgraded to OM 2008.12 Dec 24 12:57:29 f3ew: i couldn't compile it Dec 24 12:57:43 * f3ew used the image from the downloads site Dec 24 12:57:53 Turns out it's got qtopia Dec 24 12:58:04 jonkristian: ill try that, but i have only 1hour left until my personnel family xmas nightmare starts *aaaargh!!!eleven!* Dec 24 12:58:14 Mortak: hohoho Dec 24 12:58:31 the rest is nice, but I don't have a usable software keyboard Dec 24 12:58:39 Mortak: Something like that here aswell Dec 24 12:59:08 and i have to shower, shave and dress until then (maybe i can stretch my time a littlebit) ;) Dec 24 13:00:00 but FIRST, i need to back up my fr Dec 24 13:00:52 :) Dec 24 13:01:12 neotool is running atm Dec 24 13:03:24 how is the SD card default formated? Dec 24 13:04:09 hi! is it worth "upgrading" from FDOM to 2008.12, or is it even possible? Dec 24 13:08:01 jonkristian: check my query Dec 24 13:37:50 ok, have to prepare for my personal nightmare!! cu later :) Dec 24 14:05:01 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r8867fe47a58a 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Dec 24 14:05:01 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Make act attribute mandatory and change defaults Dec 24 14:05:01 freesmartphone.org: Change the default value of the access type to be "GSM" and make act Dec 24 14:05:01 freesmartphone.org: mandatory. Also catch up on the ListProviders signature. Dec 24 14:13:07 how can I change black om theme to white asu theme in 2008.12? Dec 24 14:14:01 the icons are in /usr/share/pixmaps, when I replace one, I have to either restart illume to see them updated, or when I do an opkg install I get updates. the latter is very fast I was wondering which exact command does the update Dec 24 14:17:50 Found you :) Dec 24 14:17:53 Pander: you could look at the ipk sources or strace it, i'm sure there's an strace for om too... Dec 24 14:18:06 repository opkg.conf for 2008.12 ? Dec 24 14:18:38 * f3ew twitches Dec 24 14:18:55 My FR is getting seriously hot today, post the OM 2008.12 update Dec 24 14:35:15 anyone know how to print Screen in Android with FR Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * red4d21f5e407 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: otapi: Follow AcT changes in org.freesmartphone.GSM.PDP Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: GetNetworkStatus also reports the act attribute. Fix NetworkStatus Dec 24 14:40:36 freesmartphone.org: parameter Dec 24 14:42:27 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc8ff34f7756a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): ogsmd: Catch up with latest act spec changes (make AcT mandatory) Dec 24 14:45:37 Is a latest uboot ( http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/ ) reasonably safe to run? I'm having battery-discharged issues and want the Freerunner to hopefully charge after a u-boot 'shutdown' Dec 24 14:52:23 hi, #mokopedia says: kiwix nearly complete - grab the source, compile and see for yourself! Dec 24 14:52:23 anyone knows where to get the code? Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r8b81d1bfa048 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/ (mediator.py unsolicited.py): Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add charset support to more methods and signals Dec 24 15:09:52 freesmartphone.org: PdpGetNetworkStatus and NetworksStatus signals Dec 24 15:25:42 can someone tell me how to check if my downloaded jffs2 root image is complete? Dec 24 15:25:48 i'm not able to mount it on my ubuntu system Dec 24 15:25:59 loop does not work and mtdram cannot be large enough Dec 24 15:28:33 evolux: you want mount the jffs2 file ? Dec 24 15:31:19 that would be one possibility Dec 24 15:31:24 i just want to extract some files Dec 24 15:31:38 or actually check if they are there Dec 24 15:33:47 evolux: you can try : http://www.openmobilefree.net/index.php?entry=entry081224-223844 Dec 24 15:33:59 evolux: bye , i have to sleep. Dec 24 16:29:41 Hello. How to install a new (polish) keyboard for illume-keyboard (I guess this is default keyboard in SHR)? Dec 24 16:30:19 PS. I do not want to change locale and/or remove english Dec 24 16:30:46 (I mean - the dictionary for 'default' entry - not the pl-specific signs) Dec 24 16:58:48 Ok. I get response on language channel. Dec 24 17:05:19 help, i'm trying to use usb host mode using an hand made cable. but on the other end of the cable, all i get is 0.05V between +5 and gnd (om2008) Dec 24 18:08:02 hi does anyone know an application to convert the gps nmea output to gpx. the application must run on the freerunner. i want to save my last known position so i can use it with agps the next time i start it up Dec 24 18:09:38 gpsbabel Dec 24 18:10:22 there's a simple perl script that can do it too, IIRC Dec 24 18:10:35 published on the tangogps site Dec 24 18:11:54 mjr: gpsbabel running on the freerunner? where can i find that package? Dec 24 18:12:11 cjb: thanks, i will take a look there Dec 24 18:14:23 From debian... Dec 24 18:17:47 mjr: ah, well, i am running 2008.12. but thanks for the hint. Dec 24 18:24:49 cjb: the script is simple, perhaps to simple: Dec 24 18:24:51 Dec 24 18:24:52 24 Dec 24 18:24:54 12 Dec 24 18:24:56 2008 Dec 24 18:24:58 3d Dec 24 18:25:00 00 Dec 24 18:25:01 >00*63 Dec 24 18:25:03 Dec 24 18:55:03 have anyone gave fennec a2 a try yet? Dec 24 20:04:12 hi all Dec 24 20:04:23 I just heard about the 2008.12 update... I think I'm running 2008.9 Dec 24 20:04:39 it's been a couple months since I've done an update... can I get the new version using opkg upgrade, or do I need to reflash? Dec 24 20:04:46 the wiki page doesn't mention upgrading through opkg Dec 24 20:13:45 Yanroy: generally not. Dec 24 20:15:07 You might get close; you might end up with a non-functional rootfs; you may get a perfect upgrade -- but at this point in development, opkg updates != reflash. (be nice to have that work in the future, or even to have a means to do an "opkg verify-my-package-match " or something...) Dec 24 20:27:46 help, i'm trying to use usb host mode, but i can get the freerunner to output power (it works fine with a powered hub) Dec 24 20:36:57 Batchy: i use $ cat bin/usbhost-start |nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 Dec 24 20:36:57 http://rafb.net/p/xV00Fe91.html Dec 24 20:37:49 i did everything except the modprobe part Dec 24 20:38:00 Batchy: are you trying to use a keyboard? Dec 24 20:38:04 yes Dec 24 20:38:13 Batchy: for some reason i can not get keyboard work without extra hub either Dec 24 20:38:20 Batchy: mice also don't work Dec 24 20:38:25 Batchy: all other usb devices seem to work Dec 24 20:38:46 Batchy: i thought it was just my cable but maybe it's a real bug somewhere? Dec 24 20:38:50 let's try ;) Dec 24 20:39:00 Batchy: i tested four keyboards and two mice Dec 24 20:39:04 for me its the same. usb stick 1gb works, keyboards not Dec 24 20:39:11 smells like a bug! Dec 24 20:39:18 fso 4.1 btw Dec 24 20:39:23 it's kernel issue Dec 24 20:39:26 or hardware Dec 24 20:39:28 smells like a missing kernel module Dec 24 20:39:29 ^^ Dec 24 20:39:30 om2008.9 ... ;) Dec 24 20:39:47 mokel: how can hub fix that? Dec 24 20:39:56 mmh Dec 24 20:39:57 ok Dec 24 20:40:44 can you report it or should I? Dec 24 20:40:52 (i'm in the middle of a frameworkd issue right now) Dec 24 20:41:27 maybe i could do that (after reproducing) Dec 24 20:41:59 Is there a way to SSH over bluetooth? Dec 24 20:42:10 Digital_Pioneer: sure Dec 24 20:42:22 Batchy: thanks, let me know the bug id Dec 24 20:42:38 Batchy: i have seen that with all kernels i have tested and also with other fr phones Dec 24 20:42:40 lindi-: How? Dec 24 20:42:47 Digital_Pioneer: you setup IP over bluetooth Dec 24 20:42:53 Digital_Pioneer: then you do ssh over tcp/ip like you normally would Dec 24 20:43:09 dont forget to modify the dropbear script Dec 24 20:43:19 normally it only listens on usb0 Dec 24 20:43:20 lindi-: I do IP via ifconfig, which isn't bluetooth aware. Is it the same way with hciconfig? Dec 24 20:43:21 Digital_Pioneer: http://iki.fi/lindi/bluetooth.txt Dec 24 20:43:30 Digital_Pioneer: it's not the same Dec 24 20:43:35 OK. Dec 24 20:43:53 Digital_Pioneer: that's for using gprs of phone from laptop Dec 24 20:43:58 Digital_Pioneer: but i'm sure you can adapt Dec 24 20:44:09 If it has an IP, I'm sure I can use it. Dec 24 20:44:09 url does not work Dec 24 20:44:17 Digital_Pioneer: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/bluetooth.txt Dec 24 20:44:21 fixed url :) Dec 24 20:44:31 Thanks. :) Dec 24 20:44:35 irc clients should check urls for validity automatically Dec 24 20:44:43 :) Dec 24 20:44:43 would save everybody's time Dec 24 20:44:48 humany should do Dec 24 20:44:49 LOL Dec 24 20:44:54 humans Dec 24 20:45:11 your keyboard should prevent you from typing illegal urls ^^ Dec 24 20:45:43 anyone knows news about mokopedia? Dec 24 20:46:21 mokel: http://iki.fi/lindi/URLFixTrick.py is a subterfugue module that censors all broken URLs a process tries to write Dec 24 20:46:44 mokel: so if I try to send a broken url like here: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX you will only see X's Dec 24 20:46:53 :) Dec 24 20:47:32 'Tool for subverting programs -- "strace meets expect"' -- in case you did not know Dec 24 20:48:14 sounds interesting Dec 24 20:49:08 Hmm, is there no way to setup key-based authentication from FR to other system? Dec 24 20:49:26 Digital_Pioneer: works here Dec 24 20:49:44 Digital_Pioneer: why would that have anything to do with hardware anyway? Dec 24 20:49:44 My laptop uses key authentication into the FR... But the FR has no ssh-keygen program. Dec 24 20:50:01 you can generate the keys on your desktop Dec 24 20:50:20 from where they are doesnt matter Dec 24 20:50:40 mokel: $ PYTHONPATH=scratch/tricks sf -t URLFix /bin/echo try visiting http://iki.fi/lindi/404 if you can Dec 24 20:50:43 try visiting XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX if you can Dec 24 20:51:10 (apt-get install subterfugue and wget my trick if you want to try) Dec 24 20:51:44 Digital_Pioneer: install one Dec 24 20:52:28 Ahh, it's in package repo. Dec 24 20:54:43 lindi- : i can't reproduce it : my usb key doesn't work either. Dec 24 20:55:45 Batchy: it doesn't work with hub? Dec 24 20:55:47 and sometimes, lsusb hangs Dec 24 20:55:51 no without hub Dec 24 20:55:52 FR still says at boot that debugfs dir creation failed -19, lis302dl.2 device failed BOOT something, and it couldn't read `status` from bat property or something... Dec 24 20:55:58 Any ideas on those? Dec 24 20:56:10 i couldn't get anything to work without hub Dec 24 20:56:15 Batchy: odd Dec 24 20:56:22 Batchy: did you try usb memory stick? Dec 24 20:56:35 yes Dec 24 20:57:15 * Batchy wants to forget it and try after upgrading to 2008.12 Dec 24 21:11:00 quick question, where do i untar modules?... for an sd card install... Dec 24 21:11:58 bxyrk: modprobe looks for them in /lib/modules/`uname -r` Dec 24 21:12:29 so that's where i should decompress them to? Dec 24 21:12:49 yeah Dec 24 21:13:20 cool, i appreciate it Dec 24 21:13:36 ... going with FDOM/shr Dec 24 21:21:33 Ugh, what is the secret to SSH key authentication? I use ssh-keygen on the client, copy id_rsa.pub to the server, and append it to .ssh/authorized_keys, yes? What other step is there? Dec 24 21:21:38 It never works... Dec 24 21:21:53 Digital_Pioneer: have you used it on other systems? Dec 24 21:22:25 lindi-: I got it working from my laptop to the FR, though I have no idea how. It just started working one time. It wasn't working before that. Dec 24 21:22:36 Can't get it going from the FR back to the laptop. Dec 24 21:23:21 Digital_Pioneer: what ssh client are you using? Dec 24 21:23:45 lindi-: On my laptop, it's openssh. On the FR, it's whatever comes with SHR. Dec 24 21:23:54 Digital_Pioneer: what does SHR come with? Dec 24 21:24:14 lindi-: dropbear SSH client. Dec 24 21:24:27 Digital_Pioneer: does it read authorized_keys? Dec 24 21:24:36 No clue. Dec 24 21:24:44 ignore previous line :) Dec 24 21:24:48 Digital_Pioneer: does it read id_rsa.pub? Dec 24 21:25:10 Not sure about that either, but I have my doubts. Dec 24 21:25:15 Digital_Pioneer: use strace to find out Dec 24 21:25:23 Digital_Pioneer: strace -o s -s4096 -f ssh somebox Dec 24 21:25:31 Digital_Pioneer: grep id_rsa s Dec 24 21:25:37 lindi-: Moot point. I installed the openssh client, and it works. Dec 24 21:25:43 So I would guess no. :P Dec 24 21:27:07 how should i name the only menu of a program? "File" sounds stupid since the program does not deal with files Dec 24 21:28:31 lindi-: What does the menu do? Dec 24 21:28:52 Digital_Pioneer: it offers a way to power up and power down GSM and to exit the program Dec 24 21:29:23 Call it GSM? Dec 24 21:29:26 but in the future i might put other rare stuff there Dec 24 21:29:42 but the whole program is about making calls with GSM :) Dec 24 21:29:49 It's a dialer? Dec 24 21:29:56 dialer UI yes Dec 24 21:30:09 Is it a good one? :P Dec 24 21:30:25 depends on what that means :) Dec 24 21:30:33 goal is to be simple as possible and reliable Dec 24 21:30:51 but it has simple phonebook with automatic completion ;) Dec 24 21:30:54 Well, I don't care for the builtin one much... It's a bit unresponsive. Dec 24 22:21:56 lindi-: OK, finally got around to trying that page of yours.... modules bluetooth, bnep do not exist on phone, and bnep0 is not created on phone or laptop. Dec 24 22:29:16 Ahh, got it. Just had to switch the roles of the phone and laptop. Dec 24 22:57:46 I think I broke unsolicited Status messages Dec 24 22:59:06 Quick question - I booted into the NAND boot and chose shutdown, and then plugged in USB, so I am at the plain centered OpenMoko logo over amber gradient background ... but the AUX button is not blinking red ... is the Freerunner charging? Dec 24 22:59:14 or discharging? :( :( Dec 24 23:33:12 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rbbe669861a22 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: Dec 24 23:33:12 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix "NameError: global name 'currentModem' is not defined" Dec 24 23:33:12 freesmartphone.org: NetworkStatus signals should work again Dec 24 23:36:56 Is there a way to download a bunch of maps for TangoGPS ahead of time, so it already has them when I go there, and doesn't need to re-download them? Dec 24 23:37:36 start tangogps, move the map to the appropriate area by dragging it Dec 24 23:37:49 click into the window and select "download maps" Dec 24 23:37:57 up to zoomlevel+7 Dec 24 23:38:14 takes "a little" time to download the about 40k tiles... Dec 24 23:38:14 So I can't just download a tarball or something and dump them into its cache? Dec 24 23:38:37 er, no. would be way too big. Dec 24 23:39:00 i got about 1.6GB of map data, and that's only small parts of germany Dec 24 23:39:21 I'd like to tell it to download all of them for a mile radius or something and have them all preloaded. Dec 24 23:39:44 i'd rather find or code a viewer for OSM vector data (planet.bin...) Dec 24 23:39:54 Heheh, yeah. Dec 24 23:39:58 as i said, move map to that area Dec 24 23:40:06 and select "download maps" Dec 24 23:40:22 there is no automatic delete, afaik Dec 25 00:49:38 Anyone know how to give more voices to flite? Dec 25 01:44:48 How are you gentlemen? Dec 25 01:45:45