**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 19 02:59:57 2009 Feb 19 03:13:38 orzo Feb 19 03:13:46 dave Feb 19 03:14:06 i want to configure X so that it just recognizes any keyboard i plug in Feb 19 03:14:16 uh huh Feb 19 03:14:17 its not doing it Feb 19 03:14:18 still on that? Feb 19 03:14:22 heh Feb 19 03:14:35 well, i made my bluetooth keyboard appear alwayas present Feb 19 03:14:37 so it works Feb 19 03:14:53 but i want to use this dell keyboard and now would have to edit xorg.conf and restart and such Feb 19 03:14:57 it seems like i shouldnlt have to do that Feb 19 03:22:42 apparently debian uses xorg server 1.4.0 Feb 19 03:22:50 and i need 1.5 or newer for hotplug Feb 19 03:23:07 I thought lenny included 1.5 Feb 19 03:23:30 well its not in debian unstable Feb 19 03:25:55 ouch :\ Feb 19 03:29:48 Dave! Feb 19 03:30:18 Joerg! Feb 19 03:30:32 \o/ Feb 19 03:30:40 ^_^ Feb 19 03:31:11 is that emoticon depicting an offered vagina? Feb 19 03:31:39 tztztz Feb 19 03:33:29 orzo: be careful! Eventually some Dr. psy. might use this instead of a Rohrschach test ;) Feb 19 03:33:29 hahaha Feb 19 03:33:34 hahaha yeah Feb 19 03:33:35 :p Feb 19 03:37:49 While Debian may be playing it safe with GNOME, it has opted for the latest stable release of X.org - version 7.3. The latest X.org brings some nice new features like hot-swappable support for input devices such as mice and keyboard and enhanced support for touch screens and tablets. Feb 19 03:38:22 you could try a dist-upgrade Feb 19 03:39:35 Feb 19 03:42:17 uum Feb 19 03:42:28 i think that's wrong Feb 19 03:42:32 it's 7.3 Feb 19 03:42:52 but apparently the xorg xserver package for 7.3 is 1.4 Feb 19 03:43:55 whatever you're quoting is probably in error Feb 19 04:36:10 :( Feb 19 04:36:15 frownymoko Feb 19 04:41:38 is there a changelog for the shr builds? Feb 19 04:54:08 power button stays lit Feb 19 04:54:14 orange Feb 19 04:58:15 neat Feb 19 05:23:30 shr worked for a few minuits Feb 19 05:24:17 seemed to be more responsive Feb 19 05:24:35 no segfaults Feb 19 05:25:13 it wasnt the wsod it had some fading color Feb 19 05:39:55 slaxxin: what was the build date? Feb 19 05:40:10 the one from feb 15 has been running for 3 days for me perectly Feb 19 05:40:27 as in i have not rebooted the phone Feb 19 05:41:07 rootfs? Feb 19 05:41:33 2-18 Feb 19 05:41:58 havent tried that one :x Feb 19 05:42:01 with that latest.bin? Feb 19 05:42:12 yes, latest bin Feb 19 05:42:13 or mwesters? Feb 19 05:42:17 ok Feb 19 05:43:12 which did you use Feb 19 05:43:24 (i was going to try the 2/18) Feb 19 05:44:05 im pretty sure it was latest.bin but i changed it 3 times Feb 19 05:44:15 please do Feb 19 05:45:19 is everybody pretty sure that all these freerunners have exactly the same chips in them? Feb 19 05:45:58 some act strange, some don't Feb 19 05:46:01 /shrug Feb 19 05:46:43 is it a range of serial #'s? Feb 19 05:48:42 i'd say probably not, but i can't answer for certain Feb 19 05:55:07 They have all the same chips in them, we have been told. However, some of them have some minor changes around the LED circuit, the PMU, and similar peripheral sorts of places. Feb 19 05:56:09 In terms of things that might affect the device locking up, failing to boot, the WSoD, that seems to be normal variance in parts due to some circuits that are a bit too sensitive. Feb 19 06:00:12 Is there any news about gsoc 2009? Feb 19 08:31:09 anyone get android beta3 to boot? Feb 19 08:32:16 it just displays a black screen on my phone Feb 19 08:32:30 looks like it tries to boot, but it just sits there with a black screen Feb 19 08:39:21 good morning Feb 19 08:41:27 hello :) Feb 19 08:52:24 Hi, I want to download the rootfs to phone, like that dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D, but receive "No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs"", anybody know that? thanks Feb 19 08:53:59 bartuer: probably you have other dfu-capable devices attached. Feb 19 08:54:57 PaulFertser_: lsusb Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04fe:0006 PFU, Ltd Feb 19 08:54:57 Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04fe:0008 PFU, Ltd Feb 19 08:55:12 bartuer: use dfu-util -l Feb 19 08:55:30 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Feb 19 08:55:31 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Feb 19 08:55:31 Feb 19 08:55:31 Found Runtime: [0x0a12:0xffff] devnum=8, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" Feb 19 08:55:45 dfu-util said only one Feb 19 08:55:59 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Feb 19 08:55:59 This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Feb 19 08:55:59 Feb 19 08:55:59 Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... Feb 19 08:55:59 Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Feb 19 08:56:00 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 Feb 19 08:56:02 WARNING: Runtime device already in DFU state ?!? Feb 19 08:56:04 No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" Feb 19 08:56:15 bartuer: use pastebin next time, please Feb 19 08:56:45 bartuer: "Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000" that is wrong. Feb 19 08:56:56 bartuer: are you sure you're staying in u-boot while trying that? Feb 19 08:57:23 PaulFertser_: yes, I am sure, Feb 19 08:57:41 PaulFertser_: need wait 30 seconds? Feb 19 08:58:06 bartuer: if you wait for more than 30 seconds in NOR u-boot, it'll restart the device. Feb 19 08:58:53 PaulFertser_:always display BOOT MENU means stay in u-boot, right? Feb 19 08:59:46 bartuer: if you're using NOR u-boot, then no u-boot settings are saved in u-boot env ever. Feb 19 09:08:11 PaulFertser_: I find another bluttooth plug on my machine, remove it, flash begin, thanks! Feb 19 09:08:26 bartuer: i told ya :) Feb 19 09:09:01 bartuer: though you can just specify VID/PID of FR manually in the dfu-util command line. Wiki has an example of that. Feb 19 09:10:35 PaulFertser_:I forget I that, yes, but before plug the phone to the mainboard usb socket, I can not see the vendor id, I just the unknown bluetooth adapter Feb 19 09:15:26 Looks like what Harald wrote 1.5 years ago still applies :( http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2007/07/17#20070717-sick-not-insane Feb 19 09:18:56 morning Feb 19 09:23:16 PaulFertser_: I have seen that, but I am also a human Feb 19 09:23:41 bartuer: that == Harald's post ? Feb 19 09:24:45 PaulFertser_: I read it about 1.5 years ago, I subscribe his blog when he start openezx Feb 19 09:26:05 bartuer: do you mean that you defend insane TPE customs and stupid managers from silicone vendors and inadequate management inside OM and so on? Feb 19 09:26:35 anyone get android beta3 working? Feb 19 09:27:59 soul9: what for? Feb 19 09:28:47 PaulFertser_: oops, I access it, misunderstand you Feb 19 09:29:02 bartuer: every time? ;) Feb 19 09:40:46 openmoko: 03werner * r4923 10/developers/werner/wlan-trial/wlan-trial.init: - add /usr/sbin to PATH so that wpa_supplicant is found Feb 19 09:53:20 hiya Feb 19 10:06:37 yo torpor Feb 19 10:08:46 yo mithris Feb 19 10:09:07 anyone got android running on their FR's? Feb 19 10:09:13 is it worth trying out? Feb 19 10:10:12 torpor: why anyone would want that? Feb 19 10:13:50 i wrote an android app last night in an hour Feb 19 10:13:51 its awesome Feb 19 10:28:09 Nee :P the opposite side. Feb 19 10:30:56 Oo Feb 19 10:31:50 soul9: got it installed and working, phone only started working it seemed when i booted without usb cable connected to it.. but then again the sound was way too low, could barely hear. Feb 19 10:32:23 lindi-: Mmmm good one. I'm thinking about client/daemon setup of it now.. like mpd and whatever client (mpc/gmpc/etc). Feb 19 10:32:50 lindi-: but that does mean you can answer and hangup phonecalls with the AUX indeed, that'd be a req. Feb 19 10:33:45 lindi-: did you look at pyneo btw? Seems like a full python implementation (even though i didn't get it to work at all yesterday, graphically). Feb 19 10:34:09 hi Feb 19 10:34:43 tangoGPS crashes when I try to change the cache dir Feb 19 10:35:06 where are those settings stored? Feb 19 10:35:57 .config i believe Feb 19 10:36:03 laen: ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps Feb 19 10:36:09 cool thanks Feb 19 10:36:11 sigi: see rhkfin Feb 19 10:36:13 :P Feb 19 10:39:48 there's only the name of the repo in the config file, not the cache dir. Do somebody know where the repo infos are stored? Feb 19 10:44:06 find / -type f -iname *tangogps* or something? :P Feb 19 10:45:06 I'm eager to try out "opkg files tangogps" but got another opkg process running right now :) Feb 19 10:46:08 killall opkg :P Feb 19 10:46:59 don't know if "opkg upgrade" would like that Feb 19 10:47:07 :P Feb 19 10:47:54 Hey, your phone, not opkg's! :P Feb 19 10:49:18 Hello, I ahve a freerunner and I am trying yto upgrade the image to OM2008.12 but every time I do it says that AM02 can run on GTA01......but the file says it for GTA02 hardware....what am I missing Feb 19 10:52:02 laen: not yet Feb 19 10:52:12 laen: i only need something simple and reliable as usual :) Feb 19 10:52:41 laen: I missed a call since xglamo crashed on resume (it started to consume 80% cpu time and responded so slowly that kapula totally froze) Feb 19 10:53:01 lindi-: hmmm never had that before Oo Feb 19 10:53:34 lindi-: but nevertheless, depending on X is understandable, not optimal :P Feb 19 10:53:42 PaulFertser_: what do you mean what for? :-) Feb 19 10:53:52 laen: of course if a GUI app is working it can also show that there is an incoming call Feb 19 10:54:01 yup :) Feb 19 10:54:04 laen: interesting, it doesn't seem to boot at all here Feb 19 10:54:17 without the cable Feb 19 10:54:51 lindi-: well the good news is that i finally finished some other tutorials i was doing.. the bad news is that i wanna wait till 2.6 hits the stable trees in distributions so i can startoff with p3k-code right away when learning it :p Feb 19 10:55:04 soul9: ah the first boot takes like 10 minutes. Feb 19 10:55:12 and i'm not that exaggerating at all :p Feb 19 10:55:37 soul9: once it booted, power it off, unplug, boot again. Feb 19 10:55:42 crap I "opkg upgrade"d and now e is crashing and can't recover from the crashes... Feb 19 10:55:58 sigi: cause opkg is crap and e is crap :P Feb 19 10:56:11 this calls for.. Feb 19 10:56:15 laen: what the alternative? Feb 19 10:56:16 http://crapalert.org! Feb 19 10:56:20 :) Feb 19 10:56:41 sigi: Debian offcourse. Ask lindi-, it is teh best.. it's a normal, existing distro. Feb 19 10:57:08 yeah I've been playing with hackable:1 yesterday.. Feb 19 10:57:22 laen: also, the bad news is that there is still a bug in ogsmd somewhere. it sometimes stops responding to any dbus calls at all Feb 19 10:57:26 I try all distro's every 2 months, and it all results in me returning to my debian everytime. Feb 19 10:57:47 laen: it will send signals on incoming call but won't reply to any dbus function calls Feb 19 10:58:13 what "tast bar" and phone apps are you using on debian? Feb 19 10:58:14 laen, on the openmoko handsets or on other machines? Feb 19 10:58:54 * amarsh04 runs Debian, has no openmoko hardware but tries to keep up with the developments Feb 19 10:59:17 s/tast/task Feb 19 10:59:30 amarsh04: openmoko freerunner Feb 19 10:59:57 lindi-: using the aux to pick up you mean? Feb 19 11:00:15 thanks laen Feb 19 11:00:17 laen: using AUX won't help with that bug Feb 19 11:00:37 lindi-: ah there's a bug about it.. got ya. Feb 19 11:01:18 what convinced me about debian was being able to upgrade glibc without rebooting and having the continually updated testing and unstable branches Feb 19 11:01:22 laen: what phone/sms apps do you use on debian? Does the illume keyboard work there too? Feb 19 11:01:40 sigi: illume keyboard works only with one window manager Feb 19 11:02:07 laen: http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348 is the bug Feb 19 11:02:08 lindi-: e? Feb 19 11:02:13 sigi: e Feb 19 11:02:41 hmm, http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348 does not seem to respond. i better start to mirror those too Feb 19 11:02:53 is xfce or lxde useful and fingerfriendly? Feb 19 11:04:00 btw, my upgraded om2008.12 installation is indeed hosed after the "opkg upgrade" Feb 19 11:04:29 sigi: i use icewm Feb 19 11:04:36 sigi: i found xfce bit too heavy Feb 19 11:04:57 lindi-: Ok, gonna try "deian on freerunner" once more then Feb 19 11:05:29 are there rootfs.tar.gz's somewhere or is the installation script the way to go? Feb 19 11:05:47 sigi: installer Feb 19 11:06:06 sigi: but you can of course run the installer in qemu and copy the results to phone Feb 19 11:06:33 lindi-: thanks for the hint Feb 19 11:06:37 sigi: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/arm/ has premade qemu image Feb 19 11:08:44 lindi-: which needs 10GiB? Feb 19 11:09:36 sigi: it's qcow2 Feb 19 11:09:40 lindi-: or is this the max size of the filesystem of the image? Feb 19 11:09:46 lindi-: ok Feb 19 11:09:53 sigi: it'll grow automatically up to 10G Feb 19 11:11:09 lindi-: that's the problem I've got about 2GB free space on my notebook ;P Feb 19 11:14:08 laen: oooh, first boot should be with usb cable in? Feb 19 11:20:43 sigi: do it remotely on some other computer? Feb 19 11:25:24 qtextended tells me at the tab modem in system info, "Model: 'Neo1973 Embedded GSM Modem'" is that correct also for a freerunner? Feb 19 11:33:11 yes Feb 19 11:33:32 The modem is - pretty much - identical. Feb 19 11:38:15 soul9: ya Feb 19 11:39:28 So whats the best phone/sms app for debian right now? Feb 19 11:39:50 Has someone already tried paroli on debian? Feb 19 11:40:07 sigi: sadly there is bindings missing Feb 19 11:40:22 so paroli doesn't run on it yet, if you don't want to build them yourself Feb 19 11:40:27 phone works with qtextended Feb 19 11:40:37 what's paroli? Feb 19 11:41:05 really nice. the other person cannot send a busy message Feb 19 11:41:14 laen: http://www.paroli-project.org/about-paroli/ Feb 19 11:42:13 is it possible to install multiboot at openmoko? Feb 19 11:44:57 So, i'm asking myself.. *Why is paroli edje dependent.. i don't get it*. Feb 19 11:45:16 laen: how do you mean? Feb 19 11:45:25 Serdar: what is multiboot? Feb 19 11:45:26 I don't want enlightenment. Feb 19 11:45:38 mirko-paroli: So, paroli is a total no-go. Feb 19 11:46:02 It's aiming to be a framework and turns out not to be just a framework at all. Feb 19 11:46:08 laen: strong opinion. what would you prefer than? Feb 19 11:46:20 lindi-, selecting the distribution in uboot Feb 19 11:46:20 a framework? Feb 19 11:46:35 Serdar: just use different boot options for that? Feb 19 11:46:51 laen: isn't fso meant to be the framework? Feb 19 11:46:58 mirko-paroli: well, for example lindi- is making a python/gtk phone app. If paroli would just be a framework handling things, there would be no dependancy on whatever, and the front-end (phone or sms app) would have the deps. Feb 19 11:47:09 lindi-, to switch the dsitributions Feb 19 11:47:17 Serdar: yep Feb 19 11:47:30 Serdar: u-boot works just like grub in this case Feb 19 11:47:39 sigi: yeah but not as a layer between hardware and software.. the framework is just for handling, paroli could be that layer. Feb 19 11:47:42 laen: a) where do we claim to be a framework? Feb 19 11:47:56 qtextended is nice for calling, but I can't use wlan or gps, maybe another distribution can do that Feb 19 11:48:09 laen: where do we get the manpower to support all that if everyone is working on his own phone app ? Feb 19 11:48:12 mirko-paroli: nowhere, but why aren't ya? You're explaining paroli as if it is a layer between the hardware and frontends.. Feb 19 11:48:45 mirko-paroli: if everyone's working on their phone app, there's more time to develop paroli. Now, all the work will go to the paroli frontends. Feb 19 11:49:00 yes I do indeed, but pointing at python and efl, for now Feb 19 11:49:13 laen: i don't think that everyone will focus on the apps Feb 19 11:49:21 laen: and I Feb 19 11:49:35 and I'd be happy if there was effort to open up paroli a bit Feb 19 11:49:52 mind you tichy (our core) had support for multiple backends such as gtk etc Feb 19 11:50:04 we dropped it because we have no man-power Feb 19 11:50:26 so please before you claim we don't want something and hence are evil and smallsighted ask first Feb 19 11:51:18 the structure in paroli is also so flexible that you can easily replace the parts that are bound to efl Feb 19 11:51:19 No but i think this is just "yet another application" with ugly deps. So, if you think thats cool.. thats fine. I think it's a waste of effort again. Feb 19 11:52:28 you may very well think that, however it is a biased view and certainly not development friendly Feb 19 11:52:37 Sorry there, but it sounded exciting at start, guess i just was a bit overexcited. Feb 19 11:53:08 as I said we are open for everything and charlie, the main guy behind tichy, was very sad to drop the other graphics things Feb 19 11:53:14 if there is room and a group that wants to work on that Feb 19 11:53:17 be my guest Feb 19 11:53:20 No look at it this way: yay, paroli will run on OM2008.* or so, fine.. but what about running it on Debian, we will have to port it all again. Feb 19 11:53:45 laen: or port e libs? Feb 19 11:53:56 as I said the offer to change it and make it flexible upstream stands Feb 19 11:54:23 I simply don't have the time right now Feb 19 11:54:42 (and not the knowledge/expertise) Feb 19 11:54:52 Naw. Nevermind, i just got a bit too excited. So we now have Zhone, Openmoko-phonestuff, FSO stuff, Qtextended phonestuff and now paroli too, yay. Feb 19 11:55:21 paroli, openmoko-phonestuff and fso stuff are the same aren't they? Feb 19 11:55:26 zhone is a testing tool Feb 19 11:55:49 Yeah but the best working so far it seems. Feb 19 11:55:56 agreed Feb 19 11:56:13 So okay, you want another phone app for example.. why? Feb 19 11:56:20 another phone app? Feb 19 11:56:27 I want one Feb 19 11:56:30 Besides the openmoko and openmoko-zhone. Feb 19 11:56:30 not another one Feb 19 11:56:40 zhone is not meant to be for daily use Feb 19 11:56:46 Offcourse it's another one. Feb 19 11:56:52 it certainly is good enough to provide that Feb 19 11:57:36 I tried paroli and would be happy to replace zhone with it.. Feb 19 11:57:57 Yeah but that doesn't change my point sigi, that paroli is yet another phone app.. Feb 19 11:57:59 but it has its limits that are inherent and won't go away as it is not meant to be a full-blown phone app Feb 19 11:58:22 btw, mirko-paroli: who decided the sms background should be red? :) Feb 19 11:58:29 sigi LOL Feb 19 11:58:33 that is development Feb 19 11:58:42 thought so... Feb 19 11:58:46 TextView in etk does not allow me to change the text-color Feb 19 11:58:58 mirko-paroli: LOL, ok Feb 19 11:59:00 it should be white on black but I just can't get it there Feb 19 11:59:12 laen: i understand your point Feb 19 11:59:34 but I also think that complaining about something not being what you had hoped Feb 19 11:59:45 It was :) Feb 19 11:59:45 and accusing others of not being smart won't help Feb 19 11:59:53 Not saying your not smart :) Feb 19 12:00:06 well you said it is just same old same old Feb 19 12:00:09 I just feel that lots of effort are put in the wrong directions. Feb 19 12:00:10 how's android? Feb 19 12:00:21 Serdar: allmost functional. Feb 19 12:00:28 laen: my main thing is, that I don't like toolkits Feb 19 12:00:34 and would gladly replace all of them Feb 19 12:00:40 unfort I can't right now Feb 19 12:00:47 laen, phone, wlan, bt and gps too? Feb 19 12:01:01 om's distro's are running e so why should we go for something else Feb 19 12:01:05 however Feb 19 12:01:10 not blocking anything else Feb 19 12:01:22 Serdar: sort-off... wlan is hard to get working, gps works i believe, phone sound volume is too low, bt.. dunno. Feb 19 12:01:24 if someone says she/he wants to make it usable with gtk as well Feb 19 12:01:29 Serdar: looks like your gsm firmware is pretty old. I'd advise updating to moko11b1 Feb 19 12:01:38 I will gladly help wherever I can Feb 19 12:03:00 laen: and the phone, message handling stuff etc is all e independent Feb 19 12:03:12 there should only be e stuff in the apps and the gui module Feb 19 12:03:15 mirko-paroli: no as you and i before that allready said.. i got a bit excited thinking it was a framework. I'm not saying it's a bad project, i know people want something working and thus it's actually a good thing what you're doing. Just not what i'm waiting for or was hoping for :) Feb 19 12:03:40 Bad for me, thats all :P Feb 19 12:03:45 laen: and I am saying turn it into what you think it should be Feb 19 12:03:57 one does not mean we can't do the other Feb 19 12:04:08 mirko-paroli: can't make a mandarine out of an apple. Feb 19 12:04:12 mickeyl, how do I see how old my firmware is? Feb 19 12:04:15 laen: that would actually be worth a try. rewriting paroli to use gtk Feb 19 12:04:23 laen: well you want e deps to be gone Feb 19 12:04:24 Noo thanks. Feb 19 12:04:47 I want a layer.. paroli is no layer so rewriting it for gtk still doesn't get me what i want :) Feb 19 12:05:00 mirko-paroli: I might even try that but don't expect too much, I don't have a lot of experience Feb 19 12:05:05 you want it to not start apps? Feb 19 12:05:19 Serdar: no idea with qt/e Feb 19 12:05:21 laen: but to only answer calls from other apps via IPC? Feb 19 12:05:27 with fso or shr it's one dbus call Feb 19 12:05:27 mirko-paroli: not even talking about the free time :) Feb 19 12:05:44 Serdar: your model string sounds like moko8 or so though Feb 19 12:05:56 mirko-paroli: indeed. Feb 19 12:06:00 try talking with /dev/ttySAC0 Feb 19 12:06:03 and issue AT+CGMR Feb 19 12:06:05 sigi: hehe, looking forward seeing that come alive Feb 19 12:06:08 after stopping qt/e Feb 19 12:06:11 laen: actually that is on our plan as well Feb 19 12:06:24 laen: true you couldn't knwo as I didn't write it anywhere Feb 19 12:06:31 but that as well is "easily" doable Feb 19 12:06:33 But you integrate it into the apps, i want no integration whatsoever. Feb 19 12:06:34 but needs live and effort Feb 19 12:07:01 hoping i will find the time to write that with lindi- sometime soon :) Feb 19 12:07:04 mickeyl, I guess I don't have any /dev/ttySACX devices Feb 19 12:07:07 laen: no integration ... think I am not following Feb 19 12:07:37 I need to go to the hospital see you guys Feb 19 12:07:37 Serdar: that's unlikely. /dev/ttySAC0 is the modem Feb 19 12:07:38 it need live and effort of course ... Feb 19 12:07:54 mirko-paroli: well, that means it will become sort of a daemon.. but installing paroli will still require me to get edje etc. Feb 19 12:08:02 ah Feb 19 12:08:06 well Feb 19 12:08:08 if Feb 19 12:08:12 and this is speculation here Feb 19 12:08:15 And it will still get me the frontends etc. Feb 19 12:08:25 we split paroli into various packages Feb 19 12:08:27 having core Feb 19 12:08:30 giu Feb 19 12:08:32 and apps Feb 19 12:08:40 And that daemon will offcourse have paroli-specific stuff.. etc. Feb 19 12:08:40 the core does not require apps Feb 19 12:08:45 hmm Feb 19 12:08:50 Tichy right? Feb 19 12:09:19 yepp it is not the orig Feb 19 12:09:25 a bit streamlined Feb 19 12:09:28 but fast Feb 19 12:09:38 and in itself very reliable Feb 19 12:10:46 mirko-paroli: what distro are you running yourself, btw. SHR or FSO? Feb 19 12:11:15 sigi: an openmoko unstable based on fso Feb 19 12:11:22 never tried shr :( Feb 19 12:11:52 lean : in essence Feb 19 12:11:54 I completely agree with you Feb 19 12:12:16 it is very limiting and in my dream-world it is a home to all kinds of apps and tks and what not Feb 19 12:12:40 unfortunately we had to make certain sacrefices to get things moving Feb 19 12:12:42 but Feb 19 12:12:48 that does not mean we don't want them Feb 19 12:12:50 guess that Feb 19 12:12:59 is why I felt offended by what you said Feb 19 12:13:10 as I didn't want to drop flexibility Feb 19 12:14:32 mirko-paroli: Ah i can get a bit too excited and dissapointed too much sometimes :) Feb 19 12:14:39 Sorry for offending ya :) Feb 19 12:14:55 at the end of the day what counts is getting things done. what is the use of an überflexible thing if it will never reach the user. lets rather start small this time and enhance as we have one part completed. Feb 19 12:14:56 well you couldn't know what you stepped into Feb 19 12:15:07 mickeyl: yepp agreed Feb 19 12:15:29 mickeyl: btw do you have the time to test the unstable paroli images? Feb 19 12:16:01 not yet, i'm just about to release the milestone5 refresh 5.1, then i will branch 5.5 for Angus, and then I have time to test paroli. Feb 19 12:16:10 ah ok Feb 19 12:16:37 is the SIM bug a problem for you? Feb 19 12:16:44 should i try to fix it before 5.1 or not? Feb 19 12:16:52 err Feb 19 12:16:54 sms bug Feb 19 12:16:55 mickeyl: we built around it for now Feb 19 12:17:03 ok, good Feb 19 12:17:11 we just manually delete from the sim after receiving Feb 19 12:17:38 so sending and receiving works without probs now Feb 19 12:18:07 of sms that is ofc Feb 19 12:18:44 mickeyl: the fso distros don't suspend do they? Feb 19 12:19:17 Will asked about it when I mentioned the screen-lock ... Feb 19 12:19:20 autosuspend is deactivated by default Feb 19 12:19:29 add a rule and it does Feb 19 12:19:36 ah and will it wake up? Feb 19 12:19:44 of course Feb 19 12:19:47 i think i tried that by pressing the power button and then calling ... Feb 19 12:19:48 suspend/resume is rock solid with ms5 Feb 19 12:19:49 ah ok Feb 19 12:19:51 nice Feb 19 12:19:58 I'll give it a go :) Feb 19 12:20:07 i'm using fso5 for my daily phone since monday Feb 19 12:20:17 that's the only thing missing to me going to paroli daily Feb 19 12:20:17 cool Feb 19 12:20:18 congrats Feb 19 12:20:21 zhone ? ;) Feb 19 12:20:35 for now yeah, that's the thing I'm familiar with Feb 19 12:20:40 hopefully soon paroli Feb 19 12:20:47 hehe, hope so too :=) Feb 19 12:20:55 i did also conduct standby tests Feb 19 12:20:56 see here: Feb 19 12:21:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime Feb 19 12:21:15