**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 09 02:59:57 2009 Mar 09 03:23:50 How goes? Mar 09 04:02:58 how about fixing tango gps map config? Mar 09 04:04:48 what to do? Mar 09 04:06:04 i cant seem to change the maps to my /media/card/maps Mar 09 04:20:15 Hi Everyone Mar 09 05:40:02 which alsa .state file should I restore to get rid of the high-pitched loud noise during calls in Qtopia/Qt Extended? Mar 09 06:12:29 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re1c9aaf50586 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/parser.py: (log message trimmed) Mar 09 06:12:29 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Make sure we keep valid prefixes over continuation lines Mar 09 06:12:29 freesmartphone.org: This is important when submitting commands with PDU. Mar 09 06:12:29 freesmartphone.org: After receiving the "\r\n> " continuation the parser would reset the Mar 09 06:12:31 freesmartphone.org: valid prefixes so in case of Mar 09 06:12:33 freesmartphone.org: AT+CMGW=23 Mar 09 06:12:35 freesmartphone.org: > Mar 09 07:25:11 my freeruuner display broke. Mar 09 07:25:23 has someone had the same (bad) experience ?? Mar 09 07:27:56 define broke Mar 09 07:28:15 the "white screen of death" as some call it Mar 09 07:28:22 the whole screen is white Mar 09 07:28:49 you need a kernel upgrade Mar 09 07:29:18 ... and a crack is visible Mar 09 07:29:43 got now camera right now, so I cant take a snapshot Mar 09 07:30:17 where is the crack? mine seems to have one too, around the bottom middle Mar 09 07:30:43 the white screen of death ticket is http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 Mar 09 07:34:04 it dont think its a kernel panic or something, since it never displays any different than a white screen with a crack. Mar 09 07:34:46 )-: Mar 09 07:39:50 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * rf2021027f3b9 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): otapi: Update org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS API Mar 09 07:39:56 p0seidon: does it persist over a power-off/on cycle? Mar 09 07:40:21 jop Mar 09 07:40:28 it does Mar 09 07:40:45 battery in > power on > white screen w. crack Mar 09 07:40:53 displays nothing else Mar 09 07:41:02 guess ssh will work, but did not try Mar 09 07:41:11 p0seidon: did you by any chance apply excessive force to it? Mar 09 07:41:17 nop Mar 09 07:41:23 thats the strange thing Mar 09 07:42:43 i was at university. i used it, it worked all fine. it put it in my pants pocket and ride home by bike Mar 09 07:42:52 10 min later i take it tou Mar 09 07:43:06 .. it out and woops there goes the white screen Mar 09 07:44:59 p0seidon: :( Mar 09 07:45:11 p0seidon: probably DocScrutinizer will tell you more about it Mar 09 07:47:14 thx. gotta get breakfast now ;-) Mar 09 07:48:54 morning Mar 09 08:15:45 good morning Mar 09 08:17:43 Mar 09 10:36:09 PaulFert`: what should I tell when screen cracked ? Mar 09 10:37:19 PaulFert`: driving bike you might not even notice hiiting some part of bike with FR's screen Mar 09 10:39:53 DocScrutinizer: probably you know some way of obtaining a spare part or smth... Mar 09 10:40:09 trisoft Mar 09 10:41:19 TPE isn't prepared to send any spare parts to end users. neither is Suzhou Mar 09 10:42:31 DocScrutinizer: ok, that's a valuable info. Will tell p0seidon next time i see him. Mar 09 10:42:56 let me put it this way: for TPE its less expensive to send a whole device than a part Mar 09 10:45:13 all resellers get a certain amount of "spare devices" to canibalize for repair purposes, afaik Mar 09 10:47:00 BTW, on some PDA's a mechanical measure exist to protect the screen from accidental touches and more severe impact. Too bad there's nothing like that for FR. Mar 09 10:48:10 talking bout clamshell? Mar 09 10:50:37 DocScrutinizer: smth like that: http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2005/02/23/luxurioeser_business_pda_hp_ipaq_hx4700/hx4700-flip.jpg Mar 09 10:50:55 And it's easily detachable. Mar 09 10:51:55 PaulFert`: go to the nearest HW shop, buy some thick transparent plastic sheet & duct tape :) Mar 09 10:52:29 hmm, the ME of Neo is conceived very ambivalent Mar 09 10:52:30 rhkfin_: not easily detachable, not allowing easy access to the battery compartment and disassembly of the whole device. Mar 09 10:55:11 I did bad things to some devices and yet never seen a broken LCD-glass Mar 09 10:56:16 there are reports of devices surviving drops from 2.floor Mar 09 10:56:34 Any reports of broken touch screen by water/snow? Mar 09 10:56:57 not to my knowledge Mar 09 10:57:11 ok Mar 09 10:57:14 good Mar 09 10:57:39 I shocked LCM with freeze spray (-58C) Mar 09 10:57:57 and it still worked (a bit slow i'd guess :) Mar 09 10:58:35 not impact *at all* (except of occasional triggering WSOD) Mar 09 11:00:01 not bad :) Mar 09 11:01:54 may it got slow. didn't notice as I just used text console Mar 09 11:03:09 nothing really bad anyway. no "c'mon start to scroll" Mar 09 11:03:21 :) Mar 09 11:03:28 Sound's good Mar 09 11:03:43 yeah arctic proof Mar 09 11:05:03 'Finland proof' (except someone just told to have some problems with the touch screen after it got some snow on it ..) Mar 09 11:05:03 There is a layer of air above the LCD, between it and a touchscreen Mar 09 11:05:07 2h freezer (-22C). Worked like charm. Takile feeling even improved ;-) Mar 09 11:05:15 heh :) Mar 09 11:05:23 this will somewhat insulate it. Mar 09 11:05:51 moisture getting into the phone, or condensation may in principle cause problems Mar 09 11:05:58 yes.. Mar 09 11:06:08 yup Mar 09 11:06:22 freeze / room temperature - cycle is no good I guess.. Mar 09 11:06:25 though r-ts is sealed Mar 09 11:07:06 rhkfin_: and yet that's exactly what I did Mar 09 11:07:19 temp cycling can be bad - even though it takes it once Mar 09 11:07:52 going from -20 to +20 a hundred times or so, ... Mar 09 11:08:01 hmm ok Mar 09 11:08:32 though many are used to stuff dying in that sort of circumstance. Mar 09 11:08:40 AIUI Mar 09 11:08:47 noncondensing it should take it Mar 09 11:08:48 designing for extremes is fun! Mar 09 11:09:21 Currently doing a project to take -55C for a few days Mar 09 11:09:28 Balloon. Mar 09 11:09:35 cool Mar 09 11:09:51 forecast? Mar 09 11:09:59 forecast? Mar 09 11:10:13 weather obs & forecast Mar 09 11:10:17 no Mar 09 11:10:19 hobby Mar 09 11:10:23 ahh Mar 09 11:10:59 just a simple one with some ballast, and filled with hydrogen, to get to ~30Km, and sit there for a bit. Mar 09 11:11:06 reporting back over HF radio Mar 09 11:11:16 :-D Mar 09 11:11:27 poor mans sputnik Mar 09 11:11:30 ~30bps or so Mar 09 11:12:07 take care of jets! ;-) Mar 09 11:12:37 know Nena "99 balloons"? Mar 09 11:13:15 It's a 20m diameter foil sphere - they'll avoid it just fine :) Mar 09 11:13:15 (though impact would not be worse than birdstrike by design Mar 09 11:13:32 depending on your local military some ppl might get upset Mar 09 11:15:34 I'd avoid fingerprints Mar 09 11:15:34 it's actually legal. Mar 09 11:15:35 where? Mar 09 11:15:35 for me - this does depend on country Mar 09 11:15:35 uk Mar 09 11:15:35 ok Mar 09 11:15:36 Andd yes. (nena) Mar 09 11:15:36 There is nothing saying the balloon can't be foil - though it may surprise :) Mar 09 11:15:36 UK authority is used to deal with a spleeny people ;D Mar 09 11:16:28 in D I'm sure you need a pile of paperwork Mar 09 11:17:16 SpeedEvil: use silver foil ;) Mar 09 11:17:31 * shellevil goes to take up some floorboards. Mar 09 11:17:31 wave Mar 09 11:17:43 like those emergency blankets Mar 09 11:17:58 shellevil: cya Mar 09 11:31:21 doc|work: cheap aluminium foil is actually reasonably priced and suitable - if you can join it Mar 09 11:31:25 DocScrutinizer Mar 09 11:31:46 total budget on this is _low_ - 50 quid for the initial attempt. Mar 09 11:32:52 hmm, those blankets are more rugged. alufoil rather delicate Mar 09 11:33:02 that's part of the fun. Mar 09 11:33:12 it's actually not delicate - it's quite strong Mar 09 11:33:17 as long as you don't get a tear Mar 09 11:33:53 but probably blankets too expensive for this null-budget Mar 09 11:35:53 all radar operators will sill their coffee XD Mar 09 11:36:02 :) Mar 09 11:37:04 sPill Mar 09 11:48:47 SpeedEvil: where to get the H2 from for less than 50 bucks Mar 09 11:50:09 Atmospheric pressure at 30Km is _much_ less than sea-level. Mar 09 11:51:09 For a first cut - natural gas from my kitchen. Mar 09 11:52:45 hmm Mar 09 11:58:05 huuu Mar 09 11:58:11 soo Mar 09 11:58:18 anyone experienced with bazaar here? Mar 09 11:59:51 no Mar 09 12:00:45 Fougner: are you experienced with metaquestions? Mar 09 12:01:34 SpeedEvil: CH4:16g/mol N2:14g/mol Mar 09 12:02:18 N - 14g/mol Mar 09 12:02:24 N2 28g Mar 09 12:02:33 duh Mar 09 12:03:13 k Mar 09 12:04:11 henk, no need to =) Mar 09 12:35:00 Dave: is that a pipe-dream clone? Mar 09 12:40:05 nuclear_eclipse :D Mar 09 12:40:23 First I thought it was a net ripoff, but then yes, I noticed that :D Mar 09 12:40:51 freakin sweet :) Mar 09 12:40:57 :] Mar 09 12:41:02 hm? what are you talking about? Mar 09 12:42:00 henk: http://static.quadpoint.org/irssi/hilightwin.pl Mar 09 12:42:02 oops Mar 09 12:42:05 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4808c32fa0b9a0f21fe3a7e8c1985544.png Mar 09 12:42:09 thanks Mar 09 12:42:13 had the wrong url in paste buffer :P Mar 09 12:42:25 sweet Mar 09 12:47:10 :) Mar 09 12:47:48 frozen-bubble \o/ Mar 09 12:48:49 Frozen bubble? Mar 09 12:49:13 * nuclear_eclipse <3 frozen bubble for classtime :P Mar 09 12:49:31 would be great to have it on the openmoko :D Mar 09 12:49:44 accel and tap would work ok prolly Mar 09 12:49:51 gotta restart irssi with new configs Mar 09 12:50:10 * pabs3 wonders how well primrose would work on the openmoko Mar 09 12:54:21 :D Mar 09 12:54:36 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/3dbe8b7162d816d6599df049c458299f.png Mar 09 12:54:47 Dave: !! Mar 09 12:55:06 :D Mar 09 12:57:24 Dave, do you know where's the package? :D Mar 09 12:57:41 No, sorry... Mar 09 12:57:47 shouldn't be too hard to find though :) Mar 09 12:58:27 Ohh.. PipeDreams :D Mar 09 12:59:09 who are these images from? Mar 09 12:59:10 uh oh, now everybody knows ;) Mar 09 13:00:18 PipeDreams? Mar 09 13:00:38 you can get it here: http://www.opkg.org/package_155.html Mar 09 13:02:31 :O Mar 09 13:02:39 CRAAAAAAAAP!!!! Mar 09 13:02:41 Dave! Mar 09 13:02:46 * Dave hides Mar 09 13:02:58 I think I'm missing something here.. Mar 09 13:03:08 I'm trying to setup bazaar (bzr) with trac Mar 09 13:03:28 but trac won't recognize the protocol for bzr Mar 09 13:03:30 uhm Mar 09 13:09:13 would be great this. Is it already implemented in SHR-unstable? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/18184d6d66fd92fbaa69ed6a38f8c819.png Mar 09 13:09:31 and apply the same with calls Mar 09 13:11:26 bleh! Mar 09 13:13:35 sharwin_f: what illume theme is that? Mar 09 13:13:45 it looks much cleaner (=faster?) than the default Mar 09 13:14:30 gromgull, don't know, but looking throught all the photos I'm seeing lots of good things I didn't know where done :D Mar 09 13:14:31 gromez, the default for SHR? Mar 09 13:15:00 it's the unstable branch though.. Mar 09 13:15:01 ah interesting - so SHR does not use the default FSO theme Mar 09 13:15:15 gromez, FSO is just a middle layer Mar 09 13:15:23 the FSO distribution Mar 09 13:15:24 i mean Mar 09 13:15:28 yeah Mar 09 13:15:31 the image you can flash :) Mar 09 13:15:34 whatever you call it Mar 09 13:15:35 that's just a demo app Mar 09 13:15:42 so it's not really a theme, I think Mar 09 13:15:52 it's the default illume theme Mar 09 13:16:02 rasterman says it works nicely on more capable devices Mar 09 13:16:07 Since you also seem to know SHR, what dialer app do they use? Zhone? Mar 09 13:16:11 rasterman talks bs ;) Mar 09 13:16:12 i guess not Mar 09 13:16:44 :) Mar 09 13:16:45 I don't know what app they use, but it seems quite integrated Mar 09 13:17:23 Zhone is, basically, an user interface no? Mar 09 13:17:45 fsck, what do I know.. Mar 09 13:18:07 the UI for phone features, i.e. phoning people, sms, addressbook etc. Mar 09 13:18:07 anyway, try SHR out.. it's good Mar 09 13:18:18 exactly. Mar 09 13:18:20 I did - the image didn't boot so I flashed FSO and played with that instead Mar 09 13:18:27 but I may try again Mar 09 13:18:30 oh Mar 09 13:18:35 SHR unstable branch? Mar 09 13:18:40 try 'testing' Mar 09 13:18:43 it should work Mar 09 13:20:19 no this is a while back Mar 09 13:20:27 a couple of months at least Mar 09 13:20:30 oh Mar 09 13:20:43 I'll try next time I have some time to play Mar 09 13:20:45 then you should test it Mar 09 13:20:48 yeah Mar 09 13:21:12 but currently I've faced the fact that I will never have the phone I wanted out of the moko - so it may take while Mar 09 13:21:33 hehe Mar 09 13:22:05 maybe GTA03 could be the first phone "working" from factory? Mar 09 13:22:25 with a stable base, and then you can install a lot of apps upon Mar 09 13:22:31 I hope so :D Mar 09 13:22:41 mwester! :D Mar 09 13:22:48 Yes - I guess they GTA02 will be the "learning edition", i.e. for openmoko to learn what to do and not do and get the software up to scratch, and gta03 will be the real one Mar 09 13:23:19 yeah, the first Neo1973 was some "alpha" concept, tryout Mar 09 13:23:39 then the neo freerunner went public, and a lot of developers got involved Mar 09 13:23:58 * SpeedEvil notes 02 was supposed to be the real one. Mar 09 13:24:15 well, people always rush things SpeedEvil Mar 09 13:25:01 as for me, I'm trying to develop a simple webapp, and I think "today I'm going to get this and that done".. but no Mar 09 13:25:31 at the end of the day I'm happy if I got halway Mar 09 13:25:33 If you want "the real one" i guess you better wait for the GTA06? Mar 09 13:25:34 halfway* Mar 09 13:25:39 haha Mar 09 13:25:39 yeah Mar 09 13:25:42 probably laen Mar 09 13:25:56 or, well, let's say GTA04 Mar 09 13:26:00 * laen had his gf pissed off at the freerunner recently :( Mar 09 13:26:04 HAHA Mar 09 13:26:44 you allow her to use it? oh my.. she's into linux? Mar 09 13:26:52 Fougner: the GTA04 is going to be released sort-of at the same time as the 03, release in parralel. Mar 09 13:26:59 laen, why? :O Mar 09 13:27:12 so that's development? =P Mar 09 13:27:16 There are concrete plans for the 04? Mar 09 13:27:19 So, they don't learn from eachother, you gotta wait for 1 release to fix it, and one to finish it off.. which is why i think the GTA06 is closed :p Mar 09 13:27:32 closer Mar 09 13:27:56 Uh, there was a talk on FOSDEM2009 from a Debian-Openmoko guy, he explained OM's plans. Mar 09 13:28:03 eh Mar 09 13:28:07 I don't get it Mar 09 13:28:16 Go get it then. Mar 09 13:28:24 ah, hear this Mar 09 13:28:32 they first release GTA03 public, to get feedback Mar 09 13:28:52 and then "if" there are bugs in hardware, they improve it and then release the GTA04? Mar 09 13:28:57 did I get it? :P Mar 09 13:28:58 Nope. Mar 09 13:29:02 aaw.. Mar 09 13:29:03 I'm stupid Mar 09 13:29:08 =( Mar 09 13:29:10 'a talk' Mar 09 13:29:12 * SpeedEvil sighs. Mar 09 13:29:13 apt shoot Fougner Mar 09 13:29:14 * apt shoots Fougner in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! Mar 09 13:29:17 They are creating the 03 and 04 in parrallell (remove any r's and l's how you wish). Mar 09 13:29:21 talks are not sensible ways to reveal important stuff. Mar 09 13:29:33 at least - not only talks Mar 09 13:29:44 So the 04 is getting a better 3D chip and 3g etc, more of a media phone.. the 03 will be cheaper and sort of a follow up. Mar 09 13:29:53 SpeedEvil, how'd you like it then? in a mail? :P Mar 09 13:29:53 (though admittedly I haven't been reading the mailing lists) Mar 09 13:29:57 And cause the 04 will be harder to complete, it's beeing released a bit later. Mar 09 13:30:23 oh, 03 follow up for the FR? Mar 09 13:30:27 laen: talks to those couple of people involved actively in the project that happen to turn up is not a sensible way to reveal info to those in the community. Mar 09 13:30:44 SpeedEvil: agreed. Mar 09 13:30:49 laen: mailing list, and updating the wiki Mar 09 13:31:14 gah Mar 09 13:31:17 But it's the only thing we get to hear.. cause OM isn't quite open about their plans or strategy at all.. we're all humping a Microsoft strategy here. Mar 09 13:31:42 SpeedEvil and laen, do anyone of you know about DCVS? Mar 09 13:32:11 Nope. Mar 09 13:32:19 =( Mar 09 13:32:27 laen: yeah Mar 09 13:32:29 I really want to get this working Mar 09 13:33:15 What? Mar 09 13:33:21 WHAT? :D Mar 09 13:33:24 DCVS! Mar 09 13:33:30 aah, beautiful weather today, isn't it? Mar 09 13:33:30 anyone can check this package ? http://www.opkg.org/package_157.html Mar 09 13:33:33 Oh. Mar 09 13:33:35 Laen! Mar 09 13:33:39 DAVE! Mar 09 13:33:45 kasjo: checked. Mar 09 13:33:59 kasjo, I've tried it before today :) Mar 09 13:34:26 The GTA03 and GTA04 pages haven't been updated since december. Mar 09 13:34:27 kasjo, not so much, but it installed and I think it runs ok Mar 09 13:34:30 forex Mar 09 13:34:41 Sharwin_F: ok thx Mar 09 13:35:05 DAVE! Mar 09 13:35:18 * Fougner is booting OM2008.12 Mar 09 13:35:19 So 03 will still have the same useless glamo chip? ... Mar 09 13:35:25 I hope nto! Mar 09 13:35:26 not* Mar 09 13:35:36 I'd like it to have a nVidia GF 6800GT! Mar 09 13:36:51 Fougner, might be you also want x86 cpu?) Mar 09 13:36:58 in this case buy laptop) Mar 09 13:37:06 noooo Mar 09 13:37:08 x64 :D Mar 09 13:37:15 and have fun with vista and games) Mar 09 13:37:24 nah Mar 09 13:37:27 not vista Mar 09 13:37:36 gromgull: Nope. Mar 09 13:37:46 No glamo in any future device. Mar 09 13:37:55 good ! Mar 09 13:38:06 Sort-of 3D in the GTA03, better 3D in the GTA04. Mar 09 13:38:15 oh nice Mar 09 13:38:22 same wifi and bluetooth? Mar 09 13:38:29 what about camera? Mar 09 13:38:34 I think I saw some app in the repos Mar 09 13:39:08 Don't remember anymore about the wifi and bluetooth.. iirc there was some convo between OM and the atheros chip/driver creators.. Mar 09 13:39:31 oh Mar 09 13:39:34 And i believe i've seen something about 1 chip that integrates bluetooth _and_ wifi at the same time or something. Mar 09 13:39:35 as usual Mar 09 13:39:40 do ou know if it would be possible to connect some gadged (ie usb disk) and charge the openmoko at the same time, using a usb hub? Mar 09 13:39:41 oh, nice Mar 09 13:40:12 if not, would be nice to have 2 usb's on the gta03 xD Mar 09 13:40:15 hmm, would be cool to connect a HDD to the moko Mar 09 13:40:25 a 2.5" Mar 09 13:40:28 Fougner, you could do it now Mar 09 13:40:35 really? Mar 09 13:40:37 Would be cool to have a normal keyboard on the OM :P Mar 09 13:40:38 really Mar 09 13:40:42 wow Mar 09 13:40:43 gta02 has usb host mode Mar 09 13:40:47 yeah I know Mar 09 13:40:52 Yeah and that will leech your batts! :p Mar 09 13:40:59 but I thought it was limited in the current Mar 09 13:41:01 max_posedon, yeah, but you can't charge at the same time, can you? Mar 09 13:41:08 Sharwin_F: nope. Mar 09 13:41:15 so that's the point xD Mar 09 13:41:36 . Mar 09 13:41:45 for example, I suppouse you can attach a usb cam.. but it would empty the battery fast I suppouse Mar 09 13:42:09 hehe Mar 09 13:42:12 Well the cam needs to be powered.. if, like normal cams, it gets it's power from the USB.. well :) Mar 09 13:42:34 laen, most cameras take power from usb Mar 09 13:42:42 Yup :) Mar 09 13:42:57 Sharwin_F: with special cable you can charge and act as usb host at the same time Mar 09 13:43:00 We should make a community-based model. Mar 09 13:43:16 While they're working on the GTA03, let's start on the GTA08 :P Mar 09 13:43:24 Ah lindi-, my resource for cool and interesting OM stuff :) Mar 09 13:43:28 lindi-, how much special? a usb hub dooesn't goes ok? Mar 09 13:43:40 lindi-: wtb howto :) Mar 09 13:43:48 Sharwin_F: usb hub does not do Mar 09 13:44:06 laen: wiki has had instructions for this for months ;) Mar 09 13:44:14 lindi-, can I buy this cable easily? xD Mar 09 13:44:25 Ow dear, sorry lindi- :) Mar 09 13:44:26 Sharwin_F: i don't think any are commercially sold Mar 09 13:45:10 lindi-, does it have any specific name to look for it? Mar 09 13:45:20 dah! what's the first thing I should do when I've got a fresh install of OM2008.12 ? :D Mar 09 13:45:33 install a terminal? Mar 09 13:45:36 Sharwin_F: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables Mar 09 13:45:44 ok thanks :D Mar 09 13:46:54 heh! Mar 09 13:50:12 are you looking for these USB cables? http://www.pcp.ch/PCP-CH-USB-Y-Kabel-1m-Typ-2xA-MiniB-1a14026019.htm Mar 09 13:50:15 about 5 EUR Mar 09 13:50:47 Sweet :) Mar 09 13:51:52 Sharwin_F: hmm Mar 09 13:52:37 hehe thanks :) Mar 09 13:52:51 I'll bookmark it to look at it in a while Mar 09 13:53:02 spaetz: have you tested that it works? Mar 09 13:53:47 I haven't used it yet, no Mar 09 13:53:59 lindi-: the description for that cable in stores here says "to give more power to the usb device" .. Mar 09 13:54:01 but I don't see why it shouldn't work Mar 09 13:54:31 spaetz: does it include the pull-up resistors? Mar 09 13:54:43 phones are broken... laptops are broken... everything's broken... Mar 09 13:54:45 -_- Mar 09 13:55:06 lindi-: actually, I don't think there are any resistors included. A bare Y-cable, I think Mar 09 13:55:19 spaetz: then you need to add the resistors yourself Mar 09 13:56:18 mmh, probably Mar 09 13:56:55 I don't really need it, so I'll leave that for some rainy day far in the future Mar 09 14:02:01 spaetz: lindi-, laen: I recommend modifying a USB-hub. most convenient and easy Mar 09 14:02:55 Doctor doctor Mar 09 14:03:47 I got one here, pretty much standard low-budget. Needs two 15k and shorting a schottky, and you have a perfect "Y-cable" with power-plug (powersupply comes with hub!) Mar 09 14:06:52 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/USB-HUB.txt Mar 09 14:09:33 Dave: situation normal then :) Mar 09 14:09:46 :P Mar 09 14:10:00 I should photograph mine Mar 09 14:10:04 though I cheated Mar 09 14:10:50 photo your what? Mar 09 14:11:05 * tig| is concerned Mar 09 14:11:24 haha Mar 09 14:11:28 * Dave slaps tig Mar 09 14:12:16 * DocScrutinizer throws 50KG of candy to the channel and waves Mar 09 14:12:53 I was told not to take candy from strangers..... Mar 09 14:13:25 :D Mar 09 14:13:33 and they don't get much stranger :P Mar 09 14:13:42 YES Mar 09 14:14:26 DocScrutinizer: is adding the resistor requirement? i think I saw that the hardware could enable/disable the resistor independently of usb mode? Mar 09 14:14:57 It'd be better they tought you not to buy smartfones from strangers ;-) Mar 09 14:15:05 hahahahaa Mar 09 14:15:07