**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 28 02:59:58 2009 Feb 28 04:47:24 What force option do you use to skip the md5sum check? Feb 28 05:00:24 (opkg) Feb 28 06:38:14 What pass? Feb 28 06:39:35 The should be a good webserver thingy for the NEO. I'm not much of a webdeveloper, but it would be cool to have a portable webserver that people could connect to over Wifi Feb 28 06:39:57 lighttpd? Feb 28 06:40:23 maybe, better than apache :) Feb 28 06:41:18 but the webpage, it should be like a portable comuity, where people could get my music, upload music/files, access my contacts/sms ++++ all thru a webpage Feb 28 06:41:27 I'm guessing Apache's a bit big for FR. Feb 28 06:41:35 yes Feb 28 06:41:57 a small one that supports php Feb 28 06:42:32 I think more of the page that could be made Feb 28 06:43:12 With that much data on it, probably best to password protect it. Feb 28 06:43:46 How cool would it not be if a iPhone dude could connect to my phone and copy my music, I guess he could never do that with his gayphone Feb 28 06:44:04 nah, just turn the webserver on when you need it Feb 28 06:44:25 and just have controll over who access it when it's running Feb 28 06:44:35 Fair enough. :) Feb 28 06:44:46 i guess you must turn off suspend and stuff like that Feb 28 06:45:03 Yeah. Feb 28 06:47:10 like bluetooth and obex ? Feb 28 06:47:26 UGH!! Would the stupid thing stop CLICKING when I'm DRAGGING?? Feb 28 06:47:31 playya: how? Feb 28 06:47:52 and what's obex? Feb 28 06:48:00 you can share/browse files via bluetooth ? Feb 28 06:48:02 How can Neon get it right every freaking time, and stupid enlightenment not get it right once in 10 tries??? Feb 28 06:49:13 playya: that too I guess, but it's easier to just give an Url/ip to someone and they can connect to your phone Feb 28 06:50:26 or they connect true a ad-hoc network and get access to your phone Feb 28 06:51:05 or as an access point, if that crappy wifi firmware can work as an AP. I heard that monitor mode is not possible :( Feb 28 06:51:10 But I am under the impression FR cannod do ad-hoc. Feb 28 06:51:34 Digital_Pioneer: if true, that sucks Feb 28 06:51:58 Yup. Feb 28 06:52:59 but as i understood it, it's more a firmware thing Feb 28 06:54:13 but Managed Mode is more than enough to let people access the phone Feb 28 06:54:55 fredrin, if you want to share music with your neo, we'll have a new enemy Feb 28 06:55:17 WTH? Why don't I have a /dev/dsp? Feb 28 06:55:27 playya: who? Feb 28 06:55:39 the openmoko community Feb 28 06:56:31 playya: eh, don't the community like music? Feb 28 06:56:43 they like it Feb 28 06:57:01 but the MPAA won't like it to see you sharing it Feb 28 06:57:40 Why the heck don't I have a /dev/dsp??? Feb 28 06:58:24 playya: lol, MPAA can't stop a sharing program, lol I care as much about MPAA as my mother, nada Feb 28 06:58:58 kazaa, ... Feb 28 06:59:33 still in use Feb 28 06:59:37 bittorrent Feb 28 06:59:50 The piratebay is winning their case in sweden Feb 28 07:00:31 of course Feb 28 07:07:56 Hello ther Feb 28 07:08:02 greetings Feb 28 07:08:06 Is it GPS working in unstable SHR? Feb 28 07:08:30 it should Feb 28 07:08:41 I enabled it in shr-settings, but when I tested cat /dev/ttySAC1 nothings happended Feb 28 07:08:49 the GPS is the only thing that has been more or less working since day one Feb 28 07:09:13 ttySAC0 and ttySAC2 = the same result Feb 28 07:10:27 Cervajz: Do you have a fix? Not sure if it puts out data until then. Feb 28 07:11:08 it should output some satellite info Feb 28 07:11:11 Digital_Pioneer: No i don't. I'm in room (i'll try it outside), but in Om2008.x I had data without fix Feb 28 07:12:23 Hmm, IDK. Feb 28 07:14:52 Ugh, curse this idiot phone!!! It has my time exactly 1 hour off and there's not a thing I can do to get it to change. Feb 28 07:16:37 Digital_Pioneer: works for me Feb 28 07:17:14 raster: Where are you setting the tz? Feb 28 07:17:25 I've got it set at /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime Feb 28 07:17:30 The idiot thing won't get the point. Feb 28 07:18:52 oh no Feb 28 07:18:53 scrolling Feb 28 07:19:18 I should go to bed, I'm getting too irritated with the prototype phone... :\ Feb 28 07:19:27 Digital_Pioneer, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Timezone Feb 28 07:22:13 hello i have problem with installing android on my fr. I flashed him but i don't adjust uboot. now fr doesn't run. how to adjust uboot is here http://meinopenmoko.blogspot.com/2008/12/prepare-uboot-to-boot-android.html but i don't understand this. i need help Feb 28 07:24:31 how to start adjust? Feb 28 07:26:21 raster, is there a special elm dropdownlist or is this the normal one? Feb 28 07:27:01 playya: Been there, done that, and the stupid thing still won't get it through it's thick processor. Heheh Feb 28 07:27:44 playya: tried hoversel? Feb 28 07:27:55 nope. Feb 28 07:28:03 it wont scroll Feb 28 07:28:05 What the heck is this thing's problem? Ugh. Feb 28 07:28:11 so its meant for short lists that fit on the screen Feb 28 07:28:19 if they dont - u're out of luck Feb 28 07:28:48 my battery is empty. charge @ 1st home and can't find any of my usb cables Feb 28 07:29:34 I'm off, later all. Feb 28 07:29:48 i want to add a small feature. if you hover over it from left to right -> go one item up/down Feb 28 07:30:20 good or bad idea? Feb 28 07:37:59 playya: not enough info. context? Feb 28 07:38:57 sometimes you miss the wanted item by 1 or 2. and instead of showing the list again you can jump one up/down Feb 28 07:39:47 if the list is closed. hover over it from left to right -> one item up Feb 28 07:40:24 just an idea because it is a want to have for my n95 Feb 28 07:51:51 Linkas: try to use Qi instead of u-boot Feb 28 07:53:25 http://cguharry.myweb.hinet.net/ Feb 28 07:53:43 Hi everybody, I need your support for the survey Feb 28 08:00:07 hi Paulfertser Feb 28 08:00:53 I made a web page for my survey... ;) Feb 28 08:09:05 TsaiHarry: Hey :) Feb 28 08:09:19 hey Feb 28 08:10:02 made a webpage for survey... Feb 28 08:10:03 hehe... Feb 28 08:10:14 TsaiHarry: link? Feb 28 08:10:21 http://cguharry.myweb.hinet.net/ Feb 28 08:11:08 how are you today? Feb 28 08:14:50 TsaiHarry: Now make some page with similar content at http://wiki.openmoko.org and it'll finally work :) Feb 28 08:15:31 I don't know how to make a page to openmoko wiki.. Feb 28 08:15:39 fredrin: Qi doesn't support dfu-mode - whether there will be problems with flashing neo i the future? Feb 28 08:16:03 in the future* Feb 28 08:16:10 TsaiHarry: it's easy, like any other wiki. Just create an account, log in and you'll see it. Feb 28 08:16:28 Linkas: Qi doesn't ever support dfu-mode Feb 28 08:16:53 OK~let me try...if I have any problem I will back here... Feb 28 08:17:03 Linkas: but you don't need it in Qi anyway! Read the wiki! Feb 28 08:17:36 but now i use uboot Feb 28 08:18:28 has the kernel size issue on uboot been removed yet ? Feb 28 08:18:54 d-b: what issues was that? Feb 28 08:19:34 isn't there a max kernel size of 2mb if you are using uboot ? Feb 28 08:20:14 (on the device -> no external aid) Feb 28 08:20:39 there is max kernel size-2mb Feb 28 08:29:41 Linkas: it's not exactly correct Feb 28 08:38:14 d-b: at least from SD it can boot larger kernels Feb 28 08:39:33 lindi-: it can boot them from NAND too, but needs tweaking the command that loads it from NAND. Feb 28 08:39:44 (not the command itself, command parameters) Feb 28 08:45:58 PaulFestser are you there? Feb 28 08:47:09 TsaiHarry: yes Feb 28 08:47:12 so, sholuld I just post my event to wiki page? Feb 28 08:48:27 TsaiHarry: i think yes, create a wiki page dedicated to your survey, name it appropriately Feb 28 08:49:01 you mean user page? Feb 28 08:50:11 like this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 08:52:51 TsaiHarry: yes, that's good. Now you just post something like "Please help me with my Free Software and OpenMoko related academic research, fill the survey: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry" Feb 28 08:52:58 TsaiHarry: hmm, i don't see 'Please click the Openmoko icon Feb 28 08:53:03 TsaiHarry in iceweasel with noscript Feb 28 08:54:19 thanks all..let keep working... Feb 28 08:54:46 TsaiHarry: http://iki.fi/lindi/cguharry1.png Feb 28 08:55:01 404 Feb 28 08:55:17 ColdFyre: retry Feb 28 08:55:26 dnotify-rsync has some small latency Feb 28 08:58:55 forget the cguharry webpage.. Feb 28 08:59:13 I will use new link from wikipage Feb 28 09:21:58 paulfertser: how about this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events Feb 28 09:24:51 TsaiHarry: looks ok :) Feb 28 09:25:23 but why the wiki home page doesn't show the event...?? Feb 28 09:26:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry anyway dear friends pls give me a hand !!! Feb 28 09:27:08 fill the survey for my research.. Feb 28 09:28:49 TsaiHarry: because the front page uses Template:Events and the page you added you event to doesn't. I've no idea why is that. Feb 28 09:29:51 maybe I need contact with wiki administrator..... Feb 28 09:32:55 TsaiHarry: contact her: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=User:Coolcat&oldid=62483 Feb 28 09:33:20 "If you have any idea you cant to share with us, You can contact me with brenda_wang at openmoko.com." Feb 28 09:33:39 I know Branda very well Feb 28 09:34:23 no problem...I will pressure her to help me ... :) hehe... Feb 28 09:34:26 TsaiHarry: really? I don't like how he manages the wiki Feb 28 09:35:39 how come... Feb 28 09:36:30 I thought to be effective at managing openmoko wiki one needs to have at least basic technical background as well as decent English language skills. Obviously not a strong requirement at OM-the-company :-/ Feb 28 09:37:17 as my understand...her boss told me, she did many good job for OM (when I still wok for them) Feb 28 09:39:10 TsaiHarry: you know, if my english or your english is clumsy, that's ok. For editor it's not ok, imho. Moreover, editor is supposed to understand stuff he edits articles about. Feb 28 09:39:43 agree it.. Feb 28 09:40:49 for my example: I made this survey and spent my 2weeks to polish the English Feb 28 09:43:05 TsaiHarry: this's already paid off, nobody complained to you about it, it was easy to understand and answer most of the questions (most surveys are hard to answer anyway, because it's hard to express one's complex opinion in yes/no choice :) ) :) Feb 28 09:43:42 yes.. Feb 28 09:44:00 you are right.. Feb 28 09:48:04 still need get more feedback from community.. Feb 28 09:53:01 today is Saturday, I thought people may out for party.... ;) Feb 28 09:54:43 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 10:15:42 TsaiHarry: actually, i just commented that the english was a little hard to get in some questions Feb 28 10:15:52 why not ask a native to spell check it? Feb 28 10:16:28 spell check?... Feb 28 10:16:31 i mean, after all, you write about a community and i guess there would've been plenty of people who could've helped you make it more precise Feb 28 10:17:13 I have asked many people help me thet.. Feb 28 10:18:37 well, maybe i'm wrong then. usually, if even i as a non-native speaker (i'm german) can spot some errors, i think the quality is not the best Feb 28 10:18:53 I see Feb 28 10:19:24 no problem...thanks your feedback... Feb 28 10:19:31 the problem is not that i think it's bad for me to read it Feb 28 10:19:40 each feedback is very vaulable for me... Feb 28 10:19:54 i think you might get different answers because people understood the question differently Feb 28 10:20:08 and then it's skewing your evaluation :) Feb 28 10:20:45 for more further understand people's opinion.... Feb 28 10:20:54 but otherwise i'm very interested in the results :) Feb 28 10:21:13 I will share my result to public Feb 28 10:21:32 thanks, you filled it.. Feb 28 10:22:55 do you know factor analysis? Feb 28 13:15:14 I have put another image on my openmoko phone (than it shipped with). Have I voided the warranty in doing so ? I am asking because the phone is suffering from audio buzz (gsm radio interference on mic) and I'd like to return it. Feb 28 13:17:23 sigius: you have a 14 day 'doa' warranty Feb 28 13:17:38 sigius: as I understand it Feb 28 13:17:45 sigius: where did you buy it from? Feb 28 13:17:49 sigius: and where are you? Feb 28 13:18:05 sigius: but probably gsm buzz is not considered the case for DOA Feb 28 13:18:20 sigius: and of course you can't void your warranty by flashing any distro. Feb 28 13:18:40 sigius: btw, do you know how the buzz can be fixed? Feb 28 13:18:44 If you bought it in the EU, as I'm assuming you're in the netherlands you have a right under the distance selling rules to return it. (for about a week before it) Feb 28 13:18:52 But yes, it can be fixed. Feb 28 13:20:19 SpeedEvil, I bought it 6 months ago in germany and I am in the netherlands myself Feb 28 13:20:36 k, the above (other than the 'can be fixed') doesn't apply. Feb 28 13:21:11 " (for about a week before it ) " ? before it whats ? Feb 28 13:21:18 sigius: sorry - typo Feb 28 13:21:23 hi Feb 28 13:22:02 sigius: the distance selling legislation mean you can typically in the EU return any item bought from a distance for a full refund until around a week after the delivery. Feb 28 13:22:27 However, it's possible to fix it, with some soldering. Feb 28 13:22:53 SpeedEvil, right, but I think its different when its broken. I think I can return within a year or even two Feb 28 13:23:15 sigius: I don't know which laws may be in force in your area with regards to that. Feb 28 13:23:30 SpeedEvil, I have seen the fix described but it seems rather complex (to me anyway) Feb 28 13:23:45 SpeedEvil, I dont do any oldering myself Feb 28 13:23:53 s/oldering/soldering Feb 28 13:24:59 Hi Feb 28 13:25:16 is here anyone with experiences with SDL on the Freerunner? Feb 28 13:25:36 baba_melone: yep Feb 28 13:25:49 how do I increase SDL performance Feb 28 13:26:01 I need 0.4 secs to blit the whole screen Feb 28 13:26:11 which i wanna do to clear it Feb 28 13:27:07 I wrote a program that shows the perpendicular Feb 28 13:27:14 with the accelerometers Feb 28 13:27:24 but the SDL performance...sucks Feb 28 13:28:00 But I wonder why, because battle for wesnoth runs quite playable, and so do numptyphysics and pingus Feb 28 13:28:07 and they are all using the sdl Feb 28 13:28:50 baba_melone: you are doing something inefficient then i guess Feb 28 13:29:50 well, Im just executing SDL_BlitSurface Feb 28 13:30:01 and im using C, so it should be faster i thought Feb 28 13:31:31 lindi-: How long should it actually take to blit the whole screen Feb 28 13:32:37 baba_melone: raster just said 85 ms Feb 28 13:32:46 Fundamentally, the GPU is connected over a 7Mbyte/s bus Feb 28 13:33:59 that makes theoretical limit 84 ms Feb 28 13:34:37 that is kind of a sad limit :) Feb 28 13:35:17 damn it Feb 28 13:35:24 internet connection sucks Feb 28 13:36:32 lindi-: did you say sth. in the past few minutes, my internet connection got lost Feb 28 13:37:07 baba_melone_: < lindi-> baba_melone: raster just said 85 ms Feb 28 13:37:11 baba_melone_: < lindi-> that makes theoretical limit 84 ms Feb 28 13:38:23 k Feb 28 13:38:38 so do you have an idea why it takes so long for me? Feb 28 13:38:49 wait, ill put some code to pastebin Feb 28 13:42:08 http://pastebin.com/m5f0cf1b Feb 28 13:42:56 I actually wanted to do some further stuff with SDL on my freerunner than drawing a perpendicular Feb 28 13:43:24 but with such a performance, I can hardly print the angle of the perpendicular Feb 28 13:43:47 SpeedEvil, PaulFertser_, do you happen to know if there is a place (maybe a reseller) where I can have the gsm buzz issue fixed ?? Feb 28 13:44:32 sigius: PaulFertser_ has repeatedly said that it's 'easy' to find one, and 'any electronics repair place' can do this, I've argued that it's difficult for a user to find one. Feb 28 13:44:48 I don't know if I'm right, or he is. Feb 28 13:45:08 my distro is SHR, x server is Xglamo Feb 28 13:45:11 And no, as far as I know, nobodies setup as a FR GSM buz fizer Feb 28 13:45:24 SpeedEvil: sigius the thing is that i can easily supervise and guide any cell phone repair technician to do it fast and safe. Feb 28 13:47:18 raster: how did you manage to blit the whole screen in < 90 ms Feb 28 13:47:32 what did you take therefor Feb 28 13:48:11 could you have a view at my (very few) code: http://pastebin.com/m5f0cf1b Feb 28 13:48:56 SpeedEvil, PaulFertser_, ok thanks, i guess I'll first ask my reseller for a refund Feb 28 13:49:36 sigius: you then loose the ability to use the first free smartphone ;) Feb 28 13:50:30 PaulFertser_, you have point, I'll settle for an A7 model then :) Feb 28 13:50:43 A point rather Feb 28 13:52:10 sigius: ah, that'd be a good move then. Feb 28 13:55:15 noone else an idea or experiences with SDL? Feb 28 13:55:49 i've been out of the loop for a while (my openmoko has been gathering dust for 5 months really).Are there any new developments? More specifically whats the prevailling distro currently ? , And is there anything interesting on the roadmap (newer models maybe) ? Feb 28 13:59:06 sigius: android might interest you Feb 28 13:59:40 fyp is a new distro Feb 28 14:00:01 its a community project of the german freeyourphone.de forum Feb 28 14:00:23 based on debian, lxde(very fast!!) as a window manager and zhone Feb 28 14:01:04 and FSO was released with Paroli installed Feb 28 14:01:09 baba_melone_: are the sources already available somewhere? Feb 28 14:01:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 14:02:17 lindi-: what sources? Feb 28 14:02:27 of paroli? Feb 28 14:02:38 baba_melone_: of fyp Feb 28 14:02:47 well its debian driven Feb 28 14:03:21 baba_melone_: so? they obviously made some changes, where are those? Feb 28 14:03:21 and because of that it is surely based on free software Feb 28 14:03:42 baba_melone_: from the .bash_history I can see that nano was used to modify some files for example Feb 28 14:04:14 i dunno whether they published all their work Feb 28 14:04:33 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r43c702908041 10/ (31 files in 4 dirs): clean up build a bit, build static phonesim library Feb 28 14:06:14 lindi-: here you can see the fyp thread on freeyourphone.de http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=912&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=fyp Feb 28 14:06:24 its in german, though Feb 28 14:06:31 thanks, sounds interesting, i am hoping these distros have a nicer gui then the vanilla Om 2008 (which I found to be godawful ugly) Feb 28 14:07:22 oops, no trol intended here Feb 28 14:07:38 baba_melone_: hrm, they also seem to have binaries in their version control system :( Feb 28 14:09:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07phonesim * r258f23d3effa 10/ (app/app.pro data/gsm-xml.pl gsm-xml.pl): add pro file for app Feb 28 14:31:06 ahoi :) Feb 28 14:44:27 hey folks Feb 28 14:46:48 dear folks.. give me a hand http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 14:46:57 fill the survey Feb 28 14:47:56 TsaiHarry: Im new to openmoko , can I participate on the survey? Feb 28 14:48:11 (I only booted OpenMoko once in my Moto A1200) Feb 28 14:49:07 no problem Feb 28 14:49:13 welcome... Feb 28 14:49:18 thanks Feb 28 14:49:27 is there any support for SDL applications under OpenMoko? Feb 28 14:49:40 I have a 3D game engine already runnning on Maemo and EZX... Feb 28 14:52:35 Yes, but you won't likely get any good performace due to the GPU bottleneck. (If qvga works nowadays and is sufficient, that mode might help) Feb 28 14:53:19 mjr: I do software rendering ;-) Feb 28 14:57:17 somebody told if the survey without gifts is difficult to get lot feedback from public... Feb 28 14:58:15 TsaiHarry: what? Feb 28 14:59:47 I mean no incentive for survey is hard to collect information back.. Feb 28 15:00:58 well, I've just finished filling in Feb 28 15:01:10 thank you very much Feb 28 15:01:43 as we from Brazil would say (slang): "as ordi!" Feb 28 15:02:39 Brazil , sounds so hot!! Feb 28 15:03:35 you bet it! yesterday was the hotest day of the year... Feb 28 15:04:18 and right now we have 39 celsius in the shadow (Im in Rio) Feb 28 15:04:19 what's time in your end? Feb 28 15:05:16 noon, in the mark Feb 28 15:05:25 sometimes it reaches 45C in cairo Feb 28 15:05:52 i'll admit, thats hot, but is it dry or wet Feb 28 15:06:15 45c... can't image that Feb 28 15:06:25 here is very wet, as I live near a lagoon and a beach Feb 28 15:06:26 sometimes the latter and sometimes the former Feb 28 15:07:12 then i agree, that is miserably hot Feb 28 15:07:29 at least it's not hotter than the other cities in the arabian gulf Feb 28 15:07:34 where it reaches 47-50C Feb 28 15:07:36 :-) Feb 28 15:07:48 * rooly lives in south louisiana, were ~25 is hotter than 30 in most othe rplaces Feb 28 15:07:54 wow! Feb 28 15:08:09 I personally hate this wheather Feb 28 15:08:16 same Feb 28 15:08:16 Im not very well adjusted to it Feb 28 15:08:27 brazil and beach...I can feel the sea wind is come to me ;) Feb 28 15:08:44 my familly is from the north of portugal...I was suposed to be shovelling some snow Feb 28 15:08:52 haha Feb 28 15:10:09 hehe..I was busy for business in my past 10 years Feb 28 15:10:48 where do you live, TsaiHarry? Feb 28 15:10:52 I don't know what I busy for.. Feb 28 15:10:58 I am in Taiwan Feb 28 15:11:52 well, I guess Taiwan must have its own natural beauties too. right? Feb 28 15:12:03 yes.. Feb 28 15:12:57 see? I would indeed tell you that our beaches are not that great Feb 28 15:12:58 but..I never been to some place of Taiwan Feb 28 15:13:08 you should seek caribean beaches... Feb 28 15:14:02 I like sit down and face to beach...just sit there all day.. Feb 28 15:16:33 me too Feb 28 15:16:41 peace and comfortable Feb 28 15:16:42 and thats why I love portable devices Feb 28 15:16:46 I can have it all Feb 28 15:17:02 my songs, my friends, take some pictures Feb 28 15:17:11 all in the sand of the beach Feb 28 15:19:24 anyway....still need people help to fill the survey Feb 28 15:19:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Harry Feb 28 15:20:05 TsaiHarry, hmm...will go through it soon Feb 28 15:20:31 thanks for your kindly help!! ;) Feb 28 15:23:04 ask a stupid question.... Feb 28 15:23:29 why you talk to me the message is red color? Feb 28 15:23:39 lets see Feb 28 15:23:56 is the earth a big turtle, or is it really flat Feb 28 15:24:17 TsaiHarry: this happens when I include your name in the message? Feb 28 15:24:37 rooly: like this Feb 28 15:24:45 mmhmm Feb 28 15:25:01 its a pretty standard feature, where the message is highlighted and the window flashes Feb 28 15:25:08 exactly Feb 28 15:25:20 mine goes as far as start flashing in the taskbar Feb 28 15:25:41 * rooly flashes in the taskbar, makes a noise, and highlights the sender's name Feb 28 15:25:51 and changes the tray icon Feb 28 15:26:44 anyway, one day I will figure it out... Feb 28 15:27:09 gnome-xchat here Feb 28 15:27:25 TsaiHarry, so, just finished. you are welcome ; ) Feb 28 15:27:58 thank you!! Feb 28 15:29:08 all of you actually WORK with openmoko? Feb 28 15:29:22 I don't Feb 28 15:29:32 I was.... Feb 28 15:30:20 yeah, we all work Feb 28 15:30:38 actually...my job title is sales VP in 3months ago...but now I am free worker... Feb 28 15:31:09 but you all earn money from it? Feb 28 15:31:21 not really Feb 28 15:32:09 as I have mentioned, I don't know what I busy for in past years Feb 28 15:32:54 busy for OM for a dream ?, busy for family for a salary? Feb 28 15:33:18 I was confuse.... Feb 28 15:34:45 my opensource project takes almost all of my time Feb 28 15:35:04 I know company very well but I am new for community...I am here trying to understand developers..folks....and projects Feb 28 15:35:07 and Im probably one of few open source developers who care to port his games to other plataforms himself Feb 28 15:35:32 any easy game for me?? Feb 28 15:38:45 play TV game is quite tough for me... Feb 28 15:41:39 neostrider: not necissarily, most foss programmers use x-platform libraries so that they don't have to port Feb 28 15:42:41 rooly: but coding directly to xlib surely is not that common anymore? Feb 28 15:42:47 rooly: most stuff ports easily, but you have to build a multiplataform code Feb 28 15:42:54 and also, there's always some small inconsistencies Feb 28 15:43:07 I have comment and uncomment a lot of stuff to build for each plataform Feb 28 15:43:22 neostrider: use a proper build system that does it Feb 28 15:43:33 but what I meant was that I bother providing pre-built versions for lots of plataforms Feb 28 15:43:35 aka ifdef's Feb 28 15:44:00 rooly: Im implementing those right now Feb 28 15:55:33 i have a custom kernel and a custom rootfs and am getting Error opening framebuffer /dev/fb0: No such file or directory while trying to run Xglamo, dos anybody have an idea what i mising? Feb 28 15:56:28 vanous123: framebuffer support in the kernel? Feb 28 15:57:35 henk: CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_FB=y, CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_SPI_FB=y, CONFIG_FB=y Feb 28 15:58:12 henk: i have custom init as well, perhaps i missed mounting something? Feb 28 15:59:38 vanous123: sorry, i was just taking an educated guess, but now you supplied a bit more information, so perhaps someone else can come up with the next intelligent question, getting you to supply another bit of important information and so on and eventually there will perhaps be a solution that makes you happy. good luck. Feb 28 16:00:00 henk: thank you Feb 28 16:14:58 henk: i was missing some nodes ( fb and mem) now it's running :) Feb 28 16:59:33 looks like its now time to cut the fat Feb 28 17:01:10 so it seems that if there was ever a time for alot of full time work on the kernel u guys are on it Feb 28 17:11:17 * mwester often wonders at slaxxin's zero-context comments; perhaps a mis-chan? Feb 28 17:13:39 * DocScrutinizer as well Feb 28 17:15:06 excuse me Feb 28 17:15:26 its just bla-bla Feb 28 17:16:16 basicly means thanks to u guys Feb 28 17:19:14 is there a special way to _turn_on_ the touch screen? Xglamo is running but no /dev/input and no /dev/ts ... Feb 28 17:20:45 i get Failed to open TSLib device, tried /dev/input/touchscreen0 /dev/ts /dev/touchscreen/0 (and i really don't have those in dev) Feb 28 17:21:05 CONFIG_INPUT_TOUCHSCREEN=y is in... :( Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07framework * r374a68ef4b0f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (device.py gsm/sms.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py): Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: Preliminary support for SMS message delivery reports Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: I couldn't find enough reliable information for that type of PDU, Feb 28 18:03:47 freesmartphone.org: therefore support is incomplete for now. Feb 28 18:03:49 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd849197acf1a 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: Feb 28 18:03:52 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Do not request message delivery reports by default Feb 28 18:03:54 freesmartphone.org: This will be a per-message option Feb 28 18:03:56 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r82429ede140d 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Make the SMS tests fine granular Feb 28 18:03:59 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc3b97c2e993b 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/ (convert.py sms.py): Feb 28 18:04:02 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Factor out the different message types in individual classes Feb 28 18:04:04 freesmartphone.org: With individual parse and pdu methods for each message type it's now Feb 28 18:04:06 freesmartphone.org: a lot easier to follow the construction of a message. Feb 28 18:04:08 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6df03e843871 10/tests/sms.py: tests: Add more testcases for sms property defaults Feb 28 18:04:15 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r7dd72517f0d3 10/tests/sms.py: Feb 28 18:04:17 freesmartphone.org: tests: Add a test to measure the time decoding an sms-deliver message Feb 28 18:04:19 freesmartphone.org: Also fix the SMS generation test Feb 28 18:04:21 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re02840a447ef 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Feb 28 18:04:23 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Change naming of sms address Feb 28 18:04:27 freesmartphone.org: Follow name changes in modems/abstract/mediator.py and Feb 28 18:04:29 freesmartphone.org: modems/abstract/unsolicited.py so sending and receiving messages will Feb 28 18:04:31 freesmartphone.org: work again with the new stack. Use the new class names directly. Feb 28 18:04:33 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r12f6e9897894 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: ogsmd: Add stubs for remaining sms classes Feb 28 19:30:42 heylo Feb 28 19:36:30 apt, make everybody some coffee Feb 28 19:36:50 apt: now REALLY make everybody some coffee Feb 28 19:36:56 ~_~ Feb 28 19:37:12 sudo apt, make everybody some coffee Feb 28 19:37:12 he's on vacation aparently Feb 28 19:37:41 sudo apt --force-depends make everbody some coffee Feb 28 19:37:59 sudo apt install coffee-beans milk sugar boiling-water Feb 28 19:41:36 Does anybody know if there has been some news on how they're going to repair phones that need the extra capacitor to fix audio? Feb 28 19:52:51 Howdy Folks Feb 28 19:53:06 folks says hai Feb 28 19:53:50 what pass? Feb 28 19:54:35 why is the wifi chip so lame on the GTA02? Feb 28 19:55:41 fredrin: Probably the same reason the 3D chip is so lame, the accelerometers are so lame, the battery life is so lame.... :P Feb 28 19:56:04 nah, the wifi chip sucks the most, wifi is so fun Feb 28 19:57:03 :) Feb 28 19:57:14 how do one reverse engineer firmwares? Feb 28 19:57:26 fredrin: find out who designed it. Feb 28 19:57:34 hey there Daveo Feb 28 19:57:36 could it be very hard to enable monitor mode? Feb 28 19:57:39 fredrin: kidnap them, and apply a rubber hose to the designer. Feb 28 19:58:07 fredrin: if the flash in the chip is not reprogrammable by the user, then essentially impossible without major surgery. Feb 28 19:58:13 SpeedEvil: or bribe Feb 28 19:58:33 or social enginere them Feb 28 19:59:23 SpeedEvil: do you know how it works with the GTA02? Feb 28 20:00:02 fredrin: If it is reprogrammable, then the problem is 'just' extracting a firmware image, decoding that image into an assembly dump (for an unknown processor), guessing what the ports and stuff are for that assembly code, and trying to write a new firmware for the hardware that you've partially documented with guesswork Feb 28 20:00:20 And hoping you don't brick the hardware in the process. Feb 28 20:01:10 Accton (WLAN 802.11b/g SiP-M WM3236AQ(Flash Ver:2.0 Atheros AR6001GZ) Feb 28 20:01:10 <--- says something about flash there Feb 28 20:03:07 SpeedEvil: never done anything like that before.... Feb 28 20:03:31 flash - yes. But can you reprogram that flash without desoldering? Feb 28 20:03:53 Can you reprogram it without having the correct CRC on your image, or even cryptographic checksum (vanishingly unlikely) Feb 28 20:06:59 See http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe Feb 28 20:07:04 for an example of this sort of thing Feb 28 20:19:51 badcloud :] Feb 28 20:22:33 Davo :} Feb 28 20:23:18 I finally am sticking with shr Feb9,u-boot and uImageFeb8 Feb 28 20:23:34 works fairly well Feb 28 20:24:56 Yay :D Feb 28 20:25:03 Glad you found something that works [for you] Feb 28 20:25:03 what do you use? Feb 28 20:25:11 haha Feb 28 20:25:14 you don't want to know :P Feb 28 20:25:26 fess up Feb 28 20:26:09 2007.2 :D Feb 28 20:27:00 what's functional under that version? Feb 28 20:27:09 make us an install file off your upgraded system dave Feb 28 20:27:13 pretty much everything Feb 28 20:27:18 I use SHR too Feb 28 20:27:23 but I still like 2007 Feb 28 20:27:33 even if things are slower Feb 28 20:29:44 badcloud: does GPS work for you? Feb 28 20:29:47 why do you prefer 2007? Feb 28 20:29:51 haven't tried it yet Feb 28 20:30:13 (GPS) Feb 28 20:30:28 I have slight problem with it and have no idea whether that's my local problem, or something more serious Feb 28 20:31:53 I could try now Feb 28 20:32:48 Davester Wave! Feb 28 20:33:00 still using that crummy old 2007.2; but not giving us scaps? Feb 28 20:37:37 :D Feb 28 20:38:07 * rooly misses 2007.2 Feb 28 20:38:07 too bad it coudln't suspend properly Feb 28 20:38:07 who's idiot idea was it to use pulse audio? Feb 28 20:39:30 Dave's! Feb 28 20:39:53 anyone know how to get something on tangogps? Feb 28 20:39:55 Oh no, not another of Dave's ideas!! :-O Feb 28 20:39:58 I'm getting all zeros Feb 28 20:40:39 badcloud, what distro Feb 28 20:40:43 shr Feb 28 20:41:01 is your gps turned on? Feb 28 20:41:25 trying to actually do that Feb 28 20:41:34 is there some command I can issue Feb 28 20:41:35 ? Feb 28 20:41:59 shr settings doesn't seem to have a gps section Feb 28 20:44:09 rooly? any clue? Feb 28 20:44:10 ROOLY! Feb 28 20:44:25 thanks, Dave Feb 28 20:45:43 wooo Feb 28 20:46:03 rooly, chelp me Feb 28 20:46:10 :D Feb 28 20:49:13 sowwy Feb 28 20:49:22 my client is acting up Feb 28 20:49:41 sure Feb 28 20:52:24 anywho Feb 28 20:52:31 whatup Feb 28 20:52:44 just trying to fire up the gps under shr Feb 28 20:53:47 try turning it on via frameworkd Feb 28 20:53:54 couldn't tell you how, atm tho Feb 28 20:53:59 my internet is going so slow its not even funny Feb 28 20:53:59 gotcha Feb 28 20:56:54 This looks like a nice webserver for the FR http://www.cherokee-project.com/ Feb 28 21:01:11 interesting. I flashed in qi and now I can't get the GSM operational. Feb 28 21:02:20 Toaster`: what distro? Feb 28 21:02:31 SHR-unstable Feb 28 21:02:54 man, phones suck Feb 28 21:03:33 Toaster`: hm, interesting. What exactly the problem with GSM? Feb 28 21:04:28 It's seemingly not starting up. No registration, and shr-settings hangs whilst loading the GSM info Feb 28 21:05:01 Toaster`: i guess you're fully up-to-date? Feb 28 21:05:06 yep Feb 28 21:05:25 I even tried a new flash to the daily, no joy Feb 28 21:06:06 I double checked that the qi version matched my phone version, so I'm not sure what it is. Feb 28 21:06:15 Toaster, try u-boot/uImage daily/shr Feb8 Feb 28 21:06:36 or andytracking if you really want to use qi Feb 28 21:06:49 badcloud: probably he could help to improve/fix qi :) Feb 28 21:06:54 ah Feb 28 21:06:55 badcloud: this is andy's Feb 28 21:06:55 word Feb 28 21:07:04 badcloud: shr-unstable already uses recent enough kernel Feb 28 21:07:16 gotcha Feb 28 21:07:54 Toaster`: hm, can you check ps ax output? Probably shr-unstable uses fso-abyss by default which is not quite ready yet? Feb 28 21:08:19 Toaster`: the working muxer is gsm0710muxd Feb 28 21:08:45 PaulFertser_: sure, gimme a few Feb 28 21:12:55 PaulFertser_: Anything specific I should be looking for in `ps ax`? Or just if gsm0710muxd is running? Feb 28 21:13:59 Toaster`: when ophonekitd is running, yes. When it's not running, you cant try to start it from command line like "gsm0710muxd -v" and see the output Feb 28 21:14:32 Well, both ophonekitd and gsm0710muxd are running Feb 28 21:15:03 Toaster`: hm, funny. Try to kill ophonekitd and start gsm0710muxd by hand to see what it gives. Feb 28 21:16:59 does your sound work toaster?? Feb 28 21:17:32 slaxxin: yes, I can play sounds via aplay Feb 28 21:18:20 PaulFertser_: I get cycling errors: 'resource unavailable' and 'Modem does not respond to AT commands', paraphrasing. Feb 28 21:19:29 Toaster`: ok, now kill gsm0710muxd, and try to communicate with the modem following the instructions at http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2231 Feb 28 21:20:47 Toaster`: and give uname -a output just in case Feb 28 21:21:14 Paste here? Feb 28 21:22:35 Toaster`: no, of course Feb 28 21:22:39 Toaster`: any pastebin Feb 28 21:22:46 Just checking Feb 28 21:22:52 Toaster`: ah, uname output can be pasted Feb 28 21:23:13 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Sun Feb 8 19:53:16 CET 2009 armv4tl unknown Feb 28 21:23:24 That's what I was meaning, sorry Feb 28 21:23:59 Any idea where I find socat? Feb 28 21:24:06 SHR doesn't seem to have it Feb 28 21:25:07 nm Feb 28 22:08:55 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r11b497d7aff7 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: the hardware clock is in utc by default Feb 28 22:20:27 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07zhone * r6084d3813038 10/src/zhone: use signal instead of cno for generic sat info Feb 28 23:08:09 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rad2ec48cdb5a 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: ogpsd: handle unknown position and valid almanac correctly (closes: #265) Feb 28 23:14:38 freesmartphone.org: We were sending (X=0, Y=0, Z=0) as the current ECEF position. Feb 28 23:50:47 Hello, all... Feb 28 23:51:33 Catching up on stuff a bit here. It sounds like it's a good idea to update the GSM firmware on my Neo1973... Feb 28 23:51:41 Are these instructions correct? http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#UpgradingtheGSMFirmware Feb 28 23:52:09 Guess my main question is I only see one version of the firmware--is this firmware the same for GTA01 as for GTA02? Feb 28 23:52:17 freelock: sounds odd to put those to shr-project.org Feb 28 23:52:27 freelock: wiki.openmoko.org has instructions Feb 28 23:52:48 the shr-project directions seem more complete... pointing to the same firmware files Feb 28 23:54:07 just trying to confirm--is the firmware in this dir what I should flash on my GTA-01? http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/moko11/ Feb 28 23:54:32 freelock: yes Feb 28 23:55:22 yup, will fit for GTA01 as well. Not the uSD image though. Follow advice at gsm/flashing Feb 28 23:57:51 uSD image? Feb 28 23:58:42 freelock: don't care about that one. A simplified image for GTA02 owners that is still in the beta stage. Feb 28 23:58:55 * lindi- was adventurous and did the upgrade from debian Feb 28 23:59:22 ok... have the newest shr installed, now to find the instructions to divert opkg to the card so I don't run out of disk space... Feb 28 23:59:35 lindi-: i did it many times, it's not an adventure at all :) Mar 01 00:08:11 * badcloud is enjoying the view of #openmoko from pidgin on his FR Mar 01 00:08:19 :D Mar 01 00:08:23 Yeah, I've done that Mar 01 00:09:04 it's small :p Mar 01 00:09:13 quite Mar 01 00:09:42 'be cool with a usb keyboard Mar 01 00:10:05 :D Mar 01 00:10:31 * badcloud wonders where apt is with that damn coffee Mar 01 00:11:14 or with speech to text :) Mar 01 00:11:42 I'm sure you've seen sudo make me a sandwich by now... Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rc03e2509a39f 10/ (framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py tests/sms.py): Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Add SMS properties getting and setting Mar 01 00:11:54 freesmartphone.org: This more or less completes the different property keys Mar 01 00:12:09 http://www.brepettis.com/blog/2009/2/27/sudo-make-me-a-sandwich-robot.html Mar 01 00:12:13 Sillyiest interactive experience I've had is MUD from a printer. Mar 01 00:12:16 wow, now daniel's time of CIA storm :D Mar 01 00:12:19 When my monitor died. Mar 01 00:12:24 * shellevil was addicted. Mar 01 00:13:08 DocScrutinizer: Nah, should have seen my storm before :-) Mar 01 00:13:52 commitstorms++ Mar 01 00:14:27 missing an "again" Mar 01 00:14:29 normal keyboard for 2008.8: elevate middle finger, then flash fso or shr Mar 01 00:15:12 well, anydangway, night Mar 01 00:26:08 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r5271e445b327 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/ubx.py: ogpsd: fix typo which mangled the ephemeris data somewhat Mar 01 00:26:10 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r0838645958d5 10/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/om.py: ogpsd: reenable ephemeris and reorder aiding upload according to docs Mar 01 00:30:00 Hi, i try to establish a gprs connection on a SHR. I get an error "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.NoChannel", any ideas. Mar 01 00:30:17 wow, agps well again :-) Mar 01 00:31:23 DocScurtinizer2: you mean me? Mar 01 00:31:27 DocScrutinizer2: Yeah, looks like it Mar 01 00:31:58 Finally someone found the stupid typo I put there... Mar 01 00:32:21 :D Mar 01 00:32:52 alphaone: should close quite some tickets I guess Mar 01 00:33:34 DocScrutinizer2: Well, #261 Mar 01 00:33:38 something is seriously broken wrt bootloader and GSM Mar 01 00:33:52 mickeyl, we should have working agps again :) Mar 01 00:33:59 YEAH!!! Mar 01 00:34:00 pls test Mar 01 00:34:00 how so? Mar 01 00:34:06 huh, in fso. look at om-trac! Mar 01 00:34:09 * shoragan found a1's bugs Mar 01 00:34:12 hehe Mar 01 00:34:13 amazing Mar 01 00:34:18 Took you long enough :-) Mar 01 00:34:21 :) Mar 01 00:34:24 :p Mar 01 00:34:32 MY bugs a re well designed and hidden :-) Mar 01 00:34:45 lol Mar 01 00:35:03 kr1s: let me guess, you're booting w/ Qi? Mar 01 00:35:12 the more fun to find them Mar 01 00:35:32 yes, i do Mar 01 00:36:03 and moko11, right? Mar 01 00:36:33 Okay, I'm going home now Mar 01 00:36:36 night Mar 01 00:36:38 cu alphaone Mar 01 00:36:41 ciao Mar 01 00:36:43 cya Mar 01 00:36:54 shoragan: Next for you is to search for my bugs in the SMS code :-) Mar 01 00:36:58 where can i find the version Mar 01 00:37:21 if you don't know, then you probably don't have moko11 Mar 01 00:37:27 going as well, good night Mar 01 00:37:32 n8 shoragan Mar 01 00:37:58 i bought it on august, 2008 Mar 01 00:38:25 mickeyl: there's uSD image to flash moko11 now Mar 01 00:39:21 i start ophonekitd again, but it doesnt help. Mar 01 00:39:27 ugly but stable it seems Mar 01 00:39:34 cool Mar 01 00:39:43 restarting won't help in that case Mar 01 00:40:00 and what does? Mar 01 00:40:03 need to query the bootloader guys what could be wrong Mar 01 00:40:08 boot with u-boot Mar 01 00:40:21 * DocScrutinizer2 away for a beer. This time for real Mar 01 00:42:51 shoragan: huh, what was wrong with agps? Mar 01 00:42:55 is it possible to install zhone on shr-unstable? Mar 01 00:43:41 u-boot NOR is enougt? Mar 01 00:44:00 NICK agg1n Mar 01 00:45:44 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd51f8287c8cc 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 3 dirs): testing infrastructure Mar 01 00:46:04 kr1s: yes, should be ok Mar 01 00:47:01 mickeyl: thx, i try it Mar 01 00:48:50 great! Thank you! Mar 01 00:49:12 why dosent it work with qi? Mar 01 00:55:21 Wonka! Mar 01 00:59:41 kr1s: no idea Mar 01 00:59:48 please contribute to the mailing list thread Mar 01 00:59:55 to raise awareness for andy Mar 01 01:05:14 Okay, thx :9 Mar 01 01:05:15 :) Mar 01 01:06:16 Hi Mickey :) Mar 01 01:08:29 yo dave Mar 01 01:22:27 yay, ttff of 16 seconds Mar 01 01:24:19 woot! Mar 01 01:24:20 you rock Mar 01 01:28:55 shoragan found it :_) Mar 01 01:30:19 you = plural ;) Mar 01 01:33:00 mickeyl: haha Mar 01 01:34:29 night mickeyl Mar 01 01:34:45 tomorrow I'll document the properties changes in ogsmd Mar 01 01:34:59 then I hope that will be pretty complete Mar 01 01:35:09 awesome Mar 01 01:35:15 g'nihgt Mar 01 01:35:18 * mickeyl going as well Mar 01 01:35:22 night all. Mar 01 01:38:49 bah Mar 01 01:45:59 humbug Mar 01 02:08:26 agreed. :( Mar 01 02:55:37 woo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 01 02:59:57 2009