**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 13 02:59:57 2009 Mar 13 03:09:30 now that was odd Mar 13 04:23:24 When is the next iteration of openMoko out? Mar 13 04:23:54 there are new software versions almost daily Mar 13 04:24:13 I mean hardware platform, the SoC flaw makes it a poor video player Mar 13 04:24:54 at least christmas Mar 13 04:25:15 maybe 2010 Mar 13 04:25:46 it would be very cool if im wrong though Mar 13 04:26:56 it's not really a SoC flaw - if the SoC handled the video - as it can - it'd probably work better. Mar 13 04:26:58 but... Mar 13 04:38:27 lpotter so what ya up to now? Mar 13 04:40:09 working on Qt stuff mostly Mar 13 04:57:44 : Mar 13 04:57:48 :\ Mar 13 05:04:34 so will we have a working QT for the moko? Mar 13 05:04:44 for free? Mar 13 05:05:21 QT is quicktime Mar 13 05:05:42 oo Mar 13 05:06:05 Qt already works on the OM :) Mar 13 05:07:26 QT= cutie Mar 13 06:52:05 hi, i am running SHR on my FR, and the enlightenment daemon is taking constant 30% CPU, is there any way i can use a different window manager? Mar 13 06:54:24 jyro: i wonder if a magic workaround works for you "move a desktop file from /usr/share/applications to /tmp, wait a few seconds, move it back". Mar 13 06:55:37 PaulFert: can u explain a bit, what that will achieve? Mar 13 06:55:58 jyro: some people say that it will stop E cpu hogging. Mar 13 06:56:30 jyro: i'm not sure if they're packaged for SHR but many people are using LXDE or matchbox with Debian. Mar 13 06:57:16 yeah i flashed debian on the microSD, but can't get it to boot for some reason Mar 13 06:58:20 PaulFert: wow, you were right Mar 13 06:58:39 i moved pidgin.desktop and it has helped Mar 13 06:58:46 now enlightenment is at 2.5% Mar 13 06:58:57 PaulFert: thanks a lot Mar 13 06:59:59 jyro: You're welcome. That's the workaround billk posted on the community mailing list btw :) Mar 13 07:28:18 vininim: registration deadline is in two days but it's kind of soft date, just to let us know how many are participating, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ Mar 13 07:28:37 shellevil: yes, competition: http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ Mar 13 07:43:29 Hi... Can I ask a question that about Android on FreeRunner? Mar 13 07:43:55 firedragen, you might wanna find more response in #freerunner-android for that Mar 13 07:44:09 got it, thx :) Mar 13 08:34:23 good morning Mar 13 09:46:18 Offcourse, another barely portable ipk/opk crap contest! Mar 13 09:46:39 * laen shoots the OM community in the head, at least 5 times. Mar 13 09:59:37 laen: a tad harsh, what for this time? Mar 13 10:15:50 =) Mar 13 10:24:25 laen: tell me what's wrong with the competition Mar 13 10:28:05 Well, not the competition itself, but with the community. I don't see why we need ipk/opk crap while we could just code regular linux apps which will work on any platform.. no, we're now making stuff that will _only_ work when using opkg and E and and and.. Mar 13 10:28:34 Oh well, said this before, no use whatsoever. Have fun with it. Mar 13 10:29:01 heh, thanks :) Mar 13 10:29:21 All just a lost case anyway. Mar 13 10:29:35 * rhkfin smells some pessimism around here.. Mar 13 10:29:43 Yush! :) Mar 13 10:30:13 Cause you're all too optimistic coding around without thinking about what we're actually doing. Mar 13 10:31:13 need to have a feeling to be able to do something.. Mar 13 10:31:32 Well i can understand that yeah. Mar 13 10:32:09 It's too bad that the base where people want to build isn't maybe.. that finished yet Mar 13 10:32:58 But then at least create code which is not locked into E and other Openmoko-required stuff, give the code, and give opkg as _additional_ thing. Mar 13 10:34:06 Understand that and I hope others get it too.. Mar 13 10:39:12 Same thing is the widespread projects people put time into.. they copy a distribution and put on another WM and suddenly, they're claiming they made another distribution! False! Like Ubuntu, Kubuntu Xubuntu WhateverBuntu, Crunchbang.. it's all still the same distribution: Ubuntu. Mar 13 10:40:08 Oh well. Mar 13 10:42:20 laen: I agree that it's the same distro and I'd think many Buntu people agree. Mar 13 10:43:46 Oh one last thing i wanna rant about :P Mar 13 10:45:48 What is up with the french? Do they still think they are the ubermensch? The whole world can mostly read and sometimes write in english.. But noooo french people ignore everyone and not only at the openmoko blog and projects, they do it everywhere.. Someone gotta remind em they forgot to start the 3rd world war. Mar 13 10:46:13 I mean, they just write everything in french and do not even take time to translate. Mar 13 10:46:16 K, done ranting :) Mar 13 10:47:33 heh, agreed again :) But I guess we just have to try to live with it.. Mar 13 10:48:19 Yup. Unfortunately :) Mar 13 10:51:38 hmm with SHR my freerunner is flirting as being usable as my main phone, all I need now really is the buzz fix Mar 13 10:56:13 tig|: same here... Mar 13 10:57:15 tig|: wasn't that really hardware related? Mar 13 10:59:40 yep, hardware -- no software will ever be able to fix it. Mar 13 11:00:08 * henk needs to find soldering equipment, so my gf can fix it... Mar 13 11:01:47 Oo Mar 13 11:02:08 Interesting. My girlfriend was shouting at me pissed off last week and made me switch to a normal daily phone again ^_^ :) Mar 13 11:02:30 any ideas where i can borrow soldering equipment suited for fixing that issue in zuerich? Mar 13 11:02:41 You can fix it? Mar 13 11:02:44 laen: lol, my gf is kind of a geek luckily :) Mar 13 11:03:22 No i mean, is it really fixable with soldering etc? Mar 13 11:03:47 laen: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/ Mar 13 11:04:12 I'm surprised TI didn't respond to the problem btw. Mar 13 11:04:43 It's not a TI problem. Mar 13 11:05:27 It's an audio circuit problem; lack of shielding/RFI suppression in some key signal lines. Mar 13 11:05:49 mwester: lack of some beads ;) Mar 13 11:06:27 Yep. a few pennies worth. reminds me of that poem about for want of a nail the kingdom was lost, or something like that. Mar 13 11:06:42 So that bead that doesn't fit.. isn't it possible to connect a wire between it somewhere and stuff the bead where it would fit? Mar 13 11:07:13 Ask your gf :) Mar 13 11:07:34 * mwester is completely certain, given the effort DocScrutinizer put into solving that one, that the fix he posted is the simplest possible solution. Mar 13 11:07:36 she doesn't know anything about electronics, just about soldering... Mar 13 11:08:08 DocScrutinizer: I know you are no longer in charge of the fix now it has been finalised but do you know if there has been a push to green light it for the resellers or if it will be worth me trying to find someone to do the fix for me instead? Mar 13 11:08:27 instead of waiting for an OM/Reseller fix Mar 13 11:09:50 tig|: even me doesn't know for sure what's going on with resellers and "green light". Probably it's all about money. Mar 13 11:10:23 tig|: I know nevertheless OM is testing A6 buzz fix rework in a larger scale right ATM Mar 13 11:10:42 mwester: which one is that? Mar 13 11:10:54 dunno if this will result in a recommendation / field change order or sth eventually Mar 13 11:11:17 Ah wait, nvm mwester :) Mar 13 11:12:09 DocScrutinizer: thanks, I will sit tight then for moment unless I find someone handy with SMT skills :) Mar 13 11:12:32 tig|: fair enough ;) Mar 13 11:12:47 (mine extend as far as don't hold the hot end of the soldering iron) :) Mar 13 11:13:34 * mwester is going to send his to PaulFert` next he travels to .ru ;-) Mar 13 11:16:37 thinking about it there must be someone here that can do it, I work on a science park full of tech companies... will have to ask around Mar 13 11:16:48 In soviet russia, phone fixes PaulFert`. Mar 13 12:22:48 do I need a vfat and a ext3 on my sd card or can I use every fs? Mar 13 12:23:11 for what? Mar 13 12:23:41 I think my card is broken, I can flash however I want but I cannot boot again Mar 13 12:24:20 why should failures to boot after flashing indicate a broken sd card? Mar 13 12:24:30 Usually that would indicate a broken image. Mar 13 12:24:37 or a broken bootloader config. Mar 13 12:25:09 I tried 3 kinds of android images, now I am trying a fyp image at work with windows. Mar 13 12:25:56 how can I change the bootloader config without flashing u-boot? or do I need flash u-boot, because I tried that and have no success Mar 13 12:27:17 serdar1: you need to flash a customized uboot env. but you shouldn't use uboot anyway, qi is recommended and that doesn't need a config. Mar 13 12:27:43 but the flashing option called u-boot or did that changed? Mar 13 12:27:56 I was useing qi right now Mar 13 12:28:34 serdar1: hu? you don't need uboot, if that's your question. Mar 13 12:28:38 Ah, yes, well then you could have all sorts of troubles. Mar 13 12:29:06 I use flashmoko u-boot qi-image what's wrong with that? Mar 13 12:29:41 flashmoko? u-boot qi-image? sounds _all_ wrong to me 'g' Mar 13 12:30:23 hm? Mar 13 12:30:45 serdar1: what is 'flashmoko'? whats a 'u-boot qi-image'? Mar 13 12:31:29 cat /usr/bin/flashmoko Mar 13 12:31:31 args Mar 13 12:32:24 dfu-util -a $1 -R -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -D $2 Mar 13 12:32:27 that's it Mar 13 12:32:52 ah ok, yes that should be flashed correctly then... Mar 13 12:33:02 serdar1: and you flashed fyp's kernel and rootfs image? Mar 13 12:33:20 no I am now flashing fyp's kernel and rootfs Mar 13 12:33:52 the rootfs is still going 2h ago and is not finished, I hate windows. Mar 13 13:05:25 \o/ 03/13/2009 7:23 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY Mar 13 13:06:14 SeligArkin: ah your pain is about to begin :) Mar 13 13:07:09 heh Mar 13 13:07:18 woot? :P Mar 13 13:08:21 := Mar 13 13:08:21 is it an A7 version? Mar 13 13:08:47 rhkfin is zoidberg!? Mar 13 13:09:41 SeligArkin: brlbrlblrblrlblrrlblrbllrlb! Mar 13 13:09:42 Cesar is a prime-number? Mar 13 13:10:16 tig|1: not sure Mar 13 13:10:32 it's not Mar 13 13:10:53 A7 not shipping yet AFAIK Mar 13 13:11:14 doc|home: any idea of stocks of A6, and time to? Mar 13 13:11:45 there'sa quite a number of A6 on stock, which will get buzzfix right now Mar 13 13:12:59 maybe first A6 with buzzfix are shipping, maybe first A7 are shipping ATVM, I dunno for sure Mar 13 13:13:48 That's information that would interest the community, for sure - but then again 'random' delivery is fair for everyone.. Mar 13 13:14:23 I'm not supposed to announce anything, as I'm no OM employee any more Mar 13 13:14:44 * SpeedEvil diddn't know. Mar 13 13:14:54 and I don't know anything for sure, so all this just AFAIK Mar 13 13:14:55 Or /me forgot more likely. Mar 13 13:16:47 * rhkfin wonders who's still left at OM.. raster gone, DocScrutinizer gone, ... Andy still there, I guess, and Angus as Distro manager Mar 13 13:19:27 well I consider myself to be a member of "inner circle" still (whatever THAT means) ;-) It's just my contributions aren't payed anymore :D Mar 13 13:19:53 DocScrutinizer: and you can't get fired for speaking out now ;-) Mar 13 13:20:04 lol, right :D Mar 13 13:20:14 * SpeedEvil would imagine certain nondisclosure agreements. Mar 13 13:20:17 a BIG advantage Mar 13 13:20:26 I hate this day :/ Mar 13 13:20:29 SpeedEvil: sure there are Mar 13 13:20:38 and I'll adhere to them Mar 13 13:20:41 SpeedEvil: sure, but none that cover calling someone an idiot ;-) Mar 13 13:20:55 yup Mar 13 13:20:56 the whole day I cannot flash and I am working at Helpdesk they are rolling me over Mar 13 13:21:09 DocScrutinizer: you have a new job somewhere or 'between contracts Mar 13 13:21:11 :) Mar 13 13:22:16 So I have this GTA02 connected by USB to a Fon2 device, and am trying to ssh into it via usbnet. Mar 13 13:22:21 pings work, but ssh doesn't. Mar 13 13:22:29 serdar1: still trying with Windows? Windows isn't OM-compatible :)(nothing wrong with FR, of course!) Mar 13 13:22:33 I can ssh into it from another linux host no problem. Mar 13 13:22:40 took a little "offtime", now starting to look for new challenges Mar 13 13:22:42 I run tcpdump at both ends of the connection. Mar 13 13:22:51 DocScrutinizer: nice Mar 13 13:23:56 I think there are usbnet drivers for windows somewhere,my old router had a usb port for using it like that, and I would not think them to provide the port if windows doesn't support it Mar 13 13:24:42 the neo responds fine to the ssh connection, but the Fon2 seems to be ignoring the packet that comes back. Mar 13 13:25:10 Hmm - I guess this might be a Fon2 MIPS usbnet kernel problem rather than anything to do with the FreeRunner. Mar 13 13:29:50 * DocScrutinizer out for brunch Mar 13 13:31:38 Everyone here have heard about the programming competition? http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/juryupdated-rules-for-the-om-programming-competition/ Mar 13 13:32:50 oops, meant http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/announcing-the-first-programming-competition-for-openmoko-phones/ Mar 13 13:40:51 WTF support for headphones???? Mar 13 13:41:10 shouldn't this be "support for native ALSA" ? Mar 13 13:42:26 *NO* app is supposed to meddle with speaker/headphones switching directly Mar 13 13:43:08 as it will lead to all funny kinds of incompatibilities. Mar 13 13:44:09 DocScrutinizer: good point.. Mar 13 13:44:17 want to add it to the comments? Mar 13 13:44:20 mickey laurel, hihihi. Mar 13 13:44:33 His name is Lauer Mar 13 13:44:42 AFAIK Mar 13 13:45:20 hmm.. interesting .) Mar 13 13:45:32 nah, me not even here anymore ;-) I'm enjoying my virtual brunch right this moment :-/ Mar 13 13:45:35 indeed, you're right :) Mar 13 13:45:45 virtual brunch? Mar 13 13:45:52 * SeligArkin stares blanklyy Mar 13 13:46:04 well it looks like my laptop ATM Mar 13 13:46:04 what is that, a picture of bacon on the screen when talking to people? Mar 13 13:46:24 * DocScrutinizer always needs some hours to leave home :-( Mar 13 13:47:01 * DocScrutinizer away no for real Mar 13 13:47:47 bye Mar 13 14:28:26 Hello, does anybody experience usage differences between GTA02v5 and GTA02v6 (e.g. battery usage, GPS fix time, noise when talking over the phone, ...)? Mar 13 14:57:29 for fedora users, there is dfu-util http://bugzilla.redhat.com/463140 available in f10 and rawhide. Mar 13 15:35:28 hey all Mar 13 15:35:40 Anyone know why i get Mar 13 15:35:47 "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: Emergency failed: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.NotAnEmergencyNumber" Mar 13 15:35:50 even though i am trying an emergency number ? Mar 13 15:39:10 anyone? :\ Mar 13 16:09:35 ahoi Mar 13 16:27:06 has anyone tried android on freerunner? Mar 13 16:27:39 kW, may i redirect you to #freerunner-android? Mar 13 16:28:15 thank you :-) Mar 13 16:46:23 hey guys. I'm looking for "Michael Trimarchi's images with latest fixes" at http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ but it seems to be down. Do any of you have the cupcake updated image? Mar 13 16:48:29 quit Mar 13 16:48:45 בוט -_- Mar 13 16:56:34 I found this mirror http://www.fragcom.de/android/ Mar 13 17:01:11 hm.. do the android guys have some bandwith problem? Mar 13 17:05:12 unlotto: try http://www.koolu.com/~marcelo/ (it should be lastest non public beta from koolu - they trying to integrate all changes...) Mar 13 17:05:55 Thanks joejoe I see it has cupcake aswell Mar 13 17:06:31 it should be published soon as official koolu beta Mar 13 17:08:11 further discussion should be in #freerunner-android .. Mar 13 17:23:04 hi Mar 13 17:23:15 i am thinking of getting one of these phonrs Mar 13 17:23:24 but am trying to find out something before i buy Mar 13 17:23:45 i want to know if there as many applications out there as there are for other versions of linux Mar 13 17:24:31 honestly if you want to use it as a phone I think you should wait +6 months. Mar 13 17:26:23 SomeT, most of all linux apps can be compiled and used on neo Mar 13 17:26:34 better question is their usability Mar 13 17:32:30 cool Mar 13 17:32:49 just wondering as am currently going to begin training as an ethical hacker Mar 13 17:32:59 and am dead interested in computer security Mar 13 17:33:08 especially within mobile devices such as these Mar 13 17:34:27 SomeT: i run debian on the phone and there are more or less the same software packages available as for the x86 debian on my laptop. Mar 13 17:34:45 cool Mar 13 17:34:53 i done that with an eeepc i had Mar 13 17:35:01 im not the most advanced user on linux to be honest Mar 13 17:35:11 as i dont have much free time to learn it fully Mar 13 17:35:18 which is why i love mobile devices with it on, haha Mar 13 17:37:07 I can't say that neo is user ready Mar 13 17:37:20 it is still more for developers and geeks Mar 13 17:39:39 ah cool Mar 13 17:39:44 thanks for the info anyway Mar 13 17:39:55 some aspects of it does seem a bit complex for me to be honest Mar 13 17:40:03 anyway gotta go Mar 13 17:40:05 thanks again Mar 13 17:40:06 cya Mar 13 17:49:31 oh Mar 13 17:49:40 someone actually using ctrlproxy Mar 13 17:49:47 dwmw2_gone, Mar 13 17:49:52 you still read this? Mar 13 17:58:19 anybody using the swo keyboard? Mar 13 17:58:55 Zorkman: what's that? Mar 13 17:59:25 i mean "qwo" Mar 13 17:59:28 i'll give you link Mar 13 17:59:35 Zorkman: i am Mar 13 17:59:36 http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ Mar 13 17:59:40 http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html Mar 13 17:59:41 oh, qwo I know Mar 13 17:59:55 bbs Mar 13 18:00:01 qwo wadis? Mar 13 18:00:05 lol :) Mar 13 18:00:34 when i try to type the "shift", it works, but i also always get a "5" Mar 13 18:01:10 i go: center -> upper left --> bottom left --> center Mar 13 18:07:22 going center center -> upper left --> bottom left --> upper right does work Mar 13 18:07:34 Zorkman: be careful about the 'touches'. i had the same just now and tried again, making sure i'm not accidentally hitting the middle twice. Mar 13 18:08:14 i'm not hitting it accidently, i even tested it 20+ times with a stylus Mar 13 18:08:21 that doesn't leave the surface of my fr Mar 13 18:43:25 hi Mar 13 18:57:38 Hello, does anybody know how to remove the PIN from a SIM? Mar 13 19:00:35 kW: AT+CLCK="SC",0 Mar 13 19:00:43 kW: i guess that should work Mar 13 19:00:53 thank you Mar 13 19:01:50 how do I know which version of the freerunner I have? Mar 13 19:02:02 spydon: cat /proc/cpuinfo Mar 13 19:02:14 thx Mar 13 19:09:41 where am I supposed to write this "setenv" command so I can have a kernel bigger then 2mb with uboot? Mar 13 19:10:11 spydon: uboot console (via usb acm) Mar 13 19:10:31 How do I get it up? :P Mar 13 19:10:45 spydon: just use qi instead ;) Mar 13 19:11:08 henk, I do now, but to test android I need u-boot :P Mar 13 19:11:23 spydon: really? why? Mar 13 19:11:41 qi is really buggy with the latest android image Mar 13 19:11:50 spydon: qi buggy? prove or leave Mar 13 19:12:02 or android buggy with qi :P Mar 13 19:12:11 spydon: that's ok, i agree :) Mar 13 19:12:16 spydon: ah i remember i had that discussion with someone else... it's not... exactly. probably not qi's but uboot/android's fault. Mar 13 19:12:44 okay, but how do I get to type anything in the uboot console? Mar 13 19:12:59 henk: probably it was me. And Androids problems were misdiagnosed (like "contacts doesn't work" or smth like that). Mar 13 19:13:04 minicom (or whatever) /dev/ttyACM0 on the host side spydon Mar 13 19:13:17 spydon: you need the cdc_acm module too on the host Mar 13 19:13:18 spydon: i think in case you have problems, wiki has instructions. Mar 13 19:13:24 spydon: that too Mar 13 19:13:53 PaulFert`: hm, i think i'd remember if it was you... but it was about contacts, right :) Mar 13 19:15:25 thx :) Mar 13 19:15:38 SpeedEvil: if you haven't fixed your bold ':' till christmas i'll really read the docs and tell you how to disable it! Mar 13 19:15:51 It's possible that Android used an old kernel which doesn't initialize some GPIO lines as outputs and therefore is unable to communitacate with the modem. Since then it was discussed on kernel ml, and Andy reverted Qi behaviour to the stupid one which works even with broken kernel. Mar 13 19:16:51 max_posedon: How's the weather in Minsk? :) Mar 13 19:17:12 Fine! Spring nere) Mar 13 19:17:41 Same for us. Almost clear sky, warm air. Mar 13 19:18:20 he-he, I even heard birds today), Have your birds in Moscow?) Mar 13 19:18:52 Woot, I has my phone now Mar 13 19:19:00 yay Mar 13 19:19:15 We even have elks in Moscow :) Mar 13 19:19:35 SeligArkin: are you going to do the buzz fix RIGHT NOW? ;) Mar 13 19:19:59 PaulFert`, you miss smth, I think you mean bears) Mar 13 19:20:12 PaulFert`: it Mar 13 19:20:21 PaulFert`: it's not even connecting to the gsm network it seems... Mar 13 19:20:31 (a bit too early for birds though, haven't heard them yet. Probably because i was at the polytechincs museum, no live birds inside ;) ) Mar 13 19:20:44 SeligArkin: Upgrade the GSM firmware Mar 13 19:21:53 max_posedon: http://www.dorprobka.ru/news.php?id=3889 Mar 13 19:22:05 * SeligArkin likes the pen/stylus that came with the phone Mar 13 19:22:28 SeligArkin: imho it should have been 2cm shorter to better fit into the pouch... Mar 13 19:23:17 Imho that it should have been a small soldering iron to aid the buzz fix :) Mar 13 19:23:24 hehe Mar 13 19:23:28 PaulFert`, in minsk I really heard them [birds] Mar 13 19:23:28 so, wait 2-3 days Mar 13 19:23:56 max_posedon: ok :) Mar 13 19:24:30 hmm, what IP does the neo have over usbnet? >.>; Mar 13 19:24:40 192.168.0.202 Mar 13 19:24:41 192.168.0.202 Mar 13 19:24:46 thanks.:P Mar 13 19:24:50 max_posedon: Have you ever seen this theatre? http://www.svabodny.kantakt.net/history.htm Mar 13 19:25:30 I don't( Mar 13 19:25:55 * SeligArkin pokes it Mar 13 19:26:33 * SeligArkin pokes it repeatadly Mar 13 19:29:12 * SeligArkin pokes ubuntu to let her connect Mar 13 19:29:57 most importantly,I need a new keyboard program for this, I *hate* number typing Mar 13 19:32:01 SeligArkin: uSD image for flashing GSM does it fully automatically, no usbnet required. Mar 13 19:32:52 PaulFert`: uSD image? Mar 13 19:32:55 * SeligArkin stares blankly Mar 13 19:33:28 SeligArkin: how are you going to flash your GSM modem? Mar 13 19:33:45 I was focusing on getting the OS up to date first Mar 13 19:34:11 who's been the GTA01 user asking about Nokia-BL-5C bat compatibility? Mar 13 19:34:40 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r172afdb8cd53 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add SmartKeyFile.sectionsWithPrefix() Mar 13 19:34:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb6f41269f28b 10/libfsoframework/ (10 files in 2 dirs): start with subsystem class Mar 13 19:34:42 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8a984451cf42 10/libfsoframework/ (9 files in 3 dirs): add subsystem tests Mar 13 19:34:43 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra2907561ab9e 10/libfsoframework/ (10 files in 2 dirs): subsystem passes tests Mar 13 19:34:45 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r60315efee6e4 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): factory can return an empty string to indicate an initialization error Mar 13 19:34:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2ba3a0122904 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.gir fsoframework-2.0.vapi plugin.vala): revert exception change Mar 13 19:34:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r56a7c4d4f1d9 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): s/theMasterLogger/createLogger/g Mar 13 19:34:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rfa5049859cc5 10/fsodeviced/ (configure.ac src/bin/main.vala): fsodevice: check for vala; create subsystem, register, load, run mainloop Mar 13 19:34:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r287d49d623e2 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 5 dirs): fsodevice: add build infrastructure for first plugin Mar 13 19:35:01 Attack of the updates! Mar 13 19:35:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7f4bcb8463db 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsoframework: start with some logging Mar 13 19:35:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r70d966197874 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: smartkeyfile: add hasSection method Mar 13 19:35:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raf721d7041a9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: fsoframework: subsystem: an empty list is null Mar 13 19:35:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r5ef592a8df6e 10/libfsoframework/ (configure.ac fsoframework/subsystem.vala tests/Makefile.am): Mar 13 19:35:16 freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: get rid of MODULE_ARCH in module install path Mar 13 19:35:22 freesmartphone.org: This is making more problems than it solves... we don't need Mar 13 19:35:24 freesmartphone.org: to have multiple modules living in one path anyways... Mar 13 19:35:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r40475a9c9b68 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodevice: catch up with removing MODULE_ARCH Mar 13 19:35:29 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r20de790ea2f1 10/libfsoframework/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Mar 13 19:35:34 freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: plugin: the factory function can throw an error now Mar 13 19:35:36 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: This exposes an error in Vala or glib. Mar 13 19:35:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r01b545bcb6d1 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodevice: kernel26_leds: scan sysfs path and create instances Mar 13 19:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0d5d40ffcd42 10/libfsoframework/ (13 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: plugin: add subsystem parameter to factory method Mar 13 19:35:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r588c1814b1db 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodevice: kernel26_leds: led objects are getting registered Mar 13 19:35:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raa3e5270dc70 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (4 files): fsoframework: start interfaces file, containing service interface metadata Mar 13 19:35:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc46c5941b252 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: add workaround to get the valadbus interface working Mar 13 19:35:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re524af1ba316 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsoframework: kernel26: SetBrightness ok. Mar 13 19:36:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd8ff49a439b5 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (Makefile.am fsoframework-2.0.vapi utilities.vala): fsoframework: add utilties; pending tests! Mar 13 19:36:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r610e17d484b8 10/libfsoframework/tests/ (nocontent.txt testutilities.vala textfile.txt): fsoframework: add tests for utilities Mar 13 19:36:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb3914ae2af8f 10/libfsoframework/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Mar 13 19:36:13 freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: fixed factory delegate which was wrongly declared. Mar 13 19:36:15 freesmartphone.org: Unfortunately Vala can not warn you, if you cast a function symbol Mar 13 19:36:17 freesmartphone.org: to a delegate that has a different signature (static vs non-static), Mar 13 19:36:21 freesmartphone.org: so we have to be extra careful here. It works now :) Mar 13 19:36:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rde5e3917604f 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Mar 13 19:36:26 freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: logger: support setting a representation delegate for Mar 13 19:36:28 freesmartphone.org: the logger. The representation delegate has to return a string and Mar 13 19:36:30 freesmartphone.org: will be called for every logged message. This can slow down logging, Mar 13 19:36:34 freesmartphone.org: so use with care. Mar 13 19:36:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r527f8ef69ea3 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): sync Mar 13 19:36:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r95309f7f47fa 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: fix timeout reporting Mar 13 19:36:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rec6fe4fb7aef 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: strip " from response for +CPIN? (which some modems include in their reponse) Mar 13 19:36:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re6c36e917cc7 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Mar 13 19:36:49 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] fix bunch of problems Mar 13 19:36:51 freesmartphone.org: * catch up with unsolicited response parsing Mar 13 19:36:53 freesmartphone.org: * catch up with timeout changes Mar 13 19:36:57 freesmartphone.org: * change channel mapping to accomodate for +CMT on /dev/mux2 Mar 13 19:37:00 momomomomoMOOOONSTERCOMMITFLOOOOOD! Mar 13 19:37:01 freesmartphone.org: * fix incoming SMS parsing (needs a slightly different PDU format) Mar 13 19:37:03 freesmartphone.org: * fix roaming indication Mar 13 19:41:25 Wonka :p Mar 13 19:41:38 seligarkin, how goes? Mar 13 19:41:47 pretty good Mar 13 19:41:53 :) Mar 13 19:41:57 I found why it wasn't connecting to the GSM Mar 13 19:42:03 I forgot to tell it to connect. >.>; Mar 13 19:42:07 hah Mar 13 19:42:10 DocScrutinizer: 07-03-2009 15:28:06 < RedDog!n=reddog@mastersword.de: but i can't read the temp from gta02 battery using g Mar 13 19:42:10 lol Mar 13 19:42:13 ta01? Mar 13 19:42:16 fail. :( Mar 13 19:42:44 SeligArkin: are you still toying with 2007.x? Mar 13 19:43:02 PaulFert`: thanks :) Mar 13 19:43:21 :D Mar 13 19:43:21 PaulFert`: yeah Mar 13 19:43:47 DocScrutinizer: (that was on -cdevel) always welcome. BTW, what soft did you use to make htmls for N810 photos? Mar 13 19:43:51 SeligArkin: what for? Mar 13 19:44:19 anyway, GTA01 has ~10kR and BL-5C 80kR invariant on temp. Mar 13 19:44:50 PaulFert`: because I am still in the process of updating it? Mar 13 19:44:51 PaulFert`: digicam Mar 13 19:45:44 SeligArkin: updating 2007.x? Are you sure you understand what you're doing? Probably you should have spent time waiting for freerunner in some more smart way (like reading the wiki and mailing lists) :p Mar 13 19:46:02 :P Mar 13 19:46:06 (gta01 bat) so bl5c would appear to gta01 like a *very* cold gta01 bat Mar 13 19:47:09 Total n00b q: I can't find ot the wiki or ML the way to figure out which version of OM i'm running. Is there a simple 1 liner to do that? Mar 13 19:47:52 zwarg: just install the version you want to run and be sure ;) Mar 13 19:47:59 ha Mar 13 19:49:28 PaulFert`: digiKam to be correct Mar 13 19:49:33 have someone installed lastest tangogps? Mar 13 19:49:50 DocScrutinizer: aha, that makes more sense :) Mar 13 19:49:52 i want to ask, if you have also problems with editing of repository place Mar 13 19:50:09 just click config - edit repo - save (crash) Mar 13 19:51:30 eten eten eten Mar 13 19:51:37 Dave: !! Mar 13 19:51:43 /o\ Mar 13 19:51:55 \m/ Mar 13 19:52:11 Dave: you soming to shrcon? Mar 13 19:52:22 s/s/c Mar 13 19:55:49 wtf? :P Mar 13 19:56:00 where, taiwan? china? Mar 13 19:56:04 :p Mar 13 19:56:04 Dave: shrcon!! Mar 13 19:56:07 http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/pipermail/shr-devel/2009-March/001185.html Mar 13 19:56:22 hmm Mar 13 19:56:41 dunno, i think europe somewhere Mar 13 19:57:09 Braunschweig... sounds like some good sausage and beer? Mar 13 19:57:26 maybe served on a sword... Mar 13 19:58:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r6435a9a081b2 10/NEWS: initial commit of my vacation work Mar 13 19:59:31 brunswick? Mar 13 20:04:38 ok... I feel like an idiot.. Mar 13 20:04:47 europe? boo Mar 13 20:04:53 where should have an american one Mar 13 20:17:41 hi all Mar 13 20:52:46 good Mar 13 21:22:09 if I create 2 partitions should I change the type of the first partition to fat32 or fat16? Mar 13 21:23:35 no, usually not Mar 13 21:24:37 huh? what else? Mar 13 21:24:45 only formatting to vfat? Mar 13 21:36:45 bah. stupid AT&T... that & in their name is preventing me from reading the text message they sent with my new account PIN :-P Mar 13 21:44:07 Hmm.. I think I need to update uboot Mar 13 21:44:18 It's sitting there saying "Openmoko" and not doing anything Mar 13 21:48:42 anybody have any ideas how to view SMS messages the phone has received from the command line Mar 13 21:51:29 where is the phonelog in shr? Mar 13 21:52:41 on the desktop? Mar 13 21:53:40 tomboy64: umm, no, unless it gets deleted everytime you reboot or something Mar 13 21:53:56 testing? Mar 13 21:54:06 unstable Mar 13 21:54:17 check /usr/share/applications Mar 13 21:54:26 or just run phonelog.py Mar 13 21:54:31 (i think) Mar 13 21:55:57 tomboy64: sweet, thanks man Mar 13 22:06:54 grrr. that's so freakin dumb! how do you get at an SMS message if openmoko-messages can't display it? :-P Mar 13 22:08:32 put sim into a different phone that can? :-P Mar 13 22:09:06 .... is the message associated with the SIM or the Phone? Mar 13 22:10:00 afaik it's stored in sim Mar 13 22:11:40 well sadly all I have here is freerunners so I doubt I'm going to get much mielage Mar 13 22:12:26 SM2k: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_SMS (probably out of date, but may have some useful info) Mar 13 22:12:54 right I was just re-looking at that, given dent's assertion that the SMS was in the SIM chip Mar 13 22:13:42 if you're running SHR/FSO, seems the iwki page won't help much Mar 13 22:13:57 in SHR/FSO, this should be doable via http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Mar 13 22:14:19 s/should/might/ Mar 13 22:14:20 dent meant: in SHR/FSO, this might be doable via http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus Mar 13 22:16:24 ... I think I borkeded something Mar 13 22:16:56 SeligArkin: what did you do.. :)? Mar 13 22:16:59 * SeligArkin pokes usbnet Mar 13 22:17:04 its not connecting Mar 13 22:17:54 I can't ping it... Mar 13 22:27:48 whoo Mar 13 22:27:50 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessage 0 Mar 13 22:27:56 thanks for the pointers guys Mar 13 22:28:03 ... Mar 13 22:28:22 SeligArkin: as they say *nothing* about these phones is easy :-) Mar 13 22:29:38 hmm, well I am kinda stuck here. Mar 13 22:29:48 SeligArkin: did you already flash it? Mar 13 22:29:52 yep Mar 13 22:29:59 2008.12 or SHR? Mar 13 22:30:06 2008.12 Mar 13 22:30:21 'key Mar 13 22:30:40 and usbnet is notworking... Mar 13 22:31:00 * SeligArkin considers Mar 13 22:31:47 did you restart it once after flashing? Mar 13 22:32:13 :O Mar 13 22:32:17 * Dave hands out free sandwiches Mar 13 22:33:27 rhkfin: 7es, I am not that stupid. :P Mar 13 22:33:33 * SeligArkin noms the sammich Mar 13 22:34:28 * SeligArkin pokes the thing Mar 13 22:34:32 :D Mar 13 22:34:45 SeligArkin: I mean flash -> start -> usb doesn't work -> restart -> usb works? Mar 13 22:34:53 oh Mar 13 22:35:13 I think I am going to disable the graphical boot Mar 13 22:35:21 I like watching the text zoom by., Mar 13 22:35:50 First start makes some config things so dropbear doesn't start before restarting (and there's no way to start it manually :) Mar 13 22:36:09 grr Mar 13 22:36:22 I keep getting stuck at this screen with "openmoko" on it Mar 13 22:36:35 I think I need to update u-boot also Mar 13 22:36:59 SeligArkin: so did I, before I installed Qi instead of uboot (and before that I always started with AUX+POWER..) Mar 13 22:37:43 hmm Mar 13 22:37:56 * SeligArkin looks into Qo Mar 13 22:37:57 Qi Mar 13 22:41:58 Qiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Mar 13 23:22:20 I started a browser review page in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Browser_review Mar 13 23:23:14 AFAIK there are no ~good browsers for OM, they all lack something important so maybe this helps to find the one that has the most potential to be developed.. Mar 13 23:27:55 Interesting Mar 13 23:28:09 root@om-gta02:~# wpa_cli status Mar 13 23:28:10 Selected interface 'eth0' Mar 13 23:28:10 FAIL Mar 13 23:28:32 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.GetResourceState WiFi Mar 13 23:28:32 False Mar 13 23:28:45 * SeligArkin is trying to get a similar setup for wpa_supplicant as she has for her laptop Mar 13 23:28:59 interesting that dbus shows that as "off" but /proc/net/wireless shows eth0 as having wireless capabilities Mar 13 23:29:25 I like that I can use /etc/network/interfaces to make different profiles for each point Mar 13 23:29:49 eg,I have my laptop claiom the IP of 192.168.1.3 when I am at home,but use dhcp at tech Mar 13 23:36:00 what device is the wifi in the neo freerunner? Mar 13 23:36:13 i understand it is eth0 but I am getting errors from that Mar 13 23:37:38 should be it Mar 13 23:38:29 hmm Mar 13 23:38:56 ... Mar 13 23:39:05 now it can't read wpa_supplicant.conf Mar 13 23:39:27 * SeligArkin pokes it Mar 13 23:45:20 if eth0 is wifi whats eth1? Mar 13 23:50:28 * SeligArkin boggles Mar 13 23:55:06 ... WTF Mar 13 23:55:25 why the frak can't you find /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.cong Mar 13 23:55:33 s/cong/conf/ Mar 13 23:55:33 SeligArkin meant: why the frak can't you find /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Mar 13 23:55:34 Congratulations, SeligArkin, you are now truely an Openomko user Mar 13 23:55:43 ITS rIGHT THERE! Mar 13 23:55:59 I Can cat it! Mar 13 23:57:35 ... Mar 13 23:58:15 * SeligArkin stabs it Mar 13 23:59:01 wpa_cli stat Mar 13 23:59:02 SeligArkin: the favourite OM user command is strace (hint-hint) ;) Mar 13 23:59:04 wrong window Mar 13 23:59:50 ... Mar 14 00:00:20 ...... How... how can this be *that* broken... Mar 14 00:00:54 SeligArkin: are you using any reasonably recent kernel btw? Because wifi in .24 works significantly worse than .28 and .29. Mar 14 00:01:21 theres the problem Mar 14 00:01:44 SeligArkin: you're wrong. There're lots of problems with OM ;) Mar 14 00:02:10 I installed 2008.12 maybe I should not have... Mar 14 00:02:56 SeligArkin: it's unsupported and doesn't seem to have any future. It's basically Qtopia ported to X and it doesn't look like community has much interest in it. Mar 14 00:03:07 hmm Mar 14 00:03:08 Doesn't matter what you install. You just end up with different manifestations of the fundamental brokenness. Mar 14 00:04:19 It's like looking into the dark -- doesn't matter which pair of glasses you use, it's still pretty much dark. Mar 14 00:04:30 depressing... Mar 14 00:04:47 mwester: btw, i was just practicing for 2-3 hours the smt rework on some old hdd board. ;) Mar 14 00:05:07 "There is no dark side of the moon, really... As a matter of fact, its _all_ dark" Mar 14 00:05:13 Pink Floyd Mar 14 00:05:42 SeligArkin: you're only at the "beginner" stages of brokenness. Eventually you'll be hitting stuff like http://www.pastebin.ca/1360310 Mar 14 00:05:48 SeligArkin: still newer software versions have workarounds that make it usable for many people. Mar 14 00:06:35 mmontour: what kernel version is that? Mar 14 00:07:09 recent andy-tracking... Mar 14 00:08:50 mmontour: hm, i hope Werner will fix it really soon if it's reproducible. Mar 14 00:08:50 SeligArkin: shr looks promising though Mar 14 00:08:55 mmontour, very funny links, thanks, you make me happy) Mar 14 00:09:55 Looks like 1e257a0e99817a338e3706708ebb5036518e46d8. I just hit it (and now I can't ping my FR), but I'll try to reproduce it later tonight and file a proper report Mar 14 00:10:03 * SeligArkin gets the rootfs and kernel for shr Mar 14 00:10:18 I get the distinct feeling I will be mucking around with low-level stuff on this Mar 14 00:10:19 SeligArkin: and don't forget to try Debian too ;) Mar 14 00:11:10 SeligArkin: have a debian/hackable1 on the uSD card Mar 14 00:11:24 I was playing around with g_file_storage instead of the g_ether module, so this probably isn't something that will affect a lot of users. 'ifconfig eth0' worked OK earlier on this kernel. Mar 14 00:11:32 SeligArkin: in case you're feeling adventurous, go SHR unstable. You'll always have the most recent FSO framework and will be able to follow the development ;) Mar 14 00:12:05 well its offical, my old phone is bricked, soI think I might have some motivation to make this work out. :P Mar 14 00:13:46 * mwester predicts that a gta02 will soon end up thrown against the wall in frustration after the owner misses the n'th phone call because of a malfunction, and her freinds vow never to call again because of the horrible buzz. Mar 14 00:15:21 is the buzz able to be heard on both ends? Mar 14 00:15:51 * PaulFert` hopes SeligArkin's friends are more tolerant and will try to understand why she is using a phone with issues. Mar 14 00:16:02 SeligArkin: only on the other side, you'll never hear it. Mar 14 00:16:07 ah Mar 14 00:16:23 SeligArkin: also it depends on the transmit power and frequency. Mar 14 00:18:30 my friends don't complain about it. they're probably used to going "WHAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY?" for the whole phone call with me Mar 14 00:19:59 GSM buzz is not an Openmoko-only problem. I sometimes hear it from my friend's Motorola Razr Mar 14 00:20:59 Bane^: it looks like the guys who prepared alsa state files were too afraid to properly feed the mic signal to calypso (so AGC kicks in) because they were trying to avoid echo. As now we more or less know how to solve echo problems in a more acceptable way, it's probably worth trying to tweak alsa controls to provide a stronger mic signal. Mar 14 00:24:52 I think I am going to put debian on it.. Mar 14 00:26:06 * SeligArkin dies laughing Mar 14 00:26:13 If you think the previous options are quite slow on Freerunner try Links2. Mar 14 00:26:17 SeligArkin: what is your plan wrt buzz fix? Mar 14 00:26:34 PaulFert`: depends how bad my friends and family say it is Mar 14 00:26:45 PaulFert`: how complex is the 'fix'? Mar 14 00:27:25 cause I can't sauder for shit. :P Mar 14 00:27:35 SeligArkin: but it depends on where you're apparently. You might be happy until you go to some special place where it will suddenly become so horrible you won't be able to talk. Mar 14 00:28:02 on the used gsm frequency, apparently Mar 14 00:28:33 SeligArkin: replace one 0402 R (in an "easy" place) and add one really big cap (easy). Judge for yourself. Mar 14 00:28:43 mjr: that too, sure. Mar 14 00:29:29 SeligArkin: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Mar 14 00:30:04 PaulFert`: I make balls of the melting material atleast a centimeter big whenever I try to do it. :P Mar 14 00:30:12 (The word escapes me) Mar 14 00:30:33 hardware is not my thing. >.> Mar 14 00:30:35 SeligArkin: a cm big? An unusual ability, i'd say ;) Mar 14 00:31:41 a rather useless one if going into electronics Mar 14 00:31:48 which is why I backed off back into hardware Mar 14 00:31:53 erm Mar 14 00:31:58 software Mar 14 00:32:36 so does debian need 1.5GB of space, also? :P Mar 14 00:32:42 That's gentoo's requirements Mar 14 00:32:49 nope Mar 14 00:33:14 Last I checked it (barely) installed on the half-gigger. You do want more though. Mar 14 00:33:16 SeligArkin: you found out about version of your new phone by now? Mar 14 00:33:35 DocScrutinizer: is there a software way to check? Mar 14 00:33:46 not really Mar 14 00:33:51 or is it somewhere where i don't have to rip the phone apart? Mar 14 00:34:10 hmm Mar 14 00:34:39 you had to open two screws and lift a lid at least Mar 14 00:34:51 ah i don't have that kind of screw-driver Mar 14 00:35:20 SeligArkin: at least you should do cat /proc/cpuinfo first Mar 14 00:35:38 yeah it's not that common in not so phone-afine households Mar 14 00:35:39 SeligArkin: so you'll know an approximation of version (Revision:) Mar 14 00:36:12 SeligArkin: i carefully used a regular flat screwdriver to open my FR. Mar 14 00:36:39 duh, amazing Mar 14 00:37:11 SeligArkin: also try cat /sys/bus/platform/drivers/neo1973-version/neo1973-version.0/pcb Mar 14 00:37:24 maybe you incidentally found one that *exactly* matched the diameter of the torx star Mar 14 00:38:47 * DocScrutinizer wonders if at least debubo comes with tx6-driver Mar 14 00:39:19 DocScrutinizer: at least it worth trying in case you're careful even if there's no exact match. I doubt one can accidently damage a screw with a flat screwdriver so badly it'll be hard to use a proper torx after that. Mar 14 00:39:42 yup Mar 14 00:40:14 ermmm Mar 14 00:40:39 will I be able to cat that from debian, PaulFert`? Mar 14 00:40:41 SeligArkin: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision Mar 14 00:40:49 SeligArkin: from whatever Mar 14 00:41:04 anyway a flat driver with a 1.2mm blade isn't whats commonly called a "standard" one ;) Mar 14 00:42:00 Agree. Probably the one i used was with badly overused sides Mar 14 00:42:03 sudo? ;D Mar 14 00:42:43 nah, cpuinfo is 444 Mar 14 00:42:50 k Mar 14 00:43:49 hmm, why can i only start the phone when the usb is pluged in... Mar 14 00:44:44 SeligArkin: low battery? Mar 14 00:45:08 revision 0360 Mar 14 00:45:10 no battery? Mar 14 00:45:11 heh Mar 14 00:45:22 bad battery? Mar 14 00:45:25 ... DOH Mar 14 00:45:32 I could have sworn I put the battery back in! Mar 14 00:45:38 Fail. :( Mar 14 00:46:09 ??? Mar 14 00:46:19 * mmontour had a GTA01 battery go bad - it puffed up so much that it wouldn't fit in the phone any more Mar 14 00:46:40 I've heard that a few people have had the puffy-battery-syndrome Mar 14 00:47:01 interesting... "the qpe process vanished. This is bad" Mar 14 00:47:13 yes, it is bad. :-) Mar 14 00:47:34 I love when programs tell you bad news with some humor Mar 14 00:47:52 be better if they told you what to do about it! :D Mar 14 00:48:01 SeligArkin: qtopia-derived distro detected. This is bad :p Mar 14 00:48:08 yeah... Mar 14 00:48:16 * SeligArkin kills it for debian Mar 14 00:48:21 Yay Mar 14 00:48:22 lol Mar 14 00:48:36 whats the worse that can- *ZZZZZZZRRRRRRRTT* Mar 14 00:48:38 Oh shi... Mar 14 00:49:20 Mar 14 00:55:50 DocScrutinizer: btw, have you tried to do some tests to find proper alsa mixer settings so calypso's AGC will work as expected? Mar 14 00:56:07 nope Mar 14 00:56:19 Are you going to? ;) Mar 14 00:56:31 maybe Mar 14 00:57:21 costs a lot of calling minutes that noone will pay for :-/ Mar 14 00:57:36 openmoko community do all kike maths people, if task have a solution, and all know that solution is present Mar 14 00:57:38 Yep :( Mar 14 00:57:46 nobody wants solve it) Mar 14 00:57:54 *like* Mar 14 00:57:55 max_posedon_++ Mar 14 00:58:17 max_posedon_: i sometimes really feel exactly like that Mar 14 01:02:30 DocScrutinizer: calls from the fixed line to mobile cost ~0.05$ here, so i can do some tests. I just want to do it properly, and don't know how yet. Mar 14 01:03:04 I'll think about it Mar 14 01:07:30 DocScrutinizer: another approach is to try to understand what kind of signal calypso expects as an input and tune the mixer accordingly (looks like there's no TP even for MICIP, MICIN! One can solder to C301[81] instead, but still...) Mar 14 01:10:28 * SeligArkin does a little dance Mar 14 01:15:25 Oh, well. Sleep time for me (again). Enjoy the weekend, see you :) Mar 14 01:16:44 Its ammazing how hopeless you are without the internets Mar 14 01:17:07 I am? Mar 14 01:17:10 Well, yes, I am. Mar 14 01:17:46 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mar 14 01:18:26 bacon! Mar 14 01:29:33 ok, how do I let the freerunner use my laptop as a router... Mar 14 02:05:45 HAHA! Mar 14 02:05:52 Take that wpa_supplicant! Mar 14 02:05:59 I learned how to do it on my oen! Mar 14 02:06:06 now, for the bacon! Mar 14 02:06:10 how come gtick terminates on me at opkg? Mar 14 02:06:40 post it for us on paste.bin Mar 14 02:07:27 I just did iwconfig eth0 essid "theEssid"; dhclient eth0 Mar 14 02:07:40 and, that made the button get pressed, which gave me BACON Mar 14 02:14:33 interesting Mar 14 02:34:02 SeligArkin: what? Mar 14 02:35:35 fredrin: I am having trouble getting the phone to connect to the outside world Mar 14 02:35:42 I thought I had it... but it was a lie Mar 14 02:36:04 SeligArkin: have you setup usb-networking on your laptop computer? Mar 14 02:36:25 cat /etc/resolv.conf Mar 14 02:36:57 sometimes its problems with dns Mar 14 02:38:31 nope, can't even ping outside the network Mar 14 02:45:40 SeligArkin: what can you ping? Mar 14 02:46:06 what does /etc/network/interfaces look like on your laptop? Mar 14 02:46:45 I had the usb0 thing they sugest, but it was killing my laptop somehw Mar 14 02:52:39 * SeligArkin tries adding it again Mar 14 02:53:08 many diffrent version to do the usb0 thingy Mar 14 02:53:17 depending on distro and how you want it Mar 14 02:53:49 teh joy of open source and choices Mar 14 02:59:56 grrrr **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 14 02:59:57 2009