**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 01 02:59:57 2009 Jan 01 03:03:02 which file should i edit, when i want to automatic load on kernel module Jan 01 03:31:24 openfree: look at /etc/modules and the /etc/modutils/ directory Jan 01 03:36:41 hi Jan 01 03:37:06 how do I enable writing to the NOR flash with the debugging board? Jan 01 03:47:56 mnagy: the "Flashing NOR" wiki page has some info. Also see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-May/002710.html Jan 01 03:49:51 the wiki pages don't seem to have enough info.. but thanks for that email, I'll check it out Jan 01 04:26:37 hm, and what file from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ should I use for flashing NOR? Jan 01 04:32:20 mnagy: Why do you want to flash nor? Jan 01 04:32:44 Shlee: I've been hit by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 Jan 01 04:40:37 wonder how many of those made it through? Jan 01 04:48:13 anyone has had a recent successful build with MokoMakefile? Jan 01 05:45:48 Hey, all. Is the default root password for 2008.12 still blank? I'm not having any luck ssh-ing via the usb interface, and I'm pretty sure I'm doing it just like I did on 2008.9. Jan 01 05:46:46 gargoyle-grin: afaik it's not blank.. it acceptas any password (i.e. there's no checking) Jan 01 05:48:40 Hmm. "ssh root@192.168.0.202" results in a "no route to host." "ssh root@192.168.0.200" prompts me for a password, but no password I try (including blank) works. Jan 01 05:48:58 Hmm. It's starting to sound like a host machine issue, isn't it? Jan 01 05:49:40 gargoyle-grin: "ssh root@192.168.0.200" would log you in to your own pc i think :p Jan 01 05:50:20 Not on my network. My net mask is 172.16.255.255 Jan 01 05:50:45 gargoyle-grin: then you will need to set your ip to 192.168.0.200 for usb0 Jan 01 05:51:51 Ah. Ok... So on that interface, I'm 192.168.0.200. I gotcha. Yeah. 192.16.0.200 is my machine. Jan 01 05:56:17 Hmm. Not getting a password prompt for 192.168.0.202, though. I did configure the subnet, though. "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" Jan 01 06:28:16 gargoyle-grin: what do you get instead? Jan 01 06:32:29 "ssh: connect to host openmoko port 22: No route to host" Jan 01 06:34:10 gargoyle-grin: do you have a terminal on the phone? Jan 01 06:34:55 Nope. Can't install it without ssh access either. Jan 01 06:35:29 that sucks Jan 01 06:35:43 earlier version had one by default Jan 01 06:35:53 versions* Jan 01 06:36:04 Indeed. There's no Wifi item in settings any more either. 2008.9 had it. If I had that, I wouldn't need to bother with USB networking anyway. Jan 01 06:36:28 I could SSH in via the wifi connection. Jan 01 06:37:13 Majorly sucks. I finally find a distro which recognizes my SIM card and works as a phone, and I can't do anything else with it. :P Jan 01 06:37:54 are you using the build from the release? Jan 01 06:38:23 if you build yourself, you could probably add a terminal and other stuff to the image Jan 01 06:39:00 Yeah, I used the images at http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ Jan 01 06:39:00 Hmm. That's true. Haven't had any luck building OM so far, though. Jan 01 06:43:31 Dang. Oh well. I guess I'll fix it tomorrow. Thanks for your help. Good night, and happy new year. :) Jan 01 08:38:36 whew Jan 01 08:38:38 first base Jan 01 08:39:06 Dave, where yat Jan 01 08:39:14 Is there a way to kill a locked up app? Jan 01 08:39:31 pop into a terminal and killall it Jan 01 08:39:54 That assumes you know the name. Jan 01 08:40:40 What's the app that alerts you when you get an SMS? Jan 01 08:40:50 qpe Jan 01 08:40:55 Ahhh, OK. Jan 01 08:40:57 killall qpe Jan 01 08:41:17 then you'll get an enlightenment error saying the phone server has crashed, just reboot it and you'll be fine Jan 01 08:41:29 Reboot the phone? Jan 01 08:41:49 There's no program named qpe on my system, it seems. Jan 01 08:41:58 no Jan 01 08:42:00 Just did a find / -name qpe with no results. Jan 01 08:42:09 did you do killall qpe? Jan 01 08:42:19 and no, enlightenment will give you an error Jan 01 08:42:32 No, I already restarted X. Jan 01 08:42:39 oh...welll... Jan 01 08:43:04 cat out /usr/share/applications/"dailer".desktop Jan 01 08:43:17 not sure what the dialer's desktop file name is Jan 01 08:43:29 openmoko-dialer Jan 01 08:43:38 oh...what stack are you using Jan 01 08:43:51 Whatever SHR uses. Jan 01 08:43:57 oic Jan 01 08:44:12 then killall openmoko-messages2 iirc Jan 01 08:44:25 I pgrepped for messages, got nothing. Jan 01 08:44:41 Though openmoko-messages is the SMS program. Jan 01 08:44:54 yeah, no 2...thats the package name, my bad Jan 01 08:45:22 anywho Jan 01 08:45:27 restart x...that works too Jan 01 08:45:29 BTW... Even though the alert shows me the SMS when I receive it, it would seem the carrier isn't charging me. Almost as if I didn't ever actually look at it. Jan 01 08:48:20 you sad about that? Jan 01 08:48:30 Not in the least. :P Jan 01 08:48:32 Just curious. Jan 01 08:48:43 (For .20/SMS, I'm ecstatic) Jan 01 08:48:59 well, try and pester it like a pimple Jan 01 08:49:06 cause the more you mess with it, the longer it stays Jan 01 08:49:09 right? Jan 01 08:49:31 Heheheh, I don't like texting. I don't want to encourage their business model. Jan 01 08:49:48 most carrier phones have specific sms implementations Jan 01 08:49:58 they send information back on opened messages Jan 01 08:50:05 That being "It's free to provide, but we charge a crapload for you to use it" Jan 01 08:50:16 openmoko's old pim apps probably don't do that Jan 01 08:50:27 The new ones do? Jan 01 08:50:46 well, qtopia seems to, since my phone company properly registers it Jan 01 08:50:46 And oddly enough, they have detected one SMS I received and charged me. Jan 01 08:51:06 But that's only one in about 4 received. Jan 01 08:51:23 i'll send you one, pm me your number Jan 01 08:51:26 see how that works Jan 01 08:51:32 * rooly is probably gonna get charged an arm and a leg Jan 01 08:51:52 rooly: Well don't then. :P Jan 01 08:51:58 lol Jan 01 08:52:04 i've got credit to my account Jan 01 08:52:06 don't worry Jan 01 08:52:16 Heheh, OK. Jan 01 08:52:54 Can I make the phone vibe when I recv SMS in silent mode? Jan 01 08:54:26 Got it. Jan 01 08:54:32 i don't know Jan 01 08:54:41 you may have to modify the application Jan 01 08:54:48 but it wouldn't be too hard Jan 01 08:55:14 just echo # >> /sys/path/to/vibration/motor Jan 01 08:55:38 a couple times Jan 01 08:55:56 Yeah. Jan 01 08:56:20 rooly: They're rather expensive. Virtual apples just cost me .20. :( Jan 01 08:56:28 Carrier picked up on it, I guess. Jan 01 08:56:30 lol Jan 01 08:56:52 send one to yourself Jan 01 08:57:09 I'd rather not keep wasting money. Jan 01 08:57:24 i know what you mean Jan 01 08:57:33 they charged you to recieve it? Jan 01 08:57:37 Yeah. Jan 01 08:57:46 that's not how that should work Jan 01 08:58:25 anywho Jan 01 08:58:37 first base man Jan 01 08:58:38 Except the phone opens it upon arrival. Jan 01 08:58:56 met me a pretty little girl not but 2 days ago. Jan 01 08:59:15 Congratulations. Jan 01 08:59:19 Heheh Jan 01 08:59:26 kids Jan 01 08:59:31 and better yet, she's nice and 16 Jan 01 08:59:48 i'm only 20, but still Jan 01 08:59:49 aint to bad Jan 01 09:00:01 rooly: Send her here, I just turned 17 three hours ago. Jan 01 09:00:07 LOL Jan 01 09:00:09 fuck you Jan 01 09:00:11 mine bitch Jan 01 09:00:25 Hey, OK, mind the language. Jan 01 09:00:37 excuse the harsh language, but nobody messes with me on that Jan 01 09:00:50 Your underage girlfriends? Jan 01 09:01:00 nah, just my girlfriend in general Jan 01 09:01:14 anywho Jan 01 09:01:18 first base on first date Jan 01 09:01:52 Riiight, well, I think i'm gonna hit the sack. Jan 01 09:01:55 mind you, i don't want you guys to think i'm into floozies or anything. Jan 01 09:02:04 Heheh Jan 01 09:02:16 but i think its kinda cool Jan 01 09:02:24 i mean, i dated 1 girl in high school Jan 01 09:02:40 and i picked up this one (with a little help) in a matter of 2 days Jan 01 09:02:48 Woot. Jan 01 09:03:33 but maaaaan i'm gonna get made fun of on the job tomorrow Jan 01 09:03:40 Heheh Jan 01 09:03:56 but to hell with them, i have a 16 y/o girlfriend Jan 01 09:04:07 Isn't that illegal? Jan 01 09:04:10 Heheh Jan 01 09:04:19 no, sex is illigal Jan 01 09:04:38 Ohhhh, of course. You're looking for moral support. Jan 01 09:05:00 but right up to before i add part a to part b, its all fine and dandy Jan 01 09:05:20 and in this state i'm in, age of consent is 16 Jan 01 09:05:55 anywho Jan 01 09:05:58 i'm screwing myself over Jan 01 09:06:04 gotta be at work in a few hours Jan 01 09:06:12 you guys have fun now, ya hear? Jan 01 09:06:16 nighty new year Jan 01 09:06:18 Yeah, sure. Jan 01 09:06:22 Later. Jan 01 11:36:46 what file from http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.12/ should I use for flashing NOR? Jan 01 11:38:02 you have debug board or why want you to flash that? Jan 01 11:40:09 you probably want to flash only NAND bootloader.. Jan 01 11:40:48 and its this file gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin if you have gta02 device Jan 01 11:41:20 JaMa: thank you Jan 01 11:41:42 JaMa: and I have a debug board. I'm flashing it because of this bug: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 Jan 01 11:43:16 do you know what the gta02v5-lowlevel.bin file is for? Jan 01 11:44:54 no :( I dont even have debug board.. Jan 01 11:48:26 I am using SHR on my openmoko, the latest images. GSM is not working for me. Would someone help me? Jan 01 11:48:57 JaMa: I don't have it either. Just borrowed it from a friend because of this bug Jan 01 12:04:31 mnagy: lowlevel.bin is used if you need to reload the bootloader on a GTA01. Dunno if it's used at all for a GTA02, unless you use a modified debug board to reflash the NOR (which no end-user should ever need to do) Jan 01 12:05:10 oh, you said you need to flash NOR. Jan 01 12:49:13 rwhitby: yeah, I need it or else I can't update, I still have 2007.2.. as I understand it now, to flash NOR, I should use norwp to enable writing to NOR and then execute the flashnor script, giving him the bin file Jan 01 12:49:43 I just hope I only need gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin for that Jan 01 13:49:04 anyone knows what is the difference between pyneo "zad" and "epydial" images? Jan 01 13:53:51 I installed zhone and rebooted. Now the zhone screen schows no icons. It is just a plain wallpaper, nothing happens on tapping. Jan 01 13:57:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * rc8209c1b2719 10/ (configure.ac src/dbus-hlid.vala): cosmetics Jan 01 14:00:56 good new year Jan 01 14:13:14 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * ra10b337e8421 10/configure.ac: yank dependency on gtk+, this is not a GUI app Jan 01 14:15:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r103e9148c9ab 10/po/Makefile.in.in: add po/Makefile.in.in Jan 01 14:20:27 hai, is it possible to remove all files installed by a package? I installed task-openmoko-games, but it added 20 shortcuts so i dont want it anymore. opkg remove or opkg remove -recursive does not remove the shortcuts Jan 01 14:26:46 xqo: /usr/share/applications/ , maybe just remove the shortcuts Jan 01 14:27:29 alright, ill try that! thank you Jan 01 14:28:35 xqo: if you want to remove the packages installed by task-games, you have to remove each game package Jan 01 14:29:59 i tried that, but they dont seem to be packages removable by opkg remove Jan 01 14:43:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * ra8d46ae2769b 10/ (Makefile.am src/dbus-hlid.vala src/main.vala src/obj.vala): split source files, start service only once Jan 01 14:50:06 uhm, ok.. Jan 01 14:50:14 so I connected the debug board Jan 01 14:50:32 norwp says rw Jan 01 14:50:36 but flashing still fails :( Jan 01 15:10:27 in 2008.8 there was a wrench-symbol in the dropdown-bar with settings. this seems to have disappeared in 2008.12, is it any way i can bring it back? I quite liked it Jan 01 15:10:40 the wrench opened a settings-menu Jan 01 15:11:19 xqo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume Jan 01 15:12:28 opkg install illume-config and edit /etc/enlightenment/default_profile to say illume instead of asu Jan 01 15:12:56 alright cool, thanks a bunch! Jan 01 15:13:37 do i need to restart X or reboot? Jan 01 15:14:02 i think, restarting X is enough Jan 01 15:14:40 usj how do you do that? Jan 01 15:14:43 init.d something Jan 01 15:15:34 /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart Jan 01 15:15:40 thanks Jan 01 15:15:48 np ^^ Jan 01 15:17:59 yea that workjed Jan 01 15:28:02 worked for a few then reverted back to qtopia keyboard Jan 01 15:28:52 i like the color of the qtopia keyboard but i need a terminal Jan 01 15:58:54 scap is sloooooow Jan 01 16:23:17 happy new year Jan 01 16:23:32 * rooly feels sorta like crap Jan 01 16:23:38 oh? Jan 01 16:23:42 yeah Jan 01 16:23:48 it could be because of the 3am bedtime Jan 01 16:23:53 too much drinking or what? Jan 01 16:23:59 ah heh Jan 01 16:24:07 no, didn't drink at all Jan 01 16:24:15 yeah i stayed up too late playing WoW Jan 01 16:24:30 i stayed up late with a girl i met Jan 01 16:24:35 cool Jan 01 16:24:36 but not like that Jan 01 16:24:55 feitingen, Illume sure crashes alot... :-R Jan 01 16:25:10 "This is bad, illume segv'd" Jan 01 16:25:11 * rooly snickers Jan 01 16:25:20 anyone have a screenshot of SHR? Jan 01 16:25:30 shr? Jan 01 16:26:07 stable hybrid release Jan 01 16:26:13 no screenshot... i need to flash SHR again Jan 01 16:26:15 the community-driven om distro Jan 01 16:27:48 oh Jan 01 16:27:50 "FSO is never intended on its own to be a full image, it's just the infrastructure and a demo app. " Jan 01 16:28:41 is there a way to flash the hackable1 distro? the instructions on the hackable1 site says to remove the sd card and do it all on the desktop comp, but that's frustrating Jan 01 16:34:55 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r57f536746f8a 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add const file Jan 01 16:35:24 How can i add a qwerty-button on the dropdown-menu to toggle the keyboard? Jan 01 16:58:35 \ Jan 01 17:00:31 happy new year everyone :) Jan 01 17:09:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r51c96d80fc96 10/src/obj.vala: ListNames Jan 01 17:13:45 hi, sorry for asking again, but I'm pretty desparate.. I need to flash my NOR because of bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1568 Jan 01 17:13:51 norwp says my nor is rw Jan 01 17:13:57 but ./flashnor gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin doesn't work Jan 01 17:14:02 cat: write error: Input/output error Jan 01 17:20:26 how do i start a shell in 2008.12 image? Jan 01 17:39:11 what is Dropbear? Jan 01 17:39:58 tiny ssh daemon Jan 01 17:40:44 alright Jan 01 17:41:52 Or a deadly marsupial. Jan 01 17:49:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r295cd2baa4d5 10/src/obj.vala: query introspection data for root node Jan 01 18:23:12 How do I erase / backspace a character in default keyboard on SHR? Jan 01 18:25:10 drag your finger left on the keyboard Jan 01 18:25:30 anywhere on the keyboard it does not matter Jan 01 18:25:50 and if you drag your finger right you get a space Jan 01 18:25:56 etc Jan 01 19:06:41 what does a blinking red aux light mean? Jan 01 19:07:26 oh, the phone crashed or something Jan 01 19:08:30 Hm... When screen fades away (to black) under SHR, tapping the display doesn't bring back the brightness. Any suggestions? Jan 01 19:17:07 azaghal, press the powerbutton once and then tap the screen Jan 01 19:17:42 feitingen, if it blinks red you probably have a kernel panic :P Jan 01 19:17:53 spydon: Are you talking about suspend? Jan 01 19:18:30 yes Jan 01 19:18:51 spydon: thanks, i expected i would get something like that, never seen it before though Jan 01 19:19:20 spydon: Nope, this is more like the "idle" state is not reset when tapping the screen (I've disabled suspend) Jan 01 19:19:33 Hm... Ok, after reboot it works ok again. Jan 01 19:19:50 weird Jan 01 19:20:42 spydon: I think that it's something related to http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/136 Jan 01 19:20:56 (although I haven't played LiquidWar) Jan 01 20:42:00 * rooly sighs Jan 01 21:08:04 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * r9afa9d11386f 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: changed version if tichy to be used in daily-build Jan 01 21:08:06 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * ree1f9c4626ac 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Jan 01 21:08:06 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * rebab572f2935 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): removing paroli-gui && paroli-dialer Jan 01 21:20:49 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * r7e09364d5b85 10/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc: readded starling Jan 01 21:24:37 yarr Jan 01 21:35:05 Happy new year to everyone!!! Jan 01 21:41:37 Does anyone have problem with suspend with OM 2008.12? Jan 01 21:42:09 After FR getting into suspend mode never wakes up... Jan 01 21:47:00 yes, others have that problem also emsyr Jan 01 21:47:52 Well. I've found something interesting about it. Jan 01 21:48:02 Something that at least works for me. Jan 01 21:48:14 Flashing SHR? :) Jan 01 21:48:45 It has to do with the rotate application Jan 01 21:50:27 When someone installs the rotate application, it puts a scripti in init.d folder to start the application during booting Jan 01 21:51:23 If I live this app running suspend mode has problems (the FR never comes back) Jan 01 21:51:49 If I terminate this app, suspend mode works perfectly Jan 01 21:52:11 How does this sound to you? Jan 01 22:09:28 post to mailing list, in case anyone missed it on IRC? Jan 01 22:09:46 (is rather quiet today isn't it, in IRC?) Jan 01 22:09:57 also you could bung it on the wiki Jan 01 22:12:56 I would but I wanted first to have a second opinion\ Jan 01 22:13:29 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r332 10/trunk/python-elementary/ (elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx tests/test.py): Fixed the problem with the state get/set methods of the toggle widget Jan 01 22:14:03 I also want to send this to the fellow who has written the app in order to have it in mind Jan 01 22:28:44 Does anyone knows which image format does omview support? Jan 01 22:38:10 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r333 10/trunk/python-elementary/tests/test.py: Extends test.py Jan 01 22:39:03 i wonder if the fr will have enough battery life to last a 2hr movie Jan 01 22:39:30 does Jan 01 22:40:52 if not i will be dead bored on the train tomorrow Jan 01 22:41:37 some trains have power sockets? Jan 01 22:42:08 freesmartphone.org: 03morphis * r334 10/trunk/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary.pyx: Implement missing Icon.file_set method Jan 01 22:43:41 almien: yeah, im uncertain if this one does Jan 01 22:43:58 it's a cheap ticket, so guess it won't Jan 01 22:44:49 ill run a test tonight i guess, gotta fill up the fr with goodies now:) Jan 01 22:45:48 almien, in the UK the Virgin Trains main line ones do if you are at a table Jan 01 22:46:20 they are specifically for laptops and mobile phone chargers Jan 01 22:48:18 anybody know any interesting podcasts i should watch Jan 01 22:48:49 jonkristian: linucast, finnish radio show about FLOSS Jan 01 22:49:24 watch, nope but listen then the usual lot from BBC R4 :) Jan 01 22:49:31 :) Jan 01 22:49:35 Tm_T: in english? Jan 01 22:49:59 jonkristian: well you didn't mention that requirement at first (;) Jan 01 22:50:19 hehe Jan 01 22:51:01 jonkristian: I like Security Now, The CommandLine, BSDTalk is a bit specific, those are those often updated Jan 01 22:51:22 thanks, i'll take a look at those Jan 01 22:51:47 There's also Run Your Own Server that's fun Jan 01 22:54:03 * rooly sighs over here then Jan 01 22:54:43 rooly, you are sighing more than usual this evening :) Jan 01 22:56:08 me 2008.12 smoked Jan 01 22:56:35 yeah...well... Jan 01 23:01:46 yuk, browsing in pythm sucks Jan 01 23:01:55 happy new year rooly :) Jan 01 23:02:09 meh Jan 01 23:02:22 its still the same week as last year Jan 01 23:04:48 look its 2009.1:) Jan 01 23:05:37 2009::1 ;) Jan 01 23:06:06 have to start changing the copyright dates again when modifying files now :( Jan 01 23:08:50 could just pipe it all into sed Jan 01 23:23:05 grrr, mencoder is being dumb:/ Jan 01 23:27:22 wassup Jan 01 23:27:44 btw did you get the network working? Jan 01 23:30:04 Tig|: :/ Jan 01 23:30:10 Nopes Jan 01 23:30:17 lindi-: So how's Kapula coming? Jan 01 23:30:28 I wanted to rip lords of dogtown, guess the dvd had too many scratches. Jan 01 23:33:02 lots of read errors? Jan 01 23:34:14 for mencoder? nah, it just hung, kept making some pretty strange noises. Jan 01 23:34:36 ripping ironman instead:D Jan 01 23:35:06 Tig|: as for wlan, i tried several networks, all other networks except for my own, made mofi lock up. Jan 01 23:35:29 I have not tried mofi on an open network here yet Jan 01 23:35:36 at least in my own network, it even get's an ip. Jan 01 23:35:54 ah, maybe that made it hang, it being open Jan 01 23:35:56 I will give it a whirl next time I visit civilisation Jan 01 23:36:24 well i gave it up for now, gotta prepare the phone with some goodies for a long trainride tomorrow. Jan 01 23:36:30 cool Jan 01 23:37:21 just wait it will magically work after an update at some point :) Jan 01 23:37:39 yeah, that's what im hoping:D Jan 01 23:38:18 if we could work out the problem it would speed it up though :) until we can work out if it is your FR or your router there is not an easy way to procede Jan 01 23:38:35 or proceed :) Jan 01 23:39:01 Yes, i will report if i get it working. Jan 01 23:39:17 don't tell me! tell the mofi people! Jan 01 23:39:52 well, you mentioned it worked right out of the box, and i haven't touched any settings after flashing so, could just aswell be my router. Jan 01 23:41:06 well it worked here with a linksys WAG200G adsl/router/wifi box and worked with an WRT54G Jan 01 23:42:26 jonkristian: I saw that too (mofi locking-up for networks other than my home one) - any idea why? Jan 01 23:42:51 but a router should be punting out standard protocols that the FR should understand so if we could find out why we can probably make it work on networks that are not playing by the rules Jan 01 23:43:46 almien: no ideas there:/ Jan 01 23:44:32 mofi has never worked out of the box for me on an open home network Jan 01 23:45:20 Slaxxer: open networks seem to be fine whenever I tried Jan 01 23:46:42 hm Jan 01 23:46:55 well my problem on the home network is strange Jan 01 23:47:12 I suspect the router Jan 01 23:47:32 Tig|: yeah, me too, I've had other issues with those models Jan 01 23:48:02 but I have never liked alcatel / thomson kit but mainly from a bad experience about 9 years ago so not really rational :) Jan 01 23:48:55 it would be nice to have some sort of "connected to internet" icon on titlebar (e.g. occasional ping to a reliable server) like the "connected to phone network" icon Jan 01 23:49:27 yeah, i think my isp might be persuaded to send me another, but probably the same mark Jan 01 23:49:39 s/mark/brand/ Jan 01 23:49:39 jonkristian meant: yeah, i think my isp might be persuaded to send me another, but probably the same brand Jan 01 23:50:20 jonkristian, where are you based? Jan 01 23:50:35 Norway Jan 01 23:51:48 there will be a way of making it work as your laptop can talk to the damn thing :) Jan 01 23:52:02 and it gived the FR and address Jan 01 23:52:43 it sure did, it gave the fr adress and correct dns, but it fails to see that it's active. Jan 01 23:53:14 when you say it fails to see if it is active what do you mean Jan 01 23:53:20 is it a status page Jan 01 23:53:25 yes Jan 01 23:54:07 this is why I am thinking it is a router security thing Jan 01 23:54:23 as wifi is working as you get an IP Jan 01 23:54:28 etc Jan 01 23:54:54 and the lan works as you can ping your laptop Jan 01 23:55:18 ah, does your ISP require you to use a proxy server? Jan 01 23:55:49 hm Jan 01 23:56:04 i am not sure Jan 01 23:56:14 any where i could find out? Jan 01 23:56:25 wait I am talking bollocks Jan 01 23:56:40 otherwise your laptop would not be working Jan 01 23:58:06 we tried tcp window scaling the other night didn't we Jan 01 23:58:14 yeah Jan 01 23:58:26 turned it off on the fr Jan 01 23:58:49 puuuh, that SHR image is big. Jan 01 23:58:58 but i didn't really do much other than a re-connect on mofi Jan 01 23:59:03 before i turned it back on Jan 01 23:59:06 jonkristian, congratulations you have found a new bug that is an utter pain in the arse :) Jan 01 23:59:16 lol! Jan 01 23:59:50 jonkristian, do you know anyone else with a WPA network you could try and connect to ? Jan 02 00:00:11 the idea being comparing like for like Jan 02 00:00:33 Yeah, i know somebody, but right now it won't do much good, it's too late. Jan 02 00:00:43 ah yes Jan 02 00:00:45 erm Jan 02 00:00:57 But i will try that when i get the chance Jan 02 00:01:02 right with the wifi problem I think that is the next step Jan 02 00:01:11 yeah Jan 02 00:01:12 but we will get it working :) Jan 02 00:01:34 I hope so:) btw, i can ssh into the fr when it's connected Jan 02 00:01:56 i turned off the ssh blocking last night, and it worked from my laptop to the phone Jan 02 00:02:15 I am damn sure it is your router Jan 02 00:02:25 but we need to know why :) Jan 02 00:02:34 what model is the router Jan 02 00:03:15 it's a thomson speedtouch Jan 02 00:03:16 ST585 Jan 02 00:03:20 is the model Jan 02 00:03:34 i've tried searching for others with similar issues Jan 02 00:04:02 jonkristian: i've it home too and it sucks. Jan 02 00:04:51 tuju_: but yours is working? Jan 02 00:05:20 well, it works but i have not used it with openmoko and i have firewall and lots of other stuff in that network. Jan 02 00:05:37 i run VLANs in procurve and have external DHCP etc. Jan 02 00:06:12 just was building a openwrt based wifi but it's not finished yet. Jan 02 00:06:17 k Jan 02 00:14:04 jonkristian, what version of the firmware is your router running Jan 02 00:14:20 7.4.1.7 Jan 02 00:14:24 bit of ooogling suggests issues with certain firmwares Jan 02 00:14:29 hm Jan 02 00:18:36 hmm, this is interesting Jan 02 00:18:38