**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 28 02:59:57 2009
Jan 28 03:03:27 <Dave> yay :D
Jan 28 03:03:36 <Dave> Welcome to Openmoko! :)
Jan 28 03:04:59 <juri_2> 'welcome to'? i was here before phase 1. i'm just facepalming due to the direction it took. ;)
Jan 28 03:06:14 <Dave> heh
Jan 28 03:06:29 <SpeedEvil> You can't facepalm without the approved OpenMoko pineapple in the palm.
Jan 28 03:06:30 <Dave> yeah, OM on the GTA01/2's is like a Choose your own adventure :D
Jan 28 03:06:37 <Dave> haha. ouch.
Jan 28 03:08:18 <SpeedEvil> problem hasn't really been the hardware
Jan 28 03:08:29 <Dave> Choose your own [software] adventure!
Jan 28 03:08:32 <Dave> distro, and all :p
Jan 28 03:09:02 * VilleWitt thinks the hardware is brilliant! (yes, it can always be better, but its fine...)
Jan 28 03:09:29 <SpeedEvil> brilliant is strong - GSM buzz cripples GTA02 for some
Jan 28 03:10:11 <juri_2> i'm looking at the shr distro. comments?
Jan 28 03:11:19 <arg0> so far not to bad
Jan 28 03:12:45 <Dave> That's rather subjective :p
Jan 28 03:17:04 <juri_2> i read on the wiki that the gsm dies after about a day. still true?
Jan 28 03:18:18 <juri_2> meh! no rootfs for the gta01 for unstable. :(
Jan 28 03:18:23 <Dave> uhh, no... but I believe people are still affected by #1024
Jan 28 03:20:21 <_charly_> there's still no true fix for #1024 only a (working) workaround
Jan 28 03:20:40 <Dave> ~_~
Jan 28 03:20:41 <apt> STOP DOING THAT!
Jan 28 03:20:54 <_charly_> hm?
Jan 28 03:20:56 <juri_2> doesn't matter. i see no gtap1 images available.
Jan 28 03:21:32 * juri_2 has a pair of neo1973s. one of which already has 2008.02 on it.
Jan 28 03:24:13 <Dave> :)
Jan 28 03:28:27 <juri_2> um, the distros page could like, list which phones each distro supports.
Jan 28 03:28:52 * juri_2 facepalms.
Jan 28 03:35:18 <juri_2> ok, i have a neo 1973. what distros can i use?
Jan 28 03:35:30 * juri_2 FACEPALMS MAJORLY
Jan 28 03:36:27 <juri_2> FDOM is obviously 2008.9 based, and therefore not compatible with my gta01.
Jan 28 03:36:35 <juri_2> and doesn't even have a mention of that.
Jan 28 03:37:16 <_charly_> what about fso? i think there are gta01 images. don't know about shr (which is based on fso)
Jan 28 03:37:53 <juri_2> so, the openmoko website is so disorganized that it takes detective work to find out what distros i can use with my phone, that i bought off the site?
Jan 28 03:38:21 * juri_2 tries hard to put the 'omgthisissobad' aside long enough to work on her phone.
Jan 28 03:38:58 <juri_2> hah.
Jan 28 03:39:07 <juri_2> aha even. a table at the bottom of the page.
Jan 28 03:40:30 <juri_2> shr looks like it should work... i just don't see a rootfs for it.
Jan 28 03:40:48 <juri_2> not a gta01 specific rootfs. should i just try the gta02 rootfs?
Jan 28 03:44:33 <_charly_> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/neo1973/
Jan 28 03:45:47 <_charly_> about one month old, but for gta01
Jan 28 03:55:43 <juri_2> thanks. ;)
Jan 28 03:56:12 <juri_2> at least openmoko has an irc presence. ;)
Jan 28 04:46:24 <angasule> I just visited openmoko's website and the 'buy now' section only has 'brazil' for south america, no spanish speaking distributor.
Jan 28 04:49:34 <angasule> (I did check the website of the brazilian distributor, it is portuguese-only)
Jan 28 04:54:12 <juri_2> hmm. so this dialer is doing nothing, because my phone shows no service?
Jan 28 04:54:54 <juri_2> this same sim works in my *other* openmoko, running 2007.2
Jan 28 04:56:24 <juri_2> wow. this is strange.
Jan 28 04:56:50 <juri_2> then again, i've been using a 200806ish release for 6 months now. anything different will seem strange.
Jan 28 05:00:59 <juri_2> is there a place in this to re-try registering with the network?
Jan 28 05:55:50 <Dave> Cervajz :D
Jan 28 06:07:25 <juri_2> grr. i'm constantly getting -62, and i'm using the one from svn. options?
Jan 28 06:19:32 <juri_2> i can get a 48 meg image to load.. a 70 meg image fails..
Jan 28 06:23:12 <_charly_> doesn't the gta01 only have 64mb flash?
Jan 28 06:25:01 <juri_2> that would be a good reason. so, grr, half these gta01 images don't fit on a gta01. ;)
Jan 28 06:25:49 <_charly_> just looked in the wiki, 64mb flash
Jan 28 06:40:53 <juri_2> ok, this is nice, i like it. now, how can i make it *work*? :)
Jan 28 06:43:41 <juri_2> and, how do i build a newer version?
Jan 28 06:58:24 <juri_2> um, is this thing on?
Jan 28 07:10:18 <PaulFertser_> juri_2: i think if you're interested in building SHR and in support on GTA01 you'd better ask SHR devs at #openmoko-cdevel
Jan 28 07:12:21 <juri_2> PaulFetrser: I'm interested in my phone working. i've got two GTA01s i'm using here, and don't have the cash to just abandon. ;)
Jan 28 07:55:58 <PaulFertser_> juri_2: ask SHR devs, they're very helpful usually.
Jan 28 08:04:39 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03timo.lindfors 07framework * rc53125a8f181 10/framework/config.py: 
Jan 28 08:04:39 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: config: do not send timestamps to syslog since syslog already adds time
Jan 28 08:04:39 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: This patch makes frameworkd not log timestamps when it is
Jan 28 08:04:39 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: logging to syslog. Syslog already adds timestamps so extra timestamp
Jan 28 08:04:39 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: is just making the log lines longer for no good reason.
Jan 28 08:10:43 <ashbert> has anyone tried writing a separate program to send an sms (bare AT commands) with the qtopia stack running ?
Jan 28 08:24:49 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r55dddb8a9a58 10/src/zhone: correctly handle a missing "peer" field in the CallStatus message
Jan 28 08:25:53 <methril> morning
Jan 28 08:27:34 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r61b2a414faed 10/data/locale/ (ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.mo ru/LC_MESSAGES/zhone.po zhone.pot): run data/locale/update.sh
Jan 28 08:59:31 <gfather> hello guys 
Jan 28 09:25:01 <Kamping_Kaiser> If the GPS unit in my FR "stops working", am i able to buy another from OM?
Jan 28 09:30:22 <kd8ikt> i dont think it would be easily replaced
Jan 28 09:31:33 <Kamping_Kaiser> the GSM modem simply unplugs. i thought the GPS did as well.
Jan 28 09:31:47 <Kamping_Kaiser> someone beered my FR, and the GPS no longer syncs :(
Jan 28 09:34:55 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jan 28 09:35:34 <Kamping_Kaiser> ello
Jan 28 09:44:47 <PaulFertser_> Kamping_Kaiser: the GSM modem simply unplugs? On FR? Are you sure?
Jan 28 09:45:19 <Wonka> i don't think so.
Jan 28 09:45:42 <Wonka> needing to unsolder several chips does not count as "simply unplugs" for me
Jan 28 09:45:52 <PaulFertser_> Wonka: especially BGA :)
Jan 28 09:46:02 <Wonka> ack.
Jan 28 09:46:06 <Wonka> GPS is easier
Jan 28 09:46:17 <Wonka> afaik
Jan 28 09:46:59 <Wonka> Kamping_Kaiser: did you try washing the PCB with distilled water, taking especially care of the GPS antenna connector?
Jan 28 09:48:31 <Kamping_Kaiser> Wonka, no, not yet. i've only just had a chance to do controlled testing to make sure its busted (and it is). I'll try pulling it apart nowish i guess
Jan 28 09:53:51 <PaulFertser_> Wonka: i'd prefer ethyl spirit.
Jan 28 09:57:19 <Kamping_Kaiser> does this look like working GPS stuff? http://paste.debian.net/27093/
Jan 28 09:57:47 <Kamping_Kaiser> actually, i should really ask -debian about that
Jan 28 10:03:45 <kd8ikt> tango gps weather overlay would be neat
Jan 28 10:03:53 <kd8ikt> weather radar
Jan 28 10:27:01 <viq> kd8ikt: yes, but that would mean often changing data you need to download 
Jan 28 10:43:24 <ulf> hi
Jan 28 10:59:30 <rwhitby> Kamping_Kaiser: you should not apply power to the beered FR until you've fully rinsed with distilled water and then left to dry for many hours.
Jan 28 10:59:47 <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: hi son
Jan 28 10:59:48 <rwhitby> the more power, the more chance of something shorting
Jan 28 11:00:48 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, i'm somewhat worried about the circuits being eaten already, but message recieved
Jan 28 11:00:51 <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T, hey mate, how goes?
Jan 28 11:01:05 <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: busy, but good
Jan 28 11:01:12 <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: searching job atm
Jan 28 11:02:13 <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T, if your still calling yourself good while job searching things cant be to bad. I could be better, but i've had a pretty awsome couple of weeks so i'm not complaining
Jan 28 11:02:37 <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed
Jan 28 11:17:45 <Kamping_Kaiser> oh frig. all my TORX heads are too big :| my smallest is a T8
Jan 28 11:18:33 <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: use fingernails
Jan 28 11:19:37 <Kamping_Kaiser> i should probably refer to the doco on this. its not something i want to break :S
Jan 28 11:21:33 <PaulFertser_> Kamping_Kaiser: i used small flat screwdriver instead of torx. But be careful.
Jan 28 11:22:39 <Kamping_Kaiser> PaulFertser_, ok, cheers
Jan 28 11:24:00 <PaulFertser_> Kamping_Kaiser: as to disassembly after unscrewing, guitar pick (.7 or so) works the best, but i did it several times with fingernail as well. Just start from the correct end.
Jan 28 11:27:23 <kd8ikt> viq: yeah i forgot about that i tried just wgeting a radar image of my area but i dunno what can open gif files?
Jan 28 11:28:05 <kd8ikt> i can be fine with a cron job that tries to download a new radar image every so often or an update script
Jan 28 11:45:03 <rwhitby> careful of cutting your finger on the edge if you don't use a guitar pick.  it's a nasty slice if it cuts you.
Jan 28 11:46:18 <rwhitby> Kamping_Kaiser: I work in the city if you would prefer assistance in opening it - I've taken both GTA01 and GTA02 apart many times, and have a couple of dead ones you can practice on first ;-)
Jan 28 11:46:41 <rwhitby> (taken apart includes going under the cans in one case ...)
Jan 28 11:48:30 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, that would be great.
Jan 28 11:48:50 <Kamping_Kaiser> other then the FR would i need to bring anything particular?
Jan 28 11:50:20 <PaulFertser_> Beer, more beer :)
Jan 28 11:50:56 <Kamping_Kaiser> cruel, cruel man :P
Jan 28 11:51:42 <rwhitby> Kamping_Kaiser: nope, just the FR, but let me check tomorrow that I have the pick and torx there
Jan 28 11:52:01 <rwhitby> Kamping_Kaiser: you've got my email, right?
Jan 28 11:52:48 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, yeah, i've seen email from you to the oz-moko list, although i probably cant do tomorrow - car is in for a checkup.
Jan 28 11:53:05 <rwhitby> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm there all week - whenever you want.
Jan 28 11:54:53 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, ok. if early next week works for you, i can head down mon/tues. I'm currently free all next week
Jan 28 11:55:01 <rwhitby> sure
Jan 28 11:56:47 <Kamping_Kaiser> rwhitby, i'll email you over the weekend to try and tee up monday. if we dont manage we still have $otherdays left.
Jan 28 11:56:58 <rwhitby> ok
Jan 28 12:15:35 <kahn> hello all
Jan 28 12:16:55 <kahn> can anyone help point me to the latest shr images please? i le confused :P
Jan 28 14:05:05 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc39b8e68712b 10/etc/freesmartphone/opim/csv-contacts.txt: add fso team as test data
Jan 28 14:24:41 <zem_> Hi
Jan 28 14:56:07 <CIA-49> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rae581fa712cb 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): opimd: raise proper dbus errors, remove some redundancy (more to come), styling fixes
Jan 28 15:00:49 <Dave> TIG
Jan 28 15:00:56 <toggles_w> Dave: !
Jan 28 15:01:04 <Dave> Oh great, it's toggles :p
Jan 28 15:01:04 <toggles_w> thanks for the android keyboard!
Jan 28 15:01:10 <Dave> YOU'RE SO NOT WELCOME
Jan 28 15:01:12 <toggles_w> you finally finished it!
Jan 28 15:01:13 <Dave> ¬_¬
Jan 28 15:01:34 <Dave> Way to support me, guys!
Jan 28 15:01:58 * toggles_w high fives Dave
Jan 28 15:02:00 <toggles_w> sweet!
Jan 28 15:02:02 <Dave> :)
Jan 28 15:02:13 <Dave> Why, was everyone waiting for it, toggles? :P
Jan 28 15:02:47 <toggles_w> lol
Jan 28 15:03:10 <toggles_w> if only the droid wouldn't crash and reset gsm every 3 seconds it might be usable now!!
Jan 28 15:03:39 <Dave> :D
Jan 28 15:03:48 <Dave> Well gey, that's not MY problem :p
Jan 28 15:03:56 <Dave> :D
Jan 28 15:06:25 <Dave> meer noors ¬_¬
Jan 28 15:07:22 <tig|> Dave!
Jan 28 15:07:41 <tig|> sorry was prodding a server 
Jan 28 15:08:11 <Dave> Did it go moo? :D
Jan 28 15:16:39 <Dave> :)
Jan 28 16:05:03 <pjz> $19 for an 8GB microSD @ newegg.com right now
Jan 28 16:06:04 <vinicius> 95 bugs found <- Less than 100 regressions, according to gcc developers that is enough for a release. =P
Jan 28 16:28:15 <spydon> Which distro has the best battery time+
Jan 28 16:28:17 <spydon> ?*
Jan 28 16:28:23 <spydon> is it SHR?
Jan 28 16:30:23 <Tm_T> spydon: depends on what you do with your phone
Jan 28 16:31:09 <spydon> Okay, if I use it as a phone? :P
Jan 28 16:35:22 <Dave> hoi o/
Jan 28 17:12:49 <tororo> anyone has experienced "a network error has occurred" messages while using coherence with the ps3? every seems to work but i just get those messages on the ps3.
Jan 28 17:14:19 <tororo> heh sorry wrong channel
Jan 28 17:16:39 <johnsu01> hm, trying to build e now is giving me ./configure: line 14600: syntax error near unexpected token `CHECK,' ./configure: line 14600: `   PKG_CHECK_MODULES(CHECK,'
Jan 28 17:45:46 <Dave> moooooooooooooooo
Jan 28 18:17:14 <jopk> hi
Jan 28 18:17:36 <jopk> I'm still waiting for official fix for buzz issue. any news?
Jan 28 18:19:21 <lindi-> jopk: use bt headset meanwhile
Jan 28 18:20:32 <jopk> I have no bt headset :(
Jan 28 18:25:00 <root_at> hey, how can i build something with the toolchain with my archlinux?
Jan 28 18:25:49 <root_at> libmokoui2 isnt provided...can i install it by hand?
Jan 28 19:38:23 <root_at> hey. om-conf fails with "libmokoui not found..." but there is an /usr/lib/libmokoui2.*(.so etc) files and a libmokoui2.pc in /usr/lib/pkgconfig..why?
Jan 28 20:27:32 <th0br0> ah... guys... I got some weird problem with the alarm.
Jan 28 20:27:44 <th0br0> first of all., is there some file containing all the alarms set?
Jan 28 20:29:06 <lindi-> th0br0: sounds distro specific
Jan 28 20:29:11 <th0br0> shr-unstable
Jan 28 20:29:41 <th0br0> the problem is, that the alarms appear to be repeated and not once-only
Jan 28 20:32:33 <th0br0> so... any ideas?
Jan 28 21:04:15 <soul9> can anyone tell me what the default password is on om2008.9?
Jan 28 21:04:23 <Wonka> there is none?
Jan 28 21:05:29 <soul9> don't look like it
Jan 28 21:05:43 <soul9> f*$%
Jan 28 21:05:51 <soul9> i'm a moron, never mind
Jan 28 21:06:06 <soul9> (again)-:
Jan 28 21:06:11 <Tig|> oops :)
Jan 28 21:06:13 <Defiant-_> only one of the om2008.9 root passwords is know by the NSA
Jan 28 21:27:36 <Nobody96> moin
Jan 28 21:28:43 <zem_> moin Nobody96 
Jan 28 21:29:53 <Tig|> 'ningns
Jan 28 21:31:02 <toggles_w> anyone have gprs running with shr?
Jan 28 21:32:02 <Tig|> toggles_w: there is some info in the tips and tricks page on the SHR site
Jan 28 21:32:20 <toggles_w> Tig| thanks
Jan 28 21:32:24 <Tig|> I think the answer is yes but not through the gui
Jan 28 21:32:38 <Tig|> np :)
Jan 28 21:33:49 <Tig|> toggles_w:   http://shr.bearstech.com/trac/wiki/Tweaks#EnableGPRS
Jan 28 21:33:55 <Tig|> sorry it is called tweaks
Jan 28 21:34:19 <toggles_w> thanks, found it
Jan 28 21:34:29 <toggles_w> didn't realise i had to enable it
Jan 28 21:34:57 <Dave> Hi tig
Jan 28 21:35:01 <Tig|> if you get it working let me know as I have not tried it either but running shr 
Jan 28 21:35:10 <Tig|> DAVE! \o/
Jan 28 21:35:27 <Tig|> how is life treating you?
Jan 28 21:35:42 <toggles_w> not as good as it's treating iDave
Jan 28 21:36:15 <Tig|> heh
Jan 28 21:36:48 <Tig|> Dave I had an idea the other day,  you could build the world's slowest seti clusters out of freerunners :)
Jan 28 21:36:55 <Tig|> cluster even
Jan 28 21:38:33 <Tig|> I can picture the scene:   Setiadmin watching the results coming in,  "Oh my god!  quick everyone we have found a signal!" "what does it say?" "it seems to be a buzzing noise....."
Jan 28 21:38:47 <Tig|> :)
Jan 28 21:39:43 <Wonka> dapdadap dapdadap dapdadap drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Jan 28 21:39:43 <Dave> bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Jan 28 21:40:00 <Dave> Tig, haha, you're evil :)
Jan 28 21:40:04 <Dave> Tig, is ten enough? :)
Jan 28 21:41:09 <Tig|> it would be interesting :)
Jan 28 21:41:22 <Dave> heh, I might try it
Jan 28 21:41:35 <Tig|> is the seti source open 
Jan 28 21:41:44 <Dave> Though I'm still priding myself on world's worst beowolf :D
Jan 28 21:41:50 <Tig|> heh
Jan 28 21:42:00 <Dave> Hell yeah
Jan 28 21:42:10 <Dave> Check out our kiloflops, baby!
Jan 28 21:42:11 <Dave> :P
Jan 28 21:42:13 <Tig|> oooo you could install torque and have a batch processing cluster
Jan 28 21:42:21 <Dave> ew :)
Jan 28 21:42:29 <Tig|> then offer it as a public gentoo buildhost
Jan 28 21:46:40 <toggles_w> blah
Jan 28 21:46:46 <toggles_w> i don't get any repsonse form the modem
Jan 28 21:52:21 <Mortak> hi
Jan 28 22:17:59 <Dave> VIRUS
Jan 28 22:19:42 <CVirus> davey
Jan 28 22:28:22 <anttna> Hi folks I posted some photos to my screen protector how to, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_protection_-_ARMR200_film
Jan 28 22:28:42 <anttna> I hope to get some more time to help with the wiki.
Jan 28 22:31:06 <F|nger> anyone who can tell me where I can get SHR rootfs image? On the download page it seems there's only a kernel image available
Jan 28 22:32:36 <Tig|> F|nger: http://shr.bearstech.com/ then pick either testing or unstable
Jan 28 22:34:00 <F|nger> Tig|: ok, i'll go for the unstable then; thanx
Jan 28 22:34:41 <Tig|> np
Jan 28 22:51:47 <toggles_w> Tig|: fyi, no go on gprs, my modem doesn't seem to say anything, not sure why
Jan 28 23:16:46 <oliford> can someone (ie someone with an actual running gta device) check if they have 'dbus-launch'  running, if its in /usr/bin and what package its in
Jan 28 23:16:50 <oliford> please
Jan 28 23:17:51 <oliford> i had to manually add dbus-x11 to my OE iamge to get openmoko dbus-launch, openmoko won't do anything without it but it dies on suspend
Jan 28 23:18:18 <oliford> its hard to see how this doesn't affect the suspend on the openmoko devices themselved
Jan 28 23:23:08 <dent> oliford: yes, it's in /usr/bin, and ps aux shows it's running
Jan 28 23:23:47 <dent> (Im on shr-unstable btw)
Jan 28 23:25:20 <oliford> thanks
Jan 28 23:26:08 <oliford> whats shr-unstable? (bearing in mind i've only picked up the openmoko software from OE, i don't know much about the thing itself)
Jan 28 23:27:13 <oliford> and does suspend work on the device itself from the latest dev image? (i presume you people work from OE)
Jan 28 23:31:55 <anttna> HI I am running one of the latest fso testing images. I tried to ssh as root@192.168.0.202. I get the following message @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Jan 28 23:31:56 <anttna> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
Jan 28 23:31:58 <anttna> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Jan 28 23:32:00 <anttna> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
Jan 28 23:32:01 <anttna> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
Jan 28 23:32:02 <anttna> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
Jan 28 23:32:04 <anttna> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
Jan 28 23:32:06 <anttna> 9d:02:e1:6f:d4:15:cf:eb:47:1f:26:cd:51:9b:45:b8.
Jan 28 23:32:07 <anttna> Please contact your system administrator.
Jan 28 23:32:09 <anttna> Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Jan 28 23:32:10 <anttna> Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1
Jan 28 23:32:12 <anttna> RSA host key for 192.168.0.202 has changed and you have requested strict checking.
Jan 28 23:32:13 <anttna> Host key verification failed.
Jan 28 23:32:15 <anttna> I have used ssh with shr image before. 
Jan 28 23:32:16 <anttna> I can ping the phone 
Jan 28 23:32:18 <anttna> Your help please
Jan 28 23:32:23 <Elleo> anttna: edit your know_hosts file and delete that line
Jan 28 23:32:34 <henk> spammer!
Jan 28 23:32:44 <anttna> It is blank
Jan 28 23:32:50 <anttna> henk: no
Jan 28 23:32:53 <Elleo> on your desktop?
Jan 28 23:33:01 <henk> anttna: flooder!
Jan 28 23:33:06 <Elleo> i.e. the machine your sshing *from* to the freerunner
Jan 28 23:33:38 <anttna> from .ssh I typed vi known_hosts it was blank
Jan 28 23:33:51 <Elleo> vim /root/.ssh/known_hosts
Jan 28 23:33:57 <anttna> henk: apologies, is there a paste bin I could use
Jan 28 23:34:08 <Elleo> pastebin.ca pastebin.com rafb.net ... etc.
Jan 28 23:34:17 <henk> anttna: paste.debian.net or rafb.net/paste or pastebin.com, ...
Jan 28 23:34:32 <anttna> elleo: Henk: thanks I didn't know. 
Jan 28 23:35:17 <oliford> we all have to learn sometime, i remeber getting my whole uni banned from quakenet for that
Jan 28 23:35:48 <anttna> Elleo: oh. I see thanks, I thought I was in root obviously not
Jan 28 23:36:25 <henk> oliford: could be seen as an proactive educational measure... not being able to join qnet i mean.
Jan 28 23:36:31 <anttna> Is it ok to ssh as root or is there an alternative user to use? su?
Jan 28 23:36:42 <Elleo> just your normal user
Jan 28 23:36:57 <Elleo> you don't need special priviledges to use ssh
Jan 28 23:37:11 <riqun> i think he means on the phone.. i asked myself that too.. can the phone be run as a user?
Jan 28 23:37:19 <Elleo> ah, not properly
Jan 28 23:37:21 <henk> basically yes.
Jan 28 23:37:33 <Elleo> you can create a user account but something break iirc
Jan 28 23:37:47 <Elleo> somethings*
Jan 28 23:37:59 <riqun> ah, i see, thanks
Jan 28 23:38:00 <oliford> henk: it was first year, no one learns anything in the first year
Jan 28 23:38:06 <Elleo> actually that might well not be the case with frameworkd now
Jan 28 23:38:15 <henk> quite a few number of things need special privileges.
Jan 28 23:38:23 * oliford just notices he's not in #openmoko-cdevel
Jan 28 23:38:25 <oliford> doh
Jan 28 23:38:50 <anttna> On the wiki it says in one place not to ssh as root, but in another palce it says it's ok. ssh user@192.168.0.1 won't accept blank pw. Should I just use root@192.168.0.1?
Jan 28 23:39:09 <Elleo> anttna: you'd have to create a user first
Jan 28 23:42:12 <anttna> Thanks folks. g'night
Jan 28 23:43:46 <oliford> what is 'neod' ?
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