**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 23 02:59:58 2009 Feb 23 03:07:19 whaats up Feb 23 03:08:48 Slaxxer: I think I hear crickets....you? Feb 23 03:10:01 spiders barking Feb 23 03:10:24 im ready for an shr release:) Feb 23 03:10:48 mine works pretty well with an older kernel Feb 23 03:10:55 I flashed FSO onto my phone this evening. The SMS part seems to be disabled. Has anyone seen that before? Feb 23 03:11:56 i recieved a call while using pythm an it switched to the call then back to the song all by itself:) Feb 23 03:12:17 I think the log is saying something about not being able to append with nulls. Feb 23 03:12:32 i had to answer the call ofcourse Feb 23 03:12:55 :) Feb 23 03:14:05 thanks for all u do Dave Feb 23 03:14:17 what is it that u do? Feb 23 03:14:25 Dave Feb 23 03:14:55 hardware testing? Feb 23 03:15:19 fire proffing? Feb 23 03:15:20 ' Feb 23 03:15:27 Somewhere in between :D Feb 23 06:33:00 openmoko: 03werner * r4924 10/developers/werner/stdlog/ (. Makefile stdlog.c): "Script" workalike but without requiring a tty. Feb 23 07:45:17 morning Feb 23 08:09:23 Moh. Feb 23 10:08:01 hallo hab mal ne frage ich kann den ssh key speichern damit ich ohne password beim fr einloggen kann. Weiß eriner wie das auch umgekhert geht ? Feb 23 10:18:58 freerunnerlive: depends on what SSH server you use. with dropbear and openssh you just place your public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys -- just like on any other hardware Feb 23 10:32:47 Immanuel:~/.ssh# scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub root@neo:/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys Feb 23 10:33:07 ssh neo Feb 23 10:33:07 root@192.168.178.22's password: Feb 23 10:33:21 must i restart ssh ? Feb 23 10:33:27 freerunnerlive: shouldn't need to Feb 23 10:34:30 freerunnerlive: does it log anything? Feb 23 10:35:17 must i copy thios ? /.ssh/id_rsa Feb 23 10:35:25 or this /.ssh/id_rsa.pub Feb 23 10:35:46 freerunnerlive: public key only Feb 23 10:36:06 with thist ? dropbearkey -t rsa -f id_rsa.pub Feb 23 10:36:26 freerunnerlive: i used normal openssh ssh-keygen Feb 23 10:36:40 freerunnerlive: but dropbearkey probably should do too. are you really using dropbear on your PC? Feb 23 10:37:01 on pc is no drobbear Feb 23 10:37:07 is this the problem ? Feb 23 10:48:51 How come when I flash Android to my FR I cannot get GSM signal anymore? Feb 23 10:52:43 http://eviljaymz.com/files/whypeopleseemtohavefreetime.png Feb 23 10:53:00 freerunnerlive: how did you generate your public key? Feb 23 10:53:14 jrodger: what are you sending to the GSM chip? Feb 23 10:54:29 lindi: I am just trying to use the phone Feb 23 10:55:54 jrodger: ok ok, but to figure out the problem i need to know what you are sending to the gsm chip Feb 23 10:58:12 lindi: I had flashed with Android uImage-v12.bin and freerunner-v12.jffs2 Feb 23 11:01:12 jrodger: that doesn't help me much, sorry Feb 23 11:02:29 lindi: I have a Vodafone 3G phone sim......does that help? Feb 23 11:02:42 jrodger: nope Feb 23 11:03:03 jrodger: i can help if i know what you are sending to /dev/ttySAC0 to the gsm chip Feb 23 11:03:27 jrodger: got lsof and strace? Feb 23 11:12:03 not tried yet, will have a look.....brb Feb 23 11:20:27 lindi-: i re-uploaded the svg source and added a link on that page to the necessary png file. Is it ok now? Feb 23 11:21:48 PaulFertser_: seems to be Feb 23 11:22:17 PaulFertser_: the file still mentions /home/pavel though if you look carefully :) Feb 23 11:25:01 lindi-: i don't real care about export file name (and my real name as well) Feb 23 11:25:21 PaulFertser_: yeah it doesn't matter Feb 23 12:21:46 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * rf5060958b6ee 10/pycd/ (pyc.c pycd.py): pyc: add a unix socket interface Feb 23 12:21:47 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r382de6e12a42 10/pycd/ (pyc.c pycd.py): pyc: support waiting until the child is done Feb 23 12:21:48 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r79019eca43bc 10/pycd/TODO: pyc: update TODO Feb 23 12:21:49 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r79042eaa15a2 10/pycd/ (pyc.c pycd.py): pyc: update license Feb 23 13:24:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r41bcdfdfa608 10/mickeyterm/mickeyterm: add debug log for mickeyterm Feb 23 13:32:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r5509afd1d414 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: don't deactivate a pdp object that is not yet existing Feb 23 13:32:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * reed87f3e3287 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: remove per-command timeouts Feb 23 13:32:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r6495c7196893 10framework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Feb 23 13:32:44 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Rewritten timeout handling and unsolicited message handling. Feb 23 13:32:45 freesmartphone.org: We now maintain a list of valid prefixes for every command Feb 23 13:32:47 freesmartphone.org: in the Queue. Once the parser processes a complete line, it checks whether Feb 23 13:32:49 freesmartphone.org: this line contains expected results. With this, it's safe to operate modems Feb 23 13:32:51 freesmartphone.org: that mix unsolicited and solicited responses. It's also a safeguard against Feb 23 13:32:53 freesmartphone.org: race conditions when talking to the modem over buffered lines. Feb 23 13:34:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r63a030a47c2a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: Feb 23 13:34:42 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] send %CUNS=0 on startup. It now sends unsolicited responses Feb 23 13:34:42 freesmartphone.org: directly once they're generated, which leads to potentially lots of mixed Feb 23 13:34:42 freesmartphone.org: solicited/unsolicited responses. This should be a nice test-case for our new Feb 23 13:34:44 freesmartphone.org: handling. Feb 23 13:47:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r2072eae52f1a 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: Feb 23 13:47:59 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: improve AUTOPREFIX handling. We can compute them for combined AT commands now Feb 23 13:47:59 freesmartphone.org: as well (AT+FOO;+BAR;...) Feb 23 13:49:39 <|Marco|> lindi-: I'm wondering if I'd try and reproduce the lockup I got last night, I've got the debug board (v3) hooked up and get whatever data needed. I can run any image you prefer, if it's any help to anyone that is :) Feb 23 13:50:55 <|Marco|> I think it was with gsm, gps and wifi activated at the same time Feb 23 13:51:01 <|Marco|> under shr Feb 23 14:05:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r9acdee268f9d 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: ogsmd: fix new parser for solicited messages with PDUs (+CMGL, what else?) Feb 23 14:13:11 |Marco|: i am not lucky enough to have a debug board at all, with it you should be ble to figure out what it is doing Feb 23 14:19:21 lpotter, are you alive? Feb 23 14:23:35 openmoko: 03werner * r4925 10/developers/werner/athintd/ (. Makefile athintd.c): Feb 23 14:23:35 openmoko: Daemon to execute an arbitrary command when the AR6k driver signals Feb 23 14:23:35 openmoko: a firmware failure. Requires the AR6k driver to be compiled with Feb 23 14:23:35 openmoko: -DSEND_EVENT_TO_APP. Work in progress. Feb 23 14:26:23 <|Marco|> lindi-: yes, that's what I'm hoping for, I'm just not good enough at understanding error messages and some other things. Ergo, I can do whatever you need if you want Feb 23 14:40:29 |Marco|: have you used debug board before? Feb 23 14:58:30 <|Marco|> lindi-: no, but it depends on what you need me to do Feb 23 15:00:07 <|Marco|> http://marco.cakebox.net/?topic=pdb&pid=800&type=2&l=0&a=16 Feb 23 15:02:34 <|Marco|> lindi-: I'll probably figure out how to do what's needed Feb 23 15:03:47 Hi, I'm new to this channel and I'm trying to find out who is "TeamHamburg" on http://cellhunter.omoco.de/ because I want to join them. Any idea who task to join? Feb 23 15:08:24 <|Marco|> vollkorn: sorry, no. but have you checked for irc channels or email adresses to contact them on theire web side ? Feb 23 15:08:29 <|Marco|> err.. site Feb 23 15:09:23 Marco: They do have a website? Feb 23 15:09:32 <|Marco|> I belive so Feb 23 15:09:34 Marco: or did you mean cellhunter? Feb 23 15:09:40 <|Marco|> cellhunter Feb 23 15:09:50 <|Marco|> hold on Feb 23 15:13:17 ahoi Feb 23 15:15:24 <|Marco|> PBeck: ahoi there mate :D Feb 23 15:15:52 beware the bugs on starboard! Feb 23 15:16:00 <|Marco|> vollkorn: sorry, can't find anything Feb 23 15:16:23 vollkorn, : just mail them Feb 23 15:16:27 <|Marco|> kernel panic ahead! Feb 23 15:16:32 Marco: Same problem as I have. Feb 23 15:16:55 hi all i just installed cacao and claspath on the fso build 5 but all i get when i try to start java is: Absurd stack bottom value Aborted Feb 23 15:17:11 Marco: where do you see TeamHamburgs mailaddress? Feb 23 15:17:28 <|Marco|> I didn't Feb 23 15:17:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sEj2oiSRBk Feb 23 15:17:44 vollkorn, :Sebastian Hammerl Feb 23 15:18:13 has anybody had the same problem? Feb 23 15:18:33 ah oops, sorry, thought you meant to join the developper vollkorn , my bad Feb 23 15:19:14 Zorkman: Thanks anyway Feb 23 15:19:25 vollkorn, since they are germans; why don't you try #neo1973-germany ? Feb 23 15:19:31 a lot of germans in there :) Feb 23 15:19:43 Zorkman: Because I didn't know of this channel yet ;) Feb 23 15:20:25 we're here to help (and talk in pirate jargon aaaaaargh!) Feb 23 15:21:07 has anybody a running java version on his freerunner? Feb 23 15:21:32 <|Marco|> Zorkman: aargh!! Feb 23 15:33:53 anyone know where i can get ecalc? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2b59f0f8e666d6478fbe3c5b213c3cb9.png Feb 23 15:37:24 Latest shr(freesmartphone) is really greate! I have gprs "online" uptime 24h, it successfully reconnects after suspend and so on! Feb 23 15:37:29 Zorkman: googling with 'ecalc opkg' gave me an irc log with opkg install http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Feb 23 15:37:32 :) Feb 23 15:37:41 thats nice, put it in shr! Feb 23 15:41:01 max_posedon: online - without USB? Feb 23 15:41:17 with and without Feb 23 15:41:23 I mean - without charger Feb 23 15:41:23 I don't mean uptime Feb 23 15:41:31 Do you mean battery life? Feb 23 15:41:36 I mean it reconnects after suspend!!! Feb 23 15:41:45 ah Feb 23 15:41:47 successfuly!! themself!! Feb 23 15:42:08 and during all this I successfully make calls. Feb 23 15:42:13 neat http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0632.html Feb 23 15:42:14 oops Feb 23 15:42:17 neat Feb 23 15:44:32 rhkfin, thanks! Feb 23 15:49:35 <|Marco|> max_posedon: how about with gps and/or wifi activated at the same time? (neo1973 or FreeRunner?) Feb 23 16:28:31 :max_posedon is shr realy goog the unstable ? Feb 23 16:28:48 i use the last testing Feb 23 16:29:34 openmoko-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090218-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? Feb 23 17:53:00 l Feb 23 18:03:00 l Feb 23 18:05:20 spaetz: Who in SHR is responsible for the distribution package/software selection? Feb 23 18:09:18 stra: tell them to put this in http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2b59f0f8e666d6478fbe3c5b213c3cb9.png http://sylar-stuff.googlecode.com/files/ecalc_0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk Feb 23 18:32:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r553ec4592a22 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/parser.py modems/abstract/mediator.py): Feb 23 18:32:28 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: support allowing all prefixes for commands -- this is necessary for the few Feb 23 18:32:28 freesmartphone.org: commands that do not need to answer with the prefix, e.g. +CIMI is allowed to answer Feb 23 18:32:28 freesmartphone.org: directly with the SIM's IMSI Feb 23 18:32:30 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r4b506bd69bf6 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: Feb 23 18:32:33 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] the AlwaysUnsolicitedParser is no longer necessary now Feb 23 18:32:35 freesmartphone.org: that the StateBasedLowLevelParser is good enough. Feb 23 18:32:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r08a5070a5974 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: use more strict RE for AUTOPREFIX matching Feb 23 18:32:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/ogsmd-new-timeout * r858c8d58d1f7 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (gsm/parser.py modems/ti_calypso/mediator.py): Feb 23 18:32:43 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: teach parse about 'PDU' special prefix that does accept everything Feb 23 18:32:45 freesmartphone.org: that starts with {0123456789ABCDEF} Feb 23 18:33:36 toggles_w: you could upload the package to opkg.org Feb 23 18:37:39 fradeve: i was hoping it was in oe Feb 23 18:50:50 hello Feb 23 18:51:37 how can i copy the files from my freerunner to openmoko ? Feb 23 18:52:54 akus: what? Feb 23 18:55:37 PaulFertser_: i don't remember the syntax of scp command Feb 23 18:55:50 to copy a file from freerunner to pc Feb 23 18:56:17 akus: scp where source is loginname@host:/path Feb 23 18:56:26 akus: there's "man scp" there for you ;) Feb 23 19:08:57 stra: Ainulindale and mrmoku would be my first bets... Feb 23 19:09:03 what was the channel for android and openmoko? Feb 23 19:12:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * re21263eed75f 10/gsm0710mux/ (channel.vala serial.vala): refactor serial and pty in order to prepare for socket abstraction Feb 23 19:20:49 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r2f8eebe0b1ee 10/gsm0710mux/serial.vala: refactoring complete, it still works Feb 23 19:45:19 type = "IRC"; Feb 23 19:45:19 }; Feb 23 19:45:29 type = "IRC"; Feb 23 19:45:29 }; Feb 23 19:45:30 type = "IRC"; Feb 23 19:45:30 }; Feb 23 19:45:57 sorry about that :/ Feb 23 19:59:41 exit Feb 23 20:46:10 my phone log was lost again. Feb 23 20:46:39 i rebooted but i still get an error message. Feb 23 20:46:49 how to get my phone log back? Feb 23 20:50:20 uhsf: which distro? Feb 23 20:51:29 shr Feb 23 20:51:59 uhsf: so, you're talking about pyphonelog probably? Feb 23 20:52:31 phone log stopped running unexpectedly. there was no error message. Feb 23 20:54:05 uhsf: run it from the command line and pastebin the traceback probably? Feb 23 20:54:12 i'm talking about the application called Phone Log where i can see calls that i received or sent. Feb 23 20:54:51 uhsf: start it from command line then and you'll see what's wrong there Feb 23 20:57:33 sqlite3.OperationalError: Could not decode to UTF-8 column 'number' with text '?? Feb 23 20:57:42 uhsf, I had a similar problem after someone called me up anonymously Feb 23 20:58:09 so how did you get it back? Feb 23 20:58:48 you can either throw away the phone log databse file Feb 23 20:59:00 or remove that record from it Feb 23 20:59:50 I think they solved the issue, but I don't know if that change made it into testing Feb 23 21:00:18 Testing is not maintained for quite some time, currently unstable is considered the most stable SHR :) Feb 23 21:00:29 The plan is to move current unstable to testing soon. Feb 23 21:01:44 PaulFertser_, I know, but I was having trouble with bug #296, so I'm still on a testing image Feb 23 21:01:48 removing that record would mean to have sqlite knowledge. that's not really convenient. Feb 23 21:01:57 uhsf, indeed :) Feb 23 21:02:29 another learning opportunity :) Feb 23 21:02:52 uhsf: sqlite knowledge is nothing very specific comparing to usual sql knowledge. Feb 23 21:03:44 i guess i just don't have that much time to spend on my phone Feb 23 21:04:11 samgee: #296 is fixed Feb 23 21:04:49 PaulFertser_, I have the same problem regarding time as uhsf :) Feb 23 21:05:41 somehow, sleeping less doesn't really solve that Feb 23 21:05:54 No wonder, more time, less efficiency. Feb 23 21:07:27 meh, I can be effecient when I'm dead Feb 23 21:07:34 no wait, that was sleeping Feb 23 21:18:24 Does the pil (Python imaging library) exist for om? Feb 23 21:27:19 Hey Gnutoo :) Have you flashed the firmware? ;) Feb 23 21:27:49 PaulFertser_, i will do it...I didn't have time yet Feb 23 21:27:58 PaulFertser_, maybe now... Feb 23 21:29:08 Gnutoo: btw, if you're running SHR, there's no need to flash another distro really. Feb 23 21:29:37 ok i'm running SHR unstable Feb 23 21:29:40 Gnutoo: or FSO or Debian. I just don't know anything about H:1 and qtopia Feb 23 21:29:48 do I have to put a sim card inside to flash it? Feb 23 21:29:54 ok Feb 23 21:30:18 Gnutoo: so, no need to flash anything else really. You better do not put sim card in, but in my experience it didn't hurt. But if it's not in now, no need to do it. Feb 23 21:30:40 ok Feb 23 21:31:09 Gnutoo: so, you need to kill ophonekitd and ensure it doesn't start again. Are you comfortable with it? Feb 23 21:31:16 yes Feb 23 21:31:26 i've things such as lsof Feb 23 21:31:30 Gnutoo: after that check you have no gsm0710muxd running anymore Feb 23 21:32:13 Gnutoo: and use the command from "Troubleshooting" on the wiki page to actually flash, that's the preferred method anyway. Feb 23 21:32:29 ok Feb 23 21:33:01 Gnutoo: get moko11 from http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/calypso-moko11-beta1.m0 Feb 23 21:33:56 Gnutoo: follow Phase1, then get straight to Troubleshooting. Feb 23 21:34:08 ok thanks a lot Feb 23 21:36:22 Gnutoo: sometimes (probably once in 10 times) one needs to reissue power down/up commands (leaving the fluid.exe running) if it stays at (reset target) after you power on. Feb 23 21:36:32 ok Feb 23 21:37:40 is that ok: 33e6bbd60bf882011588ba8b3af4441c fluid_0.0+svn20070817-r2_armv4t_eabi.ipk ? (md5sum) Feb 23 21:40:03 Gnutoo: yes Feb 23 21:40:14 ok so I bet the others are ok too Feb 23 21:40:25 Gnutoo: anyway my guess is that opkg won't install a corrupted archive. Feb 23 21:40:47 ok Feb 23 21:45:30 Any GTA01 owner out there? Feb 23 21:47:41 PaulFertser_, i've reseted the GSM modem and it's still stuck at: Bootloader: (reset target) Feb 23 21:47:49 Gnutoo: reset it again Feb 23 21:48:08 ok Feb 23 21:48:47 Gnutoo: did it work the second time? Feb 23 21:48:49 ah ok there is no /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on Feb 23 21:49:00 Gnutoo: ahaha Feb 23 21:49:10 ah yes there is strange Feb 23 21:49:40 Gnutoo: hm, use find Feb 23 21:50:22 http://rafb.net/p/4wFyyU10.html Feb 23 21:51:04 Gnutoo: did you "cd" to /usr/sbin before trying that? Feb 23 21:51:13 no i'll do it Feb 23 21:52:05 it's checksumming now Feb 23 21:52:33 s/checksumming/programming Feb 23 21:52:34 Gnutoo: cool Feb 23 21:52:49 Gnutoo: that's it, basically, after it's done you can restart ophonekitd. Feb 23 21:53:06 ok Feb 23 21:53:47 Gnutoo: oh, btw, should have told you you're not supposed to run any programs too actively using cpu or io while doing that. But it doesn't matter, cause it's ROM bootloader anyway. Feb 23 21:54:36 ok thanks it has finished...i'll put another problematic sim inside the phone(i'll try the 3g sim card tomorrow) Feb 23 21:54:43 thanks a lot!!! Feb 23 21:55:18 Gnutoo: you're welcome. BTW, ophonekitd had a problem 2 weeks ago which was uncovered by proper hardware flowcontrol. I hope you're using a recent enough version. Feb 23 21:55:57 ok i'll opkg update && opkg upgrade Feb 23 21:56:24 Gnutoo: i hope you're not using pre-fastboot version. Feb 23 21:56:50 PaulFertser_, no i'm using a recent version and i'm using the unstable version Feb 23 21:56:52 booted Feb 23 21:57:24 Gnutoo: unstable had fastboot disabled as well some time ago. Feb 23 21:57:33 ok Feb 23 22:06:10 Gnutoo: so, have you already tried it? Feb 23 22:08:00 yes with the old problematic card I couldn't access sms,contacts etc...it was empty...but with the recent one it's ok Feb 23 22:08:06 i'll try the 3g card Feb 23 22:08:35 (but the pin was accepted for the old card) Feb 23 22:08:44 Gnutoo: don't forget that the network should still support 2g for that to work. Feb 23 22:08:46 hmm, maybe I might find a little tome to continue uSD-image for MOKO11 Feb 23 22:09:01 s/to/ti/ Feb 23 22:09:01 jOERG_rw meant: hmm, maybe I might find a little time to continue uSD-image for MOKO11 Feb 23 22:09:18 jOERG_rw: do you have any issues left with booting? Feb 23 22:09:59 no progress on that yet. That's why I just pondered. Feeling like kinda late :-/ Feb 23 22:10:32 was busy with flu. (think it will never ever vanish again) Feb 23 22:10:46 4 Feb 23 22:11:00 5 Feb 23 22:11:01 6 Feb 23 22:11:13 But you see, those interested can come to IRC and get qualified advice. In fact, i think i can tweak wiki page to provide the instructions i provided today to make it even more easily accessible for "end-users". Feb 23 22:11:34 go ahead. Wellcome Feb 23 22:12:08 mmm on my old phone my old card works Feb 23 22:12:11 think we must talk Dieter into removing the "beta1" as well Feb 23 22:12:13 i'll retry Feb 23 22:12:22 Not today, i was going to finish a "decent" post describing my bluetooth "adventures". Feb 23 22:12:36 cool Feb 23 22:12:48 don't forget to CC me ;-) Feb 23 22:13:24 Gnutoo: you know that you have to wait some time after registering before your sim phonebook and messagebook will be accessible (like 30 seconds or more), don't you? Feb 23 22:13:38 PaulFertser_, ok thanks Feb 23 22:13:42 i'll wait Feb 23 22:13:55 but if it doesn't register? Feb 23 22:14:36 Gnutoo: then something else is wrong. But i think any 2G-capable sim works with moko9 and higher firmware versions. Feb 23 22:14:36 maybe trying the 3g card instead of this one is a better idea Feb 23 22:14:54 no it's normal...the card is too old for beeing registered Feb 23 22:15:20 (i move between countries each 3-4 years and so the old sim cards aren't used anymore) Feb 23 22:16:26 Gnutoo: then probably ophonekitd or even FSO don't want to show you your contacts before it registers. I'm not sure of that one. Feb 23 22:16:58 PaulFertser_, ok is it a bug? should I bugreport? or is it normal? Feb 23 22:18:32 Gnutoo: hm, i'd check the sources first. Feb 23 22:19:21 Gnutoo: but with the old card and old firmware you couldn't even enter PIN, right? Feb 23 22:19:47 yes Feb 23 22:20:07 bugreport not for the firmware but for ophonekitd Feb 23 22:20:58 Gnutoo: probably even FSO, but that should be investigated independetly. Can you try Zhone (i think it's not a problem to run it on SHR)? But wait for a minute after entering the pin to be sure. Feb 23 22:21:14 ok thanks Feb 23 22:21:34 i'll try AT commands Feb 23 22:21:53 The most direct way, yes :) Feb 23 22:22:48 anybody play nintendo gaems on their phone? Feb 23 22:26:30 AT commands via FSO work Feb 23 22:27:05 Gnutoo: but you still don't know if it's FSO or SHR bug :) Feb 23 22:27:18 yes i'll install FSO Feb 23 22:27:24 No, there's no need Feb 23 22:27:36 Gnutoo: i think opkg install zhone is enough Feb 23 22:27:56 thanks a lot Feb 23 22:36:39 Unerwhat to do after 7. http://trac.koolu.org/ ? Feb 23 22:37:09 Enjoy unique A experience Feb 23 22:39:00 how to enjoy, it need to be installed on my openmoko, but if I'm sure there was no jffs2 compiled Feb 23 22:40:26 Serdar: that was a sarcastic comment meaning that in my opinion enjoying and using android at the same time is not possible. Feb 23 22:45:43 PaulFertser_, what do you mean? Feb 23 22:46:18 Serdar: first of all, android is not free software. Feb 23 22:46:32 Serdar: second, it's not targeted for hackers. Feb 23 22:46:49 Serdar: third, it doesn't work reliably on FR anyway (probably yet). Feb 23 22:46:52 android is GPL if I got it wrong Feb 23 22:47:28 Serdar: you got it wrong Feb 23 22:49:40 which open source licence does it have then? Feb 23 22:50:06 was it apache? Feb 23 22:50:08 seems to be FSO Feb 23 22:53:18 Serdar: apache for most userspace, GPL for kernel part and PROPRIETARY for some very important user-space parts, including GSM library. Feb 23 22:54:42 Gnutoo: ok, now you can ask mickey|bbl if accessing contacts and smses without registration should work. :) Feb 23 22:55:00 PaulFertser_: any idea what the GSM library does? Feb 23 22:55:39 lindi-: panicking knows that better but i guess all modem-specific stuff. Feb 23 22:55:51 PaulFertser_, ok thanks a lot i'll ask it to him tomorrow when he'll be back...i add it on my todo list(pimlico on the openmoko) Feb 23 22:56:05 PaulFertser_: at least the AT parser is free Feb 23 22:56:13 Gnutoo: he's already back, btw Feb 23 22:56:26 PaulFertser_, ah ok thanks Feb 23 22:56:53 PaulFertser_: it is an interesting question whether it is more ok to have proprietary stuff on a separate procesor or on the main processor Feb 23 22:56:56 lindi-: i wonder why was it so hard to fix improper for calypso CPIN command. Feb 23 22:57:10 PaulFertser_: android AT parser? Feb 23 22:57:20 i think it had some #ifdef's for that? Feb 23 22:57:46 lindi-: the guys used to send some mails with proprietary binaries over the openmoko-kernel mailing list to solve that. Feb 23 22:57:48 mickey|bbl, hello, should the access of sms and contacts on the sim without network registration work in FSO? Feb 23 22:57:56 yes Feb 23 22:58:10 PaulFertser_: "interesting" Feb 23 22:58:20 mickey|bbl, so I might have an old version of FSO or I may have found a bug Feb 23 22:58:26 mickey|bbl: sorry for taking so long to test the StartAutoRegister issue btw Feb 23 22:58:51 i'll retry zhone Feb 23 22:58:53 lindi-: no problem. StartAutoRegister is not using the Resource system yet Feb 23 23:00:32 hey peoplz Feb 23 23:00:32 mickey|bbl: i did some testing today with a minimal "dialer" that sits in the background and lets me answer calls with AUX. the point is that I am doing Xorg testing and I want to be able to answer calls no matter how broken X is :) Feb 23 23:00:58 lindi-: sounds good Feb 23 23:01:03 ah ok import error Feb 23 23:01:05 for that you should set the resource policy to enabled Feb 23 23:01:10 and then start auto register Feb 23 23:01:10 anyone here using dillo under 2008.12? Feb 23 23:01:17 mickey|bbl: I even got this crazy idea: start everything needed to answer calls to initramfs so that I can answer calls even while fsck is running :-) Feb 23 23:01:59 mickey|bbl: people have been starting ssh servers from initramfs during fsck for a while (it is useful for admins to be able to access the system early) so this is totally doable even if it sounds hackish Feb 23 23:02:22 lindi-: not crazy at all, i like that Feb 23 23:02:37 mickey|bbl: it would also tolerate SD card dying Feb 23 23:03:22 and with all the glamo/SD bugs it is not totally unlikely scenario that SD card access blocks but otherwise the system works Feb 23 23:03:45 * SpeedEvil wonders what fraction of those bugs will also lock up the display. Feb 23 23:03:52 mickey|bbl: how do i set the resource policy to enabled? Feb 23 23:04:10 mickey|bbl: i am running only ogsmd Feb 23 23:04:24 ah right Feb 23 23:04:31 you don't want to use all the goodies Feb 23 23:04:41 that won't work then Feb 23 23:04:42 mickey|bbl: i'm afraid of bugs :) Feb 23 23:04:55 there are plenty of kernel/X/ogsmd bugs left Feb 23 23:05:10 so you will start using it eventually? Feb 23 23:05:11 when those work reliably i can start testing fancier subsystems ;) Feb 23 23:05:17 mickey|bbl: i don't know Feb 23 23:05:24 can't seem to get a keyboard in dillo... Feb 23 23:05:26 :P Feb 23 23:06:00 PaulFertser_: do you remember when they talked about binaries on kernel list? december? earlier? Feb 23 23:06:10 lindi-: i keep accidently calling somebody when i'm trying to hang up Feb 23 23:06:23 orzo: in kapula? Feb 23 23:06:26 yes Feb 23 23:06:36 i try to use that menu with my finger Feb 23 23:06:40 and miss Feb 23 23:06:44 how's shr and FSO? Feb 23 23:06:44 i guess Feb 23 23:07:17 lindi-: no, January. Then i wrote a rant about how sick i'm of that inappropriate stuff and they left :) Feb 23 23:07:24 orzo: yeah i need to figure out how to use GTK themese to make the menus larger Feb 23 23:07:36 orzo: i agree it is not very usable :( Feb 23 23:08:15 mickey|bbl: but can you make StartAutoRegister at least fail so that I can loop while it succeeds? Feb 23 23:08:27 s/while/until/ Feb 23 23:08:27 lindi- meant: mickey|bbl: but can you make StartAutoRegister at least fail so that I can loop until it succeeds? Feb 23 23:08:45 well Feb 23 23:08:50 lindi, do you know what would be great? A mostly drag-and-drop interface to the phone. Drag-and-drop is pretty nice on a little touch screen Feb 23 23:08:51 you are supposed to enable gsm first Feb 23 23:08:55 then launch autoregsiter Feb 23 23:09:11 mickey|bbl, http://rafb.net/p/1pkJNc89.html Feb 23 23:09:15 so a call appears, ok, drag it to the activation icon Feb 23 23:09:20 mickey|bbl, it's the zhone log Feb 23 23:09:20 i will add the resource-enabled checkers from the other methods to gsmphone Feb 23 23:09:25 orzo: fingers Feb 23 23:09:37 orzo: that means the area for the phone call to appear needs to be large. Feb 23 23:09:38 Gnutoo: looks like you don't have the illume module Feb 23 23:09:42 orzo: as does the target Feb 23 23:09:45 of course Feb 23 23:09:54 Gnutoo: this is a compiled module. if you just copied the code over, you will be missing that Feb 23 23:09:56 orzo: it means there is no 'accept' button in a consistent place Feb 23 23:09:56 i envision an interface with basically four icons Feb 23 23:10:05 no Feb 23 23:10:13 it doesnt mean that Feb 23 23:10:35 mickey|bbl, where can i find it without bitbaking it(would take too long) Feb 23 23:10:41 ? Feb 23 23:10:42 mickey|bbl: but if I "sleep 60" it works? Feb 23 23:10:53 Gnutoo: in any of the feeds Feb 23 23:11:02 downloads.freesmartphone.org, for a start Feb 23 23:11:31 lindi-: yes, since frameworkd will enable the resource if you have no usaged running Feb 23 23:11:32 ok thanks a lot(i'll search for python and illume) Feb 23 23:11:41 mickey|bbl: ok but that happens too late Feb 23 23:11:44 there is one icon at the bottom that selects a single contact item, either from a phonebook, or from the set of incomming calls. there is another icon representing a place holder for activating a call or selected active call Feb 23 23:12:43 to answer, you drag the incomming call to the activator, to hangup, you drag the active call to the trashbin. To put somebody on hold, you drag them out of the active call area into the hold area Feb 23 23:12:56 lindi-: the correct order is first enabling the resource Feb 23 23:13:01 then launching autoregister Feb 23 23:13:07 orzo: that'd look cool when you have multiple calls on hold :) Feb 23 23:13:13 orzo: to order a killing, you drag the contract info into the trashcan? Feb 23 23:13:23 you will get a signal, when the resource has been enabled Feb 23 23:13:25 mickey|bbl: but without ousaged i can't enable it? ;) Feb 23 23:13:33 lindi-: yes, since frameworkd will enable the resource if you have no usaged running Feb 23 23:13:38