**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 16 02:59:57 2009 Jan 16 04:44:08 should it generally take like 30 minutes to flash a freerunner... Jan 16 04:48:24 no, it probably shouldn't, but it does. Jan 16 05:30:17 my moko works better than ever Jan 16 06:49:31 good morning Jan 16 07:00:17 God morgen :) Jan 16 08:00:17 hi. got my neo freerunner in the mail today. ive installed qtopia but cant get it to connect to the internet on a wireless network. its connected to the network but says host not found when i try to open a website. anyone know how i might be able to get it working? Jan 16 08:04:21 need to hand edit /etc/resolv.conf Jan 16 08:08:07 should it already exist? right now the file doesnt exist Jan 16 08:09:35 found it. but its empty Jan 16 08:10:20 could i have it the same as the one on my desktop? Jan 16 08:12:08 I copied the file from my desktop, that works in my (home) network Jan 16 08:12:25 ok. i will try that. thanks Jan 16 08:15:15 good morning Jan 16 08:19:57 <|Marco|> 'mornin Hopscotch Jan 16 08:37:26 ive copied my /etc/resolv.conf file to the freerunner but now i cant connect to my wireless network at all. when i try it says pending and then goes back to offline Jan 16 08:48:14 hey all Jan 16 08:48:29 how do I move my /home dir to the sd card? Jan 16 08:48:41 hey Jan 16 09:41:23 ive copied my resolv.conf file to my neo freerunner running qtopia but i cant access the internet over wifi with the network connected. when i try to open a page it shows '10%' and then that dissapears with nothing happening Jan 16 09:41:36 how can i get my internet to work? Jan 16 10:10:37 help Jan 16 10:10:41 oops Jan 16 10:14:26 hi all, me again: dmesg "bad block table found at page 131008" doesn't sound too good, does it? Jan 16 10:14:42 although googling reveals a few instances of the very same message Jan 16 10:15:15 what's worse, it's followed by nan_read_bbt: bad block 0x02520000 Jan 16 10:15:21 and 2 othe bad blocks. Jan 16 10:15:31 is that a nand flash corruption? Jan 16 10:16:05 I have difficulties getting into nand u-boot (or booting regular) while booting through the NOR u-boot alwas works Jan 16 10:16:26 nand_read_bbt: bad block 0x02520000 Jan 16 10:18:25 spaetz: i guess those dmesg messages are ok Jan 16 10:18:41 spaetz: they just state the address where "bad block table" is stored. Jan 16 10:18:52 ok, thanks. I jsut bought the OpenMoko and was a bit concerned that I got a bad one. Jan 16 10:19:11 it's used but only a few weeks old. Jan 16 10:19:28 just reading up the NAND_bad_blocks page in the Moko wiki... Jan 16 10:19:34 spaetz: and it's ok to have several bad blocks on NAND. That's why BBT exists. Jan 16 10:20:10 spaetz: have you tried to flash NAND bootloader? Jan 16 10:20:27 yep, tried to reflash NAND. Jan 16 10:20:36 NAND u-boot Jan 16 10:21:08 And? Jan 16 10:22:13 no luck. I get the NOR u-boot menu both when I hold AUX when pressing POWER Jan 16 10:22:27 and also when I hold POWER and pressing AUX Jan 16 10:22:58 how do you tell? Jan 16 10:23:08 it vibrates shortly instead of showing the NAND menu, and I continue holding it until the NOW menu comes up Jan 16 10:23:19 henk: it says u-boot (NOR) in the menu title Jan 16 10:23:34 I got the NAND menu once or twice, so it is there Jan 16 10:23:42 but never managed to repeat it Jan 16 10:23:57 really weird Jan 16 10:24:26 the correct way is something like that: hold power, wait 1 sec, hold aux, wait until nand shows up. doesn't work? Jan 16 10:25:59 spaetz: just a few notes. As far as i can tell, BBT is implemented differently on GTA01 and GTA02. The wiki notes in general apply to both, but the details might differ. Jan 16 10:27:06 henk, that's exactly what I try and I get ***BOOT MENU (NOR) *** Jan 16 10:27:07 spaetz: moreover modern and supported bootloader Qi doesn't have environment and have a fixed "mtd partition table". Jan 16 10:27:25 Does Qi work with Om2008.12? Jan 16 10:27:36 In that case I might try that one Jan 16 10:27:38 spaetz: why do you press AUX at all? You shouldn't to get to the NAND. Jan 16 10:28:06 PaulFertser: Just pressing POWER doesn't do anything for me Jan 16 10:28:16 I can press it all day long and nothing happens Jan 16 10:28:32 So The NOR Boot menu seems the only way so far to actually start stuff Jan 16 10:28:38 spaetz: are you sure you've flashed the right bootloader to the right NAND partition? Jan 16 10:28:58 dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bi Jan 16 10:29:03 .bin Jan 16 10:29:17 Looks ok... Jan 16 10:29:25 this is how I flashed it taken from the "Flashing your Moko" wiki page Jan 16 10:29:34 Qi should work with any distro, i see no reason why it might not work. Jan 16 10:29:51 OK, I'll try that one Jan 16 10:29:58 thanks in any case Jan 16 10:30:02 But u-boot should boot from NAND as well. Pretty weird... And of course you don't have a debug board, have you? Jan 16 10:30:20 nope. Just the freerunner Jan 16 10:31:36 Qi doesn't give any visual feedback except AUX led and with 2.6.24 you won't see anything on the console until X starts, i guess. Jan 16 10:31:56 So you might be confused by it as well. Jan 16 10:32:24 Heh, it's time to at least fix the wiki to describe Qi UI not to repeat again and again the same things. Jan 16 10:32:50 heh, thanks for that tip. might save me some time Jan 16 10:33:46 spaetz: the first NAND page is guaranteed to be OK and Qi as well as u-boot support loading of the second stage honoring BBT. So, bad blocks in NAND shouldn't be a problem. Jan 16 10:35:03 spaetz: you could modify your uboot env to stop_in_menu (or something like that). then booting via powerbutton ONLY will give you the nand uboot. Jan 16 10:35:05 Qi is definetely more robust and predictable as it doesn't depend on environment. Jan 16 10:35:07 s/will/should/ Jan 16 10:35:07 henk meant: spaetz: you could modify your uboot env to stop_in_menu (or something like that). then booting via powerbutton ONLY should give you the nand uboot. Jan 16 10:36:06 but the environment makes u-boot a lot more customizable and easier to select the correct distro to boot if you have more than one or two... Jan 16 10:37:00 henk: nope, if u-boot is flashed to NAND, it should boot with PWR button. If you hold AUX while powering of the FR, you ask hardware to load from NOR. Simple powering on executes code from NAND. Jan 16 10:37:29 PaulFertser: that's what i'm saying. Jan 16 10:37:49 henk: you can select correct distro with Qi as well. And to customize boot parameters you can create /boot/append-GTA02 that is a hell lot easier to modify and inspect than u-boot env. Jan 16 10:38:24 henk: if u-boot is flashed, then "booting via powerbutton ONLY will give you the nand uboot" regardless of the stop_in_menu setting. Jan 16 10:38:35 PaulFertser: yes, but if you have 4 distros on sd and you want to boot the one in flash, it's definitely easier with the uboot-menu (at least imho) Jan 16 10:38:38 henk: that's how hardware works. Jan 16 10:39:01 PaulFertser: ok, i mean the nand uboot _menu_. Jan 16 10:39:25 mmh, Qi is nice Jan 16 10:39:32 worked like a charm Jan 16 10:40:33 henk: the correct solution to the "5 distro in one phone" problem would be to implement an appropriate initramfs with menu, not to port numerous drivers from Linux to u-boot and mess with broken environment every now and then and support users without an easy and transparent way to know everything that could affect bootloader. Jan 16 10:41:18 It sounds very reasonable to first try to load a distro from the SD card and then continue woth the internal one Jan 16 10:41:30 PaulFertser: in an ideal world ... ;) Jan 16 10:41:30 Switching distros can then always happen by switching cards Jan 16 10:41:33 spaetz: Great. If you can't read the code yourself and want to customize anything, ask me for the time being, and i'll add the details to the wiki later. Jan 16 10:41:50 thanks Jan 16 10:42:39 henk: using Qi takes us closer to an ideal world. Using unsupported and deprecated (on FR) u-boot takes us farther. Jan 16 10:42:48 anyone on Om2008.12 here? Poweroff doesn't work other than by issueing poweroff in a terminal, right? Jan 16 10:42:54 no button does that, it seems Jan 16 10:43:17 spaetz: most people here don't care about Om2008.x at all, i guess. Jan 16 10:43:44 Well, I want to get something stable on the internal NAND first, before I start experimenting with stuff on the SD card. Jan 16 10:44:13 spaetz: it has no future. OM's already abandoned it and i have not heard about any community effort to support it. Jan 16 10:44:29 PaulFertser: using qi doesn't take us anywhere without the developement of a mini-linux-bootloader... :-/ Jan 16 10:44:50 mmh, I had tried FSO, but upgrading to FSO-testing fucked up the environment due to dependency inconsistenies Jan 16 10:45:24 i guess i'd put shr on the flash and debian or hackable:1 on the card... Jan 16 10:46:04 henk: no, it does. The majority doesn't need to switch distributions all the time anyway. And the more people use Qi, the less problems for developers who don't wont to be bothered with unsupported and buggy (on FR) u-boot. Jan 16 10:46:11 haven't tried SHR yet. will certainly do at some point. For now I'm happy to actually try to make a phone call :) Jan 16 10:46:28 PaulFertser: ok, didn't consider that point of view :) Jan 16 10:46:31 henk: choosing between 2 distributions with Qi is fairly easy, so that's not a problem. Jan 16 10:46:58 PaulFertser: 2 distributions - not really a problem. it get's annoying when you have more i guess... Jan 16 10:47:21 If you can't count to 4, then, probably, yes :p Jan 16 10:48:39 Qi supports transparent for the user choice between 4 boot possibilities. When it start loading from a boot possibility, it turns on the red LED. When you press AUX, it skips this boot possibility and vibrates. I guess it's enough feedback to be able to choose the right one. Jan 16 10:50:43 henk: btw, GTA03 won't boot from internal NAND at all and only Qi will be available as bootloader. AFAIK. Jan 16 10:50:47 PaulFertser: hm perhaps... if i have the choice, i'll prefer the menu... Jan 16 10:52:05 PaulFertser: that's ok, i'm in favor of qi, don't get me wrong there. i'm just saying u-boot is more comfortable IMHO(!) with it's menu. qi is definitely the cleaner and 'better' software, but not very comfortable to use without a linux-boot-menu. Jan 16 10:52:45 henk: i can't understand that: why so many people want to have a menu and yet nobody has ported any initramfs-based solution yet? They already exist, for some Angstrom-supported devices, for Zaurus, etc. Just port it or write from scratch. Do some good for community, it will be needed anyway for GTA03 ;) Jan 16 10:54:51 PaulFertser: true. and i will as soon as i have finished my apprenticeship, moved to the bodensee, found a new job, found a new apartment, and so on... and that will be in about two months... :-/ Jan 16 10:55:09 henk: you see, u-boot presence harms. If it weren't for u-boot, a decent menu would have already existed. ;) Jan 16 10:55:35 then take the uboot images away ;) Jan 16 10:55:58 henk: Good luck to you with all that! Sounds not so easy :-/ Jan 16 10:56:37 each of those: not too difficult. it's just the combination and the timeframe... Jan 16 10:56:41 PaulFertser: but thanks :) Jan 16 10:57:05 gotta go now... we have to paint (?) this apartment today and tomorrow... Jan 16 10:57:18 PaulFertser: thanks for the conversation, was interesting :) Jan 16 10:57:30 henk: Thanks for you interest :) and good luck! Jan 16 10:57:44 thanks! need it 'g' Jan 16 10:59:44 henk: Bodensee? Where that? Jan 16 11:08:32 konstanz, south Germany. Jan 16 11:12:24 KenSentMe: Whats da passwoid? Jan 16 11:13:20 PaulFertser, hehe Jan 16 11:14:58 Sierra games were full of sly messages within the text-based games, and the greatest downfall of the company's movement to the interactive movie format was the loss of this element of humor. Jan 16 11:16:17 Yeah, they should have kept people like Al Lowe Jan 16 11:17:40 Cool, Konstanz isn't that far from Zurich where I live :-) Jan 16 11:35:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rca1afd2371c9 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py: odeviced: add missing variable in constructor Jan 16 11:35:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r0be860bbc94f 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogpsd: don't try to shutdown a channel that doesn't exist Jan 16 11:35:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r83c2b0a9d260 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: opgsd: fix bogus indention Jan 16 11:36:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r30d25a78695b 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/gpsdevice.py: ogspd: another bogus indent Jan 16 11:57:38 mmh SHR looks nice. Jan 16 11:58:04 no idea how to start GPS for tangogps yet, but this actually is somewhat polished and usable Jan 16 11:58:15 together with Qi, best so far Jan 16 12:01:34 spaetz: just run fso_gpsd& Jan 16 12:02:26 s/fso_gpsd&/fso-gpsd& Jan 16 12:17:02 spaetz the /etc/init.d/fso-gpsd script has a bug, google it and you will find the upgrade, the bug is only there if you upgrade not if you uninstall/reinstall fso-gpsd Jan 16 12:21:41 dns, thanks for the hint. found http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/ticket/233 Jan 16 12:21:47 which fixes it Jan 16 12:22:51 yeah it's a strange bug, only there when you upgrade Jan 16 12:30:03 someone played liquid war? Jan 16 12:30:15 how do i control the cursor? Jan 16 12:32:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Yaouh! a new software for openmoko Jan 16 12:41:05 you wrote it? Jan 16 12:42:11 it looks good but is there a way to update only one source of maps? does it do all of them? Jan 16 12:52:26 dns: Yaouh looks very unpolite, it will generate a lot of traffic for OSM Jan 16 12:53:45 i have a shell script that tries to be as polite as possible so it may not be that useful for me Jan 16 13:02:43 if Yaouh would only check files that are older than a couple of day/weeks rather than universally comparing md5s it would be nice Jan 16 13:06:45 it downloads everything? Jan 16 13:13:41 seems like it comparres md5 sums of all tiles with those on the server and saves if different Jan 16 13:14:09 to me that seems like one HTTP call per local tile Jan 16 13:14:14 but I haven't checked Jan 16 13:52:38 dns: sent the author of Yaouh! email Jan 16 14:07:22 does FSO have any dedicated IRC channel? Jan 16 14:07:36 dagger|work: openembedded ? Jan 16 14:08:04 they hang out in #openmoko-cdevel Jan 16 14:08:10 Tm_T: well openembedded is very general channel Jan 16 14:08:19 no official channel as far as i know Jan 16 14:09:04 ok thanks Jan 16 14:58:58 Any Dutch users that can advise about Telfort subscription with GPRS in the Netherslands for a FreeRunner? Jan 16 15:02:32 spaetz: zuerich is the next step ;) or switzerland in general. would be too much for now... Jan 16 15:03:00 spaetz: my GFs family lives in the bodensee area, friedrichshafen, lindau, ... Jan 16 15:44:56 Anyone here got DNS over USB working? Jan 16 15:45:43 yup Jan 16 15:46:13 works Jan 16 15:47:10 if u havent rebooted since u installed u need aa reboot Jan 16 15:47:32 have u shr? Jan 16 15:48:21 I have set up router -> laptop -> freerunner. laptop has a nameserver on the router and routers has nameserver on internet. what do I add to /etc/network/interaface for nameserver? Jan 16 15:48:27 lindi u use qtX? Jan 16 15:48:35 I have testing installed with illume running Jan 16 15:48:59 testing = om2008.12 + some fixes Jan 16 15:49:03 testing what? Jan 16 15:49:33 I had the same issues with the om2008.12 and om2008.11 Jan 16 15:49:38 do u have any ips in /etc/resolv.xconf? Jan 16 15:49:53 http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/testing/openmoko-testing-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jan 16 15:50:26 brian__: debian Jan 16 15:50:40 on laptop: more resolv.conf Jan 16 15:50:42 domain lan Jan 16 15:50:44 search lan Jan 16 15:50:46 nameserver 192.168.1.1 Jan 16 15:50:51 this is working Jan 16 15:51:06 on freerunnen (not working): nameserver 192.168.1.1 Jan 16 15:51:18 perhaps I need to add the domain and search lines? Jan 16 15:51:43 well unless im incorrect u need a public ip in /etc/resolv.conf Jan 16 15:52:10 maybe you need correct route setting Jan 16 15:52:46 brian__: duh, no! Jan 16 15:52:52 lindi i had debian installed on sd when it first came to moko buy havent got it to install since an i really liked debian Jan 16 15:52:56 for my laptop it is ok, rotuer tells me this; Primary DNS Server: 62.58.50.5 Jan 16 15:52:58 Secondary DNS Server: 62.58.50.6 Jan 16 15:53:16 local dsl-router for dns is quite common Jan 16 15:53:22 oo Jan 16 15:53:33 the freerunner script takes the 192.168.1.1 when setting up the forwarding Jan 16 15:53:38 * rooly fixed his dns problem long ago Jan 16 15:54:02 Pander: yup, and your laptop uses 192.168.1.1 router for DNS Jan 16 15:54:09 please explain doc:) Jan 16 15:54:09 just throw a script in your init.d that echos opendns into resolv.conf Jan 16 15:54:56 not in /etc/network/interfaces script? Jan 16 15:55:12 brian__: resolv.conf will happily use any valid dns ip. it's agnostic of public/local Jan 16 15:55:22 sorry, please refer to laptop and freerunner when talking about paths Jan 16 15:55:37 echo "echo \"nameserver 208.67.222.222\" >> /etc/resolv.conf" >> /etc/init.d/dns.sh && echo "echo \"nameserver 208.67.220.220\" >> /etc/resolv.conf" >> /etc/init.d/dns.sh && chmod +x /etc/init.d/dns.sh Jan 16 15:56:06 run that command, and you'll never have trouble with dns again Jan 16 15:56:20 Pander: cryptic ;), but looks good Jan 16 15:56:41 I can read to code, no worreis about that. i'll have a go at it. no reboot? Jan 16 15:57:01 for mine? Jan 16 15:57:26 uh, sorry: &rooly Jan 16 15:57:29 should the first redirect be > in stead of >> ? Jan 16 15:57:45 resolv.conf is empty at system boot Jan 16 15:58:04 in fact, resolv.conf stays empty until you put something in it Jan 16 15:58:08 and what about the echo nameserver from /etc/network/interfaces? remove those? Jan 16 15:58:25 have you manually put those in? Jan 16 15:58:59 rooly: anyway I'd prefer two mv Jan 16 15:59:03 Pander: you shouldn't need to Jan 16 15:59:24 to swap content of resolv.conf Jan 16 16:00:54 DocScruntinizer2: thats fine, all i'm giving is a quick hack Jan 16 16:01:04 that won't cause trouble Jan 16 16:01:16 still no luck ;( Jan 16 16:01:31 Pander: anyway, as local router for dns works for your laptop, your problem seems to be correct route setting, not content of resolv.conf Jan 16 16:01:56 on FR Jan 16 16:02:15 try ping 192.168.1.1 Jan 16 16:02:59 I'll have a go Jan 16 16:03:00 check output of 'roue' and 'ifconfig' Jan 16 16:03:08 route* Jan 16 16:03:20 *route Jan 16 16:04:16 route Jan 16 16:04:18 Kernel IP routing table Jan 16 16:04:20 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Jan 16 16:04:21 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jan 16 16:04:53 ping 192.168.1.1 Jan 16 16:04:55 PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes Jan 16 16:04:57 --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- Jan 16 16:04:59 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Jan 16 16:05:40 your subnet is .0.0, not 1.0 on route Jan 16 16:06:46 Pander: i.e. route must report 192.168.1.0 for gateway ip Jan 16 16:07:17 i remember there being an issue with route on 2008.8 Jan 16 16:07:27 iface usb0 inet static Jan 16 16:07:28 *if* that's the ip of ur router Jan 16 16:07:29 address 192.168.0.202 Jan 16 16:07:31 netmask 255.255.255.0 Jan 16 16:07:32 network 192.168.0.0 Jan 16 16:07:33 gateway 192.168.0.200 Jan 16 16:08:04 Where can I find mplayer too FR ? Jan 16 16:08:18 is there a repo for that ? Jan 16 16:08:30 possibly from angstrom Jan 16 16:08:37 change netmask to 255.255.0.0 Jan 16 16:08:44 rooly: ty Jan 16 16:08:48 but be careful about adding the angstrom repo Jan 16 16:08:56 because using it can really really mess up the fr Jan 16 16:09:28 yup i borkes shr-russia 2 times Jan 16 16:09:56 with installing mplayer from angstorm Jan 16 16:11:21 usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 96:63:F9:D0:77:91 Jan 16 16:11:23 inet addr:192.168.0.202 Bcast:192.168.255.255 Mask:255.255.0.0 Jan 16 16:12:35 Pander: for route too! Jan 16 16:13:01 where do I do that? Jan 16 16:13:32 route Jan 16 16:13:33 dunno where your route is setup Jan 16 16:13:34 Kernel IP routing table Jan 16 16:13:35 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Jan 16 16:13:36 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jan 16 16:13:44 this is what route tells me after netwrosk restart Jan 16 16:14:02 looks good Jan 16 16:14:04 Hi ... Is there some usable/free UART on the GTA02 board ? Eg: the GPS or GSM UART when they are disabled. thx Jan 16 16:14:13 check your router as well Jan 16 16:14:21 ? Jan 16 16:15:17 I can ping from laptop to router on ip, but not from freerunner to router , also on ip Jan 16 16:15:31 so router knows 192.168.0.0 and .1.0 are both on local net Jan 16 16:16:59 sorry forget that, FR is on your laptop, not on your router Jan 16 16:17:30 I told complete nonsense, sorry :( Jan 16 16:17:42 only thing I can ping from FR is laptop Jan 16 16:17:48 on IP bases Jan 16 16:18:20 these are the iptables: Jan 16 16:18:25 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s $REMOTE_IPADDR Jan 16 16:18:27 iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -s $REMOTE_IPADDR -d $IPADDR --dport domain Jan 16 16:18:29 -j DNAT --to-destination $DNSIP Jan 16 16:18:29 yup, you need switch on ip forwarding (routing) on your laptop Jan 16 16:18:31 iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p udp -s $REMOTE_IPADDR -d $IPADDR --dport domain Jan 16 16:18:32 -j DNAT --to-destination $DNSIP Jan 16 16:18:35 on laptop Jan 16 16:18:42 yup Jan 16 16:19:10 there is also a NETMASK in the freerunner script Jan 16 16:19:42 but it is not use, :S Jan 16 16:20:19 all the above from your laptop?! Jan 16 16:21:07 jep Jan 16 16:21:13 if so, doublecheck, and also check your firewall on laptop opens the forwarding Jan 16 16:21:16 i think it is the ip4_forward part Jan 16 16:21:28 check FW Jan 16 16:21:32 :/var/run$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Jan 16 16:21:34 0 Jan 16 16:21:38 on laptop Jan 16 16:21:50 while freerunner script should have echoed a 1 in there Jan 16 16:22:08 freesmartphone.org: 03rdaniellou 07specs * r144691bbb0b3 10/ogpsd/ (5 files): add Gypsy interface documentation for FSO Jan 16 16:22:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * ra83d4468e165 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): regenerate docs for FSO GPS API documentation Jan 16 16:22:23 hmm, run script as root? Jan 16 16:22:54 also check your firewall! Jan 16 16:23:15 I have echoed a 1 in there Jan 16 16:23:24 Pander: that routing table is not good Jan 16 16:23:47 run route add default gw on the phone Jan 16 16:24:19 tordo :] Jan 16 16:24:25 Dave =o) Jan 16 16:24:32 is that the same as setting the gateway in interfaces file? Jan 16 16:24:54 yes, should be Jan 16 16:25:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r21ce409ba5c1 10/html/index.html: formatting Jan 16 16:26:14 route add default gw 192.168.1.1 Jan 16 16:26:16 route: SIOCADDRT: File exists Jan 16 16:26:31 after changes gateway in interfaces to .1.1 and network restart Jan 16 16:26:34 the ip of the desktop USB interface! Jan 16 16:26:41 not the network router Jan 16 16:26:57 since your desktop will be acting as a router for the freerunner Jan 16 16:27:49 hi Jan 16 16:28:13 how do get the best video results on the freerunner? Jan 16 16:28:31 Pander: but i have to go reallifing now :( Jan 16 16:28:32 good luck! Jan 16 16:29:31 thanks so far Jan 16 16:30:36 i mean best framerate/best resolution Jan 16 16:31:08 route Jan 16 16:31:09 Kernel IP routing table Jan 16 16:31:11 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface Jan 16 16:31:13 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 Jan 16 16:31:14 default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 Jan 16 16:33:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re9604342da10 10/html/index.html: more formatting Jan 16 16:39:48 in SHR is it usual that "dialer" "messages" etc fails in open? crashes Jan 16 16:47:09 no its not Jan 16 16:48:09 try the russian-shr it works real good Jan 16 16:48:42 with the latest kernel from 2008.12 Jan 16 16:49:20 it liiks like a fdom-shr Jan 16 16:49:48 good english keyboard with a black background Jan 16 16:50:19 also has russian keyboard Jan 16 16:51:16 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * r97bccd7dc342 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: fix bug in WaitDBus w/ timeouts Jan 16 16:51:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rbd724ab14eb6 10/framework/patterns/tasklet.py: patterns/tasklet: use timeout_add_seconds to save energy Jan 16 16:51:19 i tried the .28 kernel an it worked but i had no sound Jan 16 16:52:18 this time next year will be astronomical Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: 03charlie 07framework * rf3f5069187ff 10/tests/sim.py: Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: tests/sim: wait for ReadyStatus signal when a SIMBusy error is raised Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: Otherwise the test was failing every time the SIM was not ready at startup. Jan 16 16:52:37 freesmartphone.org: The solution here assumes that after we receive a ReadyStatus, then we can't get Jan 16 16:52:38 freesmartphone.org: an other SIMBusy error for the next call. Jan 16 16:54:08 and i tried the stable unstable kernel from shr 1-6 -2009 an it didnt work seems weird Jan 16 16:55:18 so i ended up with a 2008.12 stock kernrl with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore Jan 16 16:57:05 haha i read that wrong Jan 16 16:57:24 it is 2008.12 not shr ha haaaa Jan 16 16:57:46 my forehead hurts Jan 16 17:00:09 I've seen somewhere that you can use names for ip-addresses, like "ssh root@freerunner" instead of "root@192.168.0.202" . how can I do this? Jan 16 17:00:27 thats called dns Jan 16 17:00:42 echo 192.168.0.202 freerunner >>/etc/hosts Jan 16 17:00:44 and it would require your freerunner to have a network hostname Jan 16 17:00:44 damnit om .12 is usable but sloooooooow - SHR is fast but unusable Jan 16 17:00:45 lol Jan 16 17:01:33 and SpeedEvil knows how to do that Jan 16 17:02:30 strange this is that dillo can surf to aa.bb Jan 16 17:05:00 dave is controlling panders freerunner Jan 16 17:05:47 should I be happy for that? ;) Jan 16 17:06:32 I can do pings now but still I get signature check failed when i do opkg update Jan 16 17:24:57 Brian! Jan 16 17:25:46 hallöle :) Jan 16 17:49:20 ha, i must have fallen asleep reading this channel last night, I see thousands of semicolons in the chat window Jan 16 17:55:06 Hi guys. I've had a neo freerunner for about 4-5 months now and still haven't been able to use it. I was wondering if someone could help me connect to it. I'm using Ubuntu a at the moment and have the neo attached via USB. I can't seem to connect to it Jan 16 17:56:56 does ubuntu bring up a network device when pluggin in the neo? Jan 16 17:57:22 if you set it up to do so :) Jan 16 17:57:23 jack_: you followed the howto in te wiki? Jan 16 17:57:24 usb0 comes up in ifconfig Jan 16 17:57:25 see hotplug Jan 16 17:57:55 yea, what about Defiant- question? Jan 16 17:57:56 :) Jan 16 17:57:57 * toggles_w only sees coldplugs today Jan 16 17:58:11 i assumed that you already tried the wiki howto Jan 16 17:58:36 Defiant-: I did but it's a bit confusing. I don't really understand the commands and it looks to me like there may be mistakes in the ipaddresses in the wiki instructions. I'm not sure what commands to type into the computer and which to type into the new Jan 16 17:58:40 *neo Jan 16 17:59:07 you shouldn need to type ianything into the neo Jan 16 17:59:29 When I try to ssh into the new the bland password doesn't work Jan 16 18:00:01 run this on your pc Jan 16 18:00:08 ok Jan 16 18:00:11 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 Jan 16 18:00:22 .200 being my ipaddress? Jan 16 18:00:25 after that ssh 192.168.0.202 Jan 16 18:00:28 should work Jan 16 18:00:33 jack_: .200 is ubuntu Jan 16 18:01:04 my actual ip is in a different range altogether, so should I use my actual ip?: Jan 16 18:01:28 Actually: ssh root@192.168.0.202 Jan 16 18:01:36 in case you're not root Jan 16 18:01:40 right Jan 16 18:02:22 maybe you need to create a route entry to the neo in your routing table? Jan 16 18:03:44 Ah, ok I'm in now :) I was putting in my actuall IP address instead of .200. So with that command I'm basically setting my UBUNTU USB ipaddress, right? Jan 16 18:04:05 yes Jan 16 18:04:33 Thanks very much guys Jan 16 18:06:04 its astonishing that you never logged in into you neo within 5month :) Jan 16 18:06:17 what did you do all the time with this device? Jan 16 18:08:36 I just left it in the drawer. I only had a mac at home you see, and USB networking has issues with the Mac. I could only try to mess around with it when I had spare time at work Jan 16 18:08:52 Which is now, I'm staying late just to try get it going :) Jan 16 18:09:23 hehe, so you can tell your boss you did a lot of extra hours Jan 16 18:09:50 ha, I wish Jan 16 18:10:12 had it for months but only really tried it an few hours here and there Jan 16 18:10:37 Kept meaning to set up a linux box at home but got tired waiting Jan 16 18:10:39 well, i would say its a good time to start Jan 16 18:10:45 its quite well working now Jan 16 18:10:52 So an opkg update fails to download the packages. Is there something else I have to do Jan 16 18:11:11 jack_: ubuntu livecd? Jan 16 18:11:22 yes you need to set up your ubuntu as gateway Jan 16 18:12:50 toggles_w: on a Macbook? hmmm... didn't think of that. Was trying to set up a VM but didn't have enough space left on the drive Jan 16 18:13:15 bipak_: from within the neo, right? Jan 16 18:14:21 yes you need to tell the neo what it should use as gateway. but your ubuntu needs to set up as gateway as well with iptables. search for NAT or something Jan 16 18:14:22 hello guys Jan 16 18:14:32