**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 24 02:59:57 2009 Mar 24 03:22:20 hack it! Mar 24 03:22:29 hack it good! Mar 24 03:25:23 i plan to Mar 24 03:25:23 like the whore it is! Mar 24 03:26:56 rooly good! Mar 24 03:28:02 Dave: whatsup? Mar 24 03:29:29 apt: poke Dave Mar 24 03:29:41 * apt cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Dave, pokes Dave repeatedly, hilarity ensues. Mar 24 03:31:03 hmm, okay... Mar 24 03:31:50 hehe Mar 24 03:31:53 Hey Joerg Mar 24 03:32:06 Was just checking your name on the FSOSHRUDCON page :) Mar 24 03:32:12 huHH, it's alive!! Mar 24 03:32:27 :D Mar 24 03:32:32 :) Mar 24 03:33:25 like my new ancient link about Real Programmers? Mar 24 03:33:32 FSOTOOMANYLETTERS Mar 24 03:34:27 agreed Mar 24 03:35:12 was kinda guideline for me back when it's been new Mar 24 03:36:07 well 25y and only few has changed ;P Mar 24 03:36:07 muh Mar 24 03:38:05 still you can code FORTRAN style in virtually every language Mar 24 03:39:04 thought about Paul and raster chatting about how to teach students how to program Mar 24 03:43:07 I program in bash all day. good times. Mar 24 03:46:06 the pulch Mar 24 03:47:27 some more info about your good times: http://www.fat-pie.com/pulch.htm ;-) Mar 24 03:48:41 i wish i knew somebody called luxembourg with a reassuring arm :) Mar 24 03:48:54 heh Mar 24 03:54:10 sleep tight and don't let the bad mokos explode Mar 24 03:56:17 dave is surrounded Mar 24 03:57:42 by? Mar 24 04:02:58 ? Mar 24 04:03:10 mokos Mar 24 06:18:02 Does anyone know where I can find the source files for SHR's keyboard (specifically predictive) and dictionary? Mar 24 06:46:20 jhass840: it's in enlightment svn. Mar 24 06:47:54 PaulFertser: Oh, so I can't just ssh into my freerunner and play around with them? Mar 24 06:48:39 jhass840: You can play with dictionary contents easily. The code is C and i guess compiling it is a bit slow on the device. Mar 24 06:50:21 PaulFertser: Oh okay, thanks Mar 24 07:34:07 hi ho... hi ho Mar 24 09:46:56 good morning Mar 24 09:49:25 'nings Mar 24 09:50:45 I don't have a microSD card... can I not use QTopia? Mar 24 09:52:00 lymeca: can't you flash it to nand? Mar 24 09:52:15 Just looking at instruction on the wiki Mar 24 09:58:41 morning Mar 24 10:18:28 PaulFertser: quote from a mail from Cedric Berger: And Paul Ferster wrote about a modification related to buzz... Mar 24 10:19:04 henk: A7 will fix buzz for internal mic. Mar 24 10:19:07 PaulFertser: is that a DIY fix? Mar 24 10:19:16 henk: A8 is supposed to fix it for headset too. Mar 24 10:19:24 henk: A7 is a factory-reworked A6. Mar 24 10:20:25 PaulFertser: i know and joergs buzz fix can be done by a solding-experienced person... how about yours? Mar 24 10:20:52 henk: there's no "my" buzz fix. Mar 24 10:21:21 henk: "wrote about a modification" doesn't mean i wrote about "my" modification. I wrote about modification in general. Mar 24 10:22:00 henk: if you're asking about the DIY fix for headset mic, yes, i think i described what Joerg proposed on IRC. It's very impractical, nobody has tried that so far. Mar 24 10:25:59 Confused about all the options here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Mar 24 10:26:08 I want full, not lite testing SHR for my FR Mar 24 10:26:27 Are uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin and uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin the same? Mar 24 10:26:41 lymeca: yes, i think it's symlink. Mar 24 10:26:49 Also are shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090303-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 the same? Mar 24 10:27:22 PaulFertser: Do I need the modules file? Mar 24 10:27:42 Or just the .bin for the kernel and .jffs2 for the root FS Mar 24 10:30:01 lymeca: I guess jffs2 root is enough. Mar 24 10:32:22 lymeca: you might be also interested to try Paroli Mar 24 10:36:56 PaulFertser: Paroli? I was going to use Qi as my bootloader Mar 24 10:37:24 Oh I see, Paroli instead of SHR Mar 24 10:37:47 Hmm not much info on the wiki page. Mar 24 10:37:57 SHR is very clear about what works and I am impressed with that. Mar 24 10:40:56 lymeca: you can install paroli on a working SHR distro. Mar 24 10:47:34 PaulFertser: ok, thanks for clarification :) Mar 24 10:47:54 lymeca: no, paroli ist just yet another framework to use another framework which is used by SHR... Mar 24 10:48:28 That sentence confused me even more. Mar 24 10:50:06 lymeca: let me say that in other words: Mar 24 10:50:19 lymeca: SHR is using FSO as its middleware. Mar 24 10:50:34 lymeca: Paroli is using FSO as its middleware too. Mar 24 10:51:31 lymeca: but Paroli is a single python framework allowing creation of other programs as a simple plugins. Mar 24 10:53:14 (extra "a" and other mistakes shouldn't make it too unclear, i hope...) Mar 24 10:57:14 lymeca: welcome to the openmoko software jungle... Mar 24 10:57:38 Yeh okay that helps I think. Mar 24 10:57:45 I'm just going to try SHR testing for now. Mar 24 10:58:17 i wonder how paroli will be packaged for debian... Mar 24 12:23:51 i ran opkg upgrade on my shr-unstable and now E segv's, anyone else having problems? Mar 24 12:32:50 husku: which part of E? Mar 24 12:33:22 nezza-_-: i just started to debug. on startup it fails after: EDJE ERROR: file /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/illume-shr.edj, group e/modules/kbd/base/default has a non-fixed part. add fixed: 1 1; ??? Problem part is: e.text.label Will recalc min size not allowing broken parts to affect the result. Mar 24 12:34:07 nezza-_-: after that there is a few ok looking rows and then **** SEGMENTATION FAULT **** Mar 24 12:35:46 nezza-_-: http://paste-it.net/public/m7eeef0/ Mar 24 12:38:44 Very cool. Mar 24 12:43:57 nezza-_-: i have no clue what to do next, any advice? Mar 24 12:54:15 is there any channels for shr ? Mar 24 12:54:19 irc-channels Mar 24 12:56:43 http://www.openpandora.de/ - do want. with added BT and GSM+HSPA, preferrably Mar 24 12:57:14 husku: #openmoko-cdevel Mar 24 12:57:18 dito Mar 24 13:00:56 Weiss: oh, i forgot that, thanks :) Mar 24 13:01:16 nezza-_-: i got it fixed. just needed to remove /home/root/.e directory Mar 24 13:01:55 nezza-_-: and on the next startup, E presented setup screens and after those it works Mar 24 13:04:14 husku: ah okay.. Mar 24 13:04:24 husku: sorry, i was afk Mar 24 13:04:49 nezza-_-: np. better this way. first one that i fixed by myself :) Mar 24 13:45:52 well, my SHR setup is hosed Mar 24 13:59:01 Chocky: how come? Mar 24 13:59:09 moin Mar 24 13:59:32 Chocky: i had some problems with unstable updates today, related to E startup Mar 24 14:11:42 Is anyone else having their posts to the community mailinglist not show up? Mar 24 14:13:05 yes. i just post two emails. and all not show up. Mar 24 14:14:51 oh well - i guess I ahve to do some work work Mar 24 14:27:08 freesmartphone.org: 03Sebastian 07libeflvala * r0aaf0fb61c94 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): add a --disable-examples configure option. Mar 24 14:30:04 xiangfu, gromgull: patience ;) your mails just arrived here. at least your two xiangfu Mar 24 14:30:31 thanks henk Mar 24 14:44:00 thanks henk :-) Mar 24 15:01:58 it shouldnt take longer than 2-3 hours to bring the battery from a comatose to a 'just-enought-to-boot' stage.. right? Mar 24 15:05:45 heh Mar 24 15:33:18 it shouldnt take longer than 2-3 hours to bring the battery from a comatose to a 'just-enought-to-boot' stage.. right? Mar 24 15:38:15 Sup3rkiddo: I think mine is bootable in less than 1h Mar 24 15:38:44 neo can be booted without battery at all (via usb-cable too) Mar 24 15:38:47 gromgull, *groan* Mar 24 15:39:02 not always Mar 24 15:39:06 always Mar 24 15:39:10 its not booting, i read the wiki as well.. strangely enough it worked with my friend's battery Mar 24 15:39:11 max_posedon: Mine certainly cannot Mar 24 15:39:23 you should do Mar 24 15:39:29 It's clearly not true, why are you contridicting me like a 3 year old? Mar 24 15:39:30 1. remove battery from neo Mar 24 15:39:35 The Wiki has a big section o nthis Mar 24 15:39:46 2. insert usb to destkop Mar 24 15:39:48 * Chocks had a hell of a time getting his to boot. Mar 24 15:40:05 3. press AUX and don't release it Mar 24 15:40:16 4. insert usb-mini to neo Mar 24 15:40:16 uh huh. Mar 24 15:40:25 5. release AUX Mar 24 15:40:36 * Chocks tried all this. Mar 24 15:40:37 6. next AUX+POWER will boot device Mar 24 15:40:47 * Sup3rkiddo tries the trick Mar 24 15:40:50 In the end I had to jury rig wires with a nokia battery. Mar 24 15:42:01 max_posedon: ok - I'll try next time I have the useless brick in my hand :) Mar 24 15:43:51 max_posedon: is this dependent on boot loader or will it work with qi and qboot alike? Mar 24 15:43:56 (qboot? What is it called?) Mar 24 15:43:58 heh Mar 24 15:44:20 * Chocks presumes it relies on (a) luck and (b) NOR u-boot. Mar 24 15:44:27 gromgull, boot loader doesn't metter I think, problem is "power on" device. Mar 24 15:44:37 and why the hell isn't it described in wiki, if it's just a fantastic fix? Mar 24 15:45:12 fix for? Mar 24 15:45:28 Don't worry, just more shit that should be documented, but isn't. Mar 24 15:45:51 I don't know, I isn't author of this trick. Mar 24 15:45:59 Doesn't matter. Mar 24 15:47:56 Chocks, as I see it descibed Mar 24 15:47:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues Mar 24 15:48:14 Can't boot with discharged or missing battery ; Workarounds 5 Mar 24 15:57:29 retractible _ ? Mar 24 15:59:16 can anyone recommend me a rather recent and working android image (i want to boot from SD) Mar 24 15:59:26 i heard some good stuff about http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ Mar 24 15:59:31 anything better? Mar 24 15:59:41 That is the best one until they make a release of the merged koolu stuff Mar 24 15:59:52 Zorkman: I'm using the newest cupcake build there plus uImage v15-1 Mar 24 16:00:01 eeh v15-ex1 Mar 24 16:00:11 works like a charm Mar 24 16:00:22 SD booting is a bit fiddly, however Mar 24 16:00:39 Chocks: heard it worked fine :( Mar 24 16:00:53 I does; but that's not what I said. Mar 24 16:01:07 like so much else in OM, there's so many combinations of distros and stuff Mar 24 16:01:21 "freedom" lol Mar 24 16:01:34 hopeless disorganization, not "lol" Mar 24 16:09:08 th0br0: you mean http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/freerunner-v14.6-cupcake.jffs2 ? Mar 24 16:09:26 http://www.fragcom.de/android/freerunner-v14.6.jffs2.1 Mar 24 16:09:30 http://www.fragcom.de/android/uImage-v15-ex1.bin Mar 24 16:09:32 those two Mar 24 16:09:35 (it's a mirror page) Mar 24 16:09:41 wifi is still messed up, as it is in pretty much every distro Mar 24 16:09:50 the mirror has some truncated files. be careful. Mar 24 16:10:15 well Mar 24 16:10:24 wifi is working wiht the v15-ex3 image Mar 24 16:10:31 for values of "working" Mar 24 16:10:36 but that one doesn't support suspend Mar 24 16:10:53 Chocks: scanning works, haven't tried connecting as i can't enter my wpa2 key Mar 24 16:11:02 exactly. Mar 24 16:11:13 you can in cupcake, but it won't save. Mar 24 16:11:22 ah ok Mar 24 16:11:23 :) Mar 24 16:11:43 WiFi is something that should be easy to get right after a year, but it's still messed up everywhere. Mar 24 16:11:53 th0br0: what does that .1 extension mean? Mar 24 16:12:01 don't know :) Mar 24 16:12:06 i just know that the file is newer and bigger Mar 24 16:12:15 why should wifi be easy? Mar 24 16:12:17 but you can flash it like anormal jjffs2 Mar 24 16:12:38 Weiss: "after a year" Mar 24 16:13:03 Yes, WiFi is tricky, but it is not a year's worth of tricky. Mar 24 16:13:27 assuming someone is working on it full time, sure Mar 24 16:13:35 I'm not assuming that Mar 24 16:14:10 But the main problem again, it's the massive balkinization of effort. Mar 24 16:18:32 where's Dave? I need abuse. Mar 24 16:19:20 he's working on his top secret lab project Mar 24 16:19:54 the word in the rat's labyrinth is he's inventing the bee's knees Mar 24 16:20:11 actually... i had wifi working in shr-unstable some time ago Mar 24 16:20:14 w/o any changes. Mar 24 16:20:35 but yeah, it's really taking long Mar 24 16:21:04 I tried the SHR wifi wossname yesterday. It's really really bad. Mar 24 16:21:16 I'm sure it works sometimes, for some. But not for me. Mar 24 16:21:25 Chocks: you mean mofi? Mar 24 16:21:29 it was one month ago I guess :) Mar 24 16:21:29 aye Mar 24 16:22:02 i never use it anymore.... just an icon on the desktop to power wifi on and connect to a preconfigured network Mar 24 16:22:14 hacktastic Mar 24 16:42:38 mofi never worked for me and i finally removed it last night. every network was WPA and WPA only according to mofi. :/ Mar 24 16:43:14 mofomofi Mar 24 16:54:15 Last night I was working on wifi too. Mar 24 16:54:35 mofomoko Mar 24 16:54:47 I tried manually working the wifi. Mar 24 16:54:52 i just start it manually Mar 24 16:54:57 DaveBitch Mar 24 16:55:32 I follow wiki instructions and it was the first time wifi working perfectly. Mar 24 16:55:50 !!!!!!!! Mar 24 16:55:54 it works perfectly for me - manually :) Mar 24 16:56:02 You ! key is stuck. Mar 24 16:56:06 I also like wlan. Mar 24 16:56:18 It usually works fine Mar 24 16:57:15 ususually. but not always Mar 24 16:57:29 often you have to have booted with it connected for it to work. Mar 24 16:57:33 And ther Mar 24 16:57:39 And there's nowhere to plug it in on the train. Mar 24 16:58:50 What do you mean plug it? Mar 24 16:59:07 Plug what? Mar 24 16:59:14 never mind. Mar 24 17:23:43 ...so parolli crashed Mar 24 17:31:41 aw Mar 24 17:31:46 rooly rooly crashed? Mar 24 17:33:21 no Mar 24 17:33:29 frooly crashed Mar 24 17:34:59 parooly? Mar 24 17:35:26 * Chocks is pun master. Mar 24 17:36:54 PaFRooly Mar 24 17:38:52 unrooly Mar 24 17:40:33 that one is old... Mar 24 17:40:41 ...but still good. Mar 24 17:40:45 's been around since i dubbed myself Mar 24 17:41:26 are you saying it's been rooled out? Mar 24 17:46:16 oh jeeze Mar 24 17:46:35 now he's aroolused Mar 24 17:47:43 dot dot dot Mar 24 17:50:08 don't be crool, I'm just making jokes. Mar 24 17:51:50 anyway, you'd have to be off your trooly to find them funny. Mar 24 17:52:06 omg Mar 24 17:53:29 That conversation was trooly amazing. Mar 24 17:54:28 lol Mar 24 17:54:39 * Chocks stabs rooly for that. Mar 24 17:54:46 * rooly dodges like neo Mar 24 17:54:49 no rlolys Mar 24 18:10:40 ahoi Mar 24 18:11:35 polo! Mar 24 18:12:21 el pollo? Mar 24 18:14:56 fooey, i updated and all my icons disappeared Mar 24 18:15:28 me too. and then, my desktop wouldn't start at all Mar 24 18:15:41 opkg testing -> unstable = bad news. Mar 24 18:15:45 ^shr Mar 24 18:17:11 i got my desktop to restart Mar 24 18:17:26 i am current with unstable atm. i just need to fix my desktop a bit Mar 24 18:17:45 I need to reinstall from unstable snapshot Mar 24 18:18:01 if you upgrade w/ unstable, you need to upgrade all the unstable libs along with e-* Mar 24 18:18:07 cos my system is hosed. probably there's an easy fix, but who knows what. Mar 24 18:18:17 no doubt. Mar 24 18:18:22 log in via usb0 ethernet and launch things by hand Mar 24 18:18:28 did :p Mar 24 18:18:34 you'll see what programs have a missing symbol Mar 24 18:18:34 do you want the error? :p Mar 24 18:18:39 sure Mar 24 18:18:47 this is not a symbol problem Mar 24 18:19:18 hang on, gotta reboot outta Qtopia Mar 24 18:25:59 http://pastebin.com/m1e4d386a Mar 24 18:26:55 hm, maybe I'm missing some library plugin Mar 24 18:27:02 anyway. Mar 24 18:27:23 gotta upgrade all the libs :) Mar 24 18:27:31 sure. how :p Mar 24 18:27:44 it wasn't obvious that I hadn't Mar 24 18:28:26 opkg update; then opkg list_upgradable and make sure you opkg upgrade Mar 24 18:28:37 man, opkg sucks Mar 24 18:28:48 yup Mar 24 18:29:36 almost as bad as rpm Mar 24 18:29:45 mhm Mar 24 18:29:55 hm Mar 24 18:30:01 it's giving me updates I didn't have this morning. Mar 24 18:30:10 but that could just be the build host Mar 24 18:30:14 http://pastebin.com/m7a5118a3 Mar 24 18:30:20 sorry wrong channel Mar 24 18:32:52 i found new updates too Mar 24 18:34:51 hm, ok Mar 24 18:35:00 the navit upgrade broke, so I may not have updated everything Mar 24 18:35:19 * Chocks removes navit. humph. Mar 24 18:36:21 i haven't ever used navit Mar 24 18:36:27 it's confusing Mar 24 18:36:45 maybe that's just me Mar 24 18:36:56 i'll have to try it one day Mar 24 18:37:04 just not today's version ;-) Mar 24 18:37:34 heheheh Mar 24 18:37:41 i just want to get my icons back Mar 24 18:37:56 did you try the fix on SHR trac? Mar 24 18:38:54 hmm, no. i'll go find it and try it Mar 24 18:41:08 http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2443129 Mar 24 18:43:12 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#Nolaunchericons Mar 24 18:43:14 wtf... Mar 24 18:43:21 gcc-cross if failing to build. Mar 24 18:43:33 I'd be cross too Mar 24 18:45:19 * Chocks runs opkg upgrade for 5th time Mar 24 18:47:15 ;] Mar 24 18:52:44 Hey Everyone. Why not come check out a brand new Chat Network called UKMadZone.co.uk. Its free fun and friendly im sure yous will all enjoy it. You can connect via the web site at www.ukmadzone.co.uk or via irc at irc.ukmadzone.co.uk I look forward to seeing yous all there, Thanks Mar 24 18:55:07 ugg, spammers suck Mar 24 18:56:37 how about, no. Mar 24 18:57:04 MadZone: learn some grammar. Mar 24 18:58:00 hm, file conflicts with bluez* packages Mar 24 19:01:21 ok, have my system back Mar 24 19:01:24 * Chocks pats Blu3 Mar 24 19:01:34 :) Mar 24 19:02:02 it is good to have a working system =] Mar 24 19:02:11 well, dunno about "working" Mar 24 19:02:19 and some of my icons are gone. Mar 24 19:02:43 shr? Mar 24 19:02:54 use the shr-illume Mar 24 19:03:00 hm, right Mar 24 19:03:01 profile Mar 24 19:03:11 how do I change once I've chosen the other one? Mar 24 19:03:18 some of your icons might be gone for a couple or reasons Mar 24 19:03:33 wrench/look Mar 24 19:03:42 I like the toolbars in normal illume Mar 24 19:03:45 profiles Mar 24 19:04:12 edit the .desktop entry and a) fix the categories - i found i must end the .desktop file with a Categories=Office; and b) you may need to fix the icon entry Mar 24 19:04:18 dialer looks crap in landscrape mode ;-) Mar 24 19:04:20 it's not a wrench now, it's heart Mar 24 19:04:55 which u guys testing is it unstable? Mar 24 19:05:01 aye Mar 24 19:05:06 i'm using unstable right now Mar 24 19:05:19 my installation is mostly stable Mar 24 19:14:52 e.g, my pythm icon is not there Mar 24 19:15:02 hmm, enlightenment is taking 30% cpu Mar 24 19:15:15 neither is mine, nor the contacts icon Mar 24 19:15:19 i need to fix them Mar 24 19:15:27 aye Mar 24 19:15:34 nor mofi, but I installed that :p Mar 24 19:15:40 +un Mar 24 19:15:42 i removed mofi Mar 24 19:15:44 aye Mar 24 19:15:59 and that stupid example app, I removed the file for Mar 24 19:16:04 heheh Mar 24 19:16:17 icon entry looks ok for pythm Mar 24 19:18:47 heh, numphyphysics much speedier (and therefore playable) on unstable Mar 24 19:31:40 * Chocks gets tangogps icon back Mar 24 19:54:56 mirko-parooly Mar 24 20:16:36 how do i use swt-3.4-gtk to create gui-apps? Mar 24 20:20:13 finally got GPS fix. Mar 24 20:20:18 took foooooorever. Mar 24 20:20:41 ^^ Mar 24 20:34:57 anybody tried the howto on jalimo cacao? Mar 24 20:37:04 how is the password for openmoko-devel? Mar 24 20:37:08 running kustomizer on bytestores 2008.12 image Mar 24 20:41:42 Y A Y Mar 24 20:42:24 running smoothly Mar 24 20:42:25 usr: what you want is #openmoko-cdevel Mar 24 20:43:31 why cdevel? i want to devel in java Mar 24 20:43:38 heh Mar 24 20:43:41 -.- Mar 24 20:43:52 * Chocks suggests #android :p Mar 24 20:44:03 or #freerunner-android Mar 24 20:44:14 even betterer Mar 24 20:44:25 cdevel is not developing in c but the developing channel for the community Mar 24 20:44:29 we need jvm for web... Mar 24 20:44:32 devel is om-staff only Mar 24 20:44:36 ... Mar 24 20:44:54 so where do i find openmoko-cdevel Mar 24 20:45:30 head -> keyboard Mar 24 20:45:33 ^^ Mar 24 20:45:49 tomboy64: patience. he is a java programmer :P Mar 24 20:45:54 hahahahaha Mar 24 20:46:02 rofl Mar 24 20:46:07 i've shown enough patience Mar 24 20:46:18 can't get my usb-networking a-runnin Mar 24 20:46:40 tomboy64: on which side? Mar 24 20:46:49 xD Mar 24 20:46:52 moko-side Mar 24 20:47:06 either a kernel/module mismatch, or you didn't plug in cable from power on. Mar 24 20:47:10 usr: you will find #openmoko-cdevel the same way you found #openmoko (this channel) Mar 24 20:47:10 or something else. Mar 24 20:47:36 why from power on? Mar 24 20:47:41 Chocks: module loads fine. it doesn't take an ip-address though Mar 24 20:48:12 slaxxin: beats me. I found however, that often the network doesn't come up unless it was connected at power on. Not always, mind Mar 24 20:48:29 that was true with both Qi and u-boot and several kernels. Mar 24 20:48:37 oo Mar 24 20:49:22 Chocks: strange Mar 24 20:49:26 aye Mar 24 20:49:28 PITA too Mar 24 20:49:29 i found it usually the other way round Mar 24 20:49:36 shame I don't have more exact details on it Mar 24 20:49:57 doesn't help that my USB hub at home is crappy, and likes to reset when I plug FR in Mar 24 20:49:59 e.g. the cable *was* plugged in from startup on, i could not get a conn with another distro (shr in that case) Mar 24 20:56:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT5zuP6lXJc Mar 24 21:00:10 hello Mar 24 21:03:37 i need some advice Mar 24 21:03:50 i am very interested in obtaining neopwn for my openmoko Mar 24 21:03:54 which i do not have as of yet Mar 24 21:04:00 i cant seem to find it anywhere?! Mar 24 21:04:16 so my alternative solution is to just run all the programs on the normal open moko os Mar 24 21:04:27 hopefully this would work with not many problems??? Mar 24 21:04:38 also I am trying to find a long range usb wireless network card Mar 24 21:04:50 but can not seem to find one which would definitly work with the openmoko? Mar 24 21:05:01 can anyone help me please? Mar 24 21:09:09 Ah, another one of the ever-vigilant Security Penetration Testers. Wow, we sure have had a lot of those folks about, it's amazing how many systems get hacked with all those concientious pen testers out there. Mar 24 21:11:06 mwester: but they do it for a greater good Mar 24 21:11:12 for a safe place Mar 24 21:12:14 is the FR fast enough to break any keys? For monitoring traffic yes, but actual cracking....? Mar 24 21:12:19 Of course! :-D And I feel SOOOO much safer, knowing that they're all about, and constantly testing my network -- not to break in, of course, just to help me make sure that I've not overlooked something! Mar 24 21:12:32 not that I'd be interested... Mar 24 21:13:47 with ptw it should Mar 24 21:14:00 mwester: well more than wpa2, long key, mac filter (which is no real barrier) noone can do Mar 24 21:14:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYpaZZJjslg&feature=channel_page Mar 24 21:14:35 moo Mar 24 21:14:35 anyways, whoever's using wep doesn't deserve it any better Mar 24 21:14:43 oh he does Mar 24 21:15:09 * Chocks has wep at home. Mar 24 21:15:19