**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 08 02:59:57 2009 Mar 08 03:01:35 connecting to internet with usb0 after using gprs on shr-testing fails :( Mar 08 03:16:14 firefox,XMMS,GQView ,an Audacity fail on shr unstable with r-4 kernel Mar 08 03:16:22 lol Mar 08 03:17:14 along with the usual not being able to set maps to card in tango Mar 08 03:20:47 WHO DAVES ME? Mar 08 03:31:53 WHO DAVES DAVE?! Mar 08 03:33:04 those bastards Mar 08 03:39:27 balrog-kun consider yourself DAVed Mar 08 03:49:34 satan fails me :( Mar 08 05:28:09 balrogkun! Mar 08 06:12:59 * toggles_w yawns Mar 08 06:17:46 * Dave boggles Mar 08 07:56:01 good morning Mar 08 09:15:37 Mazal Tov Mar 08 10:04:58 ahoi Mar 08 10:09:18 does anyboby know good debian rootfs for openmoko's uSD Mar 08 10:09:26 Dave!!!!!! Mar 08 10:11:00 geting bit by bit borred for uncefull copying stuf there and kernel panics Mar 08 10:15:34 what daily om-console has inside Mar 08 10:24:49 esa-petri: you use the installer Mar 08 10:26:55 haven't tried yet, I am bit confused how to use it Mar 08 10:27:21 esa-petri: you boot some other distro and run install.sh Mar 08 10:45:48 can someone name me a few replacements for zhone or is paroli the only one ? Mar 08 10:53:06 Bert_2: does kapula count? ;) Mar 08 10:53:40 lindi-: no idea, I don't know it Mar 08 10:54:02 Bert_2: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ Mar 08 10:54:37 lindi-: any screenshots or opkg's ? Mar 08 10:54:44 uhm. Do you still get the usb pressed/release event with the latest 2.6.28 kernel in debian or andy tracking? Can anyone try? Mar 08 10:54:47 Bert_2: not really no Mar 08 10:55:01 Defiant-: how do i test? Mar 08 10:55:12 hexdump /dev/input/event4 Mar 08 10:55:35 anyone here tested Fyp ? Mar 08 10:55:53 Defiant-: nothing when i reinsert usb cable Mar 08 10:56:10 lindi-: but you get output there when pressing power power or aux? Mar 08 10:56:23 Defiant-: yes Mar 08 10:56:27 lindi-: k Mar 08 10:57:54 anyone here tested Fyp ? Mar 08 10:59:06 apparently not :s Mar 08 11:00:06 Bert_2: i read their .bash_history Mar 08 11:00:30 Bert_2: i haven't found source code for their modifications yet Mar 08 11:06:01 lindi-: I will fill a bug then... Mar 08 11:16:47 what's the best best way to get a jffs2 file on to an SD card when there's no tar supplied ? Mar 08 11:18:39 Bert_2, how are you connected to your fr? Mar 08 11:21:08 tomboy64: I can chose but I really want it on my SD card and non on the NAND Mar 08 11:22:02 Anyone know if http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-d1a9cf85c8608601.bin should work on 2008.12? Is this correct: I first download & untar the modules in freerunner root, then flash the .bin and that's it? Mar 08 11:22:16 Tried yesterday with the older versions and it wouldn't start.. Mar 08 11:22:41 rhkfin_: the modules better be there before booting yes Mar 08 11:24:09 Bert_2, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Mar 08 11:24:32 Bert_2, there it is described how to convert a jffs2-image to a tar file Mar 08 11:25:18 tomboy64: thx, I searched for that but I couldn't find it Mar 08 11:25:30 yw :) Mar 08 11:26:30 ha - it started :) Mar 08 11:26:42 but can't ssh in.. Mar 08 11:27:00 tomboy64: where is the part where it explains how to convert ? Mar 08 11:27:21 i'm afraid you will have to loop-mount it Mar 08 11:27:25 rhkfin_, can you ping it? Mar 08 11:27:31 ok, running 2.6.29, nice :) Mar 08 11:28:06 tomboy64: I'll try if wlan works. ping over usb doesn't work.. Mar 08 11:28:25 rhkfin_, did you boot with your freerunner attached via usb? Mar 08 11:29:07 tomboy64: yep Mar 08 11:29:20 rhkfin_, don't do that :) Mar 08 11:29:23 I have teste fyp Mar 08 11:29:25 tomboy: if I loop mount it ad then make a tar of the mounted stuff, will it then work ? Mar 08 11:29:28 tomboy64: oh.. ok.. will restart :) Mar 08 11:29:34 rhkfin_, wait Mar 08 11:29:43 anyway ssh ofer wlan didn't work either.. Mar 08 11:29:49 (restarted alread : Mar 08 11:29:53 rhkfin_, try ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0 Mar 08 11:29:56 on your freerunner Mar 08 11:30:01 that should work Mar 08 11:30:07 ah, right.. sometimes that helps, you're rith.. Mar 08 11:30:08 right Mar 08 11:35:06 nope, restarting didn't help, neither does ifdown/up usb0. I can ping over wlan but can't ssh in (because it's blocked, will open it..) Mar 08 11:39:19 how what were those internet sites where copy something and then other can look it Mar 08 11:39:38 rhkfin_, check /etc/default/dropbear Mar 08 11:39:48 rhkfin_, it blocks access from anything but usb Mar 08 11:40:02 yep Mar 08 11:40:10 By default in 2008.12 it does. Just changed Mar 08 11:40:13 esa-petri, pastebin Mar 08 11:41:51 esa-petri: did you know about the finnish Openmoko -channel at #openmoko-fi ? Mar 08 11:43:27 Hmm.. so any idea why ssh over usb doesn't work..? Mar 08 11:47:39 rhkfin_, what are you trying to do? :) Mar 08 11:47:41 just normal ssh? Mar 08 11:47:44 which distro? Mar 08 11:48:34 if your computer is on a network other than 192.168.0.XX as the default FR setting is, you can use this script. It helps me a lot :) Mar 08 11:48:45 http://pastebin.com/d5dc1a9f9 Mar 08 11:49:11 Fougner: that's not the problem.. Mar 08 11:50:21 ah Mar 08 11:50:22 2008.12 & new andy-tracking kernel. Updated the kernel to see if anything in https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2253 would change (and it did). But for some reason I can't now ssh in over usb, it's always worked before -> I suspect something in the kernel has changed the behaviour of the USB (networking) Mar 08 11:51:25 rhkfin_: sounds like you did not load the g_ether module? Mar 08 11:51:42 haha Mar 08 11:51:44 wtf is this Mar 08 11:51:55 lindi-: I didn't do it manually, right.. how to do it..? Mar 08 11:52:18 some graphical setting, makes the FR screech :D Mar 08 11:52:18 rhkfin_: zgrep ETHER /proc/config.gz might give us a hint Mar 08 11:52:36 too funny Mar 08 11:53:26 lindi-: I'm not running debian - I don't have zgreb :) Mar 08 11:54:06 -> unzip config & then grep for ether? Mar 08 11:54:15 rhkfin_: gunzip yes Mar 08 11:54:50 CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y Mar 08 11:54:50 CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER=y Mar 08 11:55:09 rhkfin_: is it just ssh or ethernet overusb that is not working Mar 08 11:55:31 rhkfin_: looks ok then Mar 08 11:55:32 Nullix: at least ssh Mar 08 11:55:47 rhkfin_: is usb0 up on both sides? Mar 08 11:56:18 two days agos i lost ethernet over usb conenctivity by upgrading my distro, but i am not sure what was the distro, to recover i did flashed a brand new 2008.12 version Mar 08 11:56:41 Nullix: blah, you let the bug escape! Mar 08 11:56:55 lindi-: desktop tells me that no such device (usb0) Mar 08 11:56:56 now it recovered usb but i lost Wifi Setting in gui Mar 08 11:57:08 when trying to ifup usb0 Mar 08 11:57:23 lindi: sure i have it for some days, so i am learning first Mar 08 11:57:29 rhkfin_: what about lsusb -vvv on desktop? Mar 08 11:58:45 lindi-: it actually sees FR: http://pastebin.com/d2465db6b Mar 08 11:58:54 mine just hang, (btw i reported it here... the problem, perhpas not good enough) Mar 08 12:01:38 rhkfin_: do a 'less +F /var/log/messages' before inserting usb jack Mar 08 12:02:03 DocScrutinizer! :D Mar 08 12:02:25 DocScrutinizer: on fr or desktop? Mar 08 12:02:25 rhkfin_: the only difference to my system is mac address Mar 08 12:02:31 lindi-: hmm.. Mar 08 12:02:33 desk Mar 08 12:02:43 rhkrhkfin-: doesn't look like my problem, since lsusb just hung Mar 08 12:02:48 ok Mar 08 12:03:11 rhkfin_: is it charging over usb? Mar 08 12:03:33 lindi-: yes Mar 08 12:03:34 ifconfig 192.168.0.200 usb0 tells something Mar 08 12:03:45 the other way Mar 08 12:04:01 sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Mar 08 12:04:19 DocScrutinizer: it recognizes, this is what dmesg shows: http://pastebin.com/d3cd191a6 Mar 08 12:04:27 ping 192.168.0.202 ? Mar 08 12:04:36 rhkfin_: is networkmanager running on your desk? Mar 08 12:05:09 DocScrutinizer: no Mar 08 12:05:12 hmm, dmsg Mar 08 12:05:24 ssh over usb worked fine before updating the kernel Mar 08 12:06:30 syslog should show you if it enumerated and if the correct network drives is loaded Mar 08 12:06:44 Nullix: ping gives me 'Destination host unreachable' (remember that usb0 is down..) Mar 08 12:06:48 ping 192.168.0.202 then arp -an to see if ip connectivty is possible Mar 08 12:07:10 Nullix: if usb0 is down then surely it does not work? Mar 08 12:07:27 no use in ping as long as ifconfig doesn't show usb network card Mar 08 12:08:00 you have to SEE the usb0 first =D Mar 08 12:08:11 ifup/down & lsusb: http://pastebin.com/d69327780 Mar 08 12:08:35 rhkfin_: ifconfig !!! Mar 08 12:08:41 rhkfin_: ifconfig -a? Mar 08 12:08:48 DocScrutinizer, can you code any scripting languages for the web? Mar 08 12:08:59 web 2.0 Mar 08 12:09:05 web?? duh, no Mar 08 12:09:08 :D Mar 08 12:09:15 but you can C ? :P Mar 08 12:09:21 ifcoonfig -a: http://pastebin.com/d65072b81 Mar 08 12:09:39 whereis DocScrutinizer Mar 08 12:09:55 woohooo my FR is bootin :D Mar 08 12:09:58 rhkfin_: eth1 Mar 08 12:10:06 rhkfin_: eth1 has the MAC address of your FR Mar 08 12:10:07 ~_~ Mar 08 12:10:08 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 08 12:10:10 rhkfin_: it's not usb0 Mar 08 12:10:13 ~_~ Mar 08 12:10:39 lindi-: hmm.. What could have changed it..? I don't think so but I'll try... Mar 08 12:11:13 lindi-: http://pastebin.com/d6b00bc6 Mar 08 12:11:18 rhkfin_: eth1 register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:1f:8f Mar 08 12:11:40 rhkfin_: 'ifup' relies on /etc/network/interfaces Mar 08 12:11:56 lindi-: http://pastebin.com/d5fcdbf3c (interfaces) Mar 08 12:12:15 rhkfin_: yep, better duplicate that usb0 stuff for eth1 Mar 08 12:12:28 why does it choose eth1 name instead of usb0... anyway if you settup eth1 with 192.168.0.200 does it work ? Mar 08 12:12:54 lindi-: oh, okay.. But does it make any sense that updating FR kernel changes it from usb0 -> eth1...??!! Mar 08 12:12:59 Nullix: first we need to identify what "it" is Mar 08 12:13:05 Nullix: is it udev? Mar 08 12:13:19 rhkfin_: compare "sudo lsusb -vvv" Mar 08 12:13:26 rhkfin_: of old and new kernel, you'll see a difference Mar 08 12:15:17 rhkfin_: you would have noticed all this with 'tail /var/log/messages' by yourself Mar 08 12:15:48 or better 'less +F' instead of tail Mar 08 12:16:43 tail --follow=file Mar 08 12:16:53 tail --follow=name Mar 08 12:17:32 huh - it works.. So updating the kernel on freerunner changes the USB interface from usb0 to eth1 on desktop?!!? Could someone explain this to me? Mar 08 12:18:13 lindi-: yup. forgot as I never use tail ;-) Mar 08 12:18:19 rhkfin_: it's the desktop that does the naming Mar 08 12:18:33 lindi-: yes...? Mar 08 12:18:42 rhkfin_: so blame your desktop ;)) Mar 08 12:19:06 rhkfin_: it's usb0 here with 'new' kernel Mar 08 12:19:36 also here never seen if0 Mar 08 12:19:44 lindi-: an hour ago (nothing changed on the desktop, no updates, nothing) I ssh'd in FR over usb0 and uploaded the modules there. Then flashed the kernel and zadam - my desktop doesn't recognize it as usb0 anymore.. Sound magic to me.. Mar 08 12:19:56 is there a way to configure TangoGPS via terminal? Mar 08 12:20:00 rhkfin_: the lsusb output has changed Mar 08 12:21:38 lindi-: hmm.. ok.. So FR returns different line in the new kernel and that's why something on the desktop maps it as eth1.. got it.. Thanks! :) Mar 08 12:21:59 rhkfin_: probably U once created a network card for usbdevice number xy Mar 08 12:22:29 Fougner: after creating a config file, it's stored in ~/.gconf/something but the default settings are hard-coded Mar 08 12:23:17 DocScrutinizer: just followed the wiki & ssh-over-usb & ubuntu hacks :) Took for granted that it is a generic solution for FR :) Mar 08 12:23:43 gosh, TangoGPS gives a segmentation fault Mar 08 12:24:02 Fougner: What version? Mar 08 12:24:05 0.96? Mar 08 12:24:09 usb enumerates for a new device number each time you insert again the usb plug Mar 08 12:24:14 uhm, have they got version? Mar 08 12:24:15 ah Mar 08 12:24:19 you mean tango? Mar 08 12:24:24 Fougner: yes Mar 08 12:24:30 0.9.5 i think Mar 08 12:24:32 well i dunno Mar 08 12:24:33 ok Mar 08 12:24:45 look into messages ;-) Mar 08 12:24:49 DocScrutinizer: ok :) Mar 08 12:25:01 god I hate this Mar 08 12:25:30 Fougner: specify.. more details.. Mar 08 12:25:58 well, I'm trying to save the config, and then Tango exits, segmentation fault Mar 08 12:26:07 SHR latest testing image Mar 08 12:26:34 rhkfin_: an offensive suggestion: reboot your PC and test again Mar 08 12:26:43 DocScrutinizer: ok Mar 08 12:27:32 Fougner: just planning to try shr.. maybe.. let's see.. Mar 08 12:27:55 NO! Don't do it. It'll have you killed Mar 08 12:28:02 it's eeeeeeeviiiil!!!!! Mar 08 12:28:04 heh :) Mar 08 12:28:19 'stick with 2008.12', you say :) Mar 08 12:28:57 Fougner: how about unstable? Mar 08 12:29:48 Anyone have PHP & bash skills to see why opkg.org repository is atm a total failure: http://www.opkg.org/repo.html Mar 08 12:33:46 lolphp Mar 08 12:35:36 ewww Mar 08 12:35:43 unstable Mar 08 12:35:46 ^^ Mar 08 12:38:10 even worse: PHP Mar 08 12:40:34 rhkfin_: whats the name of a failed package? Mar 08 12:41:59 billk: many, for example sortdesk I think Mar 08 12:42:08 rhkfin_: ar x $file control.tar.gz <- what is ar for a command? Mar 08 12:42:19 Heinervdm: try :) Mar 08 12:42:29 Heinervdm: ah.. Mar 08 12:42:32 point! Mar 08 12:42:38 ;) Mar 08 12:42:49 ar would open a .ipk but not a .tar.gz..? no? Mar 08 12:42:52 Heinervdm: where? Mar 08 12:43:07 DocScrutinizer: restarted, eth1 works, usb0 doesn't. Thanks for help! Mar 08 12:43:17 rhkfin_: create_repo.sh line 10 Mar 08 12:43:23 strange Mar 08 12:43:29 Heinervdm: wonderful :) Mar 08 12:44:17 Heinervdm: no.. I think that line extracts control.tar.gz from $file that happens to be an ipk... Mar 08 12:44:24 so I'd think it does what expected.. Mar 08 12:44:30 ok Mar 08 12:46:44 rhkfin_: why do you download a local file with wget? Mar 08 12:46:47 rhkfin_: last line of http://www.opkg.org/create_repo.txt uses ftp in ascii mode to transfer binary packages Mar 08 12:47:16 I think - cant find ftp2.input but I think its just a list of file names. Mar 08 12:48:46 It's not my script (not administratoring opkg.org) but I really would like to find out what's wrong there.. Mar 08 12:49:34 in get_packages.sh the file list is downloaded from a local directory with wget, thats really strange Mar 08 12:49:50 Heinervdm: not downloading a local file, I'd think -i = input and the file has the list of files to download.. Mar 08 12:49:59 this list: http://www.opkg.org/list.txt Mar 08 12:50:13 ah ok Mar 08 12:51:25 billk: don't know about ftp2.input.. Mar 08 12:52:22 man ftp - ascii mode is default. corrupts binary files if you try and use it to transfer them Mar 08 12:52:46 Hmm.. ok.. So that could be one source of error.. Mar 08 12:54:43 i'm running the script now Mar 08 12:54:50 Hmm.. I think it's uploading the Packages file that's plain ascii text, not the actual packages (that are just downloaded from the server..) Mar 08 12:54:55 lets see if my Packages.gz is corrupt Mar 08 12:55:01 Heinervdm: I'm downloading the files now too.. Mar 08 12:55:34 ok.. Mar 08 12:55:48 Hmm.. Packages.gz might corrupt if ascii-uploaded, maybe? Mar 08 12:56:43 yes, if this runs fine then it have to be the upload :) Mar 08 12:57:26 right Mar 08 12:59:54 I get "ar: zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk: File format not recognized Mar 08 13:00:19 as well as no entry control.tar.gz in archive Mar 08 13:00:22 tar: ./control.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Mar 08 13:00:24 :/ Mar 08 13:01:22 I know that some packages really don't include the control file (BAD, BAD!) but looks like that something else might be wrong, too..? Mar 08 13:01:50 rhkfin_: file *ipk Mar 08 13:03:13 uh.. some have the correct Debian binary, some empty, some gzip... Mar 08 13:03:27 I wish there was a way to contact the packagers.. Mar 08 13:05:01 i'm getting these error for almost every package Mar 08 13:05:02 No wonder many packages fail.. Mar 08 13:05:06 same here.. Mar 08 13:06:33 :O Mar 08 13:06:36 PHP & BASH :D Mar 08 13:07:50 22 out of 93 are other than debian binary.. Mar 08 13:07:59 Fougner: PLease write a better solution :) Mar 08 13:08:21 rhkfin_, what about? Mar 08 13:08:30 I don't know what you want to do :P Mar 08 13:08:43 create a repository of packages in opkg.org Mar 08 13:09:00 see http://www.opkg.org/repo.html Mar 08 13:09:20 we should extract the files with opkg Mar 08 13:09:53 ar should be able to do it as well with no problem, afaik Mar 08 13:10:00 and it's installed in ~every system Mar 08 13:10:39 uhm Mar 08 13:10:47 create a repo Mar 08 13:10:55 I'm not familiar with this at all Mar 08 13:11:02 but you're not happy with the php solution? =) Mar 08 13:15:40 Any idea if opkg can install a gzip package? Is it a ipk without the control file? Mar 08 13:17:00 voicenote is said to be GZIP but it has the control file and it looks ok.. Mar 08 13:19:25 ar can't extract gzip Mar 08 13:19:33 ha Mar 08 13:19:39 and many files really are empty.. Mar 08 13:19:45 yes Mar 08 13:19:46 Heinervdm: you tried? Mar 08 13:19:50 yes Mar 08 13:20:27 ar: zomg_0.0.6-r2_armv4t.ipk: File format not recognized Mar 08 13:20:41 so extracting files with tar zxf would be more safe, I guess.. Mar 08 13:21:23 tar can't extract ipkg ;) Mar 08 13:21:54 it can.. Mar 08 13:22:16 hmm.. at least those told to be gzip.. Mar 08 13:22:26 unp would be the best solution, i guess Mar 08 13:22:27 hmm.. Mar 08 13:22:32 unp? Mar 08 13:22:43 unpackage Mar 08 13:22:57 it's a tool that chooses the right program to extract Mar 08 13:23:09 on debian: apt-get install unp Mar 08 13:23:40 ok Mar 08 13:24:49 Heinervdm: huh? are youn't you supposed to know the format? Mar 08 13:25:44 lindi-: that tool chooses the right tool by mime type, i think Mar 08 13:26:01 Heinervdm: so it runs file? Mar 08 13:26:36 i don't really know how it works, but it can extract all the files ;) Mar 08 13:27:15 wow, use AI if OI (own intelligence) isn't sufficient ;D Mar 08 13:28:03 it's perl Mar 08 13:28:26 Heinervdm: it seems to look at file name Mar 08 13:28:49 but after that it tries something else Mar 08 13:28:52 Hmm.. now one should only try to extract the e-mail addresses from the failing packages.. Mar 08 13:29:01 because it does not know ipk and opk Mar 08 13:29:13 Heinervdm: yes it runs "file" Mar 08 13:29:19 15:01:50 < lindi-> rhkfin_: file *ipk Mar 08 13:29:27 like i suggested 30 minutes ago ;) Mar 08 13:29:28 :) Mar 08 13:29:51 lindi-: I did Mar 08 13:30:05 but it doesn't tell me the e-mail addresses :) Mar 08 13:30:49 rhkfin_: but it should tell you how you can extract it Mar 08 13:31:09 cat control|grep -ve \"/^[:space:]*$/\" >> Packages <- this line is also wrong Mar 08 13:31:25 lindi-: extract the file, yes Mar 08 13:31:44 it inserts additional newlines Mar 08 13:31:54 Heinervdm: wonderful Mar 08 13:32:03 Heinervdm: what is it trying to do? Mar 08 13:32:16 I posted the first comments about the packages to community-list, could you please add your comments there, too? Mar 08 13:32:27 pasting the content of the control file into Packages file Mar 08 13:32:44 rhkfin_: btw, i can't hear the LCD noise with xrandr -o 3 but i hit another problem: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005050.html Mar 08 13:33:18 lindi-: ha :) Mar 08 13:35:32 lindi-: works fine for me with the same kerneln @2008.12 Mar 08 13:35:34 this line is better: cat control|grep -v '^$'|grep -ve \"/^[:space:]*$/\" >> Packages Mar 08 13:35:41 Heinervdm: post it please? Mar 08 13:36:18 Heinervdm: why remove spaces? Mar 08 13:37:07 Isn't the format of Packages a block format? Mar 08 13:37:18 Heinervdm: block format? Mar 08 13:37:40 Heinervdm: lines that begin with space are valid lines Mar 08 13:38:04 and a new package begins aber 2 new lines Mar 08 13:38:07 Heinervdm: no spaces here: http://www.opkg.org/packages/Packages Mar 08 13:39:31 i inserted only grep -v '^$'| Mar 08 13:39:39 to remove empty lines Mar 08 13:39:46 Heinervdm: but why have :space:? Mar 08 13:39:51 so: how to copy all files recognized as gzip by file to another folder? Mar 08 13:39:58 don't know its the original one Mar 08 13:40:10 (to extract the e-mail addresses from data files) Mar 08 13:41:03 rhkfin_: for f in *ipk; if [ "`file $f | grep gzip`" != "" ]; then echo mv $f dir; fi; done? Mar 08 13:42:22 lindi-: grep returns a result code as well ;-) Mar 08 13:42:45 ./skripti.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `if' Mar 08 13:43:05 rhkfin_: for f in *ipk; do if [ "`file $f | grep gzip`" != "" ]; then echo mv $f dir; fi; done? Mar 08 13:45:03 lindi-: great :) Mar 08 13:46:20 rhkfin_: in your posting you havn't written something about the missing control.tar.gz in the packages Mar 08 13:46:29 oops.. Mar 08 13:49:08 ok, got 4 e-mail addresses of broken packages.. Mar 08 13:50:28 authors of 8 packages.. 14 left to be contacted... Mar 08 13:57:51 that's interesting - gpssight has been removed from opkg.org..? Mar 08 14:02:25 POsted this to those four: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043555.html will try to connect some other authors Mar 08 14:06:25 I've postet a list with the packages without control.tar.gz Mar 08 14:07:10 great Mar 08 14:13:26 i tried my generated Packages.gz and it works Mar 08 14:15:25 ok, need to go. Thanks Heinervdm for this, I hope that in the following week we'll be able to install more packages without opkg segfaulting... Mar 08 14:16:02 hope so too Mar 08 14:21:06 * mwester wonders if it might have been easier to fix opkg. Mar 08 14:21:12 is Andreas Wiener here? Mar 08 14:22:54 mwester: of course not. Inventing new perfect incompatible stuff is the ideal! Mar 08 15:00:59 muuhaahaa Mar 08 15:04:16 * Dave grumbles Mar 08 15:22:26 does anybody have info about Qemu Emulator of Openmoko Mar 08 15:25:14 yes Mar 08 15:25:38 i am having a problem with Qemu Emulator Mar 08 15:26:25 when i run thic command "arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin -usb -show-cursor Mar 08 15:26:57 i got one Boot option Mar 08 15:27:18 after that it gives this error Mar 08 15:27:22 NAND read: mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts' Mar 08 15:27:22 incorrect device type in kernel Mar 08 15:27:22 'kernel' is not a number Mar 08 15:27:22 Wrong Image Format for bootm command Mar 08 15:27:22 ERROR: can't get kernel image! Mar 08 15:27:23 Press [AUX] to return to boot menu. Mar 08 15:27:32 plz help me Mar 08 15:30:36 help me regarding Qemu Emulator Mar 08 15:39:24 i m getting "ERROR: can't get kernel image!" at the time of booting in Qemu Emulator .plzz help Mar 08 15:40:27 WhiteCat meant: "where does qemu fetch kernel. What do I have to do it finds kernel?" Mar 08 15:43:16 any shr testing user here? Mar 08 15:43:49 bipak_, me Mar 08 15:44:04 have tried the alarm app? Mar 08 15:44:17 shouldn't it make some alarm sound instead of only poping up a window? *g* Mar 08 15:44:58 last time i tried it didn't make any sound. haven't looked into it much. Mar 08 15:45:14 okay Mar 08 15:47:54 any helpon Qemu Emulator plzz Mar 08 15:51:48 i m getting "ERROR: can't get kernel image!" at the time of booting in Qemu Emulator .plzz help Mar 08 16:06:08 openmoko whit x2x ate my cursor Mar 08 16:06:45 8-( Mar 08 16:11:30 haha Mar 08 16:11:37 openmoko ate my sandwich Mar 08 17:12:42 <|Marco|> Dave: spank the moko? :P Mar 08 17:25:01 :D Mar 08 17:25:04 YES Mar 08 17:25:11 That gives me a new game idea... ¬_¬ Mar 08 17:34:49 buuuahhhhh Mar 08 17:35:08 what's up Mar 08 17:35:09 where does shr-testing get its navit_svn.bb from??? Mar 08 17:54:28 it seems to be bad idea to terminate x in openmoko whitt kill command Mar 08 17:58:48 ahoi Mar 08 18:28:45 hm, I'm having timeouts trying to send sms messages... Mar 08 18:31:16 johnsu01: What image, what version of frameworkd, how are you trying to send messages, do you have a log? Mar 08 18:31:37 alphaone: Yeah, just about to pastebin the backtraces Mar 08 18:31:46 alphaone: frameworkd from git up-to-date with master Mar 08 18:31:55 oh, sounds interesting Mar 08 18:32:02 What did I break now? Mar 08 18:34:01 alphaone: btw, he's a traceback for you (or probably for mickeyl, but he's away) http://pastebin.com/m6a11dab2 :) Mar 08 18:37:07 PaulFert`: Okay, it thinks +CMGW: 9 doesn't belong to the request... Mar 08 18:37:23 PaulFert`: Can you add this to a bug for ogsmd? Mar 08 18:38:11 New timeout code doesn't recognize +CMGW as response to AT+CMGW or somthing Mar 08 18:38:31 I'll try to look at it, but mickey knows that code better Mar 08 18:39:16 ah, I think that's my error as well Mar 08 18:40:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan/Backtraces Mar 08 18:40:28 (I didn't have debugging on when it happened unfortunately) Mar 08 18:42:56 alphaone: that's trying to use StoreMessage and SendStoredMessage Mar 08 18:43:51 johnsu01: Can you retry with log_level=DEBUG in ogsmd? Mar 08 18:43:59 alphaone: yeah, doing that Mar 08 18:44:23 the problem is that after restarting I think it works for a while.. Mar 08 18:44:24 johnsu01: But I suspect you have the same problem PaulFert` has Mar 08 18:44:30 oh! Mar 08 18:44:36 but I will test that now Mar 08 18:44:37 really? Mar 08 18:44:50 thankd Mar 08 18:44:52 thanks Mar 08 18:45:09 The log of the successful send would be helpful as well Mar 08 18:50:38 alphaone: created http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/372 Mar 08 18:50:49 PaulFert`: Thanks! Mar 08 18:52:21 alphaone: okay, I lied, it hangs after restart as well Mar 08 18:53:02 johnsu01: Good news, actually :-) Mar 08 18:53:17 I like it when errors are persistent Mar 08 18:55:50 indeed Mar 08 18:58:43 alphaone: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan/Backtraces#Hanging_while_trying_to_send_SMS Mar 08 18:58:48 with debug on Mar 08 19:00:22 looks like same as PaulFert`? Mar 08 19:07:54 PaulFert`, alphaone: I wonder if it is related to the fix for http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/369 Mar 08 19:08:00 johnsu01: Yeah, please add your trace to #372 Mar 08 19:08:03 because prior to that sms were working for me Mar 08 19:08:10 (at least with the caveat noted in that ticket) Mar 08 19:08:33 okay, great hint Mar 08 19:08:41 will add to ticket Mar 08 19:08:41 Will take a look at it in a little bit Mar 08 19:08:44 thanks Mar 08 19:36:06 can anyone recommend a good SIP client for Om 2008.12? Mar 08 19:37:33 edgar: depends on what the use is Mar 08 19:37:43 edgar: i don't know any that'd support full SIP Mar 08 19:41:42 lindi-: just a basic SIP client to make non-encryptred calls. Mar 08 19:48:17 edgar: I have read that people have linphone working, and it's on my list to try, but I haven't yet Mar 08 19:48:52 esa-petri: welcome to #openmoko-fi Mar 08 19:50:14 Heinervdm: I guess we have some packages fixed already in opkg.org.. Mar 08 19:51:13 Transparen keyboard: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ - not bad! Mar 08 19:53:35 johnsu01: Ok, I will try out linphone if I have some spare time in the nex few days. I will post my results at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Christz . Mar 08 19:54:21 edgar: please post your experiences to community-list for peole to read Mar 08 19:55:33 rhkfin_: thx for the hint Mar 08 19:58:25 great Mar 08 20:22:57 is fso-gpsd accessible via gpsd://localhost? Mar 08 20:26:47 tomboy64: netstat -alpn Mar 08 20:26:59 anybody using bluez4 and can help me with this error when pairing: http://pastebin.com/m7f825986 Mar 08 20:27:30 lindi-, what's p for? Mar 08 20:27:35 busybox doesn't support it Mar 08 20:28:27 tomboy64: pid Mar 08 20:55:36 what's up Mar 08 20:56:22 I'm up, at 17:00 Mar 08 21:01:48 larsc: yes, reverting those kernel commits seems to fix the issue! http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2255#comment:3 Mar 08 21:03:56 lindi-: did you test if it also works with reverting only the last commit? Mar 08 21:04:15 larsc: i'll test that next Mar 08 21:04:35 lindi-: ok thx Mar 08 21:07:30 is there a tool available with which i can supervise the status of fso-gpsd? Mar 08 21:07:45 e.g. number of satellites, ttff etc. Mar 08 21:08:45 zorkman: prolly the code u using was written for bluez3 ? i had some issues with bluetooth scanning code when i moved to bluez4 had to rewrite some stuff Mar 08 21:08:54 tomboy64: why are you using fso-gpsd and not real gpsd? Mar 08 21:09:29 lindi-, because i'm running shr Mar 08 21:10:01 tomboy64: and it does not have a package for gps daemon? Mar 08 21:10:11 i have no idea Mar 08 21:10:33 i'm not sure about the difference at all Mar 08 21:10:56 is there a reason i should prefer gpsd over fso-gpsd? Mar 08 21:11:20 i always had the impression, fso-gpsd was the wrapper-script for the successor of gpsd? Mar 08 21:12:27 lindi-, ? Mar 08 21:13:28 tomboy64: gpsd has been developed for 10 years? Mar 08 21:13:40 tomboy64: fso-gpsd is just a wrapper and does not support most of the protocol Mar 08 21:14:04 tomboy64: it depends on who you ask whether ogpsd is a successor of gpsd :) Mar 08 21:14:29 hehehe Mar 08 21:14:49 in fact ... i consider myself an enduser Mar 08 21:14:53 i want to use gps Mar 08 21:15:00 how do i achieve that? :-P Mar 08 21:15:04 tomboy64: i just find it odd that you are looking for advanced features of gpsd protocol in a wrapper before even having used the real gpsd Mar 08 21:15:19 i have been using it in the openmoko-distro Mar 08 21:15:34 i find the original openmoko distro ugly and unusable Mar 08 21:15:38 i want to use shr Mar 08 21:16:19 tomboy64: the arguments are http://gypsy.freedesktop.org/why-not-gpsd.html and http://gpsd.berlios.de/gypsy.html -- except that ogpsd is not gupsy or gpsd. nobody has written such a page for it yet afaik :) Mar 08 21:16:23 lindi-: i find it odd to install gpsd on shr where ogpsd is preinstalled Mar 08 21:16:36 mac2k: but what if you want the features? Mar 08 21:16:51 mac2k: like dgps? Mar 08 21:17:04 tomboy64 does not want the features he just wants a fix Mar 08 21:17:24 hehehe Mar 08 21:17:34 addicted to nmea-data Mar 08 21:18:30 lindi-, features like dgps and agps are nice ... when they work. for now i want to get this thing running with navit. Mar 08 21:19:05 is it possible to backup the uboot from flas with dfu-util? i can't find it on backup page on the wiki. Mar 08 21:19:23 wait, i got it Mar 08 21:19:58 avtobiff: sure Mar 08 21:22:14 tomboy64: what's not working with your gps? Mar 08 21:23:10 mac2k, actually i just have the problem that navit doesn't recognize it Mar 08 21:23:38 and now i wanna make sure gps is actually running and data is flowing before i start digging around in navit's config options Mar 08 21:24:20 tangoGPS is working? Mar 08 21:24:42 heh Mar 08 21:24:48 i dumped it from the image Mar 08 21:24:59 lindi-, do you know if #676 or #1843 is still in affect? Mar 08 21:25:01 but yes, that might be a way to check Mar 08 21:26:30 seemed to work ok though Mar 08 21:26:47 avtobiff: better use nandread and DFU and compare the results to be sure Mar 08 21:27:06 is nandread in debian? Mar 08 21:27:39 avtobiff: in pkg-fso Mar 08 21:28:18 avtobiff: why do you want to do it in the first place? Mar 08 21:29:25 i want to install debian on my freerunner, howto states that if i want to boot off ext2 i have to update u-boot Mar 08 21:29:38 otherwise i have to have /boot as vfat Mar 08 21:30:46 avtobiff: so? Mar 08 21:31:01 avtobiff: why do you want to read the u-boot from flash at all? Mar 08 21:31:11 PaulFert`, for back-up Mar 08 21:31:19 backpup* Mar 08 21:31:37 avtobiff: no need, the binaries are available from the official sources. Mar 08 21:31:56 ok then. even the u-boot env? Mar 08 21:32:43 avtobiff: u-boot env is different. But you will not overwrite your u-boot env by upgrading to the new u-boot version (or qi). Mar 08 21:33:10 u-boot env is on a separate mtd partition? Mar 08 21:33:34 it is on mtd2 i see now. Mar 08 21:34:08 so any good tips before i upgrade u-boot on my freerunner? Mar 08 21:34:35 i don't have access to jtag... Mar 08 21:35:06 avtobiff: use qi. works fine with debian Mar 08 21:36:07 henk, but then i am a bit screwed if something doesn't work out because qi doesn't have a boot menu like u-boot right? Mar 08 21:36:10 avtobiff: good tip: read the wiki about NOR, which makes freerunner unbrickable even without jtag. Mar 08 21:36:31 i want to be able to switch between flash and sd Mar 08 21:36:42 avtobiff: Qi has a way to do it Mar 08 21:36:54 oh Mar 08 21:37:57 anyway i want to keep u-boot since i maintain uboot-envtools in debian Mar 08 21:38:26 avtobiff: :))) Mar 08 21:38:53 avtobiff: don't be afraid, with NOR u-boot working you can't really screw anything. Mar 08 21:39:11 PaulFert`, i can't find it on the wiki Mar 08 21:39:37 is it on flashing the neo freerunner section 4? Mar 08 21:39:43 booting from nor? Mar 08 21:40:01 avtobiff: just be careful with nandwrite. Issueing flasherase_all before every nandwrite is mandatory! Mar 08 21:40:10 avtobiff: yes, booting from NOR. Mar 08 21:40:12 that was the first thing i learned, heh. since the battery can be charged from there Mar 08 21:40:31 PaulFert`, i was going to flash with dfu-util Mar 08 21:40:39 PaulFert`: really? Mar 08 21:40:53 if i flash u-boot i thought i could screw up nor Mar 08 21:40:58 since u-boot is in nor Mar 08 21:41:04 PaulFert`: i don't think debian installer uses flasherase_all? Mar 08 21:41:25 eeh it is in nand :) Mar 08 21:41:55 lindi-: then it's doing it wrong :) Mar 08 21:42:53 PaulFert`: it might help if nandwrite had manual page ;) Mar 08 21:43:30 PaulFert`: ah, it does use flash_eraseall Mar 08 21:43:52 uhm Mar 08 21:44:35 i have u-boot 1.3.2-moko12 on my freerunner but the daily frome yesterday is 1.3.1+gitr... Mar 08 21:46:02 can u-boot 1.3.2-moko12 boot from ext2? Mar 08 21:48:55 avtobiff: what's the date? Mar 08 21:49:21 it doesn't say Mar 08 21:51:26 avtobiff: make it say :) Mar 08 21:51:39 avtobiff: sudo strings /dev/mtdblock1 | grep ^U-Boot | head -n1 Mar 08 21:51:45 :) Mar 08 21:52:02 apr2 2008 Mar 08 21:52:22 U-Boot 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (Apr 2 2008 - 09:31:05) Mar 08 21:52:24 avtobiff: sounds too old Mar 08 21:52:41 but what's up with the versioning? Mar 08 21:52:50 1.3.1 is newer? Mar 08 21:52:51 avtobiff: git hash counts Mar 08 21:53:07 avtobiff: what's up with u-boot obsession? Qi is so much better ;) Mar 08 21:53:23 PaulFert`: it can write and read memory :) Mar 08 21:53:34 lindi-: so can NOR u-boot Mar 08 21:53:36 PaulFert`, i want a device that i can test the uboot-envtools package on of course Mar 08 21:53:45 PaulFert`: it can read ext2 unlike NOR u-boot :) Mar 08 21:53:48 avtobiff: i understand, but why do you care? Mar 08 21:53:56 PaulFert`, about what? Mar 08 21:54:00 lindi-: why don't you upgrade your NOR then? Mar 08 21:54:06 avtobiff: about uboot-envtools Mar 08 21:54:11 PaulFert`: no debug board Mar 08 21:54:21 PaulFert`, because i am the maintainer for it Mar 08 21:54:22 lindi-: i think it's not needed really. Just short one testpoint. Mar 08 21:55:06 avtobiff: ah, i understand. It's not only for freerunner, but also for other devices. Now i see. Sorry for confusion. Mar 08 21:55:15 PaulFert`, np Mar 08 21:55:18 avtobiff: ah, your realname in /whois was not really helpful :) now i see 'Maintainer: Per Andersson ' Mar 08 21:55:31 hey all Mar 08 21:55:34 lindi-, :) Mar 08 21:55:38 PaulFert`: err, i'll rather not short anything :) Mar 08 21:56:20 i don't know why it says "haha" Mar 08 21:56:23 avtobiff: so, it's good that uboot-envtools now finally works Mar 08 21:56:31 lindi-: to me it seems that upgrading u-boot in NOR is safe provided you're 100% sure that NAND bootloader works. Mar 08 21:56:40 lindi-, indeed Mar 08 21:56:47 avtobiff: but would be nice if it could spawn me an editor and let me edit the environment freely Mar 08 21:57:27 avtobiff: i'm always afraid of forgetting to quote some part when I fw_setenv BLAH 'blah with characters that are tricky for shell' Mar 08 21:58:00 yeah Mar 08 21:58:42 avtobiff: also it would be nice if the order of entries was preserved :) Mar 08 21:59:21 * avtobiff puts it in the TODO Mar 08 22:00:13 avtobiff: but all in all, "editor /boot/grub/menu.lst" style experience would be nice Mar 08 22:01:48 so, i am good with flashing u-boot-gta02v5 with dfu-util? Mar 08 22:02:25 no idea what that is sorry Mar 08 22:02:39 dfu-util? Mar 08 22:02:48 u-boot-gta02v5 Mar 08 22:02:59 it is just a daily u-boot for gta02 Mar 08 22:03:04 (aka freerunner) Mar 08 22:03:27 indeed, i have no idea what the daily u-boot has :) Mar 08 22:04:39 so what should i get then? if you think apr 2 2008 is to old to boot ext2 Mar 08 22:06:22 hey, it says in the nor menu "Boot from microSD (FAT+ext2)" Mar 08 22:06:41 * avtobiff remembers that reading first is a good thing(tm) Mar 08 23:10:28 does anyone know how to compile the stable kernel branch? I keep getting an error that is caused by this: "arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/built-in.o: In function `s3c2440_fiq_isr':" Mar 08 23:57:10 nuclear_eclipse: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4808c32fa0b9a0f21fe3a7e8c1985544.png ;o Mar 09 01:05:02 avtobiff, hi! Mar 09 01:05:12 Fougner, hi Mar 09 01:05:17 nice to have a swede in the channel Mar 09 01:05:18 uhm Mar 09 01:05:33 ... Mar 09 01:05:35 så du har skaffat dig en freerunner? Mar 09 01:05:51 the box is in sweden yes, i am in london Mar 09 01:05:59 i have a freerunner? Mar 09 01:06:44 so you're not swede? :D Mar 09 01:07:46 if it is important to you i can be Mar 09 01:08:05 haha, no it's not, I just made an assumption you are Mar 09 01:08:22 so you wondered if i have a freerunner? Mar 09 01:09:04 yeah, just wanted to know, got it recently? Mar 09 01:09:10 a while ago Mar 09 01:09:28 it has been lying on the shelf for a while Mar 09 01:09:42 oh, hehe, haven't had to try it out yet, have you? Mar 09 01:09:54 *the time Mar 09 01:10:06 yes, but i was not especially impressed by the om software. i could not make phone calls. :( Mar 09 01:10:12 in sweden that is Mar 09 01:11:29 yeah, I'm quite disappointed too Mar 09 01:12:52 it works, but still... the lack of some necessary apps that should be quite easy to implement makes it even worse Mar 09 01:14:02 but fortunately the wheels are rolling, if you know what I mean Mar 09 01:14:56 yeah Mar 09 01:14:58 more people getting interested, more projects and so on.. Mar 09 01:16:17 it takes time to spread such a huge open source project.. Mar 09 01:16:33 so, what's happening in London? =) Mar 09 01:16:47 i just installed debian on my freerunner Mar 09 01:16:52 but it doesn't want to boot it Mar 09 01:17:12 it says the sd card is 3mb (it is 8gb) so i think i'll call it a day... Mar 09 01:18:59 hehe Mar 09 01:19:20 some uSD is not working Mar 09 01:19:25 a separate 3 mb kernel partition? Mar 09 01:19:27 (ah well) Mar 09 01:19:39 mjr, no i have a separate 16 mb partition Mar 09 01:19:49 avtobiff, how's the partition table? Mar 09 01:20:00 16 mb, *, 128 mb Mar 09 01:20:01 what's the brand? Mar 09 01:20:13 it is 8gb and it is sandisk Mar 09 01:20:43 now i can't even open the slot for the sd card... Mar 09 01:20:45 fsck' Mar 09 01:20:58 fsck? Mar 09 01:21:04 filesystem check ;) Mar 09 01:21:17 i used it as a curse word Mar 09 01:21:22 hehe, evil card Mar 09 01:21:41 oh, how to pronounce it? :P Mar 09 01:22:28 you mean f-suck? Mar 09 01:22:33 it is pronounced exactly so Mar 09 01:23:39 okay ^^ Mar 09 01:24:57 where is the latches on the microsd card holder? Mar 09 01:25:15 av: you slide it towards the edge of the case to lock Mar 09 01:25:26 i want to unlock Mar 09 01:25:27 avtobiff: and away from the edge of the case to unlock Mar 09 01:25:42 and then it sort of flips up weakly when you shake it Mar 09 01:25:43 ... Mar 09 01:25:52 it is so damn tight Mar 09 01:25:58 or is that the SIM, and the microSD is at right angles Mar 09 01:26:12 it's inline with the card longest direction anyway Mar 09 01:28:32 the uSD is the holder located under the SIM holder Mar 09 01:28:36 it is tight Mar 09 01:28:37 yes Mar 09 01:28:40 i can't budge it Mar 09 01:28:53 toothpick Mar 09 01:28:56 i have done it before since i have 8gb card now Mar 09 01:28:59 and I usually take the simcard and stick it in there Mar 09 01:29:03 on 1 side first Mar 09 01:29:23 i would break a toothpick Mar 09 01:29:24 FOUGNER Mar 09 01:29:27 DAVE! Mar 09 01:29:42 what are you up to, you weird norwegian girl? :D Mar 09 01:29:52 :P Mar 09 01:29:56 trying to relax Mar 09 01:30:01 its gonna flip across to the other side Mar 09 01:30:04 (therefore, doing nothing relating to openmoko) Mar 09 01:30:13 :P Mar 09 01:30:18 oh Mar 09 01:30:22 as usual Mar 09 01:30:24 ;) Mar 09 01:30:25 :D Mar 09 01:30:25 aaah got it Mar 09 01:30:26 slaxxin, ty Mar 09 01:32:02 yay Mar 09 01:32:23 \o/ Mar 09 01:33:25 \o/ Mar 09 01:33:28 ~_~ Mar 09 01:33:29 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 09 01:33:30 Dave! Mar 09 01:33:32 apt shoot Dave Mar 09 01:33:33 * apt shoots Dave in the eye with a phase pistol! Mar 09 01:33:40 apt clock Mar 09 01:33:41 hmm... clock is Mar 09 01:33:53 apt date Mar 09 01:33:54 It is now 2009.03.09 1:33:54 GMT Mar 09 01:33:58 cool Mar 09 01:34:00 apt cool Mar 09 01:34:01 methinks cool is there, there, everything is going to fix out Mar 09 01:34:11 apt humble Mar 09 01:34:23 apt install Dave Mar 09 01:34:24 * apt runs yum -y localinstall Dave-4.2-1.noarch.rpm Mar 09 01:43:33 :O Mar 09 01:43:45 Who's doing what to me? :o Mar 09 01:43:52 eww, rpm? :p Mar 09 01:43:55 kinky Mar 09 01:44:03 I'm not into that kind of stuff, fougner ;p Mar 09 01:44:06 dave ya ever been snipe huntin Mar 09 01:44:34 Dave! Mar 09 01:44:44 apt snipes Dave Mar 09 01:44:51 apt seduce Dave Mar 09 01:44:57 apt kill Dave Mar 09 01:44:58 * apt shoots a charged fluxgraviton gun at Dave Mar 09 01:45:07 apt smash Dave Mar 09 01:45:08 * apt flings an anvil in Dave's general direction Mar 09 01:45:23 apt search Dave Mar 09 01:45:25 <~~~~~~ brought home a snipe Mar 09 01:45:57 a bird? :o Mar 09 01:46:01 as a pet? Mar 09 01:46:10 nope Mar 09 01:46:11 or for dinner? Mar 09 01:46:18 :) Mar 09 01:46:22 hehe Mar 09 01:46:28 very well, bon appetit Mar 09 01:46:47 ahh it was a long time ago Mar 09 01:47:02 you're eating at the computer? o.O Mar 09 01:47:10 no Mar 09 01:47:16 RAWR Mar 09 01:47:54 i just thought dave would like to know just how hillbilly i am Mar 09 01:49:36 as always correct in your assumption ,, as always dave Mar 09 01:52:03 YEEHAW Mar 09 01:52:09 thanks slaxin :) Mar 09 01:54:18 oh, slaxxin is a hillbilly? :D Mar 09 01:54:50 what's 'hillbilly' about goin birdhunting? Mar 09 01:55:40 uhm, slaxxin, did you just come home from the birdhunt or what? =) Mar 09 01:56:58 naaaa i was 12 or something an i brought this bird home an my grandmother looked it up in the book an said it was a wilson snipe Mar 09 01:57:26 * mwester calls his local PETA contact Mar 09 01:59:41 :O Mar 09 02:04:15 iedereen bent dwaze Mar 09 02:04:29 we kill mountain lions too Mar 09 02:04:36 :( Mar 09 02:04:55 or they will eat u Mar 09 02:06:59 sicu Mar 09 02:11:05 i live where the red fern grows:) Mar 09 02:13:00 :D Mar 09 02:30:34 uhm, whatta? Mar 09 02:30:38 what is PETA? Mar 09 02:34:39 http://mj.barczyk.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/peta_03.jpg Mar 09 02:34:40 yay Mar 09 02:34:43 okay, I like it :D Mar 09 02:46:07 Anyone here use SHR, preferably the latest testing image? Mar 09 02:46:24 Fougner :P Mar 09 02:46:40 PETA is EVIL Mar 09 02:47:36 unstable Mar 09 02:47:36 ColdFyre, Why? :O Mar 09 02:47:51 at least some beautiful women works for them :P Mar 09 02:47:55 me icons are gone again Mar 09 02:48:20 they are a psychotic and persistant animal rights group Mar 09 02:48:25 slaxxin: do you have problems with gtk+-fastscaling? Mar 09 02:48:31 that will harass you for eating a burger Mar 09 02:48:36 haha Mar 09 02:48:38 that's funny Mar 09 02:49:02 ColdFyre, okay maybe they're a little weird, but they got some things right.. Mar 09 02:49:17 the fur thing Mar 09 02:49:30 i dont know Mar 09 02:49:35 a little Mar 09 02:49:35 =) Mar 09 02:49:49 but also, humans have in all times used animal furs for clothing and stuff Mar 09 02:50:02 it's a cruel world we live in Mar 09 02:50:14 I hope someone invents the clean car soon >.< Mar 09 02:50:32 gaaah Mar 09 02:50:33 yea u will relize that very quickly when u live outside Mar 09 02:50:43 slaxxin, what? =) Mar 09 02:51:39 oh, I'm tired now Mar 09 02:51:42 better go to sleep Mar 09 02:51:57 someone ever tried bazaar? Mar 09 02:52:05 I think this is the SCM I'll stick with Mar 09 02:52:15 feels simple Mar 09 02:52:24 yet advanced, when I want to Mar 09 02:52:26 well Mar 09 02:52:28 ~_~ Mar 09 02:52:29 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 09 02:52:30 good night apt Mar 09 02:52:32 :D Mar 09 02:52:35 apt good night Mar 09 02:52:36 Good night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! Mar 09 02:53:14 haha Mar 09 02:53:18 apt is sick Mar 09 02:56:32 how to stop fso suspend ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 09 02:59:57 2009