**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 21 02:59:57 2009 Mar 21 04:05:36 what distro would everyone use for the Neo with main use case: recording gps traces? Mar 21 04:06:07 (i'll need a terminal also, with the ability to type into) Mar 21 04:34:54 <|Marco|> I'll probably get shot down with a flak-cannon for this wuastion; is the 2007.2 image (or tar.gz preferably) accessable anywhere on the net? I'd like to jump back to it and fiddle arround a bit. I've got shr-testing, everything works. but I'd like to see what I can do with the old 2007.2 image Mar 21 04:39:32 <|Marco|> balrog-kun: if you're still online, i'd suggest shr-testing, it's stable enough for tracking, and the terminal emu that follows with pr default is just fine :) Mar 21 04:40:37 Actually, yeah, I was going to say, I did just that, for months, with 2007.2 Mar 21 04:40:39 Worked fine. Mar 21 04:41:05 Granted it was slow, and unflattering in terms of appearance, but worked great for what we needed. Mar 21 04:44:10 <|Marco|> Dave: where can I get my fingers on a 2007.2 image? Mar 21 04:45:14 I think OM burned them all due to copyright issues. Mar 21 04:45:24 A few of us still have them though :) Mar 21 04:46:04 <|Marco|> yeah, that's what I am hoping fore :| Mar 21 04:46:07 Since I do not believe any "sanitized" images were ever 'rereleased' Mar 21 04:46:15 <|Marco|> hehehe Mar 21 04:46:17 I know I have a bunch of random versions Mar 21 04:47:32 <|Marco|> um, could you put one or more of them in an accessable spot? Mar 21 04:48:15 I'd first check some of the unofficial repos on the wiki page for repos and see if any live there Mar 21 04:48:23 barring that I'm sure some of us could post them. Mar 21 04:48:41 I know a few of us have thrown images up on our personal webservers from time to time. Mar 21 04:49:13 <|Marco|> that's what I was hoping for :) Mar 21 04:49:38 <|Marco|> I'm most intrested in an tar.gz version if that ever existed Mar 21 05:08:10 Marco, there's the .bin and .jffs2 files Mar 21 05:15:00 hah, Speaking of which... Mar 21 05:15:04 Hello Cervajz :) Mar 21 05:15:34 Dave: Hello, Dave :) Mar 21 05:15:53 Do you still have that homeftp server up with OM images? Mar 21 05:16:25 Dave: well, I have my own server (not in my home, but in server-housing] Mar 21 05:16:32 But now without OM images Mar 21 05:16:44 oh, okay Mar 21 05:16:51 Dave: Cause, It's not nccessary for now :) Mar 21 05:16:57 I just recall you having a few of the older OM images a while back Mar 21 05:17:02 I guess you removed them ;) Mar 21 05:17:39 Dave: I have still old images, but on my Desktop Mar 21 05:18:30 Oh okay :D Mar 21 05:18:41 We were looking for people who had some of the old images :) Mar 21 05:19:44 Dave: What exactly images do you need< Mar 21 05:19:45 ? Mar 21 05:20:04 Uhh, any chance you have 2007? Mar 21 05:20:27 Dave: I got it :) Mar 21 05:20:37 2007.2 Mar 21 05:20:52 Yay! Mar 21 05:21:00 |Marco| here was looking for it I believe Mar 21 05:21:11 Would you be able to share with us? :) Mar 21 05:22:28 Dave: No problem, but now I'm abroad (bussiness trip), and I will go home after 15 days :( Mar 21 05:22:36 Oh :\ Mar 21 05:22:38 crap Mar 21 05:23:22 Dave: Yes, and there is crap internet connection, so I can't copy it to server Mar 21 05:24:10 Cervajz: what's the exact name of the ffiles? Mar 21 05:24:39 DocScrutinizer: openmoko-celtune-monster-image-glibc-ipk--20080924-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Mar 21 05:24:54 DocScrutinizer: uImage-2.6.24+r8+gitr968c41d0c32099d78927849a71e2ef3143cc05e7-r8-om-gta02.bin Mar 21 05:25:12 thanx Mar 21 05:25:15 I know I have a few myself, but they're in the lab, and I don't have my remote login handy Mar 21 05:26:54 20080924-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 hmmm Mar 21 05:27:58 sorry can't locate those files anywhere Mar 21 05:28:23 I'll just host mine tomorrow. Mar 21 05:28:37 I just hope it's not illegal for me to link them on the wiki :D Mar 21 06:02:25 Yo Marco, are you still here? Mar 21 06:04:02 Yo Polo, nope not still here. Mar 21 06:04:12 haha, shush Jon :P Mar 21 06:04:25 * Dave crams a sandwich in DaMaestro's mouth Mar 21 06:04:41 * Dave wins Mar 21 06:04:45 FOODALITY! Mar 21 06:04:47 yummy ftw Mar 21 06:05:06 i do have to figure out dinner, but it's already 12am Mar 21 06:05:08 blahrg Mar 21 06:05:40 haha yeah Mar 21 06:08:57 breakfast time then Mar 21 06:19:37 What's for breakfast, Wester? Mar 21 06:20:58 at this time of morning, I'm told it is usually worms. Mar 21 06:21:17 That's one of the reasons I don't get up early. Mar 21 06:22:29 gross Mar 21 06:22:33 heh Mar 21 06:22:43 Early bird gets the worm, or in this case, the bugreport. Mar 21 06:22:44 :) Mar 21 06:28:14 arggggg, this gprs is buggering me Mar 21 06:43:31 sweet, i got it working Mar 21 06:43:54 now we just need a "gprs" in the topshelf Mar 21 06:51:23 hmm, not too bad. 5-6Kb/s Mar 21 07:04:42 is there a brightness control for the freerunner backlight? Mar 21 07:11:27 ahh, sweet. echo N > /sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl/brightness where N is 0-255 Mar 21 07:31:57 * Dave pokes |Marco| Mar 21 08:29:52 Digital_Pioneer: i guess you need to start frameworkd from command line (to see its output) and to look carefully through frameworkd log for any oddities. If it looks like everything is correct (audio states loading, no tracebacks, etc), you can probably have more success with another model of bt headset. Mar 21 09:22:11 Hey, anybody here knows anything about fyp "distro"? What are they trying to do and why? Mar 21 09:48:33 hi, is here anybody who have lxde and debian? no fyp Mar 21 09:48:55 on fr of course Mar 21 09:49:26 Linkas: you might want to ask that in #openmoko-debian Mar 21 09:49:45 henk: good idea Mar 21 12:09:52 freesmartphone.org: 03fercerpav 07framework * r4ef7e0717e87 10/framework/subsystems/ophoned/headset.py: ophoned: Retain compatibility with Python 2.5 Mar 21 12:12:08 ahoi Mar 21 12:30:33 <|Marco|> Dave: now I am Mar 21 12:51:29 <|Marco|> hm, I'd like to modifye the shr illume theme just a little, how on earth do I get to the non compiled files ? Mar 21 13:25:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rdd3f47b4bc5a 10/.gitignore: .gitignore++ Mar 21 13:28:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r581313bab21d 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:28:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-monitord * rffbfc134134f 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:28:55 Hi all Mar 21 13:29:12 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * re2c1f4df193c 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:30:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07zhone * r3c2f52631d6a 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:31:12 ohai animist Mar 21 13:31:26 I have a question about FreeRunner purchase in Munich. I would like to buy it and pay cash. Could anyone recommend me a store? Mar 21 13:32:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r513184582894 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:33:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rd8d16d3344ef 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:34:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r2c775e0b1ae6 10/.gitignore: add *.o Mar 21 13:34:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r355d40cf3e6a 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:36:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * r6156550b00d0 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 13:36:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * r831b1b0bc027 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Mar 21 14:18:05 Marco :P Mar 21 14:22:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0c713cc705ea 10/examples/library/ (Makefile.am mainloops.vala): start with mainloops weaving example Mar 21 14:26:30 hi Mar 21 14:26:34 dent :P Mar 21 14:26:42 Dave! Mar 21 14:26:48 :) Mar 21 14:26:58 I'm trying to use my FR as mass storage Mar 21 14:27:03 * |Marco| pokes Dave Mar 21 14:27:04 following the wiki Mar 21 14:27:06 <|Marco|> mooohahaha Mar 21 14:28:04 hehe Mar 21 14:28:15 Yes, it's me! Mar 21 14:28:20 <|Marco|> eeeek Mar 21 14:28:35 So Marco, I found an old version of 2007 last night Mar 21 14:28:46 <|Marco|> ooh? where ? Mar 21 14:29:00 Uhh on one of my home computers :P Mar 21 14:29:10 <|Marco|> Dave: :P Mar 21 14:29:20 Would you like it? Mar 21 14:30:10 I modprobe g_file_storage, but on PC I get: http://zub.lamer.la/dmesg.log Mar 21 14:30:29 i.e. it eects something, but... then chokes somehow, as I dont get/dev/sdb Mar 21 14:30:57 does mass storage work for anyone here? Mar 21 14:32:19 <|Marco|> Dave: yeah, do you have jffs2 and/or tar.gz ? Mar 21 14:35:24 yeah one sec Mar 21 14:58:34 Sorry Marco, was cleaning up one of my servers :P Mar 21 14:58:44 DAVE ! Mar 21 14:59:04 Dave: don't you have a tab key Mar 21 14:59:04 ? Mar 21 14:59:05 lol Mar 21 14:59:32 NoTab4U! Mar 21 14:59:38 Virus Virus Virus Mar 21 14:59:47 lol Mar 21 15:00:56 Man, I totally need to lay off the mushrooms and/or badgers. Mar 21 15:05:32 * raster hands dave some weeds instead Mar 21 15:06:36 -oy- Mar 21 15:07:18 * SpeedEvil ponders how to advertise his free freerunner buzz rework, with free health plan. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=103102840187268825196.0004538c812787823283d&ll=56.216987,-3.11221&spn=0.000828,0.002154&t=h&z=19 Move 20 tons of gravel onto the shaded red areas (I provide the gravel) and I spend half an hour inside doing soldering. Mar 21 15:09:18 hah Mar 21 15:11:08 SpeedEvil: :DD Mar 21 15:44:33 wheres the good stuff Mar 21 15:44:34 <|Marco|> what the *bleep* is "Invalid Magic" suposed to mean ? Mar 21 15:45:00 bad magic Mar 21 15:45:22 quite the error message isnt it Mar 21 15:45:36 <|Marco|> yeah, reeeeally informative Mar 21 15:45:59 it part of the overall problem here Mar 21 15:46:31 magic... number Mar 21 15:46:58 ie "the special number/pattern that denotes somethnig is what it claims to be or is being used for is right" Mar 21 15:47:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming) Mar 21 15:48:37 Mmm... Magic numbers... Mar 21 15:48:43 The bane of all game programming ;) Mar 21 15:51:24 nice highlight there Mar 21 15:51:42 SpeedEvil: Heh. "Break your back, have your neo fixed" o_O Mar 21 16:01:18 |Marco|: context? Mar 21 16:02:31 retracile :o Mar 21 16:02:47 Hey Dave :) Mar 21 16:03:17 Greetings :) Mar 21 16:11:05 <|Marco|> mwester: trying to install a few packages from opkg.org Mar 21 16:11:19 Good luck! :D Mar 21 16:11:53 <|Marco|> hehehe Mar 21 16:12:24 <|Marco|> most go well, but there are some that spout "Terminated, Invalid Magic" and so on.. Mar 21 16:12:42 weird Mar 21 16:12:48 bad juju? Mar 21 16:12:53 <|Marco|> juju ? Mar 21 16:16:18 dent: (mass storage) try adding a "stall=0" module parameter. I need this for it to work properly on my system Mar 21 16:17:34 Oh, did you ever get that working last night? :D Mar 21 16:26:31 I've updated the wiki. Dave, I got usb-storage mostly working last week except that I wasn't able to package it as an initramfs Mar 21 16:27:39 boot off USBfs? Mar 21 16:28:07 Export the FR's microSD card to a PC as a USB storage device Mar 21 16:28:23 why initramfs matter? Mar 21 16:29:58 It's not necessary, just cleaner packaging. Right now I have a kernel + minimal rootfs that I flash to NAND. It would be simpler if I could have just one file of kernel + appended initramfs Mar 21 16:30:32 awesome! Mar 21 16:30:42 Thanks for the update mmontour, it definitely needed it. Mar 21 16:30:51 I'm going to go look it over myself now Mar 21 16:31:04 Werner was doing something similar (look at "smallsys" under his directory in OM SVN) but I couldn't get it to work right for me Mar 21 16:31:54 Dave: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005135.html Mar 21 16:31:58 ah - right Mar 21 16:32:12 Ah! Danke Mar 21 16:33:10 The other thing I changed on the wiki page was exporting the whole mmcblk0 device rather than just mmcblk0p1. This allows you to repartition the uSD card from the PC Mar 21 16:33:49 So now I never need to open the uSD holder in my FR again, until I install a 16G card Mar 21 16:35:46 haha nice Mar 21 16:35:56 yeah, I was always faced with that unfavorable prospect Mar 21 16:38:23 could someone give me a quick output of your dmesg when you plug a usb-cable into your fr? Mar 21 16:38:28 dmesg on the fr, that is Mar 21 16:38:44 A cable alone won't do anything Mar 21 16:38:59 :) Mar 21 16:39:00 i know Mar 21 16:39:09 well it will Mar 21 16:39:21 the kernel will register the cdc-device Mar 21 16:39:37 but i need the exact output what is needed for networking Mar 21 16:39:50 cause i have usbnet and g_ether both compiled in Mar 21 16:39:55 and it won't work Mar 21 16:40:28 Mmontour, yeah, and it always use to piss me off that I even after I removed the µSD card, transferred what I needed and then replaced it, it would't remount. What a pain those days were... Mar 21 16:40:31 i only get g_ether gagdget: full speed config #1: cdc ethernet ecm Mar 21 16:40:32 but no more! :D Mar 21 16:47:49 mmontour: (16GB) how long will we have to wait until that'll going to happen? Mar 21 16:47:56 :)) Mar 21 16:49:02 Until the local price drops a bit more, or I fill up my 8G, whichever comes first Mar 21 16:49:56 mmontour: I'll toss you some cool download links then ;-) Mar 21 16:50:50 * DocScrutinizer wasn't lucky to find any 16-uSD in any local store Mar 21 16:51:06 aw Mar 21 16:51:31 Hmm, there's a 16G for CAD$65 now. Last time I looked there was only a $95 one Mar 21 16:51:43 ouch :p Mar 21 16:51:49 I'm glad I didn't have to pay for mine ;) Mar 21 16:52:26 Only class 2 though. Mar 21 16:52:40 hmm Mar 21 16:54:30 * DocScrutinizer seems to remember some research regarding uSD-class impact on transfer speed on FR. Wasn't glamo bus maxed out at class2 speed even? Mar 21 16:54:48 * mwester thinks DocScrutinizer is exactly right Mar 21 16:54:58 (just re-running my benchmark...) Mar 21 16:55:03 16MHz max transfer rate with Glamo Mar 21 16:55:22 2 MHz (!) max if the GPS is turned on!!! Mar 21 16:55:33 hehe Mar 21 16:55:48 On a 16MiB file I get 1.6 MiB writing, 2.4 MiB/s reading Mar 21 16:57:13 mwester: no 10pF next uSD-holder ?? Mar 21 16:57:59 haha Mar 21 16:58:12 bigger cap! Mar 21 16:58:15 ;D Mar 21 16:58:49 Dave: wtf?? Mar 21 16:59:00 What? :P Mar 21 16:59:48 * DocScrutinizer pictures Dave soldering a 100uF to sdclk Mar 21 17:00:27 Basically the same speeds for a 256MiB file - 1.7 write, 2.3 read Mar 21 17:02:14 So I guess the question is whether a "class 2" will be any slower during the time that it's actually talking to the glamo, or whether it just means that it's taking more time internally to process the writes Mar 21 17:04:29 DocScrutinizer: it's a kernel parameter turned on by default. Slow down clock if gps is on. Mar 21 17:05:50 PaulFertser: I know ;) Thought it's possible to turn off if you got the 10pF-hw-gps-fix Mar 21 17:06:10 I tried a 20pF cap Mar 21 17:06:12 DocScrutinizer: for some unknown reason nobody's tried it (or reported). Mar 21 17:06:27 strange Mar 21 17:08:43 PaulFertser: still I'm not aware of reducing *speed* for sdclk for gps' sake. wasn't that just tweaking drivepower and stopping clk al together when idle only? Mar 21 17:10:19 DocScrutinizer: driver source says otherwise, so does mwester :) Mar 21 17:10:38 Dave: might work. though I seem to remember it's not as effective as a 10pF Mar 21 17:11:16 DocScrutinizer: glamo_mci.sd_slow_ratio=8 Mar 21 17:11:42 * DocScrutinizer is puzzled Mar 21 17:18:01 * DocScrutinizer even thinks reducing sdclk speed doesn't help much for gps. might actually be worse in the end, as transfer duration increases while noise is reduced 9dB *max* (if at all as edge shape remains the same) Mar 21 17:20:37 9dB is significant Mar 21 17:20:45 But your point is taken. Mar 21 17:21:24 also - if the cock is just right, the output spectrum may miss GPS entirely. Mar 21 17:21:35 I don't think it can be set that accurately though Mar 21 17:21:36 as clk should be stopped during sd idle, increasing time where clk is active during transfer may be a bad idea. and tweaking drivepower sure is more effective than reducing number of edges on clk per sec Mar 21 17:21:43 Probably with the glamo, decreasing drive power to the sdclk, and slowing the clock to compensate for the reduced sharpness of the edge, would be a better solution Mar 21 17:21:47 Commit c3a78e6ea03689bc097ed449c9ae2597d94f3277, Andy Green Wed Nov 19, use-gta02-glamo-mci-sd-dynamic-clock.patch Mar 21 17:22:42 mwester: But it only slows down the clock when gps is powered on. The drive strength remains the same all the time. Mar 21 17:22:50 Someone with proper RF test gear would be able to sort this better than we can just by guessing. Mar 21 17:23:04 mwester: the point is: shape of edge stays the same regardless of clk freq. Mar 21 17:23:39 DocScrutinizer: if that is the case, then we should be reducing drive power until the edge just starts to deform -- else we are just needlessing generating RFI. Mar 21 17:24:04 The SD clock comes from a divisor off the CPU clock? Mar 21 17:24:14 Yes, basically. Mar 21 17:24:27 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the original clock Mar 21 17:24:35 so if there's a burst generated at gps freq on each edge... Mar 21 17:24:46 mwester: it can also depend on a particular card :( Mar 21 17:24:51 It's a crappy divisor, so we do not have a fine granularity. It's even worse on the GTA01 -- one cannot get the full 25MHz clock at all. Mar 21 17:24:52 tuning sdclk freq wont help much Mar 21 17:24:56 Oh - it's a divide by 2^n IIRC, it can't be set to arbitrary divisors Mar 21 17:25:40 doc|work: if you set it - in principle - so that the noise from hte SD completely misses the GPS spectrum (and any IF), ... Mar 21 17:26:46 Though I note that GTA01 gets ~3Mbytes/sec read and write Mar 21 17:27:04 SpeedEvil: I highly doubt you can tune the spectrum of RFI on gps freq by tweaking sdclk freq Mar 21 17:27:44 doc|work: yeah - too many multiples on reflection. Mar 21 17:27:51 SpeedEvil: you see, it's harmonics of the single edge at sdclk Mar 21 17:27:55 I would add that we don't really know what happens inside the sd card either, with the clock. Mar 21 17:28:56 SpeedEvil: basically every edge at sdclk causes a burst at gps freq Mar 21 17:30:22 SpeedEvil: so tweaking sdfreq causes less freqent bursts, still each burst is same level as before Mar 21 17:30:34 So adding the cap is half of the solution -- we're missing the R that would create the necessary filter and we can only simulate that hardware R by playing with the drive power (and sdclock has nothing whatever to do with the result, as it is a square wave being fed in, in essence) Mar 21 17:30:36 If it's only the clock - in principle it might be possible. It's the data too though. - probably. Mar 21 17:31:01 Noise from a squarewave is not spread completely over the spectrum. Mar 21 17:31:33 It's only at certain harmonics of the signal. However, add data modulation into this, and it spreads the spectrum. Mar 21 17:31:41 so it's probably impossible. Mar 21 17:32:00 Especially given the almost nonexistant tuning that can be done. Mar 21 17:32:42 Too many variables. and we would need RF gear that we probably lack (spectrum analyzers, etc). And even then, the results would probably vary based on the characteristcs of the uSD card itself. Mar 21 17:33:24 SpeedEvil: the spectrum of a MHz square at GHz harmonics is only faintly related to the square freq. It's shape of edge that matters Mar 21 17:33:28 Talking of in principles, not reality. Reality may differ - the clock will not be quite a squarewave, jitter and stuff all make it worse. Mar 21 17:33:47 But I think we CAN ask the community to do some tests with that clock slow-down -- if we get enough feedback, we can prove (possibly) that there is no correlation, and that would get rid of that bit. Mar 21 17:34:03 shape of the edge matters - however absenting jitter, the spectrum will still be spread at harmonics. Mar 21 17:34:18 (for a constant clock) Mar 21 17:35:08 The data lines make this irrelevant largely though. Mar 21 17:35:30 SpeedEvil: jeah in theory. on each multiple of base freq ;D, so 2MHz might be even much worse than 16 Mar 21 17:35:48 And of course, all this assumes that the GPS is really objecting to interference in the GPS spectrum. Mar 21 17:35:57 And not baseband that's getting through a filter somewhere. Mar 21 17:36:24 anyone tested two FRs on top of each other? Mar 21 17:36:31 SpeedEvil: hey, *good* point :) Mar 21 17:37:09 (intermediate freq) Mar 21 17:37:18 SpeedEvil: this is _not_ that sort of channel! (there may be children here!) Mar 21 17:37:33 :P Mar 21 17:37:42 mwester: I diddn't even say anything about the vibrators during the test. Mar 21 17:38:07 heh - speaking of those -- there's a source of RFI. Mar 21 17:38:41 so what? Mar 21 17:39:09 remove it! Mar 21 17:40:02 Only when on - though I expect you knew that Mar 21 17:40:44 SpeedEvil: (mixdown freq interference) tink we can rule that out as external gpsant is reported to work reliably Mar 21 17:41:05 ah Mar 21 17:41:06 well Mar 21 17:41:16 external ant is also amplified? Mar 21 17:41:38 hmm, yeah. same as internal is Mar 21 17:42:08 * SpeedEvil wonders about noise getting to the amp. Mar 21 17:42:24 of internal ant? Mar 21 17:42:26 hmm Mar 21 17:42:29 yes Mar 21 17:42:37 on the PSU Mar 21 17:42:53 sounds unlikely. Mar 21 17:44:11 * DocScrutinizer starting his "day" ;D Mar 21 17:44:17 cya Mar 21 17:44:26 wave. Mar 21 17:44:31 Hope it's good. Mar 21 17:44:40 * mirko-paroli likes waving so joins the effort Mar 21 17:55:12 if I get a text, the number starts with a 1, but if I get a call it doesn't, so if I have a contact with a number, either texts show as from them and calls don't or vice versa Mar 21 17:55:30 is there any way around this other than saving two numbers to the contact Mar 21 17:57:03 holeinreality: what sms/phone app do you use? Mar 21 17:57:28 PaulFertser: the default Om2008.12 ones Mar 21 17:58:23 bug Mar 21 17:59:17 holeinreality: nobody cares about it anymore Mar 21 17:59:32 8) Mar 21 17:59:37 (a bit over-simplified, but almost true) Mar 21 17:59:45 * Q-Master cares yet. 8)) Mar 21 17:59:47 haha alright Mar 21 18:00:06 while using om2008.12 Mar 21 18:01:46 * DocScrutinizer points to IETF standard number conventions and ponders about the missing leading "+" to indicate "1" is probably meant to be "US" Mar 21 18:24:28 areaprefix="0"; countryprefix="00"; countrycode="1"; s/($countryprefix)(.*)/+\2/; s/($areaprefix)(.*)/+($countrycode)\2/ Mar 21 18:26:24 PaulFertser: Well, I bought this headset because it was very very cheap. :P Mar 21 18:26:50 I don't doubt that I would have more luck with a decent one, but I'm just not going to pay for it now. Mar 21 18:26:54 I will someday. :D Mar 21 18:27:54 Digital_Pioneer: you can borrow it. The headset i borrowed from my friend is the cheapest one and it works with my laptop but i hear no sound (the only problem) trying to use it with freerunner. Mar 21 18:28:39 Yeah... Mar 21 18:29:13 Perhaps the FR is sending the wrong format of audio or something? I have no idea, I'm just guessing. Mar 21 18:29:20 Digital_Pioneer: then i borrowed another more advanced headset at work for 15 minutes and instantly got sound with FR. Mar 21 18:29:31 Hmm. Mar 21 18:29:32 Digital_Pioneer: does it sound like a wrong format? Mar 21 18:29:51 Well, it's sending data, but all I get is crackling. Sounds like wrong something. Mar 21 18:30:02 Digital_Pioneer: but my test involved sending audio via USB hci (not A2DP, plain SCO!), so no GSM experience here. Mar 21 18:53:36 PaulFertser: I really don't know what A2DP and SCO mean... Just tha they have to do with ways of sending data (audio?) over bluetooth. Mar 21 19:00:13 Digital_Pioneer: A2DP is for HiFi stereo. SCO is a generic headset profile Mar 21 19:00:26 Ahh. Mar 21 19:00:46 Well most likely my stupid cheap thing doesn't support A2DP. Mar 21 19:01:36 both are so called "bluetooth profiles" being negotiated between bt host and bt device Mar 21 19:01:40 Ugh, BRB, my video is being an idiot. Curse nvidia. Mar 21 19:04:15 * Digital_Pioneer returns. Mar 21 19:06:01 DocScrutinizer: So is there any way it could be using the wrong one? Mar 21 19:06:12 Digital_Pioneer: no Mar 21 19:06:42 Ugh. Mar 21 19:07:15 Digital_Pioneer: when bluez establishes a connection, it uses the profile you ask it to use. FSO uses Play() method and that's SCO. Mar 21 19:07:32 PaulFertser: duh, why not? my klo-fisch and sony bt headset yesterday gave me mp3 playback via sco. sounded terrible Mar 21 19:07:54 ahh, ok then Mar 21 19:08:06 Digital_Pioneer: i mean that the difference between your test and my is that i sent SCO via USB interface of bluetooth chip, while for GSM we are sending PCM data over dedicated sound lines directly. Mar 21 19:08:46 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's basically what i tried. Streamed decoded mp3 to the headset via SCO. Sounds like AM radio :) Mar 21 19:09:01 OK, so the moral of the story is we have no idea why it's not making intelligible sound or how to fix it? :P Mar 21 19:09:12 Digital_Pioneer: exactly. Mar 21 19:09:13 so maybe it's worth trying exactly that for dig_pio Mar 21 19:10:00 to sort out PCM coding trouble in wolfson Mar 21 19:10:02 DocScrutinizer: via USB? I have a hacked binary to switch between SCO over USB and SCO over PCM. Mar 21 19:11:17 PaulFertser: still I'm not convinced each dirtcheap hs is handling profile negotiation correctly Mar 21 19:11:31 DocScrutinizer: this commit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=78afda41f7f35ee381cde804ef7c4737ee09687a should take care of setting up wolfson properly Mar 21 19:12:00 should... 8-S Mar 21 19:12:04 DocScrutinizer: i'm too, as my own headset doesn't produce any sound (except ambient amp noise) at all :) Mar 21 19:12:23 DocScrutinizer: while it works with exactly the same bluez4 version and my laptop. Mar 21 19:12:29 Well if it's probable that this could be fixed fairly easily, I'll be happy to do whatever I can, otherwise I could probably find a relatively decent headset instead. Mar 21 19:12:45 is there a way to get logs of BT protocol layer? Mar 21 19:13:00 DocScrutinizer: yes, hcidump does that. Mar 21 19:13:30 ahh, and there weren't any diffs, right? Mar 21 19:13:34 Digital_Pioneer: can you try to prepare some script so if you borrow another headset temporarily, you can try it fast enough, like in 10 minutes. Mar 21 19:14:23 Do I really need a script? It's just three commands, isn't it? simple-agent, and two mdbus's? Mar 21 19:14:24 DocScrutinizer: there were some slight differences, but i couldn't make anything out of it. Showed the non-working logs to bluez guys but they said it looks all right and i should have the sound. Mar 21 19:14:50 Digital_Pioneer: yes. Just it's not convenient to enter them if you don't have a real keyboard. Mar 21 19:14:54 yup, thats what I seem to recall Mar 21 19:15:47 DocScrutinizer: i even tried to use kernel bluetooth stack from their branch, but the result was the same. After that i lost motivation enough to stop thinking about it. Mar 21 19:16:20 PaulFertser: CC me if you set up any script/howto, so I can do some tests here with sony HBH Mar 21 19:17:24 Digital_Pioneer: can you add the information about how to setup bluetooth from an end-user POV to some wiki page? I know it's a bit too much to ask given you didn't succeed, but still? ;) Mar 21 19:17:51 DocScrutinizer: what userspace do you use? Mar 21 19:17:57 PaulFertser: I can try. :) Mar 21 19:18:08 lol Mar 21 19:18:35 which one should I use? Mar 21 19:19:01 actually fso-console Mar 21 19:19:15 DocScrutinizer: i guess shr-unstable, and then update/upgrade. Digital_Pioneer can provide you with more detailed instructions :) Mar 21 19:19:25 and 2007.2 ;) Mar 21 19:19:33 I have that too on flash :) Mar 21 19:42:11 PaulFertser: Hmm, something just occurred to me. Mar 21 19:42:28 My rules.yaml file must be screwed up... Mar 21 19:42:45 It wouldn't switch back to the correct statefile when I disabled bluetooth headset. Mar 21 19:57:17 Selig, around? Mar 21 19:57:22 also... LEINIR Mar 21 19:57:35 Meep! Mar 21 19:57:38 Yes Sir? :) Mar 21 19:59:24 Yes, Dave? Mar 21 20:01:23 Leinir, bow in humble account! Mar 21 20:01:41 dave missing his bats to raport Mar 21 20:03:47 * DocScrutinizer wondering which other kinky kinds of troups dave sports Mar 21 20:04:43 * mwester thinks that what Dave does in the privy of his own home should stay there. :P Mar 21 20:05:49 the bat army decided to move nevertheless ;-) Mar 21 20:05:59 ;) Mar 21 20:06:06 hahaha Mar 21 20:07:14 heh, every tech channel seems to turn into the same discussions :P Mar 21 20:08:10 * leinir curtsies deep to Dave :) Mar 21 20:08:18 That's more like it ;) Mar 21 20:08:27 I've said too much already :P Mar 21 20:08:35 Bat army Go! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29754578/ Mar 21 20:08:52 Derick, blijkbaar :P Mar 21 20:09:06 Dave: I don't live in .nl Mar 21 20:09:14 How disappointing :P Mar 21 20:09:22 nah, place is too boring Mar 21 20:09:25 ¬_¬ Mar 21 20:09:52 * Dave sandwiches damaestro Mar 21 20:10:17 Dave, i am at the cafe, might have to get a sandwich Mar 21 20:10:20 not that norway is any better :P Mar 21 20:10:23 hahaha Mar 21 20:10:30 Derick, snakker? :o Mar 21 20:10:39 yeah, I speak norwegian too Mar 21 20:10:42 :D Mar 21 20:11:08 hvordan gÃ¥r det? Mar 21 20:11:14 bare bra Mar 21 20:11:19 ja... ja Mar 21 20:11:24 :) Mar 21 20:11:35 du er kul :p Mar 21 20:11:51 now that I've atleast one person's attention... any idea why there is no libdbus-dev package anymore (in FSO or SHR)? Mar 21 20:11:54 kul? Mar 21 20:11:57 hehe Mar 21 20:12:00 sicu, jævla hæstkuk... er du her!? Mar 21 20:12:15 that's nynorsk though, not bokmÃ¥l Mar 21 20:14:35 yeah, fucking sweds :p Mar 21 20:14:43 hmm Mar 21 20:14:48 no, two language in norway... Mar 21 20:15:04 I know Mar 21 20:15:05 well, three, if you count sami Mar 21 20:15:48 Dave: that was not very nice ;) Mar 21 20:15:57 Digital_Pioneer: use the one from the sources then Mar 21 20:16:07 hey, it's sicu, I don't have to be :D Mar 21 20:16:20 PaulFertser: Is it fixed for bluetooth? Mar 21 20:16:29 I meant the comments about the swedish, or is sicu swedish ? Mar 21 20:16:58 Digital_Pioneer: i guess it should work Mar 21 20:17:38 mirko-paroli: afaik, "sicu" is not swedish Mar 21 20:18:09 thougth so, why would Dave have adressed him/her in nynorsk then ... Mar 21 20:18:11 Mmph, I'll just put on the one you gave me and let you edit it if you see something wrong with it. I know nothing of YAML... Heheh Mar 21 20:18:31 oh, heh.. hadn't seen that was a nick :) Mar 21 20:18:35 ah well Mar 21 20:19:16 Digital_Pioneer: let me give you the link then Mar 21 20:19:36 NORSK Mar 21 20:20:18 Digital_Pioneer: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob_plain;f=etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml;hb=HEAD Mar 21 20:21:38 inuktitut Mar 21 20:21:42 YAML x_x Mar 21 20:23:17 SpeedEvil: it's been a volunteer, and transmissions were rather good Mar 21 20:24:36 cool it works) Mar 21 20:25:01 SHR is cool Mar 21 20:25:04 PaulFertser: Yeah, that's what I've got. Mar 21 20:25:37 gprs is works as well Mar 21 20:25:44 SpeedEvil: actually it's been a longterm project of bat rmy HQ Mar 21 20:28:35 who use SHR? Mar 21 20:28:59 Digital_Pioneer: btw, can you try to load gsmbluetooth file manually during the call? Mar 21 20:30:12 I can, hold on, let me finish this wiki edit... Mar 21 20:35:22 PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner <-- There it is... Mar 21 20:35:33 Digital_Pioneer: thanks a lot! :) Mar 21 20:35:57 OK, reconfiguring my phone to use bluetooth again... Mar 21 20:39:04 Digital_Pioneer: i'm not sure "true" and "false" are correct arguments. Probably 1 and 0 could work better, but i don't know. Mar 21 20:39:58 which context? Mar 21 20:40:21 DocScrutinizer: supplying function arguments using mdbus Mar 21 20:40:47 aah, no idea here Mar 21 20:42:10 PaulFertser: Yeah, they both seemed to work and not work equally. Mar 21 20:42:31 I suspect it can cast "false" to a string and then to a boolean which results in true. Mar 21 20:42:43 Changed 'em. Mar 21 20:43:24 Hmmm, that would make things different... Mar 21 20:43:37 Oh, no, I tried to disable it with both. Mar 21 20:44:00 Digital_Pioneer: during the incoming call? Mar 21 20:44:23 Nope. Mar 21 20:44:25 Not yet. Mar 21 20:44:34 Although I'm testing with outgoing calls. Mar 21 20:45:04 Digital_Pioneer: i guess it shouldn't be called during the calls. Mar 21 20:45:27 Digital_Pioneer: do you have a special number you can call to check balance free? ;) Mar 21 20:45:36 Yup. 611 Mar 21 20:45:38 :D Mar 21 20:48:00 PaulFertser: OK, I switched back to gsmhandset during the call, and it worked. Mar 21 20:48:35 Guys, Q-master is using cp1251, it's a windows-specific encoding. Spank him when you see him next time ;) Mar 21 20:49:05 Digital_Pioneer: and switching to gsmbluetooth still produces only crackling sound, i assume... Mar 21 20:49:20 Digital_Pioneer: not encouraging. But still. I hope you'll be able to borrow some other headset to try. Mar 21 20:49:49 Yeah, it does. Mar 21 20:50:34 DocScrutinizer: i guess you saw the link to the directions Digital_Pioneer prepared? Mar 21 20:51:00 might have a look to backlog Mar 21 20:51:10 DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner Mar 21 20:51:17 Selig, what's doing? Mar 21 20:51:24 (more advertising won't hurt :) ) Mar 21 20:53:07 So long as it's not FALSE advertizing... Mar 21 20:53:18 I think we've all been down -this- road with openmoko before ;) Mar 21 20:53:20 Dave: I am playing a game while filtering wikipedia Mar 21 20:53:23 Dave: why don't you try it yourself? Mar 21 20:53:52 MAYBE I WILL Mar 21 20:54:01 Oh man you scare me Mar 21 20:54:06 Better don't Mar 21 20:54:08 ¬_¬ Mar 21 20:54:30 * Dave reattaches the wires in his freerunner, and closes it back up, ready to hit the power switch Mar 21 20:55:06 OMG it will blow! Mar 21 20:55:31 Dave's freerunners reached the critical mass! Mar 21 20:56:10 * DocScrutinizer runs for shelter Mar 21 20:56:11 Oh, my bad jokes again. At least _I_ have fun. Mar 21 20:56:43 :D Mar 21 20:56:53 Paul, I still enjoy your humor, from time to time :) Mar 21 20:56:58 Joerg, a wise precaution :) Mar 21 20:57:20 Dave: i still enjoy your flirt with Selig Mar 21 20:57:37 o.O Mar 21 20:57:56 hehe Mar 21 20:58:52 hehe Mar 21 20:59:06 hi everyone and daves mokos :) Mar 21 21:02:23 :) Mar 21 21:02:26 hei zorkman Mar 21 21:05:57 hi zorki Mar 21 21:09:54 Dave: STOP THAT! Mar 21 21:10:45 Dave: why are you screwing up my TV? Mar 21 21:12:04 :) Mar 21 21:22:16 hehe Mar 21 21:22:55 with the amount of FR dave has he most likely can cause enough EMinterference it classifies as a pulsebomb Mar 21 21:24:39 Hehehe, FCE is already after him. Mar 21 21:56:03 :D Mar 21 21:58:46 norsk! Mar 21 23:08:32 with frameworkd is there any way to get the caller id status of an incoming call? Mar 21 23:08:40 or can you only get the number Mar 21 23:13:46 SeligArkin: is CID supported on GSM even? Mar 21 23:13:53 yes Mar 21 23:13:55 oh Mar 21 23:14:36 I have noclue, it worked for my old phone, but then it may have opene a connection to a third party to get the info Mar 21 23:17:57 SeligArkin: do you mean operator supplied you with the name of the calling party? Mar 21 23:18:41 PaulFertser: I mean when someone called, it showed the name of the caller on the screen with the number, even if the number wass not in my contacts Mar 21 23:19:07 SeligArkin: where are you supposed to get that name, from cell operator? Mar 21 23:19:09 unless I am rememberint wrong, which is very possible Mar 21 23:19:20 PaulFertser: I have no clue Mar 21 23:24:49 Hey Dave ;-) Mar 21 23:25:09 did yomeone got compiled the qt-extended improved? Mar 21 23:27:33 jucs!! :D Mar 21 23:28:11 Selig: If we were to hold a US FSOSHRUDCON type of event in the area, would you attend? Mar 21 23:28:54 :-) Mar 21 23:29:01 How are you jucs? Mar 21 23:29:13 I'm fine, and what about you? Mar 21 23:29:31 I've missed your comradery. Mar 21 23:29:49 Let's just say, I'm doing a whole lot better than Openmoko is at the moment ;) Mar 21 23:30:01 ;-) Yes, I know, I should come here more often Mar 21 23:30:10 huh. I just noticed that I have no gps thing in the /sys directory for my echo 1 > to be going to. Mar 21 23:30:26 I didn't attend for some time - what's wrong with project? Mar 21 23:30:32 the* Mar 21 23:32:13 Hell yeah, it's a party! Mar 21 23:32:20 oh, OM is crapping out Mar 21 23:32:24 but don't tell anyone I said so :D Mar 21 23:32:35 SHR is still moving along, and such :) Mar 21 23:33:31 hmm... Mar 21 23:33:45 Hopefully it'll be better soon... Mar 21 23:35:00 As it's the only light in that market - everyone else tries to do the closest platform on earth... Mar 21 23:36:25 Dave: maybe, why do you ask? Mar 21 23:36:43 Because it's coming Mar 21 23:36:56 to the philly area? Mar 21 23:37:00 jucs, yeah Mar 21 23:37:04 Selig, NYC likely Mar 21 23:37:10 hmm Mar 21 23:37:10 if I had any say in it :) Mar 21 23:37:17 man, you're close enough, don't bitch :P Mar 21 23:37:25 would have to convince my parents to drive me up there. :P Mar 21 23:37:30 pfft Mar 21 23:37:31 :-D Mar 21 23:37:39 bit too far for my bike. Mar 21 23:37:41 Take the train? Mar 21 23:37:46 * Dave rolls his eyes Mar 21 23:38:48 :P Mar 21 23:38:57 When is it? Mar 21 23:44:06 Selig, check the shr wiki Mar 22 00:57:17 good evening =) Mar 22 00:57:19 Dave! Mar 22 00:58:13 moo Fougner Mar 22 00:58:24 haha Mar 22 00:58:26 hey Doc Mar 22 00:58:30 what's up? Mar 22 00:58:38 :-/ Mar 22 00:58:54 hehe Mar 22 00:59:09 quite today, are we? :P Mar 22 00:59:36 momerial minutes probably Mar 22 01:05:44 FOUGNER! Mar 22 01:06:00 DAVE :D Mar 22 01:06:11 :) Mar 22 01:06:19 what up? Mar 22 01:09:05 Not my freerunner :[ Mar 22 01:10:19 what? Mar 22 01:10:38 Freerunner is down Mar 22 01:14:00 I'm starting a new distro: QT Extended (Abandoned) Improved Turbo Platinum Edition Mar 22 01:15:34 wow, I'm looking forward to the first release :D Mar 22 01:15:57 * mwester corrects the syntax so that it can be properly passed as a command-line option to grep: 'QT Extended \\(Abandoned\\) Improved Turbo Platinum Edition' Mar 22 01:16:43 Dave, why? :o Mar 22 01:17:00 I presume the 'Ultra QT Extended (Abandoned) Improved Turbo Platinum Edtiion' will follow? Mar 22 01:17:07 is he in the Freerunners heaven now? Mar 22 01:17:18 mwester, Right after the next abandonment. Mar 22 01:17:23 hehe! Mar 22 01:17:55 I'm looking forward for the first FSO5.5 + OM official release =) Mar 22 01:18:04 what distro that will be... Mar 22 01:22:56 :D Mar 22 01:23:13 Hey Ken, I liked the new release; the icon also looks spiffy, when did that change? ;) Mar 22 01:24:26 Dave, A few versions ago. I was getting complainta about the old one, and rightfully so. Mar 22 01:25:15 Dave, that's a joke right? Mar 22 01:25:17 you Mar 22 01:25:28 your FR is dead, nothing fun about that joke ^^ Mar 22 01:25:31 ~_~ Mar 22 01:25:32 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 22 01:25:37 hey apt ! Mar 22 01:25:48 apt, clock Mar 22 01:25:49 i guess clock is Mar 22 01:25:54 apt, date Mar 22 01:25:55 It is now 2009.03.22 1:25:55 GMT Mar 22 01:26:08 apt, shoot Dave Mar 22 01:26:09 * apt shoots Dave in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! Mar 22 01:26:21 x_x Mar 22 01:30:19 apt: ignore Dave Mar 22 01:30:20 * apt sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Dave!" Mar 22 01:30:28 not quite what I had in mind. Mar 22 01:33:53 apt, kick mwester Mar 22 01:33:54 * apt kicks mwester Mar 22 01:35:12 and freerunners keep flashing on... Mar 22 01:35:35 bitches. Mar 22 01:35:39 ah, aux led keeps flashing on too Mar 22 01:35:45 * Chocky sighs at the mess that is still Freerunner one year on Mar 22 01:36:20 wow, Chocky lives, been ages i pestered you with stupid questions :) Mar 22 01:36:26 :o Mar 22 01:36:29 remembered! Mar 22 01:36:41 Well, Android doesn't build on x86_64 natively. Mar 22 01:36:47 so I have to use a chroot. stoopit. Mar 22 01:36:54 and even then, it didn't run. Mar 22 01:37:19 (love to talk but gf now here, see you around) Mar 22 01:37:53 Wiki is still hopelessly organised (but a tiny bit better). Still loads of shit that isn't explained, like what the hell the nightly variants are Mar 22 01:38:03 (i'm getting sloppier with my grammar since you were gone ;-)) Mar 22 01:38:31 Chocky: builds on multi-lib systems Mar 22 01:38:51 * vininim builds it on Fedora 10 x86_64 Mar 22 01:39:00 Qtopia is almost, just about usable. Exceptt for screwing up incoming calls, and not being much use for anything but as a phone Mar 22 01:39:15 not on Debian Mar 22 01:39:26 Debian is multi-lib too, iirc Mar 22 01:39:46 yes, but it's still clearly broken Mar 22 01:40:11 fedora <3 Mar 22 01:40:31 Fedora is almost as much of a mess as Openmoko, IMO Mar 22 01:40:47 host Executable: acp (out/host/linux-x86/obj/EXECUTABLES/acp_intermediates/acp) Mar 22 01:41:02 /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/libstdc++.so when searching for -lstdc++ Mar 22 01:41:05 etc. Mar 22 01:51:18 About four RED shines per second: kernel panic. Mar 22 01:51:20 moo Mar 22 01:51:23 awesome Mar 22 01:51:33 well, at least you know :p Mar 22 01:51:38 apt, shoot vininim and Chocky Mar 22 01:51:39 * apt shoots vininim and Chocky in the ear with a phase pistol! Mar 22 01:51:52 ouch Mar 22 01:52:01 apt, fetch Mar 22 01:52:02 from memory, fetch is Hey, just say what you really mean! Mar 22 01:52:22 apt fetch Chocky coffee Mar 22 01:52:33 apt, get Chocky coffee Mar 22 01:52:34 * apt fetches Chocky coffee Mar 22 01:52:54 anyway, rant continues. Mar 22 01:53:09 let's rant about enabling Qi output Mar 22 01:53:24 hackable:1 is looking good, certainly that it's a full Debian is a bonus. Still has some oddities with window handling, etc. Mar 22 01:53:44 and WiFi remains a clusterfuck, no matter which distro Mar 22 01:54:59 I found some patch to make MP3 work in Qtopia, and apart from the general audio issues on FR, they sound horrific, with pauses and bonus crackling Mar 22 01:56:04 I see these dudes with their Iphones and G1s and whatnot watching movies on their phones. I should be able to do that, but it's not even obvious that any of the distros have sensible setup for that. Mar 22 01:56:21 hummm Mar 22 01:56:43 assuming the performance issue with Glamo are ok, which a year ago looked okish, cf mplayer improvements. Mar 22 01:56:58 from what I recall they were not Mar 22 01:57:04 * Chocky burps. Mar 22 01:57:14 omfg Mar 22 01:57:16 CHOX Mar 22 01:57:18 Dave! Mar 22 01:57:21 there he is. Mar 22 01:57:42 YES Mar 22 01:57:45 WE HEAR YOU Mar 22 01:58:08 I'd settle for playing the 480x234 movies I downscale for my (WinCE, hacked up) GPS device. Mar 22 01:58:35 Hey - haven't seen Chocky about for a while. What do you think about the fine progress on the Openmoko devices? Don't you love the work done on the kernel -- to support the upcoming GTA03. (just ignore that the gta02 isn't really finished). Mar 22 01:58:36 hah Mar 22 01:58:45 although those movies are ridicously low quality, cos I have to fit many of them onto a 2GB USB drive Mar 22 01:58:52 Movies????! Mar 22 01:58:55 weak sauce Mar 22 01:58:56 what are you on about. Mar 22 01:59:00 heh Mar 22 01:59:02 We almost have phone calls working! Mar 22 01:59:10 Pretty impressive, huh? Mar 22 01:59:10 haha Mar 22 01:59:12 sarcasm Mar 22 01:59:22 Ah yes, and I see mention of GAT02v7, but no details at all what that's about. Again, wiki fails me. Mar 22 01:59:28 two years, too late. Mar 22 01:59:37 If you don't laugh about it, you'd cry. It's pretty pathetic. Mar 22 02:00:01 FWIW, outgoing calls on Qtopia do work pretty well :p Mar 22 02:00:12 dudes, don't be rude to openmoko, they're a very small company compared to the average phone manufacturer ;D Mar 22 02:00:15 Qtopia.... what's that? :D Mar 22 02:00:18 oh, and opkg still makes me cry :-( Mar 22 02:00:18 mmm.. anyway to debug a kernel panick without a debug board? =P Mar 22 02:00:31 As always ;) Mar 22 02:00:47 Chocky: did anyone tell you that Nokia killed the Qtopia/QT Extended stuff? Mar 22 02:00:50 Ah yes, nice flamewar recently on the list. Mar 22 02:00:58 mwester: nope. Mar 22 02:00:59 Now that it almost works, of course. Mar 22 02:01:18 but someone else picked it up, and is doing some good work on it. Mar 22 02:01:28 I've had a recent poke at the sources Mar 22 02:01:31 Hey Chox, are you still in the area? Mar 22 02:01:38 yessir. Mar 22 02:01:42 Cool Mar 22 02:01:58 Want to attend our FSOSHRUDCON:US ? :P Mar 22 02:02:11 (if we do it) hahaha Mar 22 02:02:14 hm, maybe. Mar 22 02:02:17 heh Mar 22 02:02:23 will there be beer? Mar 22 02:02:33 Maybe it would be far more attractive if I marketed it as the Freerunner Roast ~NYC~ Mar 22 02:02:57 put that shit on youtube, and get a million hits. Mar 22 02:03:01 * Dave laughs Mar 22 02:03:24 * Chocky is not travelling to NYC for beer. What area did you tthink I was in?/ Mar 22 02:03:46 Dave, what the hell are you doing in NYC? Mar 22 02:04:42 Partying? Mar 22 02:04:51 Chocky, North America ;) Mar 22 02:06:10 haha, Dave serious? Mar 22 02:06:11 * Chocky will travel to LA, and no further. Ideally, a lot less than that. Mar 22 02:06:30 apt teleport Chocky to NYC Mar 22 02:06:37 =( Mar 22 02:06:42 aw Mar 22 02:06:43 did it work? Mar 22 02:06:52 I'm just trying to help =( Mar 22 02:07:21 hvor kommer du fra? Mar 22 02:07:31 ok, so what the hell distro should I be using? What is getting the most serious development, and is most useful for both a phone and other stuff. Mar 22 02:07:33 sverige =) Mar 22 02:07:38 Dave, ^ Mar 22 02:07:47 Chocky, SHR? Mar 22 02:08:09 ah :] Mar 22 02:08:12 hehe Mar 22 02:08:17 å du kommer från Norge? Mar 22 02:08:27 ¬_¬ Mar 22 02:08:36 eller? Mar 22 02:08:37 no, I defected! Mar 22 02:08:43 uhm Mar 22 02:08:57 så du kommer från USA nu? :P Mar 22 02:09:08 ja, nu ~_~ Mar 22 02:09:11 haha Mar 22 02:09:13 ~_~ Mar 22 02:09:14 2.624, 2.6.28 or 2.6.29? Mar 22 02:09:14 STOP DOING THAT! Mar 22 02:09:31 Chocky, 3.1.12 Mar 22 02:09:36 :D Mar 22 02:09:37 3.11? Mar 22 02:09:45 9.11 ^^ Mar 22 02:09:46 * Chocky is talking kernel verisons, clown boy. Mar 22 02:09:52 duh Mar 22 02:10:08 And which SHR variant? Mar 22 02:10:13 * Fougner is telling jokes Mar 22 02:10:30 Chocky, check "testing" Mar 22 02:10:34 testing Mar 22 02:10:53 No, I want to use unstable, trust me on this ;-) Mar 22 02:10:58 haha okay Mar 22 02:11:02 so, which one: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Mar 22 02:11:04 some things might be broken=) Mar 22 02:11:08 that's ok Mar 22 02:11:15 well testing build is fresher than unstable Mar 22 02:11:31 shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Mar 22 02:11:32 I'm more interested in active development, than some half-arsed "stable" version Mar 22 02:11:35 lastest unstable is only minimal Mar 22 02:11:46 Chocky, then what are you doing here? :D Mar 22 02:12:02 Dave: asking if there's active development. Mar 22 02:12:12 vininim, isn't unstable the latest updated stuff? Mar 22 02:12:32 Fougner: source wise yes, images on buildhost doesn't seem so Mar 22 02:13:16 what is 'lite' about the lite version? Mar 22 02:13:51 Chocky, maybe some default apps isn't installed? =9 Mar 22 02:14:05 vininim, you're right, that's weird Mar 22 02:14:18 some e17 stuff doesn't build Mar 22 02:14:26 on unstable Mar 22 02:14:30 ah Mar 22 02:14:45 Dave, vad gör du i Amerika? Mar 22 02:15:01 but last time I checked was one week ago Mar 22 02:15:11 secretz! Mar 22 02:15:15 I'm now a traitor, android represent! \o Mar 22 02:15:20 hahaha Mar 22 02:15:22 hahaha Mar 22 02:15:29 yay, android is good Mar 22 02:15:36 Dave, no serious, tell me :D Mar 22 02:15:56 where can I find the latest Android iamge? Mar 22 02:15:58 image* Mar 22 02:16:23 there are 3 ``latest'' x_x Mar 22 02:16:32 which? Mar 22 02:17:12 the one that I managed to boot was beta4, throught a convoluted auto installer Mar 22 02:17:40 http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-March/000610.html Mar 22 02:18:44 but michael's images are reported to work better: http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ Mar 22 02:19:18 but the only feature I could notice is the aux red flashing =P Mar 22 02:20:08 haha Mar 22 02:20:09 okay Mar 22 02:20:16 vininim, did you prepare a mmc? Mar 22 02:20:32 beta4 doesn't need one, i wonder if michael's do Mar 22 02:20:42 oh, well, could be.. Mar 22 02:20:49 but it should hang after bootsplash, not before Mar 22 02:20:50 check it out? =) Mar 22 02:20:52 ah Mar 22 02:20:53 hehe Mar 22 02:21:01 just trying to help =/ Mar 22 02:21:21 thanks =) Mar 22 02:22:06 "* Getting Android to run completely off NAND" Mar 22 02:22:09 here we go Mar 22 02:25:06 ouch Mar 22 02:25:09 03.30 AM Mar 22 02:25:13 better go to sleep :P Mar 22 02:57:58 Come back for another snack, Jon? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 22 02:59:57 2009