**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 15 02:59:57 2009 Apr 15 04:38:06 DocScrutinizer: I had turned off suspend. I finally tracked down the issue, it was because I was setting my Computer to the same IP as the freerunner when I thought I was setting the IP for the freerunner. Apr 15 04:42:48 Hello 0DCC SEND "0101010101010101" 0 0 0 Apr 15 04:48:36 braydon: that's why I asked if there's different error when FR is suspended. If there's not, my next guess would have been exactly what you told was actual cause of the problem Apr 15 05:18:44 Build a better pcb Apr 15 05:18:56 use the same case Apr 15 05:19:21 move the mic to the other end Apr 15 05:20:20 maybe Apr 15 05:31:02 fools Apr 15 05:31:38 or acidheads Apr 15 05:31:55 who are the fools today? Apr 15 05:32:13 [07:18] Build a better pcb Apr 15 05:32:30 what a pile of nonsense Apr 15 05:32:53 even if u fix problems Apr 15 05:33:00 like audio (bass) capacitorbuzz fix Apr 15 05:33:07 and firmware update calypso Apr 15 05:33:14 u still have design issues Apr 15 05:33:21 like tiny usable touchscreen for fingers Apr 15 05:33:35 just generally empty case thus echo Apr 15 05:33:41 moving mic means change in case mold/design Apr 15 05:33:48 and the MOSt expensive bit is makeing any change Apr 15 05:33:54 1 tiny change in mold means a new mold Apr 15 05:34:03 and that mayaswell mean a whole new case design Apr 15 05:34:11 its about the same cost either way Apr 15 05:34:11 :) Apr 15 05:34:57 if u do new pcd and "slightly modified case" Apr 15 05:35:03 echo isn't likely to be caused by case design Apr 15 05:35:07 u can nicely do a complete radical change in case and pcb Apr 15 05:35:16 re-use components that are known to work well Apr 15 05:35:22 (gps, acceleromewters) Apr 15 05:35:23 yup Apr 15 05:35:25 replace those that suck Apr 15 05:35:41 DocScrutinizer: hmm i think echo is partly due to case deisng Apr 15 05:35:50 the case is pretty much full of empty hollow space Apr 15 05:36:07 audio will travel from speaker down to mic more easily in a gta02 Apr 15 05:37:02 there's been tests suggesting it's surface sound along outside of case, or maybe PCB-mechanic feedback Apr 15 05:37:51 both mic and earpiece are sealed to inside of case Apr 15 05:39:42 hmmm Apr 15 05:39:46 though for earpiece transducer it's not clear if it is closed on rear or emitts sound rear side as well Apr 15 05:39:54 that seems odd to me Apr 15 05:40:08 compared to other phones i've ripped apart the gta02 is crammed full of airspace Apr 15 05:40:25 they often have similar pcb setups Apr 15 05:40:34 that doesn't mean you found the reason Apr 15 05:40:39 sure Apr 15 05:41:06 but its the obvious big difference Apr 15 05:41:11 first of all other phones have carefully tuned AEC Apr 15 05:42:06 some of them even passive aka far end echo cancellation Apr 15 05:42:17 possibly Apr 15 05:42:18 e.g blackberry Apr 15 05:42:32 kills echo of FR ;-) Apr 15 05:42:44 heheheh Apr 15 05:42:52 no surprise tpe EE got puzzled Apr 15 05:42:59 "if you own a fr and use it.. only call people with blackberries!" Apr 15 05:43:00 :) Apr 15 05:45:09 then add to this the magic that is done in PBX of providers Apr 15 05:46:18 in the end you might find there's some 6 echo cancellation machines working on one call Apr 15 05:46:34 most of them dinamically adapting Apr 15 05:46:40 :-))) Apr 15 05:47:26 some even tuning to particular type of device derived from IMEI Apr 15 05:47:31 so it isnt the echoey case? Apr 15 05:48:07 maybe some of it is case, but surely not the major cause Apr 15 05:49:28 if you really want to proove, just fill case with PU-foam Apr 15 05:49:33 ;) Apr 15 05:49:37 hahahah Apr 15 05:49:41 no Apr 15 05:49:45 lead Apr 15 05:49:48 don't bother to disassemble then Apr 15 05:49:50 actually no Apr 15 05:49:56 that will propagate vibrationjs well Apr 15 05:50:01 yeah foam is good Apr 15 05:50:32 we all know from movies where they kill the alarm that way Apr 15 05:50:44 ;D Apr 15 05:53:34 somehow it seems odd to me that audio leaks from speaker to mic Apr 15 05:53:42 unless it just has zero padding Apr 15 05:53:47 but maybe pcd carry may explain it Apr 15 05:53:48 anyway before filling whole case with PUfoam I'd rather test a tiny blop of it applied to rear of earpiece Apr 15 05:53:54 maybe the case also carries it too? Apr 15 05:54:44 quite possible Apr 15 05:55:38 though then the case had to be highly sensitive to tap sounds (fingernail) as well Apr 15 05:57:37 admittedly there's some unrevealed mystery in the whole echo thing Apr 15 05:58:48 and another clear flaw of product specs not even mentioning a max for earpiece->mic coupling Apr 15 05:59:15 as mayerhoffer didn't care about things like that Apr 15 05:59:19 well if i tap the case with my fingernail Apr 15 05:59:20 a gta02 Apr 15 06:00:01 compared to this roker-e6 or i780 Apr 15 06:00:05 it makes more of a hollowy sound Apr 15 06:00:11 it should be like thunder if even earpiece makes mech feedback Apr 15 06:02:17 press the FR backlid against your ear, tap it, that's what you'd hear if mic wasn't decoupled from case Apr 15 06:03:25 DocScrutinizer: morning! Apr 15 06:03:32 moin Apr 15 06:03:57 DocScrutinizer: haven't see you for a while, how is everything? Apr 15 06:04:08 damn.... thios omap3 is fast Apr 15 06:04:12 have i said that before? Apr 15 06:04:56 jc: well looking for new ways to make my living and keep life interesting same time Apr 15 06:05:17 raster: I seem to remember ;D Apr 15 06:06:26 i just re-imaged by overo Apr 15 06:06:31 and popped up elementayr_test Apr 15 06:06:35 and.. everything is.. smooth! Apr 15 06:06:50 oh so smooth Apr 15 06:06:52 silky Apr 15 06:07:01 :) Apr 15 06:07:38 THIS... is one awesome-arse soc Apr 15 06:07:45 I'm more interested in PM and freq-transitions Apr 15 06:08:34 like 1us for context switch on IRQ Apr 15 06:09:12 resume from 0clock:<50us. things like that Apr 15 06:09:51 DocScrutinizer: got a question. I found some tobacoo and paper next to Taipei 101. Apr 15 06:10:28 next to or in a drawer at 10th floor? ;) Apr 15 06:11:27 jc: the one from drawer you probably may use up Apr 15 06:11:29 DocScrutinizer: zecke metioned those are yours. May I take some of them? Apr 15 06:12:06 DocScrutinizer: http://www.celinux.org/elc08_presentations/TI_OMAP3430_Linux_PM_reference.ppt Apr 15 06:12:11 take all of them. seems I cant use it before it expires "best before" Apr 15 06:13:51 raster: hard to open ppt on n810 Apr 15 06:14:04 * DocScrutinizer hates ppt anyway Apr 15 06:14:04 hahahaha Apr 15 06:15:47 DocScrutinizer: you got a n810? Is that good? Apr 15 06:16:34 ordered a second one, just in case I break or lose primary device. so yes, I like it Apr 15 06:16:57 DocScrutinizer: it's easy to get cig here, just miss the "rolling" part. rolling is fun. Apr 15 06:18:13 jc: enjoy some decent netherland tobacco then ;) Apr 15 06:19:00 we don't have n810 here:'( Apr 15 06:19:42 that's really sad for OM. Apr 15 06:20:58 oops, I mean nokia didn't sell n810 here. Apr 15 06:21:04 I repeatedly suggested OM should get a N810 for each developer, to have a good example to look at Apr 15 06:22:10 jc: basically nokia never sold them anywhere. you always need to ask for them, search and luckily find one in the end Apr 15 06:22:38 DocScrutinizer: call nokia to get one? Apr 15 06:22:52 they're EOL Apr 15 06:23:16 that's why I got me a second one now Apr 15 06:23:32 810 is eol already? Apr 15 06:23:40 htye must be damn close to the n900 Apr 15 06:23:49 I've been told Apr 15 06:23:57 i have heard so too Apr 15 06:24:03 well all the indications of them being close Apr 15 06:24:36 EOL in 2008Q3 Apr 15 06:24:47 sth like that Apr 15 06:24:53 oh well Apr 15 06:24:56 i might wait for the n900 Apr 15 06:24:59 skip the 810 Apr 15 06:25:06 i have an 800 n ayway Apr 15 06:25:11 its a good piece of hw Apr 15 06:25:18 nothing new of 900 Apr 15 06:25:19 honestly something om should have studied Apr 15 06:25:28 well n900 will be omap3 Apr 15 06:25:31 ACK!!!! Apr 15 06:25:37 and i understand also have a 3g modem Apr 15 06:26:10 that's the point. though no voice, just data Apr 15 06:26:18 u can do voice Apr 15 06:26:22 rumors Apr 15 06:26:26 u just have to do the encoding on the cpu-side Apr 15 06:26:27 i think Apr 15 06:26:34 sure Apr 15 06:26:39 ie u'd have to set up your own "data call" Apr 15 06:26:40 or do Vo80 Apr 15 06:26:48 voip Apr 15 06:26:51 yeah Apr 15 06:26:54 or just voip Apr 15 06:27:11 not too good on 2g (gprs) Apr 15 06:27:16 but mauybe edge+ it'd be ok Apr 15 06:27:22 though voip will drain bat on standby :-( Apr 15 06:27:34 ja Apr 15 06:28:18 constant SIP and STUN keep alive traffic, keeping umts transmitting Apr 15 06:28:30 I love my n800 Apr 15 06:28:31 yeah Apr 15 06:28:33 that will suck Apr 15 06:28:39 battery life is great Apr 15 06:28:54 keeping an irssi session in it running via wifi all day long Apr 15 06:29:11 that's what rasterphone will have to be alike Apr 15 06:29:35 hehehe Apr 15 06:29:42 joergphone Apr 15 06:29:49 k Apr 15 06:29:55 rjphone Apr 15 06:30:21 * spaetz wonders how the ideal spaetz-o-fon would look like Apr 15 06:30:40 like rjphone ;) Apr 15 06:30:44 actually an n810 comes pretty close, just the software needs more tweaking Apr 15 06:30:55 hehehe Apr 15 06:31:07 raster, I told ya Apr 15 06:31:41 DocScrutinizer: i know. 810 is good Apr 15 06:31:45 a little on the big side Apr 15 06:31:51 well I don't exactly *need* the dead bezel Apr 15 06:31:52 but missing.. 21g/3g Apr 15 06:31:56 err 2g/3g Apr 15 06:32:01 yeah Apr 15 06:32:15 if the phone was just the screen (active area) + 5mm Apr 15 06:32:17 perfect Apr 15 06:32:19 but kbd and screensize Apr 15 06:32:33 yup Apr 15 06:32:51 the problem is all those 4.3" screen have massive bezelz Apr 15 06:32:55 and they arent even Apr 15 06:33:04 they all seem to be designed for landscape Apr 15 06:33:09 and for a phone u'd want portrait Apr 15 06:33:15 * jc looking around to find my FR. Apr 15 06:34:37 interesting that the n800 is overall thinner than the fr Apr 15 06:34:57 raster: but larger, right? Apr 15 06:35:10 yes Apr 15 06:35:12 wider and longer Apr 15 06:35:15 sure Apr 15 06:35:27 but the screen is 2x the surface area Apr 15 06:35:28 has better larger screen Apr 15 06:35:29 raster: we have something from gigabyte, m528. any idea about that? Apr 15 06:36:02 dunno Apr 15 06:36:23 i would suspewct it doesnt come close to an n8x0 in terms of power consumption Apr 15 06:36:41 i know i've had my n800 be just floating about (Without suspending) for over a week Apr 15 06:36:45 and N810 has *awesome* touchscreen Apr 15 06:36:49 and thats while bing on my wifi netwokr too Apr 15 06:36:52 (and i can ssh in) Apr 15 06:37:01 atom is a power eater Apr 15 06:37:19 u wont see anything using atom come close to being a phone or touchpad thing like an n8xx Apr 15 06:37:28 raster: yes, m528 is atom. so, better wait for n900. Apr 15 06:38:25 c-ts eats some power too btw. all the time ;D Apr 15 06:38:31 DocScrutinizer: is n810 touchscreen different from n800 one? Apr 15 06:38:45 dunno. Apr 15 06:39:02 raster: yep as I said, power management with the n8x0 is really ?hantastic Apr 15 06:39:09 prolly not Apr 15 06:39:22 probably Apr 15 06:39:50 atom is somwhere about 5-20x the power consumption of an omap3 Apr 15 06:39:53 and thats just atom Apr 15 06:40:03 not including gfx, audio/video codec hw etc. Apr 15 06:40:04 just cpui Apr 15 06:40:17 and ther omap3 includes gfx (3d accel, 2d video overlays, video/audio codecs) Apr 15 06:40:18 liquid separator. high transparency and really sesitive Apr 15 06:41:35 an atom based boa4rd (whoe board) consumes about 30w Apr 15 06:41:48 a whole omap3 board (like beagle) consumes about 2w Apr 15 06:41:52 thats running full Apr 15 06:42:54 hehe 30W in a smartphone. we need to invent new fan technology Apr 15 06:43:26 heheh Apr 15 06:43:36 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07specs * rd87c0a3e56de 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Apr 15 06:43:36 freesmartphone.org: Changed signature of signal Apr 15 06:43:36 freesmartphone.org: Gypsy.Position.PositionChanged to new API Apr 15 06:43:36 again - thatsd a whole board Apr 15 06:43:41 all components going Apr 15 06:43:48 if u set things to idle stats Apr 15 06:43:55 and turn off stuff u'll be < 1w Apr 15 06:43:55 DocScrutinizer: put some label "Good for Winter TIme." Apr 15 06:44:06 lol Apr 15 06:44:58 now maybe project-B is a pocket warmer for arctic Apr 15 06:45:31 a gta-03 without the gsm/wifi chip? Apr 15 06:45:41 DocScrutinizer: "Pocket size heater" "Make you hot, anytime". Apr 15 06:45:55 hhehe yup Apr 15 06:46:27 playya: nope Apr 15 06:47:01 not exactly Apr 15 06:47:25 playya: PROJECT B IS NOT A PHONE Apr 15 06:47:28 ITS NOT RELATED TO A PHONE Apr 15 06:47:31 ITS NOTHNIG LIKE A PHONE Apr 15 06:47:39 54,74,90,2010 Apr 15 06:47:39 oops Apr 15 06:47:41 caps Apr 15 06:47:52 fixed Apr 15 06:47:54 damnit Apr 15 06:47:59 why do i keep losing my capslock mod Apr 15 06:48:01 anyway Apr 15 06:48:07 it doesnt even run linux Apr 15 06:48:27 to thinking of project b in any form of related context to anything om has done before is going to be wrong Apr 15 06:48:29 as you easily can tell Apr 15 06:48:55 DocScrutinizer: gta-03.........you can say that without gsm/wifi. Since that is only remaining in the memory. Apr 15 06:48:55 as there's nothing checked in mentioning projectB Apr 15 06:49:37 according to Steve M, Plan B is not a telecom product. Apr 15 06:50:19 sounds like a bunch more misdirection to me:) Apr 15 06:50:46 steve is right Apr 15 06:50:50 its not a telecoms product Apr 15 06:50:51 on purpose i mean Apr 15 06:51:02 its up to om to tell you what it is when it comes out Apr 15 06:51:04 ooh no Apr 15 06:51:07 its not on purpose Apr 15 06:51:10 i know what it is Apr 15 06:51:15 so does DocScrutinizer Apr 15 06:51:21 om is being honest (this time) Apr 15 06:51:25 it is not a phone of any sort Apr 15 06:51:28 not a wifi thing Apr 15 06:51:31 doesnt run linux Apr 15 06:52:22 it's A TOASTER Apr 15 06:52:27 hahaha Apr 15 06:52:34 told ya weeks ago ;-) Apr 15 06:52:35 "open toaster" Apr 15 06:52:51 raster: I know what project B is. Apr 15 06:52:52 totays tostares are too closed Apr 15 06:53:58 * jc checking the NDA paper.... Apr 15 06:54:01 i know that project-b has me about as excited as a cat would be over a lump of dirt Apr 15 06:54:10 i.e. not very interested Apr 15 06:54:39 it's up to om to release unto the world what it is.. when om decides to Apr 15 06:55:54 raster: keep it secret is good. Apr 15 06:57:17 how could people blame me, while the one send them e-mail has configuration error on his side. Apr 15 06:57:27 * DocScrutinizer wonders how much of his tributes to hackers will make it to MP for B Apr 15 06:57:56 jc: yeah. thats om's stuff. it's just silly for people to run around speculating that it is a phone or some other related thing when its stated it isnt.. and those statements are correct. Apr 15 06:58:42 * DocScrutinizer wonders even more if anybody cares Apr 15 06:58:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rf94a7f6ce723 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710mux/serial.vala gsm0710mux/transport.vala): rename serial to transport Apr 15 06:59:23 open toaster, mmh Apr 15 06:59:28 then it better has an atom board Apr 15 06:59:29 DocScrutinizer: i dont :) Apr 15 06:59:37 but i know what it is :) Apr 15 07:00:02 buhuhuhuaaaaaa ;-( Apr 15 07:00:25 nevermind Apr 15 07:00:33 another fancy Apr 15 07:02:24 spaetz, atom is too efficient for a toaster. maybe a POWER PC Apr 15 07:06:38 mobile toater. Apr 15 07:08:26 powered by a litium-fusion battery Apr 15 07:13:52 prefect match with bicycle. charging on the way. Apr 15 07:14:03 when you arrive, the toast is ready. Apr 15 07:21:35 * jc going back to fix other people's mail server. Apr 15 07:25:01 hi Apr 15 07:27:10 When I talk with other people, using my freerunner with qt extended improved, shr or fyp, a few people have problem with hearing my becouse of echo and buzz (but not all and I dont hear anything unusual). Is there a good workaround or a fix for that problem? Apr 15 07:28:42 beer_: buzzfix? Apr 15 07:29:15 year Apr 15 07:29:37 beer_: that was the answer actually. Do a buzzfix. Apr 15 07:29:57 how? Do you have a link ? Apr 15 07:30:54 beer_: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf Apr 15 07:31:55 tx, I will look into it Apr 15 07:32:55 beer_: as to the echo, i guess qte i already does everything needed to stop it. Apr 15 07:34:13 the v6 has no buzzfix yet, right? Apr 15 07:34:22 only v7 has ?! Apr 15 07:34:58 spaetz: some v6 are factory-reworked. Some are reworked by distributors. So no, wrong. Apr 15 07:35:02 good morning Apr 15 07:35:13 PaulFertser: I have testet it myself. There is a small echo. But I think you need to know that it is there to notice it Apr 15 07:35:14 PaulFertser: confusing. Apr 15 07:35:25 how would I know? Inspecting the HW? Apr 15 07:35:33 * PaulFertser wonders when people will actually start to use bluetooth headsets. Apr 15 07:35:41 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1793804a5085 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: transport: support freeze() and thaw() Apr 15 07:35:53 when BT headsets work out of the box :) Apr 15 07:35:59 spaetz: fortunately dissassembling FR is not hard. Apr 15 07:36:04 spaetz: don't they? Apr 15 07:36:20 I never tried, but so far I haven't heard of many that use BT, so I assume not Apr 15 07:36:29 I might be totally wrong Apr 15 07:37:08 and as alsa state files scare me a lot (never looked at them), I wouldn't be able to set volume anyway Apr 15 07:37:56 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r0523cc1a92af 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): otimed: make ntp server configurable Apr 15 07:37:57 spaetz: they should work. It's just that not many people try. Digital_Pioneer tried (it didn't work) it might be just an incompatible headset. I have a headset that's incompatible too. But infrastructure is there, soft is there. No OM-specific problems left (except bluetooth host controller that acts strange with some headsets). Apr 15 07:38:27 spaetz: volume is not a problem, there's a routing diagram that is easy to understand. Apr 15 07:38:37 spaetz: with all alsa control names printed over it. Apr 15 07:38:40 routing diagrams scare me too :) Apr 15 07:38:50 I just never got involved in the audio side of things Apr 15 07:38:58 spaetz: you just haven't seen the fancy version. Apr 15 07:39:03 hehe Apr 15 07:39:14 so using a BT headsed will solve the same problem as http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf ? Apr 15 07:39:14 beer_: got a BT headset? Apr 15 07:39:18 as I don't have a BT headset yet Apr 15 07:39:26 are there any known to work? Apr 15 07:39:35 or any standard that they should adhere to? Apr 15 07:39:38 beer_: yup Apr 15 07:39:53 nope, I can borrow one and if it fixes it I can buy one Apr 15 07:39:57 beer_: it's the other problem, but yes. Should solve the buzz if you use the headset mic. Apr 15 07:40:20 looks easyer than the harware fix Apr 15 07:41:09 spaetz: they should adhere to SCO (and probably eSCO) standard. And they do. The reason for incompatibility of my headset and FR is yet to be found, proved to be more difficult than i hoped. I even compiled the latest bluetooth kernel portions for FR, but it was of no help. The same headset works ok with my laptop. Apr 15 07:41:37 though I really don't know how BT assoc is suuposed to behave on wake from suspend Apr 15 07:41:46 spaetz: the other headest i borrowed was some fake jabra (probably) and it worked without problems (though i haven't tried gsm, as it wasn't ready at that time). Apr 15 07:42:19 mmh, probably I'll be able oto borrow one first and try it out. Apr 15 07:42:29 spaetz: the best approach, imho Apr 15 07:42:51 spaetz: use the latest wiki instructions by Digital_Pioneer (c) ;) Apr 15 07:43:57 beer_: beware, bluetooth headsets are still work-in-progress, so do not think it'll magically solve all the problems. It will probably solve buzz, but you might be surprised to find some new issues ;) Apr 15 07:44:51 2 steps forward and 1 step back is still progress Apr 15 07:45:06 like losing association when FR is supending Apr 15 07:45:08 is HFP, HSP something that I should know off? Apr 15 07:45:27 looking at a cheap SonyEricsson and it does 2.0 + EDR; HFP, HSP Apr 15 07:45:44 20EUR sounds affordable Apr 15 07:45:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r45b927cc48c9 10/libfsoframework/tests/testtransport.vala: fsoframework: add test for transport/freeze&thaw Apr 15 07:46:20 so on inbound call when FR suspended it might still be hard to use BT in time Apr 15 07:46:26 DocScrutinizer: i guess whenever the request to use a headset is made, it'll promptly re-associate. Apr 15 07:46:48 dunno Apr 15 07:46:50 spaetz: HSP is what you need. Apr 15 07:47:58 ok, thanks Apr 15 07:48:01 on other devices my BThs lost connection when I powercycled the host, and needed powercycle itself Apr 15 07:49:49 but then there the host BT was powercycled as well. In FR you can keep it powered up Apr 15 07:51:13 keeping it powered up sounds like sucking batteries dry Apr 15 07:51:38 hmm, yeah Apr 15 07:52:12 for sure there's good reason to fix buzz Apr 15 08:37:26 I have a problem with e. Almost every time after an unclean shutdown, it recreates all of its configuration and I have to set up fonts and stuff again. I'm using Debian. Any suggestions? Apr 15 08:38:07 I've already got under the 10 minute mark for reconfiguring it from scratch, but still... Apr 15 08:42:18 It seems that ~/.e/e/config/profile.cfg gets destroyed. I copied the fresh one to the backup of my old .e directory, and it didn't want reconfiguration. Apr 15 09:03:48 morning Apr 15 09:10:07 thrashold: Almost sounds like the whole ext4 discussion ;-) (It's not though, and I don't know what the problem is) Apr 15 09:18:23 freesmartphone.org: 03aapo.rantalainen 07vala-terminal * rd9b50c359472 10/src/ (mainwindow.vala terminal.vala): Added commandline parameters for colours and fontname Apr 15 09:21:53 Well, I saw why. My phone rebooted again, and e2fsck said half of files in .e were broken... Apr 15 09:29:53 hi, i've got an htc arte110 and want to install OM on it but i could'nt find a howto. i don't know how i can access the rom of the htc. can someone help me? Apr 15 09:36:01 Essentially - OM almost works on the released hardware. Apr 15 09:36:10 For anything else, you are entirely on your own. Apr 15 09:36:26 unless you can find a howto from someone that's done it. Apr 15 09:37:40 first you probably need to find out how to flash linux onto it - google - then you need to port a distribution so that it understands the hardware, ... Apr 15 09:37:41 but i did'nt find a generaly howto that describes how i can access the rom of my htc Apr 15 09:38:15 that's not a OM problem - it's a HTC problem - you'd need to find that seperately Apr 15 09:38:36 ok thx anyway Apr 15 09:40:22 good luck getting somethign working Apr 15 09:43:10 unknown: in general, there is no distro or software called OM anymore. Apr 15 09:43:39 unknown: see http://freesmartphone.org for API and reference implementation of middleware. Any porting work is appreciated and supported. Apr 15 09:43:42 PaulFertser: that is not quite true Apr 15 09:44:08 I am not against dramatization but that might be a bit over the top :) Apr 15 09:44:11 hi btw :) Apr 15 09:44:12 mirko-paroli: ok, technicaly speaking, there's OM2009 unstable. Apr 15 09:44:20 and now testing Apr 15 09:44:22 mirko-paroli: hi :) Apr 15 09:44:23 unknown: see #htc-linux channel for more info Apr 15 09:44:29 palf: that too Apr 15 09:44:32 and a release in summer Apr 15 09:44:32 ahh cool thx Apr 15 09:44:48 so technically speaking there is a OM distro Apr 15 09:44:49 mirko-paroli: but talking about "porting OM" doesn't make sense anyway, do you agree? ;) Apr 15 09:45:23 porting? hmm I would say that "porting" any of the systems from the FR would be the best approach Apr 15 09:45:30 rather pick and chose :) Apr 15 09:46:18 the question remains, which part of "OM" is drastically different from other distros ? Apr 15 09:46:18 mirko-paroli: btw, what's the reason to build OM instead of Angstrom? Apr 15 09:46:44 do those 2 exclude each other ? Apr 15 09:48:10 And I said porting a distribution. Apr 15 09:48:13 not porting OM Apr 15 09:54:57 DocScrutinizer, [CC: PaulFertser] Sorry, for touching you, but how it's going about papers? Apr 15 09:55:08 I already have tickets, and one more problem Apr 15 09:55:29 deperature time is 20'45, *monday*. Apr 15 09:56:09 max_posedon: monday? What date? Apr 15 09:56:16 25 may Apr 15 09:56:35 max_posedon: hm, how does it make any sense? Apr 15 09:56:40 (departure from Berlin) Apr 15 09:56:47 max_posedon: ah, why Berlin? Apr 15 09:57:14 ooops., I thought conferense in Berlin? I'm crazy? Apr 15 09:57:19 max_posedon: yep Apr 15 09:57:23 max_posedon: Essen, Apr 15 09:57:48