**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 12 02:59:57 2009 Jan 12 03:22:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Illume#How_to_install_a_new_Keyboard_Layout Jan 12 03:23:22 i want that but i get a white keyboard every time----WHY? Jan 12 06:40:50 A-GPS is available on FR? or which distro provides good GPS support? Jan 12 06:55:52 most have good support, i use shr myself, fso-gpsd seems to work better than gpsd Jan 12 06:56:48 good morning Jan 12 07:03:43 good morning guys :) Jan 12 07:05:35 no one uo , strange Jan 12 07:05:41 wake up guys :) Jan 12 07:08:37 It's one o'clock in the morning , and it's Monday ----- go back to bed!!! I Jan 12 07:27:18 i'm at work :) Jan 12 08:37:51 has anyone here resolved this issue? http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1598645 Jan 12 08:38:59 restoring the state files didn't work for me Jan 12 08:39:29 anyone know how to make it not use speakerphone for incoming calls? Jan 12 08:54:23 ah, had to stop QPE first Jan 12 10:00:39 Hi Jan 12 10:01:21 Does anybody have tried to recompile FR kernel following the Wiki?I'm talking about the git tree, thanks Jan 12 10:02:18 Demind: if so? Jan 12 10:06:53 I have some errors Jan 12 10:06:59 with the standard config Jan 12 10:07:21 and they are not errors related to the compile stuff... Jan 12 10:07:25 can I pastebin? Jan 12 10:10:06 oh well, here i pasted my errors: http://pastebin.com/m7de1e871 Jan 12 10:18:33 So anybody has a hint for me? Jan 12 10:29:00 Demind: syntax error in some file. grep -ri no_0f58c86e19a954fd-mokodev /path/to/kernel/tree could help you find the file causing the problem. Jan 12 10:32:57 unfortunately I've already tried that Jan 12 10:33:25 Hello, could you help me please with AT command? I don't know how send them to GSM modem... Jan 12 10:33:35 that was the first thing....I've used a grep -d recurse instead of a grep -ri but the result obviuosly is the same Jan 12 10:33:47 Demind: what repo did you check out? Jan 12 10:34:03 Cervajz: i think there is an example for that in the gsm flashing wiki article. Jan 12 10:34:27 git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 Jan 12 10:34:27 git checkout origin/andy-tracking Jan 12 10:34:46 I obtain the same even if I checkout the stable one Jan 12 10:34:46 henk: yes, here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Neo_FreeRunner_gsm_modem#Sending_Commands Jan 12 10:34:46 but it's not working for me Jan 12 10:35:09 Cervajz when I do stuff like that I use minicom Jan 12 10:35:20 Does anybody has some experiences with this? Jan 12 10:35:30 Demind: Ah ok. i'll try it Jan 12 10:35:40 Cervajz: 'not working' is ... crap. no information. how should we help without information? Jan 12 10:36:27 henk: I'm sorry, whena I connect to /dev/ttySAC0 then cu shows "connected", but i don't know how send these commands Jan 12 10:36:54 Cervajz: apart from that, i was talking about this article: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Jan 12 10:37:25 Cervajz: using cat and echo seems to work just fine. cu/minicom whatever are not necessarily needed. Jan 12 10:37:36 o_O damn, only echo :D Jan 12 10:38:11 Demind: i'm checking it out too to test. perhaps i can find something. Jan 12 10:38:26 Thanks a lot Jan 12 10:38:39 It sounds quite weird to me that error Jan 12 10:38:48 I wait here :) Jan 12 10:40:04 Thank you, i'll try it Jan 12 10:40:35 hi guys, I would like to know if the GTA02 is likely to have overheating problems ? Jan 12 10:43:09 I have some freezes when I'm doing tasks using CPU a lot, then I have to wait a while to be able to restart it... Jan 12 10:55:21 Demind: what does git branch tell you? (not continuing in the query, might interest other people) Jan 12 10:56:05 ok Jan 12 10:56:25 git branch Jan 12 10:56:26 * (no branch) Jan 12 10:56:26 master Jan 12 10:56:37 what branch do you want? Jan 12 10:56:37 this doesn't sound good Jan 12 10:56:44 andy-tracking Jan 12 10:57:11 Demind: git branch -r Jan 12 10:57:38 Demind: you have to check that out... git checkout origin/andy-tracking afaik Jan 12 10:57:41 lindi-: I get a list of possible branches with that command Jan 12 10:57:47 the 'afaik' does not belong to the command ;) Jan 12 10:57:55 I know ;) Jan 12 10:58:02 the problem is that I've just done it Jan 12 10:58:07 my procedure was: Jan 12 10:58:26 1_ cloning git tree Jan 12 10:58:26 2_ "selecting" git branch Jan 12 10:58:36 with checkout origin/andy-tracking Jan 12 10:58:43 i think i created my own local branch that tracks the remote branch Jan 12 10:58:51 in fact when I gave that commando I got: Jan 12 10:59:02 git checkout origin/andy-tracking Jan 12 10:59:03 HEAD is now at 0f58c86... MERGE-via-pending-tracking-hist-MERGE-via-stable-tracking-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc-1231750955 pending-tracking-hist top was MERGE-via-stable-tracking-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc-1231750955 / e65b1767efec44dadf4ee7163bedffc0aedfd06e ... parent commitmessage: From: merge MERGE-via-stable-tracking-hist-add-missing-pcap7200-guts-patc Jan 12 11:00:09 Demind: try "git branch local-andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking" Jan 12 11:00:24 Demind: it should create a local branch that tracks the remote branch Jan 12 11:00:41 git branch local-andy-tracking origin/andy-tracking Jan 12 11:00:41 Branch local-andy-tracking set up to track remote branch refs/remotes/origin/andy-tracking. Jan 12 11:00:47 yep Jan 12 11:00:56 Demind: now git checkout local-andy-tracking Jan 12 11:01:21 git checkout local-andy-tracking Jan 12 11:01:22 Switched to branch "local-andy-tracking" Jan 12 11:01:23 i just love rcs... Jan 12 11:01:24 this sound sgood Jan 12 11:01:26 so much fun. Jan 12 11:01:33 I try Jan 12 11:01:36 Demind: there you go Jan 12 11:02:27 good Jan 12 11:02:36 great guys you gave me a very big help Jan 12 11:02:38 thanks Jan 12 11:04:38 have to go now, thanks again. Bye see you soon! Jan 12 12:30:48 Hi, if I would like to make an app for the FSO distribution, can I base myself onto http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide or is that only for OM2008 ? Jan 12 12:37:06 Bert_2: there is no 'fso distribution' per se, they are just demo images. the fso framework is going to be used in Om from 2009 on and debian, shr (afaik) and other distributions already use the fso stack anyway. Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rcf8ecea98c44 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (const.py sms.py): Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add new properties to SMS messages Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: This adds support for setting and getting alphabet (encoding) and PID Jan 12 12:37:18 freesmartphone.org: over sms.properties Jan 12 12:39:05 henk: okey, but I just want to know which programming languages are available ;) Jan 12 12:41:06 Bert_2: at least python, but as far as i understood the concept any available on that hardware platform. Jan 12 12:41:45 henk: so if I'd like to compile PHP and PHP-GTK for ARM I can do that and it should work ? Jan 12 12:42:11 php? o_O Jan 12 12:42:21 hate that... Jan 12 12:42:58 henk: yeah, I should learn python but I already know PHP so it would be a lot easier if I could use PHP-CLI and PHP-GTK Jan 12 12:43:10 I mean it takes over a month to learn python and pygtk Jan 12 12:43:34 'sigh' and php only takes a day and that's why there are mainly shitty php apps out there... Jan 12 12:43:57 yeah, that's true I know Jan 12 12:44:13 bullshit... i'd learn python or c/c++ when developing for the phone. python is on there anyways and anything compiled usually runs faster than interpreted stuff. Jan 12 12:44:45 i don't use php on my server nor would i have the idea of using it for a not webbased application. Jan 12 12:44:47 yeah, but isn't it going to take very long to learn GUI programming in python and c++ ? Jan 12 12:45:38 learning programming takes long. it's not a matter of days or weeks usually... Jan 12 12:45:55 yeah, I already tought so Jan 12 12:46:04 but I'll have to learn python anyway so why not Jan 12 12:46:19 and I'm already learning C++ during vacations Jan 12 12:47:52 making a gui depends on the tools used... with borland builder c++ there is a nice toy interface for 'building' a gui and with anjuta there is a ide for linux that helps building gtkX guis. Jan 12 12:48:31 but those IDE-ish programs take away much of the power you have as a programmer, right ? Jan 12 12:48:31 if you like writing your guis by hand it's probably going to take longer, but will be cleaner i can imagine. Jan 12 12:48:42 there's glade too that generates XML representation of the GTK ui which can then be used from both C and python afaik Jan 12 12:49:13 i just hate borland... had to use that at school to learn c++ that has not been ansi compatible up to 2002 and is even more incompatible since then. Jan 12 12:49:27 lindi-: I know glade, making complex GUIs with it is aweful Jan 12 12:49:52 lindi-: but perhaps it's good for the neo because it has a small screen (so no space for complex stuff) Jan 12 12:49:52 henk: are you sure you could have not used something else? Jan 12 12:50:23 hi Jan 12 12:50:34 henk: thank god I'm going to a FOSS inspired university :P Jan 12 12:50:37 hi kamson Jan 12 12:50:49 lindi-: yep! our teacher didn't even know borland c++ in that version was not compatible to ansi c++... Jan 12 12:51:10 Bert_2: lucky you... which one? Jan 12 12:51:13 henk: i have always managed to negotiate myself away from such "MUST DO"'s Jan 12 12:51:30 henk: university of Antwerp (for my bachelor) Jan 12 12:51:43 henk: I've already been there to get some CAcert stuff done Jan 12 12:51:45 henk: usually it only involves doing double the work or something Jan 12 12:52:13 lindi-: i didn't really care... our class was a mixture between systemintegratoren (admins) and anwendungsentwicklern (application developers) and since i'm not a developer i didn't care enough to do something. Jan 12 12:52:18 we had enough other problems... Jan 12 12:53:29 that's one of the great things about being a teenage webdesigner, I'm not bound to operating systems :P Jan 12 12:54:39 but now I'm going for apps and the distasters begin :P Jan 12 12:54:45 lindi-: it's not like that was a university or something. that was a 'berufsschule' for apprentices to 'learn' something there. http://xkcd.com/519/ shows pretty accurately how useful that school was to me... Jan 12 12:55:21 lol :P Jan 12 12:55:36 reminds me of the hacker manifesto Jan 12 14:13:08 Hello, does anybody know in which OPKG package the command "iptables" is buried? Jan 12 14:17:08 Hello gentleman :) I'm planning develop application for Neo Freerunner, but my question is which distro is better for this purpose...My first plan was develop for Om200x.x distro but when I saw FSO I'm hesitating. Sorry form my English Jan 12 14:19:07 Cervajz, SHR is good choose. Jan 12 14:19:32 is there a stable shr image atm? Jan 12 14:19:55 or should i rather wait a bit longer assuming that i'm quite happy with my current distro? Jan 12 14:21:23 yes, but has SHR future? Jan 12 14:21:35 SHR isn't stable, but, it impements freesmartphone.org specification, and that is really nice. And very nice if you want develop some application that shoud work with GSP/PIM/etc Jan 12 14:21:59 so the latest fso image is more stable? Jan 12 14:22:35 my fso installation broke when i did opkg update; opkg upgrade Jan 12 14:22:35 max_posedon: Wow, SHR has "dbus" like FSO? Jan 12 14:22:42 and now i wonder if i should reinstall the fso image and not upgrading it or if i should install shr Jan 12 14:22:44 the latest fso is "stable" but its considered a base install.. Jan 12 14:22:59 Cervajz, yes. Jan 12 14:23:18 Shlee: base meaning you should opkg install stuff? I think that is reasonable for any distribution Jan 12 14:23:46 gtk+-fastscaling is causing a bunch of conflicts when upgrading to OM2008.12. Is this a known issue ? Jan 12 14:23:53 max_posedon: Ok...so...I can develop app for FOS and it will be works on SHR too.. Jan 12 14:24:14 Cervajz, hm... depend on what your app will do) Jan 12 14:26:48 max_posedon: It will be a desktop application for managing neo, sending sms, editing contacts, etc Jan 12 14:27:04 It has two parts: Client (desktop) and server Jan 12 14:27:09 Comunicating over TCP Jan 12 14:28:50 hm... yes it should works on both (SHR/FSO) if you will use dbus. Jan 12 14:29:15 (and if you will use dbus, you doesn't need a "server" at all, as I know) Jan 12 14:50:57 PaulFertser: (alsa softvol) see: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/1731 Jan 12 15:02:30 Hi how do I unpack the kernel modules into the root of my freerunner when using qtextended? Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r97ec4a1770fc 10/src/odeviced/frameworkd-glib-odeviced-dbus.h: Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: adjust BUS_PATH for battery Jan 12 15:08:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Jan 12 15:10:03 hi. i want to install shr, and in the openmoko wiki is written that i need 2 files from here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ . kernel *-latest.bin and a jffs2 file, but there is none. where do i get the root files sys from? Jan 12 15:11:29 root_at: http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Get%20Started Jan 12 15:12:38 but here the link goes to a page for neo1973. is this fine? Jan 12 15:13:13 root_at: yes, look for gta02 (Freerunner) in the filename. gta01 is neo1973 Jan 12 15:13:32 ah yes..but which jffs2 file do i need? Jan 12 15:16:14 root_at: uhm how should we know? probably the latest? for gta02? with a summary? perhaps the lite edition? Jan 12 15:20:40 i thought it would matter in any way Jan 12 15:21:19 but i will take the lite edition..i am minimalist :) Jan 12 15:31:36 CES is "BOOM"-con.. Jan 12 15:32:02 If I listen to one more PR-guy say.. "and look at this.. BOOM" Jan 12 15:32:03 I Jan 12 15:32:11 I'll choke them. Jan 12 15:56:19 angl Jan 12 15:56:21 argl Jan 12 15:56:29 why are the fso repositories so broken? Jan 12 15:56:42 fso repositories? Jan 12 15:56:44 I want to install python-sqlite3 Jan 12 15:57:06 right after flashing the fso image, opkg tells me it got a 404 downloading the .ipk Jan 12 15:57:10 so i do opkg update Jan 12 15:57:29 I thought fso is not for use alone Jan 12 15:57:39 but then opkg seems not to have any download link anymore Jan 12 15:58:09 but when those packages are in the package list files then they should be installable i think... Jan 12 15:58:09 regardless of the availability of any frontends Jan 12 15:58:34 when i do opkg upgrade, it installs new opkg-feed files Jan 12 15:58:38 evolux: unless packagelist is not from repository server Jan 12 15:59:07 but i don't want to do a full upgrade because then the system is even more fucked up Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r4a8735490abf 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fixed getting of alphabet property. Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: The previous commit broke all SMS functionality, this fixes the issue. A Jan 12 15:59:10 freesmartphone.org: test case is now included that will recognize this failure. Jan 12 15:59:49 Tm_T: the first packagelist is the one in the official image, the second resulted after a simple opkg update Jan 12 16:00:17 evolux: I think fso is "EOL" as distribution Jan 12 16:00:25 eol? Jan 12 16:00:30 end of life Jan 12 16:00:35 it's not a distribution... Jan 12 16:00:42 henk: exactly Jan 12 16:00:57 henk: OM did have barebones distribution named FSO Jan 12 16:01:01 but not anymore Jan 12 16:01:07 IIRC Jan 12 16:01:12 fso worked perfectly for me one week ago Jan 12 16:01:15 I might be wrong, as usual Jan 12 16:01:22 before they changed the package lists Jan 12 16:01:36 so does SHR have a usable package repository? Jan 12 16:01:42 does Jan 12 16:02:00 but also might have breakages until first release and so on Jan 12 16:02:10 is there a usable image? Jan 12 16:02:14 is Jan 12 16:02:20 in their page Jan 12 16:02:40 shr-project.org I think Jan 12 16:02:52 Sargun: Have you had your vi today? Jan 12 16:03:12 thank you! Jan 12 16:05:01 y does my shr dont ask me for a pin at startup? Jan 12 16:07:26 root_at: do you have a sim card, pin protected, in your phone ? Jan 12 16:08:11 yes Jan 12 16:08:33 but i am not sure if its readable for the phone..i tried it with om before it worked once, but next time it didnt Jan 12 16:09:25 now a pin request came, but it says that my pin is wrong Jan 12 16:13:39 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc2873b99d403 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Jan 12 16:13:39 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Add an error property. Jan 12 16:13:39 freesmartphone.org: The goal is that SMS parsing will not result in any Exceptions, but Jan 12 16:13:39 freesmartphone.org: instead the error property will indicate if parsing a short message Jan 12 16:13:39 freesmartphone.org: failed for some reason. Jan 12 16:13:44 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r29306c804c8b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Jan 12 16:13:47 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [SMS] Don't fail when service center timestamps are invalid Jan 12 16:13:49 freesmartphone.org: If parsing the scts field fails the date is substituted for a dummy Jan 12 16:13:51 freesmartphone.org: value and the error property is marked accordingly. Jan 12 16:14:24 can i start the pin request manually? Jan 12 16:15:32 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r3c27e5411081 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Add a test case for invalid Service Center timestamp parsing Jan 12 16:20:37 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re650884184bb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: Jan 12 16:20:37 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Safeguard if modem replies to +CGM{L,R} with unsolicited messages Jan 12 16:20:37 freesmartphone.org: This will prevent Tracebacks like in Jan 12 16:20:37 freesmartphone.org: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/314, but the underlying actual Jan 12 16:20:37 freesmartphone.org: problem should still be fixed. Jan 12 16:21:55 terve Jan 12 16:22:32 what is SHR and fso? Jan 12 16:22:52 images, distributions for the freerunner Jan 12 16:23:05 where can i find out more? Jan 12 16:23:34 wiki.openmoko.org Jan 12 16:23:53 k Jan 12 16:25:01 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2c47aa00f530 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Make RegisterWithProvider charset aware Jan 12 16:29:26 Tanuva :o Jan 12 16:33:59 Is there any updated documentation about the Keyboard being used by OmImage 2008.12? Jan 12 16:35:19 what do i need to do to get ssh connection to my freerunner with shr? worked well with om, but now shr gets no connection Jan 12 17:18:16 hello, i have a problem. i use moko makefile an i have compiled "make image". also i use bitbake but when i try "bitbake fso-image" then "ERROR: Unable to open config/bitbake.conf" but i have the config file. Jan 12 17:19:02 Ok, having made slight progress: Where can I get edje_cc for OmImage2008.12? Jan 12 17:24:49 apt: punch Dave Jan 12 17:24:50 * apt lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches Dave right on the nose Jan 12 17:44:22 hello, I can't ssh to 2008.12 even if I can ping it...is it normal? Jan 12 17:47:45 boot a second time and flash the right kernel :) Jan 12 17:49:17 rob79, the kernel is the one for gta02 Jan 12 17:49:24 but i'll boot a second time Jan 12 17:56:56 Hey, does anyone know of a good GUI text file reader? Jan 12 17:57:13 One that's easy and finger-friendly for browsing the FS for files? Jan 12 17:58:10 rob79, i'll try with my desktop computer Jan 12 18:02:13 rob79, seems that 192.168.0.202 is my computer but I did a ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 and ifconfig doesn't give any anormal thing Jan 12 18:04:48 any route ? Jan 12 18:04:52 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 Jan 12 18:30:22 pxa chip kicks samsungs ass Jan 12 18:34:31 that 0111 simage didnt boot Jan 12 18:34:39 shr Jan 12 18:37:49 hello,while installing debian under 2008.12 I have: waiting for partitions to appear,E: partitioning has failled, partitions have not been created Jan 12 18:37:58 but the SD-card worked fine before Jan 12 18:38:12 I even installed debian on it when I didn't have QI Jan 12 18:38:30 Gnutoo: can check why it fails? Jan 12 18:38:47 what could be the cause? Jan 12 18:38:53 should I do dmesg? Jan 12 18:39:03 Gnutoo: check what the script does Jan 12 18:39:25 ok Jan 12 18:39:29 thanks a lot Jan 12 18:40:03 echo " * Waiting for partitions to appear" Jan 12 18:40:04 SLEEP_SECONDS=3 Jan 12 18:40:34 Gnutoo: does fdisk show the partitions? Jan 12 18:41:25 perhaps first unmounting the SD-Card (before starting install) Jan 12 18:41:38 it doesn't Jan 12 18:42:00 Gnutoo: run fdisk manually then Jan 12 18:42:15 Gnutoo: with the same input as the install.sh uses Jan 12 18:42:30 ok thanks a lot Jan 12 18:43:18 i've the partitions in /proc/partitions Jan 12 18:43:29 so I try to install a real fdisk Jan 12 18:46:11 Gnutoo: real fdisk? Jan 12 18:46:26 not busybox's Jan 12 18:46:37 Gnutoo: busybox fdisk should be enough? Jan 12 18:46:51 yes but it doesn't work Jan 12 18:46:57 Gnutoo: then it should be fixed :) Jan 12 18:47:13 Gnutoo: how does it fail? Jan 12 18:47:19 i've got a fdisk that works now Jan 12 18:47:27 util-linux-fdisk Jan 12 18:47:36 it doesn't print anything Jan 12 18:49:53 now it says that the kernel still uses the old table...mabe I should flash 2008.9 or 2008.8 for installing debian Jan 12 18:50:59 Gnutoo: huh? Jan 12 18:51:05 Gnutoo: is anything using the SD card? Jan 12 18:51:13 umount /media Jan 12 18:51:20 blabla Jan 12 18:51:32 I don't think so I /etc/init.d/xserver-no-dm stop Jan 12 18:51:51 ah I understand Jan 12 18:51:56 Gnutoo: try to reboot the fr Jan 12 18:51:59 ok Jan 12 18:52:03 Gnutoo: lsof Jan 12 18:52:06 yes Jan 12 18:52:15 because it's mounted on /media/card Jan 12 18:52:21 so mabe something is accessing it Jan 12 18:52:49 Gnutoo: this is why the install script failed ;-) Jan 12 18:53:20 * johnsu01 looks for the source code for the simple aux button screen lock Jan 12 18:53:27 yea i havent installed debian because of this Jan 12 18:53:49 nearly each distribution (not debian) mounts the sd card to /media/card ... Jan 12 18:55:10 so first unmount /media/card, then run fdisk or install. Jan 12 18:55:16 Gnutoo: you tried to change the partition layout while having one partition mounted?! Jan 12 18:55:28 I unmounted first Jan 12 18:56:45 i'll retry after eating Jan 12 18:56:55 good luck :-) Jan 12 18:59:55 brian__: now I know why the image I compiled is so big Jan 12 19:00:31 all packages where included by default Jan 12 19:01:05 Has someone success with compiling valide on the fr? I get error: cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mms-bitfields" Jan 12 19:03:37 (when doing cc: _build_/default/test/test.c -> _build_/default/test/test_1.o) Jan 12 19:04:50 hmm mms on arm ? Jan 12 19:05:02 and I don't know, whether I can remove this option. Jan 12 19:06:13 rob79: I will give it a try without this option ... Jan 12 19:06:36 bernt: if the code does not contain asm inlines, it should be safe to remove mms flag from the compiler options Jan 12 19:06:51 well Jan 12 19:06:57 it is safe anyway Jan 12 19:08:03 quatrox: and it is in a test dir ... therefor not the real program. Jan 12 19:09:22 mms is only a flag to hint the compiler that it should optimize for mms capable cpu's Jan 12 19:14:02 now I get: default/libvalide/libvalide-0.0.so: undefined reference to `gtk_recent_data_destroy' Jan 12 19:16:09 I which library could this function be? Jan 12 19:17:31 gtk Jan 12 19:17:37 ^^ Jan 12 19:18:52 I tried to search with google but nothing found. hm ... Jan 12 19:19:18 and i searched only for the function name ... Jan 12 19:22:18 same on my pc: not in /usr/include/* ... */*/*/*/* ... Jan 12 19:24:18 lindi-, hi again...strangely while [ 1];do;lsof | grep mmcblk0 >> mmc.log;done gave me only fdisk accessing the partition Jan 12 19:27:32 Gnutoo: what is the problem? Jan 12 19:28:05 quatrox, my micro-sd card is mounted automatically even when qpe is not present and X service is down Jan 12 19:29:58 I killes nearly all process... Jan 12 19:30:34 but partitions do not apear anymore...but it passes the previous test Jan 12 19:30:53 Gnutoo: what mounts it? Jan 12 19:31:27 lindi-, don't know...lsof didn't return something interresting Jan 12 19:32:00 Gnutoo: cat /etc/fstab Jan 12 19:32:33 thanks a lot!!! Jan 12 19:33:00 great idea!!! Jan 12 19:33:30 I assumed that was the first thing you checked:) Jan 12 19:35:18 now it says the kernel still uses the old table Jan 12 19:35:54 quatrox, sorry i'm a little bit exausted... Jan 12 19:37:25 hi, is there any dhcp tool for the freerunner in opkg repo? Jan 12 19:37:40 root_at, which distro? Jan 12 19:37:46 sht Jan 12 19:37:49 shr* Jan 12 19:37:54 root_at,mabe you already have udhcpc Jan 12 19:39:14 yes, thanks Jan 12 19:39:32 but its just sending discovers...looks bad : ( Jan 12 19:42:21 hi there, is it any appointments application for shr? pls Jan 12 19:42:37 mmm...was udev Jan 12 19:43:05 it called a mount.sh script Jan 12 19:47:24 y cant i install something with "opkg install *" vor example midori Jan 12 19:47:41 ping www.openmoko.org works ? Jan 12 19:47:51 i can ping google, and dhcp worked and this typical wlan symbol is here Jan 12 19:48:27 error msg ? Jan 12 19:49:08 return value is -49936 // other ping works too Jan 12 19:50:20 root_at: does opkg update work? Jan 12 19:50:54 there is update and upgrade..i see, just tried upgrade, thought it would work then, now update Jan 12 19:51:20 and midori is in opkg list ? Jan 12 19:51:38 here he goes on with some links and "package list updatet" and i also read "signature check failed" or something like that Jan 12 19:52:25 nice, he begun with a download after opkg install midori..thanks Jan 12 19:53:22 faltantornillos, try "fido" :) Jan 12 19:54:00 ook, thanks ;) Jan 12 19:56:05 When is GTA03 going out for sale? Jan 12 19:56:48 hi pROFIL Jan 12 19:57:05 I'll install another distro Jan 12 19:57:32 pROFIL: at least 6 months. Jan 12 19:57:38 pROFIL: a year wouldn't surprise. Jan 12 19:57:55 (IMO, I am not an official representative of the cabal.) Jan 12 19:58:04 SpeedEvil: Okay, the neo freerunner is GTA 02 huh? Jan 12 19:58:47 yes Jan 12 19:59:18 alright :) Jan 12 19:59:55 I'm thinking about to get a freerunner, but should I wait for the GTA 03 or buy the GTA 02 right now? Jan 12 20:00:11 hmm software is the same ^^ Jan 12 20:00:28 Sharwin_F, sorry but I meant something that supports iCalendar, otherwise I'll have to manually introduce all my appointments on it Jan 12 20:01:25 should there stand anywhere how far he is with the download? Jan 12 20:01:25 faltantornillos, then no idea :P Jan 12 20:01:25 faltantornillos, but if you find something, tell me haha Jan 12 20:01:25 rob79: Yes and the software can be changed, but the hardware can't. Jan 12 20:01:25 in opkg Jan 12 20:01:36 pROFIL: you've not heard of ebay then? :) Jan 12 20:03:05 the gta02 hardware is ok Jan 12 20:03:06 SpeedEvil: Haha, but I mean, that if I buy it now, I can change the software as it comes new updates and so on. But if the hardware changes I can't change it as easy. Not so fun to buy a new one so close, I'm a student and not made by money xD Jan 12 20:03:28 Sure you are! Jan 12 20:03:35 anyone know any ETA on gta03? Jan 12 20:03:50 * SpeedEvil points pROFIL to a place to sell vacuum dried corpse slice futures. Jan 12 20:03:52 'sigh' Jan 12 20:04:20 I copied Norweigian.kbd to Default.kbd in Om2008.12, and change the default enlightenment from asu to illume , and illume crashes all the time. What am I doing wrong? Jan 12 20:05:11 frankS2: there isn't any hard news. There hasn't even been a release of final hardware specs AIUI. Jan 12 20:05:30 ok Jan 12 20:05:33 what about software? Jan 12 20:05:39 SpeedEvil: I think it's kinda expensive if I compare with my new computer. And in that way, my computer is really a computer but freerunner is "only" a smartphone. Jan 12 20:07:03 So bad that the dollar/euro have so high value now, I want it to go down a little bit and then I buy the freerunner :D Jan 12 20:07:03 pROFILE: freerunner is a MID Jan 12 20:07:19 ps ax Jan 12 20:07:29 quatrox|away: no it's not Jan 12 20:07:59 quatrox|away: it'd be a MID if the software stack worked properly. Jan 12 20:08:27 SpeedEvil: ok. Then hurry up;) Jan 12 20:11:17 I really, really like the freerunner :D I want one right now! Jan 12 20:12:24 MID? Jan 12 20:12:55 Mobile Internet Device Jan 12 20:13:03 ahh thanks Jan 12 20:13:24 it is between smart phone and laptop Jan 12 20:14:50 just bought an eee pc...like that? Jan 12 20:16:56 pROFIL: undrwater2: eee pc is somewhere between a laptop and a mid Jan 12 20:17:05 depends who you ask Jan 12 20:17:23 UMPC Jan 12 20:17:32 but intel call it MID Jan 12 20:17:50 UM = Ultra Mobile Jan 12 20:18:17 well Jan 12 20:18:24 I am not sure about the terms Jan 12 20:18:49 Yeah, but I would prefer freerunner over a eee pc :) Jan 12 20:19:11 pROFIL: I use my fr now Jan 12 20:19:15 with pidgin Jan 12 20:19:22 and BT keyboard Jan 12 20:19:27 :) Jan 12 20:19:30 and GPRS Jan 12 20:20:05 NICE :D Jan 12 20:20:16 GPRS so not wifi? Jan 12 20:20:26 I am not home Jan 12 20:20:44 If I was home, I would use my computer Jan 12 20:20:50 quatrox: which image? Jan 12 20:21:06 SHR Jan 12 20:21:34 works on shr-unstable!!! Jan 12 20:21:48 nano /etc/fstab -> comment the mmc line Jan 12 20:21:57 killall udevd Jan 12 20:22:47 If I buy a FR i will stop using my computer :D Jan 12 20:22:47 nano /etc/udev/mount.blacklist -> add /dev/mmcblk0* Jan 12 20:22:56 udev --debug Jan 12 20:23:07 umount if necessary Jan 12 20:23:11 and then it worked Jan 12 20:23:12 !!! Jan 12 20:23:18 thanks a lot Jan 12 20:27:50 pROFIL, don't know if it's a mid...does it run openoffice and firefox(was unusable last time I tried because of the certificates...) Jan 12 20:28:40 last time I tried openoffice in the freerunner It had some illegal instruction because it was compiled for a target > armv4t...because that was hardcoded in its build system Jan 12 20:28:51 is there any other browser for shr? midori breaks down with a segmantation fault o.O Jan 12 20:29:11 but now the bugreport has been closed Jan 12 20:29:18 Gnutoo: okay :) Jan 12 20:29:20 so it may have been pushed into debian Jan 12 20:29:29 but I wonder how usable it is Jan 12 20:29:56 although I ran abiword without problems...you just have to rotate the screen Jan 12 20:30:02 root_at, dillo Jan 12 20:30:19 root_at, I must look at why it segfault when I'll have time Jan 12 20:30:45 root_at, I tried to cross-compile the lastest midori but it failled...didn't have time to look further Jan 12 20:30:53 its because of an icon Jan 12 20:32:01 better say, the segfault comes after a fail to load an icon...every time i call up any site Jan 12 20:34:53 root_at, ah ok the favicon Jan 12 20:35:02 or something like that Jan 12 20:40:09 i am not sure about that...i dont think it was the favicon..should i try it? Jan 12 20:41:52 mh, why does otimed not correct my system time on acquiring gprs ppp connection or gps fix? Jan 12 20:42:51 try agpsui Jan 12 20:44:03 what for? Jan 12 20:44:26 gps time sync Jan 12 20:45:09 gps works and has correct gpstime Jan 12 20:45:22 dillo seems to work much better :D thanks. the last error of midori before segfault ist because of the icon process working @ Gnutoo Jan 12 20:45:42 i see it in the logs Jan 12 20:45:48 dillo is fast Jan 12 20:46:13 root_at, ah ok...dillo doesn't have javascript but has a killer feature...it format the page to fit to the screen Jan 12 20:46:15 but how can i add him to the home menu? he didnt do it by himself Jan 12 20:46:33 its better than nothing for the moment Jan 12 20:46:33 dillo seems not to speak css Jan 12 20:47:02 you must edit the desktop file Jan 12 20:47:40 vi ~/.e/etk/app..... Jan 12 20:48:08 the type of application is wrong Jan 12 20:48:29 hi! i know that openmoko has put away mp3 support from the images... but isn't there a way to get it working easily or do i have to compile the gst-fluendo-mp3 by myself? Jan 12 20:48:52 Wonka: I can send you the file when i am home Jan 12 20:49:55 ~/.e/etk/ is empty : O Jan 12 20:49:56 okay, root_at Jan 12 20:49:56 i have modified dillo's .desktop myself, don't need it Jan 12 20:50:48 buffoon, just don't use an official image from openmoko Jan 12 20:51:00 buffoon, for instance in shr mplayer has mad support Jan 12 20:51:04 but thanks for the offer Jan 12 20:51:30 better launch dillo from console and install the real wget Jan 12 20:51:36 np Jan 12 20:51:42 so you can dowload files and monitor the progress in the console Jan 12 20:52:01 Gnutoo: well, I like to use om testing Jan 12 20:52:40 buffoon, compiling kopete:4.1 for my desktop computer right now so I can't compile you the package sorry Jan 12 20:53:17 and i prefer ogg... i just would like to test some mp3 files on the sd of my dad because he has problems on his cellphone and i'm missing a cardreader... reflashing just for this case is a little bit too much work Jan 12 20:53:26 how do u mean install the real wget Gnutoo ? what kind of wget is default for the freerunner? Jan 12 20:53:43 Gnutoo: thx anyway... i guess i'll give a try by myself compiling it Jan 12 20:53:44 root_at, busybox's wget is the default Jan 12 20:53:55 root_at: the wget applet in busybox Jan 12 20:54:14 damn gprs lag Jan 12 20:54:15 goddamn patents... Jan 12 20:54:29 ahh ok..i might take a loot at this later Jan 12 20:54:44 by the way even with wget and running it from console it can't download "unrecognized file format" such as ipk...is there a trick to overcome this limitation? editing dillorc? Jan 12 20:55:31 buffoon, do you know you can use the mokomakefile or oe to compile it? Jan 12 20:56:28 Gnutoo: yes, but i never compiled something for om... I'll read into that... np Jan 12 20:57:38 sooner or later i guess i have to... i just hadn't that much time/motivation until now... Jan 12 20:59:01 where should this desktop file be? if not at ~/.e/etk? Jan 12 21:06:31 root_at: ~/.e/e/appshadow/ contains autogenerated symlinks Jan 12 21:07:42 root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls .local/share/applications/ Jan 12 21:07:42 battery.desktop dillo.desktop openmoko-agpsui.desktop player.desktop Jan 12 21:08:01 that is the place for userdefined .desktop files Jan 12 21:08:39 does anybody else having problems with wlan+wpa+shrimage? Jan 12 21:10:03 * quatrox got his new bootable membership card:) Jan 12 21:13:09 cant try it now...will search for it again tomorrow. need to study now, cu Jan 12 21:13:23 thanks at all who helped me : ) Jan 12 21:52:17 anyone using BT keyboard? Jan 12 21:54:16 to connect it, I must first make sure /etc/init.d/bluetooth is running, then enable BT via FSO settings, then stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth, start the hidd server and finally connect with hidd Jan 12 21:54:23 kind of overkill Jan 12 22:02:21 DocScrutinizer2: I've read the whole thread about softvol. Thanks for the interesting info. Alsa configs look easy when done by someone else :) Jan 12 22:03:32 DocScrutinizer2: btw, could tantalum SMT caps be used for the bass fix? I know that electrolitic caps are often used to separate DC, so tantalum should be ok, shouldn't it? Jan 12 22:05:02 PaulFertser: it doesn't matter which kind of cap you use Jan 12 22:05:51 it only matters for high frequencies Jan 12 22:06:41 (50MHz and above) Jan 12 22:08:19 quatrox: I have the same impression, but Doc said yesterday to someone that he sends him caps good for buzz rework but not suitable for bass fix. Therefore i ask for details ;) BTW, do you by any chance, what's the smallest reasonable size i can get 100uF (is 50uF any smaller and is it enough?) in? Jan 12 22:09:41 no.. they are the same size Jan 12 22:09:49 4 mm x 2 mm Jan 12 22:10:15 ohh Jan 12 22:10:16 sorry Jan 12 22:10:18 the cap Jan 12 22:11:11 if you cut down to 50uF, you will change the low pass filter Jan 12 22:12:10 And what's 4x2mm? Jan 12 22:12:27 sorry... I am sleepy... never mind Jan 12 22:12:37 the resistor is 4x2 Jan 12 22:12:47 the cap is much larger Jan 12 22:12:59 No, 0402 is 1x0.5 mm or smth like that. Jan 12 22:14:51 ahh.. Jan 12 22:14:52 true Jan 12 22:16:04 besides, 4mm is extremely large, so my normal logic can not work today Jan 12 22:17:55 btw, if you want to use a smaller cap, you must change the value of the resistor Jan 12 22:20:01 quatrox: I think Doc made some computations and came to conclusion that changing the caps to 100uF without changing resistors is ok. This filter was never correct anyway. I might be wrong though. Jan 12 22:20:52 on some GTA02v5 and all GTA06 the resistor is a 0R Jan 12 22:21:10 on other devices it is 2k2 Jan 12 22:21:32 quatrox: if you're talking about the buzz fix, then yes. If you're talking about the bass cut frequency for the headphones fix, then no. Go get some sleep ;) Jan 12 22:22:16 opps... was reading about the buzz fix now, so maybe that's why I mixed Jan 12 22:23:24 then the type of cap might have something to say Jan 12 22:29:00 am I missing something? openmoko-agpsui picks up the gps signals just fine, but I'm not getting anything from tangogps Jan 12 22:32:48 badcloud: when a client needs GPS, it requests it through dbus. Then the GPS is turned on. When there is no use for the GPS anymore, it will stop in order to save power Jan 12 22:33:32 maybe tangogps does not use the framework to request the gps? Jan 12 22:33:47 not sure Jan 12 22:34:00 I only have fso-gpsd installed Jan 12 22:34:04 or at least running Jan 12 22:34:24 hmm Jan 12 22:34:26 fso-gpsd does use the dbus interface and fso-gpsd does request GPS as soon as a client connects to it Jan 12 22:34:27 strange Jan 12 22:34:38 yes Jan 12 22:34:48 returning to my otimed problem from hours ago... Jan 12 22:34:51 I ran 'fso-gpsd start' Jan 12 22:34:59 fired up tangogps, nothing Jan 12 22:35:02 haven't had time to look further into it for myself yet Jan 12 22:35:19 but openmoko-agpsui works fine (power on, etc) Jan 12 22:35:30 yes Jan 12 22:36:44 is this related to the "The GPS has a lock but tangogps don't know" issue? Jan 12 22:36:53 could be, yes Jan 12 22:37:06 I read something about that in the mailing list last week Jan 12 22:37:12 ah Jan 12 22:37:29 i am running current SHR unstable, my freerunner's clock is 30mins late, my freerunner has acquired several gps 3d fixes in between, my freerunner has gone online with ppp over gprs several times, my freerunner has had internet connection via USB several times - why doesn't otimed correct the clock via GPS or NTP? Jan 12 22:38:02 not sure Jan 12 22:38:46 otimed should use ntp (same as rdate) Jan 12 22:39:21 I guess otimed tried the gps all the time since the gps was on Jan 12 22:39:31 in stead of just using ntp Jan 12 22:40:21 GPS time was 30mins away from clock time Jan 12 22:40:31 not 60mins as would be normal Jan 12 22:41:17 root@om-gta02 ~ $ date; rdate -s ntp.uio.no; hwclock --systohc; date Jan 12 22:41:17 Mon Jan 12 23:39:00 CET 2009 Jan 12 22:41:17 rdate: bad address 'ntp.uio.no' Jan 12 22:41:17 Mon Jan 12 23:39:01 CET 2009 Jan 12 22:41:32 my time only drifted 1 sec in 5 days:) Jan 12 22:41:37 weeee Jan 12 22:41:50 Wonka, is it in the correct timezone? Jan 12 22:42:06 ls -l /etc/localtime Jan 12 22:42:18 quatrox|sleep, er, the time increased one second while you ran that command string Jan 12 22:42:26 rdate: bad address 'ntp.uio.no' <- important :) Jan 12 22:42:55 Kamping_Kaiser: maybe Jan 12 22:43:32 how are the other gps apps available? Jan 12 22:44:56 Kamping_Kaiser: yes: /etc/localtime -> ../usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin Jan 12 22:44:59 other than tango, I mean Jan 12 22:46:12 badcloud, yes (including navit iirc). dont recall what they are called though Jan 12 22:46:50 oh. my question was *how* are some of the other apps? Jan 12 22:46:56 good, bad, etc Jan 12 22:48:17 badcloud: i have personally never bothered with anything but tango :) Jan 12 22:48:36 well, maybe it will be resolved in later releases Jan 12 22:48:59 gps isn't really a necessity for me now Jan 12 22:50:47 not sure how many people bought their gta01 or gta02 out of "necesesity", but i'm sure the number is low :) Jan 12 22:51:11 well, yeah Jan 12 22:51:22 but in my case, I meant gps, not the phone itselfc Jan 12 22:53:01 anyhoo, thanks for the 2 cents Jan 12 22:53:03 night all Jan 12 23:15:04 Rule 34: FR porn. Jan 12 23:40:26 PaulFertser: (tantalum C) basically: yes, can be used. read about iPhone fix for audio though (google: iphone "blackgate") for considerations about audio decoupling C and impact on audio quality Jan 12 23:47:34 PaulFertser: for smallest C-value: depends on your expectations. probably most people would be fine with 22uF even. lower cutof freq is easily calculated by size of C and (impedance_hs + series-R) Jan 12 23:50:24 PaulFertser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highpass Jan 12 23:50:47 PaulFertser: 1/2Pi R C Jan 12 23:55:17 PaulFertser: google imod blackgate Jan 13 00:07:13 Joerg :) Jan 13 00:16:54 PaulFertser: for 32R series + 32R-hs at 22uF I get a -3dB freq of ~120Hz Jan 13 01:36:22 wassa Jan 13 02:00:36 Is there something wrong with the ntpclient package? Jan 13 02:58:50 haha i keep borking my install haha **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009