**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 26 02:59:57 2009 Feb 26 03:57:30 Mirko, if you are around, gotta say the progress being made on Paroli is amazing. Feb 26 05:11:23 nuclear_eclipse, how is your miracle phone working? :P Feb 26 05:11:32 I'm loving it :) Feb 26 05:11:43 I was just raving about it in another channel :P Feb 26 05:15:45 lindi-, i already had the code, so figured i'd use it Feb 26 05:23:44 y'know Dave, if you were to sell all your mokos on eBay, you too might be able to buy a real phone. Feb 26 05:23:49 haha Feb 26 05:23:55 Mwester :( Feb 26 05:24:18 It's nearly the end of February. Are we any closer to a stable kernel? Feb 26 05:24:26 I'd rather go mokojihadist and wire myself up with a mokobelt. Feb 26 05:24:36 Haha, true... :\ Feb 26 05:24:53 I'd prefer to stone Steve to death with mokos myself. Feb 26 05:26:32 Huzzah! :D Feb 26 05:41:34 so, uh, anyone know if wireless got any more stable? Feb 26 05:46:14 timur: don't look like it, i just tried Mofi on SHR unstable and the gui fails/hangs Feb 26 05:46:28 hehe grreat :) Feb 26 05:46:54 trying now to install wicd, but not sure if it works on SHR... Feb 26 05:46:59 yea, i was messing with FR a bit today and realized that i have to wait for a bit for association and then it will drop randomly Feb 26 05:47:15 timur: what kernel do you have? Feb 26 05:47:22 one sec Feb 26 05:47:45 om-gta02 2.6.24 Feb 26 05:47:50 what are you running? Feb 26 05:48:29 28-rc4 Feb 26 05:49:27 do you know what changed between the versions or if it's more stable? Feb 26 05:49:30 I was hoping wifi would have gotten better with that version, but Mofi fails. I've made wifi work on 24, but from the terminal and that's so userfriendly Feb 26 05:49:38 :) Feb 26 05:49:56 yea, i only have wifi in the terminal, and even that is a bit flaky Feb 26 05:50:35 timur: not quite sure what have changed, but something must/should have been done :) hopefully for the better Feb 26 05:51:06 haha yea, true Feb 26 05:51:17 i'll upgrade tomorrow to see if it makes any difference Feb 26 05:51:35 for now i need to figure out the weird network error i've been getting :( Feb 26 05:52:59 :) Feb 26 06:06:24 heh you know what? i decided i blame both the AP and the FR... i hate networking... Feb 26 06:09:58 timur: what's the error? Feb 26 06:10:15 * fredrin is testing Qwo input, strange.... Feb 26 06:11:30 i get "no buffer space" error Feb 26 06:11:43 although, i think i just found myself doing something very dumb Feb 26 06:11:53 that is not closing a socket i opened Feb 26 06:11:57 which is an issue Feb 26 06:13:14 openmoko: 03werner * r4937 10/developers/werner/gta03/ (GETTING_STARTED cam/BRINGUP): Feb 26 06:13:14 openmoko: - GETTING_STARTED: specify destination of config file Feb 26 06:13:14 openmoko: - cam/BRINGUP: Allen found that we have to set CAM_PWDN to 1 not 0 Feb 26 06:13:51 on that note i think i'm gonna head to bed actually. before i do more stupid things :) Feb 26 06:13:55 night fredrin Feb 26 06:14:12 good night Feb 26 06:23:49 Qwo is funny Feb 26 06:55:08 Goooood morning freedom lovers! Feb 26 06:57:10 *yawn* Feb 26 06:57:24 :P Feb 26 08:34:22 re Feb 26 10:49:58 Other than the community list where else would you post up a freerunner for sale? Feb 26 11:25:14 morning Feb 26 11:25:43 * SpeedEvil looks outside, sees the beams of sun, and explodes into a small pile of grey ash in a cartoon fashion. Feb 26 11:35:43 roh: vielleicht hast du unseren aufruf im freeyourphone-forum gelesen. wir haben 2 freerunner mit herausgerissenen usb-ports. jetzt suchen wir jemanden de runs die usb-buchsen weider anlöten kann und du wurdest uns empfohlen. gibts da ne möglicheit? Feb 26 12:00:07 hey ppl Feb 26 12:01:36 my FR keeps waking up for some reason Feb 26 12:01:42 any way to find out why? Feb 26 12:02:07 badcloud: gsm? Feb 26 12:02:10 :O Feb 26 12:02:34 could be, but were do I look? Feb 26 12:02:43 badcloud: is it powered at all? Feb 26 12:02:59 battery Feb 26 12:03:05 right now it's on Feb 26 12:03:35 I checked dmesg. something about glamo-mci error 0X8120 and 0X120 Feb 26 12:03:38 anyone knows how to get binutils on shr? Feb 26 12:03:40 badcloud: there's a sysfs node to see the wakeup reason Feb 26 12:03:55 how do I read that node? Feb 26 12:04:04 badcloud: by catting obivously Feb 26 12:04:11 where is it located Feb 26 12:04:17 is what I meant Feb 26 12:05:16 ? Feb 26 12:06:13 you still there, PaulFertser? Feb 26 12:08:43 "#Â¤Â¤&%Â¤ Feb 26 12:13:09 badcloud, iirc there should be some boot_reason= or the like in the kernel parameters (but i'm not sure how to read them right now but maybe you know ;) Feb 26 12:15:44 badcloud, ah, and there is /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-resume.0/resume_reason Feb 26 12:18:05 badcloud: ç™¾å…¸ãªã‚‰å…¸ç§‘ã—ã„ã ã‚‹ã€ Feb 26 12:18:27 does anybody know how to get binutils (for instance 'as' and 'ld') on SHR? is there a package somewhere? Feb 26 12:20:54 found it myself: http://mibbit.com/pb/gzPsT0 Feb 26 12:21:12 thanks, karigotu Feb 26 12:21:24 found it probably the same time you sent yours Feb 26 12:21:36 ah ok :) Feb 26 12:28:47 if anyone can help, please email me at badcloud56@yahoo.com Feb 26 12:28:49 later Feb 26 12:39:22 what is user plane is gsm? Feb 26 13:04:54 KazaLite: ? Feb 26 13:11:18 Dave !!!!!!!!! Feb 26 13:11:21 :D Feb 26 13:12:06 yes Feb 26 13:12:40 i found there is something signaling plane, data plane, user plane etc in GSM....... Feb 26 13:12:51 so whats user plane? Feb 26 13:13:14 * KazaLite is noob Feb 26 13:13:24 KazaLite: where did you read that? Feb 26 13:16:05 * toggles_w pokes DAVE Feb 26 13:21:52 http://www.poweredbydanger.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47718 Feb 26 13:22:00 signaling plane.....traffic plane Feb 26 13:22:10 what are these planes? Feb 26 13:22:22 * Fougner pokes toggles_w Feb 26 13:22:44 they are EVIL PLANES!!! ~_~ Feb 26 13:23:15 * KazaLite pokes planes Feb 26 13:28:00 * Fougner pokes planes too Feb 26 13:40:10 hi Feb 26 13:40:21 is anyone who is working on gentoo on fr? Feb 26 13:41:50 yeah, I am Feb 26 13:42:54 just kidding Feb 26 13:43:21 Fougner! Feb 26 13:43:29 * toggles_w pokes DAVE Feb 26 13:43:32 Dave! :D Feb 26 13:43:35 * Dave toggles Fougner Feb 26 13:43:40 whoa.. kinky Feb 26 13:43:43 ;p Feb 26 13:44:26 hello Feb 26 13:44:45 whazzabi? Feb 26 13:45:01 does anybody know, why mofi puts the usb0 interface down, when connecting to a wifi network: https://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/connect.sh?rev=6&root=mofi&view=auto Feb 26 13:46:36 Dave knows! Feb 26 13:46:44 * Fougner stares at Dave Feb 26 13:47:17 now I have to leave, by folks! Feb 26 13:55:48 :o Feb 26 13:55:51 later, fougner Feb 26 14:08:15 hehe nice stylus Thread Feb 26 14:08:27 (resume reason) duh, /etc ?!? more like /sys. And IIRC you need updated uBoot to pass resume reason to kernel Feb 26 14:11:51 Yes, updated uboot is required. Feb 26 14:12:10 But I don't think any user distros use the resume reason (yet). Feb 26 14:12:48 mwester: FSO uses it afaik Feb 26 14:13:13 Which is rather a shame, as it seems a powerful feature -- for example, if the wake reason is a low-battery event, then perhaps user-space should avoid turning the backlight on resume... Feb 26 14:13:43 ousaged INFO kernel has resumed - reason = PowerKey Feb 26 14:13:45 PaulFertser: cool, I didn't know that. Would that be exposed to the rules.yaml parsing thing? Feb 26 14:14:30 mwester: i think if it's not already, it can be easily done, just ask mickey :) Feb 26 14:15:12 Cool. We need that for the gta01 because it doesn't have a low-battery (so we must wake every 15 - 30 minutes to check, but we don't want to wake the display or GSM if we only are waking to check the battery...) Feb 26 14:16:03 hyper-low battery, suspend to disk, and sleep. Feb 26 14:16:08 turn off rather Feb 26 14:22:24 hi, there is a problem with the SDL port to fr... there is a bug... Feb 26 15:14:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r6c510b74ae90 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/resources.py: ousaged: bring back ResourceInUse exception Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3def753e3a8f 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: introduce new way for a subsystem to scan for plugins Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: the default is to scan the filesystem, looking at each Feb 26 15:14:54 freesmartphone.org: and every file. we now provide a way to use the configuration Feb 26 15:14:56 freesmartphone.org: file, so every plugin needs to be mentioned as a Feb 26 15:14:58 freesmartphone.org: (if necessary, empty) section. the example configuration has Feb 26 15:15:00 freesmartphone.org: been adjusted. Feb 26 15:21:37 anybody knows how much arfcn's a mobile phone cell can have? Feb 26 15:51:07 openmoko: 03werner * r4938 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/patches/ (8 files): Feb 26 15:51:07 openmoko: Port of the Samsung S3C camera interface driver and the S5K4 camera driver. Feb 26 15:51:07 openmoko: (In progress.) Feb 26 15:59:13 openmoko: 03werner * r4939 10/developers/werner/gta03/cam/CONN: We don't really know what PWDN does, only that it must be "1". Feb 26 17:19:02 hi, is there a room for questions about sms and MMS Feb 26 17:20:17 I am looking for a simple mms webservice, and I am not finding anything on google. Feb 26 17:55:14 fyi: my moko ran totally out of power. wall charger did not help, but connecting the usb brought it back up :) Feb 26 18:49:29 cu Feb 26 19:00:01 hello, anyone using SHR and having empty output from cat /dev/ttySA1 ? Feb 26 19:00:07 (gpsd not running) Feb 26 19:01:53 yoou need to turn the GPS on Feb 26 19:01:55 it may not be Feb 26 19:04:47 SpeedEvil: I believe it's powered on Feb 26 19:56:45 hi Feb 26 19:57:23 I get since yesterday everytime this message if I try to download the kernel Feb 26 19:57:36 Starting download: [#######dfu_download error -110 Feb 26 19:57:36 Error during download Feb 26 19:57:45 did I do something wrong? Feb 26 20:03:22 there is also a message on my moko Feb 26 20:03:34 End of write exeeds partition end. Feb 26 20:04:10 but that could'nt be possible, 'cause I formatted the card few minutes ago Feb 26 20:04:23 Serdar: formatted the card? Feb 26 20:05:31 yes, like that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_/_Qt_Extended_on_FreeRunner#Format_the_microSD_card Feb 26 20:07:20 8M vfat and remaining space ext3 Feb 26 20:07:41 :( what does it have to do with dfu-util& Feb 26 20:08:11 indeed Feb 26 20:09:15 the partitions are empty dfu shouldn't write over the partition end. Feb 26 20:09:15 That's qtopia users for you... Feb 26 20:09:34 Serdar: u-boot writes to NAND flash, not SD card Feb 26 20:10:12 I have this problem with every kernels, it's not releated to the qtextended kernel Feb 26 20:10:47 so my nand flash is broken or what? Feb 26 20:16:32 so nobody can't help? Feb 26 20:16:53 Serdar: rtfm is something that only you can do for yourself... Feb 26 20:21:28 PaulFertser_, there was no manual for dfu-util only a wiki but it does not explain the error number Feb 26 20:22:05 Serdar: hmm? 'man dfu-util' works here Feb 26 20:22:10 Serdar: it doesn't explain why you're talking about partitioning uSD too. Feb 26 20:26:16 no man page for dfu-util on any of my systems. Feb 26 20:26:36 and the wiki, as is often the case, is rather thing on those sorts of issues. Feb 26 20:26:44 s/thing/thin/ Feb 26 20:26:44 mwester meant: and the wiki, as is often the case, is rather thin on those sorts of issues. Feb 26 20:26:45 mwester: debian has Feb 26 20:26:48 PaulFertser_, that's true, but if it's nothing to do with my card and there is also no explenation about this number plus no manpage, there is no way but ask Feb 26 20:26:54 Guess what, lindi- ? Feb 26 20:27:13 Serdar: you have an explanation on your FR screen, isn't it enough? Feb 26 20:27:17 mwester: what? ;) Feb 26 20:27:28 not everybody runs debian, lindi- . Feb 26 20:27:34 mwester: which distro do you run? Feb 26 20:27:48 SlugOS, Unslung, Fedora, CentOS Feb 26 20:27:58 And the OpenMoko stuff, of course. Feb 26 20:28:03 mwester: maybe they have just older version of dfu-util that does not come with man page? Feb 26 20:28:14 Oh yeah, theres a Mythbuntu system in the mix as well. Feb 26 20:28:43 mwester: the date of the manual page is indeed from Mar 4 2008 Feb 26 20:29:17 PaulFertser_, exeeds partition end? no! this does not help me. Feb 26 20:29:45 Serdar: means you're trying to write some image to a NAND partition that has less space than the size of the image. Feb 26 20:29:53 or there is a troubleshooting about the bnand flash somethere Feb 26 20:29:56 Serdar: what everyone seems to be intent on NOT helping you with is that what you are flashing is bigger than the partition size. Feb 26 20:30:24 So check that you are indeed flashing a kernel to the kernel partition. Feb 26 20:30:39 And check that the size of the kernel is small enough to fit the partition in question. Feb 26 20:30:54 mwester: i said it first ;) Feb 26 20:30:58 <4MB for GTA02, and <2MB for GTA01 Feb 26 20:31:16 it's only 1.7M Feb 26 20:31:25 the other kernel I tried was 1.9M from shr Feb 26 20:31:49 both don't work Feb 26 20:32:07 Serdar: are you sure you're writing to the kernel NAND partition? Feb 26 20:32:18 Then you should examine your command line carefully to see if it might be trying to flash to the wrong partition in NAND Feb 26 20:32:21 Serdar: are you sure you didn't mess with nandwrite before? Feb 26 20:32:47 â˜º PaulFertser_ that brings back memories Feb 26 20:33:05 I am starting nor flash like I did the first time and tried to install the kernel like the first time with dfu Feb 26 20:33:14 soul9: you might be also interested in a lengthy thread on kernel ml wrt nand bad blocks stuff. Feb 26 20:33:26 what cmdline you using? Serdar Feb 26 20:33:32 PaulFertser_: yeah, that's messed up! Feb 26 20:34:49 Serdar: also try NAND u-boot. You should NEVER use NOR uboot, except if you have trashed your NAND u-boot in some way -- in all other cases, you should use NAND uboot. Feb 26 20:35:03 mwester: really? Feb 26 20:35:05 :-( Feb 26 20:35:10 Yep. Feb 26 20:35:20 NOR dfu works 100% here :-/ Feb 26 20:35:36 i use qi, so i use NOR always Feb 26 20:35:37 mwester: why don't you like using NOR u-boot for flashing? Feb 26 20:35:39 The ONLY reason for NOR uboot to exist is to rescue NAND uboot. NOR uboot is a very OLD uboot, burned in the factory and is non-updatable. Feb 26 20:35:47 yes Feb 26 20:35:53 but dfu works fine.. Feb 26 20:35:58 for now. Feb 26 20:36:05 it boots kernels very well too Feb 26 20:36:16 hmm I was never be able to start nand flash everytime I tried to I got to the os Feb 26 20:36:17 yeah, i'll be weary when i update dfu.. Feb 26 20:36:27 But for example, we are unable to use HW ECC on NAND flash partitions because, in part, of the NAND/NOR uboot problem. Feb 26 20:36:47 hmm Feb 26 20:36:59 uboot no like ecc? Feb 26 20:37:29 different ecc algorithms, and the NOR uboot cannot be upgraded, therefore the algorthms cannot be unified. Feb 26 20:37:39 aaah Feb 26 20:37:45 But if you NEVER used NOR uboot, then you could use HW ecc Feb 26 20:37:47 damn Feb 26 20:38:16 is the nor in a separate chip? Feb 26 20:38:21 Minor point though -- I think we all need to go to the SD card route Feb 26 20:38:23 can it be changed or somethign? Feb 26 20:38:32 what are you doing in the gta03 for this? Feb 26 20:38:35 and avoid the whole nand/nor/dfu-util thing entirely Feb 26 20:38:37 yea Feb 26 20:38:42 seems sd is faster too Feb 26 20:39:00 soul9, and before I forget it ../dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin Feb 26 20:39:02 gta03 only supports uSD, if I read the mailing list correctly Feb 26 20:39:04 this is the line Feb 26 20:39:17 mwester: looks like NOR u-boot can be easily upgraded even without dboard, the TP is easily accessible. And if one doesn't overwrite both NOR and NAND u-boot at the same time, it should be safe. Feb 26 20:39:43 Serdar: dfu-util -a $1 -R -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D $2 Feb 26 20:39:43 PaulFertser_: for you, that would be the case. Not so for the average GTA02 user. Feb 26 20:39:53 Ok Feb 26 20:39:58 wher 1=kernel or rootfs or u-boot Feb 26 20:40:08 Serdar: "-a u-boot" tells it to flash the kernel over your uboot! Feb 26 20:40:17 hahaha Feb 26 20:40:19 Serdar: so that's obviously you not doing RTFM Feb 26 20:40:20 Serdar: You just trashed your u-boot. Feb 26 20:40:41 how did you boot before?! Feb 26 20:40:45 NOR? :-D Feb 26 20:40:50 args, yes that Feb 26 20:40:59 's it Feb 26 20:41:03 Serdar: So now you owe the Openmoko designers a thank-you email for implementing the NOR flash -- if you were using a GTA01 right now you would be looking for someone with a debug board to de-brick your phone! Feb 26 20:41:09 and 2= foo.jffs2 or foo.bin Feb 26 20:41:17 hahahaha Feb 26 20:41:28 i made a script Feb 26 20:41:41 flashmoko kernel foo.bin Feb 26 20:41:45 * mwester uses scripts as well Feb 26 20:42:57 I did'nt recognise that I tried to use u-boot instead of kernel Feb 26 20:43:36 Well, you might as well find the most recent u-boot for the gta02, and flash that in place too. :) Feb 26 20:43:56 You'll get a u-boot upgrade, although un-planned. Feb 26 20:44:03 I flashed qi before so I guess it's because of that Feb 26 20:44:13 oh man :( Feb 26 20:44:24 mwester: where do you get ur uboot from? Feb 26 20:44:40 it seems kind of borken on andy's page.. Feb 26 20:44:46 as is qi right now Feb 26 20:44:59 at least Feb 26 20:44:59 qi is broken? Feb 26 20:45:03 i tried monday's Feb 26 20:45:09 and tuesday's Feb 26 20:45:22 well, works borkishly Feb 26 20:45:48 soul9: how exactly? Feb 26 20:45:51 well Feb 26 20:46:02 is "borkishly" a word? ;-) Feb 26 20:46:03 u-boot would usually bring me a borken screen Feb 26 20:46:15 and in the end it would sit there for a while and die Feb 26 20:46:37 qi's a bit better Feb 26 20:46:48 but thankfully i found an older qi that works pretty well Feb 26 20:46:48 As it can't show broken screen :) Feb 26 20:46:58 hahah Feb 26 20:47:13 soul9: no, really, regressions are supposed to be reported, you know ;) Feb 26 20:47:15 well, this black screen, sometimes with just colorpixels allover Feb 26 20:47:18 broken Feb 26 20:47:44 then sometimes, after i used NOR boot, it would show the NOR's screen Feb 26 20:48:10 and sometimes for some reason i couldn't really make up it wouldn't boot at all Feb 26 20:48:22 well Feb 26 20:48:30 soul9, can I see you script Feb 26 20:48:36 i'd have thought this kind of problems are obvious... Feb 26 20:48:45 Serdar: hahahaa, it's there Feb 26 20:48:52 #!/bin/bash Feb 26 20:48:52 dfu-util -a $1 -R -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D $2 Feb 26 20:48:56 ah, k Feb 26 20:49:25 backupmoko is a different command ;-) Feb 26 20:49:53 it'll cost 5â‚¬ thank you ;-D Feb 26 20:50:45 If I see you guys, you will all get a nice "DÃ¼sseldorfer" beer :) Feb 26 20:52:00 If i knew that before i'd be nicer, for sure Feb 26 20:52:20 :-D Feb 26 20:52:39 Serdar: you can check error codes in the source.. ,-) Feb 26 20:53:04 I guess we have the only 1l beer bottles in whole germany :) Feb 26 20:53:07 soul9: now you're loosing your opportunity for beer too for not user-friently advice Feb 26 20:53:27 nah, we have our little deal goin' on with Serdar Feb 26 20:54:00 * soul9 râ˜ºâ˜ºt Feb 26 20:54:28 shiz Feb 26 20:54:30 my eyeees Feb 26 20:55:08 I buy a six-pack, you can have one too, but these are very heavy Feb 26 20:55:29 PaulFertser_, I buy a six-pack, you can have one too, but these are very heavy Feb 26 20:57:15 one? Feb 26 20:57:17 damn Feb 26 20:57:23 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Schumacher_Alt-Flasche.jpg/156px-Schumacher_Alt-Flasche.jpg the problem with this thing is to drink it without glas Feb 26 20:57:43 oooooh Feb 26 20:57:48 that looks sweeet Feb 26 20:58:06 CVirus: â˜ºâ˜ºâ˜ºâ˜ºâ˜ºâ˜º Feb 26 20:58:15 ~beer Serdar Feb 26 20:58:16 * apt deftly decants a fine Piraat for Serdar Feb 26 20:59:56 mmp_: my tangogps also reports "missing gps" and it definately is running, and the port is up Feb 26 21:00:17 husku: strace? Feb 26 21:00:36 What a cool bot of you, mwester, really improves #openmoko* experience :) Feb 26 21:01:01 lindi-: maybe... im currently abroad and, well, on vacation :) Feb 26 21:01:05 different bot on this channel Feb 26 21:01:44 Ah, it's Riker's. Feb 26 21:01:44 maybe somebody can figure out how to invite apt to #openmoko-cdevel Feb 26 21:05:32 lindi-: stracing tango shows it running gettimeofday() multiple times in a minute. nothing else. Feb 26 21:06:55 thats a sleep Feb 26 21:07:10 args, I spend a lot of time of an obvios problem isntead of learning for cryptology... Feb 26 21:10:49 lindi-: starting tangogps from cli shows: connection to gpsd SUCCEEDED Feb 26 21:10:49 Rcvd: GPSD,R=1 Feb 26 21:10:51 ** cb_gps_timer() Feb 26 21:11:03 Yet, status bar says "no gps found" Feb 26 21:17:27 husku: are you using the lastest shr? Feb 26 21:17:37 (and kernel from 8th feb?) Feb 26 21:17:51 mmp_: shr unstable, updates runned today Feb 26 21:18:21 okay... I'll try to do something similar... Feb 26 21:18:34 mmp_: Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown Feb 26 21:18:53 tangogps was just fixed at date 1999-11-30 here, but not saying that GPS is missin Feb 26 21:18:54 g Feb 26 21:19:11 on the other hand, gpsd was spitting some sensible data, just the gps receiver was silent Feb 26 21:27:15 btw, does someone know where tangogps stores its repository info, id liketo backup my settings so i would not need to re enter the long urls of googlemaps Feb 26 21:28:04 hello, how do I install(or what should I bitbake) to get bigger fonts? Feb 26 21:28:42 because I do not have much choice between the installed fonts on my system Feb 26 21:29:07 (emacs is too buffer's font are too small in SHR) Feb 26 21:29:27 s/is too// Feb 26 21:29:28 Gnutoo meant: (emacs buffer's font are too small in SHR) Feb 26 22:44:17 hello; just for record -- I did some more test (host recent shr) and the gps receiver doesn't seem to work Feb 26 22:44:47 power regulator says that device is powered on... Feb 26 22:45:13 but there are no data coming from serial console, nor reasonable data returned from fso-gpsd Feb 26 22:48:21 mmp_: ever worked? Feb 26 22:49:03 SpeedEvil: yes, it did Feb 26 22:49:36 I have also similar report from one other FR owner Feb 26 22:50:40 SpeedEvil: it might be the kernel which is currently used by SHR, one my friend is running self-compiled kernel (don't remember branch) and he says it works Feb 26 22:50:59 GSM works? Feb 26 22:51:08 yes, without apparent problems Feb 26 22:51:23 at least I'm correctly registered to GSM network Feb 26 22:52:18 k - juyst wondering if it was a serial issue Feb 26 22:52:37 SpeedEvil: should the GPS receiver output some data when doing cat /dev/ttySAC1 ? Feb 26 22:52:49 yes Feb 26 22:52:52 if iyt's on Feb 26 22:52:59 GTA02 I assume? Feb 26 22:53:04 ok, it definitely doesn't -- the line is closed immediately Feb 26 22:53:04 yes Feb 26 22:53:26 I don't think flow control lines are implemented Feb 26 22:53:51 that's weird then Feb 26 22:54:05 what with? Feb 26 22:54:08 opening Feb 26 22:54:35 well.. cat /dev/ttySAC1 doesn't even wait for data, it immediately exists Feb 26 22:54:37 *exits Feb 26 22:56:42 SpeedEvil: I just stopped fso-gpsd, did echo "1" >pwron (in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0), and cat /dev/ttySAC1 still behaves the same way Feb 26 22:57:07 and, for record: Feb 26 22:57:11 $ uname -a Feb 26 22:57:11 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown Feb 26 23:04:10 hey people Feb 26 23:09:23 can anyone point me to a kernel that provides both sound and gsm for the latest shr? Feb 26 23:11:50 the Feb8 uImage gives gsm with u-boot with no sound, and the opposite with qi Feb 26 23:12:17 hah Feb 26 23:14:16 hey there Dave Feb 26 23:14:25 what do you use on yours anydangway? Feb 26 23:15:46 :O Feb 26 23:15:49 good evening :D Feb 26 23:16:06 for me just evening Feb 26 23:16:17 how's it hanging, Fougner? Feb 26 23:16:35 a little to the left Feb 26 23:16:45 whoops Feb 26 23:16:52 haha Feb 26 23:18:09 what's the preferred u-boot for shr anyway??? Feb 26 23:18:25 uboot :P Feb 26 23:18:51 badcloud, you use shr? Feb 26 23:20:29 yeah Feb 26 23:20:49 om 2008.12 has been bugging one me Feb 26 23:20:50 *on Feb 26 23:21:03 waking for no reason Feb 26 23:21:24 hum Feb 26 23:21:27 weird Feb 26 23:21:36 it claims that it had to do with the JACK (which I can assume they mean the stereo/mic jack, which I've never used) Feb 26 23:22:07 so far all my experiences with this phone have been frustrating Feb 26 23:22:33 is it too much to as for a distro to provide a working phone? Feb 26 23:22:39 *ask Feb 26 23:24:00 I don't know, but at least they warn you before the buy "this phone is under development" =) Feb 26 23:24:02 depends on who you ask, I guess. The answer from a lot of people is "Yes, that's too much to ask -- you should be deliriously happy that you have an open device that runs Linux, sort of." Feb 26 23:24:25 from what I remember, it was advertised as a phone for both devs and users Feb 26 23:24:40 users is so waaaaaay far off it's not funny any more Feb 26 23:24:44 If you ask Sean (of Openmoko) he won't answer -- he'll give you a sales pitch and sell you on the fabulous "vision" you hold in your hand. Feb 26 23:25:02 open source projects take some time to start up Feb 26 23:25:09 If you ask Andy (of Openmoko) he'll tell you that the kernel works wonderfully, and you shoudln't judge it on the crappy userspace stuff. Feb 26 23:25:33 but once they're up n running, they go on and on :P Feb 26 23:25:54 everybody's got an agenda... Feb 26 23:25:59 If you ask the distros, they'll tell you they have no idea when the kernel and hardware will work correctly, or even what correctly means, and that they all wish someone would jsut define how it's supposed to work and stop changin the OS underneath them. Feb 26 23:26:12 And if you ask users like me -- I'll say that I agree with you. Feb 26 23:26:20 hehe Feb 26 23:26:55 why did you buy a phone for 400€ when it's big and clumsy, and some quick research says that the stuff is under development? Feb 26 23:26:57 well, at least the latest shr gets sound from Feb8 kernel and u-boot Feb 26 23:27:09 (got the latest u-boot) Feb 26 23:27:13