**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 15 02:59:59 2009 Feb 15 03:35:15 heh Feb 15 03:35:49 rtfm Feb 15 03:50:22 kd8ikt: why RTFM when we can bug IRC? Feb 15 03:51:49 lol Feb 15 09:25:11 guten morgen Feb 15 09:30:56 guten tag Feb 15 10:50:55 someone on the mailing list mentioned "QTE 4.4.2 with the testing kernel from http://downloads.openmoko.org/testing/daily" however that is an invalid link anyone have the correct one ? Feb 15 11:42:29 Hi everybody. I've been trying to use linphone with shr-testing, I can make calls but there is an almost infinite echo. Any hint? pls Feb 15 12:03:13 HI, Feb 15 12:07:07 is anybody using android on their OM? Feb 15 12:07:55 someone needs to add that to the topic it gets asked so often Feb 15 12:08:10 I have been around her yesterday, maybe some people remember my stupid questions. Well, I have just been removing the top case lid according to the guide for the Neo1973 (and it seems to have worked for my FreeRunner (btw: I bought it as defected and received it yesterday..)). Now guess what: I had a problem with entering NOR bootloader (screen always looked like this http://phodroid.com/09/02/922w78 )and what do I see: The aux button is broken, it has t Feb 15 12:09:03 and I was always wondering why it was so hard to feel whether I pressed it successfully or not Feb 15 12:11:59 you mean, the one i just asked? Feb 15 12:12:08 im using android Feb 15 12:12:11 i just got it working Feb 15 12:12:27 i was hoping to pick others brains about some usage stuff Feb 15 12:12:33 its awfully pretty Feb 15 12:12:52 but its also awfully quirky Feb 15 12:14:14 so, i was wondering if anyone else on here had gotten it to work and wanted to share their experience Feb 15 12:14:26 p3t3r__: i think the end of your first line got chopped off.. Feb 15 12:15:19 p3t3r__: sorry.. had more to say last night but i was falling asleep :)... the debug board will get you a serial console which might help you if it gets as far as starting the kernel Feb 15 12:15:55 p3t3r__: you need a working u-boot to install Qi Feb 15 12:19:47 Weiss: Yes, I figured that out already. http://phodroid.com/09/02/8wf3g8 take a look at the has to be resoldered - AUX button Feb 15 12:20:08 no way for me to enter NOR uboot yesterday Feb 15 12:21:33 Weiss: Besides I fear to be unable to deal with serial consoles.. all sounds very low level - and i am not even experienced in high level programming.. Feb 15 12:44:33 p3t3r__: no way to get the NAND menu either.. :S. so i guess it's hard to tell whether you have a kernel problem or a hardware problem... Feb 15 12:45:49 Weiss: At least no way to tell it right now. But once the hardware problem is fixed, I'll see whether there are even more problems or not Feb 15 12:47:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r202c1b0249cb 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: add org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.[Get]ReadyStatus. Feb 15 12:48:06 p3t3r__: what does "lsusb" show before and after you attach the device to pc? Feb 15 12:48:31 mickeyl: hey, are you there? Feb 15 12:49:27 yo Feb 15 12:49:47 mickeyl: i saw that the libxml2 bb does not build the python bindings that come with the source Feb 15 12:50:10 who is the maintainer of libxml2? i wrote you since you are the oe python guy ;) Feb 15 12:50:25 grep the MAINTAINER file in oe root Feb 15 12:50:36 ah right... Feb 15 12:50:38 if there is noone listed, then it's "the collective" Feb 15 12:51:06 mickeyl: what xml module does python in oe use so far? Feb 15 12:51:15 the builtin one Feb 15 12:55:41 thx Feb 15 13:28:04 mickeyl: since libxml/libxslt is very popular and much more powerful - can you think of someone that would have no trouble enabling the building of that module in the libxml bb? i tried myself but got stuck due to my limited bitbake knowledge Feb 15 13:29:03 well, i think that's the reason why it got disabled Feb 15 13:29:14 because it didn't build for someone Feb 15 13:29:46 i can take a look some time next week Feb 15 13:29:54 this would be great! Feb 15 13:29:58 in the meantime Feb 15 13:30:30 could you suggest a receipe that also includes python bindings so that i can look at that and give it one more try? Feb 15 13:32:39 not offhand Feb 15 13:32:47 okay Feb 15 13:32:51 try grepping for stuff inheritting distutils-base Feb 15 13:33:09 that's a sign for a package that does not use distutils (probably autoconf), but still needs information to ship py files Feb 15 13:33:19 ah cool Feb 15 13:38:39 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r02a21b413e43 10/src/gsm.vala: added FSO.GSM.SIM.ReadyStatus Feb 15 13:48:53 so i have a gta02v6 on ebay @220 bucks with a few hours left Feb 15 13:53:31 Odd. Can't even find it when searching. Feb 15 14:02:59 mickeyl: I'm using the daily experimental fso from downloads.opennmoko.org right now and besides the gps and battery-meter it works better than ever Feb 15 14:03:16 Calling, Answering, sms... :.) Feb 15 14:03:29 Thanks for the hard work on fso Feb 15 14:10:06 glad to hear, thanks for the heads up Feb 15 14:10:32 But there's no terminal in the build for the gta01 Feb 15 14:11:02 That's all I miss :) Feb 15 14:15:53 mickeyl: i'm using latest shr unstable Feb 15 14:16:12 and when i run tangogps together with openmoko-agpsui Feb 15 14:16:38 the agpsui gets the correct time and date, while tangogps is stating constantly different (wrong) times Feb 15 14:17:17 is this something i should report in the trac.? Feb 15 14:18:07 might be a glitch in fso-gspd Feb 15 14:18:19 in that case it would be on topic in FSO trac Feb 15 14:19:01 i'll try to test some more first then Feb 15 14:28:52 mickeyl: agps: http://pastebin.com/m160a47e8 tangogps: http://pastebin.com/d451c4afe Feb 15 14:36:06 Zorkman: hmm Feb 15 14:36:50 Zorkman: actually it might be useful to have strace from the beginning so that we could see if they are really talking to same gpsd Feb 15 14:41:50 anyone flashed their gsm firmware? Feb 15 14:44:30 toggles_w: i have Feb 15 14:45:39 lindi-: thanks, i got stuck, was my bad didn't keep reading the instructions, it seemed to wrk.. cheers Feb 15 14:47:10 toggles_w: please verify that it fixes #2231 for you Feb 15 14:49:11 lindi-: do you have a link to the bug tracker? Feb 15 14:50:00 toggles_w: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=lindi%0d%0asocat Feb 15 14:51:44 lindi-: thanks, going to take me a while to flash the phone again., ill get back to you Feb 15 14:53:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * ra416548dc7bb 10/src/ (consts.vala serial.vala): refactor serial/pty init Feb 15 14:53:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r11bf193fdaa8 10/src/ (serial.vala server.vala): restart serial writer only if port is already opened Feb 15 14:53:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb06aec7fe413 10/src/serial.vala: Feb 15 14:53:18 freesmartphone.org: restart writer directly after opening the port, since we might Feb 15 14:53:19 freesmartphone.org: already have queued up something in the buffer sent from the lower layers Feb 15 14:59:11 lindi-: btw, just found that rmmod'ing the sound module doesn't work as well. Feb 15 15:03:54 :) Feb 15 15:04:30 PaulFertser_: i finally figured out what i am suffering ... *G* http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards/SD-C02G <-- these are the same symptoms.. Feb 15 15:05:11 at least, i now know, that others have that problem too :) Feb 15 15:06:23 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r9a9eb5181bde 10/ (libfso-glib.pc.in src/Makefile.am): Feb 15 15:06:23 freesmartphone.org: Fixed libfso-glib.pc and publish .gir file. Feb 15 15:06:23 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes Feb 15 15:13:50 niv: so, does it work with that settings? And it's funny how the word GSM is used instead of GPS. Feb 15 15:16:17 nio_: or not... I've never heard that GSM can affect uSD... Feb 15 15:16:34 Someone earlier was complaining about this. Feb 15 15:16:43 Heavy GSM activity caused massive SD corruption. Feb 15 15:16:45 PaulFertser_: no, it is not working with that settings.. Feb 15 15:16:50 i set them via sysctl Feb 15 15:17:06 then i turn on gprs... and i am screwed :) Feb 15 15:17:44 the apps in the ram are working fine but the stuff on the sd card is inaccessable Feb 15 15:19:40 niv: don't set them via sysctl, they can't be altered that way. Feb 15 15:20:23 SpeedEvil: is there a ticket at OM trac? Does docscrutinizer2 know about it? Any additional info (how to reproduce etc)? Feb 15 15:21:41 niv: i also propose you to try a kernel which doesn't lower SD card voltage below 3V Feb 15 15:23:03 oh Feb 15 15:23:24 SpeedEvil: duh, what? Feb 15 15:23:42 i use that kernel: Feb 15 15:23:42 Linux debian-gta02 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 10 07:05:05 UTC 2009 armv4tl GNU/Linux Feb 15 15:23:55 so i have to search for another.. Feb 15 15:23:56 mh.. Feb 15 15:25:04 niv: there is no kernel that supports keeping SD voltage high OOTB Feb 15 15:25:21 docscrutinizer2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards/SD-C02G Feb 15 15:25:24 docscrutinizer2: sorry - it was a couple of days ago, I've no idea if the person in question raised a ticket Feb 15 15:29:02 mh.. anything i could do to help you analyze this? Feb 15 15:29:30 * SpeedEvil finds he has no logs. Feb 15 15:29:39 niv: first, try the parameters from the wikipage and report results Feb 15 15:29:51 damn, an absulutely consistent bug report. eew Feb 15 15:29:56 mh.. so i will try to modify my uboot-config. Feb 15 15:30:12 pretty much possible Feb 15 15:30:21 niv: yes Feb 15 15:30:34 but i dont get it whether its card dependent Feb 15 15:31:07 well me either :) these reports are for the 2 GB kingston and i have an 8 GB one.. Feb 15 15:31:10 Some cards can be more picky to the io line quality Feb 15 15:31:11 morning btw Feb 15 15:31:12 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r602458fea16d 10/src/fso-dbus-interfaces.vala: Feb 15 15:31:12 freesmartphone.org: Regenerated fso-dbus-interfaces. Feb 15 15:31:12 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes Feb 15 15:31:26 thanks for awekining me ;) Feb 15 15:31:26 Morning? :) Feb 15 15:32:13 That was an unintended side-effect, sorry. :) Feb 15 15:32:32 PaulFertser_: nah, honestly thanks Feb 15 15:33:44 (kingston) 1 and 8G here Feb 15 15:34:09 ah and 4 Feb 15 15:34:15 no 2 Feb 15 15:34:58 nevertheless, should have raised much more frequently, no? Feb 15 15:35:37 Especiall given how many crappy cards are around. Feb 15 15:35:59 i'd really love to ignore that, but it's so damn good description and conclusent Feb 15 15:36:30 who reported that? Feb 15 15:37:24 PaulFertser_: kingston not exactly crappy? Feb 15 15:37:47 well maybe Feb 15 15:39:27 wooly, hmm Feb 15 15:40:04 why didn't wooly open a ticket? or post to [hw]? Feb 15 15:41:13 docscrutinizer2: i don't know about kingston. I say that there's plenty of cards around and if it was a reproducible issue with bad card, many people would hit that, so i agree with you. Feb 15 15:41:37 ack Feb 15 15:42:13 still this is so precise it can't be bogus Feb 15 15:42:44 or reporter was very savvy Feb 15 15:43:12 (on adding speculation into facts) Feb 15 15:45:05 well, anyway I'll follow my usual policy not to investigate on unitary bugreports. 100% CND in the past Feb 15 15:46:12 I'll keep that on my mind though Feb 15 15:49:56 not even the exact hw-rev is stated (fix can be DIY) Feb 15 15:51:56 any tipps for me not to flush the input buffer on the usb console of uboot on my freerunner? Feb 15 15:52:33 if i simply copypaste using my mouse, i flush the input buffer. Feb 15 15:52:50 huh? Feb 15 15:53:18 i would like to add a boot parameter to my bootloader. Feb 15 15:53:59 so i start into nor bootloader menu, select usb console and try to edit the environment. Feb 15 15:54:54 niv: it's not so complicated. Feb 15 15:55:16 niv: start in NAND, as one normally would. Then plug in the USB connection -- /dev/ttyACM0 will appear on your host. Feb 15 15:55:42 niv: then use "neocon" to connect to it, specify a delay of 30ms or so to avoid lost characters. Feb 15 15:55:52 niv: that's all you have to do. Feb 15 16:02:31 docscrutinizer2: i think niv is the second reporter. Niv, can you confirm that _GSM_ activity influences SD? Feb 15 16:03:19 naah, don't do it pleeeease! ;D Feb 15 16:04:15 shit, so it rises severity Feb 15 16:04:39 PaulFertser_: well i can reproduce that if i boot from sd, then register gsm via zhone, log in via ssh on usb0 and turn on gprs then, i most certainly get input output errors on my freerunner Feb 15 16:04:56 niv, did YOU file a bug report yet? Feb 15 16:05:40 no i didn't.. Feb 15 16:05:56 because i thought i forgot something to test. Feb 15 16:06:44 niv: could you place ANOTHER phone radiating GSM next to FR and see if it causes same errors Feb 15 16:07:44 niv: do you have sdcard gps hw fix cap? Feb 15 16:07:54 yes i have the fix Feb 15 16:08:10 hmmm Feb 15 16:08:13 Self-applied? Feb 15 16:08:15 no Feb 15 16:08:19 it shipped with it Feb 15 16:08:29 i have that freerunner for about 4 weeks or so Feb 15 16:08:34 eeek scary Feb 15 16:08:35 Lucky Feb 15 16:08:50 hail to trisoft :) Feb 15 16:09:20 mh.. so i fetch another cellphone and place it next to FR? Feb 15 16:09:24 Yes Feb 15 16:09:30 mh.. let me think. Feb 15 16:09:51 Preferably if it can do some heavy GSM/GPRS activity Feb 15 16:11:09 niv: then start gprs or a call on that other phone, and while constantly reading from FR sdcard and checking for errors, move the antenna of the other phone along surface of FR Feb 15 16:11:26 docscrutinizer2: (not related but still) when i got my FR i tried to use it without SIM inserted first and SD didn't work reliably. I don't think it can be easily fixed in the next HW revision but probably some additional notice should be put for newcomers. Feb 15 16:12:09 no idea how THAT might come Feb 15 16:12:56 btw please notice: us developers most of the time use FR w/o sim Feb 15 16:13:06 PaulFertser_: i will try to dial the cell phone.. Feb 15 16:13:13 we don't even have a sufficient number Feb 15 16:13:40 fascinating... :) Feb 15 16:14:33 docscrutinizer2: i somehow knew about the issue (problems w/o SIM), so that means i've read it at community ML. And someone (Andy?) recently suggested on the ML to even place additional paper over SIM to ensure good contact. Feb 15 16:14:35 niv: be aware that cellphones stop transmitting during silence in call. so prolly you want to apply musik or radio audio at sufficient level Feb 15 16:14:48 *G* Feb 15 16:14:54 *giggle* Feb 15 16:15:00 ahh mechanical Feb 15 16:15:43 debian is still booting right now.. Feb 15 16:16:12 i haven't applied the bootloader options yet.. Feb 15 16:16:31 i will try to verify the gsm thing first.. if that is ok. Feb 15 16:17:20 sorry fellas, have to get up prior to further investigations Feb 15 16:17:25 :) Feb 15 16:17:28 bbl Feb 15 16:21:54 i had several find / on my fs Feb 15 16:22:27 and got my other cell phone called for about 2 minutes.. Feb 15 16:22:44 nothing.. Feb 15 16:23:24 i think the case is absorbing most of the external gsm activity Feb 15 16:23:36 or.. not absorbing.. Feb 15 16:23:56 protecting.. Feb 15 16:24:13 shielded :) Feb 15 16:24:16 It's plastic, shouldn't affect much... Feb 15 16:24:43 i have this invincible shield on it... but that shouldn't affect either. Feb 15 16:25:45 ok so i think, external gsm activity will not affect the sd card Feb 15 16:26:01 hmm.. does gprs work from shr-settings? Feb 15 16:26:22 nah, FR case isn't shielding Feb 15 16:26:41 invisibleshield also shouldn't affect things Feb 15 16:27:03 niv: u got mmcx ext gsm antenna? Feb 15 16:27:08 errks Feb 15 16:27:13 nevermind Feb 15 16:27:17 :) Feb 15 16:27:40 need a adapter for internal gsm ant jack Feb 15 16:27:41 so.. i will continue modifying bootloader config now? Feb 15 16:28:07 then could test with ext ant, removing radiation from FR body Feb 15 16:28:37 niv: Where are U located? Feb 15 16:28:52 docscrutinizer2: Germany, Karlsruhe Feb 15 16:28:57 Europe Feb 15 16:28:58 :) Feb 15 16:29:18 might manage to get an adapter to you Feb 15 16:29:25 mh.. Feb 15 16:29:26 :) Feb 15 16:30:25 niv: whas the failures from bat or charger hookup? Feb 15 16:30:59 docscrutinizer2: i think, at first it was only from battery Feb 15 16:31:07 but meanwhile, it doesn't matter. Feb 15 16:31:31 Thursday i was hooked up via usb and went fine.. Feb 15 16:31:43 niv: need to get a ext gsm ant to you Feb 15 16:31:46 until i pulled the cable. Feb 15 16:32:07 :) Feb 15 16:32:21 so i shall give you a shipping address? Feb 15 16:32:37 not now Feb 15 16:33:05 i'll come back with further requests, stay tuned ;) Feb 15 16:33:08 i will be in Karlsruhe until end of February... then i will be located in Esslingen. Feb 15 16:33:28 no difference. Nue here Feb 15 16:33:42 er "N" Feb 15 16:33:44 where are you located then? i am just curious :) Feb 15 16:34:07 nuernberg Feb 15 16:34:11 oh :) Feb 15 16:34:13 nice. Feb 15 16:34:52 well otoh theres this nasty cbit i promised never to visit again Feb 15 16:35:10 seems to be your direction Feb 15 16:35:52 general dir Feb 15 16:36:42 well, i will move back to esslingen in the first week of march.. Feb 15 16:36:46 niv: can you get a standard ext ant for gsm? I might send an adapter, but no ant Feb 15 16:36:56 mh.. Feb 15 16:36:57 i will try. Feb 15 16:37:09 i don't have something like that handy. Feb 15 16:38:11 I ruined all of mine? anyway cost ~5bucks Feb 15 16:38:34 s/?/!/ Feb 15 16:38:35 docscrutinizer2 meant: I ruined all of mine! anyway cost ~5bucks Feb 15 16:39:19 about 5 bucks.. Feb 15 16:39:20 mh.. Feb 15 16:40:12 autostummelantenne mit magnetfuss und paar meter kabel Feb 15 16:40:12 conrad starts them at about 30 EUR Feb 15 16:40:26 errks Feb 15 16:40:26 20 eur.. Feb 15 16:41:19 http://tinyurl.com/bmtdv2 <-- something like that. Feb 15 16:41:24 conrad takes 25bucks for a cat5 criptool you pay 3 bucks at decent shops Feb 15 16:41:54 the last one.. Feb 15 16:41:55 so conrad isn't alwys good reference Feb 15 16:42:00 mh.. Feb 15 16:43:17 i have one about 11 EUR Feb 15 16:43:32 ah more like it Feb 15 16:43:40 its one for a car.. Feb 15 16:43:47 yup Feb 15 16:44:03 magnet holder Feb 15 16:44:17 Hirschmann Magnethaftantenne MCA 18 90 MH,Dualband Feb 15 16:44:18 AMPS, GSM 900/1800/1900, UMTS Feb 15 16:44:23 sounds good Feb 15 16:44:31 though absolutely not mandatory Feb 15 16:44:51 yup Feb 15 16:44:55 perfect Feb 15 16:45:07 i will try to get that one. Feb 15 16:45:10 watch for plug anyway Feb 15 16:45:24 needs to fit adapter Feb 15 16:45:28 Kabel: RG 174, Feb 15 16:45:28 ca. 2,5 m, FME-Buchse Feb 15 16:45:58 got me, dunno whether it's FME at adapter Feb 15 16:46:16 docscrutinizer2: does gsm buzz fix really need to use lead-free tin? Feb 15 16:46:47 will be much easier to do decent solder joints Feb 15 16:46:56 docscrutinizer2: really? Feb 15 16:47:02 yup Feb 15 16:47:04 docscrutinizer2: i thought lead-free tin needed higher temperature Feb 15 16:47:13 exactly Feb 15 16:47:30 and you already got some leadfree at pad Feb 15 16:47:40 thats the point Feb 15 16:48:09 docscrutinizer2: ah and having different melting points is not nice? Feb 15 16:48:41 easy to burn lead at temp u need to melt the leadfree solder already found covering pad Feb 15 16:49:33 also if you mix the lead with leadfree, melting point rises. Your iron might stick to the pad Feb 15 16:50:10 ok... i will be away in about 10-20 for... most likely the rest of the evening.. Feb 15 16:50:18 if there is anything left.. just hilite me here. Feb 15 16:50:29 niv: np, thanks Feb 15 16:50:45 will come back to you next day Feb 15 16:50:55 ok, just shoot :) Feb 15 16:51:51 i am glad to have the whole wifi stuff working now Feb 15 16:52:14 niv: send me an email! Feb 15 16:52:15 gprs would be cool, too :) Feb 15 16:52:57 address please :) Feb 15 16:56:31 so long guys.. Feb 15 16:56:39 * niv waves Feb 15 17:16:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * reeaf7cb60194 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: Feb 15 17:16:07 freesmartphone.org: mickeyterm: add support for fso-abyss. Run the command Feb 15 17:16:07 freesmartphone.org: 'mickeyterm -p fso:0' to query the next free virtual channel, run Feb 15 17:16:07 freesmartphone.org: 'mickeyterm -p fso:' to query a concrete virtual channel. Feb 15 17:18:10 [2009-02-15 17:53:19] address please :) Feb 15 17:18:12 Duh Feb 15 17:18:23 joerg@om Feb 15 17:24:09 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc6056b69a762 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): otapi: fix status argument type in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.[Get]ReadyStatus Feb 15 17:38:31 Good day, Joerg :) Feb 15 17:39:06 not here anymore, I'm already out for a coffee ;) Feb 15 17:39:18 (wish I was) Feb 15 17:39:49 Aw, okay Feb 15 17:42:31 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r887300e34894 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): abyss now has a config file Feb 15 17:50:28 hello, anyone has idea where to find the default 2007 keyboard ? Feb 15 17:50:30 the numeric one Feb 15 17:50:43 (source) Feb 15 17:57:50 jc, multitap-pad? Feb 15 17:59:10 lindi-: ping? Feb 15 18:01:21 toggles_w: pong Feb 15 18:04:45 lindi-: what distro are you using? after the firmware update everything seems to have gone to crap Feb 15 18:04:56 :D Feb 15 18:05:05 Debian ftw! Feb 15 18:05:07 * toggles_w slaps dave witha wet panguin Feb 15 18:05:22 toggles_w: are you having issues with SHR? Feb 15 18:05:31 PaulFertser_: yessir! Feb 15 18:05:43 and fso, wont let me ssh into it Feb 15 18:05:47 :D Feb 15 18:05:55 * toggles_w slaps dave witha wet pEnguin Feb 15 18:06:21 toggles_w: how can gsm firmware interfere with usb? Feb 15 18:06:35 Evil GSM radiation! Feb 15 18:06:49 PaulFertser_: dunno, not really blaming the fso issue on the gsm, but both the dialar and sms apps in shr crash Feb 15 18:06:53 nucular wesssels? Feb 15 18:07:12 toggles_w: issues in SHR are being worked on Feb 15 18:07:26 PaulFertser_: they gsm related? Feb 15 18:07:51 toggles_w: yes, it appeared that ophonekitd mis-used fso. Feb 15 18:08:10 PaulFertser_: thanks, any timeline on a resolutuion? Feb 15 18:08:47 toggles_w: ask mrmoku, probably he's already testing the solution now ;) Feb 15 18:08:53 toggles_w: debian Feb 15 18:08:59 PaulFertser_: thanks Feb 15 18:09:04 debian debian debian Feb 15 18:09:11 toggles_w: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/status-reports/ has extensive version number info Feb 15 18:09:56 lindi-: thanks, crap, i can't get socat to work to test the firmware 'fix' for you Feb 15 18:10:20 toggles_w: did you already upgrade? Feb 15 18:11:09 lindi-: yeah, but shr wont install socat and i can't ssh to fso Feb 15 18:11:18 reinstalling fso now, will try again Feb 15 18:12:15 toggles_w: chroot to debian Feb 15 18:12:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r80d289822d2c 10/ (data/abyss.conf.sample src/multiplexer.vala src/server.vala): Feb 15 18:12:23 freesmartphone.org: abyss can now automatically open the 0710 session, when you request the first channel Feb 15 18:12:23 freesmartphone.org: _and_ have a valid configuration file specifying its parameters. Feb 15 18:12:23 freesmartphone.org: If requested via configuration file, then you can also autoclose the 0710 session, once Feb 15 18:12:25 toggles_w: or use something else than socat Feb 15 18:12:25 freesmartphone.org: the last channel gets released -- as well as program exit, once the session gets closed. Feb 15 18:12:39 vala vala vala Feb 15 18:12:58 *shivers* Feb 15 18:13:32 * Dave pokes leinir Feb 15 18:13:42 * leinir purrrs and pushes back... ;) Feb 15 18:13:56 Oh wait, not that kind of poke? ;) Feb 15 18:14:21 :D :D Feb 15 18:14:28 naughty leinirs Feb 15 18:15:33 been having the same problem with 2008.12 Feb 15 18:15:48 what kernel leinir? Feb 15 18:15:48 hello Feb 15 18:16:30 who try to install Android on the freerunner Feb 15 18:16:31 ? Feb 15 18:16:43 not me:) Feb 15 18:16:53 ok :) Feb 15 18:17:00 slaxxin: Dude, what's with the query? Feb 15 18:17:14 i think my freerunner don't like QI and android Feb 15 18:17:23 well im using mwesters kernel are u? Feb 15 18:17:28 i've only a black screen when booting Feb 15 18:17:45 Dude Feb 15 18:18:01 Yes, i am, but why are you /querying someone about something that very clearly belongs in channel? Feb 15 18:18:10 sorry Feb 15 18:18:23 26 lashes with a wet noodle Feb 15 18:18:43 This is supposed to be a community, yeah? Any answer that might be relevant to you is most likely relevant to someone else and thus needs to be made in public :) Feb 15 18:19:19 * Dave queries leinir Feb 15 18:19:24 EXcuse my stupidity please Feb 15 18:19:37 slaxxin: At least now you know for future reference :) Feb 15 18:19:43 We all start somewhere ;) Feb 15 18:19:44 it will certainly never happen again Feb 15 18:19:50 ;p Feb 15 18:20:11 Neo_user: have you read Qi wikipage? Feb 15 18:20:28 yes Feb 15 18:20:36 and i've follow the instruction Feb 15 18:21:02 Neo_user: do you see backlight lit? Feb 15 18:21:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r09fd818470bb 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): This is 0.3.0 Feb 15 18:21:18 but after the upload of Qi, reboot, i've only blackscreen Feb 15 18:21:18 Hey Paul :) Feb 15 18:21:46 Hey Dave :) Wanna explain to Neo_user why A is bad? ;) Feb 15 18:21:50 oh, and hey, lenier ;) Feb 15 18:21:55 Paul, heh, perhaps :) Feb 15 18:22:21 Neo_user: do you think Qi will show anything? Or kernel? Have you really understood the wiki page? Feb 15 18:22:23 I'm not entirely convinced it is the devil... but sure, in here it's somewhat blasphemous :p Feb 15 18:22:57 i've upload android image and rootfs too Feb 15 18:23:22 but it don't work Feb 15 18:23:28 Neo_user: can you confirm that the kernel is booting? If you're not sure, please go RTFM. Feb 15 18:23:45 sure kernel is no booting Feb 15 18:23:50 Neo_user: how you tell? Feb 15 18:23:59 sorry i've a very poor english Feb 15 18:24:09 i'm sure that the kernel is not booting Feb 15 18:24:14 Neo_user: why you decided that the kernel is not booting? Feb 15 18:24:40 because nothing appears after 10mn Feb 15 18:24:49 just a blackscreen Feb 15 18:25:04 Neo_user: until you read the fucking wikipage i won't try to help you, sorry. Feb 15 18:25:16 :X Feb 15 18:25:19 ... Feb 15 18:26:12 Dave: am i right? Why have to explain again and again something that is so obviously clear described at the wiki?.. Feb 15 18:26:45 True, unless there is specifics which they do not understand or require additional clarification for. Feb 15 18:27:16 Admittedly, the getting started with your neo freerunner page regarding the uBoot menu and flashing isn't entirely straightforward at all, especially for a noob. The NAND vs. NOR part is confusing. Feb 15 18:27:20 :) Feb 15 18:27:33 Dave: we're talking about Qi here ;) Feb 15 18:27:51 I think i've never read the "getting started" page. Feb 15 18:28:13 NAND vs. NOR? Feb 15 18:28:22 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07openmoko-gsoc2008 * r051a3659ee2c 10/fsod/src/subsystems/Device/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Start work on Audio + Gstreamer subsystem. Add internal ALSA scenario API to handle scenarios. WARNING: not tested Feb 15 18:29:09 :P Feb 15 19:05:46 lindi-: just wanted you to know that i solved my problem by using the openmoko kernel and modules :) thanks for your help yesterday Feb 15 19:09:19 bergelin: ok Feb 15 19:35:30 hey peoples Feb 15 19:35:36 got my old box up and running Feb 15 19:35:38 :) Feb 15 19:50:54 badcloud :) Feb 15 19:57:51 hey, Davo Feb 15 19:58:20 what's up? Feb 15 20:12:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rf15e3abf9f55 10/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Feb 15 20:12:28 freesmartphone.org: add handlers for GetSimReady and SimReady Feb 15 20:12:28 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Feb 15 20:12:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rfabe4ff0f79d 10/src/ogsmd/ (frameworkd-glib-ogsmd-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-ogsmd-dbus.h): Feb 15 20:12:32 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: rename BUS_PATH to GSMD_BUS_PATH Feb 15 20:12:34 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Feb 15 20:12:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * re90f7c208356 10/src/ousaged/ (2 files): Feb 15 20:12:38 freesmartphone.org: ousaged: rename BUS_PATH to OUSAGED_BUS_PATH Feb 15 20:12:40 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Feb 15 20:21:10 its the users that will ' in the end 'determine if this project makes it to mainstream Feb 15 20:21:28 like it or not Feb 15 20:38:27 hey Feb 15 20:39:01 what do I have to insert in /etc/network/interfaces so I can access usb0 in debian? Feb 15 20:40:24 slaxxin: which project? Feb 15 20:40:42 badcloud: I have this in my interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/28445/ Feb 15 20:48:00 still getting no "usb0" interface error Feb 15 20:48:00 err, device Feb 15 20:48:29 badcloud, i had the very same error, i fixed it by installing the openmoko kernel and modules Feb 15 20:48:44 (03:45:09 PM) badcloud: still getting no "usb0" interface error Feb 15 20:48:44 (03:45:17 PM) badcloud: err, device Feb 15 20:49:32 I'll come back later Feb 15 20:49:55 could you give me a link to some howto? Feb 15 20:50:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#Kernel Feb 15 20:50:18 see openmoko way Feb 15 20:51:09 thanks. I'll try it out on a rainy day Feb 15 20:51:14 later Feb 15 20:51:16 /exit Feb 15 20:51:20 hmmm... Feb 15 21:08:56 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r87def6398fd2 10/src/ (9 files): Feb 15 21:08:56 freesmartphone.org: You should instantiate your classes if you want to use it! Feb 15 21:08:56 freesmartphone.org: Done. Feb 15 21:08:56 freesmartphone.org: remove unused files Feb 15 21:12:51 hi there, can someone give me a hint on how to get gps working?! I just received my FR and got the 2008.9 image installed. (the gps bug should be removed, but i removed my memory card just to make sure... i dont know)... Feb 15 21:13:35 (some minutes ago I even left my house to make sure its not because of anything inside the walls that might block the signal) Feb 15 21:14:19 herby: 2008.9 uses 'gpsd'? Feb 15 21:14:40 lindi-: I dont know. how can i find out? Feb 15 21:14:51 (there's no shell...) Feb 15 21:15:28 herby: ah, you need to get shell :) Feb 15 21:15:51 herby: check the wiki for usb networking instructions first? i think you need to reboot once for ssh keys to be generated Feb 15 21:16:20 okay... I thought GPS would be available out of the box... :-/ Feb 15 21:16:41 yeah, so I will have to connect it via usb finally anyways... :) Feb 15 21:16:43 thanks. Feb 15 21:18:51 herby: let me know when you have ssh working Feb 15 21:20:12 okay. Feb 15 21:30:08 lindi-: can you tell me why I can ping the FR but I cannot ssh it (no route to host) didnt find anything at the wiki... (sure I could search the net instead of asking you - but that would take more time... ) Feb 15 21:30:31 (sometimes it can be better to just ask someone for help...) Feb 15 21:30:33 :) Feb 15 21:30:40 herby: how does tcpdump output differ in those two cases? Feb 15 21:31:38 (installing tcpdump... never used it before... so. I dont know.) Feb 15 21:32:37 herby: alternatively you could just put output of "route -n" online somewhere and see if we can guess the problem Feb 15 21:34:15 http://rafb.net/p/1qQYku12.html this is what tcpdump showed me... Feb 15 21:35:03 oh... i guess its because my internet connection has the same subnet :-/ Feb 15 21:35:10 its 192.168.0.xxx Feb 15 21:35:11 herby: very good guess Feb 15 21:35:23 (didnt notice while typing.. Feb 15 21:35:24 ) Feb 15 21:35:52 herby: however, why does ping work? Feb 15 21:36:10 hmm I cant set the netconfig on the FR to another value... can I ? :) Feb 15 21:36:36 (guess I got to change my router values then..) Feb 15 21:36:47 herby: surely you can Feb 15 21:36:52 herby: i have it at 192.168.4.0/24 Feb 15 21:37:37 any new OM coming out soon? with bugfixes? Feb 15 21:37:37 I havent found any menu entry at the FR (settings), where do I change thar? Feb 15 21:37:39 that? Feb 15 21:38:13 herby: "grep -r 192.168.0.200 /etc" to find out where it is configured Feb 15 21:38:38 herby: (I'm running different distro now) Feb 15 21:39:26 lindi-: ... oohh.. yes.../etc/interfaces.. but I only have the preinstalled image 2008.9 on the FR and no shell or something... never connected it to my comp before... so I guess I have to change my router values... :-/ Feb 15 21:40:14 herby: yeah change it temporarily Feb 15 21:40:34 herby: or: change it in the image on your PC and then reflash the image Feb 15 21:46:12 nice idea... how long does it take to flash the image? Feb 15 21:46:46 herby: can't remember accurately since i haven't done that for a long time. 8-16 minutes maybe Feb 15 21:47:33 oh okay,... then i will do it with the router...config... I will install debian in the next days anyways ;) Feb 15 21:47:40 (debian rulez :p ) Feb 15 21:48:20 herby: unfortunately there are still kernel, gsmd and X issues that hunt all distributions Feb 15 21:48:55 (maybe i should have written *gsmd since i run ogsmd which is part of frameworkd) Feb 15 21:49:39 yes have heard so already... I dont understand why theres not only one distribution and everyone installs the wanted programms oder the wanted config files.... (at least no different drivers are needed..) Feb 15 21:49:54 (so there wouldnt be different distros anymore..) Feb 15 21:52:45 herby: there are many theories. note that the first device had only 64 M of flash. no way to put debian there Feb 15 21:54:07 but didnt the first device has a sd card slot too? Feb 15 21:54:15 (i dont know...) Feb 15 21:56:17 herby: sure but maybe they did not see it as an option to put the main OS there Feb 15 22:11:14 Hi Lindi- now I got my FR connected via ssh... :) (my name was herby some minutes before) Feb 15 22:11:38 Hello all! Feb 15 22:11:58 herbert: good, now you can "ps axuf" and see if "gsmd" is running Feb 15 22:12:12 ahh right.. Feb 15 22:12:17 It's been a couple months since I last flashed my phone. I think I put FDOM on it. What's the best general purpose real world use phone distro to load these days? Feb 15 22:12:28 I might also want to do some light custom development on it. Feb 15 22:12:44 lindi-: yes - gpsd is running... (not good?!) Feb 15 22:12:59 herbert: good, that should be talking to gps Feb 15 22:13:14 herbert: can you "netcat localhost gpsd"? Feb 15 22:14:20 lindi-: when I start the included gps application calle "location" I always get the message "error unable to locate a fix" although I waited about half an hour it couldt get a fix. Feb 15 22:14:44 (in the wiki is mentioned that it takes 10min and longer if its the first time..) Feb 15 22:15:47 herbert: lets talk to gpsd manualyl Feb 15 22:16:29 lindi-: sounds nice,... is there a howto for that? (I never have used gps before) Feb 15 22:16:49 http://www.fosdem.org/2009/schedule/events/debian_openmoko does this mean eveyone is moving from oe? Feb 15 22:16:53 herbert: 'man gpsd' documents the one-letter commands Feb 15 22:16:58 herbert: P gives your position Feb 15 22:17:05 herbert: D current date Feb 15 22:17:25 lindi-: thanks a lot !! Feb 15 22:17:33 herbert: y gives you signal strengths of all satellites Feb 15 22:20:23 lindi-: wow.. gpsd isnt running ! :) I thought it would, but now I see that my command " ps -aux | grep gpsd" only found 'itself' running ... Feb 15 22:21:00 (trying to "find / -name gpsd) Feb 15 22:21:53 So... Can anyone in here read simplified chinese? I have this png graphic of chinese, and I don't read chinese... Could someone translate it for me by any chance? Feb 15 22:22:36 damn, zhone to the rescue again... Feb 15 22:22:40 herbert: is gpsd installed? Feb 15 22:23:57 honestly.. I dont know ... Feb 15 22:24:27 (but maybe not - because I cannot call "man gpsd" , but I cannot call "man man" either :-/ ) Feb 15 22:24:59 and I guess that I have to use the portforwarding script (iptables) to get the internetconnection for the FR .... hmm. Feb 15 22:34:35 herbert: opkg list_installed or something? Feb 15 22:34:51 herbert: i'm not sure if om2008.2 does man pages Feb 15 22:36:40 lindi-: I did "opkg list_installed | grep 'gpsd' " and ...no. not installed. Feb 15 22:38:12 stupid thing that I somehow cannot install new software because I got no internet connection ...although I did the iptables postrouting and masquerading thing from the wiki ( from the FR i cannot ping google for example) Feb 15 22:39:21 I guess the portforwarding doesnt really work on my linuxbox.. Feb 15 22:49:25 lindi-: eehm.. thanks for your help again, now I just found this ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_GPS ) so I guess I will go off this channel I start to read, so I dont ask things which are already answered or explained in the wiki :) Feb 15 22:49:37 herbert: heh Feb 15 22:50:05 herbert: beware that wiki still has some outdated pages Feb 15 22:50:22 oh... okay... Feb 15 22:51:30 but as I dont have the gpsd installed... I have to install it first to test gps (why dont the install gpsd from factory...) the openmoko location programm doesnt even tell me that gpsd isnt installed! Feb 15 22:52:18 (first I got to get the iptables forwarding and masquerading script working... to get some internet for the FR) Feb 15 23:11:05 freesmartphone.org: 03timo.lindfors 07framework * r0e9c3b83c01c 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: Feb 15 23:11:05 freesmartphone.org: apply workaround for Feb 15 23:11:05 freesmartphone.org: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571890 Feb 15 23:11:05 freesmartphone.org: that causes frameworkd to print Feb 15 23:11:07 freesmartphone.org: ppp error: "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable\n" Feb 15 23:11:09 freesmartphone.org: every time a GPRS connection is started. Feb 15 23:13:36 hi, I'm trying to make debian run by default when I turn my FR on, but all I see is a white screen that fades out and then the FR reboots. If my usb cable is plugged in, then it gets locked at the OpenMoko screen (before the kernel gets loaded) Feb 15 23:14:22 the boot partition is ext2 (used to be fat, but I changed it) Feb 15 23:14:26 any suggestions? Feb 15 23:18:48 juhuu :) got internet on my FR :) Feb 15 23:19:16 oh no :( just thought so ... *sigh* Feb 15 23:24:27 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r0c47ceb0b38c 10/mickeyterm/TODO: update TODO Feb 15 23:38:20 mickeyl: todo: update todo?? *giggle* Feb 15 23:38:58 mickeyl: recursion -> see recursion Feb 15 23:39:57 :D Feb 15 23:41:05 hi Feb 15 23:41:15 is there sb who can help me with my problem? Feb 15 23:41:32 I'm pretty sure this is something 'common', but I cannot figure out a solution Feb 15 23:41:34 mickeyl: how's FSO loading alsa scenarios atm? exec "alsactl" ? Feb 15 23:41:50 I lack some basic skills on communicating with my FR and debugging boot problems Feb 15 23:42:31 err, syscall() prolly, not exec Feb 15 23:43:12 yes, via alsactl Feb 15 23:43:15 mickeyl: enyway, is "alsactl" hardcoded? Feb 15 23:44:21 could you consider renaming this to some "generic" name and provide a script/executable that actually calls alsactl Feb 15 23:44:56 what for? Feb 15 23:45:41 the script would basically be a 2liner for now: shebang plus "alsactl $@" Feb 15 23:46:23 i can do that although it's not necessary, since you can achieve the same by modifying a .py file (cleartext) Feb 15 23:46:34 what do you want to achieve at the end of the day? Feb 15 23:46:42 (what for) to replace clumsy alsastate by a more virtuous concept Feb 15 23:46:54 ah, i figured that Feb 15 23:47:04 it's not compiled code, just change the line for now Feb 15 23:47:10 i will tell you where Feb 15 23:47:43 /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py Feb 15 23:48:12 in lines 316 Feb 15 23:48:17 and 341 Feb 15 23:48:26 there you can assemble your cmdline as you need Feb 15 23:48:27 if that's ok for you, basically. for now I can get away with placing my own alsactl script somewhere early in the path (if that's no FQN in FSO) Feb 15 23:50:55 or even rename alsactl to *_orig Feb 15 23:53:26 mickeyl: what do you think about the idea to put some work into that in general? Feb 15 23:54:55 mickeyl: I mustn't ask "what do you think of my concept" as I'm still about to plumb sth together that avoids some of alsastate drawbacks Feb 15 23:55:58 we thought quite some time about this Feb 15 23:56:19 basic idea being mixersettings aka scenarios aren't mutually exclusive but rather kinda additive Feb 15 23:56:24 we were planning to do something such as incremental changes Feb 15 23:56:32 diff's to states Feb 15 23:56:35 with resource locks Feb 15 23:56:51 yup kinda like that Feb 15 23:57:08 just setting needed controlls via amixer Feb 15 23:57:24 using full scenarios seems overkill Feb 15 23:57:30 locking each single control Feb 15 23:57:31 combinorical explosion for states Feb 15 23:57:35 so Feb 15 23:57:39 i think this work is much appreciated Feb 15 23:57:42 exactly Feb 15 23:57:50 hi i have the fso distro installed and can ssh to it but it can't access the internet can anyone help? Feb 15 23:58:11 imagine recording a phonecall Feb 15 23:59:18 can we add inotify on the states? i copied a statefile into the directory but i had to restart the frameworkd Feb 16 00:00:06 statefiles will vanish completely Feb 16 00:00:13 so no inotify Feb 16 00:00:46 Just sent my first attempt at fixing kernel Oopses on sound modules unloading. Yay! :) Feb 16 00:01:06 keeewl man! Feb 16 00:02:01 broonie didn't make it then? Feb 16 00:02:20 Probably he never unloads his beloved modules ;) Feb 16 00:02:29 lol Feb 16 00:03:18 I haven't even tried to solve the oops on recording, but this unloading excercise was necessary anyway and i got familiar with the soc-sound subsystem. Feb 16 00:03:46 mickeyl: could you point me tonanother codeline, where ringtone playback device is opened, please? Feb 16 00:04:08 that's more complicated Feb 16 00:04:12 we are using gstreamer Feb 16 00:04:19 with the alsasink Feb 16 00:04:28 docscrutinizer2: in case you need it or missed it: the easy way to understand kernel without grepping: http://rswiki.csie.org/lxr/http/ident Feb 16 00:04:40 nothing wrong with this i think Feb 16 00:05:08 so probably another syscall() Feb 16 00:05:22 Ok, gotta sleep now :-/ Good night everybody :) Feb 16 00:05:23 much more complicated Feb 16 00:05:26 see the same file Feb 16 00:05:31 class GStreamerPlayer Feb 16 00:05:54 PaulFertser_: n8 & thnx Feb 16 00:05:56 line 242 is where the pipeline gets constructed Feb 16 00:06:10 might be possible to attach options to the alsasink Feb 16 00:06:14 if you want a custom device Feb 16 00:06:24 in that case just add options in line 242 Feb 16 00:06:24 ok, will find my way starting there Feb 16 00:06:44 that's what I expected ;) Feb 16 00:16:20 mickeyl: sorry another question ;] Who's handling JACK-INSERT? Feb 16 00:17:18 a combination of odeviced, oeventsd and our rules Feb 16 00:17:26 errks Feb 16 00:17:29 have a look at /etc/freesmartphone/oeventsd/rules.yaml Feb 16 00:17:36 ok Feb 16 00:17:58 there you see the rule that connects a trigger (jack inserted) to an action (amixer command) Feb 16 00:18:30 ok, probably I'm only interested in the particular action anyway Feb 16 00:19:03 mickeyl: hanks a lot Feb 16 00:19:09 Thanks Feb 16 00:19:21 np, all the best. it's a daunting task, but very welcome! Feb 16 00:20:35 nah, ALSA itself is daunting, but I was urged to learn a little bit about it the last 2 years. So I feel quite eager to tackle that Feb 16 00:22:02 excellent Feb 16 00:40:08 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rb03b110b2307 10/src/ (main.vala server.vala): explicitly destruct server object Feb 16 01:09:43 what frequency are you intending to broadcast on tty? Feb 16 01:09:45 err Feb 16 01:23:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * rf23345d38aec 10/src/channel.vala: Feb 16 01:23:26 freesmartphone.org: create pty object once the channel is being requested Feb 16 01:23:26 freesmartphone.org: (actual opening will happen after ACK) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 02:59:58 2009