**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 14 02:59:57 2009 Apr 14 04:03:21 paroli Apr 14 07:24:52 good morning Apr 14 07:25:12 hi Apr 14 07:26:32 morning. Apr 14 07:29:48 good morning Apr 14 07:35:37 which distribution/version is recommended for reliable sms use? Apr 14 07:38:36 I think qt extended improve will be nice Apr 14 07:40:53 beers: is that an answer to my question? or just ageneralcomment? Apr 14 07:42:41 yes it is an answer to you question. I have no problem with getting SMS's, but I have not tried to send but I have head that there should be no problem Apr 14 07:42:58 ok, thanks, will lookinto it Apr 14 07:43:25 earliersomeonesaid that shr doesn't receive sms when the phone isoff, so that,s not good Apr 14 07:43:39 * eMBee grumbles at his spacebar Apr 14 07:46:09 * eMBee wonders if it is possible to have multiple systems on the sd card, to switch between them... Apr 14 08:01:25 yes. Apr 14 08:08:03 mjr: are there instructions on the wiki for that? Apr 14 08:10:00 Dunno. But it's a partitionable block device. Do the math. Apr 14 08:10:45 some distros might of course require manual calibration in their assumptions about the sd card Apr 14 08:12:01 i split my sdcard in four partition of quite equal size, first is vfat for data, others are respectively Android, SHR and freee for future use Apr 14 08:12:27 three other are all ext2/ Apr 14 09:08:48 mjr, the math is clear, i was mostly concerend about the ability to select a system using u-boot Apr 14 09:09:16 nullix: how big is your sd card? Apr 14 09:13:17 eMBee: 4Gb Apr 14 09:13:33 1GB/partition Apr 14 09:13:45 ( latest is smaller ) Apr 14 09:15:23 i boot with Qi installed on NAND Apr 14 09:16:21 currently i boot on third partition having SHR, while on second i deactivated boot on android by putting /boot/noboot-GTA02 in it Apr 14 09:35:31 nullix: how do you switch? Apr 14 09:36:16 qi is walking all pattitions until it finds a bootable one? Apr 14 09:37:36 eMBee: i currently switch by delteing the file manualy , but i will write a script for each system later on Apr 14 09:38:29 ok Apr 14 09:38:51 and yes, qi choose the first non fat one that contain an image in boot but no noboot Apr 14 09:39:01 how would such a script look like? Apr 14 09:40:33 hmm, i guessit would just move the noboot file around Apr 14 09:41:33 * eMBee only has a 500mb sd card Apr 14 09:41:53 but 250,b should be enoughfor an image? Apr 14 09:42:02 250mb Apr 14 09:43:20 yes i thing so Apr 14 09:43:52 with 2x250 partition, you can have one alternate system and one data partition Apr 14 09:44:15 i don't really need adata partition for now Apr 14 09:45:28 then you can have two systems Apr 14 09:45:39 :-) Apr 14 11:45:06 i did upgrade my shr testing into an unstable and i am no usb g_ether ethernet conenctivity anymore ( and i don't have any application icon either ) Apr 14 11:45:42 either Terminal or xterm crashes Apr 14 11:45:54 don't now how to get access to it now .. Apr 14 11:48:51 got vte working Apr 14 11:51:22 modules.dep was missing, fixed with depmod Apr 14 11:53:26 nullix: vte? Apr 14 11:53:30 nullix: libvte? Apr 14 11:53:54 * saracen wonders if theres a possibility of replacing the gta02 screen with a capactive touch screen Apr 14 11:55:26 yes i did install vte something at one point in testing, i have been saved be this one Apr 14 11:56:33 well just to start this thingie was difficult, i created a vte app then add it in favorites then add start gadget and from mini start icon i manage to run vte... Apr 14 11:58:16 now i have ssh access again Apr 14 12:25:47 Is basic calling and gettting called, SMS, some decent navigation and agenda functionality working on the Neo Freerunner? I am asking this on behalf of someone else who has absolutely no intention to tinker with the device. Apr 14 12:29:30 fasta: if they dont want to tinker, point them to another phone Apr 14 12:30:05 its entirely usable, but it's not a "consumer level" device Apr 14 12:32:18 think of it more as a handheld/pda that happens to have a phone feature Apr 14 12:33:18 ndnihil: this person does wants to support open hardware, but at the same time just wants a working phone. If the phone doesn't have the above features it will basically be a donation, which is not the intention. Apr 14 12:33:47 it has those features, but he will have to set it up, and there is a learning curve Apr 14 12:34:09 getting it set up to use as a daily phone requires some effort and tinkering Apr 14 12:34:36 he could easily dual boot it though Apr 14 12:34:57 use android or something for regular use, and play with SHR/qt/etc... when he has time Apr 14 12:36:39 i wouldn't necessarily say that lots of tweaking is required (at least in my experience with the latest images), but what you will need is patience.. Apr 14 12:36:51 So, there is a navigation application? Apr 14 12:37:03 there's a few Apr 14 12:37:13 tangogps, navit, gpsdrive Apr 14 12:37:18 probably others Apr 14 12:38:59 tangogps and gpsdive a showing the curent current position on a map, not which street to take to get to an waypoint Apr 14 12:39:24 step by step directions are for women Apr 14 12:39:34 :) Apr 14 13:05:04 ndnihil: so android runs well already? Apr 14 13:05:23 haven't use it myself, but that's what I hear Apr 14 13:05:44 hmm, but it doesn't support ssh Apr 14 13:05:56 *shrug* Apr 14 13:06:19 s/use/used/ Apr 14 13:13:21 does shr support wifi? Apr 14 13:13:28 kinda Apr 14 13:13:58 what's missing? the gui? or drivers? Apr 14 13:14:13 it has both Apr 14 13:14:19 but it just doesnt work for some people Apr 14 13:14:22 oh, have not seen a gui Apr 14 13:14:26 like me for instance Apr 14 13:14:31 heh Apr 14 13:14:33 though to be honest, I've not tried very hard Apr 14 13:14:37 mofi is the gui Apr 14 13:14:53 oh, i was running that, i got an empty screen Apr 14 13:15:26 that means nothing was in range Apr 14 13:15:43 open a terminal Apr 14 13:15:49 and do an: iwlist eth0 scan Apr 14 13:15:50 i was less then 1m from my accesspoint Apr 14 13:17:15 from what I've seen, if it shows up in iwlist scan, it'll show up in mofi Apr 14 13:17:29 ok Apr 14 13:17:42 uses the same mechanism, so there's no reason it wouldnt Apr 14 13:17:56 of course Apr 14 13:20:58 eth0? there is no eth0 Apr 14 13:21:16 only lo, usb0 and pan0 Apr 14 13:24:23 "Note: The touch screen isn't part of the TPO TD028TTEC1, but part of the assembled LCD module (LCD display + Touch screen) that Openmoko gets from the factory." Apr 14 13:24:42 eMBee: ifconfig -a will show you all networking devices. Apr 14 13:25:00 I find this confusing... so if I was to order the TD028TTEC1, it comes with a different touchscreen to what the GTA02 is using? Apr 14 13:25:03 I'm getting `mmc0: error -5 whilst initialising SD card'. It doesn't happen always, but I have to remove the card, play for some time with the slot and put it back. I just both a new one, and we're back at the same point... Apr 14 13:25:07 anyone has any ideas? Apr 14 13:25:37 bought Apr 14 13:25:39 damn, I can't write Apr 14 13:27:00 i know, there is no eth0 Apr 14 13:29:23 oh, now it shows up Apr 14 13:30:31 ok, now i have the wierd situation that the accesspoint does show up in mofi, but not in iwlist scan Apr 14 13:30:35 how far should I insert the card into the holder so it will work best? Apr 14 13:31:04 it'll only fit properly one way Apr 14 13:31:34 notch on the sim towards the uSD and outside of the case Apr 14 13:37:49 on mine the sim didn't fits well, i had to put a slice of paper between silm and back cover to maintain the sim in place, but for uSD there is no special thing... Apr 14 13:38:59 * eMBee wonders what this moocow app does Apr 14 13:39:13 mickey|sun: could you consider applying the following patch please: http://cran.org.uk/~brucec/openmoko/rm_work.bbclass.patch It's the first of many fixes to improve portability Apr 14 13:39:32 nullix: I ended up sticking a layer of clear tape on mine Apr 14 13:39:34 to add thickness Apr 14 13:39:46 cingular branded 3g fireball sim Apr 14 13:39:51 73000 Apr 14 13:40:32 eMBee: it moos. Apr 14 13:41:35 oh, i have a sound isue then Apr 14 13:41:44 * eMBee can't hear anything Apr 14 13:41:47 grr, not again :( Apr 14 13:41:53 try modprobe snd-pcm-oss Apr 14 13:41:56 it wants to use oss, while you're probably running alsa Apr 14 13:43:46 ok, it moos now, but very quiet Apr 14 13:46:08 are SDHC cards fully supported by Neo 1973? Apr 14 13:46:26 By fully, I mean work without problems Apr 14 13:51:30 For example, can you boot from them? Apr 14 13:51:32 I'm not sure about u-boot, but once you have linux booted, they do work Apr 14 13:52:07 So it is possible that my phone is not booting because I'm trying to boot from a SDHC card? Apr 14 13:52:40 IIRC u-boot from OpenMoko doesn't work really well, but i see some fixes in u-boot mainline Apr 14 13:52:49 it's possible Apr 14 13:53:36 The situation at least has been such that u-boot couldn't load the kernel from sdhc on 1973: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Boot_from_SDHC Apr 14 13:53:58 workaround: load kernel from nand flash, use sdhc as rootfs Apr 14 13:55:09 and what methril said, I do seem to recall seeing some patches somewhere, but that'll need an uboot upgrade if true Apr 14 13:55:22 Thanks. I'll try to avoid uboot upgrade Apr 14 13:57:04 openmoko: 03Nytowl * r4967 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmspeakerout.state: Changed DAPM speaker out ( control.87 ) to true so speakerout works Apr 14 14:16:00 todays fso seems to work an paroli is instaled right beside zhone Apr 14 14:38:35 hi all Apr 14 14:38:35 :) Apr 14 14:38:44 hi Apr 14 14:39:00 if you like beer so you have to look at this - http://www.freerunner.netsons.org/immagini/birra.jpg Apr 14 14:39:20 :P Apr 14 14:39:40 hehe Apr 14 14:39:42 it is a mod to the plugin battery made by an italian fr user Apr 14 14:39:43 :P Apr 14 14:39:52 *battery plugin Apr 14 14:40:17 the mug is half full Apr 14 14:41:10 slaxxer: yes so charge it :P it is better when it is full Apr 14 14:51:43 sylar91: awesome, love it.. Apr 14 15:00:18 how do i had applications on my Desktop ? since my shr testing->unstable i lost all icons on Desktop Apr 14 16:02:48 hi all Apr 14 16:11:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re47892b75d3b 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Apr 14 16:11:51 freesmartphone.org: * [ogsmd] Support handling setup and tethering of PDP connections on our own. Apr 14 16:11:51 freesmartphone.org: * [ogsmd] [QUALCOMM MSM]: Handle setup the PDP connection. Apr 14 16:19:42 Does the raster keyboard support specifying the letter when both shift *and* caps lock are pressed (for example, when shift gets a different letter, and both should be uppercase when caps lock is pressed?) Apr 14 16:24:39 openmoko: 03rask 07stable * rb20cc520a227 10/board/neo1973/gta02/glamo-mmc.c: glamo-mmc: Enable reading from cards above 4 GiB Apr 14 16:32:50 wassa Apr 14 16:36:12 p Apr 14 16:37:07 lol Apr 14 16:39:54 having better luck with fso Apr 14 16:40:15 zhone an paroli side by side Apr 14 17:32:16 ahoi Apr 14 17:36:03 yay!, the phone will turn on reliably now Apr 14 17:59:21 rjune_: "Turn on reliably"? Apr 14 17:59:35 I had some issues with it the other day Apr 14 20:18:06 there is a way to have leds switched on in suspend? Apr 14 20:26:31 You cannot change the state of the LEDs while the host cpu is suspended. Apr 14 20:33:53 yup, but you can keep a LED lit while going to suspend Apr 14 20:34:48 originally the plan was even to have a way to dim the LED by hw-PWM. AFAIK there's some flaw in that though Apr 14 20:36:21 * DocScrutinizer takes some of the coffee mwester gave him. Then starts to think about the topic once more Apr 14 20:45:15 DocScrutinizer: how to keep led lit in suspend mode? Apr 14 20:46:28 lite it and stop suspend from disabling it during suspend start Apr 14 20:47:42 usually all IO should keep status during suspend. if it doesn't then sth is interfering with this scheme Apr 14 20:48:26 in shr where are suspend and resume scripts? Apr 14 20:48:32 i.e. is explicitly switching off LEDs' GPIO Apr 14 20:54:48 DocScrutinizer: leds should keep their state while fr is going in suspend mode? Apr 14 20:54:55 cyberalex: at one time there was a suggestion that you could blink the LEDs in suspend by scheduling RTC wakeups to toggle the state and then immediately re-suspend (maybe even in Qi, without involving Linux). Don't know how well it would actually work. Apr 14 20:55:39 mmontour: we're not talking blink yet Apr 14 20:56:00 hej DocScrutinizer Apr 14 20:56:01 cyberalex: that's the idea afaik Apr 14 20:56:07 hi mirko Apr 14 20:56:10 how's life ? Apr 14 20:56:53 jetlagged by inner clock skew due to dunno what Apr 14 20:57:16 no coffee around? Apr 14 20:57:36 my second glass ATM Apr 14 20:57:44 that's a start Apr 14 20:57:49 then need to care for breakfast Apr 14 20:57:56 iirc the glasses were rather smal :) Apr 14 20:57:59 +s Apr 14 20:58:02 -s +l Apr 14 20:58:21 nah, 0.4L Apr 14 20:58:45 may be 0.33 actually Apr 14 20:58:46 k, so less than my breakfast Apr 14 20:59:02 had to have 1.2l this morning before actually opening my eyes Apr 14 20:59:32 fruehjahrsmuedigkeit I guess Apr 14 21:00:01 hehe, more sleep deprivation ... Apr 14 21:00:22 just too much social-life Apr 14 21:00:26 which is rare for me :) Apr 14 21:00:41 so i switched to beer at this time of the day Apr 14 21:00:50 but soon I'll be on coffee 24/7 again Apr 14 21:00:53 longing for that Apr 14 21:00:55 :) Apr 14 21:01:24 what ya workin' on these days? Apr 14 21:04:52 a little bit of autocalibrating audio settings to care about differing mic sensitivity after buzzfix. also thinking of a way to check for the evil 1uF-0R in earpiece path Apr 14 21:05:17 i should seriously have done my homework Apr 14 21:05:23 alsa-devices hooks to replace alsactl statefile scheme Apr 14 21:06:29 and first of all: get a new job Apr 14 21:07:30 anything on the horizon? Apr 14 21:08:24 nah, flashing up and vanishing frequently Apr 14 21:08:33 hmm ... not too good Apr 14 21:10:10 I often think about the long talks on the balcony in TPE Apr 14 21:10:13 was very much fun Apr 14 21:10:19 and the chrsitmas plans :P Apr 15 02:05:08 I am getting a really strange error when trying to ssh into the freerunner, I can ping 192.168.0.202 but ssh gives me: ssh: connect to host freerunner port 22: Connection refused Apr 15 02:06:26 I am using this method for USB networking: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Ubuntu_8.10_-_Easy_Way Apr 15 02:29:08 oy Apr 15 02:32:28 braydon: does the error change when FR is suspended? Apr 15 02:33:19 just so everybody knows, don't use the rootfs provided by qtei Apr 15 02:35:01 what happened? Apr 15 02:37:34 well... Apr 15 02:37:49 ya know how first-boot for qte pops up the config screen Apr 15 02:38:18 well first-boot for qtei crashes when ever you try to press the screen to start the config **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 15 02:59:57 2009