**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 08 02:59:57 2009 Jan 08 03:00:10 Great!! Jan 08 03:00:15 Then you're lucky :) Jan 08 03:00:26 Good to hear a success story, now and again :) Jan 08 03:00:43 Jhass, honestly, some people are just a bit peeved it doesn't make their morning coffee and stuff, too :) Jan 08 03:00:59 I mean my mom said she heard a slight echo, but she only realized it once I asked her if she heard one Jan 08 03:01:10 ah Jan 08 03:01:12 good then Jan 08 03:01:14 not so bad :) Jan 08 03:02:19 right, honestly I don't even care if OM backs out on the freerunner. I think we should keep at it until the software is perfected Jan 08 03:02:42 Yay! Jan 08 03:02:48 * Dave high-fives jhass840 Jan 08 03:03:16 once I get my development environment set up I'm gonna jump in and lend a hand Jan 08 03:03:24 Good man :) Jan 08 03:03:28 (SHR of course) Jan 08 03:04:34 do you happen to know what's supposed to be in the topdir.conf file? Jan 08 03:27:50 Dave: Alright, that worked. Its got my position to within about 30 feet Jan 08 03:42:54 what no new fdom? Jan 08 03:43:50 i wonder if i should run an upgrade on my neo Jan 08 03:45:40 .12? Jan 08 03:45:59 haven't you listened to me once? Jan 08 03:46:01 qt4.3.2 Jan 08 03:51:26 i would like the zd1211rw module for mwester's g833cda8f gta01 kernel Jan 08 03:52:14 aha Jan 08 03:52:16 download the modules_all_* file for that kernel from the same site, and pick the module out of that tarball. Jan 08 03:52:38 well its apparently not in it Jan 08 03:52:59 its a usb wifi adapter driver Jan 08 03:54:39 no drivers/net/wireless/* modules are present Jan 08 03:55:19 does qtopia have any python bindings? Jan 08 03:55:27 do i need to build my own kernel? Jan 08 03:56:28 if it's not in there, then yes -- you'll need to build your own. Jan 08 04:13:50 i guess the terminal is too dim for a flashlight so theres a flashlight program:( Jan 08 04:16:08 well Jan 08 04:16:10 thats interesting Jan 08 04:16:20 apparently, killing off qtopia killed my dropbear Jan 08 04:37:04 Ewww, dropbear. Jan 08 04:37:07 Heheh Jan 08 04:37:23 Doesn't compare to OpenSSH. Jan 08 04:37:32 mwester Jan 08 04:37:47 mind giving me a hadn Jan 08 04:37:57 Digital_Pioneer correctly... uses aeons less of ram/cpu ;) Jan 08 04:38:02 and flashspace Jan 08 04:38:19 but yes.. for scp one wants a real sshd ;) Jan 08 04:38:21 roh: I can imagine, but it sucks. Jan 08 04:38:41 It's not a good tradeoff. :P Jan 08 04:38:55 maybe on the neo, but not the FR Jan 08 04:38:59 aside from that Jan 08 04:39:06 i just unpacked the qtopia 4.3.3 upgrade Jan 08 04:39:09 Digital_Pioneer depends on the usecase.. as poweruser you obviously want a real sshd. the occasional unknowing ui-_user_ doesnt bother.. he only needs it for recovery Jan 08 04:39:09 Ahhh, yes, I use FR. Jan 08 04:39:12 was wondering if anyone might gimme a hand Jan 08 04:39:51 roh: True again. But AFAIK there aren't many unknowing ui-users with FRs. :P Jan 08 04:39:56 if it isnt yet 'just install the real one as package' eventually somebody should request that Jan 08 04:40:06 but afaik openssh is in oe Jan 08 04:40:13 Yeah, it's available. Jan 08 04:40:28 (Good thing too) Jan 08 04:41:07 ;) well.. you cannot make it 'right' for everybody... just see how many different distros we got... shr, debian, qtopia + develstuff like fso Jan 08 04:41:25 That's what's so great about the FR though. :) Jan 08 04:41:37 people have different needs and thus need different sw packages (and bundles aka distros or flavours) Jan 08 04:41:38 And all F/OSS based stuff. Jan 08 04:42:35 jap. thats why i work for om. finally some company which is serious about openness the same was as i see it (so far, only with them < 2 years) Jan 08 04:43:16 roh, gpl or zlib Jan 08 04:43:53 even when some people are annoyed by 'the neccessary choice' its better that way. we learned that the hard way (with ASU) Jan 08 04:45:01 rooly by default om prefers the gpl and lgpl, but when it makes sense also other foss licences are possible (like bsd for example) Jan 08 04:45:31 right Jan 08 04:46:06 e.g. when i write a trac pluging it will be BSD, even when i personally _really_ prefer gpl, but we want as much as possible to go upstream and be merged Jan 08 04:46:17 * rooly likes individual freedom, but prefers to release open source...so i fully appreciate gpl, but i prefer to release in bsd/mit/zlib Jan 08 04:46:42 mostly because i don't like being forced to do anything Jan 08 04:47:37 well.. everybody as he likes it. i want stuff i write to stay opensource, even if it would stop it ending up in binary products then. but thats something which everybody needs to decide for themselves Jan 08 04:48:27 the major point in opensource for me is that i 'do not need to trust the author'. the rest is just politics Jan 08 04:48:59 And philosophy. Jan 08 04:49:26 But in my experience, open source software tends to be higher quality as well, which is a notable point. Jan 08 04:49:44 thats debateable... depends on which piece of code youre looking at Jan 08 04:49:56 * Digital_Pioneer shrugs. Jan 08 04:49:59 for sure not stuff like the floppystreamer drivers in the kernel or so ;) Jan 08 04:51:43 Yeah, well, I don't know what floppystreamer is. :) Jan 08 04:52:32 its more the evolutionary advantage.. do it right only one time, even if you need 3 tries. not do it nearly wrong 3 times and have no source to use the next time Jan 08 04:52:38 F/OSS is like everything else... It has advantages and disadvantages. Just to me, the advantages tend to outweigh the disadvantages. Jan 08 06:53:26 good morning Jan 08 07:00:24 wasssa Jan 08 08:14:06 hello Jan 08 08:15:08 hay Jan 08 08:15:19 mornin' Jan 08 08:15:20 peko Jan 08 08:16:16 ill see you from the office guys , damn , i wish i can just sleep forever Jan 08 08:23:34 its called death Jan 08 08:25:06 kd8ikt: haha Jan 08 08:25:08 good morning Jan 08 08:25:18 hello Jan 08 08:26:46 morning Jan 08 08:31:10 malarkey Jan 08 08:37:33 kd8ikt loool Jan 08 09:22:15 Con Te Partirò Jan 08 09:23:08 ? Jan 08 09:23:50 my grandma worships bocelli Jan 08 09:24:43 hello Jan 08 09:26:10 bocelli sux Jan 08 09:27:00 the man has pipes that will put jesus into your heart Jan 08 09:27:27 ... Jan 08 09:27:57 kd8ikt, into your hurd, you mean :)) Jan 08 09:28:21 kids, I think this is wrong channel for discussions like that Jan 08 09:29:20 ok mom Jan 08 09:29:27 yes , no religious stuff here Jan 08 09:29:43 and do what mom says :P Jan 08 09:29:47 no stupid arguings about anything really, unless it's openmoko related Jan 08 09:30:01 that was a line from lawrence fishburne in cadence Jan 08 09:30:06 :P Jan 08 09:30:33 Tm_T back to the subject , do you know any info on openmoko languages and stuff Jan 08 09:31:01 gfather: languages? yes, it's mainly developed using english Jan 08 09:31:30 Tm_T yes i know , but i want to add support for another languages Jan 08 09:31:44 localization i mean Jan 08 09:32:16 oh, hmmm, there's some translation packages in repositories Jan 08 09:32:28 for wich languages Jan 08 09:32:29 for further information, I think wiki might help Jan 08 09:32:38 i want to see how lets say i can add a new language Jan 08 09:32:47 i searched the wiki , no info there Jan 08 09:33:01 or i didnt find one Jan 08 10:08:47 Hi Jan 08 10:12:10 hello Jan 08 10:56:09 hey all. this probably isn't a first, but suspend does not force quit the roaming daemon Jan 08 10:56:23 or at least, it seems that way Jan 08 10:56:30 I can't suspend while using it Jan 08 11:10:24 openmoko: 03mirko 07org.openmoko.dev * r0227dc0ea599 10/packages/openmoko-projects/paroli_git.bb: fix paroli git URL thx rwhitby Jan 08 11:13:08 *sigh* phonelist thingie crashed, contacts crashed, even dialer crashed. had to reboot. Jan 08 11:31:12 by the way, adding a new contact does not work - i can type in a name but i don't find out how to type in the number, and clicking "save" doesn't do anything - probably because of no number entered. Jan 08 11:33:16 aargh. why does clicking into the number field work _now_, but not before i complain publicly? Jan 08 11:43:37 but now i got a real one: entries with a too long name are silently not saved Jan 08 11:51:56 Does anybody have a suggestion for a graphic text editor to use on the Freerunner? Jan 08 11:52:10 Demind: emacs? Jan 08 11:52:49 and a sort of FBReader that can write too? :) Jan 08 11:53:02 vi Jan 08 11:53:03 I can go with emacs if no other stuff is available of course Jan 08 11:53:27 I prefer emacs over vi (and now the flame starts lol) Jan 08 11:55:25 emacs is available in the feeds Jan 08 11:56:40 peko Jan 08 12:00:06 rwhitby: emacs is available in the feeds , what do you mean? Jan 08 12:00:48 Demind: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/feeds/armv4t/emacs_22.3-r0_armv4t.ipk Jan 08 12:01:11 thanks Jan 08 12:01:19 it's listed in task-openmoko-feed.bb, so any self-respecting openmoko package feed should have it available Jan 08 12:01:29 just opkg install emacs Jan 08 13:08:26 Hi. Jan 08 13:09:13 The 'debian' stage of the Debian installer script, the cdebootstrap in it gives 'O: wget: short write', then it fails to download the Release file. Jan 08 13:10:19 No idea what that means, so I've decided to do it like: run cdebootstrap on my PC, into ./fake-target or something, and then copy everything out of fake-target into the real target dir on the FR. Jan 08 13:10:32 If I do it that way, is it --arch=armel that I want, or --arch=arm? Jan 08 13:23:35 HELLP!!! Jan 08 13:44:13 boys, i need your help. I have tried Qi on my gta01 (hoped it could boot from SD for me) but i like to go back to uboot since it did not. Problem, I have no DFU mode anymore. Jan 08 13:44:42 i thought nandwrite would be the tool to do this. So i bravely tried nandwrite /dev/mtd0 gta01bv4-u-boot.bin Jan 08 13:44:52 Input file is not page aligned Jan 08 13:44:52 Data was only partially written due to error Jan 08 13:44:52 : Success Jan 08 13:45:17 DPThought: and you haven't rebooted since? Jan 08 13:45:31 wow.. gta01 is so easily brickable... Jan 08 13:45:34 Error? Success? I'm confused. I don't like to try if it workd, because if it does not i would need a jtag flash Jan 08 13:45:50 balrog-kun: i would not dare Jan 08 13:46:04 first, is nandwrite the right tool? Jan 08 13:46:11 DPThought: try dumping contents of /dev/mtd0 now and comparing.. maybe Jan 08 13:46:22 nandwrite is what i would try, too Jan 08 13:46:24 nandwrite --help Jan 08 13:46:24 Usage: nandwrite [OPTION] MTD_DEVICE [INPUTFILE|-] Jan 08 13:46:24 Writes to the specified MTD device. Jan 08 13:46:54 not sure if it needs erasing before Jan 08 13:47:00 also you shuld -j to force jffs2 if I'm not mistaken Jan 08 13:47:35 /dev/mtd0 is not jffs2 formatted (or shouldn't be) Jan 08 13:47:39 nandwrite -p produces i/o error. Just tried that Jan 08 13:47:53 oh yeah.. bootloader.. sorry Jan 08 13:47:59 jc__: ;) Jan 08 13:49:07 how do you track bad blocks on bootloader partition then? ;P Jan 08 13:50:32 you pray there aren't any :p Jan 08 13:50:38 practical :D Jan 08 13:50:58 and if there are, then what ? fill block 0 with a jump instruction and write it somewhere else ? Jan 08 13:51:00 but iirc the NAND specification says that the first N blocks must not have errors.. when shipping Jan 08 13:51:15 oh.. good Jan 08 13:52:04 since the probability is 10^-something, they just throw away the chips that have errors in the first blocks at the factory (nand factory, not om factory) Jan 08 13:52:30 afaik the bad blocks can appear anytime and at random even in the first blocks Jan 08 13:52:39 probably even before attaching the memory to the rest of the chip and packing it into a die Jan 08 13:52:47 would be good to use eeprom or somethign to write address of the bootloader or something like that Jan 08 13:52:58 well, dumping it back does not produce matches. But this probably is because it dumps the whole partition and the imagefile is smaller Jan 08 13:53:49 yeah, i think you need to compary only the beginning Jan 08 13:56:16 great busybox head has no -c. dd then... Jan 08 13:58:39 who would have thought, they differ. :) Jan 08 13:58:44 panic! Jan 08 13:59:47 that means virgin in our language haha Jan 08 14:00:31 anyway, gl with the fixing Jan 08 14:06:46 it might be that nandwrite expects files with oob interleaved or something Jan 08 14:07:03 mc's hex viewer would tell you probably Jan 08 14:07:33 what is oob? :) Jan 08 14:08:47 and i see no obious patern in hexdump :) Jan 08 14:18:49 know what, I just try it. I have no idea what i could do different Jan 08 14:19:05 at least it sayed Success at the end Jan 08 14:19:26 google is suprisingly silent on this topic :-/ Jan 08 14:20:38 DPThought: OOB is Out Of Band Jan 08 14:21:08 out of band what| Jan 08 14:21:09 ? Jan 08 14:21:38 means extra data that you cant normally see in the filesystem, stuff like CRC checks, bad block marking Jan 08 14:21:48 ah Jan 08 14:22:07 I dont know exactly what OOB data jffs uses Jan 08 14:22:24 it's uboot Jan 08 14:22:31 or that Jan 08 14:22:55 probably depends on how it was built Jan 08 14:23:47 no debug board I assume Jan 08 14:25:27 XorA: nope Jan 08 14:26:00 I wonder if Qi will load the RAM version of u-boot instead of vmlinuz Jan 08 14:27:08 hi, Anyone experienced a problem, where enlightenment doesn't show any icons? something similar was described here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1682681 Jan 08 14:27:58 XorA: dfu-util and u-boot commands for writing the bootloader mention no additional paramters. Jan 08 14:28:44 XorA: but if i think about it. That still does not say if it is oob or not. Jan 08 14:28:58 i compiled it from source r38400 - and can't see any icons Jan 08 14:29:06 DPThought: my thinking is you can load u-boot into ram using dfu and execute it, if you could fool Qi into doing the same trick, you would have u-boot running which you can then use to dfu u-boot to flash Jan 08 14:29:33 XorA: you mean like loding it like a kernel? Jan 08 14:29:37 yes Jan 08 14:29:46 I have no idea on the workingness of the idea Jan 08 14:30:01 XorA: sounds - brave Jan 08 14:30:25 sounds like a feature Qi should have :-D Jan 08 14:30:52 XorA: ah, it just dawns me. That would mean writing it to the kernel partition. Noting gained. Same problem. If i do it wrong i'm busted Jan 08 14:31:08 oh, doesnt Qi for gta01 support microSD Jan 08 14:31:28 XorA: that's the issue. It does not work. No idea why Jan 08 14:31:37 I see Jan 08 14:31:52 XorA: maybe some incompatibility to my sd card. neither uboot or qi could boot from it Jan 08 14:32:52 maybe sdhc vs. sd. But the wiki says nothing about that. And as usual the wiki is filled with false information about gta01 because freerunnter owners dont get it :) Jan 08 14:32:54 * XorA is out of ideas Jan 08 14:33:28 I had the feeling that there was something documented about somt sdhc issues back then :) Jan 08 14:33:50 ok, i'm doing it... Jan 08 14:35:34 Werner is probably the man to ask about NAND hacking, if he can remeber that far back Jan 08 14:36:15 too late. I have just bricked it *g* Jan 08 14:36:57 Who has a debug board in germany and is willing to do a jtag reanimation? Jan 08 14:37:17 lol Jan 08 14:37:38 DPThought: all else fails go to FOSDEM :-) Jan 08 14:38:44 i can tell you. If i have to wait until feb i go nuts Jan 08 14:39:06 And the train ticket to brussles probably hosts nearly as much as a gta02 Jan 08 14:39:34 can I use the uImage from 2008.12 and the rootfs from FSO ? Jan 08 14:40:28 ah, then hunting .de for debug board probably quicker then Jan 08 14:40:39 there are some in frankfurt and berlin Jan 08 14:40:42 or sure Jan 08 14:40:44 for sure Jan 08 14:45:00 making good progress on an app by missing large ammounts of sleep+- Jan 08 14:54:49 DPThought: :( you were too brave to try Qi without dboard. And too brave to try to overwrite it with u-boot again without consulting low-level guru's first... Jan 08 14:55:41 DPThought: i wonder if some wiggler-style JTAG can be used with GTA01... Jan 08 14:56:21 PaulFertser: my post on the community list was never answered. So i thought there aren't any gurus. :) And how hard can it be... Jan 08 14:56:28 PaulFertser: think so. Jan 08 14:57:30 DPThought: community mailing list is too high-volume and sometimes too low-sense. That's why no guru's seen your mail. Jan 08 14:58:58 DPThought: if wiggler-style confirmed ok, are you ready to try it? I think it's easier and safer to find a DB in Germany. Jan 08 15:00:19 DPThought: and rebooting too fast was a mistake ;) You probably could have recovered using a proper nand-writing method... Jan 08 15:00:21 wiggler can be used Jan 08 15:00:27 as long as you can find the wiring Jan 08 15:01:13 And it might be even more robust because there were some issues with libftdi mentioned etc, yes? Jan 08 15:01:29 PaulFertser: A parallel port is for me almost as exotic as a debug board :) Jan 08 15:01:42 And no need for flaky debug cable, just solder directly to the board :) Jan 08 15:02:34 btw http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2/Unbricking Jan 08 15:02:45 DPThought: oh, werner introduced a new kind of debug board, have you seen it? Jan 08 15:03:58 Help!! Jan 08 15:04:04 How to install openmoko?? Jan 08 15:04:19 Stanlin: om2008.12? Jan 08 15:04:33 PaulFertser: v3? Jan 08 15:04:48 DPThought: i think you've tried to nandwrite a uimage instead of raw bin file, that's the problem :( Jan 08 15:06:06 Stanlin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner Jan 08 15:06:11 DPThought: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/ Jan 08 15:06:29 \o/ Jan 08 15:08:22 PaulFertser: cool. But I have to say. I don't intend to go so low level. But a real serial console for uboot would be nice. This usb emulation thingie is broken beyond belief Jan 08 15:09:06 DPThought: a working Qi would be nice and you won't need any serial console in bootloader :) Jan 08 15:09:44 u-boot has a serial console Jan 08 15:09:49 you just need to wire it up Jan 08 15:09:51 DPThought: do you confirm you've tried to nandwrite an image suitable for dfu-util (and therefore unsuitable for nandwrite)? Jan 08 15:10:55 PaulFertser: exactly. Jan 08 15:16:35 PaulFertser: do you know how i sould have done it? Jan 08 15:17:39 Anyone got a reliable alarm in om2008.12? Jan 08 15:18:26 btw alarm Jan 08 15:18:40 that only works with non-suspendet phone, doesn't it? Jan 08 15:18:47 yes Jan 08 15:19:00 beni: i heard otherwise. But never tried it Jan 08 15:19:34 DPThought: i guess you should have stripped the header from image (not sure how exactly) and then nandwrite it. Just a speculation Jan 08 15:19:36 I want my neo to wake me in the morning, but I end up having to use another phone, it is degrading. Jan 08 15:19:38 DPThought: havent tryed that too Jan 08 15:19:43 but i wonder how that works Jan 08 15:20:01 maybe the internal clock supports some alarm that rises an interrupt or something Jan 08 15:20:25 Daramarak: it should work but probably not reliably. Don't rely on that. Jan 08 15:21:13 I worked once for me on 2008.8. I have tested it several times, it is very very unreliable. Jan 08 15:21:50 I know that someone was working on a fix, but I haven't seen or heard anything. Jan 08 15:22:54 If you're using om2008, you won't get anything stable anyway. Jan 08 15:23:52 Oh, as a phone it is stable for me. Jan 08 15:24:31 Has used it more or less without any problems as a sms capable mobile phone since october. Jan 08 15:30:58 DPThought: i think ...so Jan 08 15:34:02 DPThought: are you around? Jan 08 15:35:41 Help!! How to install openmoko?? (in a virtual machine, or a real computer) Jan 08 15:36:28 Stanlin: please answer the question Jan 08 15:36:44 Stanlin: not really. Going to have lunch. Jan 08 15:36:59 DPThought: look here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU Jan 08 15:37:55 Stanlin: short answer to your question. Pick a distro and flash it via dfu-util (kernel + rootfs) Jan 08 15:38:25 ehm, I mean Stanlin, sorry Jan 08 15:39:12 dent: was woundering :) Jan 08 15:39:52 na ja, no idea how that happened... botched multitasking I guess Jan 08 15:40:00 oh, he added virtual to his question. I wounder what detail comes next he assumes us to know... Jan 08 15:40:26 :) Jan 08 15:40:29 anyway. afk to eat something Jan 08 15:42:23 DPThought: do you have a How-to ?? Jan 08 15:43:00 Stanlin: just read throught the wiki to get the overall idea, then ask about details Jan 08 15:43:30 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions for example Jan 08 15:43:50 if you want to flash some into the device itself... Jan 08 15:44:22 dent: oki.. my goal is to install openmoko in PDA's Jan 08 15:44:31 today is gonna suck, going to be at work 3x longer than I was asleep, then i have to drive half way across town before heading home :-\ Jan 08 15:45:55 AntonTakk: declare yourself ill and sleep Jan 08 15:47:56 heh, problem is i have already been at work for two hours, so they know i'm not sick Jan 08 15:48:36 actually, almost 3 hours Jan 08 15:50:37 do it like I do - drink hazardous amounts of cola :)) Jan 08 15:51:01 got two litres og the green caffeine in my desk :) Jan 08 15:59:56 cafeine makes me sleepy Jan 08 16:53:54 is android a better OS than openmoko on the freerunner at the moment for practical use? Jan 08 16:55:47 Android? No. Qtopia, maybe. Jan 08 16:56:27 peko Jan 08 17:24:24 i'm a little bit lost in the wiki about how to install SHR on a microSD card, so i will request your help today and hope you will be helpful Jan 08 17:25:07 it seems the first step would be to format the microSD card to ext3, so how to do this? Jan 08 17:26:05 uhsf, You haven't *nix expirience at all? So, why are you bought neo? man mkfs3 Jan 08 17:27:13 is it possible to format the card inside the neofreerunner or is it necessary to use a card reader? Jan 08 17:27:37 It is possible, if you boot smth from nand. Jan 08 17:29:17 wow.. Jan 08 17:31:11 uhfs: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Jan 08 17:31:25 apt: tell me something about lazy-lulu Jan 08 17:33:13 uhsf: more specifically: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Prepare_the_SD_card Jan 08 17:33:55 ty sicu Jan 08 17:34:14 apt: who is lazy-lulu Jan 08 17:34:14 lazy-lulu is probably a Skynet-manufactured body that resembles a teenaged girl, sent back in time (by the future Dave) to protect him. Unfortunately Dave having suffered major memory loss due to not taking his meds, has no memory of the future or Lazy Lulu and now thinks she's out to get him. Jan 08 17:35:32 so it IS true.... Jan 08 17:36:23 =] Jan 08 17:41:32 lol wtf Jan 08 17:48:16 does the neofreerunner need to be powered on so it appears as a device in /dev? because there is no /dev/mmcblk0 as in the wiki. Jan 08 17:51:17 uhsf: what are you doing? /dev/mmcblk0 sounds like the device for the sd card, so yes, it would neet to be turned on? Jan 08 17:53:10 this /dev/mmcblk0 does appear in the linux running on the freerunner, not on a computer it's connected to by usb Jan 08 17:53:26 i see Jan 08 17:54:22 and for linux to be running on the freerunner, it must be turned on, of course Jan 08 17:55:16 <- typing this on a freerunner in a moving train Jan 08 17:56:27 so, i guess the real first step then, is to set up the freerunner with my pc so i can use a real keyboard to enter installation commands Jan 08 17:56:55 using the onscreen keyboard is painful Jan 08 17:57:56 should not take much Jan 08 17:58:10 load correct modules Jan 08 17:58:27 configure usb0 network device Jan 08 17:58:38 ssh into freerunner Jan 08 17:58:58 i want to execute native c code on android . is it possible? Jan 08 17:59:07 <- has reached destination station Jan 08 17:59:20 i want to execute native c code on android . is it possible? any answer? Jan 08 18:01:27 spsneo: no Jan 08 18:01:39 zash__: any reasons for that? Jan 08 18:01:56 maybe if you jailbreak it Jan 08 18:02:06 spsneo: everything is in java Jan 08 18:02:18 zash__: but the kernel is based on linux Jan 08 18:02:29 and it has libc library as well Jan 08 18:02:31 yeah, i was going to say you could root it and it went to a shell, so it's "possible" Jan 08 18:02:54 toggles_w: any idea how to do that? Jan 08 18:03:12 spsneo: well, i thought it was telnet.. Jan 08 18:03:22 what? Jan 08 18:03:29 toggles_w: i didnt get you Jan 08 18:04:03 http://technology.unanimocracy.com/google/2009/01/07/t-mobile-g1-android-rc30-root-exploit-released/ Jan 08 18:04:06 yep, telnet Jan 08 18:05:09 assuming you have the build chain, i don't se why you can't write native c, just a pita to get working.. Jan 08 18:05:12 good luck Jan 08 18:05:30 toggles_w: just one more question.. Jan 08 18:05:59 according to google : android doesnt support glibc Jan 08 18:06:08 it rather supports bionic libc Jan 08 18:06:11 whats this? Jan 08 18:07:13 http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html Jan 08 18:07:20 a slim libc developed by Google for use in the Android mobile software platform Jan 08 18:08:00 so that means , I will have to go through the bionic libc to develop apps in c for android? Jan 08 18:08:07 yessir Jan 08 18:08:14 um.. or mamm.. ;-) Jan 08 18:08:26 actually I want to port trishul jvm to android Jan 08 18:08:38 by the way I am sir ;) Jan 08 18:08:59 ;-) Jan 08 18:09:04 any link explaining how to build arm cross compiler on ubuntu ? Jan 08 18:10:15 toggles_w: ^^ ? Jan 08 18:10:35 spsneo: i'd follwo this http://source.android.com/download Jan 08 18:13:28 toggles_w: but its all about installing git client etc.. what about the cross compiler? Jan 08 18:14:51 spsneo: not sure what the build process produces, but i'm going to assume it builds for arm, so when you get to building the code it will take care of the x compiler for you Jan 08 18:15:05 i could be wrong, not dont it myself, but thats where i'd start Jan 08 18:15:19 especially as you're are porting to androind, you need the build system Jan 08 18:15:27 toggles_w: fine thanks ! Jan 08 18:15:35 i will try it Jan 08 18:15:45 are you available on jabber ? Jan 08 18:15:52 the other option is to type "ubuntu arm cross compiler" into google, it provides links Jan 08 18:17:41 toggles_w: dalvik jvm is open source? Jan 08 18:17:56 spsneo: no idea Jan 08 18:23:09 freesmartphone.org: 03ainulindale 07framework * raf588df3e736 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_csv_contacts.py: Corrected a trailing \n causing problems with the writing of the contacts backend. Jan 08 18:24:17 the emu is based on OM-2007.2 Jan 08 18:24:38 how can i get om-2008.8 Jan 08 18:24:49 or how can i emulate om-2008.8 Jan 08 18:25:52 .... Jan 08 18:26:37 gfather: i assume you are talking about using qemu to emulate the hardware? Jan 08 18:26:59 yse , but xoo Jan 08 18:27:12 not qemu Jan 08 18:27:13 hm how do i get mp3 support in openmokos media player Jan 08 18:28:40 gfather: ok, either way. the emu doesn't emulate 2007.x or 2008.x, ie emulates the gat01 Jan 08 18:29:00 ah , thats i didnt think of Jan 08 18:29:32 and the only real diference between the gta01 and 02 are cpu speed,,, storage, wifi, bt, accelerometers and i believe glamo Jan 08 18:29:51 so there is really no real need to emulate both the 01 AND 02 separately Jan 08 18:30:31 is 'frameworkd' = fso? Jan 08 18:30:34 yes , but the om-2008.8 dont work on gta1 , and i dont want to work on om.2007.2 Jan 08 18:30:36 yes Jan 08 18:31:07 becouse i want to make arabic support of openmoko Jan 08 18:31:22 since when doesn't 2008.8 work on the gta01? Jan 08 18:31:39 when i try to ping the neofreerunner i get: ping: bad preload value, should be 1..65536. what should i do to get a successful ping? Jan 08 18:31:39 and i dont want to work on the om-2007.2 and then have to figure out how to do it on om-2008.8 Jan 08 18:32:07 uhsf: remove the option to preload the packets? Jan 08 18:32:33 AntonTakk its mentioned somewhere Jan 08 18:33:06 gfather: have you tried running 2008.8 in xoo? Jan 08 18:35:09 AntonTakk , no becouse the source is 2007.2 Jan 08 18:35:26 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Openmoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo Jan 08 18:35:43 its not like i can open xoo and select the om-2088.8 to emualte :) Jan 08 18:38:59 from the instructions there it doesn't matter Jan 08 18:39:21 looks like youre compiling the op apps/libs natively on your desktop instead of for arm Jan 08 18:39:30