**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 31 02:59:58 2008 Dec 31 03:38:41 rooly! :D Dec 31 03:38:48 dave! Dec 31 03:38:48 i rock Dec 31 03:38:54 you know why i rock? Dec 31 03:39:07 cause i've got me a girl in the course of about 3 hours Dec 31 03:39:21 hope it lasts another three :p Dec 31 03:39:22 AND permission from her large 6'3" dad Dec 31 03:40:02 you have to ask her dad for permission? Dec 31 03:40:13 lol, no Dec 31 03:40:14 oh, is that how they do it out there? :p Dec 31 03:41:16 its a little bitty hot-as-hell-with-a-real-cute-accent missisiippi 16 y/o girl Dec 31 03:41:36 haha Dec 31 03:41:55 a.k.a. nazi-chick in training? Dec 31 03:42:12 crack what jokes you like Dec 31 03:42:15 but i still rock Dec 31 03:42:29 * Dave high-fives rooly Dec 31 03:42:45 However much you may rock, mister, it still doesn't change any of the facts about the freerunner :( Dec 31 03:42:55 though, if you take my advice, try openvibe on her ;p Dec 31 03:43:01 just make sure to use a phonecondom! Dec 31 03:43:15 lmao Dec 31 03:43:23 i don't have asu installed Dec 31 03:43:27 seriously :P Dec 31 03:43:40 * rooly has thought about it before Dec 31 03:43:49 lol i installed openvibe Dec 31 03:43:54 needs a pulse setting Dec 31 03:44:03 i don't think the FR vibration motor is strong enough for that kind of scenario Dec 31 03:44:04 huhu Dec 31 03:44:16 my regular phone is more than sufficient Dec 31 03:44:19 nothing more than a little gag-app Dec 31 03:44:21 yeah my g/f is a fiend and needs a 2 stroke motor Dec 31 03:44:30 haha Dec 31 03:44:32 whore! Dec 31 03:44:34 "engine" Dec 31 03:44:46 the little engine that could? ;D Dec 31 03:44:48 * Dave laughs Dec 31 03:44:51 well she needs that after me of course Dec 31 03:45:02 heh Dec 31 03:45:12 i'm just too good Dec 31 03:45:17 so ruly, of course, you know the next question out of everyone's mouth, right? Dec 31 03:45:21 Hey Ken Dec 31 03:45:28 Howdy Dave! Dec 31 03:45:49 erm.. "tits or gtfo!"? Dec 31 03:45:53 hahaha no Dec 31 03:46:05 (.Y.) Dec 31 03:46:07 Does she have a sister? ;p Dec 31 03:46:13 yes Dec 31 03:46:16 5 Dec 31 03:46:22 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA Dec 31 03:46:32 oh man, that just makes it even MORE funny Dec 31 03:46:41 lol Dec 31 03:46:46 haha Dec 31 03:46:57 you're alright rooly, you're alright Dec 31 03:47:03 * Dave beers rooly Dec 31 03:47:09 well thanks Dec 31 03:47:20 dave, ever get told to your face that you're good looking? Dec 31 03:47:20 on another topic, we did have a good chat last night Dec 31 03:47:26 Rooly, worse Dec 31 03:47:28 sure did Dec 31 03:47:41 worse how Dec 31 03:54:04 he wasn't told :P Dec 31 03:54:09 he just knew Dec 31 03:54:50 i am telepathic Dec 31 04:37:45 is it possible to use openmoko on phones not the neo such as kyocera 7135 smartphone? Dec 31 04:39:15 Quiliro: perhaps, if it runs Linux Dec 31 04:41:33 yo cjb Dec 31 04:48:04 cjb: i don't know if it does.....it has a dragonball mz procesor Dec 31 04:51:12 then "no Dec 31 04:51:16 db is m68k Dec 31 04:51:21 while there is a 68k linux port Dec 31 04:51:24 good luck Dec 31 04:51:28 so basically - no Dec 31 04:51:56 No mmu on a dragonball, IIRC. Dec 31 05:28:17 there is uclinux which doesn't need mmu, but i suspect development has been dead for awhile Dec 31 05:28:48 mwester: correct Dec 31 05:28:52 Quiliro: It doesn't make much sense to talk about running openmoko on a phone that can't run Linux. Dec 31 05:28:59 Quiliro: Once you have a phone that runs Linux, ask again :) Dec 31 05:30:40 there are phones that have linux "ported" Dec 31 05:30:43 and mostly working Dec 31 05:30:46 some htc's Dec 31 05:30:49 the treo650 Dec 31 05:30:58 some hp ipaq+phones Dec 31 05:31:02 and a few others Dec 31 05:31:10 though not as complete in the working department as the fr Dec 31 05:31:18 but the fr is out-of-the-box an open linux platform Dec 31 05:31:25 so u'd expecti it to work Dec 31 05:31:36 google g1, perhaps? ;-) Dec 31 05:32:08 i soncider android phones "different" Dec 31 05:32:20 why? Dec 31 05:32:22 due to their love of wanting to replace so much of a standard linux install Dec 31 05:32:28 its pretty much a linux kernel Dec 31 05:32:28 and thats it Dec 31 05:32:35 different libc Dec 31 05:32:41 oh, sure. but we're talking about capability of hardware, not what the supplied software is Dec 31 05:32:48 many of the phones you cited ship with Windows Mobile Dec 31 05:32:52 oh Dec 31 05:32:55 sure hw can Dec 31 05:32:58 but g1 is an htc phone Dec 31 05:33:01 as above Dec 31 05:33:04 some htc phones... Dec 31 05:33:06 ah, I forgot about that Dec 31 05:33:07 :) Dec 31 05:33:09 true enough :) Dec 31 05:33:10 (to varying degrees) Dec 31 05:33:34 if u remove the default software u'll have trouble with parts of the hw Dec 31 05:33:45 as there are closed drivers onyl for some things liek the gsm/3g radio Dec 31 05:33:48 etc. etc. Dec 31 05:34:09 That's a very succinct way to explain the problem with the G1. I very much like that. Dec 31 05:34:14 so i would argue its not fully working Dec 31 05:34:17 :) Dec 31 05:34:57 (as drivers/support for the hw does not fully exist in upstream ekrnel nor existing patches - same with userspace support) Dec 31 05:35:02 And it clearly differentiates the goals for the OM devices, and why those goals matter. Dec 31 05:35:20 in fact i'd argue my treo650 is probably better supported by linux :) Dec 31 05:35:31 mwester: es Dec 31 05:35:51 the freedom to go "well i dont like what you shipped - the kernel you use has awful problem x, or y and iw ant to change that" Dec 31 05:36:10 or "i dont like your phone stack - i want to replace it and thus talk directly to the gsm subsystem" Dec 31 05:36:13 or graphics Dec 31 05:36:16 or sound Dec 31 05:36:19 or gps... Dec 31 05:36:22 the list goes on Dec 31 05:36:31 the freedom to disagree with the default software provided Dec 31 05:36:35 and put your own on Dec 31 05:36:39 no matter what the thing is Dec 31 05:37:19 imho there should be more such open phones Dec 31 05:37:31 only rpoblem with om is.. it didnt ship with a fully working os to start with Dec 31 05:37:45 so instead of "i dont like the one you provided" Dec 31 05:37:59 its more "i havbe no choice but to replace what you provided.. it damn well doesnt even work!" Dec 31 05:38:03 :) Dec 31 05:38:16 (slight exaggeration - but you get the point) Dec 31 05:38:32 raster: I'd be interested in reading a more thorough writeup of the G1's non-freeness Dec 31 05:38:52 cjb: i just have gotten some anecdotes Dec 31 05:39:00 but the sgx (graphics accel) is closed Dec 31 05:39:09 and there is little hope of it being open Dec 31 05:39:11 ah, that's sad Dec 31 05:39:18 of course, so is the OM's, essentially Dec 31 05:39:26 i know the 3g radio has closed bits for accessing it and controlling it Dec 31 05:39:49 cjb: actually om's has hope Dec 31 05:39:52 om has docs under nda Dec 31 05:39:53 Is the wifi open? Dec 31 05:40:01 but its ALLOWED to release source for drivers Dec 31 05:40:04 that it writes Dec 31 05:40:13 mwester: i know nothing of the g1's wifi one way or another Dec 31 05:40:16 :( Dec 31 05:40:35 i belive tho that i was told anything that involves kernel drivers has/will have source Dec 31 05:40:45 but some things are done out-of-kernel Dec 31 05:40:57 (libgl.so, the 3g stuff etc.) Dec 31 08:28:46 how do I open my freerunner to insert the battery? Dec 31 08:29:17 ah found it Dec 31 08:37:03 my microSD cover wont latch Dec 31 08:37:52 it does not need to Dec 31 08:38:13 gambler: insert the µSD and press it down Dec 31 08:38:19 it will lock Dec 31 08:39:28 mine doesnt Dec 31 08:40:43 did you insert the card correctly Dec 31 08:41:09 if its the wrong way in, it wont fit and that way wont even lock Dec 31 08:41:26 i think so...on mine it loooks like one of the little pits close to the battery pit is bent Dec 31 08:41:37 s/pits/pins Dec 31 08:42:41 wow...i think the phone koolu sent me has a manufacturing defect Dec 31 08:42:48 god i run bad Dec 31 08:42:55 that may just be the case Dec 31 08:43:02 did you get warranty of any kind? Dec 31 08:43:47 i doubti t Dec 31 08:47:47 there is a 14 day warranty Dec 31 08:54:50 no good for me im in australia...i just scraped away a bit of glue where the wires connect and its shutting now Dec 31 08:56:22 so is the OS on the microSD card or is there also an internal flash storage? Dec 31 08:58:01 internal though you can dual boot of the sd Dec 31 08:58:35 ive got a working SIM card in there and it says "no network" Dec 31 08:58:49 on the plus side, i think this touchscreen is better than my G1 Dec 31 08:59:46 yeah the default image sucks, flash qtopia if you want just a phone Dec 31 09:00:07 im an android devel, so ill be sticking that on as soon as I learn how Dec 31 09:00:43 you need to flash and change uboot or install the qi boot loader Dec 31 09:01:32 is there a webpage that tells you how to do that? Dec 31 09:02:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner Dec 31 09:02:36 yu Dec 31 09:02:37 ty Dec 31 10:26:58 <[-zeno-]> o Dec 31 10:27:52 hi Dec 31 10:28:02 ups Dec 31 10:28:05 wrong channel Dec 31 10:28:15 i was trying to be idle here Dec 31 10:31:26 tried and failed Dec 31 10:32:31 IDLE FAIL Dec 31 10:33:40 going to try again next year Dec 31 10:34:38 hi Dec 31 10:47:47 I downloaded the latest kernel and rootfs from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/. I am using SHR on my freerunner. When I go to Settings > all options say unknown. Dec 31 10:48:25 I don't even get any network. Dec 31 10:50:52 king: reboot, try again Dec 31 10:52:19 viq, Rebooted, GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, etc everything unknown. Mofi also crashes. while booting I got a lot messages like udevd (#number) lookup group users '' unknown. Dec 31 10:55:42 someone? Dec 31 10:56:01 Do you know of a place where SHR users / developers are active? Dec 31 10:56:39 You already tried the other channel, so no Dec 31 10:56:40 there is a devel channel, #openmoko-devel or something Dec 31 10:56:43 Well, mailing list Dec 31 10:57:27 dns53, you mean #openmoko-cdevel Dec 31 10:58:20 probably Dec 31 10:59:20 viq, Could you help me with usb-networking? I can ping my openmoko all right, but when I try to login with ssh root@192.168.0.202 I it says 'host key verification failed'. I have flashed the phone with SHR just now. Dec 31 11:00:44 king: ssh-keygen -R 192.168.0.202 Dec 31 11:02:05 viq, thanks :) Dec 31 11:04:22 omg!! my gprs card arrived!! yay! Dec 31 11:16:24 ahoi Dec 31 11:17:28 hi Dec 31 11:17:30 ^^ Dec 31 11:18:18 heya Dec 31 11:24:57 hi, the illume theme on 2008.12 is very unstable for me, can someone confirm this? Dec 31 11:25:50 BluesLee: if you disable dropshadow it works much better Dec 31 11:28:17 Mortak: thanx, there are some hints in the community updates Dec 31 11:28:52 Tig|, HI! :) Dec 31 11:29:13 morning Dec 31 11:29:20 Mortak: another problem is that there are two kbds Dec 31 11:29:22 Tig|, Evening :) Dec 31 11:30:16 BluesLee: two? Dec 31 11:30:27 BluesLee: than you can type much faster ;) Dec 31 11:30:30 Mortak: the qt on and the illume one Dec 31 11:30:36 Tig|, I open Midori on SHR, I get warning you are using a SU account! Is it because I am logged in via ssh at the same time? Dec 31 11:30:53 Tig|, Is there something I can do to make that message bar disappear from Midori? Dec 31 11:31:29 BluesLee: hmm, sorry, i dont know what to do, normally there should be only one Dec 31 11:32:07 King, no and don't think so :) Dec 31 11:32:55 King, the FR runs everything as root, not ideal but there we are. Therefore when you load midori you are using a superuser account Dec 31 11:33:01 so it bleats at you Dec 31 11:33:39 unless the status bar option is not in the view menu then I don't know how to disable it, don't use midori much Dec 31 11:34:09 Tig|, Which browser do you use? I to have switched to SHR. Dec 31 11:34:32 well I don't really use the browser on it Dec 31 11:34:54 I have played with midori and it seems ok Dec 31 11:35:16 Tig|, I got the latest images from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/ shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin. Dec 31 11:35:38 Tig|, But in settings > GSM, Bluetooth, Brightness, etc everything unknown. Mofi also crashes. while booting I got a lot messages like udevd (#number) lookup group users '' unknown. Dec 31 11:35:39 cool Dec 31 11:36:00 odd Dec 31 11:36:10 Tig|, This folder http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/, just has the kernel, do I use the rootfs shr-image-om-gta02.jiffs2 from the images/neo1973 folder? Dec 31 11:36:48 the rootfs comes from the neo1973 folder Dec 31 11:37:04 I am just trying to remember which kernel image I used Dec 31 11:37:25 actually, just run opkg update and opkg upgrade and update everything :) Dec 31 11:37:31 see if that fixes it :) Dec 31 11:37:37 you will need to reboot after Dec 31 11:37:54 Tig|, Could it be because I used the kernel from the neo1973 folder? Would opkg upgrade also fix mismatched kernels b/we neo1973 and GTA02?! Dec 31 11:39:05 well opkg did not used to do kernels but I am damn sure when I updated last it did pull one down Dec 31 11:39:55 i wonder if joergs last name is beyer Dec 31 11:40:45 #freenode-newyears : help Freenode people benchmarking their chatwidth Dec 31 11:42:15 Tig|, updated / upgraded with Collected errors: Dec 31 11:42:16 * Warning: remove /etc/opkg/fic-gta02-feed.conf failed: No such file or directory Dec 31 11:42:16 * Warning: remove /etc/opkg/neo1973-feed.conf failed: No such file or directory Dec 31 11:42:18 Tig|, Should I get worried? Dec 31 11:42:24 nope did that here Dec 31 11:42:42 you will need to reboot after the upgrade Dec 31 11:42:58 go onto the main screen click the top bar and then the big x Dec 31 11:43:06 then you will get a shutdown menu Dec 31 11:43:27 Tig|, And if that doesn't work, I should get the kernel from images/om-gta02 for SHR? Dec 31 11:43:38 yeah try that Dec 31 11:43:59 Tig|, Do you like SHR the most of all distros? Dec 31 11:44:03 oh it takes a minute or so after booting for phone apps and anything to do with the SIM to start working Dec 31 11:44:28 I think SHR is getting to be the closest to what most people were expecting with the FR Dec 31 11:45:10 Tig|, Is SHR what OM was hinting at when they said that the major update after OM2008.12 would take FSO as the backend and build on top of that? Dec 31 11:45:34 QT although has a more mature phone apps is only any use if you want to run QT apps and is setup as a phone only and not a mulifunction smartphone Dec 31 11:46:07 That was my impression, basically they need to adopt the FSO framework to bring stability to the the image Dec 31 11:46:24 Tig|, QT doesn't let OM hardware shine through in any way. Dec 31 11:46:40 yeah it just turns it into a very dull basic phone Dec 31 11:47:37 I still think that SHR needs a Start screen like the old OM2007 image Dec 31 11:48:16 right I am going to have to head off, I need to hunt down some charcoal and meat for the new year bbq Dec 31 11:48:31 Tig|, There is no GPS in settings inside SHR. Is it always on / handled by Tango? Dec 31 11:48:40 Tig| i agree about the start screen Dec 31 11:49:00 Tig|, I get no GPS fonud. Dec 31 11:49:12 king: SHR Settings will be soon finished and included in the image Dec 31 11:49:16 king, the FSO back end handles all that and turns it on and off when needed Dec 31 11:49:52 if Tangogps cannot see the GPS then I think you will need to flash that other kernel Dec 31 11:50:19 oh bugger going to need a lot of charcoal Dec 31 11:50:29 temp is going to be -5 Dec 31 11:51:07 Tig|, the kernel available in images/om-gta02 folder? Should that bring up a GPS option inside the Settings> menuL Dec 31 11:51:11 Tig|, *? Dec 31 11:51:27 Tig|, Would you recommend trying the unstable images? Dec 31 11:52:25 Tig|,Does uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin always get the latest kernel or should i select a kernel depending on Date with uImage-2.6.24.oe3+gitrfb*? Dec 31 11:52:32 Tig|, That is some cold weather! Dec 31 11:52:32 king, you don't need a GPS option, all that is handled for you, if TangoGPS is saying that there is no GPS available then I think you need the other kernel Dec 31 11:52:59 the one with latest in the name should always be the newest Dec 31 11:53:24 any germans with a "simyo grps 1gb "flat"" here? Dec 31 11:54:21 Tig|, Would you know why the images/gta-02 folder doesn't have any rootfs? Dec 31 11:57:00 Tig|, I think I had the same kernel before, anyways flashing it to the kernel from images/gta-02 folder. Dec 31 11:57:14 Tig|, The only place where I got GPS working was with FDOM Dec 31 11:59:43 hai Dec 31 12:00:51 king, if the rootfs image you flashed had gta02 in the name it will be fine Dec 31 12:01:25 afternoon jonkristian any joy with the network Dec 31 12:02:05 Tig|: no joy yet, except the modeme had recognized the phone to be wlan device in the end, but it still considered it unactive. Dec 31 12:02:24 Tig|: im going for a walk down to the coffeeshop soon:) Dec 31 12:02:58 jonkristian, sounds like a plan :) I would also see if anyone can lend you a different router just to test Dec 31 12:03:11 if hai == shark: print Norweigian =) Dec 31 12:03:24 jokerfox: hehe Dec 31 12:03:28 :) Dec 31 12:03:52 DÃ¥rlig vane det der:/ Dec 31 12:03:57 Tig|, Flashed new kernel, rebooted, TangoGPS says no gps found. How do I test whether GPS is on? Dec 31 12:04:14 Tig|, Shouldn't there be an option in the settings menu like 2008.12 to toggle it? Dec 31 12:04:26 cat /dev/ttySAC1 I might suggest Dec 31 12:04:30 * SpeedEvil has no clue Dec 31 12:04:30 no there is no option as it is handled by the framework Dec 31 12:04:39 SpeedEvil, that is an idea Dec 31 12:04:56 see if there is anyoutput Dec 31 12:07:22 Tig|, You mean through the SSH? The command just sits there nothing is displayed not even the next command prompt to key in new commands. Should I ctrl-C it? Dec 31 12:08:09 yeah Dec 31 12:08:16 Tig|, Terminated it and re-executed the command, it still sits there. Dec 31 12:08:18 Terminated again Dec 31 12:08:35 hang on let me get mine set up so I can debug' Dec 31 12:08:55 Tig|, root@om-gta02 /dev $ file ttySAC1 Dec 31 12:08:56 ttySAC1: character special (204/65) Dec 31 12:10:59 Tig|, Is the filemanager inside SHR the old GTK app? This is the first time I have seen a gnome-style app here :) Dec 31 12:11:13 yeah that is a GTK app Dec 31 12:12:19 king, erm Dec 31 12:12:30 I think I know what the problem is Dec 31 12:12:39 Tig|, hm? Dec 31 12:12:43 i left my freerunner on the table in suspend for the last night and this morning the device wouldn't respond at all... in the end i took the battery off and was able to boot, any ideas? Dec 31 12:12:48 (i'm using SHR) Dec 31 12:12:55 the last update knackered GPS I am getting the same here :) Dec 31 12:13:12 Gilly, First time I flashed SHR, today and in the very first reboot, a similar thing happened. Dec 31 12:13:23 Tig|, ^ I thought you said yesterday that resume works on SHR? Dec 31 12:13:31 Gilly : shit happens Dec 31 12:13:33 :) Dec 31 12:13:43 well the same happened the night before Dec 31 12:13:47 Tig|, Do I just need an older kernel or also an older rootfs? Dec 31 12:13:52 though i don't remember if it was SHR or OM 2008.12 back then Dec 31 12:13:59 king, it does usually or it was here, it worked overnight here Dec 31 12:14:10 Gilly : try SHR unstable. maybe there that issue is solved Dec 31 12:14:26 but yea, taking the battery off and putting it back again solved the thing Dec 31 12:14:59 hiciu, They were looking for you on #openmoko-cdevel Dec 31 12:15:27 another thing i noticed this morning was that when i entered the settings manager without having entered the pin yet and turned gsm on every entry in the settings manager turned to "unknown" instead off "off" or "on" Dec 31 12:15:36 (included gsm) Dec 31 12:15:42 *including Dec 31 12:15:50 admiral0: yea could go for it Dec 31 12:15:51 that's ok Dec 31 12:16:03 Tig|, There are 25Nov and 8Dec kernels available. Or should I get the latest in the unstable branch?! Dec 31 12:16:11 shr settings needs frameworkd running Dec 31 12:16:22 ah Dec 31 12:17:30 There are only shr-lite images inside http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/, Should I get ones from images/neo1973? Dec 31 12:17:53 admiral0: well i'm using the latest images, are you suggesting to use the git repository instead or? Dec 31 12:18:06 king: ok, thx Dec 31 12:18:22 hiciu, :) Dec 31 12:19:15 admiral0: ahh... just was looking at the wrong directory... didn't see the link for unstable in the trac Dec 31 12:19:21 opkg install gpsd tangogps && echo 'GPS_DEV="/dev/ttySAC1"' > /etc/default/gpsd Dec 31 12:19:42 /etc/init.d/gpsd start Dec 31 12:20:06 Deos anyone else have their GPS broken with the latest SHR images? Dec 31 12:20:33 does it use gpsd or fso-gpsd? Dec 31 12:20:33 hmm, thought it was om2008.12 you where talking about, sorry Dec 31 12:21:38 jokerfox, Would all the /etc/init.d scripts not work in FSO-backed SHR? Dec 31 12:21:44 dns53, I don't know. Dec 31 12:22:16 Tig|: wish me luck then, going to check out some ap's close by now:) Dec 31 12:22:18 hang on there is a bug in fso-gpsd Dec 31 12:22:25 jonkristian, have fun Dec 31 12:25:24 king: try this diff, it helped me a few minutes ago "http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46chttp://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46c2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd"2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092 Dec 31 12:25:24 f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd Dec 31 12:25:42 Mortak, For the GPS? What command is that! Dec 31 12:25:42 bumbl helped me :) Dec 31 12:26:22 king: just replace the "start-stop-daemon --start /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid" part with "start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid" Dec 31 12:27:15 Mortak, You are putting the cart before the horse here! I don't get a think. Where do I replace that part? What was the first long and scary command? Dec 31 12:27:43 king: sorry :) Dec 31 12:27:48 Morphous, Tig|, I flashed to the 8Dec kernel from http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/, still no GPS found Dec 31 12:27:53 Mortak, ^ Dec 31 12:27:57 Morphous, Sorry Dec 31 12:28:01 king: do you have problems starting your /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd ? Dec 31 12:28:21 King: it's because there is a bug that it is not auto-started Dec 31 12:28:24 fix is in the git Dec 31 12:28:28 king right the fso-gpsd file has a bug in it Dec 31 12:28:39 you can fix it by editing the file Dec 31 12:28:39 Mortak, I do not know. I have not tried it. All I know is that when I go to TangoGPS it says no GPS found. Dec 31 12:28:43 Zorkman, That explains stuff. Dec 31 12:28:46 [13:18] http://shr.bearstech.com/git/?p=shr-overlay.git;a=blob;f=patches/fso-gpsd/0001-fix-initscript-breakage-for-fso-gpsd.patch;h=90d1d0087a5b549c3f3a41f331cef1dd46c2995b;hb=fc68115032b879244092f0b06f74c7c8087b81bd <- the diff Dec 31 12:29:02 Zorkman, Please bear with me. What is the diff? Dec 31 12:29:03 king: try "/etc/init.d/fso-gpsd" Dec 31 12:29:10 Mortak, through SSH? Dec 31 12:29:19 king: yes sir :) Dec 31 12:29:33 hey guys...just reading this regarding getting android wokring on my new freerunner: Dec 31 12:29:37 http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34 Dec 31 12:29:46 it says to partition the Sdcard Dec 31 12:29:50 king, are you ok with vi ? Dec 31 12:29:51 Mortak, Zorkman This has got to do with the kernel I am using or the rootfs. I just downgraded the kernel to the one that was released on 8 Dec in hopes of getting it working? Dec 31 12:30:00 Tig|, yes! Dec 31 12:30:03 king this is nothing to do with the kernel Dec 31 12:30:17 how do I do that, do I need a mini-usb to USB keyboard adapter to plugin a keyboard? Dec 31 12:30:30 via SSH : vi /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd Dec 31 12:30:31 Tig|, So do I need a fixed rootfs? Dec 31 12:30:51 king no just edit this one file Dec 31 12:31:19 ^^ Dec 31 12:32:05 and find the line that reads: Dec 31 12:32:20 start-stop-daemon --start /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid Dec 31 12:32:37 it will be directly below the line that says Starting GPS daemon Dec 31 12:32:41 Mortak, /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd Dec 31 12:33:00 Mortak, /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start Dec 31 12:33:01 Starting freesmartphone.org gpsd compatibility daemon: start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- P Dec 31 12:33:06 Tig|, ^ is that the issue? Dec 31 12:33:12 king YES Dec 31 12:33:15 king: yeah, right, you need this fix Dec 31 12:33:20 now change that line to : start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -- -S localhost:gpsd -P /var/run/${NAME}.pid Dec 31 12:33:39 Tig|, Before I do that, should I upgrade to the latest kernel? Because I downgraded a minute ago. Dec 31 12:33:51 king, no don't worry about that at the moment Dec 31 12:34:04 Tig|, This file will be preserved when I update the kernel? Dec 31 12:34:07 yes Dec 31 12:34:10 Tig|, ok. Dec 31 12:34:32 and the fix is already in git so it should not break when you update Dec 31 12:35:58 Tig|, I just had to put in --exec at the right place? Dec 31 12:36:13 and the -- Dec 31 12:36:25 Tig|, yes, will I need to reboot, or can I trigger a script? Dec 31 12:36:26 after fso-gpsd Dec 31 12:36:35 Tig|, Yes I got that '--' Dec 31 12:36:43 just save it and /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start Dec 31 12:36:55 and it should say ok Dec 31 12:37:03 if you have done it right :) Dec 31 12:37:13 and suddenly your gps will be working Dec 31 12:37:24 Tig|, Yes the no GPS option is gone, it will get a fix soon, THanks! :) Dec 31 12:37:30 Tig|, *message is gone Dec 31 12:37:33 ^^ yay! Dec 31 12:37:33 no problem :) Dec 31 12:38:01 Tig|, Now should I update the latest kernel also? Dec 31 12:38:11 Tig|, Would you also tell me the Ninja stuff with diff? What was it? Dec 31 12:40:49 all a diff is a way of automatically patching a file it is the *diff*erence between two versions of the file you apply a diff with the patch command usually Dec 31 12:47:30 Tig|, Do I need to read and apply these also? http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks Dec 31 12:47:41 Tig|, Or are they outdated / redundant? Dec 31 12:50:17 This is about usb_networking. Whenever I connect my Neo. I run: Dec 31 12:50:24 root@lear:~# iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Dec 31 12:50:25 root@lear:~# sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Dec 31 12:50:25 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 Dec 31 12:50:25 root@lear:~# ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Dec 31 12:50:25 root@lear:~# ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Dec 31 12:50:32 Are all these steps required everytime? Dec 31 12:53:07 Can I use pre-downloaded google maps with Tango GPS? Dec 31 12:53:27 the iptables and sysctl are for internet support Dec 31 12:54:10 of the ip and ifconfig commands i think you can just use one Dec 31 12:54:56 bartv, both are required for me to be able to ping the Neo. Dec 31 12:55:44 have you tried skipping the ip one? Dec 31 12:55:56 No I have tried skipping the ifconfig one and it doesn't work Dec 31 12:56:03 How would I copy a song to my freerunner from my desktop? Dec 31 12:56:37 it could be that the usb0 device is not up and the ifconfig command makes it up Dec 31 12:56:52 bartv, Yes, likely. Dec 31 12:57:30 bartv, Would you tell me how to copy a file from my ubuntu laptop to the freerunner? Dec 31 12:57:37 king: i can't help you with the song copying Dec 31 12:57:55 you could try scp command Dec 31 13:00:21 bartv, Yes it works. Thanks! Dec 31 13:00:40 Thank you people. You have been very welcoming of a novice like me! Dec 31 13:00:43 Tig|, Special thanks to you. Dec 31 13:03:16 no problem, sorry I had just popped off to make a cup of tea Dec 31 13:09:15 can I install android and the qi bootloader in a single step> Dec 31 13:27:37 I am trying to transfer files via sftp to the Neo. If I say sftp://root:@192.168.0.202, I get the message sftp://root:@192.168.0.202 Dec 31 13:27:54 *I get the message Cannot connect to 192.168.0.202: Connection refused Dec 31 13:28:18 I don't think sftp is supported by default you can use scp instead Dec 31 13:29:11 Tig|, oh, the wiki page said I could use it, so I thought it must be there by default. Dec 31 13:30:04 Tig|, I am looking at this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_the_Neo_as_a_Mass_storage_device, it says I need to make two scripts, what would be a good place to save those scripts in the Neo? Dec 31 13:30:15 Hi. How do I allow several instances of the same program to be launched at the same time with Om ? (I tried the SingleInstance param in the .desktop files, didn't help) Dec 31 13:31:12 eh...how can I get a console up on my freerunner? Dec 31 13:32:02 gambler, using which distro? Dec 31 13:32:30 Tig|, the default that came with my phone. Im trying to get android onto it Dec 31 13:32:36 just getting started Dec 31 13:32:58 king, does not matter really, if you are going to to execute them often then either in your path or in your home dir. Dec 31 13:33:26 gambler, by console do you mean the nor boot one for flashing images? Dec 31 13:33:37 Tig|, Do you know if the prebuild android images of koolu are more complete or Sean's? Dec 31 13:33:56 if so power down the phone, hold down the alt button on the top left of the phone and power it on Dec 31 13:34:18 king, no idea not played with android yet Dec 31 13:34:55 Tig :P Dec 31 13:35:13 Tig|, this page says I need to format the SDCard: http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34 Dec 31 13:35:23 Dave! Dec 31 13:35:24 I dont see how i can type those commands with the software keyboard Dec 31 13:35:38 with the 2007 keyboard? Dec 31 13:35:42 yep Dec 31 13:35:54 gambler, ssh in using USB networking Dec 31 13:36:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking Dec 31 13:36:48 the 2007 keyboard is erm *special* Dec 31 13:37:04 Dave likes the 2007 keyboard though Dec 31 13:37:53 Tig|, ty Dec 31 13:37:58 :P Dec 31 13:38:58 If someone is willing, I would love to be assisted in setting up android as described here, http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34? Dec 31 13:39:58 Tig|, it says: Dec 31 13:39:59 sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Dec 31 13:40:00 sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 Dec 31 13:40:06 those devices dont exist for me Dec 31 13:40:07 gambler, But you don't have the second partition. Dec 31 13:40:26 i dont have the first either as far as i can see Dec 31 13:40:38 how do i create those partitions Dec 31 13:40:40 gambler, Even I am trying to set this thing up. Let us team up. Though I don't know how that would help, given my lack of knowledge. Dec 31 13:40:43 gambler, Ubuntu? Dec 31 13:40:46 er..whats the device they are created on Dec 31 13:40:56 king: sure - go team Dec 31 13:41:10 You could go into gparted and make two partitions. Though we need someone to tell us what size. Dec 31 13:41:26 on what device do we create the partitions Dec 31 13:42:03 gambler, Is the usb card mounted in your system? Dec 31 13:42:28 king, i just setup usb networking and i have a console inside the phone Dec 31 13:42:43 via ssh Dec 31 13:42:55 Can someone help us please? We are trying to setup android on the Neo as described here, http://forum.koolu.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=34?, how big are those two partitions? Dec 31 13:43:06 gambler, We have hit a road block already, let us wait for someone. Dec 31 13:43:16 gambler, Did you check that forum post for replies? Dec 31 13:43:38 king, we can just make the partitions the size of the respective files Dec 31 13:43:45 i just dont see those two devices Dec 31 13:43:49 gambler, I heard that the koolu android image doesn't suspend but sean's does. Dec 31 13:44:06 right Dec 31 13:44:27 gambler, If I understand correctly there are no files to put in there, the actual kernel / rootfs according to the koolu post is flashed to our phones. Dec 31 13:44:28 openmoko: 03zecke * r4881 10/trunk/src/target/themes/illume-theme-asu/misc-data/asu_init/ (boot_image.png boots.png freerunner.edc): Dec 31 13:44:28 openmoko: [illume-theme] Replace boots.png with boot_image Dec 31 13:44:28 openmoko: Replace the boots image with a black screen saying openmoko and Dec 31 13:44:28 openmoko: update the edc source file to reference the other image. Dec 31 13:44:53 usually you need a 8 mb of fat16 and the rest should be ext2, though i'm not familiar with android Dec 31 13:45:21 c13, when i ls /dev i dont see /dev/mmcblk0p1 Dec 31 13:46:02 gambler, I think we have more on are plate than we can eat! Dec 31 13:46:08 gambler, *our Dec 31 13:46:08 it might be known as sdb or sda, but be careful, your hdd can also be that Dec 31 13:46:17 c13, :) Dec 31 13:46:28 also look for mmcblk0 Dec 31 13:46:54 c13, Have you tried sean's or koolu's android images? Do you know which one takes me farther? Dec 31 13:47:22 no, i haven't. i prefer hackable:1 ;) Dec 31 13:47:26 king do you have those files in your /dev/ directory? just wondering if my sd card is not working Dec 31 13:47:29 that's not android Dec 31 13:47:35 i had problems before with it Dec 31 13:47:48 c13, What do you mean, it is not android? Dec 31 13:48:00 gambler, Dosen't your distro automount SD cards? Dec 31 13:48:02 sorry. i meant hackable:1 is not android Dec 31 13:48:16 c13, oh ok. Dec 31 13:48:27 king, i just got this phone. it has the standard distro of whatever it was they shipped me Dec 31 13:48:39 gambler, I am a day older than you! Dec 31 13:49:47 this is what I am getting: Dec 31 13:49:50 root@om-gta02:/dev# df Dec 31 13:49:50 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Dec 31 13:49:50 rootfs 252544 46984 205560 19% / Dec 31 13:49:50 /dev/root 252544 46984 205560 19% / Dec 31 13:49:50 tmpfs 40 0 40 0% /mnt/.psplash Dec 31 13:49:51 /dev/root 252544 46984 205560 19% /dev/.static/dev Dec 31 13:49:53 udev 2048 64 1984 3% /dev Dec 31 13:49:55 tmpfs 63128 280 62848 0% /var/volatile Dec 31 13:49:57 tmpfs 63128 40 63088 0% /dev/shm Dec 31 13:50:09 help? Dec 31 13:50:30 what are you looking for, gambler? Dec 31 13:51:13 check this out in the paroli docs? http://git.openmoko.org/?p=paroli.git;a=blob;f=docs/backend_feature_list;h=12ba5efd09b1fe085ab9c05d4c7684807aaec3ba;hb=24aff81efc6424dddcd067e3819b6291e3378509 Dec 31 13:51:14 c13, the koolu forum webpage says to format the sdcard Dec 31 13:51:18 c13, sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 Dec 31 13:51:18 sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p2 Dec 31 13:51:25 i dont see those devices in my /dev Dec 31 13:51:33 why are people considering compiz there? Dec 31 13:51:39 is that for gta03? Dec 31 13:51:40 have you created partitions first? Dec 31 13:51:41 interesting Dec 31 13:51:58 c13, no. i dont know the name of the device to create the partitions on Dec 31 13:52:08 and btw you should be doing those stuff with your sd card plugged into your computer Dec 31 13:52:22 my computer has no sdcard slot Dec 31 13:52:31 any card reader? Dec 31 13:52:52 gambler, That is what I meant. Dec 31 13:53:11 c13, Do you know whether sean's or koolu's android image are better? Dec 31 13:53:24 still no ;) Dec 31 13:53:50 c13, no i guess i will have to buy one Dec 31 13:54:10 i cant do it through the freerunner huh...damn Dec 31 13:54:36 may be you cold use your phone as a card reader, not sure Dec 31 13:54:43 gambler, I am giving up. Atleast till they bring up android to something usable! Dec 31 13:55:23 king, you might want to buy a G1..its alot more advanced Dec 31 13:55:36 gambler, Wouldn't say that kind of thing in this channel :) Dec 31 13:55:55 king, lookup hackable1.org it is a nice debian + gnome based stuff, which is really easy to install Dec 31 13:56:17 why not? its true. this isnt pravda Dec 31 13:56:30 c13, Do you know if I can use google maps downloaded offline for TangoGPS? Dec 31 13:57:03 i want to get my code working on openmoko but i can see my G1 is way better Dec 31 13:57:27 i don't know, i've never tried Dec 31 13:58:19 gambler, Yes it has got faster data connection, camera and a HW kbd which openmoko doesn't have. Plus android on G1 is consumer grade OS, and you already know how OM is by now :) Dec 31 13:59:01 king: google maps sounds non-free :) Dec 31 13:59:17 there is a thing called openstreetmap Dec 31 14:00:15 OM existed way before the iphone and way way before android, they were developing the OS since then. I like to believe apple stole the design of the phone from openmoko and got some talented focused developers to work and you know what the iphone is capable of. Google came in with android and in 6 months got a far far better OS together on a consumer grade phone than openmoko. Dec 31 14:00:34 lindi-, I have used google maps downloaded on windows mobile, so it can be done. Dec 31 14:01:00 king: but it is non-free still :) Dec 31 14:01:29 lindi-, Google maps? It doesn't say anywhere that we can't download the images for offline use afaik. Dec 31 14:01:52 king: DFSG covers much more than private use Dec 31 14:02:01 google maps can be downloaded - and have been - though I don't know how. Dec 31 14:02:03 king, I believe it does, and even if it didn't, it'd still be non-free Dec 31 14:02:19 However, google explicitly forbids this use in their AUP, and IP bans people over it Dec 31 14:04:03 SpeedEvil, I just need a city, they won't know what hit them! Dec 31 14:04:34 what city? Dec 31 14:05:47 SpeedEvil, It is a noname, Not in the open street maps. Dec 31 14:06:22 A city with no name! Dec 31 14:06:28 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=no+name&sll=52.222099,-2.370187&sspn=0.007295,0.022745&g=no+name&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FV9HdQEd3VdCBw&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr Dec 31 14:06:29 Have you tried browsing to the location? Dec 31 14:07:27 the tango gps faq has some info about using google maps witout filling in all the dots Dec 31 14:08:04 dns53, I will check that, thanks! Dec 31 14:08:14 Have you tried browsing to the location on OSM? Dec 31 14:08:26 The namefinder database isn't always accurate. Dec 31 14:08:34 hmm I need to do some openstreetmapping around here Dec 31 14:09:00 Tig|: just do the surrounding 12000Km, and leave the rest for others. Dec 31 14:09:21 my road is on but 33% of the roads in the town are missing! Dec 31 14:09:31 they only have 2 roads mapped and there are 3 Dec 31 14:09:36 you must live in the middle of nowhere :p Dec 31 14:09:56 Not quite there is a pub 213 meters awayy Dec 31 14:10:19 * Tig| has all required civic amenities Dec 31 14:10:33 with a red phone box and a postbox Dec 31 14:10:40 :) Dec 31 14:10:40 :p Dec 31 14:11:13 hmm, i have both maximum volume in ringtone and vibrator but i still manage to miss calls while cycling around the city Dec 31 14:11:14 Tig|: go ahead and map it Dec 31 14:11:26 you could fix osm by recording your traces from tango gps Dec 31 14:11:29 Do any of you have trouble getting a GPS fix indoors? Dec 31 14:11:37 logs show that the phone woke up from suspend and adjusted volume Dec 31 14:11:38 I am not using any SD card on my NEO. Dec 31 14:11:40 Tm_T, I will but it is bloody cold here today Dec 31 14:11:45 king: surely it does not work indoors Dec 31 14:11:48 king: well gps requires visual contact Dec 31 14:11:52 kinda Dec 31 14:11:55 hello, does someone know how to use an external keyboard in qt extended ? Dec 31 14:11:57 Tm_T, ! Dec 31 14:12:12 king: even if you get fix it won't really tell you much indoors Dec 31 14:12:27 king: gps signal can't get thru thick walls Dec 31 14:12:37 lindi-, how about 5metres from the window? Do I need to be outside? Can I go outside, get a fix and then come in? Dec 31 14:12:42 even human body reduces signal Dec 31 14:12:47 king: i can get it 1 m from window Dec 31 14:12:54 I have had a fix before when it can see out of the window but it took ages, for playing with the gps indoors I bought an external antenna for £5 and hang that out the window Dec 31 14:12:57 king: you can go out and get a fix Dec 31 14:13:18 lindi-, Will do that now, then would the fix get lost when I come in? Dec 31 14:13:25 king: nope Dec 31 14:13:38 lindi-, Going out! I mean near the window :) Dec 31 14:13:43 after fix it doesn't need that strong signal Dec 31 14:13:53 How do I know when I get a fix? Dec 31 14:13:56 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.dev * r535af0e9b4ef 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume-theme-asu: Build revision 4881 of the theme to change the boot screen Dec 31 14:14:06 well it would know your location, for instance Dec 31 14:14:45 when "p" command of gpsd returns something else than "P=?\r" Dec 31 14:14:46 openmoko: 03zecke 07org.openmoko.stable * r34b01e2efb54 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: illume-theme-asu: Build revision 4881 of the theme to change the boot screen Dec 31 14:14:50 Would it automatically start getting a fix when I go outside with it, or do I need to nudge it? Dec 31 14:14:59 it should be automatic Dec 31 14:15:04 but takes time Dec 31 14:15:12 AGPS can speed it up Dec 31 14:15:12 you should be still until it get the fix Dec 31 14:15:44 Thanks people, will be back in a minute after getting the fix, then to get the google maps on tango! Dec 31 14:19:50 whack Dec 31 14:20:08 is opkg update; opkg upgrade supposed to break qt extended ? Dec 31 14:20:15 my phone doesn't boot anymore now Dec 31 14:20:41 jernst: it might, depends what got installed/upgraded Dec 31 14:20:59 qt extended, hm. Dec 31 14:24:04 I have left the phone outside and come, I hope no one steals it! Dec 31 14:24:22 king: why? Dec 31 14:24:33 ah Dec 31 14:24:51 i was out walking just now, got a fix after about 5mins Dec 31 14:25:15 jonkristian, SHR? Dec 31 14:25:21 yeah Dec 31 14:25:30 jonkristian, How did you know you got a fix? Dec 31 14:25:49 king: you started the daemon, right? Dec 31 14:25:50 jonkristian, Does the 'trip' tab in tango GPS show lat/long or does the map tab show lat/long in the bottom bar? Dec 31 14:25:59 jonkristian, Yes the daemon is on. Dec 31 14:26:00 then, do a stop/start in trip Dec 31 14:26:13 jonkristian, and what should it say? Dec 31 14:26:14 just to make sure it registers Dec 31 14:26:33 Will it be trying to get a fix now that I have left it out? The screen would have blacked-out. Dec 31 14:26:43 you will know when you got a fix. Dec 31 14:26:53 yeah, it will, unless it suspends, afaik Dec 31 14:27:40 Tig|: no joy anywhere, tried several open networks, then i discovered that in iwconfig the key is off, but strange, since i can ping the phone. i suspect there's something wrong of freerunner side of the network. Dec 31 14:28:40 king: it might help to walk around a bit, try walking 150m or so then back again. Dec 31 14:29:02 king: there are 7 sat all over, and i think it needs 3 sat signals to get a correct fix. Dec 31 14:29:09 jonkristian, Yes going out again! Dec 31 14:29:13 3 for 2d, 4 for 3d Dec 31 14:29:21 ah Dec 31 14:30:53 hm, so mofi doesn't set the key. Dec 31 14:31:07 time for a reboot and manual setting then Dec 31 14:31:12 jonkristian, wait! Dec 31 14:31:24 iwconfig key is for WEP Dec 31 14:31:30 Tig|: ah Dec 31 14:31:38 wpa supplicant deals with WPA Dec 31 14:31:59 and thinking about it I am not sure mofi does open access points but could be mistaken Dec 31 14:32:09 it actually sets the ap Dec 31 14:32:17 and the mac is correct aswell Dec 31 14:32:25 oh well maybe it does then Dec 31 14:34:55 I still didn't get a fix :( Dec 31 14:35:11 king: hmm Dec 31 14:36:20 Another issue: inside settings I get unknown in Suspend, tapping it has no effect. Dec 31 14:36:32 king: no simcard? Dec 31 14:36:56 I have put a SIM. Yet GSM says unknown. Even suspend says unknown. Dec 31 14:37:05 king: it happens randomly here, without a simcard. afaik, haven't tested with. Dec 31 14:37:17 then try a reboot and see Dec 31 14:37:33 king: reboot and don't touch settings until you've entered pin, that worked for me Dec 31 14:37:51 Gilly, I don't need to enter a PIN. Dec 31 14:38:04 jonkristian, I had to reboot as before this boot all of the settings options were unknown! Dec 31 14:38:20 king: yeah, happens to me too Dec 31 14:39:07 jonkristian, What do you do? Just reboot and hope things work out? Dec 31 14:41:39 Hello room Dec 31 14:41:50 roomie! Dec 31 14:42:00 * jeffszusz looks around Dec 31 14:42:05 no coffee? Dec 31 14:42:10 gah Dec 31 14:42:55 i see the 2008 release has hit the freerunner... is it consumer useable by any stretch of the imagination? Dec 31 14:42:56 hmmz Dec 31 14:43:25 i have two lines in /etc/network/interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp and iface eth1 inet dhcp Dec 31 14:50:09 hm, i do get a ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: operation not supported and run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with code 1 Dec 31 14:50:25 when trying to connect Dec 31 14:54:41 IS there a proper fix if I get unknown in the Settings menu? Dec 31 14:55:39 king: doesn't have anything to do with that. Dec 31 14:56:11 jonkristian, That was my question :) Dec 31 14:57:49 This is my fourth reboot to remove the GSM , Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile, Suspen - ALL unknows from the Setting panel. I am sure there could be a way to get rid of those unknowns other than rebooting, which in my case hasn't solved the problem yet. Dec 31 15:00:12 Any SHR users here? How do you deal with this? ^? Dec 31 15:00:17 Tig|, Still here? Dec 31 15:00:19 king: i have now idea why, i thought it could be because i didn't have a simcard in it, but now, i don't know. Dec 31 15:00:38 king: i have got that too Dec 31 15:00:44 king: just ignore it for now Dec 31 15:00:46 Tm_T, lindi- I never got a fix :( Dec 31 15:02:21 sorry back Dec 31 15:02:48 Tig|, This is my fourth reboot to remove the GSM , Bluetooth, Brightness, Profile, Suspen - ALL unknows from the Setting panel. I am sure there could be a way to get rid of those unknowns other than rebooting, which in my case hasn't solved the problem yet. Dec 31 15:03:32 odd Dec 31 15:03:44 is there way to have unblanked screen all the time with SHR Dec 31 15:03:45 ? Dec 31 15:05:04 h4v, I think so Dec 31 15:05:15 go into settings and turn suspend off Dec 31 15:05:30 then go into the top bar and click the little spanner in the top left corner Dec 31 15:05:31 it's not working Dec 31 15:05:42 Tig|, Is this 'unknown' in all settings a known issue? Would upgrading, downgrading, getting images from stable branch help / hurt? Dec 31 15:05:50 thenselect power and then turn off the blanking Dec 31 15:06:03 Tig|: it changes nothing Dec 31 15:06:12 king, I have no idea I am not seeing it here :( Dec 31 15:06:35 Tig|, What do you say I should do? Dec 31 15:14:28 no idea have you had a search of the mailing lists to see if has been reported? Dec 31 15:16:07 Tig|, No. But my use case is not specific. I just turned on a fresh installed device. I thought it would be well known if there was an issue. Dec 31 15:16:31 Tig|, Which list at http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/, should I search? Dec 31 15:20:05 Tig|, Have you tried the unstable branch? Dec 31 15:23:42 are there default direcories for pictures/sounds, etc in qt extended ? (on the sd card) Dec 31 15:55:05 Happy s/2008/2009/g everyone! Dec 31 16:02:49 does anyone know how to get the illume keyboard up in 2008.12? I have the standard OM keyboard but I like the illume one much better Dec 31 16:06:44 the wiki has a tutorial on doing that keyboard Dec 31 16:07:38 but it pputs the terminal keyboard with white background,,which im not partial to Dec 31 16:10:01 i am also trying to follow that guide for the illume keyboard Dec 31 16:10:09 but i fail at the last step: Dec 31 16:10:26 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume is says: "[...] Then switch keyboard from "None" to "Default" in Illume's preferences. " Dec 31 16:10:36 i have no clue where I can find these preferences Dec 31 16:15:25 moritz, i think those preferences are when you do the pull down and there's a wrench at the top left Dec 31 16:17:34 wait, is it raster's keyboard the one that looks more polished... has the silver look to it and white keys? Dec 31 16:19:50 hajmola: damn, there is no wrench Dec 31 16:21:33 and enabling suspend causes my display to not wake up anymore Dec 31 16:22:29 moritz, are you using the ASU theme? Because the wrench won't show up until you use illume Dec 31 16:23:56 hmm, i thought i use illume Dec 31 16:24:03 how can i figure it out? :) Dec 31 16:24:16 I mean, illume and it's config packages are installed, of course Dec 31 16:25:50 well, actually i don't need illume very urgently, in case that's not what i am running. but i lost all my keyboards. Dec 31 16:25:56 and this suspend problem is annoying Dec 31 16:26:22 yeah i'm not sure about the suspend issue, but the theme I'm using has a metal look to it Dec 31 16:26:44 in the last community update on the front page there's a little bit about how to switch to it Dec 31 16:27:27 i think it's technically raster's theme Dec 31 16:28:13 does anyone know if i can use bash_aliases? Dec 31 16:29:10 in OM2008.12 Dec 31 16:29:27 ah, now i have illume Dec 31 16:29:39 had to adjust /etc/enlightenment/default_profile Dec 31 16:29:58 cool Dec 31 16:30:10 damn, segfault after segfault Dec 31 16:30:11 *g* Dec 31 16:30:32 moritz, you have to disable drop shadows Dec 31 16:38:14 not so easy because the modules dialog is way to large for the FR screen Dec 31 16:55:58 moritz: it is a lot easier if you rotate the screen Dec 31 17:02:29 <[Rui]> see ya all next year! Dec 31 17:02:53 hehe Dec 31 17:19:15 Has anyone set up google maps with TangoGPS? Dec 31 17:19:28 I am yet to get my first GPS fix, I am on SHR. Dec 31 17:19:37 The sript /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd start without any errors. Dec 31 17:19:59 How do I know how hard TangoGPS is working to get a Fix, there is an app in FDOM, that tells me the number of failed attempts to get the fix and all. Dec 31 17:21:13 you can install openmoko-agpsui on shr as well Dec 31 17:21:36 peter-b, Is that the same program that is available in FDOM? Dec 31 17:21:57 peter-b, * by default, the one which shows the location of satellites and all? Dec 31 17:22:43 i think opemoko-agpsui is what you are talking about Dec 31 17:22:52 Have you used GPS on SHR? Dec 31 17:22:52 never used fdom .... Dec 31 17:23:29 i tried :-) Dec 31 17:23:40 tangogps is not working for me atm Dec 31 17:23:44 but agpsui is Dec 31 17:24:41 peter-b, I am trying again. This time 15 min straight. Dec 31 17:26:00 I also get all unknowns in the Settings panel in SHR. This is my fifth reboot and this problem doesn't go away. Dec 31 17:39:18 king, I had those unknowns a while ago Dec 31 17:39:24 after updates it was ok again Dec 31 17:51:02 samgee, I have updated. Do you know of any other way to get rid of those Dec 31 17:51:27 no, sorry Dec 31 17:51:38 it probably also depends on the updates Dec 31 18:35:28 Would anyone care to recommend me which SHR image would be best for flashing? (GTA02) Dec 31 18:36:56 azaghal, http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/, get the latest-uImages*gta02 and shr-image-*gta02 Dec 31 18:37:30 Is /media/card the same directory that my memory card is mounted everytime? Dec 31 18:37:46 How can I browse it from SHR, the filemanager can't open the card folder Dec 31 18:40:12 hey guys Dec 31 18:40:27 can i see somewhere a roadmap for the neo freerunner? Dec 31 18:40:33 whats comming up in the next versions? Dec 31 19:07:39 mwester, just dropped off your brokenmoko at the post office, priority mail Dec 31 19:09:44 How do I copy - paste inside SHR? I have selected the text, where is the copy? Dec 31 19:11:55 TAsn, ^ Dec 31 19:12:10 it's x Dec 31 19:12:14 marking is enough to copy Dec 31 19:12:28 though for a paste, you need a paste button ;\ Dec 31 19:12:33 TAsn, How do I paste? Shift-insert? Dec 31 19:12:35 like in the vala terminal Dec 31 19:12:47 Click with one of your toes to paste. Dec 31 19:12:56 TAsn, I don't know what is vala terminal Dec 31 19:13:02 king, may be, not sure, I just use the paste button that comes wit ha couple of apps. Dec 31 19:13:03 SpeedEvil, :) not that precise. Dec 31 19:13:20 TAsn, ctrl-v? Dec 31 19:13:31 you can surely do a ctrl c ctrl v Dec 31 19:13:44 If the keyboard focuses right Dec 31 19:16:00 TAsn, confirmed ctrl c ctrl v works. I was shivering to type that google map URL again! :-D Dec 31 19:16:11 haha ;] Dec 31 19:16:38 Does openmoko have a poster boy like apple's? Dec 31 19:16:59 yeah Dec 31 19:17:04 his name is tux Dec 31 19:17:05 ...? Dec 31 19:17:11 he is sexy as hell Dec 31 19:17:12 :) Dec 31 19:17:20 though he is a bit fat. ;] Dec 31 19:17:40 king, why? do you want the job? Dec 31 19:18:04 TAsn, You mean to get battered by the community all the time? :P Dec 31 19:18:09 The official openmoko penguin - http://www.crazypiglet.com/files/picture/33464460.jpg Dec 31 19:18:34 TAsn, Going by the number distros, back-ends, front-ends openmoko community is the most belligerent one :) Dec 31 19:18:40 It's not like the other penguins! Dec 31 19:18:50 SpeedEvil, :-D Dec 31 19:19:00 fso's logo is a "buzzing bee" Dec 31 19:19:19 SpeedEvil, Why is the creature so sad and desperate? Kind of represents all of us! Dec 31 19:19:34 I'm not desperate, neither I'm sad. Dec 31 19:19:35 ;] Dec 31 19:20:06 But your bearish tux is. Dec 31 19:20:47 How do I check the size of a directory from ssh? Dec 31 19:20:54 ls -la? Dec 31 19:21:18 I don't know how to read that command. Dec 31 19:21:35 king: from ssh? Dec 31 19:21:46 du ./ Dec 31 19:21:47 lindi-, yes. Dec 31 19:22:02 king that's actually the command, 'du ./' Dec 31 19:22:03 ;] Dec 31 19:22:14 TAsn, what are all those digits bytes? Bytes? Dec 31 19:22:21 yeah Dec 31 19:22:27 king: maybe openmoko freerunner shop should have some sort of unix quiz so that it could recommend people to not buy it if their command line skills are not good :) Dec 31 19:22:27 and on the bottom there's the sum. Dec 31 19:22:27 b or B? Dec 31 19:22:34 bytes. Dec 31 19:22:40 lindi-, :P Dec 31 19:22:50 TAsn, does it accept the human readable option? Dec 31 19:22:53 lindi-, ouch. Dec 31 19:22:56 king, yeah. Dec 31 19:23:03 which I don't remember by heart Dec 31 19:23:11 though man du in google Dec 31 19:23:14 -h Dec 31 19:23:15 or du -h Dec 31 19:23:17 yeah Dec 31 19:23:21 will do the trick. Dec 31 19:23:31 TAsn, It does :) Dec 31 19:23:31 though the -h in busybox is usually lacking. Dec 31 19:23:44 lindi-, I got google maps offline :) Dec 31 19:23:50 lindi-, And the fix too :) Dec 31 19:24:40 Does anyone know how do I change between to cached maps, satellite and street maps on my sd card? Dec 31 19:24:44 *two Dec 31 19:24:44 lindi-, I think the openmoko store should have a reading and searching test. so people will look in the wiki/docs ;] Dec 31 19:25:03 king, write a patch and send it upstream? ;] Dec 31 19:25:29 king, Woah! Dec 31 19:25:51 It should have a kill switch which it activates for users who pester the IRC channel so much :-P Dec 31 19:26:10 anyhow, I'm off! I'm wasting my time referring people to the man pages ;] Dec 31 19:26:22 TAsn, thanks! Dec 31 19:26:28 j/k, sure thing. Dec 31 19:26:30 ;] Dec 31 19:26:43 just try to read the manuals more often. Dec 31 19:26:55 it'll help you succeed. Dec 31 19:26:56 They are too intimidating. I need man 101 class. Dec 31 19:26:56 ;] Dec 31 19:27:32 no they aren't they are actually pretty well written (mostly) Dec 31 19:28:19 shr is taking aaa year end break no? Dec 31 19:28:29 TAsn, I know. But I think it calls for synthesizing skills very different to what us normal! people are used to. If someone would video walk through me through 2/3 man pages (any command) I would get some transferrable skills :) Dec 31 19:28:47 trying to merg with fso no? Dec 31 19:28:56 just give it a try. and there's always the -h flag that is mostly an executive summary for the man pages. Dec 31 19:29:12 TAsn, I will :) Dec 31 19:29:17 azaghal, You got SHR running? Dec 31 19:29:20 king: just start at a2p, and work your way through to zsh. Dec 31 19:29:35 SpeedEvil, You are so aptly named :) Dec 31 19:29:43 It's what I did! Dec 31 19:29:46 anyhow, I'm off. Dec 31 19:29:52 king: seriously though. Dec 31 19:30:03 SpeedEvil, Seriously! Dec 31 19:30:05 king: reading a few manpages of random commands will help you understand others Dec 31 19:30:13 king, if you are brave read the gcc man pages. Dec 31 19:30:13 ;] Dec 31 19:30:15 o yes Dec 31 19:30:16 king: Nah, not today :) Dec 31 19:30:31 king: Although there's a lot of files in that directory, so it's a tidbit confusing ;) Dec 31 19:30:46 now that's a long and frustrating one ;] Dec 31 19:30:50 azaghal, no just get the ones I told, they are ones with the shortest names. Dec 31 19:30:58 Ah, ok. Dec 31 19:31:02 SpeedEvil, You mean so brave to die in the battle? Dec 31 19:31:05 But there are some with glibc in their names? Dec 31 19:31:09 above all costs do not i repeat DO NOT read the man pages Dec 31 19:31:11 azaghal, Don't need those. Dec 31 19:31:14 Ok Dec 31 19:31:19 brian__, ! Dec 31 19:31:25 Happy new year to all, I'm off to bro's ;) Dec 31 19:31:50 I wonder how many people across various time zones are going to wish happy new year to the channel today. Dec 31 19:31:57 some just need a little encouragement Dec 31 19:31:58 Mine happened a long time ago. Dec 31 19:32:09 http://digg.com/linux_unix/If_Linus_died_tomorrow Dec 31 19:32:12 Sup Openers! Dec 31 19:32:34 * SpeedEvil buys life insurance on Linus. Dec 31 19:33:06 Post a comment! Dec 31 19:33:06 lol Dec 31 19:33:23 * SpeedEvil wonderrs if it's legal to buy life insurance on random third parties. Dec 31 19:33:29 lol Dec 31 19:33:38 Tickless heart in the kernel is not life saving.. Dec 31 19:33:42 SpeedEvil, sure as long as you pay the premium they decide on! Dec 31 19:34:04 SpeedEvil, What would happen if many people buy life insurance on the same person? Dec 31 19:34:11 SpeedEvil, Like all citizens on a dictator? Dec 31 19:34:13 :) Dec 31 19:34:13 dunno Dec 31 19:34:14 Lotteryt! Dec 31 19:34:39 SpeedEvil, first thing he would get assassinated before you can say 'money' Dec 31 19:34:40 :) Dec 31 19:34:52 So that is why it is illegal AHAA! Dec 31 19:34:56 SpeedEvil, :) Dec 31 19:35:40 Is the channel logged? Dec 31 19:35:46 !pogs Dec 31 19:35:48 !logs Dec 31 19:35:48 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Dec 31 19:35:49 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Dec 31 19:35:50 Live-logs are available at Dec 31 19:35:52 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Dec 31 19:35:54 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Dec 31 19:36:23 SpeedEvil, who feeds the bot? Dec 31 19:36:26 !hi Dec 31 19:36:34 !shr Dec 31 19:36:54 See? He is starving. Dec 31 19:37:13 is android easy to install yet on the FreeRunner Dec 31 19:38:37 How do I delete all the repos I create in TangoGPS? Dec 31 19:40:03 SpeedEvil, Would those disappear if I remove .TangoGPS from /home/root? Dec 31 19:40:13 the folder is empty though Dec 31 19:40:26 where else should I look for the config file? Dec 31 19:41:19 :( Dec 31 19:48:58 king: you're looking for .gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml Dec 31 19:49:18 pwerken, AH, thanks a tonne man. Can Dec 31 19:49:33 pwerken, Can I delete the file and start over from scratch? Dec 31 19:49:40 yeah that works Dec 31 19:50:36 pwerken, Are you sure if I would rm %gconf.xml it would recreate it? Dec 31 19:51:39 How do I get GSM working on SHR? I have rebooted 4-5 times still it says unknown. Dec 31 19:51:40 yeah i'm sure, but you can always mv it out of the way so you have it as backup Dec 31 19:51:52 pwerken, Yes, I will try that. Dec 31 19:52:11 is frameworkd running? Dec 31 19:52:59 pwerken, yes Dec 31 19:53:15 /usr/bin/frameworkd comes up in ps aux. Dec 31 19:53:20 and ophonekitd? Dec 31 19:54:05 pwerken, no ophonekitd doesn't come up in ps aux. Dec 31 19:54:50 pwerken, I haven't tweaked anything, this is the image I got from shr-testing. Dec 31 19:55:23 check its log in /var/log/ophonekitd.log Dec 31 19:56:12 ophonekitd is started when X starts (the script is in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ) Dec 31 19:56:24 pwerken, After 'connected to buses' it says: Dec 31 19:56:25 ** (process:1092): DEBUG: list_resources() Dec 31 19:56:25 ** (process:1092): DEBUG: list_resources_callback() Dec 31 19:56:25 ** (process:1092): DEBUG: GSM not available, try again in 5s Dec 31 19:56:25 Failed to handle dbus error: Unknown resource GSM, 76 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 Dec 31 19:56:25 Scale 2.000 Dec 31 19:56:29 many many times. Dec 31 19:56:59 Do you have GSM working on SHR? Dec 31 19:57:25 running shr-unstable for almost a day now Dec 31 19:57:29 had fso on it before Dec 31 19:57:39 pwerken, ok. Dec 31 19:57:58 pwerken, Messages crashes when I start it, is it because GSM is not working? Dec 31 19:58:13 pwerken, What should I do to get GSM working? Does it work for you on shr-unstable? Dec 31 19:58:22 pwerken, if testing is so crashy how is shr-unstable? Dec 31 19:58:25 more likely because it can't connect to ophonekitd Dec 31 19:59:21 So GSM shouldn't work for anybody with shr-testing images? Dec 31 19:59:35 i also had some trouble with ophonekitd starting, worked on since the 3rd boot Dec 31 19:59:58 pwerken, This is the 6-7th boot. And GSM hasn't worked on any of that. Dec 31 20:00:12 pwerken, In most boot, I would get unknown-s in all the options in the setting panel. Dec 31 20:00:16 *boots Dec 31 20:00:19 :( sorry i know very little of how ophonekitd works Dec 31 20:01:02 pwerken, After deleting that file Tango doesn't start, it crashes. Dec 31 20:01:12 pwerken, Is a restart in order? Dec 31 20:01:32 that's odd, tangogps should just create a new one Dec 31 20:02:38 pwerken, I am restarting, If it still doesn't work than I will mv the .xml file back and edit the offending parts. Dec 31 20:02:50 ok Dec 31 20:03:17 pwerken, Do you find the trip meter and speed inaccurate? Dec 31 20:03:37 pwerken, Can the altitude setting be used for getting levels? Like height of table, etc? Or is it not accurate enough? Dec 31 20:03:52 the current speed and distance seem quite ok, but the average speed is off Dec 31 20:04:40 pwerken, Do you find tango gps the best app for SHR? Dec 31 20:05:11 pwerken, Another question If I install any app should it create a launcher by itself on the home page of SHR? If it doesn't how do I run it? Dec 31 20:06:40 if the app is packaged correctly it should should popup on the home screen Dec 31 20:06:53 if not you need to create/edit the .desktop yourself Dec 31 20:07:05 pwerken, the trip meter in Trip tab of tango GPS is very inaccurate as far as distance is concerned. It just showed 30m when I had walked like 200m, it even went down to 3m and then finally 0. Dec 31 20:07:12 pwerken, ok. Dec 31 20:07:40 pwerken, What about the precision of the altitude setting, is it good enough for measuring depth of manholes, wall heights, etc? Dec 31 20:07:41 haven't looked at the trip distance that much yet, but the current speed is quite accurate Dec 31 20:07:45 king: no Dec 31 20:07:52 SpeedEvil, NO :( Dec 31 20:08:03 king: altitude error is tyypically double or more the position error Dec 31 20:08:15 king: google vertical dilution of precision gps Dec 31 20:08:24 SpeedEvil, Are the best GPS devices available able to do that? Dec 31 20:08:40 SpeedEvil, I read about it in tangoGPS, they say if it is less than three, then you are human. Dec 31 20:09:26 pwerken, On restarting Tango was able to create a new .xml file. Dec 31 20:09:48 SpeedEvil, GSM is not working for me on shr. I got the image from shr-testing. Should I give you the ophonekitd log details? Dec 31 20:11:32 king: no Dec 31 20:12:20 SpeedEvil, In my house I get DOP 100! Dec 31 20:19:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r75e00b0d4fe5 10/tools/cli-framework: cli-framework: convert dbus.Int64 Dec 31 20:19:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rad445af8c50f 10/mickeydbus/mdbus: mdbus: prettyprint dbus.Int64 as well Dec 31 20:21:04 CIA Dec 31 20:21:27 ^how do these messages keep coming in? Is this a bot? Dec 31 20:22:34 yes :) Dec 31 20:28:59 JaMa, for what purpose has it been setup? Where do these messages come from? Dec 31 20:29:10 king, any luck with your openmoko? Dec 31 20:29:16 i just woke up Dec 31 20:31:41 king: its from commit to git repositories.. and I guess its quite usefull to see whats new.. Dec 31 20:41:54 i think i'm ready to install some other OS for my Neo FR on a 8GB SanDisk Ultra microSD card. it will be the first time i try something else than the 2007.2 that i use since early july. what should it be? SHR? Om 2008.8? FSO? Androïd? Dec 31 20:42:11 uhsf, SHR Dec 31 20:42:36 gambler, I gave up on android till a more usable build comes along. Dec 31 20:42:36 why? 'caus gtk is still better than qt? Dec 31 20:42:56 gambler, I am setting up TangoGPS now. It is progressing well :) Dec 31 20:43:58 uhsf, FSO = framework not a distro. Android, yet to be completed, Om 2008.12 is an end of life product. SHR = by elimination. source:mwester Dec 31 20:44:08 :) Dec 31 20:44:22 uhsf, im trying to et android working. i also have a G1 and its pretty awesome on that Dec 31 20:44:25 * lpotter knows lots of people that think gtk i snot better than qt Dec 31 20:44:34 uhsf: I'm using latest FSO, is pretty great. Dec 31 20:45:01 gambler, I am sure it is awesome on the G1. Dec 31 20:45:27 gambler, But if you would read Sean's page on om wiki you would see the harsh reality of android on Neo. Dec 31 20:45:41 cjb: testing or unstable? Dec 31 20:45:52 linky? Dec 31 20:46:30 king: what do you mean 2008.12 is an end of life product? i never heard this before. Dec 31 20:46:49 uhsf, It is an evolutionary end. Dec 31 20:47:05 Martix: the latest milestone release Dec 31 20:47:47 cjb, Is FSO a complete distro in itself? I read that it is just a back-end with a couple of demo apps and SHR is a front-end distro on top of FSO. Would you please explain? Dec 31 20:47:50 i though 2008.12 was to be the future of openmoko, because of the switch to qt and all that? Dec 31 20:48:13 uhsf, | that to mwester Dec 31 20:48:26 uhsf: I'm using fso too.. (latest.. regulary updated built here from oe.git..) Dec 31 20:48:44 king: I've never tried SHR. Dec 31 20:48:58 JaMa, Is FSO a complete distro in itself? I read that it is just a back-end with a couple of demo apps and SHR is a front-end distro on top of FSO. Would you please explain? Dec 31 20:49:02 king: I'd be interested to know which apps it has that FSO doesn't, I guess. Dec 31 20:49:22 since FSO seems to have plenty (tangogps, etc) to me Dec 31 20:49:27 uhsf, FSO is the future. Dec 31 20:50:33 but you just said SHR = by elimination? Dec 31 20:50:35 king: are you talking about zhone and frameworkd? Dec 31 20:51:38 i'm surprised being told 2008.12 is a dead end. i was kinda my first choice Dec 31 20:51:57 s/i/it Dec 31 20:53:17 what i understand now it's all about FSO vs. SHR. Dec 31 20:53:23 uhsf: debian is actually pretty good if you get it working, but it is hungry for storage spave Dec 31 20:53:32 s/spave/space Dec 31 20:54:16 uhsf: yes fso-images are complet.. frameworkd is back-end.. but fso-images contain also zhone as telephony - demo app and illume as e17-based wm.. which is quite enough for average user.. Dec 31 20:55:00 uhsf: and in repos is quite the same amount of additional software as was for om2008 (at least when I tried..) Dec 31 20:57:20 OK, my phone is displaying the current time correctly, but how do I confirm that the hardware clock is set to UTC? (Just to be perfectly proper) Dec 31 20:57:24 JaMa: but both frameworkd and zhone are made in python, and i quote from zhone: it's lacking proper design, modularity, and stability. Dec 31 20:58:34 i need more arguments to choose either FSO or SHR, i'm not sure i understand the purpose of each of them. Dec 31 20:59:23 how are people formatting their sdcards? using a USB card reader? Dec 31 20:59:35 gambler: i am Dec 31 21:00:25 uhsf: I haven't tried SHR.. but I can say that FSO is sometimes unstable (but it's probably because I install every new revision in git :)) Dec 31 21:00:37 feitingen, is there a generic linux driver or do i need to be choosy about which one I buy? Dec 31 21:00:38 i really like the openness of freesmartphone.org but i also like having a community that helps improvement like in SHR Dec 31 21:01:29 gambler: most of the new readers are good enough, but i tried using my old reader which came out before the sdhc cards and it caused me a lot of grief Dec 31 21:02:39 if you are buying a new one, it does not seem to be a problem, all the readers i have tried, even the generic no-brand ones read sdhc perfectly fine, but i bought a sandisk reader o be sure Dec 31 21:03:00 s/ o / to / Dec 31 21:03:00 feitingen meant: if you are buying a new one, it does not seem to be a problem, all the readers i have tried, even the generic no-brand ones read sdhc perfectly fine, but i bought a sandisk reader to be sure Dec 31 21:06:51 is fso ancshr going to merge is 2009? Dec 31 21:07:24 dropping zhone an focusing on paroli Dec 31 21:08:11 i think there have been some miss communication on a few things Dec 31 21:09:32 it stems from the company saying things then changing their mind ,, which is sometimes hard to deal with Dec 31 21:09:51 but hay Dec 31 21:10:13 2008.12 is not the end Dec 31 21:13:08 once things come together this will be a nice system even though others may beat openmoko to the profit side of things ,, openmoko has driven a HUGE project that has really increased our ability to CHANGE THINGS Dec 31 21:13:55 brian__: FSO is the framework project -- it is being supported by Openmoko (and the community). Zhone was a testing app built by FSO -- now that other users of the framework have appeared, zhone will be dropped by FSO. Dec 31 21:14:16 brian__: SHR is one of several distros that will use FSO. Dec 31 21:14:17 getting all u hackers to work together is really the best part Dec 31 21:14:40 brian__: There will be no merger of FSO and SHR because that would not be in the best interest of anyone involved. Dec 31 21:15:22 i must have read someones dreams Dec 31 21:15:29 brian__: and 2008.x is a dead-end, according to Om -- they have stated on the mailing lists that they will support FSO, and they have "paroli" as a dialer that will be offered - it uses FSO. Dec 31 21:16:02 It should be ok doing an opkg upgrade of last version of fdom ? Dec 31 21:16:29 thanks for the clearing that up Dec 31 21:17:49 if SHR is a distro that uses FSO, what do i miss by using only SHR? Dec 31 21:18:07 i mean using only FSO. sorry Dec 31 21:18:27 zhone was a very cool program Dec 31 21:18:40 mwester: are you saying that the dialer and modem-chat daemon will still be python? Dec 31 21:19:57 that sucks that they're dropping OM2008.x, i've been enjoying 2008.12 a lot Dec 31 21:20:07 but progress is progress Dec 31 21:20:24 what next then ? Dec 31 21:20:31 yeah that is a bummer. what does this mean for FDOM? Dec 31 21:20:45 another acronym! Dec 31 21:21:22 i've been playing WoW. i just jumped into the convo. do the acronyms confuse you? Dec 31 21:21:27 fat and dirty openmoko Dec 31 21:21:43 no they don't, i was just making fun of all the acronyms that have developed Dec 31 21:21:46 the wiki says FSO uses a 2.6.24 kernel. is SHR more up to date than FSO? Dec 31 21:22:46 oh gotcha Dec 31 21:22:48 i'm used to arch linux where we get latest kernel in less than a week Dec 31 21:22:51 there are tons of them Dec 31 21:23:06 whats the latest kernel? Dec 31 21:23:12 .28? Dec 31 21:23:22 2.7? Dec 31 21:24:42 so fso is where were at if we going to ust the openmoko flavor>? Dec 31 21:26:38 * SpeedEvil has a flava. Dec 31 21:28:37 latest kernel is .28 Dec 31 21:29:26 i think i will install SHR. it seems to be the most logical choice. Dec 31 21:30:22 uhsf, SHR is slick Dec 31 21:31:30 curvy icons an stuff that works Dec 31 21:32:10 brian__, heh, yeah.... well i had suspend issues, but i think that was a kernel issue Dec 31 21:32:51 i used a lot of the shr releases an for the most part it was good Dec 31 21:33:33 i had problems with the very last 1 Dec 31 21:33:40 the FSO wiki page refers to SHR as a known API consumer. Dec 31 21:34:21 other known API consumers are zhone, tichy and paroli. Dec 31 21:34:44 tichy+paroli is already used in SHR? Dec 31 21:35:11 SHR is my favorite so that's what i'll use Dec 31 21:35:43 i don't really know what are tichy and paroli, that's the first time i hear about them Dec 31 21:36:09 anyone has screenshots of paroli? Dec 31 21:37:07 let me know if the dialer works good Dec 31 21:37:32 there are two screenshots of paroli on the google code page and i think it's very similar to Om 2008.12. Dec 31 21:37:56 im usung 2008.12 Dec 31 21:38:06 its working for me Dec 31 21:38:23 atleast better than shr was Dec 31 21:39:02 can someone confirm paroli is the interface used by Om 2008.12? Dec 31 21:39:44 uhsf: i can say that it is not paroli, it is still the qt dialer Dec 31 21:43:43 the SHR wiki page refers to FSO as an infrastructure with only a single demo dialer application. is this "demo" application Zhone? Dec 31 21:45:45 Hello! Is it possible to change what one uses the AUX-button for on 2008.12? Like with a config-file or something? Dec 31 22:00:49 Xqo: yes, if you get the illume-config, you cn configure the keys there Dec 31 22:00:56 s/cn/can Dec 31 22:02:25 feitingen: Dec 31 22:02:28 Hvor? Dec 31 22:02:37 Hvor er illume-config? Dec 31 22:03:30 happy gnu year from finland too Dec 31 22:03:42 haha Dec 31 22:03:55 yes, happy gnu year to you too, lindi-! Dec 31 22:04:16 also, for non-norwegians: where is illume-config? Dec 31 22:04:32 Xqo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#Virtual_Keyboard Dec 31 22:04:40 just follow the instructions there :) Dec 31 22:05:11 Xqo: there is a norwegian openmoko channel at #openmoko-no ;) Dec 31 22:05:50 oh Dec 31 22:05:52 thanks Dec 31 22:06:28 But i dont want the illume-keyboard, i prefer Matchbox. I only want to change what happens when one presses the AUX-button Dec 31 22:07:16 oh, you are using the matchbox wm Dec 31 22:09:51 anyway Dec 31 22:10:29 i honestly have no idea about the matchbox thing, sorry Dec 31 22:12:01 im only asking because i want to bring up the keyboard when it is pressed (like in Debian). But perhaps you know how i can do this: Dec 31 22:12:04 "To add a button to enable showing / hiding the keyboard, edit /etc/matchbox/session. In the list of applets after --end-applets, add keyboard, and restart your X server " Dec 31 22:12:15 ./etc/matchbox/ does not exist Dec 31 22:12:51 the guide was written for 2007.* though, so it might not still be valid. Do anyone know how i can do this now? Dec 31 22:12:57 now in 2008.12* Dec 31 22:18:53 my guess is that the session file has been moved somewhere else, say, ~/.matchbox or somewhere in /usr or that the session file is not required to start matchbox and that you can just create a new one in /etc/matchbox Dec 31 22:19:01 but it is just a guess.. Dec 31 22:19:40 also Dec 31 22:19:51 xterm wont bring up the keyboard Dec 31 22:20:22 and i hate the qt terminal Dec 31 22:21:58 that seems to be right, xterm has never brought up the keyboard for me, i usually use a tiny external keyboard Dec 31 22:28:07 i have had the terminal keyboard in 2008.12 but it had a white background an black letters which i dislike Dec 31 22:36:23 happy new year! Dec 31 22:39:16 hi, i've now ssh'ed into my openmoko and i'd like to upgrade it from the factory default Om2007.2 to the latest version (Om2008... something) :) Dec 31 22:39:54 is it similar to editing /etc/apt/sources.list and doing an update and then a dist-upgrade? Dec 31 22:41:43 i take it that i need to change: /etc/opkg/om-gta02-feed.conf Dec 31 22:41:53 atm it says: src/gz daily-om-gta02 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02 Dec 31 22:42:20 what do i need to change besides making the url say: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/ ? Dec 31 22:42:57 also, is it possible to down grade if i want? Dec 31 22:45:51 i can't find the page on how to update u-boot. Dec 31 22:47:27 should i install Qi instead? Dec 31 22:47:57 uhsf: i see one thing on the u-boot page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#Device_Firmware_Upgrade Dec 31 22:48:09 not sure if that helps, if not then forgive me - i tried Dec 31 22:49:33 dont u boot into nor then flash the nand just as u would with a kernel? Dec 31 22:51:08 i want to instal SHR on a microSD card, but it doesn't seem as easy as i expected. Dec 31 22:51:36 does someone here use Qi instead of u-boot? Dec 31 22:57:47 * JaMa is using Qi and u-boot NOR :) Dec 31 23:00:20 JaMa: how to install Qi to boot a micro SD card? Dec 31 23:01:16 Bonne année Dec 31 23:01:35 uhsf: I dont konw.. for booting from SD I'm still using that u-boot from NOR.. Dec 31 23:07:36 Bonne année Blanko. Tu es en France? Dec 31 23:08:11 je suis au québec donc encore 6hrs avant 2009 Dec 31 23:09:38 JaMa: i'm not sure if Qi can boot by itself, without u-boot. i know i have to update u-boot anyway because it can't use ext file system. Dec 31 23:11:05 uhsf: Qi can boot by itself for sure :) Dec 31 23:11:34 uhsf: but you always have u-boot in NOR for rescue Dec 31 23:12:25 ty, now should Qi be installed on the microSD card? Dec 31 23:12:42 i think i should format the card before? Dec 31 23:22:52 uhsf: I don't think Qi can be installed on SD card.. its for NAND flash.. Dec 31 23:23:18 uhsf: you can install it as you're used to install u-boot updates with dfu-util Dec 31 23:31:00 it's the first time i try anything with the freerunner, i can't even see the device when i plug it in usb. Dec 31 23:42:19 uhsf u have a linux computer? Dec 31 23:42:48 or windows Dec 31 23:45:32 http://rafb.net/p/UQkNJ125.html Dec 31 23:45:53 do that on linux Dec 31 23:48:29 brian__: huh.. i think he want to flash it with dfu-util ;) Dec 31 23:56:28 brian__: of course i'm on linux Dec 31 23:58:01 ty for the link, now i don't have much time it'll have to wait after new years eve party Dec 31 23:58:42 happy 2009 Jan 01 00:10:25 Openmoko (D) Jan 01 00:25:34 hello, how can i remove all files installed by a package? Jan 01 00:27:36 maybe, remove whole package? Jan 01 00:31:17 how? Jan 01 00:31:30 ok, how do i upgrade to the latest stable? (Om_2008.8). I'm connected via usb networking Jan 01 00:32:37 i installed task-openmoko-games, but it added like 20 shortcuts so i want it gone. opkg remove task-openmoko-games didnt work, neither did opkg remove task-openmoko-games -recursive Jan 01 00:36:32 shit - i guess i ned to flash it Jan 01 00:36:36 need* Jan 01 00:37:00 yep Jan 01 00:38:42 with dfu-util and all that. dont worry though, you'll know it by hand after the first couple of times. it is not very hard. also: if dfu-util gives you an error, just try again Jan 01 01:04:51 for me its ./dfu Jan 01 02:26:06 we have all these packages that need mplayer so wheres it at/ Jan 01 02:27:05 i ate it Jan 01 02:28:21 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 01 02:59:57 2009