**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 06 02:59:56 2009 Jan 06 02:59:59 so does your kernel have the usb_gadget an stuff enabled Jan 06 03:00:21 i think ubuntu is all turned on Jan 06 03:01:46 does anybody here have a private lan address in their /etc/resolv.conf? Jan 06 03:01:59 It seems now I don't have Internet in my ubuntu neither... xD Jan 06 03:02:03 well, DNS Jan 06 03:02:09 I can't access google.com Jan 06 03:02:25 did u try wifi? Jan 06 03:02:40 can you ping 216.34.181.45 ? Jan 06 03:03:00 Slaxxer, I have wifi downstairs, I'll try later :P Jan 06 03:03:13 his cord came unplugged Jan 06 03:03:29 yes, I can... DNS problem Jan 06 03:03:57 switch to opendns? Jan 06 03:04:28 so your ubuntu machine has a /etc/resolv.conf with what ip address in it? Jan 06 03:05:11 I've restarted netowrking with network manager, I have DNS now Jan 06 03:05:33 p$ cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:05:34 # Generated by NetworkManager Jan 06 03:05:34 domain lan Jan 06 03:05:34 search lan Jan 06 03:05:34 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jan 06 03:05:34 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jan 06 03:11:02 rian@monster:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:11:02 # Generated by dhcpcd for interface eth0 Jan 06 03:11:02 nameserver 68.105.28.12 Jan 06 03:11:02 nameserver 68.105.29.12 Jan 06 03:11:03 nameserver 68.105.28.11 Jan 06 03:12:11 cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:12:25 Slaxxer, I've rebooted freerunner, and now I've another resolv.conf Jan 06 03:12:33 root@om-gta02:~# cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:12:33 nameserver 208.67.222.222 Jan 06 03:12:33 nameserver 208.67.220.220 Jan 06 03:12:46 yes, the same as brian__ Jan 06 03:13:07 I cotninue in the same situation Jan 06 03:13:18 some people are more bullheaded than others Jan 06 03:13:23 from the freerunner I can only ping itself and the computer Jan 06 03:13:38 so whats left Jan 06 03:14:08 try pinging googles ip instead of the name Jan 06 03:14:13 ping the router, ping anything in the Internet :P Jan 06 03:14:40 good now? Jan 06 03:15:47 When I follow the instructions in the wiki and I enter into the frerunner... I lose connection to the router and DNS... :S Jan 06 03:15:52 in my computer Jan 06 03:16:05 wiki suck Jan 06 03:16:16 half the time Jan 06 03:16:23 Let's start Jan 06 03:16:33 I've restarted the network Jan 06 03:17:24 I'm trying this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Jan 06 03:17:57 I first do this: sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Jan 06 03:18:41 Then I can ping neo frerunner Jan 06 03:18:57 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Jan 06 03:19:06 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Jan 06 03:19:17 before doing this, I've been able now to enter through ssh Jan 06 03:19:17 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Jan 06 03:19:33 then i ssh in Jan 06 03:20:31 its a killer device Jan 06 03:20:35 brian__, it's mandatory to do the commands before the ssh? Jan 06 03:20:48 i do it as root Jan 06 03:21:14 i cant ssh in unless i do that but i use slackware Jan 06 03:21:26 I think the iptables and systcl commands are not set to default when restarting network manager Jan 06 03:21:30 =slaxxer Jan 06 03:21:41 ok Jan 06 03:21:47 i dont know Jan 06 03:21:54 Yes, I can ssh in but then I can't ping anything more than itself and the computer Jan 06 03:23:31 it looks like when I do the ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 I lose connection in my computer Jan 06 03:23:57 hmmm Jan 06 03:26:36 Yes, it happened another time Jan 06 03:26:42 ping to google in the computer works Jan 06 03:26:47 I do the ifconfig command Jan 06 03:26:55 and then the same ping doesn't work Jan 06 03:28:06 that maybe helps: Jan 06 03:28:09 $ ping 192.168.0.1 Jan 06 03:28:10 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 06 03:28:10 From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable Jan 06 03:28:20 that's pinging the router after doing the command Jan 06 03:28:53 If I'm not wrong it should go through eth0, which the ip 192.168.0.133 Jan 06 03:29:00 but it takes usb0 ip... Jan 06 03:29:18 192.168.0.202 Jan 06 03:29:41 is the freerunner Jan 06 03:29:53 yes Jan 06 03:29:57 and 200 the computer Jan 06 03:30:29 may it be a problem with the range (the problem with using bla.bla.0.bla instead of a 1) Jan 06 03:30:44 could that be why some change the lan ip on router to 192.168.1.1? Jan 06 03:33:52 Slaxxer, I think so Jan 06 03:34:17 Slaxxer, I'll try with the section "Changing the Neo IP address" in the wiki page Jan 06 03:37:29 I've changed /etc/network/interfaces on Neo Jan 06 03:37:34 rebooting now Jan 06 03:38:35 musicdir=~ Jan 06 03:38:52 musicdir=~/media/card/musis Jan 06 03:39:01 musicdir=~/media/card/music Jan 06 03:39:17 is that correct for pythm? Jan 06 03:39:50 is that tilde supposed to be in there?/ Jan 06 03:39:53 ? Jan 06 03:40:45 i believe no tilde Jan 06 03:40:59 i have 3 gigs of music i cant play:) Jan 06 03:42:02 using a 4gig card? Jan 06 03:42:14 pythm still cant see it Jan 06 03:42:21 yup Jan 06 03:43:12 weboot Jan 06 03:43:58 Ok, now it continues the same (just ping to computer and freerunner) but at least I have internet in the computer! xD Jan 06 03:45:59 what does your desktop have in /etc/resolv.conf now Jan 06 03:46:25 resolv.conf is a weird convention Jan 06 03:46:38 why not spell the word resolve Jan 06 03:46:46 one more letter Jan 06 03:48:02 brian__: still can't see it? Jan 06 03:48:12 Slaxxer, the same as before, is the frerunner the one I've changed Jan 06 03:48:22 computer: $ cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:48:22 # Generated by NetworkManager Jan 06 03:48:22 domain lan Jan 06 03:48:22 search lan Jan 06 03:48:22 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jan 06 03:48:23 nameserver 192.168.0.1 Jan 06 03:48:54 freerunner: # cat /etc/resolv.conf Jan 06 03:48:55 nameserver 208.67.222.222 Jan 06 03:48:55 nameserver 208.67.220.220 Jan 06 03:49:19 but I think the problem isn't here, as i can't neither ping google's IP Jan 06 03:49:48 I think I've to set the commands displayed on the wiki to fit the new IP I've set to the neo Jan 06 03:50:55 info --> Neo's inet addr:192.168.100.1 computer's inet addr:192.168.100.254 Jan 06 03:51:45 Then I should use the commands from the wiki modified to fit my IP's? Jan 06 03:51:48 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Jan 06 03:51:48 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Jan 06 03:51:48 ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Jan 06 03:58:19 Anyone looked at dasher for the FR? It's another pseudo-keyboard. Jan 06 04:03:14 where is it? Jan 06 04:04:00 http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ Jan 06 04:04:20 * cjb was its developer for two years :) Jan 06 04:04:28 but I haven't looked at it for the FR Jan 06 04:52:04 Hi, my GPS doesn't seem to work properly. Is there some special thing I need to do in order for it to work? Jan 06 04:57:16 what distribution are you using? Jan 06 04:59:18 Arg0naut: SHR Jan 06 05:00:27 http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks scroll down to no gps found error Jan 06 05:01:27 .j #openmoko-cdevel Jan 06 05:01:29 oops Jan 06 05:02:03 Arg0naut: Well, I figured that one out already. Now my problem is that the GPS keeps placing me at the equator which is not my location Jan 06 05:02:21 you sure? :P Jan 06 05:02:49 Well at first... Jan 06 05:03:24 I think I had the GPS working properly one time and then it never worked right again after that Jan 06 06:23:09 http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary Jan 06 06:27:40 thats the most retarded thing i've ever seen Jan 06 06:29:27 so retarded its not funny Jan 06 06:31:00 I can't for the life of me get the tangogps icon to show up on the illume desktop.. it seems random what is showing up and what isn't Jan 06 06:31:24 I've edited the tangogps.desktop file to have fields very similar to other things that are showing up and still no luck Jan 06 06:36:50 how are the symlinks in ~/.e/e/appshadow generated? Jan 06 06:37:02 kd8ikt: I thought it was hilarious. Especially with all the keyboard debates around these days... Jan 06 06:39:21 The slogans sound more like microsoft though. "The Wheel. Reinvented." Jan 06 06:52:51 so my openmoko cant seem to register on the mobile phone network Jan 06 06:53:15 anything i can try? Jan 06 06:53:24 just wondering if they sent me the north american version by accident instead of the world version. Jan 06 08:07:52 raster: so, the lock in syscon (from the power button menu) asks for a password to unlock? Jan 06 08:08:46 thats just standard e desklock Jan 06 08:08:47 so yes Jan 06 08:11:19 hello guys Jan 06 08:24:25 the emu is soo much bad , i tested it in a very good machine , and its bearlly working , ill try it now on another one Jan 06 09:18:35 I fear that the power-supply/charger circut is blown in my FR. Jan 06 09:19:35 Can people here confirm that it should be possible to remove the battery whiel the USB is charging when the FR is up and running ? Jan 06 09:19:44 Mine shuts down instantly :( Jan 06 09:20:24 even if "cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type" says "charger 1A mode 500mA" Jan 06 09:23:33 finnarne: it depends, i think. Moreover you have 500mA limit for some reason? It's sometimes not enough with backlight, gsm and other devices on. IIRC. Jan 06 09:24:00 finnarne: try with the wall charger and 1A limit. Jan 06 09:24:15 PaulFertser: Same there. Jan 06 09:24:57 I was thinking kind of the same, so I killed X, maybe I should have powered down modem and stuff as well... Jan 06 09:25:35 finnarne: wall charger should be enough, i think. Many people described hot-swapping the flat battery with wall charger plugged in... Jan 06 09:27:21 now I have 3 flat batteries, and 1 non-fr battery (680mAh battery from my bluetooth GPS device) Jan 06 09:28:52 nope. it shuts down using the wall charger as well. Jan 06 09:29:50 guys , anyone has info on how ot localize openmoko ? Jan 06 09:31:47 finnarne: and you haven't tried to activate any tricky things like providing power to usb devices (using FR as a host), etc?.. And you tried to force 1A mode manually? Jan 06 09:33:33 PaulFertser: nope, I've only used usb-cabel to laptop, and charger. Jan 06 09:34:35 finnarne: have you tried forcing 1A mode while using the charger? Jan 06 09:35:07 not lately, But I have seen it stating that it charges uning 1mA yesterday I think Jan 06 09:35:20 1mA??? Jan 06 09:35:30 sorry, 1A Jan 06 09:37:02 finnarne: i'm out of ideas :( Jan 06 09:38:09 PaulFertser: I just tried to force 1A, and it said "charger 1A mode 1A" Jan 06 09:38:24 but when I tried to switch battery again, it died on me... Jan 06 09:39:12 finnarne try to charge the batteries in other host for the time being Jan 06 09:40:03 gfather[a]: I have an old nokia where I tried to charge the battery last night to no avail. Jan 06 09:40:33 finnarne: you can try to describe your problems on hardware- mailing list. But it sounds like a hardware failure to me... Jan 06 09:41:31 I've ordered a charger for BL-5C but have to wait for it to arrive... Jan 06 09:42:49 finnarne: your laptop should not be able to provide 1A (specification allows only 500mA for USB), so you _have_ to use the wallcharger! Jan 06 09:43:20 finnarne can you boot the device with other batteries ? Jan 06 09:43:39 sleipnir: ahh sorry. I have a 21" LCD which has a built-in hub Jan 06 09:44:16 gfather[a]: yes, I can boot it using the battery that came with the bluetooth GPS that came with my SE P1i Jan 06 09:44:33 * finnarne just signed into the hw-ml. Jan 06 09:44:47 finnarne: that doesn't matter. per default you can't assume a USB hub to provide more than 500mA, just try the wallcharger (it's proven to provide 1A) Jan 06 09:45:06 then boot it with other battery Jan 06 09:45:10 when it complete Jan 06 09:45:15 plug the usb in Jan 06 09:45:24 then try to switch batteries Jan 06 09:45:47 sleipnir: i have a modified powered usb-hub which can provide 4A, is it possible to set the phone to charge at this current? Jan 06 09:46:08 gfather[a]: It dies, both when using the power from my LCD screen, and from my wall charger. Jan 06 09:46:13 I just tried it .. Jan 06 09:46:40 feitingen: dunno, better ask on the ML, however i guess that 1A is the max for the pcf Jan 06 09:46:44 then , can you charge the battery on the gps devise ? Jan 06 09:47:02 ahoi Jan 06 09:47:28 gfather[a]: no, the battery wont fit, the notches on the battery is in the wrong place. Jan 06 09:48:03 but I will check with the older GPS device that I have in the car. I think it's the same device, but it slightly older. Maybe it will fit. Jan 06 09:48:15 try that Jan 06 09:48:24 just that the battery has enouph to boot Jan 06 09:48:47 then when connected to device u can charge again , and never let it die Jan 06 09:49:05 finnarne: the wallcharger doesn't work? Jan 06 09:51:16 finnarne , try this Jan 06 09:51:34 press AUX button, then plug USB power, then press power button (keeping AUX pressed Jan 06 09:51:46 does it boot ? Jan 06 09:51:57 cross ur fingers Jan 06 09:52:06 :) Jan 06 09:52:29 sleipnir: now I have the 680mAh battery of the GPS installed. I set up wireless on it, then moved the device to the wall charger Jan 06 09:53:04 root@om-gta02:~# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type Jan 06 09:53:04 charger 1A mode 1A Jan 06 09:53:04 finnarne ? Jan 06 09:53:25 gfather[a]: no Jan 06 09:53:47 with the origonal battery ? Jan 06 09:53:53 nope Jan 06 09:54:13 try without a battery Jan 06 09:54:20 yesterday I was able to get almost to the stage where X started, then it died. Jan 06 09:54:33 gfather[a]: Tried that, a number of times. Jan 06 09:54:42 with pc ? Jan 06 09:54:56 gfather[a]: and with wall-charger Jan 06 09:55:14 so booting the nor u-boot does not work at all? Jan 06 09:55:36 its repoorted to work , not sure what going on with him Jan 06 09:55:47 henk: sometimes, but it never complete the booting until the device dies on me Jan 06 09:56:06 gfather[a]: that's what i mean ;) i had difficulties yesterday myself because everything was very unreliable, but it worked sometimes at least. Jan 06 09:56:31 finnarne: ah ok, so everything related to external power sources fails it seems. Jan 06 09:57:14 well i can only think of using something external to charge the battery Jan 06 09:57:32 finnarne: I'm confused. Do you try to revive your battery or do you try to boot without battery? Jan 06 09:57:36 that doesn't solve the problem though... Jan 06 09:58:18 sleipnir: afaict he's trying to find out why the FR doesn't charge the battery or use the external power anymore. Jan 06 09:58:40 I think that I've tried all methods described on the wiki and on the ML that I've found. nand/nor u-boot, USB from laptop (with or without a LCD-screen in between) , and using wall-charger, I've tried booting without battery, and with GTA02-battery. Jan 06 09:59:19 finnarne: what's your goal? Jan 06 09:59:33 hes battery is dead Jan 06 09:59:42 and he want to charge it back Jan 06 09:59:46 right ? Jan 06 09:59:50 sleipnir: short-time: get the fr to charge my battery Jan 06 10:00:02 brb 10 minutes Jan 06 10:00:33 than start to nand with a spare battery, attach the wallcharger, exchange battery and leave it like this DO NOT BOOT! Jan 06 10:01:32 this worked for me at least Jan 06 10:16:08 sleipnir: wont nand shut down if there is no activity ? Jan 06 10:19:30 finnarne: you can set the timeout somehow Jan 06 10:21:30 boot_menu_timeout iirc Jan 06 10:23:04 is there a fso chat room? Jan 06 10:23:58 finnarne: you could even try "neo1973 charger status" (from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands) Jan 06 10:24:20 grr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands Jan 06 10:24:24 dns53: not that i know of... if there is, it is probably not openmoko related, but fso generally Jan 06 10:24:26 I get play_only Jan 06 10:24:50 hm? Jan 06 10:27:11 dns53: fso developers are mostly at #openmoko-cdevel Jan 06 10:27:57 cool Jan 06 10:31:18 sleipnir: when booting into nand, I get "Power: 1000mA" Jan 06 10:32:35 finnarne: and what does the charger status tells you? Jan 06 10:33:18 sleipnir: "play_only" Jan 06 10:33:38 just a second... Jan 06 10:34:58 If I issue a "neo1973 charger fast" Jan 06 10:35:15 I get back "not implemented yet" Jan 06 10:36:07 command "version" tells me I got "U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (Apr 2 2008 - 09:31:05)" Jan 06 10:36:26 thats... old. Jan 06 10:36:33 afaik Jan 06 10:39:19 maybe I shuold start with upgrading the nand uboot ? Jan 06 10:39:31 yes Jan 06 10:39:36 upgrade every thing Jan 06 10:39:48 and what os do u use ? Jan 06 10:40:01 debian lenny Jan 06 10:40:14 i see Jan 06 10:40:28 or did you mean on the FR ? Jan 06 10:40:39 there I got Om2008.12 Jan 06 10:40:40 on the fr Jan 06 10:40:40 :) Jan 06 10:40:53 try fat om Jan 06 10:41:00 it has allot of fixes and stuff Jan 06 10:41:19 see the wiki for more detaild comparesion Jan 06 10:41:47 but there is also lots of stuff in there which just doesn't work... Jan 06 10:42:54 I had fat OM but it didnæt work (maybe I still got it on the 4GB SD) so I installed qt-extended (latest stable), then I got into these charging/battery problems, and while I had a working GTA02 battery, I install Om2008.12 intop flash Jan 06 10:43:14 qtextended mostly worked. Jan 06 10:44:57 shr is looking nice but it does not have as many apps Jan 06 10:46:00 finnarne: a quick look at the code tells me that your FR is _not_ charging Jan 06 10:46:15 guys anyone can buil a vmware image for om ? Jan 06 10:46:34 hello. is there anybody with knowledge of electronics? about the bad audio quality, that is missing <300 Hz sound spectrum. people say that capacity of C4111 and C4110 is too small. but are there really units of "uF"? microF? or maybe pF? Jan 06 10:46:45 finnarne: try autofast instead of fast Jan 06 10:47:08 Raigedas: uF is microF Jan 06 10:47:24 yes, i know but... Jan 06 10:47:31 hey - now I got sub_suspend as charger status Jan 06 10:47:45 maybe there is error in schema? Jan 06 10:47:52 Raigedas: why do you think so? Jan 06 10:47:56 1uF is really big.. Jan 06 10:48:10 Raigedas: no, it's not ;) Jan 06 10:48:15 mm.. Jan 06 10:48:39 Raigedas: look at any amplifier schematics. Notice the caps separating DC. Jan 06 10:48:51 finnarne: sorry to tell you that in uboot you can't change the charge mode Jan 06 10:49:06 sleipnir: I still get "not implemented yet" on bot fast and autofast Jan 06 10:49:49 finnarne: as I said it's not implemented Jan 06 10:49:55 PaulFertser, and what about replacement. they recommend at least 6.8 uF. ideally 100uF how big are these? Jan 06 10:50:27 finnarne: I have no further idea, maybe ask at the ML Jan 06 10:51:02 sleipnir: thx, I will Jan 06 10:51:08 Raigedas: you can get 4.7uF and afaik it's maximum for that size, unfortunately. It's exactly what users will find in v7. It's probably big enough to be compensatable by wolfson's equalizer. Jan 06 10:52:33 Raigedas: you can also just short the caps and integrate 100uF in your headphones jack. But remeber that you'll have DC and only your prepared headphones will work. Jan 06 10:52:35 PaulFertser, but it would not be suitable if i listen to high quality music 14 hours a day? Jan 06 10:53:14 i mean 4.7 uF . would that suit? Jan 06 10:53:33 Raigedas: i'm afraid not. But i think nobody's really tried to _measure_ the quality. Jan 06 10:56:10 to intergrate capacitors in headphones is not a problm for me. but i am affraid that this would not be ideal solution becouse when you short C4111 then current always would flow throgh R4117 dont to ground Jan 06 10:56:23 PaulFertser, isnt that true? Jan 06 10:57:23 if i short C4111 then i must disconnect R4117 ? Jan 06 10:57:42 and integrate it near headphones too Jan 06 10:57:59 Joerg writes: I won't recommend shorting the DC-blocking capacitors. A decent rework/fix Jan 06 10:58:02 comprises finding a place for 2 100uF, and then connecting these in parallel Jan 06 10:58:05 to the 1uF, preferably by by shielded two-wires-cable. If these big Jan 06 10:58:07 capacitors are located outside can, I strongly suggest to place a ferrite Jan 06 10:58:10 bead directly on the hole where the cable enters he can, to block RF from Jan 06 10:58:51 entering the can (homebrew buzzissue). Jan 06 10:59:33 ok.. Jan 06 11:00:30 Alternative would be to use a headphone amplifier Jan 06 11:00:48 (though that raises issues of RFI on that) Jan 06 11:00:55 (plugged into the FR) Jan 06 11:01:05 but if you're doing that, you may as well go to BT headphones Jan 06 11:02:28 BT? Jan 06 11:05:31 Hi, I'm using OM2008.12. Can I blank the screen with out suspending? Jan 06 11:08:03 Raigedas: i'm not sure bluetooth works good with FR for listening. Have seen no successful reports of it, actually :( Jan 06 11:08:21 :( Jan 06 11:09:42 my local shop have these: 100uF 6.3V SMD 105° 6.3X5.8mm - http://www.lemona.lt/LIUSE/Images/1_50SMD.JPG Jan 06 11:09:57 but i have no idea how to place htem inside... Jan 06 11:10:01 *them Jan 06 11:11:40 What are peoples opinion on SHR as a kind of useable phone> Jan 06 11:11:42 ? Jan 06 11:12:32 our opinion is that FreeRunner will be usable phone Jan 06 11:12:38 we just need time Jan 06 11:12:42 :) Jan 06 11:14:27 I got a freerunner for christmas (under no illusions it is a finished product) and I would like to use it, maybe help with thesting etc. but I'm not sure what distro to use, I have OM on at the moment, how does SHR compare? Jan 06 11:16:03 Raigedas: joerg never mentioned removing R411[67], so i assume it's ok to leave them there even if you short the C's. But you better ask him directly or look at the datasheet. And he suggests to place the caps outside the can and route wires (cutting a small hole in the can) to them. Jan 06 11:17:08 simoo: Jan 06 11:17:10 shr rox Jan 06 11:17:47 kd8ikt: :) thanks, I'll give it a go Jan 06 11:18:14 simoo, i use OM daily build (jan 3) and GSM is stable enough - most of the time people can reach me. i found a workaround for echo problem too by adjusting mixer. Jan 06 11:18:42 so, i started to use FR as my primary phone Jan 06 11:18:48 Raigedas: imo integrating the caps in the headphones jack is the easiest solution. And you can ask Joerg (DocScrutinizer) on IRC about the R411[67]. Jan 06 11:19:02 Raigedas: Thanks, do you ever completely miss a text? Jan 06 11:19:10 i thought OM daily didnt even come with a dialer app Jan 06 11:19:36 simmo. text? you mean SMS? Jan 06 11:19:43 yeah, sorry Jan 06 11:19:52 my cousin gave me a lil GPS antenna Jan 06 11:20:26 simmo, i almost never send SMS. i would try it right now.. Jan 06 11:20:39 *i will Jan 06 11:21:22 thanks, all I really need is basic phone usage, but don't want to miss any sms Jan 06 11:24:33 simooo, really... looks like there is no SMS at all on that OM that i have... but i can assure that debian (zhone) has capabality at least to receive SMS Jan 06 11:24:44 maybe to send too already Jan 06 11:25:01 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Jan 06 11:27:00 PaulFertser, yes, integrating the caps in the headphones jack is really easiest solution. ok i would ask Joerg (DocScrutinizer) about R4117/6 . thank you very much Jan 06 11:27:40 does he come to this channel? Jan 06 11:27:43 Well, i use Qt Extended (the modified packages with mp3 support and gtalk), and that works fine :) Jan 06 11:27:46 Raigedas: bluetooth Jan 06 11:27:50 Raigedas: occasionally, yes Jan 06 11:27:57 (as in, i can send and recieve SMS) Jan 06 11:28:08 L Jan 06 11:28:41 Raigedas: I think yes. And he's usually at #openmoko-cdevel. Jan 06 11:28:44 leinir: thanks, I tried that but am I right in saying there is no way of importing contacts to the phone Jan 06 11:29:06 simoo: Nope, you are not :) Jan 06 11:29:25 see those recent 3 snappy's i took on the top of scap? Jan 06 11:29:54 think my clock is wrong though Jan 06 11:30:09 hows frameworkd comming along with gps auto time update? Jan 06 11:30:51 leinir: oh good, so what cantacts can I import and where do I find the distro you mentioned? Jan 06 11:31:18 ehrm... i honestly don't remember where i found that version of it... Jan 06 11:32:19 i can stick it somewhere for you to download, if you wanna :) Jan 06 11:33:51 leinir: thanks a lot :) I'm a little confused about what distro to use! I would like to help out with openmoko Jan 06 11:34:27 Hmm... Well, Qt Extended isn't an openmoko distribution per se... Jan 06 11:34:55 It's fast and all sorts of nice, but it doesn't use the Xorg based windowing system most of the OM distros use :) Jan 06 11:35:05 So it may well not be what you're after so much :) Jan 06 11:35:51 from that description maybe it is what I need first, I wouldlike to use the phone as a phone Jan 06 11:36:26 Right :) Jan 06 11:36:31 Just a second... Jan 06 11:40:56 is there a german dictionary available for rasters keyboard? Jan 06 11:41:15 bipak_: you can use one from /usr/share/dict/ from your desktop afair Jan 06 11:41:42 simoo: if you want to help, i'd suggest fso, since that's the framework that's going to be used for Om2009 afaik. Jan 06 11:42:00 henk: ah ok Jan 06 11:42:03 henk: great thanks Jan 06 11:42:53 *nods* :) Jan 06 11:43:40 are there images for it? Jan 06 11:44:29 ten megs left of 55.2 meg upload Jan 06 11:44:58 simoo: yes, see the wiki under distributions. Jan 06 11:45:09 leinir: is that the Qt extended? thanks Jan 06 11:46:03 *curtsies* You are most welcome, Sir :) Jan 06 11:46:13 http://leinir.dk/temp/qtext/ Jan 06 11:46:59 wow leinir i really like your webpage Jan 06 11:47:23 kd8ikt: *giggles* The apache file listing, or...? ;) Jan 06 11:48:17 even if the context popup menues are tough to impossible to read and the background is probably a seizure waiting to happen Jan 06 11:48:27 I'm grabbing it now... Jan 06 11:49:01 kd8ikt: Oh, the index.html in the temp folder? *giggles* that's an ooold experiment :) Jan 06 11:49:18 its cool Jan 06 11:49:33 Hehe, thanks :) Jan 06 11:49:36 what is it flash? Jan 06 11:49:42 It's, i think, eight years old or so :) Jan 06 11:49:52 Yeah, it's my... second project in flash i think :) Jan 06 11:50:20 still better than mine and i used a damn template Jan 06 11:50:21 http://we.trekbeyond.org/ Jan 06 11:50:24 Oh no, wait, this one is a bit later on... fourth project - it's after i started working on Reinhardt :) Jan 06 11:51:22 My curent site is sort of... decidedly more simple :) Jan 06 11:53:07 simoo, sorry, i have lied to you. i have just received SMS from friend to OM :) Jan 06 11:54:06 Raigedas: s'ok, this might be a silly question but if FSO is the way forward for openmoko, then what is OM? Jan 06 11:54:21 OM is the base system :) Jan 06 11:54:31 The phone apps on there are basically demo apps ): Jan 06 11:54:32 :) Jan 06 11:54:52 so fso has om at it's base? Jan 06 11:55:17 simoo: fso is going to be the base for next om releases. Jan 06 11:55:24 AH! Jan 06 11:56:24 and I can expect working calls phonebook and sms - sounds good Jan 06 12:01:27 here's a question, with so much development going in to Android and it being ported to the freerunner so you think it will become the best end user disrto? Jan 06 12:01:55 define 'best' Jan 06 12:02:10 it lacks dpkg and apt, so its going to fail to get my first preference... Jan 06 12:02:12 my cuz has the G1 Jan 06 12:02:23 most useable, intuitive Jan 06 12:02:35 as a phone, I mean Jan 06 12:02:39 It also lacks xorg, so it's got exactly the same nifty and meh as qt extended does :) Jan 06 12:03:24 nifty and meh? Jan 06 12:03:42 pros and cons :) Jan 06 12:03:48 ic :) Jan 06 12:04:16 It will only work with programs written specifically for it, but it is very consistently designed :) Jan 06 12:04:33 I thought about getting a G1 but got the freerunner instead Jan 06 12:04:44 Good choice :) Jan 06 12:04:52 aye :) Jan 06 12:05:03 The G1 is a locked-down device, essentially, the freerunner is free to the very core :) Jan 06 12:05:19 exactly why I went for it in the end Jan 06 12:05:35 you gotta support what you believe in Jan 06 12:05:50 So if it turns out that android ends up on the top, well, you can still run that on the freerunner :) If that fails and one of the OpenMoko stacks or Qt Extended win out, well, then you'd have been stuffed :) Jan 06 12:06:04 yeah Jan 06 12:06:45 So, wether you look at it from an ideological or selfish standpoint - you win :) Jan 06 12:07:07 :) true Jan 06 12:07:33 openmoko is the future Jan 06 12:07:36 right so I thought I would give fso a shot first im looking here http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone4.1/ what image do I need Jan 06 12:07:41 we only have to spend more time on it Jan 06 12:08:18 guys , im going to localize the openmoko for arabic , so pleas if anyone have info about localization tell me Jan 06 12:11:01 * leinir hasn't the slightest clue :) Jan 06 12:11:19 :) Jan 06 12:11:24 well thats a start Jan 06 12:11:28 kd8ikt: Thanks for reminding me, by the way, there were some updates needed on my front page ;) Jan 06 12:14:03 is there @ least localizations projects ? Jan 06 12:15:28 cheers Jan 06 12:17:17 henk: do you know where i have to put the dictionary? Jan 06 12:21:04 damn the emu is soo bad :( Jan 06 12:21:20 common guys , some one releas a vmwar image of om Jan 06 12:21:25 Raigedas: he came! :) Jan 06 12:21:34 Hi, DocScrutinizer2 :) Jan 06 12:21:48 PaulFertser, thank you again:) Jan 06 12:24:38 DocScrutinizer2, hello. i would like to talk a little about a solution for poor audio. easy solution would be to put the C4111/0 caps in the headphones jack. but i am affraid that this would not be ideal solution becouse when you short C4111 inside phone then current always would flow throgh R4117 dont to ground Jan 06 12:24:49 DocScrutinizer2, isnt that true? Jan 06 12:25:02 hi! what can I do if my X server crashes? Jan 06 12:25:09 * current always would flow throgh R4117 to ground Jan 06 12:25:30 I think after installing of some(many) apps Jan 06 12:29:03 Raigedas: yes, basically that's correct Jan 06 12:30:20 so if i short C4111 and put it outside phone, then i must disconnect R4117 (and put the same outside) ? Jan 06 12:30:46 bipak_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_change_the_dictionary_used_by_the_predictive_keyboards_.3F Jan 06 12:31:41 simoo: i'd think the latest illume image for gta02 with .jffs2.summary extension for nand. Jan 06 12:32:06 henk: thanks Jan 06 12:36:11 i cant find any clue on the localization of openmoko Jan 06 12:36:28 didnt any other groups loclize the om to otehr languages ? Jan 06 12:36:38 otehr = other Jan 06 12:36:42 Raigedas: sorry i just cheated a little to get my internet tablet despite my doctor prohibiting any computer work (he thinks I should concentrate on curing my flu). So I have no schematics right now. And I'm a little dizzy due to a few ° overtemp. cant answer your quetion right now Jan 06 12:40:30 DocScrutinizer2: pantsie ! Jan 06 12:41:14 DocScrutinizer2: go sleep some hours. Jan 06 12:42:08 DocScrutinizer2: and get better Jan 06 12:43:12 DocScrutinizer2, ok, good luck and be healthy soon! Jan 06 13:02:00 DocScrutinizer2: get well soon! :) Have you properly vacinated against flu? It seems to help, at least in my family and according to russian statistics. Jan 06 13:04:34 PaulFertser: alas not. wasn't able to get a date before i went to TPE early NOV Jan 06 13:04:56 so that's probably the bill Jan 06 13:05:43 hmm, something works here :) Jan 06 13:05:50 i am getting internet via gprs Jan 06 13:05:53 DocScrutinizer2: btw you can perform vacination yourself. It's fairly easy technically speaking. Easier than SMT soldering ;) Jan 06 13:06:17 you "just" need the vaccine... Jan 06 13:07:26 Does anyone know what are the numbers following the words in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts files? Jan 06 13:07:28 sure. if you have someone to survey and take action on a very rare anaphylactic shock ;-) Jan 06 13:08:01 now it's too late, obviously Jan 06 13:08:18 DocScrutinizer2: btw, i've experienced the buzz issue so i will definetely perform a rework soon. Under the supervision of an experienced guy hopefully. Considering all the great advices you gave me. Thanks for all your efforts and get well soon ! :) Jan 06 13:08:44 thanks :-) Jan 06 13:08:56 azaghal: I think it is usage, how often the word appears Jan 06 13:09:09 Daramarak: Thanks for the info ;) Jan 06 13:09:22 really gets boring in bed all the time, after a week or so Jan 06 13:09:45 I wonder how raster generated those, though? It can't be he entered them manually :) Jan 06 13:10:30 For each word he did a google search on, and entered the number of hits :) Jan 06 13:10:45 Daramarak: You're serious? Jan 06 13:11:01 azaghal: No :) Jan 06 13:11:13 To be honest, it _could_ be done via shell script :) Jan 06 13:11:50 Hm... If I found an electronic version of some books or newspapers in Serbian... Hm... Jan 06 13:13:26 azaghal: Do you have a linux desktop machine? Jan 06 13:13:31 Of course I do. Jan 06 13:13:40 I could start with aspell-sr dictionary. Jan 06 13:13:48 The thing's huge, though. Jan 06 13:13:57 azaghal: Then you can use the dictionary files from it Jan 06 13:14:16 My was huge too, but a script could easly trim away the least used words. Jan 06 13:14:29 Well, how do you determine which are the least used ones? Jan 06 13:14:49 Well, you could google each word ;) Jan 06 13:15:17 Actually the one I found had the same format Jan 06 13:15:24 Heheh Jan 06 13:16:01 Daramarak: Which package? (for your language) Jan 06 13:19:01 azaghal: I am not at my home computer now, so I cannot check it. I found it by googling on openmoko and dictionary. Jan 06 13:21:08 Ok, thanks :) Jan 06 13:21:13 what about broken X server? Jan 06 13:21:27 it fails on startup now Jan 06 13:22:23 azaghal: Try this http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1595458 Jan 06 13:22:30 Thanks Jan 06 13:23:36 Hm... Somehow I doubt anyone has done it for Serbian ;) Jan 06 13:24:04 Thanks in any case :) Jan 06 13:25:50 I think that it's no other way except to make a backup using dfu and re flash(((( are you agree with me? Jan 06 13:26:22 I don't khow why ssh via usb isn't working(( Jan 06 13:26:50 leavittx: doesn't work after a reboot either? Jan 06 13:26:55 yes Jan 06 13:27:02 it fails on sturt up Jan 06 13:27:25 It happened after "opkg -nodeps install pidgin" Jan 06 13:27:41 it was enlightement error Jan 06 13:28:03 *start up Jan 06 13:29:58 for me, it's more interesting what happened with ssh Jan 06 13:30:06 what do you think? Jan 06 13:34:00 hi what is the endianness of the GTA02's processor? Jan 06 13:35:09 Hi all Jan 06 13:36:14 hi what is the endianness of the GTA02's processor? Jan 06 13:36:37 Does any one know where does Android[running on a Freerunner] writes NMEA messages ? Jan 06 13:40:44 alap: little, unless something serious has passed me by Jan 06 13:42:10 hey! Jan 06 13:42:25 , could you try to help me? Jan 06 13:45:14 or just say how to make a backup using dfu-util? Jan 06 13:46:42 why does android only have 2 states, booting and shutting down? Jan 06 13:49:14 alap: it can use both LE and BE, i think. Jan 06 13:51:11 oh and now it has a flash red LED fast mode Jan 06 13:51:22 so three useless states in its state machine :-) Jan 06 13:51:32 backup using dfu-util people, please! Jan 06 13:52:11 PaulFertser: thanks Jan 06 13:52:15 Weiss, alap: "Current generation ARM processors (from ARM6 onwards) have the option of operating in either little-endian or big-endian mode." And Jan 06 13:52:24 leavittx: look up the neotool Jan 06 13:52:27 we have >ARM6 Jan 06 13:52:45 uhm... are you entirely sure there? Jan 06 13:52:56 Last i heard, the freerunner uses an ARMv5 Jan 06 13:53:01 ARM9TDMI Jan 06 13:53:33 leinir: it's ARMv4T Jan 06 13:53:34 PaulFertser:but we can use only one endianness Jan 06 13:54:00 Right Jan 06 13:54:03 alap: one at a time, yes :) Jan 06 13:54:44 alap: and there's no effort to get any distribution running in arm BE mode, at least i haven't heard about any. Jan 06 13:55:48 leavittx: what do you want to backupo? Jan 06 13:56:45 leavittx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool Jan 06 13:57:54 u cud always just printf an int out to file and have a look at it Jan 06 13:58:47 , everything, I think Jan 06 13:58:53 PaulFertser: yes even i was looking to build cross compiler for that and i had not seen anyone going for BE Jan 06 13:59:32 PaulFertser: slug stuff runs in BE mode Jan 06 13:59:38 leavittx: you can backup the card with a card reader and a computer or via ssh. the flash can be backuped using dfu-util with -U or -D Jan 06 13:59:45 and we can switch endian in OE real easy Jan 06 14:01:00 , what is the full command to make a backup using dfu-util? Jan 06 14:01:45 leavittx: a backup of? Jan 06 14:02:09 of rootfs, I think Jan 06 14:02:12 or what? Jan 06 14:02:20 dfu-util -a rootfs -U rootfs-`date`.jffs2 Jan 06 14:02:34 leavittx: perhaps you need -d as well if you have more than one dfu compatible device. Jan 06 14:02:55 leavittx: see dfu-util -l for devices and alt (-a) settings. Jan 06 14:03:06 leavittx: you might want to add -R as well. Jan 06 14:03:26 * XorA hates having a freerunner that doesnt recover from suspend Jan 06 14:03:48 , and the full command is... Jan 06 14:04:42 150220 < henk> dfu-util -a rootfs -U rootfs-`date`.jffs2 Jan 06 14:04:49 XorA: is there a reason to prefer BE on ARM? I think it was the decision of slug engineers but what was the reasoning? Jan 06 14:04:52 minimal full command for a rootfs backup. Jan 06 14:05:24 PaulFertser: no idea, I guess some data streaming operations become a lot simpler in BE mode Jan 06 14:05:56 and humans work in BE mode :-) Jan 06 14:06:56 XorA: Well, network byte order is BE, yes... But why no other arm-based devices use it then? Hm... And i've read some folks run LE on slug, did they compare the performance? Jan 06 14:07:50 PaulFertser: there was some old discussion on LKML I think, you would need to talk to mwester or rwhitby probably Jan 06 14:09:07 leinir: Hi, im flashing the qt extenended image you hosted (thank you) so how do I go about importing contacts? can I ssh in? Jan 06 14:09:25 The contacts should show up once it registers on the network :) Jan 06 14:10:16 from the sim? I would like a way to import from my desktop? Jan 06 14:11:04 Now, that's more difficult :) Jan 06 14:11:22 difficult is ok... Jan 06 14:12:21 i don't know how, but you should be able to bluetooth a vcf with your contacts in :) Jan 06 14:12:35 ok cheers Jan 06 14:13:04 does wifi work with your image? Jan 06 14:13:21 i don't use it, so i don't actually know :) Jan 06 14:13:33 it's nice and quick :) Jan 06 14:13:34 But it isn't exactly straight forward :) Jan 06 14:13:39 *nods* It is :) Jan 06 14:13:51 Ah yeah, the Parasomething game doesn't work ;) Jan 06 14:14:10 I am using om2008.12 and wifi is poor Jan 06 14:14:15 so can I ssh in with qt extended - to copy music pics etc? Jan 06 14:14:32 yeah I found 2008.12 not so good for wifi Jan 06 14:14:42 2008.9 had a gui Jan 06 14:14:56 yeah, but it didn't help much :) Jan 06 14:15:13 no :) Jan 06 14:15:13 Yes, Qtext doesn't use x, but what's underneath is OpenMoko's linux distro :) Jan 06 14:15:40 oh great so connecting to my linux desktop should be the same Jan 06 14:16:11 Yes :) Jan 06 14:16:21 Hm... For some reason shr doesn't work with cyrillic letters quite well (can't input them with my keyboard definition). Small letters show ok, but capital ones are just being displayed as small ones. Jan 06 14:17:22 leinir: thanks so much for that image, I have a useable phone. There needs to be an entry in the wiki about this Jan 06 14:17:29 i mean more of an entry Jan 06 14:18:31 so how do you connect to google talk without wifi? Jan 06 14:18:52 i don't :) Jan 06 14:19:16 ok :) Jan 06 14:29:10 r.e. endianness: just did a quick test on my FR, which shows little-endian Jan 06 14:31:29 Weiss: there was no doubt in that :) Jan 06 14:32:13 :) Jan 06 14:32:37 hm, neotool don't have any opportunity to backup rootfs using dfu =)) Jan 06 14:32:43 bad Jan 06 14:35:06 leavittx: you can backup rootfs with neotool Jan 06 14:35:46 no Jan 06 14:35:55 oh? Jan 06 14:36:04 ssh isn't working... Jan 06 14:36:25 dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U rootfs.jffs2 Jan 06 14:36:32 it's the only way Jan 06 14:36:45 thanks to Jan 06 14:37:42 neotool is just a bash script using dfu-util so it should be easy to add those options Jan 06 14:38:32 there is also om-manager, but i don't know about the features. Jan 06 14:38:50 yep Jan 06 14:45:13 has anyone in the UK noticed that o2 sim cards are a little different to the rest and so don't work with the freerunner? Jan 06 14:45:27 simoo: my UK O2 simcard works Jan 06 14:45:42 simoo: and I bought it specially when the reports of them not working started to come in :-( Jan 06 14:45:48 XorA: oh good then there is hope Jan 06 14:46:10 I think it is just a physical thing Jan 06 14:46:26 the metal contacts seem to be too close to the edge of the sim Jan 06 14:46:53 t-mobile and vodofone seem to be more centred Jan 06 14:47:01 simoo: the contacts shape and size is goverened by ISO 7816-1 so I would be surprised if that was a problem Jan 06 14:47:30 and the scratch makes of the SIM are dead center of the contacts here :-) Jan 06 14:47:35 there is definately a difference, i have an o2, t-mobile and vodofone here Jan 06 14:47:54 simoo: artistically they differ, but they all obey iso 7816-1 Jan 06 14:48:13 DocScrutinizrFlu, you well? :P Jan 06 14:48:32 hmmm.... both the o2 sims I have here have the metal bit very close to the edge of the sim Jan 06 14:49:04 whow can i read my gps logs? Jan 06 14:49:11 63.429065,10.745671,88.2,2.6,72.8,1.6,2009-01-06T12:36:17Z this format Jan 06 14:49:20 preferrably on my stationary pc Jan 06 14:49:41 i have a very old (~2000) and a very new (2008) O2 SIM. they physically look a little different. the old one always worked, the new one only worked for me after the bug#666 GSM update Jan 06 14:49:59 simoo: trust me, I have working on SIM testing and even wrote a SIM :-) Jan 06 14:50:48 I don't doubt you, I just have two o2 sims here that don't work... Jan 06 14:51:04 frankS2: use gpsbabel to convert to any gps trace format Jan 06 14:51:06 simoo: yours is not the first report of that Jan 06 14:51:13 right Jan 06 14:51:26 simoo: but as I said I went out and bought one to test or maybe send to taiwan to test and it just worked :-( Jan 06 14:51:56 frankS2: gpx and kml are popular formats that many gui programs will read Jan 06 14:51:59 O2 and Orange are giving away PAYG SIMs in the UK, if that's any help for testing.. Jan 06 14:52:33 ok thanks Jan 06 14:53:28 simoo: did you do the GSM update for bug #666? Jan 06 14:54:23 Weiss: ah no, what is that for? Jan 06 14:54:45 and I have some truly ancient gta02 models :-) Jan 06 14:55:29 simoo: it fixes bug #666 (3G SIMs not working) for many people. including for my O2 SIM... but the upgrade procedure is a little scary Jan 06 14:55:31 balrog-kun: ok thanks Jan 06 14:55:38 balrog-kun: you know where tangogps uploads my position? Jan 06 14:55:47 Weiss: oh right, ok thanks Jan 06 14:57:29 imho the upgrade was not at all difficult. the only prerequesites are actually 'being able to read and understand and copy and paste correctly' Jan 06 14:58:36 i'd agree, but caution is required. if you'd feel confident doing, say, a manual kernel upgrade on a desktop machine then you don't have much to fear Jan 06 14:58:42 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Jan 06 14:59:14 it really looks to me like the sim just doesn't line up with the contacts Jan 06 15:01:21 one of my SIMs looks a little like that - especially when you compare it with the other one. but they're both fine Jan 06 15:04:08 frankS2: upload? i don't think it uploads it anywhere Jan 06 15:04:26 balrog-kun: hmmm ok, it would be cool if it uploaded the positions Jan 06 15:04:50 maybe it can be configured to do somethinglike this.. but i've never used tangogps Jan 06 15:05:06 surely it would be easy to script, without tangogps Jan 06 15:05:29 i will bbl Jan 06 15:16:05 is there an easy way for apps to go fullscreen in illume? Jan 06 15:16:14 or a way to hide the top bar? Jan 06 15:18:15 igor321: TangoGPS does that, so there must be.. Jan 06 15:18:42 i'm interested in scummvm Jan 06 15:19:02 cause it's own fs breaks the pointer in some way Jan 06 15:19:46 i'd really like for the top shelf to dissapear on keypress Jan 06 15:20:12 that would be ideal Jan 06 15:27:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * rf64dc0001b80 10/src/zhone: Stop redrawing on every GPS message Jan 06 15:27:18 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r69604a370952 10/src/zhone: Add missing format string argument Jan 06 15:27:55 any of you used efl libs with a c or c++ app? Jan 06 15:30:13 AntonTakk: yes, quickdev on #openmoko-cdevel Jan 06 15:34:59 thanks :) Jan 06 16:02:24 where can I know the version of gsm firmware that installed on my fr? Jan 06 16:04:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rcc8584e09e3e 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/ (idlenotifier.py input.py): odeviced: input/idlenotifier: don't use config from controller, use singleton Jan 06 16:08:21 leavittx: why do you care? If you've never upgraded it and you have a 3G sim that's not working, then upgrade. If you have upgraded, you should remember which version you used ;) Jan 06 16:10:43 alternatively, see about halfway down http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing, though that's a bit of a faff Jan 06 16:10:54 the Qtopia sysinfo program will tell you as well Jan 06 16:12:42 Weiss: the problem with simple ``cat'' solution is that it might not work with a program accessing modem running or some stty settings might be wrong. For fso users there is a mickeyterm, which allows to issue any AT command in a sane way. Jan 06 16:16:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd61b5a92faac 10/framework/ (3 files in 3 dirs): odeviced|ousaged: use repr() in helper output Jan 06 16:21:07 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r08ea27073163 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: Move SMS tests into its own unittest under tests/ Jan 06 16:24:36 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * rb9baa765e146 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): small changes in paroli Jan 06 16:24:37 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * r39ada5d9279f 10/packages/udev/ (udev-118/openmoko/init udev-static-devices.bb): Merge branch 'org.openmoko.dev' of ssh://git@git.openmoko.org/var/cache/git/openmoko into org.openmoko.dev Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8551825260f3 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystem.py): Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: We now register one dbus connection per subsystem to prevent objects Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: appearing on all bus names. If you previously only used the bus name Jan 06 16:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 'org.freesmartphone.frameworkd', you have to adjust your code. Jan 06 16:35:41 I've just reflashed fr. for some reason networking via usb isn't working(( Jan 06 16:36:17 ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 Jan 06 16:36:31 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) from 192.168.0.200 usb0: 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 06 16:36:38 From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable Jan 06 16:46:05 just got a bug with 2008.12 Jan 06 16:46:30 brian__: lol Jan 06 16:47:14 everything was great untill i installed a couple things Jan 06 16:47:41 wont come outs suspend Jan 06 16:48:54 brian__: what things Jan 06 16:49:31 gameliquid war an something else Jan 06 16:49:31 brian__: i have similar problem Jan 06 16:50:10 what else? Jan 06 16:50:16 i installed pythm a couple days ago but it was ok with that Jan 06 16:50:29 zomg Jan 06 16:50:45 divercity wifi Jan 06 16:51:31 my tom tom charger works in thr car though Jan 06 16:52:09 please say how to run ssh server (dropbeer) to login via wi-fi network (192.168.1.*) from desktop? Jan 06 16:52:09 if you remove them do you still have the problem? Jan 06 16:52:16 comic book an reader to Jan 06 16:52:40 im removing that though since it wont work Jan 06 16:53:50 we will see what happens now Jan 06 16:53:57 I just reflashed my FR with Om 2008.12 Jan 06 16:54:18 when i pull the plug it goes to sleep Jan 06 16:54:27 Just to check out about the suspend problem Jan 06 16:54:38 please! It's very important for me. Just "dropbeer" don't works (connection refused). Jan 06 16:54:38 i put the plug back in it wakes up Jan 06 16:54:43 What distribution do you use? Jan 06 16:54:53 .12 Jan 06 16:55:05 OK, the same. Jan 06 16:55:42 After 3 or 4 hard reboots FR suspend works for me. Jan 06 16:56:13 my suspend is off Jan 06 16:56:46 I have it on. Jan 06 16:56:54 leavittx Jan 06 16:56:57 wassup Jan 06 16:57:56 what? Jan 06 16:58:27 whats the problem Jan 06 16:59:12 please say how to run ssh server (dropbeer) to login via wi-fi network (192.168.1.*) from desktop? Jan 06 16:59:29 usb doesn't work Jan 06 16:59:38 or say how to set up usb Jan 06 16:59:49 dropbeer? That's a sin! Jan 06 16:59:51 wiki havn't helped me Jan 06 17:00:12 do not use wifi to upgrade Jan 06 17:00:20 and what isn't a sin?=)) Jan 06 17:00:26 u have linux desktop? Jan 06 17:00:30 leavittx: it was a bad pun Jan 06 17:00:45 hay man Jan 06 17:00:58 yep Jan 06 17:01:05 Ainulindale Jan 06 17:01:14 any good news? Jan 06 17:02:06 next jffs2 news? Jan 06 17:02:10 what means pun? Jan 06 17:02:19 it wasn't one Jan 06 17:02:44 pun is a refrence to something Jan 06 17:03:26 so do u have a linux desktop or not? Jan 06 17:03:33 pun it's something fun and not serious, yep? Jan 06 17:03:37 yes Jan 06 17:03:39 yep Jan 06 17:04:17 did u try iptables to connect usb? Jan 06 17:04:28 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 Jan 06 17:04:28 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Jan 06 17:04:28 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Jan 06 17:04:40 see higher=)) Jan 06 17:04:41 then try to ssh in usb Jan 06 17:04:54 I've just reflashed fr. for some reason networking via usb isn't working(( Jan 06 17:04:54 ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202 Jan 06 17:04:54 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) from 192.168.0.200 usb0: 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 06 17:04:54 From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable Jan 06 17:05:00 run those commands as root Jan 06 17:05:08 yep Jan 06 17:05:29 did u reboot one time? Jan 06 17:05:37 no Jan 06 17:05:43 aFTER INSTALLING? Jan 06 17:05:51 installing what? Jan 06 17:05:58 GETERDONE THEN Jan 06 17:06:08 2008.12 Jan 06 17:06:12 no Jan 06 17:06:18 doit Jan 06 17:06:19 wait a second Jan 06 17:08:21 times up Jan 06 17:08:26 haha Jan 06 17:09:18 not works(( Jan 06 17:09:31 even after reboot Jan 06 17:11:17 Jan 06 17:11:20 works! Jan 06 17:11:35 it is not official fw Jan 06 17:12:17 so ifconfig on fr showed inet addr:192.168.2.202, not 192.168.0.202 Jan 06 17:13:12 sorry for mess Jan 06 17:14:18 /c Jan 06 17:18:04 yay Jan 06 17:18:41 had to give it a minuit Jan 06 17:19:00 no problem Jan 06 17:19:08 gps problem with shr, installed the last images it al worked fine, but then did a opkg update and a opkg upgrade, after that tangoGPS reports "no GPS found" anyone have any idea? Jan 06 17:19:38 reflash to a little older image an try Jan 06 17:20:13 or dont upgrade :) Jan 06 17:21:26 maybe someone will figure out how to revert back an then share that with us Jan 06 17:22:21 brian__: thats one way :) Jan 06 17:22:48 unless u have much time Jan 06 17:23:04 apt: do you know lazy lulu Jan 06 17:23:05 yes, I know lazy lulu. Jan 06 17:23:15 apt: who is lazy lulu Jan 06 17:23:16 lulu, you are SOOOOO lazy Jan 06 17:23:27 apt: I am not lulu Jan 06 17:23:28 it is my pleasure to meet you, not lulu Jan 06 17:23:28 yes i am Jan 06 17:23:37 apt: who is Lazy-Lulu Jan 06 17:23:38 lazy-lulu is, like, a Skynet-manufactured body that resembles a teenaged girl, sent back in time (by the future Dave) to protect him. Unfortunately Dave having suffered major memory loss due to not taking his meds, has no memory of the future or Lazy Lulu and now thinks she's out to get him. Jan 06 17:23:38 apt: you fail the turing test Jan 06 17:23:50 apt: you fail the turing test Jan 06 17:24:34 apt seems to know alot Jan 06 17:24:42 brian__: yes Jan 06 17:24:51 apt: sicu Jan 06 17:24:52 rumour has it, sicu is a git Jan 06 17:25:09 might make the perfect problem solver Jan 06 17:25:47 it is mistaken about me though :/ Jan 06 17:25:53 i think Jan 06 17:26:04 so why wont anybody comment on shr? Jan 06 17:26:29 wheress the new images? Jan 06 17:26:44 or are opkg upgrade it Jan 06 17:27:15 why are there no new shr images Jan 06 17:27:25 brian__: because #openmoko-cdevel is the shr chan Jan 06 17:27:35 and because there are no changes in core apps Jan 06 17:27:40 i mean the images Jan 06 17:27:40 -> no new images Jan 06 17:27:51 oo Jan 06 17:27:53 kk Jan 06 17:28:16 btw. there is a new one http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Jan 06 17:28:34 I'll give a cookie to anyone who figures out why I can't send capital cyrillic letters via illume keyboard in shr :) Jan 06 17:29:31 though there might be issues with latest images, so i wouldn't flash just yet Jan 06 17:29:38 ok Jan 06 17:30:10 azaghal: 16:59 < bumbl> mrmoku: as it seems e is not that utf-only as raster wants us tobelieve Jan 06 17:30:25 :p Jan 06 17:30:29 lol Jan 06 17:31:05 The funny thing is that small letters work, except for Ñ’ Jan 06 17:31:11 he ad a similar problem with Jan 06 17:31:28 You mean mrmoku had a similar problem? Jan 06 17:31:38 äöüß (if this looks weird you don't have utf) Jan 06 17:31:45 Nah, it looks ok. Jan 06 17:31:50 yes Jan 06 17:32:04 azaghal: but illume crashes when one wants to input those Jan 06 17:32:11 Hm... Jan 06 17:32:14 is it possible to bet the terminal keyboard on 2008.12 that has a black background an white letters? Jan 06 17:32:23 I wish I had xse on shr :/ Jan 06 17:32:37 get=bet Jan 06 17:32:42 * bumbl wishes a hardware keyboard Jan 06 17:33:19 hey Jan 06 17:33:27 what about hexinput? Jan 06 17:33:37 hexinput? Jan 06 17:33:40 anybody have a miniusb keyboard? Jan 06 17:34:25 i might get a frogpad Jan 06 17:34:30 brian__: use an usb adaptor Jan 06 17:34:35 no Jan 06 17:34:52 why? Jan 06 17:35:04 i hate adapters Jan 06 17:35:15 they suck Jan 06 17:35:52 I haven't seen any native miniusb keyboard Jan 06 17:36:00 if i have a special keyboard ,,it needs the correct plug Jan 06 17:36:18 somebody is making them Jan 06 17:36:26 you can google for it Jan 06 17:38:12 emsyr: i have Jan 06 17:38:35 there are some with miniusb Jan 06 17:38:53 bumbl: what is it? Jan 06 17:39:09 to see on the internet Jan 06 17:41:32 emsyr: e.g. the frogpad with cable Jan 06 17:42:06 the bluetooth one is ~$150 which is quite expensive im Jan 06 17:42:07 o Jan 06 17:45:17 guys anyone has any info on localization om ? Jan 06 17:45:24 gfather: yes Jan 06 17:45:32 hit me m8 Jan 06 17:45:33 what do you want to know Jan 06 17:45:45 if there any documentations Jan 06 17:45:48 the process Jan 06 17:45:52 no Jan 06 17:45:55 files should be loclized Jan 06 17:46:07 charecture encoding Jan 06 17:46:17 encoding = utf-8 Jan 06 17:46:22 how to switch languages , from where to Jan 06 17:46:23 emsyr: http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini Jan 06 17:46:43 from where to define languages to add another language tahn english Jan 06 17:46:46 openmoko wants the users to organise all that l8n stuff Jan 06 17:47:00 l8n ? Jan 06 17:47:21 gfather: well usually using the unix way Jan 06 17:47:33 ok then where to start ? Jan 06 17:47:34 s/l8n/l10n/ Jan 06 17:47:43 gfather: what language? Jan 06 17:47:58 arabic :) Jan 06 17:48:18 hmm - i would write to the community mailing list Jan 06 17:48:27 he already has Jan 06 17:48:30 ah ok Jan 06 17:49:06 and then i would look if enlightenment already has arabic l10n Jan 06 17:49:14 if not i would start there Jan 06 17:49:48 the thing is , i will get the freerunner in 2 weaks i hope :) Jan 06 17:50:13 and im prepairning what to work on , but there isint any info there Jan 06 17:50:37 and the only other way , if someone release a vmware image of om that i can start testing on Jan 06 17:51:30 and dont tell me to use that emu thats on the wiki , becouse its something ugly and dont work :) Jan 06 17:51:57 bumbl releas a vmware image of om :) Jan 06 17:53:17 gfather: well you can install enlightenment on your desktop Jan 06 17:53:22 and qemu sucks Jan 06 17:53:39 yes it sucks big time Jan 06 17:54:01 bumbl on windows or linux enviroment Jan 06 17:54:02 ? Jan 06 17:54:10 linux Jan 06 17:54:18 any docs ? Jan 06 17:54:29 or its in the wiki ? Jan 06 17:54:33 well .. it should work on both Jan 06 17:55:00 Does anyone know how to change encoding in minimo browser? Jan 06 17:55:34 gfather: the wiki didn't help you ? Jan 06 17:56:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu Jan 06 17:57:24 not the qemu thing Jan 06 17:57:34 sicu did you try it ? Jan 06 17:57:53 sicu does lots of things... ¬_¬ Jan 06 17:58:08 if u have windows , just try the windows package , u dont have to install anything Jan 06 17:58:15 and just tell me what u think of it Jan 06 17:58:25 Did you create it, gramps? Jan 06 17:59:15 Dave: !! Jan 06 17:59:26 Hi toggles :P Jan 06 17:59:37 gfather: i can stay away from sucky qemu, as i own a FR ;p Jan 06 17:59:58 gfather: for enlightenment > http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_from_Source_Repository Jan 06 18:01:50 gfather: and you could ask in #e if they have arabic l10n Jan 06 18:02:09 Dave: ;p Jan 06 18:02:37 oy, locales -_- Jan 06 18:04:37 sicu so om use e for its gui ? Jan 06 18:05:03 gfather: Yep Jan 06 18:05:10 cools Jan 06 18:05:15 im in #e asking Jan 06 18:05:18 yeh, they use illume Jan 06 18:05:26 i hope i get some info Jan 06 18:05:31 I even once tried using e17 for desktop ;) Jan 06 18:05:41 nice :) Jan 06 18:06:15 Let's say I switched over to Openbox pretty fast :) Jan 06 18:06:42 Still, illume is fancy for Neo, to be honest. Jan 06 18:06:50 Affirmative. Jan 06 18:08:28 anybody tried that laser keyboard? Jan 06 18:08:54 just uses light on some flat surface Jan 06 18:09:28 brian__: What's the price, though? Jan 06 18:09:29 i heard it's not very good :/ Jan 06 18:09:44 hard to type with? Jan 06 18:10:12 there are some reviews on the net ... mostly negative though Jan 06 18:10:29 one of those would be very cool if somebody would improve it Jan 06 18:10:50 maybe dual lights Jan 06 18:11:28 facemount for the moko Jan 06 18:11:31 haha Jan 06 18:11:34 =] Jan 06 18:12:01 apparently it's ok for use in the dark ;p Jan 06 18:12:12 Come to the Dark Side Jan 06 18:12:16 or just some glasses with a cord to go to the moko Jan 06 18:12:33 "Luke, Luke, I knew your father - we went to prep school together!" ;) Jan 06 18:13:07 sicu they say its not supported Jan 06 18:13:17 an he kicked your ass every day didnt he vader Jan 06 18:13:20 and they wont supported to ., ahhhh Jan 06 18:13:33 gfather: sucks :/ Jan 06 18:14:20 gfather: yeh, it isn't easy to implement support for bidirectional text :/ Jan 06 18:14:58 Brinky: the laser keyboard works just like it says on the tin. Jan 06 18:15:20 brian__: unfortunately, unless you're hunt and peck, it's majorly slower. Jan 06 18:20:04 guys anyone here know how to code in c ? Jan 06 18:20:12 Of course :p Jan 06 18:20:57 printf("%s",no); Jan 06 18:21:43 i need someone who could help in giving e support for bidirectional text Jan 06 18:22:17 pleas guys try to help Jan 06 18:22:34 You'll want to get a hold of raster for that one :) Jan 06 18:22:46 raster ? Jan 06 18:23:11 rasterman's irc precense :) Jan 06 18:23:49 i hope i can find him online Jan 06 18:23:56 raster , raaaaaaaaster Jan 06 18:24:01 did he hear me :) Jan 06 18:24:39 Leinir! Jan 06 18:24:41 hehe .. he lives down under ... so most likely sleeping atm Jan 06 18:24:46 gfather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carsten_Haitzler Jan 06 18:25:00 sicu, sounds like a nazi Jan 06 18:26:11 ;p Jan 06 18:30:07 quatrox Jan 06 18:31:59 yes? Jan 06 18:32:34 Dave Jan 06 18:33:06 s'kjera? Jan 06 18:33:35 ikke stort Jan 06 18:33:38 :] Jan 06 18:33:51 sicu? Jan 06 18:34:00 en du? Jan 06 18:35:38 ikkje stort her heller Jan 06 18:35:55 :) Jan 06 18:36:02 * Dave gives sicu chocolate Jan 06 18:36:41 * sicu purrs Jan 06 18:37:17 :p Jan 06 18:37:41 * quatrox enjoys ice cold coke from glass bottle:) Jan 06 18:38:21 :D Jan 06 18:42:13 ah, there's nothing better than frosty cold coke from a glass bottle Jan 06 18:44:57 :D Jan 06 18:45:20 mmm Jan 06 18:45:38 if only the freerunner could dispense coke... Jan 06 18:45:46 Actually... Jan 06 18:45:54 Excuse me a moment... >:) Jan 06 18:46:03 hehe Jan 06 18:46:34 Dave: add it to the wish list on the wiki Jan 06 18:46:57 ;p Jan 06 18:55:25 http://shr.bearstech.com/ Jan 06 18:55:30 narf, echan Jan 06 19:06:30 hello Jan 06 19:07:06 i wrote a C programm that also reads the accelerometer data. but i want to be able to test it on my pc Jan 06 19:07:17 so how could i create a fake file? Jan 06 19:07:32 cat /dev/input/event2 doesn't serve me a single file Jan 06 19:07:33 touch fake_file ? Jan 06 19:07:48 yes but i want some data in it Jan 06 19:08:31 so my idea was to "echo 'something' > /dev/input/event3" Jan 06 19:08:37 where something is some accelerometer data Jan 06 19:09:42 No, that makes the phone accellerate Jan 06 19:09:59 Be careful doing that, it can cause fatal injury if the phone shoots into your head. Jan 06 19:10:23 More seriously Jan 06 19:10:41 cat /dev/input/event3 >file, then read the file on your PC device Jan 06 19:11:06 thomasgruebler: i use netcat to transfer it over bluetooth Jan 06 19:11:11 thomasgruebler: to play games on my PC Jan 06 19:11:34 how does netcat work? Jan 06 19:11:40 what games can you play? Jan 06 19:11:45 i have a working wifi connection Jan 06 19:12:22 thomasgruebler: triplane is the only worthy game to play :) heh, more seriously i was just testing this out. accelometers aren't exactly easy for controlling things Jan 06 19:12:29 thomasgruebler: man netcat has examples Jan 06 19:13:25 yes i found out that they are not really useable ^^ Jan 06 19:13:39 surprise! Jan 06 19:13:49 Hello, Wonka. Jan 06 19:13:55 i thought i could try to help my robot for better driving Jan 06 19:14:00 i mean straight driving Jan 06 19:14:01 haha Jan 06 19:14:02 thomasgruebler: but it can be used as motion detector Jan 06 19:14:26 hello Dave Jan 06 19:19:10 i have another question Jan 06 19:20:10 i always recieve: type:2 code:0 data: 35 Jan 06 19:20:19 but data changes when i turn the om Jan 06 19:20:28 type is always 2 Jan 06 19:20:35 and code is nearly always 0 Jan 06 19:21:09 only sometimes when i accelerate the phone it changes to 1 Jan 06 19:21:36 thomasgruebler: so? Jan 06 19:21:42 isn't that normal? Jan 06 19:21:49 i don't know Jan 06 19:22:00 looks ok to me Jan 06 19:22:19 when code is always 0, i don't know the values of the other 2 axes Jan 06 19:22:31 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/motion-detector.c Jan 06 19:22:37 hi Jan 06 19:23:23 lindi-: thanks Jan 06 19:23:24 but Jan 06 19:23:33 how can i get the other axes? Jan 06 19:23:56 i never recieve them Jan 06 19:23:58 thomasgruebler: read the source Jan 06 19:24:00 :) Jan 06 19:28:42 lindi-: i do it this way: http://rafb.net/p/GOVGyq91.html Jan 06 19:29:00 I wonder if hackable:1 is really suspending, because it's eating the battery too much Jan 06 19:29:02 i used the example from the wiki page Jan 06 19:29:34 I see C99 Jan 06 19:30:37 why do you mean C99? i'm going to learn c++ later Jan 06 19:30:47 thomasgruebler: you only read one event Jan 06 19:30:51 thomasgruebler: it does not contain all axes Jan 06 19:31:09 thomasgruebler: you do not declare all your variables in the beginning of a block Jan 06 19:31:50 lindi-: really? Jan 06 19:32:06 thomasgruebler: 'int ret = ...' is in the middle Jan 06 19:32:25 oh yes ^^ Jan 06 19:33:10 thx Jan 06 19:35:48 lindi-: so how can i change it to read more vents? Jan 06 19:36:06 thomasgruebler: hmm? you read more than one time Jan 06 19:36:34 read_accel_raw(location, &type, &code, &value); Jan 06 19:36:38 i do it 3 times Jan 06 19:36:54 thomasgruebler: you did not paste that code Jan 06 19:37:29 thomasgruebler: also you don't want to open() and close() the file all the time Jan 06 19:37:31 http://rafb.net/p/G4WYvL87.html Jan 06 19:37:40 okay Jan 06 19:38:07 so the problem is i souldn close the file and then it works when i read it another time. Jan 06 19:38:11 thomasgruebler: you need an event handler Jan 06 19:38:20 and state Jan 06 19:38:28 ? Jan 06 19:38:31 i have this: acc_timer = g_timeout_add (100, accel_readout, accel_status); Jan 06 19:38:50 i don't want to paste you all code because it a lot Jan 06 19:38:52 ^^ Jan 06 19:38:59 thomasgruebler: you want to register the fd so that you get a callback when data is available Jan 06 19:39:17 thomasgruebler: i can't really help without seeing the code ;) Jan 06 19:39:20 raster u there ? Jan 06 19:39:25 wait Jan 06 19:39:28 thomasgruebler: just use git or something Jan 06 19:39:36 thomasgruebler: rafb.net/paste is not good for larger stuff Jan 06 19:40:10 i only know this Jan 06 19:40:26 main.c: http://rafb.net/p/217dzX86.html Jan 06 19:41:13 accel.h: http://rafb.net/p/gb9BmQ87.html Jan 06 19:41:13 ok Jan 06 19:41:19 thomasgruebler: how can i open that in my text editor? Jan 06 19:41:53 okay i though you like paste more than the raw text Jan 06 19:41:54 wait Jan 06 19:42:08 thomasgruebler: email is ok if you can't find anything else Jan 06 19:42:31 i try the irc file sending Jan 06 19:42:34 i hope it works Jan 06 19:42:43 thomasgruebler: it doesn't Jan 06 19:43:15 lindi-: then give me you email pls Jan 06 19:43:21 thomasgruebler: timo.lindfors@iki.fi Jan 06 19:43:25 lol @ the accelerometer joke :D Jan 06 19:43:31 jc: which one? ;) Jan 06 19:43:48 the first one, I just came and am still at the top :D Jan 06 19:43:52 thomasgruebl Jan 06 19:44:15 nm Jan 06 19:46:03 would be cool trying to use the g-meters as a flight simulator joystick Jan 06 19:46:26 yeah Jan 06 19:46:32 lindi-: email is sent Jan 06 19:46:37 but you'd have to get used to GPWS warnings I guess :)) Jan 06 19:47:20 also other things that generally freak real pilots out like hitting mountains and stuff Jan 06 19:48:45 anyone know where i find latest openmoko image for neo 1973 gta01 ? Jan 06 19:48:48 but seriously, anyone tried playing duke nukem with it in FDOM ? Jan 06 19:49:11 jc: i'm still not sure about the copyright status of duke nukem graphics Jan 06 19:49:53 NineX: I think it's not usable on gta01 anymore but check the wiki Jan 06 19:50:20 lindi-: me neither.. although its prebuilt in FDOM Jan 06 19:50:40 thomasgruebler: nothing received yet Jan 06 19:51:22 mhm Jan 06 19:51:42 From community-bounces@lists.openmoko.org Tue Jan 06 21:51:26 2009 Jan 06 19:51:44 is latest mail Jan 06 19:51:59 got it Jan 06 19:52:14 i tried another email adress Jan 06 19:52:18 maybe it's faster Jan 06 19:52:40 it spent 4 minutes at google Jan 06 19:52:41 so...anyone know where i might aquire one of those roll-up bluetooth keyboards? Jan 06 19:52:49 thomasgruebler: received it already Jan 06 19:52:55 or are those usb-based Jan 06 19:52:55 okay Jan 06 19:53:12 rooly: roll-up? Jan 06 19:53:45 i saw a picture once of a portable keyboard that just rolls up for storage Jan 06 19:53:54 its on some kind of fabric Jan 06 19:54:21 rooly: i have one which is made of rubber Jan 06 19:54:27 rooly: it's horrible to type with :) Jan 06 19:54:35 lindi-: with my program i want to control my robot. because for some tasks a 16MHz uC is too slow Jan 06 19:54:43 its better than trying to use the qtopia keyboard with one hand Jan 06 19:54:44 thomasgruebler: ok Jan 06 19:55:06 and lindi- does it work with your fr? Jan 06 19:55:16 thomasgruebler: take it this way, why do you read three times? Jan 06 19:55:21 rooly: yep Jan 06 19:55:22 and thats my first working program i wrote on a pc with gtk and a serial connection. before i only programmed µC's in C Jan 06 19:55:28 rooly: but i need hard surface to be able to use it Jan 06 19:55:37 rooly: or even better - search ebay for "iGo bluwtooth stowaway keyboard" Jan 06 19:55:40 lindi-: i wanted to try if i get other axes Jan 06 19:55:51 thomasgruebler: you might get x, y, z Jan 06 19:55:55 thomasgruebler: but you might also get x, x, y Jan 06 19:55:59 thomasgruebler: or x, y, y Jan 06 19:56:03 thomasgruebler: or any order really Jan 06 19:56:15 yes. i get x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,y,x,x,x,x,x,x,y,x,x,x Jan 06 19:56:18 ^^ Jan 06 19:56:23 thomasgruebler: because z does not change Jan 06 19:56:28 why? Jan 06 19:56:34 thomasgruebler: it only sends an event when an axis changes Jan 06 19:56:47 thomasgruebler: try my motion sensor code Jan 06 19:56:54 okay Jan 06 19:57:18 thomasgruebler: just change 'handle_event(pos);' to 'vector_print(pos);' and you'll see Jan 06 19:57:34 thomasgruebler: do you then see all axes changing? Jan 06 19:57:47 wait Jan 06 19:57:57 thomasgruebler: i'll read some gobject stuff meanwhile Jan 06 19:58:11 yum Jan 06 19:58:15 * rooly wants the igo Jan 06 19:58:23 i wonder how i might aquire it... Jan 06 19:58:31 think best buy has it in stock? Jan 06 19:58:53 they are great but out of production Jan 06 19:59:00 aww freakin balls Jan 06 19:59:32 buy used one Jan 06 19:59:48 thomasgruebler@ThinkPad:~/Roboter/OmSoftware$ ./a.out Jan 06 19:59:48 a.out: motion-detector.c:74: main: Assertion `fp' failed. Jan 06 19:59:48 Abgebrochen Jan 06 20:00:07 i compile with gcc motion-detector.c Jan 06 20:00:31 or gcc motion-detector.c -o motion-detector -lm -Wall -O2 Jan 06 20:00:39 I could try.. Jan 06 20:00:44 just got gentoo on my freerunner :) Jan 06 20:00:46 thomasgruebler: it takes the device as argument Jan 06 20:00:53 thomasgruebler: ./a.out /dev/input/event3 for example Jan 06 20:00:59 oh Jan 06 20:01:02 jc: cool Jan 06 20:01:08 jc: did you manage to avoid all the non-free stuff? ;) Jan 06 20:01:33 lindi-: what do you mean? :) Jan 06 20:01:43 well I had severe problems with my sd card Jan 06 20:01:46 gsm? Jan 06 20:01:49 jc: my problems with gentoo was that copyright issues were not clearly checked Jan 06 20:01:50 yea i hanged my freerunner some minutes before by "chmod 777 /dev/input/event3" ^^. so i neet some time :) Jan 06 20:01:57 also, default mke2fs config was bad for gentoo Jan 06 20:02:10 thomasgruebler: sounds like a bad solution to me. it'll expire on reboot Jan 06 20:02:29 lindi-: I don't have problems with proprietary stuff so long it isn't spying on me and/or I need to change the code :) Jan 06 20:02:29 no Jan 06 20:02:34 that doesn't work Jan 06 20:02:42 i only wanted to do it on my laptop Jan 06 20:02:44 * rooly sighs Jan 06 20:02:45 although I don't think theres anything proprietary in a stage 3 build.. Jan 06 20:02:54 and I got that + a few 100% GPL utils Jan 06 20:02:57 for simulating the accel sensor Jan 06 20:03:06 and andy-tracking kernel, which should be free too ? Jan 06 20:03:06 and took the wrong terminal :) Jan 06 20:03:33 jc: i do have a problem with proprietary stuff :) Jan 06 20:03:42 quatrox, this one? http://tinyurl.com/86u6p5 Jan 06 20:03:50 jc: it's very hard to know in gentoo since they are not properly checked Jan 06 20:04:05 quatrox: yes, GSM, clockrate and ext2 block size Jan 06 20:04:09 thomasgruebler: "doesn't work"? Jan 06 20:04:40 yes. when i chmod /dev/input/event2 or 3 the command hangs Jan 06 20:04:44 and i cannot kill it Jan 06 20:05:56 thomasgruebler: not even kill -9? Jan 06 20:06:11 i only tried killall Jan 06 20:06:16 really I'm pleasantly suprised with gentoo on fr so far.. hope the graphics better than the stock distros too Jan 06 20:06:19 which also hanged Jan 06 20:06:40 thomasgruebler: huh Jan 06 20:06:43 thomasgruebler: ps axuf? Jan 06 20:06:53 but 1 week ago i was able that kwrite hangs so good, that kill -9 didn work :D Jan 06 20:06:53 rooly: yes Jan 06 20:07:06 hmm...think i should buy it Jan 06 20:07:10 yea i get many values now Jan 06 20:09:30 lindi-, what do you mean with ps axuf. you only get my current running programms Jan 06 20:09:39 thomasgruebler: yeah i'd like to see that list Jan 06 20:10:26 yes but there is no hanging programm anymore Jan 06 20:10:30 thomasgruebler: also try lsof|grep /dev/ Jan 06 20:10:59 ohh... nm Jan 06 20:11:13 http://rafb.net/p/dr9DnG91.html Jan 06 20:11:27 btw. anyone used synergy or something like that on the glamo X server succesfuly ? Jan 06 20:11:44 http://rafb.net/p/dr9DnG91.html Jan 06 20:11:50 i use debian on my freerunner Jan 06 20:12:07 jc: x2x works well Jan 06 20:12:22 thomasgruebler: thx, I'll google that Jan 06 20:12:48 look in the openmoko wiki. the debian page. it's on the bottom of it Jan 06 20:13:06 thx Jan 06 20:14:24 lindi-, http://rafb.net/p/dr9DnG91.html Jan 06 20:14:35 thomasgruebler: no a.out visible Jan 06 20:14:44 yea. i stopped it ^^ Jan 06 20:15:08 thomasgruebler: please strace it if it really does not work Jan 06 20:15:16 wish i had more time to code :-\ Jan 06 20:15:16 it works Jan 06 20:15:35 i get something like this Jan 06 20:15:36 918)(-18 54 936)(-18 72 936)(-18 54 936)(-18 54 936)(-18 54 918)(-18 72 918)(-18 72 936)(-18 54 936)(-18 72 936)(-18 72 936)(-18 54 918)(-1872 936) Jan 06 20:15:46 * rooly is 1 click from buying that keyboard Jan 06 20:15:52 thomasgruebler: yeah those are the acceleration vectors Jan 06 20:16:04 thomasgruebler: as you can see, every axeis keeps changing Jan 06 20:16:06 thomasgruebler: even z Jan 06 20:16:14 yes Jan 06 20:16:16 quatrox, does that keyboard's pda stand work with the fr Jan 06 20:16:34 thomasgruebler: instead of polling every 100ms you want http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-The-Main-Event-Loop.html#g-source-add-poll Jan 06 20:17:08 and then? Jan 06 20:17:21 rooly: yes. Jan 06 20:17:30 fd is the file Jan 06 20:17:32 thomasgruebler: 1) register that you want to handle input from that fd Jan 06 20:17:35 and source is my vode Jan 06 20:17:39 erm my function Jan 06 20:18:04 thomasgruebler: 2) when input is available, read one event. if it is type 2 then store the value to a static variable Jan 06 20:18:31 thomasgruebler: if it is type 0 and code 0 then call a function that does something useful with the new sensor reading Jan 06 20:18:55 rooly: even for landscape mode Jan 06 20:19:03 nice Jan 06 20:19:19 * rooly is using qtopia4.3.2 atm so no landscape mode righ tnow Jan 06 20:19:25 okay thanks Jan 06 20:20:20 i need to go sleeping now Jan 06 20:20:31 thanks and bye Jan 06 20:21:34 i'm a bit tired from the last party ^^ Jan 06 20:22:31 walkie: Heheh, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/144 :) - I'm guessing you haven't found any solution to this? ;) Jan 06 21:03:32 hi, can Qtopia use the memory card? Jan 06 21:05:16 or qtextended, I should say Jan 06 21:06:16 yes Jan 06 21:06:18 it can Jan 06 21:06:41 oh great, do you know how, or where I can find out how? Jan 06 21:06:58 all of your data has to be in a folder called Documents at the root of the sdcard's partition Jan 06 21:07:35 so just put the card in a desktop machine, partition it up and then back in the phone? Jan 06 21:07:53 no need to change partitions unless your messing with dual-booting Jan 06 21:08:02 its simpler than that Jan 06 21:08:10 just make a "Documents" folder and move everything inside of it Jan 06 21:08:44 thanks, that's great. I cant do that on the phone though can I? Jan 06 21:08:57 well... Jan 06 21:09:18 not with 4.4.2's terminal you can't Jan 06 21:09:32 but... Jan 06 21:13:35 sime: you can if you use a terminal Jan 06 21:13:54 s/me/moo/ Jan 06 21:13:54 quatrox meant: simoo: you can if you use a terminal Jan 06 21:14:10 how do I do that? ssh? Jan 06 21:14:30 open a terminal Jan 06 21:15:10 quatrox, the problem arises in that the 4.4.2 terminal doesn't exactly 'work; Jan 06 21:15:53 rasters illume keyboard is a must Jan 06 21:16:02 umm.. do you think overclocking the soc would speed up compilations on freerunner? or rather compilling in tmpfs ? Jan 06 21:16:07 quatrox, QTOPIA fool Jan 06 21:16:27 jc, you probably shouldn't be compilingon the phone if you want it to go quickl Jan 06 21:16:34 jc: tempfs Jan 06 21:16:35 damnit keybar.. Jan 06 21:16:44 well I don't want it to go extremely quickly.. Jan 06 21:16:57 but I'm waiting about an hour for freaking subversion to compile now :) Jan 06 21:17:21 svn takes time Jan 06 21:17:35 well I'll try tmpfs, thx, hope it doesnt suck all memory and swap anyway Jan 06 21:18:09 jc: you got a good point Jan 06 21:18:10 you DO have 128 megs of ram available, and ~60 available at any given time Jan 06 21:18:32 I have about 60 megs used as disk cache right now Jan 06 21:18:49 and about 5 megs free Jan 06 21:18:59 really gentoos memory usage on fr is incredible... Jan 06 21:19:20 jc: then don't use tmpfs. It will only slow things down Jan 06 21:19:33 FDOM which I was using before used up about 50 megs for programs even with most things off, dunno why could that be (leaks?) Jan 06 21:19:50 jc, due to a bunch of daemons running Jan 06 21:19:58 all switched off, clean ps :P Jan 06 21:20:00 jc: use nfs Jan 06 21:20:02 fdom was as its namesake claiimed, fat and dirty Jan 06 21:20:03 only some kernel deamons Jan 06 21:20:28 quatrox: hey thats actually a good point :) Jan 06 21:20:35 even better than tmpfs I suppose Jan 06 21:21:03 export /tmp/om from your desktop Jan 06 21:21:19 hehe if only tmpfs could be shared over nfs Jan 06 21:21:33 since tmpfs over sshfs is extremely slow... Jan 06 21:22:15 hmmm... it cant be exported over nfs? Jan 06 21:22:30 most filesystems cant... Jan 06 21:22:33 I only assume that... Jan 06 21:22:59 raster_: Can making a horizontal version of the keyboard be done just by editing the sizes in the kbd file? Jan 06 21:23:16 to occupy all of the space, I mean Jan 06 21:26:00 jc: sshfs would be too cpu-demanding, but nfs should work Jan 06 21:26:20 yeah, it is, pretty much, unfortunately Jan 06 21:26:28 if only you could switch off encryption in sshfs... Jan 06 21:26:43 ssh -e rot13 Jan 06 21:26:53 no way :) Jan 06 21:27:06 man if that works, you just made my day :) Jan 06 21:27:18 (it doesn't) Jan 06 21:27:24 damn :D Jan 06 21:27:45 yeah... -e stands for escape character anyway :P Jan 06 21:27:47 I just used either 'netpipes' or maybe netcat Jan 06 21:28:13 tar -cvf - . |hose desktop 3000 Jan 06 21:28:19 tar -cvf - . |hose --in desktop 3000 Jan 06 21:28:43 also, copying lots of small files on sd cards sucks big time as I discovered.. Jan 06 21:28:55 and then faucet --out 3000 tar -xvf - Jan 06 21:28:55 portage tree on sd = hell unless you squashfs it Jan 06 21:28:58 or similar Jan 06 21:29:03 rsync also works Jan 06 21:29:05 s/=/==/ Jan 06 21:29:06 jc meant: portage tree on sd == hell unless you squashfs it Jan 06 21:29:16 fuck, not again ! :/ Jan 06 21:29:50 SpeedEvil: yeas, or you could use nfs :) Jan 06 21:30:05 * SpeedEvil uses nfs. Jan 06 21:30:13 the point being: neither of these is comfortable with desktop usermode frameworks, like gnome-vfs Jan 06 21:30:29 desktop on the thingy with the filesystem. Jan 06 21:30:32 so you can't for example put freerunner on your desktop and automount it and stuff without shell hacking Jan 06 21:30:56 raster: is there an easy way to keep bglight on for a longer time while connected to charger? Jan 06 21:31:02 jc: why not? Jan 06 21:31:30 I dunno, nfs cant be mounted with it, kinda sucks :/ Jan 06 21:31:57 and smb/cifs is supported.. damn traitors Jan 06 21:32:04 UTSL! Jan 06 21:32:24 The 4 most annoying or most wonderful letters, depending on your POV. Jan 06 21:32:40 what do you mean? ;P Jan 06 21:32:50 Use The Source Luke Jan 06 21:32:59 yeah.. but the second part :) Jan 06 21:33:21 Point Of View Jan 06 21:33:37 I got the acronyms but not the point :) Jan 06 21:33:55 guys when raster will be here ? Jan 06 21:34:00 I was meaning use the source to add NFS. Jan 06 21:34:02 But... Jan 06 21:34:08 oh.. Jan 06 21:35:06 I think ubuntu guys would the the ones most concerned about this... Jan 06 21:35:16 oh indeed... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs/+bug/65048 Jan 06 21:35:25 * rooly doesn't care about any of your concerns Jan 06 21:35:37 i have a bluetooth inbound, so therefore, i am awesome Jan 06 21:35:45 bluetooth keyboard, mind you Jan 06 21:35:59 * jc doesn't care about your bluetooth keyboard :D Jan 06 21:36:06 cool Jan 06 21:36:07 and I want one too dammit :D Jan 06 21:36:11 ebay Jan 06 21:36:16 yeah Jan 06 21:36:18 and money :P Jan 06 21:36:25 70$'s Jan 06 21:36:41 which I already put into a phone and later discovered its unusable without such keyboard ;P Jan 06 21:36:48 you lie Jan 06 21:36:51 you LIE sir Jan 06 21:36:56 openAccount at openank Jan 06 21:37:07 openbank Jan 06 21:37:11 * rooly pull off his white glove and slaps jc with the backside of it Jan 06 21:37:19 wth ? Jan 06 21:37:39 i challenge you to a duel, sir. for the honor of the lady freerunner Jan 06 21:37:46 ok Jan 06 21:38:13 well.. glamo.. need I say more? :P Jan 06 21:38:25 what about it? Jan 06 21:38:41 i use fr now with rasters kbd Jan 06 21:38:49 ooh.. maybe the bus hogging problem ? Jan 06 21:38:50 works great Jan 06 21:39:03 * rooly is actually enjoying using the qtopia keyboard in qtopia 4.3.2 Jan 06 21:39:22 or also the minor missing datasheet issue Jan 06 21:39:33 or the even more minor and end user insignificant sd card problems :) Jan 06 21:39:49 so? Jan 06 21:39:57 your obviously not a hacker Jan 06 21:39:59 so defend freerunner :D Jan 06 21:40:23 if you find those unattractive Jan 06 21:40:25 even if I was I wouldn't admit it :) Jan 06 21:40:39 whats wrong with being a hacker? Jan 06 21:40:39 I don't find proprietary hardware without docs attractive Jan 06 21:40:47 oic Jan 06 21:40:51 so your just lazy Jan 06 21:40:55 * rooly is too Jan 06 21:40:59 nothing, but if you think youre worthy of that title regardless what you done youre a douche Jan 06 21:41:08 because everyones lazy in a way.. Jan 06 21:41:22 * rooly didn't say he was a hacker Jan 06 21:41:27 mind you i've been CALLED one Jan 06 21:41:30 well.. I dont either Jan 06 21:41:31 don't really think i am tho Jan 06 21:41:49 point being, it doesn't matter Jan 06 21:41:56 not one bit Jan 06 21:41:59 I don't want to hack on glamo because I know its kinda pointless Jan 06 21:42:03 its hardware issue.. Jan 06 21:42:16 too large screen, too small memory throughput Jan 06 21:42:26 i like my broken phone more than the perfect phone released by apple because of that old saying, "i do what i want, i do what i want!" Jan 06 21:42:33 yes, exactly Jan 06 21:42:39 its not a perfect platform, but I love it Jan 06 21:43:05 people are beginning to realize the limitations of the iphone and getting disgusted by it Jan 06 21:43:13 even non-computer types Jan 06 21:43:20 well Imagine having docs for iphone... Jan 06 21:43:28 like public domain Jan 06 21:43:29 end users Jan 06 21:44:10 right now I'm compilling on my freerunner.. 5 years ago I wouldnt imagine I'd do that on a phone... Jan 06 21:44:25 and you still won't on android or iphone... Jan 06 21:44:37 * quatrox thinks iPhone is ugly Jan 06 21:44:44 * SpeedEvil points to JIT Jan 06 21:44:55 I like iphones design and everything.. Jan 06 21:45:05 gotta admit, gta02 sucks big time in usability terms Jan 06 21:45:06 SpeedEvil, thats not quite the same thing Jan 06 21:45:24 i hear lots of people complain about the bezzled or beveled or whatever edge around the screen Jan 06 21:45:31 yeah Jan 06 21:45:36 that... Jan 06 21:45:37 but the way i see it, it keeps my phone from getting f'd up Jan 06 21:45:49 i've dropped it a number of times already Jan 06 21:45:52 also, qwerty would be cool Jan 06 21:45:53 and i don't even have a scratch on it Jan 06 21:46:05 then I wouldn't mind the edges Jan 06 21:46:21 qwerty attachable to gta02 == me a daaaaamn happy person Jan 06 21:46:25 if i had dropped an iphone or any htc phone like that, they would be useless Jan 06 21:46:35 jc, its already possible Jan 06 21:46:38 yeah I like its sturdy.. but the usability... Jan 06 21:46:40 just needs the hardware made Jan 06 21:46:46 yeah suer Jan 06 21:46:47 sure Jan 06 21:46:53 but how can you fabricate your own plastic Jan 06 21:47:06 or make it however else it snaps on gta02 seamlessly and doesnt look like made in garage Jan 06 21:47:13 make a design using metal first Jan 06 21:47:43 not really. Jan 06 21:47:47 man I'd sooo love that Jan 06 21:47:51 The other problem is doing it right is hard. Jan 06 21:48:01 You need to connect to the debug connector, or solder. Jan 06 21:48:03 it'll probably have to use either the battery cover, the sex-whole, or a secondary case around the actual device Jan 06 21:48:15 Which doesn't make a practical add-on. Jan 06 21:48:17 to attach Jan 06 21:48:29 *hole Jan 06 21:48:29 jc: google "iGo bluetooth stowaway keyboard" Jan 06 21:49:04 I wouldnt mind bluetooth Jan 06 21:49:19 yeah but the primary concern is to attach it to gta02 right Jan 06 21:49:30 all the OS's need an accellerometer poll so's that they can automagically change the screen orientation Jan 06 21:49:38 so you can like fold it from gta02 when you take it off from your pocket taking note or something Jan 06 21:49:42 that should be inside the OS...not a third party daemon Jan 06 21:49:50 then I wouldn't mind missing stylus.. Jan 06 21:50:09 jc, large icons beat a stylus Jan 06 21:50:13 and fingernails Jan 06 21:50:19 I think the g-detection would be pretty error prone.. Jan 06 21:50:19 however, i've found something interesting Jan 06 21:50:36 you barely need to touch the screen at all to get a press Jan 06 21:50:39 yeah if you don't mind finger marks on your screen Jan 06 21:51:07 a goddamn cheap-ass nintendo ds is much more usable than expensive gta02 :/ Jan 06 21:51:21 I even considered using it as vnc for phone in my pocket over wifi :)) Jan 06 21:51:36 jc, are you going to tell me that you've never laid a finger on your phone's screen, ever; and that you've never put it up to your ear and smeared the screen all up with a wee bit o' face oil? Jan 06 21:51:45 sure had Jan 06 21:52:12 but I usually clean it afterwards, and it doesnt get dirty when I'm calling, maybe its cause I have long hair.. Jan 06 21:53:07 really if anyone came up with a practical snap on keyboard for it... Jan 06 21:53:07 anywho Jan 06 21:53:21 maybe i'll make a case mod one day Jan 06 21:53:23 it would turn it into such a great machine Jan 06 21:53:25 with a sliding keyboard Jan 06 21:53:46 oh.. it didn't occur to me.. making an entire case.. Jan 06 21:53:48 PaulFertser: the difference in LE and BE network performance for a slug is far outweighed by the CPU and particularly the USB subsystem performance. Jan 06 21:53:56 yeah...you DO have that option Jan 06 21:54:07 jc: my screen protector is fingermark resistant Jan 06 21:54:18 So actually lots of people run LE so they can take advantage of Debian armel packages. Jan 06 21:54:19 but then.. out of what... wood ? Jan 06 21:54:44 maybe rip some other phone out and insert it into that Jan 06 21:54:46 hehe.. Jan 06 21:54:46 special plast Jan 06 21:54:54 custom plastic cases aren't really that difficult to aquire Jan 06 21:54:56 a diy plastic? Jan 06 21:55:10 no Jan 06 21:55:31 rooly: how would you go about that? I'm interested Jan 06 21:55:38 i couldn't tell ya Jan 06 21:55:40 rwhitby: so do you have any idea why BE was choosed by the original developers? It should have been a hard road. Jan 06 21:55:43 why don't you ask around locally Jan 06 21:55:57 PaulFertser: who are you referring to as the original developers? Jan 06 21:56:00 "how might i make a custom case?" Jan 06 21:56:01 rooly: well.. they usually do it in big series cause making molds is expensive Jan 06 21:56:17 rwhitby: who developed the original firmware for the device. Jan 06 21:56:21 i'm not disagreeing with you Jan 06 21:56:37 maybe some 3d printer as was in hack a day ? Jan 06 21:56:40 oh, that was SerComm, on behalf of Linksys, and they probably just based it on a MontaVista release. Jan 06 21:56:49 anywho Jan 06 21:56:51 or make it out of wax hehe Jan 06 21:56:51 (the commercial firmware that is) Jan 06 21:56:55 terminator phone :D Jan 06 21:56:58 jc...you could to that Jan 06 21:57:14 inpractical whenever near a fire source :d Jan 06 21:57:15 for the open source firmware, that was me, and OE allowed us to build LE or BE with no difference in difficulty. Jan 06 21:57:27 make a wax mold on your own and then pour your own plastic Jan 06 21:57:33 jc: from nushield.com Jan 06 21:58:02 btw...make it explosion proof so that you can bring it inside a gas plant Jan 06 21:58:03 well protectors are good but I'd really like a keyboard :) Jan 06 21:58:26 i got both Jan 06 21:58:32 :D Jan 06 21:58:39 Can anyone remind me how to use screen to talk to the gsm? Jan 06 21:58:48 do you take notes daily on your fr ? Jan 06 21:58:49 screen /dev/ttySAC0 won't talk to me Jan 06 21:59:05 screen? Jan 06 21:59:06 i don't take notes, but i send about 50 messages a day Jan 06 21:59:08 no Jan 06 21:59:14 SpeedEvil: can screen work as a terminal emulator ? Jan 06 21:59:17 mikeyterm Jan 06 21:59:23 jc: as I understand it, it can Jan 06 21:59:34 Quadduc: I have screen, I don't have that Jan 06 21:59:39 ...and qtopia's keyboard is actually much more useable for that than raster's Jan 06 21:59:45 because raster's is too small Jan 06 21:59:46 And I'm logged in remotely Jan 06 21:59:54 ah Jan 06 21:59:57 dunno then.. Jan 06 22:00:06 going bathe Jan 06 22:00:08 bbiab Jan 06 22:00:45 aah.. hope gta03 has qwerty Jan 06 22:01:04 pandora is cool in that regard, but unusable for phoning (even if it could) Jan 06 22:01:28 if it has, then i don't buy it Jan 06 22:01:47 why? what do you have against openpandora? ;) Jan 06 22:02:14 big Jan 06 22:02:15 yeah its closed hardware design.. but they give you datasheets and pinout diagram for the soc Jan 06 22:02:27 slightly smaller than nds lite... Jan 06 22:02:37 ? Jan 06 22:02:55 it can be carried in pocket ok :) Jan 06 22:03:03 ok Jan 06 22:03:14 since I can carry nds.. although bulky a little Jan 06 22:03:46 how is it to type on? Jan 06 22:03:58 fast? Jan 06 22:04:05 oh I don't have pandora, I'm assuming that from nds experience Jan 06 22:04:14 almost noone has pandora yet, they have some shipping problems, afaik Jan 06 22:04:27 Does anyone have GTA01 and have gprs working on any of the recent builds? Jan 06 22:04:29 ahh Jan 06 22:05:58 SpeedEvil: didn't you say youre getting gta02? :) Jan 06 22:06:14 jc: I am currently on a very small disability allowance as my sole income. Jan 06 22:06:21 I bought GTA01. Jan 06 22:06:29 I simply can't afford to do that with GTA02 Jan 06 22:06:42 too bad... Jan 06 22:07:18 well.. GPRS is pretty expensive here so I don't really care for it.. Jan 06 22:07:56 On my pay-as-you-go plan, it's a pound for 137K Jan 06 22:08:03 but it doesn't go over that per day Jan 06 22:08:10 and I can buy 5 day pass for 2.50 Jan 06 22:08:27 thats nice.. we only have monthly fees here Jan 06 22:09:11 It's actually a really nice package. Jan 06 22:09:40 3G is unfortunately more expensive - 2 pounds/day for one-off, and a fair use of 1 gig/month only. Jan 06 22:09:49 (on the analogous tarrif) Jan 06 22:09:54 gta01 has 3g? :) Jan 06 22:09:57 yes Jan 06 22:10:04 no Jan 06 22:10:18 (if you turn host mode on, and use an external modem, it does) Jan 06 22:10:24 oh Jan 06 22:10:50 then you can say gta02 has a rocket launcher Jan 06 22:10:56 True. Jan 06 22:11:52 you can say gta02 is a robot too then ^^ Jan 06 22:12:12 GTA02 is pretty advanced Jan 06 22:12:27 awesome, Robot with rocketlauncher NOW 350$ Jan 06 22:12:28 it can drive a car Jan 06 22:12:29 'hey honey I've got a robot in my pants' Jan 06 22:13:16 yeah but usb rocket launcher really exists ;) Jan 06 22:13:29 http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/8a0f/ Jan 06 22:13:37 hm.. i have one Jan 06 22:13:50 hehe if only I had the money to waste.. Jan 06 22:13:53 jc, meh, i was hoping for something... more explosive... Jan 06 22:13:55 and mounted a cam on it Jan 06 22:14:00 but I guess I'll make one soon anyway :D Jan 06 22:14:26 cb22: if you like fill it with pyrotechnics it could :D Jan 06 22:14:45 jc, heh, i don't think i'd want it on my desk then Jan 06 22:15:10 you can use gta02 as a puck and measure the impact Jan 06 22:15:11 rig this thing up with usb... http://www.docsmachine.com/nonPB/mortar.html Jan 06 22:15:32 lol Jan 06 22:15:48 portable gta02 cannon Jan 06 22:16:06 and they call the lame doom 3 weapon a 'big fucking gun' Jan 06 22:18:15 the mythbusters air cannon would be cool to hook up too :D Jan 06 22:18:55 potato cannon is also cool Jan 06 22:19:37 you know how like scifi weapons in games have those lcds on them showing ammo and stuff ? Jan 06 22:19:47 gta02 would be cool for that, it has great display Jan 06 22:20:43 hmm Jan 06 22:22:24 i want my phone to be an oscilloscope Jan 06 22:22:35 me too, and a multimeter and psu controller... Jan 06 22:22:42 and that is duable Jan 06 22:22:44 I made all that stuff i2c interconnectable.. Jan 06 22:22:54 now I have to convert it to usb just... Jan 06 22:23:02 but that comes after I make my gta02 useful... Jan 06 22:23:16 nice Jan 06 22:23:30 but I think given the mic input, you could make a simple scope out of it Jan 06 22:23:36 for audio frequencies Jan 06 22:24:14 true Jan 06 22:24:30 use audio jack Jan 06 22:24:45 yeah but also its meant to driva a jfet inside electret microphone Jan 06 22:24:55 sou you'd like have to make a simple passthrough or something... Jan 06 22:25:05 s/driva/drive/ Jan 06 22:25:28 should be easy Jan 06 22:26:23 btw the audio processor inside gta02 supports mic grounding detection Jan 06 22:26:30 it can do interrupt on it... Jan 06 22:26:39 dunno if the kernel input layer supports it Jan 06 22:27:07 its used commonly for headset buttons, I'd love to get it working someday... Jan 06 22:28:19 i got a lot of sensors too, but no time to write drivers Jan 06 22:28:36 yeah.. time is a bitch.. Jan 06 22:32:03 jc: i ordered a hall effect sensor Jan 06 22:32:25 and a wireless spy cam Jan 06 22:32:31 etc Jan 06 22:32:46 so you can spy on whoever disturbs your local magnetic field :P Jan 06 22:33:14 hehe Jan 06 22:33:18 hi, can anybody tell me about other keyboard than the one whichc comes with 2008.12? I don't like it, so if someone can show me good alternatives.. :) Jan 06 22:33:28 but everything is just in boxes at home since i got no time:( Jan 06 22:34:16 Sharwin_F-: illume keyboard Jan 06 22:34:30 quatrox, is it easy to install? Jan 06 22:34:42 check the wiki Jan 06 22:34:46 ok thanks Jan 06 22:34:53 i use SHR Jan 06 22:35:07 oh damn.. the gentoo layman overlay for openmoko isn't working.. Jan 06 22:35:24 :( Jan 06 22:35:51 ding dong.. no ebuilds, useless :/ Jan 06 22:36:10 is there actually anyone who cares about gentoo on fr ? Jan 06 22:36:33 i will try it soon Jan 06 22:36:45 hi, can the headphone socket on the freerunner be adapted to a 3.5mm? Jan 06 22:36:54 no rush, only binary packages are available for the openmoko stuff so far.. Jan 06 22:36:56 yes Jan 06 22:37:00 although you can hand compile... Jan 06 22:37:15 simoo: you have to get a converter Jan 06 22:37:37 jc: thanks, id that a simple maplins job? Jan 06 22:37:46 *is Jan 06 22:38:32 simoo, http://e4deal.com/images/SEP-300-2.5.jpg Jan 06 22:38:51 great, thanks Jan 06 22:40:04 simoo: i bought an adapter from dealextreame.com Jan 06 22:40:56 item #3541 Jan 06 22:41:12 they say not all converters work Jan 06 22:41:24 I didn't get one yet.. Jan 06 22:41:28 mine do Jan 06 22:41:46 nice.. Jan 06 22:42:32 umm.. is it the right site ? Jan 06 22:43:05 dealextreame.com Jan 06 22:43:07 oh, hey rasterman :) Jan 06 22:43:40 welcome back raster:) Jan 06 22:44:24 * raster yawns Jan 06 22:44:27 morning! Jan 06 22:44:35 Morning! Jan 06 22:44:37 Hmm. Jan 06 22:44:45 * SpeedEvil reset his computer, and raster woke up. Jan 06 22:45:01 * SpeedEvil checks what he put in his init scripts. Jan 06 22:45:10 strange.. Jan 06 22:45:15 and i'm going to bed XD Jan 06 22:45:31 quatrox: is this right? http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/screen.png Jan 06 22:45:52 jc: sorry.. dealextreme.com Jan 06 22:46:18 oh.. thanks Jan 06 22:46:32 quatrox, there's an explanation of the keyboard you told me but there's no link in the wiki to download it. I see there are 3 packages in the repositories. I've to install them and that's all? :S Jan 06 22:47:07 SpeedEvil: hahahahaha Jan 06 22:47:11 lol Jan 06 22:47:12 it is the raster keyboard Jan 06 22:48:17 the bed part is cool Jan 06 22:48:28 would be cool to program girlfriends this way Jan 06 22:48:39 but I see I've already installed illume-keyboard-* packages by default Jan 06 22:50:04 Sharwin_F-: ask raster. He wrote it:) Jan 06 22:50:33 raster, ping :P Jan 06 22:51:01 I wouldn't ':P' an active developer you want help from if I was you :)) Jan 06 22:51:26 lol Jan 06 22:52:14 Sharwin_F-: was there no info in the wiki? Jan 06 22:52:20 yes Jan 06 22:52:51 but? Jan 06 22:53:04 there was a page only about the keyboard, but without explanation about installing it Jan 06 22:53:17 but now i see there's more info in the illume general page on the wiki Jan 06 22:53:40 ahh.. great Jan 06 22:54:01 btw. would they kill me if I made/found ebuilds for openmoko stuff, hosted them and put info on the wiki ? Jan 06 22:54:04 hi, I'm getting 'Signature check failed' when running opkg update Jan 06 22:54:06 any ideas? Jan 06 22:54:23 I think its ok cause the default repos dont have any Jan 06 22:54:33 reinouts: no problem Jan 06 22:54:41 well it doesn't let me install mkfs-jffs2 because of it Jan 06 22:54:46 keep on with the upgrade Jan 06 22:55:08 emsyr: what do you mean? Jan 06 22:55:09 all kneel before portage :) Jan 06 22:55:18 which md5 checks all packages :) Jan 06 22:55:40 and takes 2 hours to install subversion.. Jan 06 22:55:41 When do you get 'Signature check failed'? Jan 06 22:55:49 Sharwin_F-: pong Jan 06 22:55:49 :) Jan 06 22:55:59 I get it when i do 'opkg update' Jan 06 22:56:09 emsyr: each time the phone downloads a Packages.sig Jan 06 22:56:27 (it tries for all known devices) Jan 06 22:56:41 For me too, but never had a problem installing an app. Jan 06 22:56:50 It says it on the wiki too. Jan 06 22:57:09 root@om-gta02:~# opkg install mkfs-jffs2 Jan 06 22:57:10 Nothing to be done Jan 06 22:57:10 An error ocurred, return value: 4. Jan 06 22:57:10 Collected errors: Jan 06 22:57:10 Cannot find package mkfs-jffs2. Jan 06 22:57:10 Check the spelling or perhaps run 'opkg update' Jan 06 22:57:27 Then I run opkg update, and I'm back at square 1 Jan 06 22:57:46 So there is no package mkfs-jffs2. Jan 06 22:57:52 jc: do you need serverspace to host ebuilds? Jan 06 22:57:58 you want mkfs-jffs2 ? Jan 06 22:58:01 yes Jan 06 22:58:04 I have it for amd64 here somewhere Jan 06 22:58:06 Maybe it has another name. Jan 06 22:58:09 i586 here Jan 06 22:58:29 quatrox: I have my own, so long as theres not too much traffic Jan 06 22:58:32 I was just running Neotool which instructed me to install that package Jan 06 22:58:33 but thanks :) Jan 06 22:58:34 Or not in the openmoko repository. Jan 06 22:58:35 so I can make a backup Jan 06 22:59:04 hang on.. its really well hidden Jan 06 22:59:08 I'll share it for you.. Jan 06 22:59:40 jc: ok Jan 06 23:00:06 but i got access to openmoko.no Jan 06 23:00:11 you want i386 binary ? Jan 06 23:00:18 on gigabit Jan 06 23:00:27 hmm it seems buildhost.openmoko.org is not running Jan 06 23:01:11 jc: sure. Jan 06 23:01:21 ok, one moment.. I'm still checking out the cvs.. Jan 06 23:01:30 raster, wh'ere are the Illume preferences to turn the keyboard to Default? Jan 06 23:02:41 jc: no rush... no time now.. but send me an email with urls if you need hosting Jan 06 23:03:10 quatrox: oh I don't need hosting, I'm talking about the mkfs.jffs2 tool :) Jan 06 23:03:15 thanks anyway.. Jan 06 23:03:27 ohh Jan 06 23:03:28 anyone more having problems with inputing password in pidgin? Jan 06 23:04:19 mkfs.jffs2: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped Jan 06 23:04:21 hope its ok Jan 06 23:04:46 jc: intel? Jan 06 23:04:58 http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/mkfs.jffs2 Jan 06 23:05:00 not arm? Jan 06 23:05:04 you want arm ? Jan 06 23:05:07 allright then.. Jan 06 23:05:31 can someone just tell me what the official opkg repository URL is for the gta02? Jan 06 23:05:56 sorry Jan 06 23:05:58 i'm trying to upgrade the original 2007.something image which has a wrong repository path Jan 06 23:06:05 pretty please? :) Jan 06 23:06:18 jc: intel will do Jan 06 23:06:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories just gives users repositories Jan 06 23:08:16 maybe someone could place it on the wiki, its hard to find Jan 06 23:08:22 Sharwin_F-: default as in what Jan 06 23:08:24 the layout Jan 06 23:08:26 the dictionary Jan 06 23:08:33 or use illumes internal kbd instead of qtopia? Jan 06 23:08:44 and you cant do your own root image on nand without it Jan 06 23:09:02 of course, people love consuming binary blobs :) Jan 06 23:09:12 raster, I want to use your keyboard on all apps in which now I used the qtopia keyboard Jan 06 23:09:49 e's config panel Jan 06 23:09:55 mkfs.jffs2: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped Jan 06 23:09:55 theres a keyboard section Jan 06 23:10:11 but qtopia will still pop up its keyboard until u set an enviroonment var Jan 06 23:10:19 i forget exactly the var Jan 06 23:10:26 raster, Yes, I've set it up Jan 06 23:10:27 and u need to edit the qtopia rc start script to set it Jan 06 23:10:39 then just go to the keyboard config panel Jan 06 23:10:45 and use defualt instead of none Jan 06 23:10:51 raster, config panel? :S Jan 06 23:11:00 jc: what is the md5sum Jan 06 23:11:10 aah Jan 06 23:11:14 http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/arm/mkfs.jffs2 Jan 06 23:11:17 heres the arm one Jan 06 23:11:20 ok hold on.. Jan 06 23:11:25 this would be the bit where om 2008.x doesnt have access to the config panel enabled Jan 06 23:11:41 raster, that's it I think Jan 06 23:11:42 jc: for intel Jan 06 23:11:43 its possible but you're basically goign to be hackign your system Jan 06 23:12:05 mk5 is: Jan 06 23:12:05 arm: 1d545c83a4f2a6b862d0262218d810c7 Jan 06 23:12:05 x86: d598b1ad9df677b57c40166b28e8d463 Jan 06 23:12:12 and really its at this stage my support stops as the vendor shipping the os has disabled things and thats how they want it Jan 06 23:12:12 raster, I'm just a new user from openmoko, do you recommend me using another distro? Jan 06 23:12:13 s/mk5/md5/ Jan 06 23:12:21 use shr Jan 06 23:12:33 raster ok :) Jan 06 23:13:18 but basically 2008.x is "this is how om wants to ship it to you with stuff only able to be changed by hacking up custom packages of your own or screwing with low level files etc.' Jan 06 23:14:04 quatrox: I can execute it just fine.. Jan 06 23:14:06 any problems ? Jan 06 23:14:31 other distros are set up with more config actually accessible Jan 06 23:14:35 maybe I could statically link it if you want.. Jan 06 23:14:49 but it has a stiff makefile Jan 06 23:17:21 jc: thanks. They should work Jan 06 23:17:23 Has SHR any known bug that other distros don't have? Jan 06 23:17:46 for example I read something about resuming bug Jan 06 23:18:01 quatrox: no problem, good to know :) Jan 06 23:18:03 jc: no need for static linking Jan 06 23:19:31 anyone more having problems with inputing password in pidgin? Jan 06 23:21:15 jc: i cannot run it on my amd_64. Cannot find libz Jan 06 23:21:31 ok I'll make you and amd64 one ;P Jan 06 23:21:36 otherwise you need compat libs Jan 06 23:21:55 just wait till I boot my amd64 laptop and copy it over ;) Jan 06 23:21:59 Sharwin_F-: not sure really Jan 06 23:24:02 mkfs.jffs2: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped Jan 06 23:24:09 http://prostor.hopto.org/~jc/amd64/mkfs.jffs2 Jan 06 23:24:26 md5: 42b568a367b249fe44781a76c50c8093 Jan 06 23:24:37 frankS2: works in SHR Jan 06 23:25:30 the keyboard just disepears when i hit password field Jan 06 23:26:41 wasnt there a button to show the keyboard at the upper left corner ? Jan 06 23:29:11 jc: thanks:) Jan 06 23:29:16 np :) Jan 06 23:29:17 works Jan 06 23:29:52 well.. now we have a complete set of mkfs.jffs2.. would be good to have them somewhere officialy Jan 06 23:30:17 only place you could get that stuff from is the red hat cvs Jan 06 23:30:34 and you have to compile the whole mtd subsystem if you dont know where to look.. Jan 06 23:30:51 jc: i can put them on openmoko.no Jan 06 23:30:58 great :) Jan 06 23:31:45 thanks on behalf of all people who dont like prebuilt root images Jan 06 23:31:53 as long as its not a backlight keyboard it should work on the freerunner Jan 06 23:32:51 jc: but not today - no login yet Jan 06 23:32:59 no problem :) Jan 06 23:33:12 I'll keep them on my srv for now Jan 06 23:33:28 great Jan 06 23:35:37 raster, can I activate the keyboard modying some text config file instead of accessing the config panel? Jan 06 23:36:21 the toggle keyboard button in fdom is great, wonder why it isnt there anymore, apparently... Jan 06 23:37:47 Sharwin_F-: with great pain - possibly Jan 06 23:38:05 but as i said Jan 06 23:38:17 e wasnt designed to do what om insists on doing with it Jan 06 23:38:27 it was designed to have such config accessible in the ui Jan 06 23:38:33 whihc om has decided not to do Jan 06 23:38:52 so at that point i just shrug as no oneis paying me to support om's 2008.x users Jan 06 23:39:10 but they are expecting me to work on other stuff (those that pay me) Jan 06 23:39:11 raster: did they at least get you a freerunner ? Jan 06 23:39:25 jc: i have 2 Jan 06 23:39:33 good Jan 06 23:39:37 if om asked for them back i'd send them Jan 06 23:39:46 i'm not fussed Jan 06 23:40:04 well but its good to hear they support theyr developers anyway Jan 06 23:40:29 but you can bet that at that point i wouldnt even bother talking about the device or om as i'd have no device of theirs to even play with Jan 06 23:40:30 :) Jan 06 23:40:37 well i used to work for om Jan 06 23:40:40 don't anymore Jan 06 23:40:47 why not ? Jan 06 23:41:04 thus - why should i continue to support an os i no longer an paid to support? Jan 06 23:41:14 (beyond small niceties here and there) Jan 06 23:41:22 btw Jan 06 23:41:30 thsi topic has been done to death on the mailing list sand wikis Jan 06 23:41:30 the same reason stallman wrote emacs Jan 06 23:41:36 cause you love hacking on it ;) Jan 06 23:41:39 thats why i'm just not in the mood to yet again repeat it Jan 06 23:41:43 if you don't why do it in the first place.. Jan 06 23:41:51 and repeat all the nitty little steps needed to break out of the config setup they have Jan 06 23:42:03 oh Jan 06 23:42:07 i support e+illume Jan 06 23:42:11 if the config is sane Jan 06 23:42:33 I thought you're the lead developer? :) Jan 06 23:42:37 and if it were - this conversation woudl be a simple "press top shelf. press config spanner - see "keyboard in list - press that - then select "default"" Jan 06 23:42:55 i very much wrote code so i DONT have to answer these q's Jan 06 23:42:59 there is a gui for it all Jan 06 23:43:10 but that gui is disabled in 2008.x Jan 06 23:43:14 well thats the way it works on my fr with fdom Jan 06 23:43:26 thus - the work i did to save myself answering questions all the time goes to waste Jan 06 23:43:29 hmm. what do I do when 2008.12 asks me to enter my SIM pin code, I wait too long, and the screen goes black? Jan 06 23:43:42 I push buttons and tap the screen, nothing happens Jan 06 23:43:56 raster: you don't have to answer any questions, thats what the monkeys here are all about Jan 06 23:44:04 hehehe Jan 06 23:44:13 and yes fdom and shr change the config from 2008.x Jan 06 23:44:14 I've been a gcc bitch today Jan 06 23:44:16 to somethng saner Jan 06 23:44:17 :) Jan 06 23:44:20 jc, are you using FDOM? Jan 06 23:44:21 and I liked to help actually :P Jan 06 23:44:30 Sharwin_F-: have been :) Jan 06 23:44:36 thus i'm happy as finally my answers are simple and the ones i intended to only ever have to give Jan 06 23:45:17 i just don't want to spend time answering q's repeatedly that forc eme into detailed explanations of how to hack somethng because the vendor i no longer work for choses to make it hard :) Jan 06 23:45:28 it's their call and their way of doing things Jan 06 23:45:29 don't feel so obliged to guide people who don't want to read docs... Jan 06 23:45:33 they are by all means entitled to it Jan 06 23:46:04 but that doesnt oblige me to handhold their users when things would not require handholding has they not done what they do :) Jan 06 23:46:08 it would be good to write faqs on wiki so people who at least try that find that kind of stuff Jan 06 23:46:23 any sane person with some time on theyr hands can figure out stuff from the source/arch docs... Jan 06 23:46:34 raster, what exactly were OM's reasons for changing things so much? Jan 06 23:46:59 because will/sean wanted it that way Jan 06 23:47:16 well ballmer wanted vista that way too... Jan 06 23:47:53 thats no reason :) Jan 06 23:48:25 anyway I think I'll let my phone compile xorg peacefully and go sleep :) Jan 06 23:48:38 goodbye.. Jan 06 23:48:44 jc, are you really that opposed to cross compling? Jan 06 23:49:01 cb22 not really.. but its the most comfortable way ;) Jan 06 23:49:13 jc: raster explained all this in a reply on announce mailing list Jan 06 23:49:15 jc, heh, lazy Jan 06 23:49:21 yep Jan 06 23:49:22 exactly Jan 06 23:49:41 I just want to try the stock gentoo before I get on my own work... Jan 06 23:51:01 raster: great keyboard:) Jan 06 23:51:19 I only miss the meta key Jan 06 23:51:32 no Jan 06 23:51:39 compose key Jan 06 23:52:49 compose a e would give the ae letter Jan 06 23:52:52 etc Jan 06 23:54:01 so maybe I add it if i find space for it Jan 06 23:54:20 Silly question - not directly related, though I am experiencing hte problem on my FR. Some websites just don't work - though they resolve fine and ping fine. Jan 06 23:54:26 quatrox: yeah - i use compose myself on the desktop Jan 06 23:54:36 quatrox: i was hoping to finally solve that with the dict Jan 06 23:54:46 Connecting to them just times out, when I use them through my wireless link to my other router. Jan 06 23:54:54 the problem is cramming more keys onto the plain qwerty space Jan 06 23:55:02 If I ssh tunnel, it works. Any thoughts? Jan 06 23:55:02 i can probably cram 1 in the bottom-left Jan 06 23:55:17 oh I hate the default dictionary.. inpractical in any nonenglish language... Jan 06 23:55:22 but there is no real compose handlign in the code Jan 06 23:55:29 jc: hahahahah Jan 06 23:55:36 SpeedEvil, hmm, problems like that usually have some really obscure cause Jan 06 23:55:37 jc: the dict is.. enlgish.. so not surprising Jan 06 23:55:43 yep Jan 06 23:56:05 I'll try to figure out how to disable it when I have X running in the first place :) Jan 06 23:57:11 SpeedEvil: wifi or usb ? Jan 06 23:58:32 raster: good to know you agree with it... but I can also survive without compose Jan 06 23:59:24 there's just one of me Jan 06 23:59:28 and only so many horus in the day Jan 06 23:59:36 i went through a cycle of doing a lot o f kbd work Jan 06 23:59:41 then i went off to other thnigs Jan 06 23:59:45 i tend to cycle around Jan 06 23:59:49 and ignore some subsystem for a while Jan 06 23:59:53 and eventually come back to it Jan 07 00:00:01 as i tend to keep all my context in my head Jan 07 00:00:11 great Jan 07 00:00:11 so i tend to focus on 1 thing at a time Jan 07 00:00:20 me2... Jan 07 00:00:21 and work at that 1 thing mercilessly - then move to the next Jan 07 00:00:26 but I don't usually return to old code :D Jan 07 00:00:33 and maybe in a few months it's time to fix/improve thngs Jan 07 00:00:35 so i come back Jan 07 00:00:53 and often i find other people have patched it into a dogs breakfast by the time i come back Jan 07 00:00:57 so i need to fix it all again Jan 07 00:00:58 :) Jan 07 00:01:11 poeple have commit access to your svn ? Jan 07 00:01:22 way to make your day suck.. Jan 07 00:01:36 s/poeple/people/ Jan 07 00:02:28 raster: that is because there is too few of you:) Jan 07 00:02:37 devs using git usually have only one dictator with commit access and several slaves sending patches from theyr branches ;) Jan 07 00:02:46 jc yes. actually 50 or so do :) Jan 07 00:02:52 that sucks :) Jan 07 00:02:55 jc: and i get emails of every commit Jan 07 00:03:21 git clone raster; Jan 07 00:03:28 3113 mails for commits in my svn commits inbox since august last year Jan 07 00:03:29 he uses svn ;P Jan 07 00:03:44 i know Jan 07 00:03:50 too bad Jan 07 00:04:01 :P Jan 07 00:04:01 Who authorised this clone army? Jan 07 00:04:02 i really dont get a chance to review everything Jan 07 00:04:04 well there are a few disadvantages in git.. Jan 07 00:04:06 hahahaha Jan 07 00:04:26 like not tracking empty directories.. Jan 07 00:04:57 or the time it takes to clone a repo and disk usage.. Jan 07 00:05:06 but my projects are very small usually and I dont mind... Jan 07 00:05:32 really for in house projects with a few devs its a dream... Jan 07 00:06:40 jc: don't forget that you cannot get one subdir Jan 07 00:06:53 cb22: thanks for that :) Jan 07 00:06:57 quatrox: what ? Jan 07 00:07:07 with git Jan 07 00:07:18 what do you mean ? Jan 07 00:07:24 you can have however deep dirs you want Jan 07 00:07:32 but it tracks the files inside, not the dirs Jan 07 00:07:44 so if you have empty dir, it doesn't track ti Jan 07 00:07:44 SpeedEvil, heh, don't want you to get your hopes up ;) Jan 07 00:07:49 *it Jan 07 00:08:02 cb22_: I suppose I need to jam tcpdump on the router. Jan 07 00:08:04 you must checkout the whole thing Jan 07 00:08:11 ooh that Jan 07 00:08:12 yeah Jan 07 00:08:23 but Jan 07 00:08:29 I didn't figure out how to do that either.. but I don't have too anyway Jan 07 00:08:48 but once you initially get the repo, syncing should be fast Jan 07 00:08:52 SpeedEvil, good start. I've had a bad HAL cause really wierd wifi issues for me Jan 07 00:08:56 (on a laptop) Jan 07 00:09:03 like, pings went through fine Jan 07 00:09:17 and telnet worked fine Jan 07 00:09:45 jc: you can track changes trough files. eg if a function move to a different file Jan 07 00:09:47 but nothing else did, not even ssh. figured it was something to do with packet sizes, but still don't really know the exact cause, only that upgrading the HAL fixed it Jan 07 00:10:08 quatrox: didn't need that either ;) Jan 07 00:10:14 we don't change architectures that fast... Jan 07 00:11:12 but it sure beats writing source without version control.. Jan 07 00:11:17 can be cleanup Jan 07 00:11:24 with one command you switch to entirely other version.. Jan 07 00:11:41 except the occasional resulting empty directory swamp Jan 07 00:11:44 thakes time Jan 07 00:12:14 takes time to switch branch Jan 07 00:12:37 well.. for my projects its almost instantenous.. faster than copying older files over :D Jan 07 00:13:12 but someone like rasterman sure would know better why not use git for larger projects... I don't have any idea personally Jan 07 00:13:39 well, at work we have different dirs for each branch Jan 07 00:13:55 thats pretty uncool :) Jan 07 00:14:18 but the code i work with is a complete system Jan 07 00:14:27 26k files Jan 07 00:15:30 including our own kernel Jan 07 00:15:55 so, why not use svn? Jan 07 00:16:14 i use sccs Jan 07 00:16:38 sounds pretty old Jan 07 00:16:39 acient system Jan 07 00:17:48 old, but works good:) Jan 07 00:18:04 not perfect Jan 07 00:18:12 thats good.. git totally works for me :) Jan 07 00:18:34 i use git at home Jan 07 00:19:03 sccs is not good at solving merging conflicts Jan 07 00:19:24 I didnt get one yet.. strange.. Jan 07 00:19:34 guess we have it pretty good organized.. Jan 07 00:20:10 or maybe its because I do most of the work anyway :D Jan 07 00:21:04 anyway I'm really off to sleep now, its pretty late Jan 07 00:21:08 nice talking, bye :) Jan 07 00:21:51 maybe because you only modify line x in file y in one branch Jan 07 00:21:55 bye Jan 07 00:22:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * r88c8bb722671 10gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c: Jan 07 00:22:48 freesmartphone.org: sync. with 1.7 upstream: Jan 07 00:22:48 freesmartphone.org: * report a warning, if ptx buffer is full Jan 07 00:22:48 freesmartphone.org: * enable additional SIEMENS C35 functionality Jan 07 00:22:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07tracking * rc13531a92312 10gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 3 dirs): slight configuration changes and more verbose output if we are dropping bytes due to the ptx buffer being full Jan 07 00:32:59 PaulFertser Jan 07 00:47:05 raster, I've managed to set up the keyboard with enlightenment :) Jan 07 00:47:12 cool! Jan 07 00:47:14 :) Jan 07 00:48:53 raster, just one thing... how can I put in the @ with the stylus keyboard? :) Jan 07 00:49:51 terminal kbd Jan 07 00:49:58 shift 2 Jan 07 00:50:02 @ Jan 07 00:50:47 Sharwin_F-: shift+2 Jan 07 00:50:55 quatrox: beat me to it :) Jan 07 00:51:23 thanks both :) Jan 07 01:56:03 Oh, for crying out loud. If this thing didn't cost hundreds of dollars I'd throw it against the wall just for the pleasure of it. It drained a 3/4 full battery in an hour of suspending, and now it won't boot. Jan 07 01:58:45 feel free to throw it in my general direction Jan 07 02:00:50 Stupid prejudiced phone. Jan 07 02:01:08 It refuses to take USB power half the time these days. Jan 07 02:01:30 Wall charger ONLY.' Jan 07 02:05:33 weird. perhaps it hates you. Jan 07 02:42:37 haha Jan 07 02:42:47 its the software Jan 07 02:42:59 what was it Jan 07 02:43:48 maybe it has a short no i mean an open Jan 07 02:44:20 thats gotta be it it has an open Jan 07 02:45:30 lets see the video of that wall test i bet the freerunner comes out on top Jan 07 02:46:07 put 2008.12 on it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 07 02:59:57 2009