**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 02:59:58 2009 Feb 16 03:25:57 latest shr Feb 16 04:11:03 shouldnt shr have sound for the phone? Feb 16 04:11:39 it dials an stuff but i cant hear thr ringing in me earp[iece Feb 16 04:20:19 ..it does.. Feb 16 04:20:40 i get no sound Feb 16 04:21:00 latest kernel Feb 16 04:21:22 feb 15 image Feb 16 04:22:00 maybe i should back up on the kernel? Feb 16 04:23:37 music plays but i cant hear anything Feb 16 04:24:44 do u have the r-3 or the r-2 kernel? Feb 16 04:25:10 r3 r2 Feb 16 04:29:18 if music plays and you dont hear it is it really playing? Feb 16 04:29:30 stone out on that one for a min Feb 16 04:37:29 no its not Feb 16 04:37:52 kd8 u using shr? Feb 16 04:51:32 fyp_213_GTA02.jffs2 Feb 16 05:29:24 ooo yea its fast Feb 16 05:30:00 my sound still wont work this is bad sign Feb 16 05:34:23 debian with fso thats nice Feb 16 05:35:53 it set the time an date auto Feb 16 05:36:32 fits Feb 16 05:51:25 bah this happens in shr in that fyp, the icon for txt(msgs) is greyed out all the time Feb 16 05:51:32 shar and fyp* Feb 16 05:51:36 SHR********* Feb 16 07:08:34 hello folks :) Feb 16 08:24:54 hi, I cannot update opkg because there is no signature on the servers: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.sig Feb 16 08:26:20 morning guys. Feb 16 08:27:29 morning niv Feb 16 08:27:51 xivulon: what distro? Feb 16 08:28:21 openmoko testing Feb 16 08:28:43 OM200x.x or FSO? Feb 16 08:28:44 basically there are no *.sig files on the servers, on any repository as far as I can see Feb 16 08:28:53 OM200x Feb 16 08:29:09 is FSO in a usable state by the way? Feb 16 08:29:10 ok if I remember correctly it will error on the sigs but it will not affect the actual update Feb 16 08:29:33 somewhat but not fully, SHR is the best frontend currently but is still not even official beta IIRC Feb 16 08:30:16 projektdotnet, phx Feb 16 08:31:09 xivulon: phx? Feb 16 08:31:41 every distro except qtopia has some thing where i can't send sms, and qtopia has the dupe sms's Feb 16 08:31:42 grr Feb 16 08:31:59 my FR hates me Feb 16 08:33:00 ColdFyre: what happens when you attempt to send the SMS? Feb 16 08:33:15 thanks Feb 16 08:34:04 xivulon: you're welcome Feb 16 08:38:15 projektdotnet: in like shr/fso, the icon is always greyed out Feb 16 08:39:35 ColdFyre: I've seen mine take upwards of 10 min to show up Feb 16 08:39:50 ColdFyre: I'm using US t-mobile Feb 16 08:39:53 i waited an hour or so :) Feb 16 08:40:01 i'm using us att Feb 16 08:40:09 ColdFyre: try the latest shr unstable as of today Feb 16 08:40:19 i did, same result Feb 16 08:40:26 the feb 15 build Feb 16 08:41:02 ColdFyre: then show me (or some dev) ogsmd debug log and ophonekitd output Feb 16 08:42:08 ColdFyre: as an alternative, try to use Zhone to separate frameworkd problems from ophonekitd. Feb 16 08:42:08 alrighty, won't be tonight though Feb 16 08:42:22 PaulFertser_: Has SHR upgraded to FSO M5 for the framwork? Feb 16 08:42:39 projektdotnet: SHR unstable uses FSO HEAD master branch. Feb 16 08:43:04 PaulFertser_: so it is even newer than M5 essentially Feb 16 08:43:09 Yes Feb 16 08:46:12 sweet Feb 16 08:47:11 I saw that the new milestone of FSO actually had a LOT of improvement over M4 so I'm looking forward to seeing a completed framework running the SHR Feb 16 08:51:21 M7 is world domination Feb 16 08:51:38 ColdFyre: lol! Feb 16 08:51:57 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/milestone/milestone7 Feb 16 08:53:10 ColdFyre: that's hilarious Feb 16 08:54:08 i'm glad people have a sense of humor :) Feb 16 08:54:48 indeed, I have my start splash as the OM2008 and FSO walk into a bar joke Feb 16 09:33:47 good morning Feb 16 09:34:40 morning Feb 16 09:36:33 morning Feb 16 09:37:07 how hard would it be to make open moko run on an arm 926? Feb 16 09:39:59 JViz`: and by "open moko" you mean what? Feb 16 09:40:40 the software Feb 16 09:40:46 JViz`: which one? ;) Feb 16 09:40:54 the operating system Feb 16 09:41:22 it's a linux cross build, right? Feb 16 09:42:07 JViz`: there is no "open moko" operating system at all. Some distributions for openmoko (hardware) are based on OE, some use Debian. Feb 16 09:42:56 <[df]> JViz`: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions Feb 16 09:43:43 thank you Feb 16 09:45:59 how much different is the arm 926EJ-S from the 920T? Feb 16 09:47:42 JViz`: if you have a working kernel for your CPU, then it doesn't matter. Feb 16 09:49:08 how do i know whether it will work or not? Feb 16 09:49:10 JViz`: the main differences are in integrated features, because OM phones use SoC that integrates much more than single arm core. Feb 16 09:49:32 ah, ok Feb 16 09:50:28 JViz`: my guess is that all arm9 cores are supported by mainline Linux. But the particular chip in question can require more work to get interrupts/dma/suspend/whatever you need right. Feb 16 09:51:32 yay! :) Feb 16 10:06:46 Hi, Feb 16 10:06:55 I create a new gsmmuxd for android Feb 16 10:07:04 at the end Feb 16 10:17:32 oi Feb 16 10:17:35 new distro Feb 16 10:17:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Fyp Feb 16 10:22:18 Yet another distro, which is _NOT_ a distro. Feb 16 10:22:55 :) Feb 16 10:23:14 And when will people realise that pumping out distro's en masse is no solution at all. Feb 16 10:24:08 Use an existing, make compatible, improve where possible, and turn it distro agnostic. Oh well. Lost cause. Feb 16 10:24:44 *G* Feb 16 10:25:02 i will create a distro, too. called "nix" *duck&cover* Feb 16 10:25:15 You nix. Feb 16 10:25:25 I nix, You Nix... Feb 16 10:25:35 Wee-nix Feb 16 10:25:38 i see you all are in a good mood today Feb 16 10:25:45 Yush :) Feb 16 10:25:56 They-nix Feb 16 10:25:57 mh.. Feb 16 10:25:58 besides there is no distro working so far Feb 16 10:26:19 well, that one sounds interesting.. Feb 16 10:26:29 So why create 10 new ones that only work for 50%? Feb 16 10:26:36 i have debian on an 8 GB shdc and lxde .. Feb 16 10:26:45 Why create phy, instead of improving the current Debian one? Feb 16 10:26:57 why not Feb 16 10:26:58 ? Feb 16 10:27:03 And how, explain me.. how is putting on a new WM/DM a new distro? Feb 16 10:27:12 *G* Feb 16 10:27:25 well, the key feature of that is probably, that it fits on the NAND flash. Feb 16 10:27:30 I installed Debian on the openmoko and removed xfce and matchbox and put openbox on it.. should i call that a new distro? Feb 16 10:27:34 debian does not. Feb 16 10:27:49 laen, if you package it for users of openmoko Feb 16 10:28:00 No what you did was create a slimmer version of debian, it's still debian ffs. Feb 16 10:28:08 besides you don't need to be so cut up on the issue Feb 16 10:28:19 Mwah. Feb 16 10:28:24 if no one wants to help you on your distro Feb 16 10:28:27 :D Feb 16 10:28:43 maybe if it worked Feb 16 10:28:50 you would get more interest Feb 16 10:28:50 What worked? Feb 16 10:28:54 * enriko is joking Feb 16 10:29:07 Debian works. And Phy is still Debian. No discussion there. Feb 16 10:29:16 yeah ok Feb 16 10:29:20 have a nice day Feb 16 10:29:24 Thank you :) Feb 16 10:29:41 this goog mood thing... is it infectious? Feb 16 10:29:46 :) Feb 16 10:29:52 I dunno i'm in quite a good mood :) Feb 16 10:30:02 * enriko farts Feb 16 10:30:08 But people calling everything a distro nowadays should get that idea burned down to the ground :P Feb 16 10:30:34 thanks for pointing out that relevant aspect Feb 16 10:30:41 You're welcome :) Feb 16 10:32:16 well, you can create a fvwm config and build a few tools around that and call it another window manager.. Feb 16 10:32:16 :) Feb 16 10:32:16 so what? :) Feb 16 10:32:16 It's like not calling my bedroom bedroom anymore cause i painted it another color, and now calling it Xroom, cause it's not a bedroom but still is. Feb 16 10:32:16 *G* Feb 16 10:32:16 Oo Feb 16 10:32:16 this is really intelligent comments Feb 16 10:32:16 :p Feb 16 10:32:16 congratulations Feb 16 10:32:16 where's the source for fyp? Feb 16 10:32:16 Debian pure blend... Feb 16 10:32:16 why calling knoppix knoppix? is debian Feb 16 10:32:16 why ubuntu? isn't it debian? Feb 16 10:32:20 Ubuntu isn't debian indeed. Feb 16 10:32:23 and so on Feb 16 10:32:26 yeah right Feb 16 10:32:30 * enriko farts Feb 16 10:32:37 because klaus knopper modified it and pushed it on a cd :) Feb 16 10:32:37 Knoppix is a livecd. Feb 16 10:32:44 hahahah Feb 16 10:32:51 And indeed modified heavily. you just got another WM/DM/ Feb 16 10:32:58 laen: but if they break debian policies enough i don't think it is good to call them debian Feb 16 10:33:12 True :) Feb 16 10:33:16 laen: i don't think debian has ever distributed hard disk images Feb 16 10:33:50 centos is just another modified redhat linux... Feb 16 10:33:51 :) Feb 16 10:33:54 It's like a talk i went to about NanoBSD. In the end it turned out it was just a shell script installing FreeBSD for ya. Feb 16 10:33:59 True :) Feb 16 10:34:54 niv: but centos does not distribute images of somebody's system either :) Feb 16 10:35:11 hehe, true. Feb 16 10:36:35 mh.. so you could call it another distro, if maintenance is different? Feb 16 10:39:29 Niche! Feb 16 10:39:32 debian used to (still does?) distribute rootfs tarballs Feb 16 10:39:42 catsup: nope, that was some user Feb 16 10:39:54 base.tar or something Feb 16 10:41:09 dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/base2_2.tgz <-- at some point Feb 16 10:45:37 catsup: found it. http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/base2_2.tgz Feb 16 10:49:41 catsup: i think one important difference is though that it is a minimal image for those that can't run the installer. isn't phy shipping with installed userland apps? Feb 16 10:50:09 fyp Feb 16 10:51:28 I'd call it a metadistribution. Feb 16 10:52:37 But still simply a few patches and preinstalled software with some configfile settings. Feb 16 10:52:52 And then you're running Debian :) Feb 16 10:55:47 i wonder how much space on the NAND flash is left for additional software then. Feb 16 10:57:00 anyway, i appreciate that you chose lxde for that... good choice imho Feb 16 10:58:02 Oh the guy left the channel in anger :P Feb 16 11:02:20 But well, the whole idea about my rant here was that this is the problem of openmoko and why it simply doesn't succeed. There still is no real working distro.. well there's FSO, and there's Debian, those two are the big players. But instead of people putting their effort into improving those two, they just make one "distro" after another. It's simply getting worse and worse. Feb 16 11:03:01 laen: FSO is just an OE image, Debian is debian integrating FSO. I can't see what's wrong there. Feb 16 11:03:15 laen: well, fyp should just publish the script that is used to create the image they distribute Feb 16 11:03:20 laen: soon SHR will be built from the same OE image as FSO too. Feb 16 11:03:53 PaulFertser_: yeah SHR is an extension of FSO indeed. Feb 16 11:04:01 lindi-: i agree :) Feb 16 11:04:03 laen: paroli are integrated in FSO too. Feb 16 11:05:01 laen: the only real "other" distros are Hackable:1 (Debian with other telephony stack) and PyNeo (OE with other telephony stack). Feb 16 11:05:28 PaulFertser_: but why have separate distro for different telephone stack? Feb 16 11:06:18 lindi-: i think Hackable doesn't really have a separate distro, just custom apt sources. I don't know for sure about that one. Feb 16 11:06:20 well, maintenance is diffierent :) Feb 16 11:06:29 different even. Feb 16 11:06:36 I agree with you PaulFertser_. lindi-: no idea, but hackable:1 isn't free either right? Feb 16 11:07:10 laen: i think they have improved a lot although their packages afaik still don't meet debian policy Feb 16 11:07:24 lindi-: i think you, and i too, just would love to see effort bundled to create something open.. other people just want fame and phatz it seems from an open device. Feb 16 11:07:32 lindi-: as to pyneo -- i don't know how close to upstream OE they are, i bet pretty close and can switch easily. I tried it on Debian without any significiant distro issues. Feb 16 11:07:55 pyneo is the whole python thing right? Feb 16 11:08:16 certainly sounded interesting, never really looked deep into it or tried. Feb 16 11:08:18 laen: yes, FSO is like pyneo. Feb 16 11:08:58 laen: pyneo is middleware, framework. Some apps use it, i.e. epydial. Feb 16 11:09:06 Aaah. Feb 16 11:09:36 laen: 'deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian unstable main deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main deb http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main' Feb 16 11:09:46 laen: is the sources.list of the fyp image Feb 16 11:11:50 sounds familar Feb 16 11:12:05 lindi-: obvious :P Feb 16 11:12:14 lindi-: so, thats debian. =) Feb 16 11:14:14 laen: now the question is, how is the zhone theme modified? Feb 16 11:15:38 * lindi- is trying to extra some personal info from the file image :P Feb 16 11:18:07 lindi-: oh that shouldn't be hard, the background is simply a png image afaik Feb 16 11:18:33 and the bar he uses is openmoko-panel-plugin Feb 16 11:18:37 laen: yes but have they modified /usr outside package management? Feb 16 11:18:55 lindi-: i dare to put money into it that he didn't. Feb 16 11:19:14 I mean, that on an update i bet you get the default theme again. Feb 16 11:20:44 laen: lindi- what's your point? It's debian, okay, you don't like that someone calls it a distribution, okay, then what? Feb 16 11:21:18 rhkfin: my point is that they should provide the script that was used to create the image Feb 16 11:22:11 lindi-: ok Feb 16 11:24:15 laen might have other points :) Feb 16 11:25:37 laen: they seem to have .bash_history there Feb 16 11:25:53 laen: nano /usr/share/python-support/fso-frameworkd/framework/subsystems/odeviced/idlenotifier.py Feb 16 11:32:21 rhkfin: same as what lindi- said, besides that it simply isn't a distro, they should just give back to the community/debian/the FSO team instead. Feb 16 11:43:50 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r6f74f4e55752 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: add Cinterion mc75i commands to command-line-completion and make it a set Feb 16 13:50:52 Hello there, is it there any chance for VIM on SHR unstable? Thank you Feb 16 14:53:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jbvNj5EphA Feb 16 14:57:15 http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_144398.asp Feb 16 14:57:20 http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_144398.asp Feb 16 15:01:11 plz tell what's behind the link.. People with mobile devices / not broadband might not want to open every link you post here.. Feb 16 15:09:28 I'll open it for you, rhkfin Feb 16 15:09:50 Defeat Firearms Bill HR 45 << that's the title of the news article apparently Feb 16 15:10:14 sth about firearms becoming illegal in the usa when the owner doesn't meet requirements or so Feb 16 15:10:18 Sounds like Openmoko indeed :) Feb 16 15:10:24 :D Feb 16 15:11:04 You need to meet some requirements to be allowed to own Freerunner.. Feb 16 15:11:24 ;) Feb 16 15:11:56 tried the debian fyp last night Feb 16 15:12:06 had no sound Feb 16 15:12:25 tried latest SHR last night had no sound Feb 16 15:13:21 put 2008.12 back on with mwesters lastest kernel sound works Feb 16 15:14:10 whats up with that? Feb 16 15:15:16 2008.12 >> fyp & shr :) Feb 16 15:15:25 (no, that's not what I think..) Feb 16 15:19:26 Tegra 600 Feb 16 15:20:06 at present ,, thats what i think Feb 16 15:20:43 the bytestore image is very good Feb 16 15:21:17 Tegra's APX 2600 chip Feb 16 15:22:01 http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090216/tc_pcworld/googlenvidiabringingandroidtotegrachips Feb 16 15:23:06 omg. could someone please tell the agencies that A is not Open? Feb 16 15:24:16 but that chip is --correct? Feb 16 15:26:16 dunno Feb 16 15:26:41 might be in enough mass to get the price down low enough for openmoko to purchase them cheap Feb 16 15:33:39 ahoi Feb 16 15:37:33 yo Feb 16 16:29:35 hmm, is anyone running the latest SHR images? mine is now coming up with no sim card present, I have tried reseating and cleaning the sim with no joy Feb 16 16:33:03 tig|: be a little more precice which image image you mean? latest lite unstable from today? Feb 16 16:33:17 unstable full from today Feb 16 16:33:45 with latest kernel from today Feb 16 16:35:32 the last full unstable is from 09-Feb-2009, i'm running the lite version of that with no problems Feb 16 16:37:29 hmm i had that problem als once with the shr unstable from 09-02 tig| Feb 16 16:37:43 but only after i installed like 50 things and rebooted Feb 16 16:37:54 i reflashed and since then it always works Feb 16 16:41:55 Zorkman: hmm I will reflash again then :) as I using the 9th Feb one Feb 16 16:42:03 what is openmoko? Feb 16 16:42:09 will try the light one Feb 16 16:42:34 loqez: hope, dreams, pain and suffering Feb 16 16:42:39 loqez: openmoko.org ; openmoko.com Feb 16 16:43:03 and a buzzing noise on phonecalls :P Feb 16 16:46:33 :o Feb 16 16:47:19 ello Dave Feb 16 16:49:30 thanks Feb 16 18:25:12 so, in illume on debian, only the first few characters of the program name are displayed under the launcher icon, followed by a ... Feb 16 18:25:24 e17/illume as built from svn I should say Feb 16 18:25:42 but I've noticed on shr that the full name is displayed, sometimes taking two lines Feb 16 18:25:50 any ideas where to fix that in the theme or e17 settings? Feb 16 19:27:21 http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/2520711/ Feb 16 19:31:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * r0f64979a11d6 10/ (ChangeLog configure.ac): release as 0.2.0 Feb 16 19:38:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r7134620d6b21 10/docs/ogsmd/cinteron/modem: start documenting cinterion specifics Feb 16 19:41:24 lalalala Feb 16 20:14:54 HI Feb 16 20:15:20 Ho can I avoid the display to be dimmed in FSO M5? Feb 16 20:15:58 the idledim param in frameworkd.conf does not show any impact Feb 16 20:54:41 balrog-kun: ping Feb 16 20:56:46 what's for dinner? Feb 16 21:07:46 hi, is it possible to use the iptables command as mentioned in the wiki (usb networking http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_with_iptables ) to forward packages to another subnet (router ip is 192.168.1.1) ? Feb 16 21:08:37 sure Feb 16 21:09:24 it should be sufficient to just modify the --to-destination Feb 16 21:09:55 oh okay... I'm not so into iptables.. long time since I last used it.. Feb 16 21:09:58 thanks Feb 16 21:11:55 there is no message (meaning also no error msg) when i insert the iptables command and the given options.. (as root) but when I show the iptables rules (with iptables -L)... there are none! what am I doing wrong? Feb 16 21:15:42 pong mickey|dinner Feb 16 21:21:11 any suggestions? I really have no clue ... and the Wiki doesnt help me atm.. (I would be happy for any links or hints on how to get the usb connection forwarded to eth2 which is my internet connection) Feb 16 21:23:32 herby: you should specify table for -L operation. Probably you inserted to nat, then you need to use -t nat Feb 16 21:24:52 herby, search "linux howto masquerade" the linux docs have a nice script to set up forwarding Feb 16 21:25:15 PaulFertser_: thanks - didnt knew that, I inserted into nat as described in the wiki usb network howto for iptables proxy things. Feb 16 21:25:31 PaulFertser_: okay... will do so. Feb 16 21:25:55 the script in http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html#RC.FIREWALL-IPTABLES does a very nice job Feb 16 21:26:27 spaetz: i though one iptables command is usually enough, why use script? ;) Feb 16 21:26:36 thanks a lot, somehow the command "iptables -L nat doesnt show any rules.. Feb 16 21:26:57 PaulFertser_: it removes the need to remember that one iptable command :) Feb 16 21:27:05 plus set upforwarding to 1 Feb 16 21:27:08 herby: -t nat Feb 16 21:27:38 lindi-: okay. thanks. I thought the -L would be needed to list things. Feb 16 21:27:38 ipforwarding Feb 16 21:27:54 spaetz: already did so. Feb 16 21:27:55 spaetz: one my friend used to start mplayer every time from command line with a tricky audio routing matrix to get his channel arrangements right. :)f Feb 16 21:28:14 hehe Feb 16 21:28:19 herby: L lists only one table Feb 16 21:28:26 lindi-: can you suggest the runlevel to use for debugging without X but with dropbear? Feb 16 21:28:54 PaulFertser_: do not use runevel for that Feb 16 21:29:26 lindi-: hm, but i want to restart like 100 times during this process, every new try requires restart ;) Feb 16 21:30:20 PaulFertser_: hmm. Feb 16 21:31:26 PaulFertser_: use custom initramfs? no fsck trouble, easy to ship to others, fast Feb 16 21:32:20 lindi-: hm, i just want to start my phone without X to further debug module loading/unloading, why do you want me to do it the hard way? ;) Feb 16 21:33:30 PaulFertser_: i do not think i know enough about your goals here Feb 16 21:34:36 lindi-: i do something on FR, it Oopses, i compile new kernel module version on PC, scp it to FR, reboot FR, until it fixed :) Feb 16 21:41:07 hm, so what am I doing wrong here -- I register to handle the incoming sms signal, and I get Matching rule "type='signal',interface='org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS',member='IncomingMessage'" back from d-bus Feb 16 21:41:21 but then no action when a message comes in Feb 16 21:45:25 johnsu01: my guess is that it is stored on SIM and signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.IncomingStoredMessage emitted instead Feb 16 21:46:00 PaulFertser_: ugh, I bet you're right Feb 16 21:46:22 PaulFertser_: as the message is stored on the sim Feb 16 21:48:12 [sarcasm] oh look Samsung have updated the openmoko http://www.blogcdn.com/es.engadget.com/media/2009/02/portadbeatdj.jpg [/sarcasm] Feb 16 21:48:32 PaulFertser_: ok but in that case you surely don't want to torture your fs, right? Feb 16 21:48:54 lindi-: in some cases yes, but this case puts no stress on it. Feb 16 21:48:56 buttons Feb 16 21:50:00 lindi-: do you think it's ok that i'm debugging loading/unloading issues instead of recording ones? ;) I think proper loading/unloading should be done anyway. Feb 16 21:51:10 PaulFertser_: yeah it will probably help in development Feb 16 21:54:40 hi alll Feb 16 21:55:11 anyone running qtextended 4.4.2 w/ mewster kernel as of qtextended download page??? Feb 16 21:55:39 cga: nope but tell us the trouble Feb 16 21:56:19 hey lindi- =) no troubles (yet?). just wanted a feedback since i'm about to flash =) Feb 16 21:56:45 cga: qtopia is for sissies Feb 16 21:56:49 ;) Feb 16 21:58:08 PaulFertser_: yes i know but 2008.9 isn't good enough and i don't have time to spend on it. i'm not sure about fso and shr. i'm not really updated on their status but i need a working phone XD Feb 16 21:59:39 cga: if you need a working phone, you better borrow one from a friend. OM2008.x is not and will not be supported, Qtopia is supposedly stagnating, i can't say for sure, because of now feedback from the devs. FSO and SHR are actively developed and maintained and you can even get an interactive debugging session with the devs or IRC. Choose your destiny! Feb 16 22:00:07 PaulFertser_: "Qtopia" is stagnating, because Qt 4.5 isn't out yet :p Feb 16 22:00:31 it's supposed to be out this quarter, and then you'll see a new qt extended image for the openmoko Feb 16 22:00:33 sandsmark: because it a closed development model of "open source" software. Therefore it sucks. Feb 16 22:00:40 ? Feb 16 22:00:46 public git repos isn't public enough for you? Feb 16 22:01:10 and I must say the code that models provides is way better than the alternatives :P Feb 16 22:01:41 sandsmark: ha, public development doesn't only mean public repos. In fact, lpotter confirmed that Qtopia is essentially forked for every customer. And you know how "good" are forks for any free software project. Feb 16 22:01:56 PaulFertser_: I think you misunderstood it Feb 16 22:02:10 sandsmark: i believe i didn't Feb 16 22:02:14 and forks are very good for free software Feb 16 22:02:21 for example x.org Feb 16 22:02:37 xfree86 was ~dead, until it was forked off Feb 16 22:02:57 sandsmark: if you have one project, 10 proprietary forks and 1 free software fork of it, then it's bad. Feb 16 22:03:06 It just can't work Feb 16 22:03:07 and I don't see how the "forking" is related to the openness Feb 16 22:03:22 sandsmark: all the other forks (except Opie) are proprietary. Feb 16 22:03:32 and so? Feb 16 22:03:43 the code it provides is still the superior one Feb 16 22:04:00 tbh, the freerunner is pretty much unusable as a phone without qt extended Feb 16 22:04:24 sandsmark: and when you finally fix a bug in the free fork and send it upstream to Nokia (mind that, you must use BSD for that), they'll most probably reject it because it doesn't suit other forks. Feb 16 22:04:27 PaulFertser_: hm, still no love listening to that signal Feb 16 22:04:45 johnsu01: start mdbus -s to listen to all the signals then ;) Feb 16 22:04:52 PaulFertser_: so? Feb 16 22:04:56 johnsu01: or read the specs or the Zhone source. Feb 16 22:05:07 sandsmark: So qtopia sucks. Feb 16 22:05:08 PaulFertser_: yeah, I looked at the zhone soruce.. Feb 16 22:05:13 I really don't see how any of your arguments supports your position Feb 16 22:05:17 sandsmark: sorry, don't have the time to discuss that all over again. Feb 16 22:05:19 PaulFertser_: and the specs are what led me to IncomingMessage :) Feb 16 22:05:21 PaulFertser_: because you write sucky patches? Feb 16 22:05:23 sandsmark: you know i'm right;) Feb 16 22:05:27 I really don't Feb 16 22:05:30 you don't make any sense Feb 16 22:05:44 sandsmark: you can't write a decent patch that will suit all propietary forks you have never ever seen. Feb 16 22:05:52 PaulFertser_: why not? Feb 16 22:06:07 do you know *anything* about the structure of qt? Feb 16 22:06:32 compartmentalization ftw Feb 16 22:06:44 sandsmark: ask Holger from OM who did plenty of those. Find his rants on community mailing list. Do _yourself_ write a patch. Ask OPIE folks why did they fork Qtopia. Feb 16 22:07:05 PaulFertser_: I'm asking you why you say qtopia sucks Feb 16 22:07:50 you're just spouting uninformed fud Feb 16 22:08:21 sandsmark: because it's not developed in a free community-involved way essentially. And lacks manpower to be stable for OM. And doesn't use X that's not cool because there's plenty of programs for X not easily portable. And so on. Feb 16 22:08:31 X sucks Feb 16 22:08:38 it isn't suited for embedded devices at all Feb 16 22:08:42 sandsmark: that's fud Feb 16 22:09:05 the protocol is hardly suitable for workstations, much less memory and cpu constrained embedded devices Feb 16 22:09:14 PaulFertser_: it's not fud, just look at the current OpenMoko distro... Feb 16 22:09:27 sandsmark: ok, i really don't have time. You can think whatever you want. Write some patches to Qtopia or smth. I don't care. Feb 16 22:09:47 sandsmark: there's no "current OM distro". It doesn't exist. Feb 16 22:10:01 whatever is supplied for download on the wiki Feb 16 22:10:47 sandsmark: We all know it doesn't exist. Why point to wiki? Wiki is wrong then. Or inaccurate. Feb 16 22:11:06 well, so qtopia is the only alternative? Feb 16 22:11:10 sandsmark: to what? Feb 16 22:11:26 the only distribution that's supported on the freerunner Feb 16 22:12:25 sandsmark: no, as i said earlier qtopia is supported mostly by one developer: Lorn Potter. Debian on FR is supported by a dedicated team. The same with FSO/SHR. Feb 16 22:12:50 g'evning, ppl Feb 16 22:13:09 I didn't see the freerunner in the lenny release notes Feb 16 22:13:24 i saw something about arm arch... Feb 16 22:13:28 in lenny release notes. Feb 16 22:13:35 sandsmark: go write some qtopia patches, i'm out, sorry. Feb 16 22:13:36 but no freerunner either Feb 16 22:13:42 freerunner != arm Feb 16 22:13:56 and you said that the qtopia team was too small to support the freerunner, how large is the debian team? Feb 16 22:13:57 mh... ok, you are right :) Feb 16 22:14:06 niv: it's a tiny bit more involved :P Feb 16 22:14:56 *G* Feb 16 22:15:18 in fact, i have no idea yet Feb 16 22:16:32 well, I started on my own distribution for it, but the bitbake-based build route is a tiny bit hairy Feb 16 22:16:46 so I'm basing it on firmware-linux instead Feb 16 22:17:38 i am going to build me a debian toolchain and port my favorite apps on freerunner.. Feb 16 22:18:12 there are a few left, which are the wrong version or not at all ported. Feb 16 22:19:28 and perhaps i can modify a few apps, that they don't access the sim card inside but the filesystem on the sd-card e.g. Feb 16 22:20:29 thats all about my current tasks on the todo-list.. Feb 16 22:20:30 :) Feb 16 22:21:10 niv: aren't they already ported? ;) Feb 16 22:21:50 lindi-: i would like to have awesome 3.1 on freerunner e.g. Feb 16 22:21:58 current version is 2.3 Feb 16 22:22:36 or a phone app, which accesses sim card and filesystem. Feb 16 22:23:04 all other apps i found before are just fine :) Feb 16 22:23:30 and the little thing about gprs and my sd card .. Feb 16 22:24:27 that would be all for i can think of now :) Feb 16 22:36:42 niv: debian has awesome 3.2~rc1 Feb 16 22:36:56 oh... Feb 16 22:37:06 then i was just blind to see. Feb 16 22:37:10 niv: it's in experimental Feb 16 22:37:14 mh.. Feb 16 22:37:15 ok. Feb 16 22:37:25 niv: test it and it'll migrate to unstable :) Feb 16 22:37:32 :) Feb 16 22:37:34 will do Feb 16 22:38:20 does it compile for freerunner then? Feb 16 22:40:47 niv: of course Feb 16 22:40:59 niv: 'apt-get --build source awesome' Feb 16 22:42:08 i haven't been building debian packages for long :) Feb 16 22:42:22 and especially not for freerunner yet :) Feb 16 22:43:37 niv: they are just normal armel packages, nothing freerunner specific Feb 16 22:44:18 ok Feb 16 22:45:01 that was the fascinating thing in bitbaker... "just try to compile it..." and it worked. Feb 16 22:45:54 niv: heh :) Feb 16 22:46:22 "Thats it?" "yes, you are done now..." Feb 16 22:46:29 "cool" Feb 16 22:47:13 orzo: hi, i added ~/.kapula/log.txt support with --logfie Feb 16 22:47:14 orzo: hi, i added ~/.kapula/log.txt support with --logfile Feb 16 22:47:27 oh cool Feb 16 22:47:35 the next thing was "how to get in into the chain to copy it into the image?" Feb 16 22:47:40 orzo: i'm still thinking about the "requesting GSM" issue Feb 16 22:47:59 orzo: and general usability too. maybe it should be possible to answer call with AUX button? Feb 16 22:48:06 oh yes Feb 16 22:48:10 i've had the same idea Feb 16 22:48:14 that'd be appreciated Feb 16 22:48:22 orzo: it sametimes takes a while to find the kapula window (i have multiple workspaces) Feb 16 22:48:35 s/same/some/ Feb 16 22:48:36 lindi- meant: orzo: it sometimes takes a while to find the kapula window (i have multiple workspaces) Feb 16 22:48:41 i use matchbox and select kapula from a dropdown off the title bar Feb 16 22:48:59 orzo: popup window is also an option Feb 16 22:49:05 orzo: how would you like that? Feb 16 22:49:26 oh, do you mean bringing kapula to front when theres a call? Feb 16 22:49:48 orzo: or opening a separate popup dialog Feb 16 22:50:03 i'd rather it just came to front Feb 16 22:50:08 orzo: (bringing it to front does not work with multiple workspaces) Feb 16 22:50:25 well it'd work for me Feb 16 22:50:26 heh Feb 16 22:50:28 or is there some way to have an app jump from workspace N to workspace M? Feb 16 22:50:53 what wm do you use, lindi? Feb 16 22:50:58 orzo: icewm Feb 16 22:51:37 orzo: anyways, bringing it to front can be an option Feb 16 22:51:45 any idea how to do that? Feb 16 22:52:03 i imagine its some sort of wmhint Feb 16 22:52:37 orzo: can you think of an existing app that does it? preferably pygtk app Feb 16 22:53:47 hi could someone help me get an internet connection on FSO, via usb? Feb 16 22:54:33 I can ssh from my desktop which has internet access and I put the dns servers in resolv.conf but no luck Feb 16 22:55:50 lindi-: maybe setting URGENT would be appropriate Feb 16 22:56:00 that would make it blink in the taskbar in gnome i think Feb 16 22:58:33 Hi, I can not ping the outside world on my freerunner - connected to my desktop via usb can anyone help? Feb 16 22:59:15 route add default gw Feb 16 22:59:59 i'm thinking matchbox would automatically raise a window that sets the urgency bit Feb 16 23:01:00 cjb: thanks route: SIOCADDRT: No such process Feb 16 23:01:53 orzo: self.window.set_keep_above(True) seems to work here Feb 16 23:02:26 http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-latest.html#id2550738 Feb 16 23:02:37 "If a Client wants to activate another window, it MUST send a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW client message to the root window" Feb 16 23:03:32 orzo: can you test if the patch works with matchbox-window-manager too? (just pushed it to darcs) Feb 16 23:03:44 oh **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:03:53 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:04:14 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:05:49 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 16 23:06:11 2009 Feb 16 23:07:32 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r5b34446c46ef 10/src/frameworkd-glib-dbus.c: Feb 16 23:07:32 freesmartphone.org: do NOT call exit in lose() Feb 16 23:07:32 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann Feb 16 23:07:53 simoo: dont you need some iptables rules for that on your box? or at least a route from usb0 to internetDevice on your box? Feb 16 23:08:36 simoo: I havent done it yet, still stuck on the way to get internet to my FR.. :-/ Feb 16 23:08:44 herby: maybe I do, I need a bit of help, I just followed the simple guide on the wiki Feb 16 23:08:52 ok Feb 16 23:08:56 i ran it with no options Feb 16 23:08:58 simoo: did it a couple of times... :) Feb 16 23:08:59 hope thats sufficient Feb 16 23:09:06 hat no luck untill now... Feb 16 23:09:34 simoo: do you have usb0 and your Inet connection as the same subnet? Feb 16 23:09:46 herby: no Feb 16 23:09:48 simoo: both 192.168.0.0/24 Feb 16 23:09:59 simoo: okay... thats how i got it too... Feb 16 23:10:15 desktop 192.168.50.30 router 192.168.50.1 Feb 16 23:10:30 simoo: got 192.168.0.202 for the FR and got 192.168.1.1 as internetRouter... :-/ Feb 16 23:10:33 orzo: no no, you need --raise-window option :) Feb 16 23:10:47 I can ping the desktop from the freerunner Feb 16 23:10:53 oh Feb 16 23:11:00 well that explains why my test didnt work just now Feb 16 23:11:06 but not my router, so im guessing that's the problem Feb 16 23:11:17 orzo: and yes, i am trying to remove number of options :) Feb 16 23:12:21 simoo: yes - nice ... I can do that too.. but the problem is that you need iptables to mask your freerunner and to forward the traffic to your router... and when you get replys from your router iptables need to send it back to the freerunner.... so far in theory. Feb 16 23:12:46 lindi-: --raise-window had no effect on matchbox Feb 16 23:12:52 simoo: :-/ as I said. I got no net on my FR.... cause I just dont get the freaky iptables rules... :-( Feb 16 23:13:00 orzo: ok, thanks for the info Feb 16 23:13:59 herby: hmmm... I'm sure i had it working before just using the simple method... Feb 16 23:15:18 does anyone know the iptables rules for giving the freerunner internet access from the usb? Feb 16 23:15:19 i think _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW is the way to go Feb 16 23:15:26 orzo: so maybe a popup window should be used. it would work with multiple workspaces and it would work with matchbox Feb 16 23:16:35 simoo: I guess if you use the simple way ... and it works you have to have Freerunner and InternetRouter in the same subnet... then it would be possible to just add a route for that... I guess.... (in my theory that should be possible :) ) Feb 16 23:16:54 simoo: so... I will get me a new IP ... :) Feb 16 23:17:26 orzo: any idea how to set that from pygtk? Feb 16 23:17:33 herby: I have a feeling that the freerunner needs to be in a different subnet to work Feb 16 23:19:49 haha Feb 16 23:20:04 http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwindow.html#method-gtkwindow--present Feb 16 23:20:08 simoo: you can use a host route Feb 16 23:20:20 try the present() method, lindi Feb 16 23:20:51 catsup: thanks, how do I do that? Feb 16 23:21:04 orzo: you have matchbox-wm, can you try? ;) Feb 16 23:21:34 i'll try if it moves it to another desktop Feb 16 23:21:39 route add -host host-ip dev tap0 <-- tap0 = virtual ethernet device Feb 16 23:21:43 yes, im trying now Feb 16 23:21:49 gota wait for it to get on network Feb 16 23:21:55 (maybe it's not called tap0) Feb 16 23:22:09 although you should use different subnets on different actual nets Feb 16 23:22:21 i guess Feb 16 23:22:55 orzo: works! it switched me to the right desktop Feb 16 23:22:57 lindi-: worked beautifully Feb 16 23:23:17 catsup: i just get the error 'route: SIOCADDRT: No such device' Feb 16 23:23:35 orzo: maybe this could be made a default option even Feb 16 23:23:43 suits me Feb 16 23:24:00 --request-gsm-on-startup also suits me as default Feb 16 23:24:05 i'll add a "--no-" option if it starts to annoy me :) Feb 16 23:24:18 i guess it's not tap0? Feb 16 23:24:23 orzo: yeah true Feb 16 23:24:38 orzo: it could be --no-request-gsm-on-startup :) Feb 16 23:24:49 ya Feb 16 23:24:56 is there nothing on the wiki that will explain how I can connect my freerunner to the internet via the USB? Feb 16 23:25:09 you are just doing standard networking at this point simoo Feb 16 23:25:19 i use the echo-workaround too Feb 16 23:25:31 i can show you the configuration i use to do ip masq on a virtual ethernet device Feb 16 23:25:38 catsup: ok, thanks Feb 16 23:25:59 i use a dhcp server on there to assign the ip Feb 16 23:26:05 now add that alt button answer feature Feb 16 23:26:14 hangup would be alright too Feb 16 23:26:22 its not like its easy to pres that on accident Feb 16 23:26:23 heh Feb 16 23:26:48 orzo: added two patches (present() and --no-request-gsm-on-startpu) Feb 16 23:27:40 orzo: AUX button is bit tricky. people might want to be able to use it with other programs Feb 16 23:28:00 orzo: preferable it should work like this: if AUX is pressed while ringtone is playing only kapula sees AUX Feb 16 23:28:11 orzo: if AUX is pressed at any other time then other applications can receive it too Feb 16 23:28:28 simoo: http://jerkface.net/software/interfaces.txt <-- my debian /etc/network/interfaces (the dhcp server listens on 192.168.2.1) Feb 16 23:28:56 orzo: maybe with present() kapula could be the focused() application that gets the AUX key as an X event? Feb 16 23:29:18 catsup: thanks a lot :) Feb 16 23:29:21 yeah it would be i think Feb 16 23:29:44 simoo: you probably need to change 'tap0' Feb 16 23:29:45 assuming x is configured to know about that interface Feb 16 23:29:50 at least Feb 16 23:29:52 orzo: i think it always is Feb 16 23:30:04 catsup: ok Feb 16 23:30:06 orzo: just try with xev Feb 16 23:30:16 i have a fake usb keyboard always plugged in to my x Feb 16 23:30:21 using uinput Feb 16 23:30:24 simoo: do you really understand that ?! (...I dont...) Feb 16 23:30:36 orzo: anyways, i'm off to sleep now. need to think about this tomorrow. thanks a lot for your testing and feedback Feb 16 23:30:36 ok ill try xev Feb 16 23:31:11 xev indicates nothing on AUX Feb 16 23:31:12 heh Feb 16 23:31:18 my x isnt configured to know about it Feb 16 23:31:35 i could probably rectify that though Feb 16 23:31:49 herby: no not yet but i intend to use it as a reference when I set aside time to work out how to do it properly, for now I am just suing scp to copy the files i need to my freerunner Feb 16 23:32:49 lindi-: its no trouble, thanks for making kapula Feb 16 23:34:07 orzo: for me xev indicates AUX presses Feb 16 23:34:16 ya Feb 16 23:34:25 we have a different setup more than likely Feb 16 23:34:33 orzo: one know reason for that to not work is to have X running on the same VT as a console Feb 16 23:34:52 simoo: well... I still think the best way is a working iptables script (or ruleset) with nat or dnat or however... because you still got a router... and your box need to route the packages to the router... if you only forward it (no masquerading) you need to configure your router to route other ips back to your box... Feb 16 23:34:59 i have a gta01 runing fbdev xorg with a xorg.conf i wrote from nothing supporting my bluetooth keyboard Feb 16 23:35:19 orzo: which vt your X is running on? Feb 16 23:35:32 vg1 Feb 16 23:35:33 er Feb 16 23:35:37 vt1 Feb 16 23:35:55 orzo: change that to i.e. vt4 and AUX will work Feb 16 23:37:19 k, starting x Feb 16 23:37:57 PaulFertser_: no difference at all Feb 16 23:38:09 really simple question but i'm flashing my GSM so I don't want to screw up... do backslashes in a command just break up the line? Feb 16 23:38:21 orzo: have you checked ps ax output? Probably your setting had no effect. Feb 16 23:38:29 simoo: yes Feb 16 23:38:40 uh Feb 16 23:38:44 simoo: means that it's one continious line Feb 16 23:38:47 PaulFertser: cheers Feb 16 23:38:49 i stopped X altogether Feb 16 23:39:12 and then changed my script that runs startx to pass vt4 instead of vt1 Feb 16 23:39:17 simoo: what version are you going to flash btw? Feb 16 23:39:33 orzo: ps ax will tell for sure ;) Feb 16 23:39:47 tell me what? Feb 16 23:40:17 pid of X ? Feb 16 23:40:34 oh Feb 16 23:40:39 it shows the options and "vt4" appears Feb 16 23:40:42 1946 ? Ss 0:05 /usr/bin/X :0 vt4 -dpi 100 -br -auth /tmp/serverauth.iKaBdx1935 Feb 16 23:40:54 orzo: make sure that your xev instance is focused Feb 16 23:41:37 well Feb 16 23:41:45 i'm clicking it Feb 16 23:42:00 i'd think that'd be enough to focus it Feb 16 23:42:34 it's pretty clear Feb 16 23:42:38 AUX is not gona work Feb 16 23:42:42 without chainging my xorg.conf Feb 16 23:43:06 which is probably trivial Feb 16 23:43:12 orzo: I hope so... What can i say is that i never see AUX presses with xev when started on vt1 and i always see that when started on vt4. Probably your config is at fault then. Feb 16 23:43:31 orzo: because those buttons are a regular keyboard device to the userspace. Feb 16 23:43:54 maybe so, but i have my xorg knowing about a different configured keyboard Feb 16 23:44:04 and i never mentioned the one that aux is part of Feb 16 23:44:44 probably need to add an entry Feb 16 23:44:47 Yes Feb 16 23:44:51 Looks like this Feb 16 23:48:51 * rwhitby considers following mickey|dinner's lead and installing Qi Feb 16 23:52:11 Hey Orzo :P Feb 16 23:53:13 hiya dave Feb 16 23:53:21 did you make an altoids adapter yet? Feb 16 23:53:24 heh Feb 16 23:53:33 haha, no Feb 16 23:53:38 regrettably I haven't had the time Feb 16 23:53:42 but I probably should Feb 16 23:54:15 the most hilarious part is that the only component I'm missing is the mini altoids container itself :P Feb 16 23:54:22 I already have all the other parts laying around here :) Feb 16 23:54:25 i configured my xorg so that it knows about AUX now Feb 16 23:54:34 nice Feb 16 23:54:41 heh Feb 16 23:55:03 i want xrandr Feb 16 23:55:14 i guess the way to do that is to build kdrive Feb 16 23:55:28 oy Feb 16 23:55:34 fbdev xorg doesnt do it Feb 16 23:55:41 too bad Feb 16 23:55:46 that would have been sweet Feb 16 23:56:32 debian has kdrive, but they ommited touch screen support via tslib Feb 16 23:56:46 orzo: are you sure you need it? Feb 16 23:56:47 assssssssssy Feb 16 23:57:09 PaulFertser_: hm? I'd like to rotate teh screen Feb 16 23:57:19 orzo: not xrandr, but tslib :) Feb 16 23:57:22 oh Feb 16 23:57:35 well xorg supports the touchscreen via tslib Feb 16 23:58:01 But what do you really need it for? Feb 16 23:58:04 * Dave installs OM2007.2 on orzo Feb 16 23:58:15 Paul, for anything cool, OBVIOUSLY! :P Feb 16 23:58:37 well i tried switching to something else in debian Feb 16 23:58:47 i think a kdrive related thing Feb 16 23:58:55 and i could never get my touch screen working Feb 17 00:00:16 xserver-xepher Feb 17 00:00:26 hm Feb 17 00:00:28 or no Feb 17 00:00:34 i think it was xserver-xfbdev Feb 17 00:02:19 orzo: for me xglamo in debian is working. tslib is obviously not needed for that. Feb 17 00:02:40 ok, but i use a gta01 which has different graphics, not glamo Feb 17 00:04:52 orzo: oh, now i see :) And you have to use an old kernel because Andy broke gta01 support and doesn't care? Feb 17 00:10:15 orzo, luck you :p Feb 17 00:10:18 lucky, rather Feb 17 00:10:25 Paul, pretty much :P Feb 17 00:10:29 (that dick) Feb 17 00:11:42 Dave: btw, he said Balaji or someone else from the team has GTA01 and there should be support. :) Feb 17 00:13:06 Dave, lucky? Feb 17 00:13:23 i use a kernel from mwester Feb 17 00:14:08 cough Feb 17 00:24:05 hi - can anyone please tell me why "sysctl net.ipv4.conf.eth2.proxy_arp=1" doesnt work? (is an unknown key) Feb 17 00:24:56 all I want is to send arp packets to my freerunner (from my box) so that he ... gets connected to the internet. which isnt so easy. Feb 17 00:25:36 all you want is internet on the freerunner? Feb 17 00:26:03 for now :) ... yes. Feb 17 00:26:09 is that os x? Feb 17 00:26:13 that sysctl stuff? Feb 17 00:26:18 no... Feb 17 00:26:19 linux. Feb 17 00:26:26 oh Feb 17 00:26:37 well i use route/iptables Feb 17 00:27:08 the problem is that I havent found one good tutorial on how to get the freerunner to the internet over the usb0 device. Feb 17 00:27:38 I just added routes en masse... I got stuck with iptables, because that isnt so easy either.. Feb 17 00:28:00 now there are enough (I guess the right) routes... Feb 17 00:28:08 well let me find my script Feb 17 00:28:23 oh... with the tap0 ? :) Feb 17 00:29:11 tap0? Feb 17 00:29:34 oh.. no.. that was from someone else... earlier in this channel => [00:28] simoo: http://jerkface.net/software/interfaces.txt <-- my debian /etc/network/interfaces (the dhcp server listens on 192.168.2.1) Feb 17 00:29:44 oh Feb 17 00:29:46 (posted by catsup) Feb 17 00:29:53 that was too confusing for me. Feb 17 00:30:19 my stuff is similar Feb 17 00:30:39 I just didnt understand all those iptables roules.. because I guess that needed to be ... nat or snat oder dnat or however it is called.. Feb 17 00:32:17 i didnt know you could make tables in call caps Feb 17 00:32:24 i thought those names were reserved Feb 17 00:32:57 he makes NOLOMASQ Feb 17 00:33:03 oh well Feb 17 00:33:06 what is call capps? Feb 17 00:33:52 somehow I fear that I have to read the whole german iptables handbook :-/ Feb 17 00:34:19 what's wrong with the USB_Networking page on the wiki? Feb 17 00:34:27 some combination of things there should get you started Feb 17 00:34:31 Dave: it doesnt help me. Feb 17 00:34:46 Dave: it helped me to get a connection from my box to my freerunner. Feb 17 00:35:35 right Feb 17 00:35:37 Dave: but now I want to connection on my box (usb0 where the FR is) redirected to eth1 where the network is (where a router is located) Feb 17 00:35:46 AH Feb 17 00:36:04 soooooo dnat postrouting? Feb 17 00:36:20 Dave: I guess... but what is dnat? Feb 17 00:36:34 Dave: destination network adress translation?" Feb 17 00:36:48 herbert, you need two lines Feb 17 00:36:57 NAT in iptables Feb 17 00:37:26 dnat = NAT in iptables? (really so easy?) Feb 17 00:37:38 eh? Feb 17 00:37:50 if you see the examples on the USB_Networking page, it's there Feb 17 00:37:57 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i usb0 -j MASQUERADE Feb 17 00:37:58 so you shouldn't have to read the whole iptables man page Feb 17 00:38:03 right Feb 17 00:38:09 masquerading should be fine (NAT) Feb 17 00:38:12 I already tried those... but didnt get it working :( Feb 17 00:38:17 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Feb 17 00:38:32 orzo: already did so Feb 17 00:38:51 can you ping ? Feb 17 00:39:06 can you openmoko? Feb 17 00:39:32 I am connected to the freerunner via usb0 and got a ssh session. Feb 17 00:39:54 from the freerunner I can ping my box. but not google. Feb 17 00:40:33 tcpdump tells me that the freerunner is asking for the router... Feb 17 00:40:44 (arp messages) Feb 17 00:40:58 Herbert, do you have a valid nameserver configured for the freerunner? Feb 17 00:41:03 (i.e. /etc/resolv.conf) Feb 17 00:41:10 heh Feb 17 00:41:13 ya Feb 17 00:41:22 you probably just dont have dns Feb 17 00:41:25 Dave: I inserted the nameserver of my isp Feb 17 00:41:36 so you can resolve google? Feb 17 00:41:42 okay Feb 17 00:41:47 and also just to try the nameserver of my router (in my lan) Feb 17 00:41:51 no - no google... Feb 17 00:42:05 pinging and resolving are different Feb 17 00:42:21 orzo oh.. okay.. didnt know that. Feb 17 00:42:31 i mean, does it show you the ip for google.com Feb 17 00:42:35 when you say ping Feb 17 00:42:37 no.. Feb 17 00:43:08 ping says bad adress (cant assioate a ip to the name i guess) Feb 17 00:43:08 what ip address does your computer have on usb0? Feb 17 00:43:49 192.168.0.200 (mycomp) 192.168.0.202 (freerunner) 192.168.0.20(mycomp internet interface) Feb 17 00:44:06 and my router (in my lan) is 192.168.0.1 Feb 17 00:44:17 say this on your phone: route add default gw 192.168.0.200 Feb 17 00:45:07 already did so . but I had changed it to 192.168.0.1 (my router) some minutes ago Feb 17 00:45:07 then assuming mycomp is set up to forward and masquerade and such, you're good Feb 17 00:45:51 just setting the default gw on freerunner back to .200 Feb 17 00:46:37 got the default gw as you said. Feb 17 00:47:37 paste the output of commands "iptables -t nat -L" and "route -n" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" for freerunner and for mycomp Feb 17 00:47:42 on some pastebin Feb 17 00:47:44 heh Feb 17 00:50:04 http://rafb.net/p/L07xjZ45.html Feb 17 00:51:09 http://rafb.net/p/A6howk52.html Feb 17 00:51:51 http://rafb.net/p/cDnKAE70.html Feb 17 00:52:37 http://rafb.net/p/oEG1aS30.html Feb 17 00:53:12 http://rafb.net/p/EsHW7h24.html Feb 17 00:53:54 the freerunner didnt find iptables so I cannot execute that command on the fr. Feb 17 00:55:50 but ist the dnat on mycomp only for dns requests? Feb 17 00:57:42 ok Feb 17 00:58:12 on your computer, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i usb0 -j MASQUERADE Feb 17 00:58:34 then do the iptables -t nat -L thing again and you should see a rule under POSTROUTING Feb 17 00:58:44 you're POSTROUTING is empty Feb 17 00:59:16 hah Feb 17 00:59:17 oh im sorry Feb 17 00:59:24 correction Feb 17 00:59:32 orzo: the first iptable command dont work on my box Feb 17 00:59:37 on your computer, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ! usb0 -j MASQUERADE Feb 17 01:00:06 (cant use -i with POSTROUTING) Feb 17 01:00:17 okay, use -o ! usb0 Feb 17 01:00:34 you should see a rule under POSTROUTING Feb 17 01:01:16 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Feb 17 01:01:27 http://rafb.net/p/jwIa6s17.html Feb 17 01:01:41 wow. Feb 17 01:01:43 jepp Feb 17 01:01:53 now it works for you? Feb 17 01:02:00 the ip_forwarding was set already. Feb 17 01:02:07 aahmm....second. Feb 17 01:02:10 so you have internet on your phone? Feb 17 01:03:11 no ... Feb 17 01:03:14 still not. Feb 17 01:03:40 can you ping 192.168.0.1 on your phone? Feb 17 01:03:50 no Feb 17 01:03:57 this is what tcpdump said Feb 17 01:03:59 http://rafb.net/p/0GkaRa94.html Feb 17 01:05:43 (just seen that the first line doesnt belong in there... some cut n paste mistake i guess) Feb 17 01:05:53 oh right Feb 17 01:05:57 192.168.0.1 eh Feb 17 01:06:05 this is not an easy way to go Feb 17 01:06:15 it'd be easier to put your phone on a different subnet Feb 17 01:07:26 but if you really want to, we can probably manage. ON your computer say route add -host 192.168.0.202 usb0 Feb 17 01:07:50 wouldnt it be an alternative to set up a route on my router, which leads .202 (freerunner ip) back to .20 (mycomp internet port) so that mycomp knows to route packets for .202 via usb0 ? Feb 17 01:08:22 well Feb 17 01:08:34 why dont you just change a subnet Feb 17 01:09:01 http://rafb.net/p/Zh7O9W91.html this is my routing table on mycomp... Feb 17 01:09:52 that looks ok to me Feb 17 01:09:52 I have done that earlier, but that was when I didnt have the POSTROUTING rule from you.. Feb 17 01:11:19 looks ok Feb 17 01:11:22 heh Feb 17 01:11:23 so this would function if I set mycomp and my router to a subnet like 192.168.1.xxx ? Feb 17 01:11:32 ya probably Feb 17 01:12:02 although iduno why its not functionin gnow Feb 17 01:12:23 okay... then I will give it a try.. (can you explain why this is? I just would like to understand) Feb 17 01:12:51 oh .. okay.. Feb 17 01:12:54 well the subnet routing is a bit more automatic Feb 17 01:13:07 okay... Feb 17 01:13:28 then i will go off the irc, change my internal ip's and be back in 2 min. Feb 17 01:13:30 thanks. Feb 17 01:13:39 well im goin to dinner Feb 17 01:16:15 what a pitty... still doesnt work :-/ Feb 17 01:18:17 http://rafb.net/p/DeSqme29.html but.. my iptables rules have been regarding to the ip subnet which I have now... which I didnt have earlier...! Feb 17 01:19:38 ( because I just changed my router ip to 192.168.1.1 ) Feb 17 01:20:20 but anyways, a big thanks to you.. you really tried to help me :) Feb 17 01:21:31 (I really wonder why my irc client always takes other nicknames..) Feb 17 01:39:03 hey orzo !! Feb 17 01:39:13 orzo: guess what ;) Feb 17 01:39:33 I know what stopped the freerunner from getting internet!! Feb 17 01:41:00 orzo: I finally (after I doublechecked everything...) removed the route from the freerunner where the network 192.168.0.0 was routed to usb0 Feb 17 01:41:22 and so I just left the default route! Feb 17 01:41:29 now I can ping google :) Feb 17 01:41:37 hooray! Feb 17 01:41:44 Thank you for choosing Dell. Feb 17 01:41:49 http://rafb.net/p/DeSqme29.html Feb 17 01:42:05 this is where I got the tipp from.. Feb 17 01:42:10 ?! why dell!? Feb 17 01:42:21 Dave: talking to me?! Feb 17 01:42:24 :P Feb 17 01:42:27 * herby wondering.. Feb 17 01:42:36 yeaaaaa Feb 17 01:43:01 Dave: or was that not mentioned to me.... (at least.. I got a Dell !) Feb 17 01:45:27 heeelllooo? can anyone hear/read me? somehow I feel like a ghost... :-7 Feb 17 01:46:04 brrrrrr Feb 17 01:46:41 slaxxin: can you read me? or am I not really connected to irc.freenode.org? Feb 17 01:47:25 yes we can Feb 17 01:48:00 :P Feb 17 01:48:11 is that an auto generated iptable? Feb 17 01:48:29 hay dave Feb 17 01:48:48 my iptables were from the wiki, not auto generated Feb 17 01:49:09 gathering hickory today Feb 17 01:49:24 an white oak Feb 17 01:52:33 hah Feb 17 01:52:40 man, you sure do live out there, slaxxin :p Feb 17 01:52:43 yeehaw Feb 17 02:10:32 well i guess Feb 17 02:11:08 famile moved here in the late 40's Feb 17 02:11:26 damn Feb 17 02:11:29 then bartered a farm for farm trade Feb 17 02:12:08 moved from colorado Feb 17 02:12:36 new sam walton when he was alive Feb 17 02:13:03 he was really a good old man Feb 17 02:13:37 Wow Feb 17 02:14:00 Kind of makes me wonder how you got interested in this :) Feb 17 02:15:41 well im a mechanic an i really enjoy fixing things Feb 17 02:16:40 REALLY Feb 17 02:16:48 You any good at it, son? Feb 17 02:17:10 i started computers when i messed up an invoice machine an i had to write reciets by hand 1/2 the day untill i figuried out what i did Feb 17 02:17:18 then i was hooked:) Feb 17 02:18:07 at that time there were magazines that hAad free linux os in so theres how i gotto linux Feb 17 02:18:25 maximum linix Feb 17 02:18:39 i got turbo linux that way Feb 17 02:19:12 wow, cute story Feb 17 02:19:36 Will you fix my car, if I fix your freerunner? :) Feb 17 02:32:46 good trade Feb 17 02:34:07 i dont fix ,,i flash **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 17 02:59:58 2009