**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 24 02:59:57 2009
Apr 24 03:12:00 <Blu3> hmm, i guess unstable broke :>
Apr 24 03:15:32 <Blu3> is the downloads.openmoko.org repo out of sync?  update & upgrade yields a bunch of 404s
Apr 24 04:16:35 * hipitihop waves good afternoon to the residents
Apr 24 04:17:59 <hipitihop> I flashed latest unstable SHR but cannot SSH in, is this a known problem or is it likely to eb my Ubuntu machine which did work before but perhaps something has changed.
Apr 24 04:24:33 <rooly> hipitihop: did you first-boot without the usb plugged in?
Apr 24 04:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> mooo
Apr 24 04:32:52 <allagator> helps to use the terminal and do some double checks ie ; modprobe g_ether ; ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0; 
Apr 24 04:33:28 <allagator> #EXTRA_OECONF += "N810"
Apr 24 04:33:42 <allagator> diregard that
Apr 24 04:33:47 <allagator> dis*
Apr 24 04:35:29 <hipitihop> rooly: no, first booot & second with sub plugged in
Apr 24 04:36:23 <allagator> did you try those things from the moko's terminal or? giving up?
Apr 24 04:37:07 <hipitihop> allagator: if that is aimed at me, no did not try, and not giving up.. booting without usb plugged in first
Apr 24 04:37:18 <allagator> :D
Apr 24 04:37:28 <allagator> only windows "fixes" things with reboots
Apr 24 04:37:59 <hipitihop> allagator: heh expect as much
Apr 24 04:38:11 <rhkfin> allagator: well, 2008.12 has to be restarted after the first installation to get usb/ssh up&running..
Apr 24 04:38:20 <allagator> also sometimes check your host's  ifconfig -a  <sometimes mine likes to not use dev id usb0 instead using eth1"
Apr 24 04:38:59 <allagator> happens so often i made a second /etc/network/interfaces entry for eth1
Apr 24 04:39:20 <allagator> mirroring what usb0 currently is (iptables forwarding ip setup etc
Apr 24 04:40:22 <hipitihop> allagator: yes looked at my interfaces and it is nearly empty, onlye has "auto lo
Apr 24 04:40:22 <hipitihop> iface lo inet loopback"
Apr 24 04:41:13 <allagator> whatabout diagnostics on the neo?
Apr 24 04:42:02 <hipitihop> ok reboot seems to have had no effect, no surprise
Apr 24 04:42:20 * allagator tries to wipe the shit eating grin off his face
Apr 24 04:43:08 * hipitihop hands allagator a napkin
Apr 24 04:43:58 <hipitihop> ifconfig -a on host does not show any usb0
Apr 24 04:44:21 <allagator> modprobe g_ether
Apr 24 04:44:35 <allagator> depending on what the output says...
Apr 24 04:45:56 <hipitihop> "sudo modprobe g_ether
Apr 24 04:45:56 <hipitihop> FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device
Apr 24 04:45:56 <hipitihop> "
Apr 24 04:46:44 <allagator> thats a brain buster
Apr 24 04:47:37 <hipitihop> I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with wicd, as I said /etc/network/interfaces almost empty
Apr 24 04:48:28 <allagator> you dont have to touch that
Apr 24 04:48:51 <allagator> modprobe that on your neo
Apr 24 04:49:00 <allagator> did you do that on your host machine!?
Apr 24 04:49:08 <allagator> *sigh*
Apr 24 04:49:57 <hipitihop> yes, sorry, just showed my noobness again
Apr 24 04:52:25 <hipitihop> allagator: 'modprobe g_ether' on neo returns nothing
Apr 24 04:52:34 <allagator> that means it succeeded
Apr 24 04:53:00 <allagator> now just for completeness on the neo run "ifdown usb0; ifup usb0"  
Apr 24 04:53:28 <allagator> and try sshing in   may have to ifupdown on the host ubuntu aswell
Apr 24 04:54:40 <allagator> and that should make it "completo" (spanish)
Apr 24 04:58:25 <hipitihop> allagator: ifup usb0 on neo returns "no wireless extensions" which I assume is reasonable for a non wireless device :-) ... ssh still not wokring
Apr 24 04:58:41 <allagator> thats normal
Apr 24 04:58:54 <allagator> hm..
Apr 24 04:59:25 <hipitihop> if I try ifup usb0 on host "no such device"
Apr 24 04:59:29 <allagator> ifconfig usb0 (ubuntu)  show a device?
Apr 24 04:59:32 <allagator> ah
Apr 24 04:59:35 <allagator> eth1?
Apr 24 04:59:59 <hipitihop> "Device not found"
Apr 24 05:00:11 <allagator> well now its ubuntu's fault
Apr 24 05:00:25 <allagator> lsmod |grep cdc_ether
Apr 24 05:02:00 <hipitihop> assuming you want only usb stuff "usbcore               175760  11 cdc_acm,cdc_ether,usbnet,btusb,uvcvideo,usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd"
Apr 24 05:03:11 <allagator> i had that sorta stuff happen to me on ubuntu awhile ago
Apr 24 05:03:13 <hipitihop> btw, 'lsusb' returns "Bus 008 Device 036: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network"
Apr 24 05:03:27 <allagator> try rmmod cdc_ether
Apr 24 05:03:32 <allagator> and remodprobe it
Apr 24 05:03:37 <hipitihop> I know flshing it still works using neotool/dfutil
Apr 24 05:04:39 <allagator> unplugging /replugging repeating the other things and crossing fingers that it appears/ hell reboot ubuntu even (its been taking on a similarity with windows lately) 
Apr 24 05:05:40 <allagator> but the neo is fine 
Apr 24 05:06:44 <hipitihop> hmm, most strange... ok thanks for your time trying... I'll reboot when it is convenient... running XP virtualized for another dev environment etc. rebooting a pain
Apr 24 05:07:44 <allagator> dont forget to scan http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking  
Apr 24 05:08:30 <hipitihop> yes I'll have another look... had everyhting working a couple of weeks ago.. no idea what ubuntu has done
Apr 24 05:08:46 <allagator> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/130437
Apr 24 05:08:51 <allagator> ew looky there
Apr 24 05:09:01 <allagator> helpfull nugget
Apr 24 05:09:26 <hipitihop> I know I have only been running SHR since early april, and I know I ssh'ed in then, installed Qwo keyboard, omerotate etc
Apr 24 05:11:36 <allagator> its aparently a known bug with ubuntu
Apr 24 05:12:20 <hipitihop> strange it hasn't effected me before and it mentions gutsy, I'm on intrepid
Apr 24 05:14:33 <allagator> oh god they came out with a new name!?
Apr 24 05:14:44 <allagator> must be that time of the month
Apr 24 05:14:48 <allagator> :D
Apr 24 05:15:05 <hipitihop> yes next one is a real Aussie one
Apr 24 05:15:29 <allagator> isnt intrepid the name of a nasa spoacecraft aswell
Apr 24 05:15:46 <hipitihop> <shrug>
Apr 24 05:16:25 <hipitihop> hmm, towards bottom someone claims that neither of the fixes work on Intrepid Ibex
Apr 24 05:16:25 <allagator> hey its cool cause the lower half of intrpid is still on the moon
Apr 24 05:16:53 <allagator> and will probably be there for...
Apr 24 05:18:34 * hipitihop ponders weather to upgrade to 9.04 which came out today
Apr 24 05:18:49 * hipitihop ponders if he ever learns to spell
Apr 24 05:21:43 <hipitihop> allagator: ok, rebooting, back in a bit
Apr 24 05:34:28 <hipitihop> allagator: ok, and host reboot does not appear to ave fixed it either
Apr 24 05:36:19 <allagator> hm
Apr 24 05:36:33 <allagator> i've run out of ideas
Apr 24 05:39:13 <hipitihop> no idea what has changed, the most major change it flashing latest SHR unstable
Apr 24 05:39:27 <hipitihop> tempted to reflesh back to previous to see
Apr 24 05:39:46 <allagator> testing cant hurt
Apr 24 05:40:22 <allagator> last i heard they migrated unstable to testing but it gets looked after more carefully
Apr 24 05:43:43 <hipitihop> but as you say, you feel the neo is fine
Apr 24 05:45:18 <allagator> i'd think
Apr 24 05:45:56 <allagator> cant hurt to try
Apr 24 05:46:15 <allagator> worst it does is kill time and piss you off
Apr 24 05:49:11 <hipitihop> allagator: well, well, well
Apr 24 05:49:28 <hipitihop> refalsged just the kernel and away we go
Apr 24 05:49:45 <hipitihop> so who & how do I report that ?
Apr 24 05:50:06 <hipitihop> I guess just post it on the list
Apr 24 05:52:58 <hipitihop> any SHR or kernel devs here ?
Apr 24 05:58:16 <allagator>  try #openmoko-cdevel 
Apr 24 05:58:32 <allagator> they're pretty active in there 
Apr 24 06:34:57 <beer_> is there a guide to disasmple a freerunner so I can apply the buzz fix?
Apr 24 07:20:40 <methril|work> morning
Apr 24 08:13:15 <Beers> is there a guide to take a Freerunner appart so I can apply the buzz fix?
Apr 24 08:42:43 <PierreN> does anyone know where to get the glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr
Apr 24 08:42:52 <PierreN> for shr testing please ?
Apr 24 08:42:59 <PierreN> because :
Apr 24 08:43:04 <PierreN> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list | grep glibc-binary-localedata
Apr 24 08:43:04 <PierreN> glibc-binary-localedata-en-us - 2.6.1-r15 - binary locale definition for en-us
Apr 24 08:43:07 <PierreN> :s
Apr 24 08:47:05 <jc> PierreN: downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk
Apr 24 08:47:44 <max_posedon> PierreN, try opkg update before
Apr 24 08:47:49 <PierreN> max_posedon: i did
Apr 24 08:48:03 <PierreN> jc : thanks
Apr 24 08:48:09 <max_posedon> which disto you use?
Apr 24 08:48:16 <jc> PierreN: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r6_armv4t.ipk
Apr 24 08:48:16 <jc> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk
Apr 24 08:48:16 <jc> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv6/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv6.ipk
Apr 24 08:48:16 <jc> http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk
Apr 24 08:48:38 <PierreN> which one tu use jc ?
Apr 24 08:48:44 <PierreN> max_posedon: shr testing
Apr 24 08:49:44 <jc> PierreN: to be honest, I have no idea.
Apr 24 08:50:47 <jc> PierreN: I wish I could tell you, but I couldn't.
Apr 24 08:51:00 <PierreN> ok
Apr 24 08:51:15 <PierreN> prefer the unstable one
Apr 24 08:52:38 <Beers> is there a nice guide how to take  a freerunner apart so I can apply the buzzfiz?
Apr 24 08:53:01 <max_posedon> PierreN, you shouldn't
Apr 24 08:53:09 <max_posedon> all devs forgot about unstable
Apr 24 08:53:22 <max_posedon> you should just file a bug, or ask them about your problem
Apr 24 08:54:22 <tore> &Wi22
Apr 24 09:02:21 <jc> PierreN: you might check your source setting to find out which one is closed to your need.
Apr 24 09:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> Beers: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973
Apr 24 09:26:18 <Hopscotch> good morning
Apr 24 09:26:39 <Beers> that is for 1973 but is it the same for freerunner?
Apr 24 09:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> Beers: yup
Apr 24 09:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> Beers: U know, case hasn't changed
Apr 24 11:18:53 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0948f9071286 10/vapi/evas.vapi: 
Apr 24 11:18:53 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: evas.vapi: Canvas is now a real class with its assorted functions
Apr 24 11:18:53 <CIA-45> freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Please use consistent lexical style
Apr 24 12:06:48 <hipitihop> anyone flashed SHR unstable Apr 23 (latest) including kernel and can connect via SSH ?
Apr 24 12:07:44 <max_posedon> forget about shr-unstable temporary, use shr-testing
Apr 24 12:08:08 <Beers> hipitihop: I did
Apr 24 12:09:21 <hipitihop> max_posedon: I previously had unstable from Apr 9. So where about is shr-testing in that range ?
Apr 24 12:09:53 <max_posedon> shr-testing is a `branch`
Apr 24 13:01:30 <TAsn> hipitihop, the interface changed name to ethX instead of usbX so change you connection commands on the computer.
Apr 24 13:32:28 <PierreN> i'm trying to install shr unstable on my device with latest build... works fine but i can't neither ping it nor ssh to it... is it a known issue please ?
Apr 24 13:33:02 <PierreN> oops sorry
Apr 24 13:33:27 <PierreN> just few lines "ago" same problem...
Apr 24 14:58:18 <kinneh> there is no accelerometer in neo right? 
Apr 24 14:58:50 <max_posedon> if 2 means no, then yes.
Apr 24 14:59:17 <kinneh> ok 
Apr 24 14:59:59 <mjr> kinneh, no in neo 1973, yes in neo freerunner
Apr 24 15:00:10 <kinneh> yes I thought so
Apr 24 15:00:21 <kinneh> from linuxdevices.com The "Neo FreeRunner" resembles OpenMoko's original Neo1973 model, but with WiFi, 3D accelerometers, and a faster processor
Apr 24 15:25:22 <Bert_2> the latest shr-unstable's interface when connected to a PC shows up as eth2 on my PC and no longer as usb0, is this a bug or a change to the system or something ?
Apr 24 15:28:49 <Weiss> Bert_2: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-April/005384.html
Apr 24 15:31:24 <Bert_2> Weiss: sorry, hadn't checked that, I'll change my auto connect scripts to the new way of doing things
Apr 24 15:32:01 <Bert_2> Weiss: the only odd thing is that I'm using uBoot but still get the official mac, altought the post claims I shouldn't
Apr 24 15:32:27 <Bert_2> Weiss: or wait, unstable should always do it (I read testing instead of unstable)
Apr 24 15:33:24 <Weiss> hmm, dont know any further details i'm afraid :0
Apr 24 15:34:51 <Bert_2> Weiss: no problem, I know enough, thanks
Apr 24 15:35:18 <Bert_2> but now I'mm off, I have to focus on installing openmoocow :D :P
Apr 24 15:54:55 <vininim> uh, all of sudden usb networking by using a 28 bit netmask stopped working
Apr 24 15:55:37 <slaxxer> is it shr unstable?
Apr 24 15:56:36 <vininim> too, but i tried om.2009 snapshot and it's the same
Apr 24 15:56:47 <vininim> not the usb0 -> eth1 issue
Apr 24 16:53:14 <wurp2> Is anyone using a bluetooth keyboard with a recent SHR release?
Apr 24 16:53:21 <wurp2> It doesn't work for me (It used to work just fine, but that was months ago)
Apr 24 17:02:48 <slaxxer> wurp2 what bt keyboard do u have?
Apr 24 17:05:13 <wurp2> slaxxer: iGo ThinkOutside
Apr 24 21:49:26 <PierreN> anyone here using fatfingershell ?
Apr 24 21:49:34 <PierreN> i can't get it started
Apr 24 21:50:41 <eolson1> worked for me (i'm running fso 5.1)
Apr 24 21:53:28 <eolson1> make sure you have dependencies installed and type ./fatfingershell.sh.  if you paste the error, someone here might know the problem
Apr 24 21:56:41 <eolson1> (maybe "I'm using shr" is more accurate than fso, since I have shr package feeds)
Apr 24 22:03:35 <PierreN> eolson1: i'm on shr testing
Apr 24 22:04:39 <PierreN> here is what i got : http://pastie.org/457580
Apr 24 22:05:35 <PierreN> the screen is switched, but it doesnt display neither a console nor a keyboard. and few seconds later, screen come back in normal state
Apr 24 22:06:51 <PierreN> and installed opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 libsdl-ttf
Apr 24 22:07:03 <PierreN> done a  export TERM=vt100
Apr 24 22:07:19 <allagator> oh neat i have to install that
Apr 24 22:07:39 <shellevil> IIRC the default termcap may not have vt100 in it
Apr 24 22:07:44 <eolson1> PierreN, do you have bash installed?
Apr 24 22:08:10 <eolson1> and did you create a .bashrc with "export TERM=vt100" ?
Apr 24 22:08:13 <allagator> libsdl_ttf?
Apr 24 22:08:25 <allagator> http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt
Apr 24 22:08:49 <eolson1> allagator, libsdl-ttf
Apr 24 22:15:38 <PierreN> well bash was missing
Apr 24 22:16:08 <PierreN> though that i had it since i have /shell/ accesse through ssh
Apr 24 22:16:36 <eolson1> makes sense, does it work?
Apr 24 22:16:46 <allagator> ash 
Apr 24 22:16:47 <PierreN> yes perfectly
Apr 24 22:16:52 <eolson1> cool :)
Apr 24 22:17:04 <PierreN> are you the author ?
Apr 24 22:17:11 <eolson1> no, i just tried it a couple days ago :)
Apr 24 22:17:15 <PierreN> ok ^^
Apr 24 22:17:17 <PierreN> cool app
Apr 24 22:17:38 <PierreN> now an "sms" and "dial" command line app would be cool to
Apr 24 22:18:07 <PierreN> ^^
Apr 24 22:19:27 <eolson1> yeah, I practiced typing a little.  I "think" I could learn to type pretty fast with that, but a slightly bigger screen would have helped for the top row.
Apr 24 22:19:56 <allagator> could do without the sound junk
Apr 24 22:20:29 * eolson1 nods to allagator
Apr 24 22:20:33 <PierreN> yes top keys are "hard" to get (it slows your typing)
Apr 24 22:20:40 <allagator> ./fatfingershell -e bash   <--- looks like the only part that "needs" bash you coulda tried ./fatfindershel -e /bin/sh i bet
Apr 24 22:21:03 <allagator> (fatfingershell.sh)
Apr 24 22:21:10 <PierreN> or ./fatfingershell.sh -e zsh ?
Apr 24 22:21:25 <PierreN> does anyone tried to port zsh to freerunner ?
Apr 24 22:21:28 <eolson1> right, well, there's probably a reason the default sh didn't work.
Apr 24 22:21:37 <PierreN> that would be cool to =)
Apr 24 22:21:52 <PierreN> did anyone try*
Apr 24 22:22:20 <allagator> not that i really mind cause i love bash
Apr 24 22:22:35 <allagator> echo $RAND
Apr 24 22:22:43 <PierreN> zsh is better i believe
Apr 24 22:23:56 <PierreN> not so fast and lightweight that's true (so not really designed for portable devices, but who cares ?), but much more powerfull & easy to use
Apr 24 22:28:26 <shellevil> 'No, my phone can't download from itunes, but here - look at the shell syntax!'
Apr 24 22:29:46 <allagator> but my phone can torrent :D
Apr 24 22:29:55 <PierreN> ^^
Apr 24 22:30:03 <allagator> scew itunes
Apr 24 22:30:08 <shellevil> at how many kilobits? :)
Apr 24 22:30:24 <PierreN> assuming you have wifi, very fast
Apr 24 22:30:26 <allagator> actually my phone doesnt have a torrent client
Apr 24 22:30:47 <allagator> my space is already kinda used up
Apr 24 22:30:48 <PierreN> well it would work with a debian distro
Apr 24 22:31:00 <allagator> ctorrent or somethin
Apr 24 22:31:05 <allagator> rtorrent
Apr 24 22:35:42 <allagator> took a lil hackery but my .desktop works for it  exec=cd ~/fatfinger/ && ./fat.sh
Apr 24 22:43:03 <eolson1> shellevill, bandwidth is irrelevant if your world is ascii. :)
Apr 24 22:44:23 <shellevil> no, it's not.
Apr 24 22:44:42 * shellevil has used 1200/75
Apr 24 22:45:40 <eolson1> shellevil, maybe I mean:  if your bandwidth is really low (gprs), your world is ascii
Apr 24 22:46:39 <eolson1> i'll just pretend i'm in the matrix
Apr 24 22:47:46 <allagator> well being a console whore could really be tough on a phone with 2 buttons
Apr 24 22:48:19 <PierreN> well with fatfingershell it is not
Apr 24 22:49:04 <PierreN> it's easier to type an sms on this shell than in casual illume keyboard, no ?
Apr 24 22:49:36 <allagator> be nice if the illume keyboard had fatfingers way of doing things
Apr 24 22:50:08 <eolson1> yes, I saw an shr person mention the idea on the mailing list.  I don't think anyone's doing it yet, but you could ask in #openmoko-cdevel
Apr 24 22:50:34 <eolson1> (fatfinger/transparent keyboard in illume/shr)
Apr 24 22:52:20 <PierreN> i believe that a simple sms command line app would be easier to implement
Apr 24 22:52:57 <PierreN> then when clicking on "answer a sms" on the normal sms app, redirecting to the shell 
Apr 24 22:54:22 <PierreN> have a good night (or a good morning)
Apr 24 22:54:42 <neoclust> damn my openmoko doesn't start anymore when i press the start button :/
Apr 24 22:55:15 <PierreN> neoclust: even with a long press ?
Apr 24 22:55:23 <neoclust> PierreN: yes
Apr 24 22:55:53 <neoclust> PierreN: i just updated it to latest 2009 snapshot and now ( i know this is unrelated )  it doesn't start
Apr 24 22:56:08 <neoclust> PierreN: if i plug it , the pc doesn't detect it
Apr 24 22:56:21 <PierreN> hint that worked for me : remove battery. press aux (and do not release it) then put battery, press power button then release aux.
Apr 24 22:56:28 <PierreN> it should start
Apr 24 22:56:48 <PierreN> and then you should change u-boot/qi
Apr 24 22:56:58 <neoclust> PierreN: oh yes thanks
Apr 24 22:57:09 <PierreN> your welcome
Apr 24 22:57:26 <PierreN> you're*
Apr 24 22:57:59 <neoclust> PierreN: i tried to update to qi but i can't access to the NAND mode
Apr 24 22:59:28 <PierreN> well come back to u-boot :p (with steps i said it boots on NOR - where to flash u-boot/qi)
Apr 24 23:02:50 <neoclust> PierreN: just updated to latest u boot version :)
Apr 24 23:32:05 <allagator> i'd love to reflash my NOR
Apr 24 23:34:34 <allagator> anyone wanna sell me their dboard for 20$
Apr 24 23:34:46 <allagator> or let me borrow it
Apr 25 01:23:57 <quatrox> apt: give raster a cold beer
Apr 25 01:23:58 * apt gives a cold beer to raster
Apr 25 01:39:08 <rooly> so
Apr 25 01:39:22 <rooly> look what i buy
Apr 25 01:39:37 <rooly> http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/honda_ct90.jpg
Apr 25 01:41:40 <zeroedout> lol, I don't think i've seen one of those in Canada, but there popular elsewhere
Apr 25 01:42:26 <zeroedout> my roomate says he saw them in beijing quite a bit
Apr 25 01:47:55 <rooly> yell i would think so...
Apr 25 01:47:56 <rooly> it is a honda
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