**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 18 02:59:57 2009 Jan 18 03:40:25 Ahhh, I need some nice canal earphones with a 2.5mm jack. Jan 18 03:49:30 Why is the 2.5 choosen anyway? Jan 18 03:49:36 Instead of 3.5 ... Jan 18 04:19:37 imme-emosol: smaller Jan 18 04:23:15 Best get a 2.5 to 3.5mm converter, most 2.5mm are crappy headsets that sound like crap. Jan 18 04:23:41 The audio on the FR is "broken" anyway. Jan 18 04:23:55 Hardware or software? Jan 18 04:23:58 There's a hardware fix internally, but it requires some skill -- see the wiki. Jan 18 04:24:09 Ohh Jan 18 04:24:50 Theoretically (I've not done it yet), with an outboard high-impedance amp/buffer, one might also be able to restore good low-freq response, perhaps built into a 2.5 to 3.5 mm converter cable. :) Jan 18 04:25:08 Someone was talking about that on the list or IRC some months ago, I wonder if they ever built it? Jan 18 04:31:03 So is there going to be an OpenMoko phone with completely working GPS + audio + non-slow graphics hardware? Jan 18 04:32:36 The laws of probability are in favor of that - eventually. Jan 18 04:51:34 there is no assurance that we won't ship something entirely Jan 18 04:51:34 different than GTA03 before the GTA03. or ship variants of GTA02 or Jan 18 04:51:34 variants of GTA03 before the GTA03 Jan 18 05:12:17 mwester: I listen to music on the speaker, and it sounds fine... Jan 18 05:12:32 Yeah, the speaker is ok. Jan 18 05:12:42 So it's just the headphones? Jan 18 05:12:44 It's the headphone circuit that has a wrong cap value Jan 18 05:12:51 Mph. Jan 18 05:13:17 Oh well, I guess I can just wait and eventually fork over the cash for a bluetooth. Jan 18 05:13:29 Which, I assume, wouldn't have this issue. Jan 18 05:13:48 relatively minor, compared to all the other things we'd like to see fixed. Plus there's a hardware fix for it, even if it's a bit tricky for the average person. Jan 18 05:14:02 and, yes, bluetooth won't have this problem. Jan 18 05:14:08 And knowing the FR, playing music over bluetooth shouldn't be TOO hard... Given most everything on the FR is hard enough that it should be comparatively easy. :P Jan 18 05:15:07 So define average user... :P Is that average FR user, or average cell user? Jan 18 05:16:01 Yeah, I'm sure it's pretty simple. Probably just a matter of a dozen 200-character long lines to type on the console to send messages over dbus to get bluetooth started up, and then you get to mess with about 100 different settings in the ALSA mixer to route the audio. No problem. Jan 18 05:17:39 * mwester figures there's probably a reason why nobody has bluetooth working hardly at all in *any* of the distros; certainly people who can afford to spend $400 on a hacker's phone have a $25 bluetooth headset... so it can't be the $$ Jan 18 05:17:50 Right. It takes about 10 hours to figure out how to do it, 30 minutes to set up scripts to do it for you, and another 11 1/4 hours to debug it. It can be done in less than a day! Jan 18 05:18:56 So where's the wiki page on the headphone fix? Jan 18 05:19:17 * Digital_Pioneer can't find it. Jan 18 05:22:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#Known.2FAccepted_Issues Jan 18 05:26:40 Yeah, beyond me. Jan 18 05:26:46 Too much electronics talk. :P Jan 18 05:57:30 what is the status of bluetooth support? Jan 18 05:57:53 is it considered doable currently? Jan 18 05:58:04 * khaije1 doesn't have a freerunner Jan 18 05:58:32 There shouldn't be anything preventing it from working; just someone to figure out how to do the ALSA configs and the bluetooth dbus commands to make it all work. Jan 18 05:58:58 There are no known hardware problems with bluetooth or the bt audio subsystem, AFAIK Jan 18 05:59:14 what about with debian on the freerunner... it would seem this should simplify taht even if it's in a less than elegant way Jan 18 05:59:41 how so? Jan 18 05:59:45 so it's sort of a 'haven't dedicated X amount of time to it yet' type of problem? Jan 18 06:00:06 that's the way it seems to me Jan 18 06:01:13 mwester: i may have misunderstood your statement about the alsa & bt dbus configs but it seems that it should all be more or less in place using debian, in other words no need to build, just apt-get Jan 18 06:01:43 i'll do a little research on this, i really like the idea of using a freerunner to listen to podcasts using a2dp Jan 18 06:05:09 khaije1: I can't imagine that debian knows any more about the mysteries of the audio hardware settings than any other distro does; the problem with the ALSA controls would seem to be specific to hardware, not a distro. Jan 18 06:07:49 hmm? where does the problem live? Jan 18 06:08:15 dunno. If I did, I'd fix it and have bluetooth working on my phone. Jan 18 06:08:21 heh Jan 18 06:09:22 if you have your phone with you could you paste the lspci for the bt controller? the wiki just says it's CSR BC04 or later... Jan 18 06:20:03 sorry nevermind Jan 18 08:55:42 hay guys Jan 18 08:56:30 most of people are whining that om basic functions dont work , but om is still in development phase , why they cant understand that / ? Jan 18 09:00:07 well gta2 is suppose to be general use, gta1 was developer only Jan 18 09:01:49 yah , but its still considered as dev kit , and not for end users Jan 18 09:03:02 and in the site its stated thats its for dev , and power users , so people should give it some time , until it becomes solid Jan 18 09:04:34 originally it was going to be a consumer phone, they have updated the website now Jan 18 10:20:49 Hi! Is there anybody that can help me answering some questions on the current freerunner phone? Jan 18 10:21:52 I'm about to buy one since over here in Germany I found a great deal at some online store (100€ less than the others)... but now I've read that a new version of the phone will be out this year... Jan 18 10:22:36 now I'm kinda stuck with the choice to get the current one or wait till the new one will be out Jan 18 10:23:47 also because I don't know all the architecture changes and if the current freerunner will get regular software updates once the new model is out... does anyone know more about this? Jan 18 10:24:15 Kurisutian: there will be regular updates Jan 18 10:24:28 Kurisutian: even the first openmoko hardware have its software updated Jan 18 10:28:38 Alright.... that sounds great.... thanks. Sice besides the better battery and the quad-band support would be the only things I could benefit from I rather stick with the current phone than waiting half a year longer... Jan 18 10:30:17 Does anyone know how the Android porting is going on. I heard rumors about it and saw some burred pictures but nothing really helpful... not that I'm about to put it on the phone but I was just curious how things are going in that direction.... Jan 18 10:40:25 Also I have a question about the GPS unit in the freerunner: Is it a real GPS unit or an assisted GPS unit (which would require the support of the network provider to actually work)??? Jan 18 10:40:51 Kurisutian: err, AGPS doesn't requite network to work Jan 18 10:41:00 Kurisutian: it just helps it Jan 18 10:42:03 Hmmm... maybe my source is wrong but I've read that it needs to be supported by the provider to actually work..... but thanks for the information.... I guess my source wasn't all to clear about it.... ;-) Jan 18 10:42:27 Kurisutian: yup, Freerunners GPS works just fine without network Jan 18 10:43:33 Alright.... awesome.... I was looking forward to get navit running on it.... ;-) Jan 18 10:51:03 PaulFertser: that 'distribution choosing method' for qi is not documented in the wiki right? Jan 18 11:08:37 Hi, can you tell me, where to get a fso-zhone image? I dont see it on the fso servers, and building fso from source takes too much time Jan 18 11:09:08 baba_melone: http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ Jan 18 11:22:03 henk: I know that link Jan 18 11:22:13 but I cannot find a fso-zhone image there Jan 18 11:22:22 only fso-illume and fso-console Jan 18 11:23:33 baba_melone: zhone is fsos demo app. it's in the illume image. Jan 18 11:24:11 well Jan 18 11:24:21 I downloaded the milestone 4.1 image Jan 18 11:24:25 fso-illume Jan 18 11:24:31 but it didnt contain zhone Jan 18 11:24:48 and installing it with opkg is unsucccessful too Jan 18 11:25:06 python has a problem with its unicode encoding Jan 18 11:25:22 so i tried and changed the encoding to iso-8859-1 Jan 18 11:25:54 but now there are several modules missing and now im installing python-modules Jan 18 11:26:52 but Id like to have it working without having changed the encoding Jan 18 11:27:07 as im not sure whether it works now or not Jan 18 11:27:15 or if there is a deeper problem Jan 18 11:28:24 it does include zhone... perhaps it just doesn't start? Jan 18 11:29:20 no, it didnt include it Jan 18 11:29:27 had to do a opkg install zhone Jan 18 11:29:52 it wasnt on the desktop, nor was it in the PATH(not startable by the console) Jan 18 11:33:59 baba_melone: which one did you download? exact filename please! Jan 18 11:35:24 openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081120-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Jan 18 11:37:00 hey all Jan 18 11:37:15 henk: I have now installed python-modules Jan 18 11:37:23 but i still cannot start zhone Jan 18 11:37:38 python complains about not finding the traceback module Jan 18 11:37:49 which is needed by the logging module Jan 18 11:37:58 hm, try another image. perhaps a daily build from testing Jan 18 11:38:00 ringtone format for shr: basically any format for which the proper codec is installed? Jan 18 11:41:22 henk: hm, Im now downloading a testing image, but in the server's testing directory there are only fso-image-glibc packages, not even -illume packages Jan 18 11:41:39 btw, sorry, lindi for the confusion the other day. didn't realize that .yaml was the ringing config file Jan 18 11:41:47 thought it was the actual ringtone format Jan 18 11:44:02 baba_melone: yes, illume is included by default. Jan 18 11:49:52 Hi! I need to download some ipk files to my computer couse I can't download them directly to my phone. Where can I find these? from the official repo. Jan 18 11:50:24 downloads.openmoko.org/repository Jan 18 11:50:42 but its better to install them directly from the phone Jan 18 11:51:02 dont you have an internet connection with your phone? Jan 18 11:51:54 you can use your pc as a router Jan 18 11:52:30 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward enables kernel ip forwarding Jan 18 11:52:33 Yes. I guess. The problem is that I live at my school. They have a firewall :S I have tried to configure my computer as a router, but I don't know how Jan 18 11:53:02 then you have to set your iptables Jan 18 11:53:33 TeNoVi: it's all on the wiki actually... Jan 18 11:53:40 iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0(or whatever is your interface with the internet connection) -j MASQUERADE Jan 18 11:53:50 Yes, but I can't get that working :S Jan 18 11:53:53 and finally: iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface usb0 -j ACCEPT Jan 18 11:53:59 just do it as i told you Jan 18 11:54:17 TeNoVi: why? Jan 18 11:54:17 and dont forget enabling kernel ip forwarding as i told you Jan 18 11:54:35 I'll try it. Jan 18 11:55:03 henk: I guess it is something about the firewall they are running here. It is SonicWall Jan 18 11:55:27 But I have to go now. Thanks for the quick answers. I will come back later ;) Jan 18 11:56:02 TeNoVi: i don't think so... Jan 18 12:13:43 henk: yes, it's not documented yet. Jan 18 12:15:08 henk: but i've sent a patch to README with documentation, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/7584 feel free to add the information to the wiki (except power button, which is not accepted upstream (probably yet)). Jan 18 12:16:22 PaulFertser: ok, will do that, thanks! Jan 18 12:26:25 * hipitihop waves to the residents Jan 18 12:27:02 henk: while you're at it, please also insert a link to current README ( http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=blob;f=README;hb=HEAD ) somewhere on the page. Thanks a lot! :) Jan 18 12:27:25 anyone here using the koolu android image on gta02 v5 Jan 18 12:27:58 Or, not again :( Jan 18 12:28:34 * hipitihop ducks, he's been reading the list but not the irc archive Jan 18 12:29:40 hipitihop: no need to read irc archive to anderstand that android is not "true". It distracts you from The Way. Jan 18 12:31:24 Hm, there aren't as many people PO'd at OM on the MLs. Jan 18 12:32:13 PaulFertser, ok, been using QTExtended 4.4.2 since it was released, still not quite there but at the time was more usable then anything else. Just looking to see if anything has changed Jan 18 12:33:02 hipitihop: imho qtwhatever is not The True Way either, sorry. Jan 18 12:34:03 PaulFertser, wasn't suggesting it was :-) just waiting for The Way Jan 18 12:38:36 * hipitihop needs a restart brb Jan 18 12:48:41 so is someone prepared to recommend The Current Way for a gta02 v5 need reliable suspend, calls and sms Jan 18 12:50:54 all distributions suspend reliably afaik... Jan 18 12:51:31 resuming works reliably on shr and debian for me. Jan 18 12:53:55 2008.12 too. Jan 18 12:54:40 Can't get the full keyboard on it though. Jan 18 13:09:09 how do you set your current time with date ? Jan 18 13:10:42 date $your_time? Jan 18 13:13:10 sudo date `ssh $host_with_correct_time date +%m%d%H%M.%S` Jan 18 13:14:08 or ntpdate pool.ntp.org Jan 18 13:16:28 worked out i was using the wrong format, date -s 01190012 Jan 18 13:19:56 hi Jan 18 13:22:58 apologies for the frequent join/leave my proxy is acting up Jan 18 13:23:41 * zash_ ignores join/leave etc Jan 18 13:23:59 imposible to be here otherwise Jan 18 13:52:04 PaulFertser: could you take a look and perhaps explain the 'kernel-choosing' better? i don't quite understand the mechanism to be able to explain it properly i think... Jan 18 14:11:01 hey peopls Jan 18 14:12:23 anyone know how to paste text into the shr terminal? Jan 18 14:12:52 (text not selected within the terminal) Jan 18 14:15:21 badcloud, CTRL+C and CTRL+V maybe? Jan 18 14:18:50 it's cute how you assume I'm a fool first. Ctrl+c/v don't work in the terminal Jan 18 14:19:09 neither does shift+ins Jan 18 14:23:29 one is usually better off assuming that... :-/ Jan 18 14:27:00 I tend to disagree, but *meh* Jan 18 14:28:47 badcloud: what's shr terminal? Jan 18 14:30:19 the terminal included in the shr build Jan 18 14:30:51 I don't know the name Jan 18 14:32:00 ash would be my assumtion Jan 18 14:32:17 as it's in /bin Jan 18 14:32:25 badcloud: ash is a shell Jan 18 14:32:45 badcloud: what does ps axuf show? Jan 18 14:32:50 my bad Jan 18 14:33:29 quite a lot Jan 18 14:33:55 what should I be looking for? Jan 18 14:35:33 'term' Jan 18 14:35:59 or openmoko-terminal. or look for shells and their parent processes... Jan 18 14:37:57 'vala-terminal' Jan 18 14:40:43 git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/vala-terminal.git Jan 18 14:41:22 ? Jan 18 14:43:54 apt-get source vte Jan 18 14:45:10 and compile? my main comp is down Jan 18 14:46:07 badcloud: no, read Jan 18 14:46:28 src/terminal.vala:65.9-65.49: error: Too few arguments, method `Vte.Terminal.set_colors' does not take 3 arguments Jan 18 14:46:32 terminal.set_colors( fore, back, colors ); Jan 18 14:46:33 it does not compile anyway Jan 18 14:46:36 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Jan 18 14:49:16 badcloud: at least VTE support clipboard Jan 18 14:49:36 now i'd need to compile it to easily try it Jan 18 14:49:51 what program handles git:// protocol? Jan 18 14:50:39 badcloud: git Jan 18 14:52:05 don't have it... I'll try after I get my lappie running again Jan 18 14:53:07 thanks a bunch Jan 18 15:09:57 henk: Hey, great restructuring and clarifications! I'm going to add several specific points and remove bugs section. Also, POWER doesn't add debugging (yet), so i'll remove this part. Do you think anything else needs clarification? Just ask, i'll try to answer. Jan 18 15:14:55 PaulFertser: the memory test... there is _no_ information whatsoever it seems. only that it's there... there should be some info about, especially concerning what it does, where/what/how it reports with qi not doing display initialization, can it be run manually, i.e. without removing all kernels/by skipping all kernels, ... Jan 18 15:15:19 what's the kernel channel? Jan 18 15:15:52 henk: i'll try to find how and when memory test works later. Gotta read some sources for that :) Anything else? Jan 18 15:16:20 dagger: you mean where kernel devs hang? Jan 18 15:16:31 PaulFertser: yeah Jan 18 15:16:38 email, trac :) Jan 18 15:16:45 Anyone running android? Jan 18 15:17:38 PaulFertser: not atm... Jan 18 15:18:06 dagger: Werner sometimes comes here, and Joerg does it regularly. You can also contact M.Westerhof here or at #openmoko-cdevel. That's all, i think. Jan 18 15:19:09 PaulFertser: btw are you qi developer or 'only' advocate? Jan 18 15:19:41 henk: advocate and happy user. Though i had to hack on it a little to make it work with my uSD card. Jan 18 15:19:57 PaulFertser: yeah ;) Jan 18 15:20:16 Greetings, joerg_42 :) Jan 18 15:20:51 Hi, Im trying to use the openmoko toolchain Jan 18 15:20:55 with my current .config (based on andy-tracking moredrivers) lshal | grep bat gives me 3 batteries. (2 from APM). Is it safe to remove APM from .config completely (I use current git frameworkd)? Jan 18 15:21:09 and the wiki says to install nwe programs or libs, one needs to run opkg-target Jan 18 15:21:31 but this program doesnt exist in the toolchain I downloaded(the most recent one) Jan 18 15:22:07 dagger: i think yes, APM is not needed anymore. At least for the recent frameworkd. Jan 18 15:22:44 PaulFertser: i see :) Jan 18 15:23:06 PaulFertser: how does it suspend then? Jan 18 15:23:32 PaulFertser: yes i know. I was more concerned about other power related kernel subsystems. Won't is mess up any other subsystem (like pcf50633) ? Jan 18 15:23:35 lindi-: echo mem >/sys/power/state Jan 18 15:24:27 dagger: to the best of my knowledge, removing apm emulation won't mess up anything in kernel-space. Jan 18 15:24:52 dagger: but don't blame me if it will, i'm not a kernel dev ;) Jan 18 15:25:11 PaulFertser: at least you're more confident than I am :) what about CONFIG_APM_POWER=y Jan 18 15:25:23 it's in # SPI GPIO expanders: Jan 18 15:27:02 the only reason I'm asking, it because enlightenment has now HAL backed for battery and with 3 reported batteries it shows me 1/3 of actual battery status (already reported on E devs) Jan 18 15:27:06 dagger: some time ago there was a lengthy thread on ML about kernel devs' desire to remove all APM emulation. I guess they were prepared for it but didn't do because userspace maintainers mostly ignored the discussion, IIRC. Jan 18 15:27:47 PaulFertser: yeah I've read it. Anyway, the best options it just test it than :) Jan 18 15:28:16 dagger: and report on ML after the successful test ;) Jan 18 15:28:30 PaulFertser: will do. Compiling now Jan 18 15:30:02 henk: do you think there were any reports from people stating that rootdelay=1 was not enough for them and more time is needed? Recent Qi includes that by default. Should i remove the section from wiki? Jan 18 15:34:13 PaulFertser: sorry, i don't know about that. i tested with and without rootdelay 2 hours ago and both worked fine. i'd just leave it in. it is a valid option and who knows who might need it... Jan 18 15:34:43 henk: rootdelay=1 doesn't make sense anymore, as it's default in recent Qi. Jan 18 15:36:01 PaulFertser: i know that _now_ ;) add it to the 'defaults' section?! Jan 18 15:37:15 henk: Ok, i'll leave the section changing 1 sec to 5 and will describe the default. Jan 18 15:37:44 PaulFertser: sounds good! Jan 18 15:43:59 PaulFertser: ok test results. lshal still reports 3 http://pastebin.com/m7b948976, but none shows right info (battery is at 100% charge now). E reports 0% (as it reads hal's results) Jan 18 15:47:02 dagger: i think i see only one battery in your test results. All available power supplies are supposed to be in /sys/class/power_supply . That includes usb-charger. Jan 18 15:48:47 PaulFertser: by 3 batteries I mean 3 devices with info.capabilities = {'battery'}. I will check other .config optins and report back Jan 18 15:49:51 dagger: i see only 2 entries in your pastebin with info.capabilities = {'battery'} . One is for battery, one is for usb power supply. Jan 18 15:51:17 PaulFertser: oh sorry. Yes you're right. there are two of them now. I'm only wondering why /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_power_supply_battery_battery isn't showing right results Jan 18 15:51:55 dagger: battery.charge_level.percentage = 100 ? Isn't it correct? Jan 18 15:52:43 PaulFertser: battery.charge_level.current = 0 (0x0) (int) Jan 18 15:52:43 battery.charge_level.design = 0 (0x0) (int) Jan 18 15:54:14 dagger: current is current. Why should it charge or discharged if it's fully charged now? Jan 18 15:54:58 PaulFertser: oh it's change_level.current. (I should read more closely) Jan 18 15:55:30 but still my laptop battery (which is fully charged) reports battery.charge_level.current = 52650 Jan 18 15:58:40 dagger: Ah, i see now. The FR's kernel lacks charge_full_design and charge_now. You should probably ask about it on ML. Jan 18 17:01:43 cga :o Jan 18 17:34:40 ciao Dave Jan 18 17:39:54 Hallo :D Jan 18 17:50:12 Hællæ :) Jan 18 17:51:42 s'kjera? Jan 18 18:01:09 :) Jan 18 18:03:50 liker du hæstkuk? Jan 18 18:03:52 :p Jan 18 18:35:37 Dave: Where are you from? North of Norway, lol Jan 18 18:35:53 or North Norway Jan 18 18:36:48 * Dave hides Jan 18 18:37:00 Same? Jan 18 18:37:06 lol Jan 18 18:37:14 lappsame Jan 18 18:37:19 NO Jan 18 18:37:26 snakker du til meg!? Jan 18 18:37:31 ja Jan 18 18:37:37 hahaha Jan 18 18:37:40 norje? hon är inte från norje Jan 18 18:37:43 måtte sjekke Jan 18 18:37:49 Tm_t ~_~ Jan 18 18:37:49 same same, but different Jan 18 18:37:55 fredrin, ja :P Jan 18 18:38:05 hvordan går det? Jan 18 18:38:09 går bra Jan 18 18:38:14 tm_t, je zuigt! Jan 18 18:38:20 Holder til i Uruguay om dagen Jan 18 18:38:21 fredrin =] Jan 18 18:38:22 Montevideo Jan 18 18:38:23 fint land Jan 18 18:38:24 Ah! Jan 18 18:38:31 wow Jan 18 18:38:37 nej! Jan 18 18:38:39 * Tm_T hides Jan 18 18:38:41 hva gjør du? Jan 18 18:38:57 Dave: danske, roight? Jan 18 18:39:07 tm_t, NO Jan 18 18:39:14 lollerdanes Jan 18 18:39:20 tja si det :) Finner ut hvordan livet er i sør-amerika. Leker med Neo telefonen og leker med aksjemarkedet :) Jan 18 18:39:38 tm_t: jævla hæstkuk! Jan 18 18:39:38 Dave: javisst Jan 18 18:39:39 :D Jan 18 18:39:42 are we doing a language festival? hurray! Jan 18 18:39:43 ¬_¬ Jan 18 18:39:47 sharwin? Jan 18 18:39:49 Sharwin_F: no, not yet Jan 18 18:40:06 fredrin, hvordan er været? Jan 18 18:40:17 by the way, any good language tools for the Neo? Jan 18 18:40:24 no :( Jan 18 18:40:31 Dave: varmt og sol Jan 18 18:40:33 sommer her nå Jan 18 18:40:42 rundt 25 - 30 grader Jan 18 18:40:45 fredrin: talvi se on Jan 18 18:40:57 Tm_T: que? Jan 18 18:41:31 oooh Jan 18 18:41:34 hot ;p Jan 18 18:41:54 fredrin: queue! Jan 18 18:43:02 hmm, hvordan sier du douchebag på norsk? :D Jan 18 18:43:14 que hay de postre? Jan 18 18:43:20 balrogkuns Jan 18 18:43:43 * balrog-kun tips his hat Jan 18 18:43:47 :) Jan 18 18:43:50 Hallo Jan 18 18:45:25 Dave: drittsekk, men duche er vel også sånn fittevaskedings Jan 18 18:45:32 hehe ;D Jan 18 18:45:42 danke Jan 18 18:45:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vaginal_bulb_syringe.jpg Jan 18 18:46:00 lol Jan 18 18:46:01 o_O Jan 18 18:46:06 fitte? Jan 18 18:46:48 Dave: Fitte er en medisinsk term for vagina ;) Jan 18 18:47:16 eller så var det motsatt, hehe Jan 18 18:47:34 ja :P Jan 18 18:47:44 wtf... Jan 18 18:48:03 hva gjør du? Jan 18 18:48:09 runker? :P Jan 18 18:48:11 XD Jan 18 18:48:23 ergs, iek ik dbiikell du dooeppee furdle gurdle? Jan 18 18:48:27 plonk Jan 18 18:48:31 hahaha Jan 18 18:48:50 hungover, one becomes a bit mental midget then Jan 18 18:48:54 * mwester goes in search of #openmoko-en Jan 18 18:48:56 :P Jan 18 18:49:15 DocScrutinizer, hvordan står det til med min bestevenn? :) Jan 18 18:49:29 Mwester, good luck :D Jan 18 18:50:18 konge joerg! Jan 18 18:50:21 :) Jan 18 18:50:33 :X Jan 18 18:51:06 beskjeden? Jan 18 18:53:19 ze frans! Jan 18 20:10:22 hot chikaz http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:10:26 HOT BABEs http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:10:55 http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:11:08 HOT BABES ARE F******http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:11:10 http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:11:21 http://www.to-6.net/?uid=62054 Jan 18 20:11:26 sigh Jan 18 20:12:43 what fools ppl can make of themselves with the appropriate motivation :) Jan 18 22:05:44 where can I find a guide to install Om2008.12? Jan 18 22:11:17 fale, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing Jan 18 22:11:25 Sharwin_F: thankyou :) Jan 18 22:12:03 fale, I personally use Neotool, it looks easily than using dfu-utils from terminal directly :) Jan 18 22:12:24 Sharwin_F: thankyou, I will download it, then :) Jan 18 22:12:45 Sharwin_F: are you using 2008.12? Jan 18 22:13:04 fale, well, now now... I'm without anything Jan 18 22:13:12 I see Jan 18 22:13:13 I'm gonna use SHR now Jan 18 22:13:19 shr? Jan 18 22:13:42 I had SHR before but some changes crashed it and now devs have just put things on their place :D Jan 18 22:14:08 fale, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR Jan 18 22:14:51 Sharwin_F: I'm using Qtopia, atm, but I think is going way too long the last development Jan 18 22:15:07 fale, I've tried just now qtopia Jan 18 22:15:17 I prefer SHR, is more community based Jan 18 22:15:21 Sharwin_F: which version? Jan 18 22:15:37 Sharwin_F: shr is like a 'stable' fso? Jan 18 22:15:40 fale, I'm going to try now the unstable they have just uploaded Jan 18 22:15:51 fale, no Jan 18 22:16:05 fale, I think they use some of the code from FSO Jan 18 22:16:34 Sharwin_F: I see Jan 18 22:16:52 Sharwin_F: the last stable version of shr has some very annoing bugs? Jan 18 22:17:20 fale, I think they don't have stable versions... xD Jan 18 22:17:30 :o Jan 18 22:17:34 they are going to have a stable version soon although Jan 18 22:17:47 ok, I think i'll try fso, than Jan 18 22:17:54 but it's the best distro I've used at the moment Jan 18 22:17:55 fale, like?(the annoying bugs) Jan 18 22:18:42 Gnutoo: bad audio quality (like qtopia) or no wireless (like Qtopia) no gps software (like qtopia) and other stuff like that Jan 18 22:19:11 Sharwin_F: why do you think is better than fso? Jan 18 22:19:14 fale, for the echo you have to edit a file Jan 18 22:19:34 Gnutoo: the problem is the low and not always continued volume Jan 18 22:19:45 Gnutoo: and a lot of time, the voice lags Jan 18 22:19:49 fale, ah ok so it's another problem... Jan 18 22:19:56 yep Jan 18 22:20:19 on my phone I had resolved the echo problem, as soon as it appeared ;) Jan 18 22:20:33 fale, I tried to set up FSo yesterday and it stacked at boot Jan 18 22:20:47 Sharwin_F: wonderfull... Jan 18 22:22:55 Sharwin_F: I hope that the last decisions of nokia about qt will soon touch qtopia Jan 18 22:23:12 fale, what about? Jan 18 22:23:40 Sharwin_F: nokia promised LGPL and a more open develop for qt4.5 Jan 18 22:24:43 fale: they already said it won't affect Qt Extended Jan 18 22:24:50 aren't qt free sfotware already? Jan 18 22:24:57 kelvie: :( Jan 18 22:25:03 GPL and LGPL are both free according to how you define "free" Jan 18 22:25:05 Sharwin_F: is under GPL Jan 18 22:25:29 does an opkg upgrade upgrade the kernel as well? Jan 18 22:25:36 if an upgrade is available, that is Jan 18 22:25:53 kelvie, I've seen sometimes some kernel modules being updated Jan 18 22:26:09 I don't know if that answers at all your question :P Jan 18 22:26:12 modules I can understand, but the actual kernel is what I am wondering about, yeah Jan 18 22:26:18 is there a way to have a stable and daily usable phone (mine is daily usable, but it has some annoing bugs) Jan 18 22:26:37 I've been using FSO for a while Jan 18 22:26:37 fale, I use my mobile dialy with shr :P Jan 18 22:26:40 kelvie: do you know the date of the next qtextended? Jan 18 22:26:42 although the GSM buzzing is kind of annoying Jan 18 22:26:45 fale: I do not Jan 18 22:27:04 kelvie: thx :) Jan 18 22:27:47 wow.. has FSO upgraded to 2.6.28 already? Jan 18 22:28:16 kelvie: what is the GSM buzzing? Jan 18 22:28:17 I think so Jan 18 22:28:44 fale: there's a loud buzz on the other end when I make phone calls Jan 18 22:28:52 I don't hear it, but I've gotten complaints from the other party Jan 18 22:29:19 kelvie: that's one of the problem of qtopia too... maybe is a kernel stuff? Jan 18 22:29:25 it is Jan 18 22:29:53 kelvie: wow Jan 18 22:30:02 or rather, it is a hardware problem Jan 18 22:30:11 hardware? :o Jan 18 22:31:42 kelvie: than the only way to solve it, is change the phone? Jan 18 22:31:43 hey, I'm the only stupid guy who doesn't know how to restart the mobile after flashing without taking out the battery? xD Jan 18 23:17:25 fale: searchhardware mailing list for "buzz", from "joerg@om.org" Jan 18 23:17:56 fale: also see people.openmoko.org/joerg Jan 18 23:25:33