**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 19 02:59:57 2009 Apr 19 03:00:41 maybe port Kandy? would enable you to copy SMS and contacts between SIM and main storage Apr 19 03:01:03 my first priority is getting timestamps fixed Apr 19 03:01:21 what is the name of the packaging standard that freesmartphone uses ? Apr 19 03:01:33 AFAIK there simply are no stamps on SIM Apr 19 03:02:19 i'm sure there is, when late text messages came in on my other fones, i saw the original sending time Apr 19 03:02:27 but regardless, there is always gettimeofday() Apr 19 03:02:55 or maybe we should take care about the calypso RTC which starts a 00:00 1970 or sth each time you power up the modem Apr 19 03:03:16 linux handles that Apr 19 03:03:27 CVirus, fso doesn't use a standard. but maybe you mean opkg? Apr 19 03:03:28 nope, not for calypso Apr 19 03:03:30 oh, another bug. incoming calls don't honor timezone setting Apr 19 03:03:56 playya_: I'm talking about the naming conventions of org.foo.bar.zot or com.foo.bar.zot Apr 19 03:04:01 well, linux gets the time right very quickly after the kernel starts booting Apr 19 03:04:11 org.apache.foo Apr 19 03:04:17 yeah, but not calypso though Apr 19 03:04:20 CVirus, the DBus API? Apr 19 03:05:12 playya_: what naming conventions are those ? why start with org or com ? Apr 19 03:05:50 ok. its because of: you want to have a unique name Apr 19 03:05:56 Blu3: you are aware of the difference between "linux" (=main system, RTC in PCF50633 PMU) and calypso modem (own RTC witch is going beeep each time you power up the GSM)? Apr 19 03:06:08 yes Apr 19 03:06:34 and i'm saying that linux gets the time right, so that can be sourced when fixing up everything else Apr 19 03:07:26 And I'm suggesting to adjust modem RTC to get correct timestamps for SIM in the first instance Apr 19 03:07:30 possibly Apr 19 03:08:32 * DocScrutinizer pondering to create a FSO ticket Apr 19 03:10:22 CVirus, i don't know how to explain this in a short form in english. but it differs to the correct usage of URIs Apr 19 03:10:38 playya_: what distro and which kernel? Apr 19 03:15:24 #406 Apr 19 03:54:11 mwester, shr-testing Apr 19 03:54:18 kernel... 1s Apr 19 03:55:29 mwester, no 2.6.29 Apr 19 03:56:42 Can you build and test the latest kernel? Apr 19 03:57:50 tomorow Apr 19 03:58:04 i'm currently@ laptop Apr 19 03:58:20 i have a quad core @ 2nd home Apr 19 03:58:30 :) Apr 19 03:58:54 Ok. I reverted a commit that is thought to have reintroduced the WSOD problem... Apr 19 03:59:15 its faster to get there & build an image from scratch instead of wating > 2 days ;) Apr 19 03:59:21 If you can confirm that it fixes it, I'd like to confirm to the kernel list. Apr 19 03:59:27 wsod problem? Apr 19 03:59:36 White Screen of Death. Apr 19 04:00:18 Which we now know has several variations, including bands of colors -- it's timing-related. Apr 19 04:00:30 Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Wed Apr 8 04:59:39 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown Apr 19 04:01:10 mwester: even that seems to be half-confirmed at best Apr 19 04:01:19 Apparently, the kernel was chugging along without any glamo issues, so rather than leave well-enough alone, somebody had to try to tweak it to get a millisecond or two faster suspend/resume out of it. :( Apr 19 04:01:23 (timing) Apr 19 04:01:42 waaaahhhhhhh :-( Apr 19 04:01:52 is it related to the black/white issue? Apr 19 04:02:22 i build it on my own. not an official image Apr 19 04:02:50 but if i should attach gdb to a process: i have it on my phone ;) Apr 19 04:04:08 anyway back when (my investigations eported on trac) the idea was to fix WSOD by switching down PMU power for LCM, and (!!!) setting glamo interface lines tristate, during suspend. So for LCM a resume from suspend would be no diff at all to a regular boot which never seen any WSOD so far Apr 19 04:04:12 You'll have to update your shr build env to pick up the changes, but if you've built recently it should be pretty quick, just the kernel and couple of sundry other patches. Apr 19 04:04:41 ok Apr 19 04:05:02 DocScrutinizer: I have no idea what was ever done with that; that was an area that Andy took great care to keep everyone away from. Apr 19 04:05:02 i can do a build from scratch if you need a tester. Apr 19 04:05:21 No, don't need a build from scratch for this one. Apr 19 04:05:40 ok. testing or unstable? Apr 19 04:05:47 yup, and when I came up with this idea he stated "I've been there first, will be implemented next patchday" Apr 19 04:06:22 DocScrutinizer, 03/31/09? Apr 19 04:06:31 huh? Apr 19 04:07:18 the day before openmoko lost half of their staff? Apr 19 04:07:51 that's been quite some weeks before. Anyway what is the sory with this date? Apr 19 04:07:58 sTory Apr 19 04:08:49 I really don't get the (nonexistent ;) context of your question Apr 19 04:08:51 oh. i thought that was the date Apr 19 04:09:29 if it even was a question, not a typo to add the "?" Apr 19 04:09:34 andy:"next patchday"----- he's gone Apr 19 04:09:52 that's been sometime in 2008Nov iirc Apr 19 04:10:05 oh ok. Apr 19 04:10:29 i should follow the mailinglist more carefully Apr 19 04:19:01 good night Apr 19 04:25:30 night playya_ Apr 19 04:43:18 rather odd. with the current unstable shr, i can send sms but not receive. incoming mms lands on my fone fine but not sms Apr 19 05:55:01 PaulFertser: you noticed [2009-04-19 06:04:08] anyway back when ... ? Apr 19 05:57:15 DocScrutinizer: nope, just woke up, gotta read my backlog. Apr 19 05:57:53 PaulFertser: it's about WSOD Apr 19 05:58:00 I see now. Apr 19 06:00:23 DocScrutinizer: If tristating of all lines is easily doable, i don't understand why nobody tried that yet. Apr 19 06:01:08 DocScrutinizer: i'll try to put my FR to some 5C now to see if i can reproduce WSOD with the latest kernel (without the commit revert). Apr 19 06:01:16 I think it's feasible, or at least drawing all lines to low is Apr 19 06:02:37 iirc there's even some registers to adjust drivepower of the lcm-lines. nobody checked this as well Apr 19 06:05:35 PaulFertser: maybe shutdown of LDO is even implemented and wsod is some kind of sequencing/ordering issue on resume then. not so unlikely Apr 19 06:06:29 PaulFertser: or LDO is switched down, but glamo lines reverse-feed LCM Apr 19 06:06:54 DocScrutinizer: and it looks like only Andy and Nicolas know details atm, i assume. Well, not cool. Apr 19 06:08:27 PaulFertser: funny footnote: M800 has BSOD issue very regularly as well, so LCM and especially switching landscape/portrait of LCM seems flakey by design Apr 19 06:09:19 (this is windoofmoob6 with original toploy driver I'd guess) Apr 19 06:11:24 DocScrutinizer: hehe. Still there're no WSOD ever on boot. So tristating method should in theory work. Apr 19 06:11:28 PaulFertser: so our best bet is to "reboot" the LCM on resume (besides it's the correct way for GTA01/2 hw to suspend the LCM) Apr 19 06:12:25 LCM genuine suspend is for hw only that has no better way to powerdown the LCM Apr 19 06:12:35 DocScrutinizer: no surprise that original driver sucks. Almost all do afaik. Apr 19 06:13:43 I really wonder how much of this rationale Nicolas is aware of Apr 19 06:17:07 DocScrutinizer: the rationale you outline is dead simple. Turn off device, turn off every line that can feed power to him. Apr 19 06:17:21 exactly Apr 19 06:18:34 we didn't try to implement this when I was in TPE investigating wsod, as it inplicated cross-driver dependencies once again Apr 19 06:19:27 and Andy stated "I have already implemented that". Dunno if it's really and fully there now Apr 19 06:55:39 Just took my FR out of the freezer (-5C or something), unsuspended -- no WSOD. So not reproducible here :-/ Apr 19 07:00:31 hehe, I *know* this so good Apr 19 07:01:07 PaulFertser: you got a good LCM ;-) Apr 19 07:01:20 or whatever Apr 19 07:05:00 that's the spice in wsod-investigations. You just don't find a reasonable relation between test setup and probability of wsod showing up Apr 19 07:05:37 except temperature (well at least sort of) Apr 19 07:07:05 in TPE we found just *one* device (regina, #54. iirc) that reliably showed WSOD Apr 19 07:08:06 BUT lcm swapped to another device-> no wsod. #54 with different lcm->no wsod. So...??? Apr 19 07:09:23 maybe we should recommend to users suffering from wsod to swap their lcm ;D Apr 19 07:09:37 with each other Apr 19 07:11:06 Yep, read it on trac. Apr 19 07:11:24 (swapping LCDs) Great solution. Almost as great as buzz-fixing parties ;) Apr 19 07:14:12 hehe. never underestimate the social component in community. "first time we met we swapped our lcm. now we're married for 5 years..." Apr 19 07:14:38 you want to be careful though, I've heard you can get viruses that way Apr 19 07:15:01 lol Apr 19 07:24:11 PaulFertser: anyway I read 2.6.29 recovers from wsod with next suspend. when I investigated wsod, it didn't even recover on hard reset->reboot. only way was removing power from lcm. so this seems to indicate LDO switchoff is implemented in 2.6.29 Apr 19 07:32:03 morning Apr 19 07:32:11 mooo Apr 19 07:32:38 * PaulFertser feels powerless Apr 19 07:33:18 * DocScrutinizer offers to prepare a coffee for paul as well Apr 19 07:33:52 coffe is for the weekminded :) One shall drink pure coke Apr 19 07:34:36 Coffee makes me thursty. I see no pratical reason to drink it :) Apr 19 07:34:41 raster fan club president? Apr 19 07:36:50 we mustn't miss to get two extra cases of raster's favorite coke for fsoshrcon Apr 19 07:41:36 I think I would try the latest shr build. QT improved extended work nice, but I felt that I would like to try something "new" Apr 19 07:45:46 beer_: go ahead Apr 19 07:46:35 qi should be bether than u-boot? Apr 19 07:48:44 it seems to make the FR boot faster Apr 19 07:49:06 but there's no boot menu, so I'm not sure it's 'better' Apr 19 07:51:10 yup Apr 19 07:52:40 bruce_c: Had the same impression about speed Apr 19 07:52:47 bruce_c: What do you need the boot menu for? Apr 19 07:55:20 Defiant: to boot GSM-flashing uSD? Apr 19 07:56:04 DocScrutinizer: Can use the nor-uboot for that, or? Apr 19 07:56:14 there is other ways of flashing the gsm Apr 19 07:56:40 Defiant: you even should, exactly for this very reason :) Apr 19 07:57:27 beer_: but none that's nearly as uncomplicated and safe Apr 19 07:57:37 DocScrutinizer: I'm not even using the GSM of the freerunner... Apr 19 07:57:49 not my problem Apr 19 07:58:14 I don't think of that as a problem... Apr 19 07:58:58 I was using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#Phase_1:_Preparations yesterday without problems Apr 19 08:03:00 well the preparations aren't that difficult (if I didn't occasionally mess up the permissions of the files in my people drawer ;D ) Apr 19 08:05:41 nevertheless uSD method seems to become SOP recommended by OM Apr 19 08:05:59 for now it's recommended by me Apr 19 08:06:55 as all "HELP! I bricked my modem" calls were by using manual method Apr 19 08:07:14 caused by even Apr 19 08:10:39 Defiant: I don't. I'm just saying that for those people who like the menu or want features u-boot provides (like net-booting?) QI might not be "better". For me, I prefer QI's speed and don't need the menu Apr 19 08:49:04 have someone in tried the new om2009 from the 13. april? Apr 19 09:29:11 ahoi Apr 19 10:22:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r290a325a82cc 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py: odevice: audio: refactor audio player to support multiple player engines (covering disjunct formats) Apr 19 10:24:07 beer_: i tried the one from the 19 april Apr 19 10:55:25 neoclust: and, is it good? Apr 19 11:03:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r65ac2fde54f8 10/framework/ (6 files in 6 dirs): refactor killall into framework.patterns.utilities module Apr 19 12:08:09 anyone know an alarm clock for fso? Apr 19 12:11:24 ffalarm from opkg.org - good Apr 19 12:16:13 thanks Apr 19 12:19:04 segfaulted illume and can't find atd as a depend Apr 19 12:19:59 atd is in shr Apr 19 12:21:23 installed it and getting a 'no output' run error Apr 19 12:21:35 (for ffalarms) Apr 19 12:23:14 hmm time to give up building shr under FreeBSD. It's too linux specific :/ Apr 19 12:24:06 bruce_c: install a virtual machine with linux? ;P Apr 19 12:24:25 And come back a week later to see if it finished building ;) Apr 19 12:25:32 tore: I've done that - got a VMware virtual machine with Ubuntu Apr 19 12:26:04 I was hoping to get it running on freebsd though. I've got a couple of patches at least to make it more portable Apr 19 12:27:03 you could probably make a chroot with all the linux userspace installed in it Apr 19 12:27:10 under freebsd Apr 19 12:28:27 yup Apr 19 12:28:57 I've installed linux_base-f9 which should work. Apr 19 12:38:37 /Wi21 Apr 19 12:39:53 hmm. What bluetooth range do you get with the freerunner? Apr 19 12:40:01 my connection dies after 3m Apr 19 13:02:59 Defiant: seems within spec still Apr 19 13:03:54 DocScrutinizer: Without reading spec...an faw here says something about 10m typical Apr 19 13:04:45 found the problem btw...bluetooth receiver was not where it was supposed to Apr 19 14:18:20 freesmartphone.org: 03nytowl 07framework * rba6708abf2b9 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/otimed.py: otimed: apply patch from Angus to handle CTZV messages Apr 19 15:14:02 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r76e76aaffd09 10/conf/example/frameworkd.conf: frameworkd.conf: document ti_calypso_muxer entry Apr 19 15:14:03 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rde49aac3b949 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: patterns/processguard: introduce hadpid, so we have a handle to check for after a process ended Apr 19 15:14:05 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac37c927b78f 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py): Apr 19 15:14:05 freesmartphone.org: odeviced: audio: introduce AlsaPlayer using aplay for wav playback. Apr 19 15:14:05 freesmartphone.org: This should improve playback latency, if e.g. a .wav is selected as ringtone. Apr 19 15:33:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07artwork * rbad59486e083 10/sounds/ (LICENSE djgriffin-groove.wav): add new ringtone Apr 19 16:35:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r08aa67ed29fb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] report call mode (voice, data, ...) in org.freesmartphone.GSM.CallStatus Apr 19 16:42:24 hello Apr 19 16:42:53 i would like to use gps with tangogps and of course wlan with wpa2 and also have a nice settings dialog like enable wifi and stuff Apr 19 16:42:57 which distro should i use? Apr 19 16:44:03 if mofi can do what you want - any, if don't - no one. Apr 19 16:45:00 if you want GPS to be enabled on demand - FSO based Apr 19 16:45:04 qknight: debian isok Apr 19 16:45:24 qknight: shr Apr 19 16:45:40 qknight: shr-testing to be more precise Apr 19 16:48:11 http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ <- what to download? Apr 19 16:53:58 ok, i will try shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 Apr 19 16:55:12 yes indeed Apr 19 16:55:17 that is the one if you want to boot from NAND Apr 19 16:57:23 thanks Apr 19 17:24:13 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r882ca6eab68a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: do not bail out if call mode is != VOICE Apr 19 17:25:55 does someone has this issue with om2009? when i suspend the phone and start it again i can call because i have a window with numbers from 1 to 4 Apr 19 17:30:24 hey folks Apr 19 17:33:40 neoclust, isn't that to block screen and you have to press 1,2,3,4 to unblock it? Apr 19 17:34:18 Sharwin_F: aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh sorry i didn't understood this Apr 19 17:34:21 Sharwin_F: sorry :/ Apr 19 17:34:30 neoclust, ^^ Apr 19 17:34:48 so now i find om2009 very good :D Apr 19 17:34:55 neoclust, I knew that because I remember someone yesterday at the buzz fix party doing that hehe Apr 19 17:35:30 i've installed shr current but i don't have tangogps and using ssh+opkg install tangogps says it was already installed Apr 19 17:35:33 so what? Apr 19 17:35:58 qknight, it's problem of the .desktop file Apr 19 17:36:18 qknight, try doing $tangogps on the console, it should work :P Apr 19 17:36:43 to get an icon, modify /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop Apr 19 17:36:53 and set a right category Apr 19 17:37:05 I suppouse that should work Apr 19 17:38:28 Sharwin_F: you know how to block the tel ? ( the old left button isn't working now ) Apr 19 17:38:31 Sharwin_F: thanks! Apr 19 17:39:07 neoclust, nope, never used 2009 :P Apr 19 17:39:10 Sharwin_F: found one :) all changed :) Apr 19 17:39:25 but as you said, suspending it block it, isn't it? :P Apr 19 17:39:49 Sharwin_F: yes but i didn't know if suspens still allowed to receive call Apr 19 17:39:54 Sharwin_F: i tested and is OK :) Apr 19 17:40:13 good :) Apr 19 17:42:16 Sharwin_F: setting: Categories=GTK;Network; i n/usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop made it work Apr 19 17:43:44 qknight, there you have tangogps then ^^ Apr 19 17:44:41 is there a way to make a screenshot in SHR unstable? Apr 19 17:48:05 lord-carlos, install gpe-screenshot Apr 19 17:48:17 thanks Apr 19 17:49:00 lord-carlos, gpe-scap sorry Apr 19 17:49:43 lord-carlos, were you in barcelona yesterday? xD Apr 19 17:50:05 mhh why? Apr 19 17:50:24 i was drinkung with some friends yesterday Apr 19 17:50:29 *drinking Apr 19 17:51:19 i think there was someone who came from denmark, and you've a spanish name on the nick, so, just probable :P Apr 19 17:52:14 hehe Apr 19 17:52:16 ok Apr 19 17:53:15 tangogps is really great Apr 19 17:53:23 how can i check if this gps unit is working? Apr 19 17:53:29 the time it measured it correct Apr 19 17:53:53 does the system sync to gps clock? Apr 19 17:54:45 qknight, gps chip turns on automatically when starting tangogps Apr 19 17:55:02 you hsluld have a fix if you are in the right place for that :P Apr 19 17:55:27 the first fix can take some time Apr 19 17:55:50 yes it can Apr 19 17:55:56 thought mine was broken Apr 19 17:56:00 but I was just impatient Apr 19 17:58:00 i'll be patient then Apr 19 17:58:23 gps conditions are not perfect so i have to try it outside once that OSM download finished Apr 19 18:15:20 OK, I wrote this a while back: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner But now those dbus calls don't work. Does anyone know what replaced them? Apr 19 18:17:14 I am just wondering when gta02v8 will be out in the shops Apr 19 18:17:31 There's a v8 out now? I don't even know what v# I have... Apr 19 18:18:15 people have been tanking about a v8 that should be nearly bug free (hardware wise) Apr 19 18:19:35 And can I just trade my v? in for a v8 without buying a whole new phone? :P Apr 19 18:20:51 some of the fixed can be done by humans but you need to know what to do or you will brik you phone Apr 19 18:21:26 but I dont know if there will be free chageing of phones Apr 19 18:21:40 Digital-Pioneer: what dbus calls don't work? I guess i can deduce a new way, just tell me what exactly doesn't work. Apr 19 18:22:12 does the v8 fix the no-bass sound problem when using headphones? Apr 19 18:22:16 PaulFertser: Well, neither of the ones in the wiki section I made work... Apr 19 18:22:41 PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner Scroll down a bit, and there's two of them. Apr 19 18:22:47 lord-carlos: sort-off. Still 4.7u is far from enough. Improves, but nowhere near solves. Apr 19 18:23:05 One of them still appears when I get the list from mdbus but it just won't work. Apr 19 18:23:07 ok Apr 19 18:23:15 thanks for the info Apr 19 18:23:17 The SetBTHeadsetAddress one is gone entirely.. Apr 19 18:24:27 I'm doing an opkg upgrade now, hopefully that'll clear some stuff up. Apr 19 18:25:17 I'm rather hoping that bluetooth will 'just work' if I can figure out what dbus calls to make, since A2DP works beautifully. Apr 19 18:25:25 (Using mplayer) Apr 19 18:27:57 anyone develop a daemon to have the touchscreen disabled and enabled by pressing the aux button? Apr 19 18:28:21 badcloud: SHR used to do that, but it doesn't work anymore... :\ Apr 19 18:28:25 I want it back. Apr 19 18:28:30 Badly. LOL Apr 19 18:28:31 I hear you Apr 19 18:28:50 but how are you getting along without sms name resolution? Apr 19 18:28:57 and lost sms's, for that matter Apr 19 18:29:03 Very well, I don't SMS. :) Apr 19 18:29:10 roight, good Apr 19 18:29:35 I'm not gonna pay $20/month or c20/SMS for a service that it costs them 0/year to provide. Apr 19 18:29:49 good point Apr 19 18:29:55 Hehe Apr 19 18:30:06 so how long have you been using the fr consecutively? Apr 19 18:30:22 Uhhh, as long as I've had a cell phone. :P Apr 19 18:30:31 wow Apr 19 18:30:35 Less than a year, but more than 6 months I'd say. Apr 19 18:30:35 I'm impressed Apr 19 18:30:46 I had to rebound on and off to my old phone Apr 19 18:31:07 Heheh, I'm not important enough for people to actually call me. Just a random college kid. Apr 19 18:31:38 But a random college kid who's very proud of his phone. Hahah Apr 19 18:31:49 well, I'm struggling to use it as a biz phone Apr 19 18:31:58 I'm proud of it too Apr 19 18:32:04 but more about what it represents Apr 19 18:32:18 at this point, it's more about keeping a religion alive Apr 19 18:32:43 I always laugh at all those poor fools with iPhones. I mean, they COULD be dealing with segfaults and kernel panics, but NOOO. Instead they pay $3/day. Hahah Apr 19 18:32:49 LOL Apr 19 18:33:19 some days I wonder if that's worth the money Apr 19 18:33:33 not having to worry about segfaults and k panic Apr 19 18:33:42 not to mention apps not working Apr 19 18:33:43 I wouldn't pay $3/day for a phone if it made my breakfast for me. Apr 19 18:34:15 I'd ask for poached Apr 19 18:34:26 Besides, I'm already infamous as a Linux elitist, so I couldn't possibly reduce myself to becoming an iDrone. Apr 19 18:34:44 me too Apr 19 18:34:51 but I can't take the stress Apr 19 18:34:54 Hehehe Apr 19 18:35:28 Yeah, I get pretty mad at my FR sometimes, but then I threaten it with the idea of buying a G1 and it starts acting OK again. Apr 19 18:35:32 * mwester is pragmatist, and lives largely stress-free. :p Apr 19 18:35:39 Hahah Apr 19 18:37:18 I probably would've gotten a G1 if T-Mobile had service where I live. But then I would've had to live without the joys of SSH'ing into my phone, and what fun would that be?? Apr 19 18:38:35 PaulFertser: So any idea what DBUS calls to make to tell frameworkd I want to use bluetooth? Heheh Apr 19 18:39:12 the funny thing about freerunner vs iPhone is that I know around 8 people who own a freerunner but only one there might buy a iPhone (and he already has mac) Apr 19 18:39:36 I think that tells os more about my friends that iPhone Apr 19 18:40:03 beer_: Weird. When I got my FR, one person said they were pretty sure they'd seen one before, but didn't know who had it. I only know 2 people or so who even know what a FR is. Apr 19 18:41:31 Is there some metapackage I can remove that will get rid of all these hundreds of superfluous glibc locales? Apr 19 18:41:58 I really don't need Serbian locales on my phone, and it's taking forever to download them all... :P Apr 19 18:42:18 2 of my friends is making a keyboard to Andriod/cupcake-thing (as part of the studering), I am using it as a phone, and the rest is using it as a toy Apr 19 18:46:30 btw, just as you know it, The world os broken, 4 days ago a job agency did contact me and ask me if I would like to work for a MS golden partner in germeny (I am living in DK and cannot speak germen) and I have been using linux the last 3-4 year (and nearly one year on the phone as well) Apr 19 18:47:15 and therfore I am going to a job interview tomorrow morning Apr 19 18:47:35 Digital_Pioneer: Yep, now both should be set in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml Apr 19 18:47:41 Digital_Pioneer: could you please retry? Apr 19 18:52:46 I'll be able to use Neo as a phone when it'll have a PIM. 8( Apr 19 19:19:22 Digital_Pioneer: in fact, it should be specified in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml , the file i mentioned is a schema :) Apr 19 19:19:43 Digital_Pioneer: please retry and report the results. I altered the wiki accordingly. Apr 19 19:24:03 In fact, why doesn't anybody try to use bluetooth headsets? They should work, really. More testing is needed to collect information about problems, compatibility etc. Apr 19 19:24:29 I've got an h500 I can test with Apr 19 19:24:43 ndnihil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner Apr 19 19:25:22 I think I started screwing around with it once but got sidetracked Apr 19 19:25:58 bluetooth headsets make you look like a twat though Apr 19 19:26:09 particularly when people wear them when not in use Apr 19 19:26:14 * mwester is a twit Apr 19 19:30:13 PaulFertser: OK, should profilable be yes or no? Apr 19 19:31:18 Digital_Pioneer: you're not supposed to modify the scheme, sorry for the confusion. Though you can change Default to have a permanent setting, i guess. Apr 19 19:31:35 PaulFertser: So.. What do I change? Apr 19 19:31:38 Digital_Pioneer: set preferences in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml Apr 19 19:31:50 Yeah, that's what I did. Apr 19 19:32:10 Set enabled to true and put the BT address in. Apr 19 19:32:20 At the end of the file. Apr 19 19:32:23 Digital_Pioneer: Ok, did it have any effect? Apr 19 19:32:51 PaulFertser: Does it just work, or will I need to restart frameworkd? Apr 19 19:33:01 Digital_Pioneer: restart Apr 19 19:33:14 Well, I'm opkg upgrading right now, so I'll reboot after that. Apr 19 19:34:01 Can I remove all these occursed glibc locales? Apr 19 19:34:23 There's hundreds of them, and they take hours to download. Apr 19 19:34:44 Digital_Pioneer: just frameworkd restart is enough btw. Apr 19 19:37:52 PaulFertser: When I do that, my phone stops working right. Seems like other stuff gets confused. Apr 19 19:38:14 Digital_Pioneer: ok, take your time to upgrade :) Apr 19 19:38:44 Oh, it's taking its sweet time, that's for sure. Apr 19 19:47:27 PaulFertser: replace the entire section in rules.yaml? mine(SHR testing) looks quite a bit different than the snippet on the wiki Apr 19 19:48:02 sorry it's taking me so long, I'm watching 'Slave of the cannibal god' Apr 19 19:48:04 :) Apr 19 19:48:12 ndnihil: no, i guess recent versions already ship with correct rules. Just understand that the rule idea is to do - SetScenario(gsmbluetooth) and - BTHeadsetPlaying() Apr 19 19:48:23 gotcha Apr 19 19:48:53 ndnihil: in fact you can temporarily change - SetScenario(gsmhandset) to this two bluetooth-enabling strings (for testing). Apr 19 19:52:56 gator: 1, search party: 0 Apr 19 20:03:06 hrm Apr 19 20:03:22 /org/freesmartphone/Phone: SetBTHeadsetAddress failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod Apr 19 20:04:20 ndnihil: you're not supposed to use that 2 mdbus calls anymore, read carefully. Apr 19 20:05:04 ndnihil: or alter the wiki properly, i'm not in the mood of doing anything that complex atm, sorry. Apr 19 20:06:54 ndnihil: and in fact i'm particularly bad in writing end-user instructions. Apr 19 20:07:10 heheh Apr 19 20:07:21 I don't blame you, I hate documentation Apr 19 20:07:30 well, hate writing it Apr 19 20:08:58 ndnihil: moreover i'm not native speaker Apr 19 20:27:01 welp Apr 19 20:27:03 that sucks Apr 19 20:27:16 headset doesnt work, and now neither does fso-settings Apr 19 20:29:25 Does anyone tried blueman? Apr 19 20:53:39 hi Apr 19 20:54:01 i'm trying to update uboot to qi ( freerunner) but get the following error Apr 19 20:54:08 No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" Apr 19 20:54:15 from dfu-util Apr 19 20:54:28 tifereth: did you boot into nor? Apr 19 20:54:56 aux first then power Apr 19 20:55:09 should work.... Apr 19 20:55:29 could my dfu-util too old? Apr 19 20:55:41 don't think so Apr 19 20:56:10 * Q-Master had updated to qi ok Apr 19 20:56:41 whole dfu output Apr 19 20:56:43 http://pastebin.com/d23c3800a Apr 19 21:33:41 OK, my FR is connected to my laptop, but I have no usb0 on the laptop. I have one on the FR, but not on the stupid laptop. Apr 19 21:33:50 How do I get it back? Apr 19 21:34:10 I've got no use for a brick phone that I can't SSH into. LOL Apr 19 21:34:32 you have cdc_ether on your laptop? Apr 19 21:34:53 Yeah, it's always worked fine before. Apr 19 21:35:08 Just ran a upgrade and it won't show after rebooting the phone. Apr 19 21:35:27 * SpeedEvil plays a short clip of 'Printer Jam by matsubishi', containing the line 'try unplugging it and plugging it again'. Apr 19 21:35:33 i don't get this dropbear to listen on my eth0 (wireless) device Apr 19 21:35:37 Wait.... Apr 19 21:35:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#SSH_.28dropbear.29_and_LISTEN_on_all_interfaces <- this was what i tried, setting DROPBEAR_PORT=0.0.0.0:22 Apr 19 21:36:36 !!? It's not usb0 anymore, it changed to eth1. Apr 19 21:37:23 PaulFertser: You still around? Apr 19 21:38:47 just forget what i wanted, i use usb to copy that file now Apr 19 22:01:48 Digital_Pioneer: kind of Apr 19 22:02:25 PaulFertser: Heheh Apr 19 22:02:48 Fighting to get this thing working, but now the stupid settings GUI is screwed up. Apr 19 22:02:59 Locks up whenever it tries to load any settings modules. Apr 19 22:03:59 qknight: If you want to make dropbear function over wifi, I think you'll need to edit /etc/init.d/dropbear Apr 19 22:04:18 Digital_Pioneer: why do you use settings GUI at all? Apr 19 22:05:28 Because I don't have all the dbus calls memorized. Apr 19 22:06:31 Digital_Pioneer: for that mdbus supports introspection. Apr 19 22:07:04 Digital_Pioneer: i understand that "shr settings" is useful on the road. Not so useful if you have ssh access to your FR. Apr 19 22:07:05 Yeah, but does it support recursive scanning and semantic searching for methods? Hahah Apr 19 22:07:20 Well, I'd rather it was working on the road too. Apr 19 22:07:54 OK, screw this, I don't care what it breaks. I'm ditching all these blasted glibc locales. Apr 19 22:08:02 Sorry, can't do much about it. Was it shr testing that you opkg upgraded? Probably that wasn't the right thing to do. Apr 19 22:08:23 No, unstable. Apr 19 22:09:53 Well, i don't use SHR myself and even if i did, it'd be unlikely i could help you with shr settings as you don't provide enough debugging information. Sorry for that. Apr 19 22:10:41 Yeah, neither does it. Apr 19 22:17:42 Digital_Pioneer: sometimes having source and gdb is enough to get all the debugging information needed... Apr 19 22:18:36 True, but I doubt I've got the sources on here... Apr 19 22:20:03 Digital_Pioneer: the sources are available from http://git.shr-project.org/ Apr 19 22:20:33 Is there a way to blacklist packages? Apr 19 22:20:50 How the heck to I make opkg quit downloading millions of locales I don't want?? Apr 19 22:21:59 Digital_Pioneer: opkg fucking sucks, nobody's going to fix it :( i don't know how OE devs still tolerate its existence. Apr 19 22:22:21 why are we using opkg instead of apt? Apr 19 22:23:22 Sharwin_F: apt is slow on FR, i must admit. Though i prefer correctness to speed in this area. Apr 19 22:24:05 PaulFertser: Normally I'd complain at the language, but right now I'm ticked off enough to not care. LOL Apr 19 22:24:20 xD Apr 19 22:24:30 * Sharwin_F goes to sleep, byebye Apr 19 22:25:01