**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 26 02:59:57 2009 Apr 26 03:02:48 dave? Apr 26 03:02:54 apt: slap dave Apr 26 03:03:01 apt slap dave Apr 26 03:04:21 ~seen dave Apr 26 03:04:23 dave was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 10d 1h 23m 7s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. Apr 26 03:04:34 good bot. Apr 26 03:06:03 aww Apr 26 03:06:05 dave? Apr 26 03:06:07 dave's not here Apr 26 03:06:10 * rooly snickers Apr 26 03:06:15 well Apr 26 03:06:21 fine, i'll tell you mwester Apr 26 03:06:26 http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1192439607038137113ORJdhV Apr 26 03:06:36 you know what the significance of that link is? Apr 26 03:07:03 nope! Apr 26 03:07:11 Do I dare open it? Apr 26 03:07:23 yeah Apr 26 03:07:23 the frame is duct taped together? Apr 26 03:07:34 it's a tribute to the strength of duct tape Apr 26 03:07:39 lol Apr 26 03:07:50 mwester: its just a picture embedded in a flash app to keep from copying Apr 26 03:08:08 :) Apr 26 03:08:17 It's a lake. Apr 26 03:08:22 with Apr 26 03:08:52 * rooly sighs Apr 26 03:08:56 fine Apr 26 03:08:58 i'm buying a lake Apr 26 03:09:00 yup Apr 26 03:09:04 thats what i'm gonna do Apr 26 03:09:15 Cool! Did they throw in the bike? Apr 26 03:09:20 lmao Apr 26 03:09:22 fsck you Apr 26 03:09:32 fsck /dev/mwester Apr 26 03:09:32 Sorry, in a silly mood today. Apr 26 03:09:56 i always imagine that an fsck would tickle Apr 26 03:10:05 What kind of bike is that? Can't read the logo, and I know nothing about bikes. Apr 26 03:10:11 honda ct90 Apr 26 03:10:15 1967 specifically Apr 26 03:10:21 the exact model and color i'm gonna buy Apr 26 03:10:56 Ah - the cops will notice that color. Apr 26 03:11:05 as far as being a transportation vehicle is concerned, its worthless Apr 26 03:11:25 Looks kinda "scooter"-ish a bit. Apr 26 03:11:28 its geared towards sunny afternoon riding by myself or with light 'baggage' if you know what i mean Apr 26 03:12:19 mwester: its just one of those things... Apr 26 03:12:24 :) yeah, don't pull up to the local biker bar with that... :D Apr 26 03:12:34 the awesome cannot be comprehended by uisng the word awesome alone Apr 26 03:12:56 I prefer the truck, to be honest. Apr 26 03:12:58 * ndnihil will sell you a real motorcycle when you decide to upgrade Apr 26 03:13:03 have two I need to get rid of Apr 26 03:13:25 need to make room for more toys Apr 26 03:13:32 800$'s? Apr 26 03:13:43 I'll let you have them both for $800 Apr 26 03:14:05 oh? Apr 26 03:14:09 crotch rockets? Apr 26 03:14:10 one is a gs550e, the other a gs1100e Apr 26 03:14:12 nope Apr 26 03:14:13 i aint buyin that Apr 26 03:14:18 a crotch rocket that is Apr 26 03:14:18 not crotch rocket Apr 26 03:14:29 tits or gtfo Apr 26 03:14:41 (that means link me a picture) Apr 26 03:14:44 heheh Apr 26 03:14:50 hang on, I think I have one up Apr 26 03:15:17 see pm Apr 26 03:15:19 that's the 550 Apr 26 03:15:35 don't have one up of the 1100, but it's the same year, just twice the displacement Apr 26 03:15:55 both have been sitting un-ridden for a couple years and will need fresh fluids, tires, chain, carbs cleaned, etc.. Apr 26 03:16:14 can't get a ural w/sidecar until I get rid of those Apr 26 03:17:23 ... Apr 26 03:17:39 i have a brother... Apr 26 03:17:46 he sorta wants a bike Apr 26 03:18:12 i mean, thats not nearly as awesome as my ct90 Apr 26 03:18:31 but quite a bit more powerful Apr 26 03:19:08 so your not shittin me when you say 800 Apr 26 03:20:40 seriously, both for $800 Apr 26 05:56:37 morning Apr 26 07:09:14 ok, and if the first opkg upgrade on a 2008.8 drops ssh and renders the device unconnectable from USB and no X to open? Apr 26 07:09:39 opkg upgrade is broken Apr 26 07:09:44 as you've recently discovered Apr 26 07:09:58 flash a new image and avoid opkg upgrade :) Apr 26 07:14:00 ok, which one should I use for the most stable system nowadays? Apr 26 07:16:27 shr testing is pretty decent Apr 26 07:16:39 your momma Apr 26 07:39:11 gorer: SHR or (allegedly) OM2009 Apr 26 07:54:02 guys , when I got my neo , it came with a 8G sd-card. Where do I put that in the neo ? Apr 26 08:00:52 blokkie: SD or uSD? Apr 26 08:01:38 not the micro sd , but the big one Apr 26 08:01:49 is that then SD or uSD ? Apr 26 08:02:20 blokkie: The big one you can put in your laptop or cardreader, no place for a big one inside the freerunner. Apr 26 08:03:27 PaulFertser: so the neo cannot take the card .. bummer :'( Apr 26 08:04:40 blokkie: unless what you see is really a uSD<->SD adapter with uSD inserted. Apr 26 08:05:16 ah yes Apr 26 08:05:25 I can put the micro sd in the bigger one Apr 26 08:05:44 so I can update the neo via this slot ? Apr 26 08:06:45 blokkie: you have a uSD cardreader integrated in the freerunner. You can use it any way you like. Apr 26 08:07:03 blokkie: i use it for rootfs Apr 26 09:02:00 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r2e58d83c395b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: Apr 26 09:02:00 freesmartphone.org: Revert "opimd: don't fail when default backend isn't specified. Use some, which supports specified domain." Apr 26 09:02:00 freesmartphone.org: That isn't correct way to do this. Apr 26 09:02:00 freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit a100a6b73023abb4ed385cf0e3615c1f303f6cc4. Apr 26 09:02:01 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6d56c641ddd9 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: fix custom fields handling in SQLite-Contacts backend Apr 26 09:24:31 ahoi Apr 26 10:10:40 [SHR] GPS TimeToFirstFix 85sec indoor. quite decent Apr 26 10:12:30 DocScrutinizer: are we finally using the "A" of AGPS? Apr 26 10:12:55 sure, partially Apr 26 10:12:57 (like, saving the last position for faster fix, and telling it to the chipset) Apr 26 10:13:01 nice Apr 26 10:13:11 exactly this part Apr 26 10:17:59 I noticed that a few days ago: the GPS time comes up really quickly now, and it sees the satellites a lot faster too Apr 26 10:26:11 bruce_c: there's a lot of fake in there - time is shown from beginning, eventually it switches from local system time to actual sat time unnoticed; number of "seen" sats is the theoretical number from "A", the "used" ones are the relevant data. lon/lat same. in the end the "fix: 2D" is the only interesting thing Apr 26 12:25:36 Googlemail? Apr 26 12:48:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rd85b7927c3e9 10/.gitignore: add .gitignore Apr 26 13:29:15 hi Apr 26 13:29:44 someone tried the new Zenity package on opkg.org? Apr 26 13:40:24 I made the package so if someone could test it i'm here to correct problems.. Apr 26 13:48:00 what kind of password is needed to enter the openmoko-devel channel? Apr 26 13:49:08 that's a channel only available to those that've signed NDAs Apr 26 13:49:17 openmoko-cdevel is the community development channel Apr 26 13:50:04 ok thanks Apr 26 16:38:16 jc: Hey :) can i ask you a question about OM ML policies? Apr 26 16:38:40 PaulFertser: yes. Apr 26 16:39:55 jc: It seems that some sane mailing lists (LKML e.g.) accept postings from unsubscribed users and it makes perfect sense if one considers ML usage scenarious. Apr 26 16:41:02 PaulFertser: what does that mean? not quite get this one. Apr 26 16:41:34 jc: that means that imho OM mailing lists should accept postings from unsubscribed users too. Apr 26 16:42:44 PaulFertser: but, if someone is not subscribing a mail list, what good for posting one? Apr 26 16:43:01 read online web archives Apr 26 16:43:49 jc: He'll be Cc'd on replies anyway. And yes, he can access that ML via web archives/NNTP/another account/whatever. Moreover you might want to bring somebody (consider upstream maintainer) for occasional conversation on list. Apr 26 16:45:35 PaulFertser: yes, you are right. but this also sounds like open a door for spammer. Apr 26 16:46:07 jc: I'm yet to find a single spam mail with "Received-SPF: pass" in my spam folder. Apr 26 16:46:49 jc: and LKML gives you a perfect example that if the list is properly configured, it won't have too much spam. Apr 26 16:46:54 PaulFertser: I could change the policy for one list to see how things going. Apr 26 16:47:59 jc: it'd be nice to try imho, provided you implement proper anti-spam measures beforehand... Apr 26 16:48:18 PaulFertser: I, myself, also like this unsuscribe posting thing. Apr 26 16:48:37 jc: that's nice to hear :) Apr 26 16:49:04 PaulFertser: give me a little bit of time of this. Apr 26 16:49:14 jc: i guess it should be enabled at least for those users who's using sensible mail server that pass strict SPF checking. Apr 26 16:49:36 jc: sure, I'm very glad you liked the idea. Thanks a lot for considering implementing it :) Apr 26 16:50:30 PaulFertser: what list do you subscribe? Apr 26 16:50:51 PaulFertser: I could start from that one. Apr 26 16:51:23 jc: I'm subscribed to at least OM kernel, devel, hardware, community. Apr 26 16:52:11 PaulFertser: ok, I will start from devel first. not now, but once I finish the study of this. Apr 26 16:53:28 PaulFertser: may I also have a question? :P Apr 26 16:53:52 PaulFertser: how do you find out I am in charge of that? Apr 26 16:54:17 He's got ninjas. Apr 26 16:54:24 :) Apr 26 16:55:18 shellevil: ninjas? Apr 26 16:56:08 shellevil: those guys were black clothes from Japan? Apr 26 16:56:21 shellevil: *wear* Apr 26 16:56:23 I think the correct term is ninjas Apr 26 16:59:16 but what were you guys talking about? Apr 26 17:01:02 who said Ninjas wear black ? Apr 26 17:03:04 jc: Joerg told me :) Apr 26 17:03:49 PaulFertser: ha.:) Apr 26 17:04:26 hmmm, CVirus... I'm not sure Apr 26 17:07:46 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r5d14c542cfa3 10/ (.gitignore autogen.sh configure.ac): use standard autogen.sh; check for vala version Apr 26 17:08:31 * mwester prefers elderly barbarians over ninjas. Apr 26 17:09:08 pratchett++ Apr 26 17:12:52 anyone with a working navit.xml file? Apr 26 17:12:59 please mail it to me Apr 26 17:13:38 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07dbus-hlid * r0844f3eda298 10/ (.gitignore Makefile.am configure.ac src/obj.vala): remove warnings, check vala version Apr 26 17:16:56 hmm, bip is back, but now FR-GPRS borked... Apr 26 17:17:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710 * r3bb80ba6cc9f 10/README: readme++ Apr 26 17:20:02 DocScrutinizer: morning. Apr 26 17:20:11 hi jc Apr 26 17:23:21 DocScrutinizer: yep, sorry for that. bip got itself into some loop and gdb on that host seems to be broken, so i just restarted it... Apr 26 17:24:08 PaulFertser: thanks anyway for taking care :) Apr 26 17:34:07 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r4b7440b08b96 10/vapi/ecore.vapi: ecore.vapi: bind new function "EAPI double ecore_timer_interval_get(Ecore_Timer *timer);" Apr 26 17:41:07 using shr testing i just received a text message, and clicked on "Close". But now when I go to the Message application, I can't see the text message, and Contact application is crashing Apr 26 17:42:50 is it a known bug ? i can't see a corresponding ticket in trag Apr 26 17:42:53 traq Apr 26 18:03:06 i need to reboot to solve the issue Apr 26 18:21:32 So, anyone around familiar enough with the bluetooth system to help me set up BT/GSM? Apr 26 18:22:00 what does one have to do with the other? Apr 26 18:22:07 tethering it? Apr 26 18:22:34 Uhh, you make GSM calls with a bluetooth headset. Apr 26 18:22:41 oh, just a headset Apr 26 18:22:44 I tried that, and it failed Apr 26 18:22:51 Hahahah, of course it did. Apr 26 18:22:57 :) Apr 26 18:22:58 Digital_Pioneer: I think shoragan wrote the support, it'd be best if he could help you. I remember you failed last time you tried because frameworkd didn't receive headset presence signal from bluetoothd or smth like that... Apr 26 18:23:23 It's not going to "just work". You have to fight to the death!!11!!eleven Apr 26 18:23:45 PaulFertser: Something like that, yeah. I think. Apr 26 18:24:01 pretty sure my frameworkd was too old Apr 26 18:24:05 shr testing Apr 26 18:24:50 * Digital_Pioneer pokes shoragan. Apr 26 18:26:47 I've installed SHR. Is there a graphical application to configure wifi (choose network, supply password, etc.)? Apr 26 18:28:17 gustavold: there's some work ongoing. I'd suggest you use vim for the time being, unless you're going to help development of that gui app. Apr 26 18:28:43 PaulFertser: ok, thanks Apr 26 18:29:55 gustavold: wifi works ok with most APs, just give wpa_supplicant a proper config. Apr 26 18:30:42 alephnull: are you a fan of ZFC? Apr 26 18:31:08 PaulFertser: just to know, who is these guys developing this gui app? Maybe I can give a help Apr 26 18:31:20 Sound during calls is dead. Anything I can reload to make it start working again? Apr 26 18:31:59 PaulFertser: Zermelo-Frankel with Axiom of choice ? Apr 26 18:32:39 gustavold: dos1 at #openmoko-cdevel did some work lately. Check git.shr-project.org See http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=commit;h=f94ee9084ea289c29ac6b684b745c3d68cb07242 Apr 26 18:32:39 Hmm, manually loading gsmhandset.state turns it on, so maybe I screwed up my rules.yaml... Apr 26 18:32:44 alephnull: yep :) Apr 26 18:32:57 alephnull: your nick always makes me think of set theory. Apr 26 18:33:58 PaulFertser: Ah. Me too :) Apr 26 18:39:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r08261d574acb 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710mux-1.0.deps): add gsm0710mux-1.0.deps Apr 26 18:50:23 Digital_Pioneer: i look at the code and i see self.monitor = gobject.timeout_add_seconds( 10, self._handleMonitorTimeout ) and in _handleMonitorTimeout it tries to establish bluetooth connection to the headset. Should work... Apr 26 18:53:52 gustavold: so, have you tried experimental wifi manager from playground? Apr 26 18:54:17 PaulFertser: I'm downloading it Apr 26 18:54:43 gustavold: it depends on connman btw. Apr 26 18:56:05 * mwester-laptop notes that using the connman test CLI seems to work with the latest andy-tracking kernels. Apr 26 18:58:58 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * rca6ff8b9e0e0 10/ (Makefile.am gsm0710mux-1.0.pc.in): fix header location and add necessary require entry in .pc Apr 26 18:59:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r53edb9c9af54 10/ (Makefile.am configure.ac src/main.vala): catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:07:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * re24a6abb8069 10/ (.gitignore Makefile.am): do not let vala compile, just generate C files Apr 26 19:08:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * re7538c53ef3e 10/Makefile.am: do not let vala compile; just generate C files Apr 26 19:24:15 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4535efb1caed 10/libfsotransport/ (5 files in 3 dirs): fsotransport: catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:24:16 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2bee14d692eb 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:24:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8c19b6464481 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsoframework: catch up with vala 0.7.x; fix header path Apr 26 19:24:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0917aead424f 10/fsodeviced/ (7 files in 6 dirs): fsodevice: catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:24:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re1ba5ce4be30 10/fsogsmd/ (9 files in 7 dirs): fsogsm: catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:25:01 I just thought of something - what about using modifier buttons (Aux and power button) for "hover" and right click? Can that be easely configured with illume? Apr 26 19:37:36 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r111247b229c1 10/ (14 files in 8 dirs): catch up with Vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:41:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * re0d92222e3e5 10/Makefile.am: catch up with vala 0.7.x Apr 26 19:51:16 could anyone recommend me a kernel / rootfs combination for my Neo1973 GTA01 where bluetooth and GPS are working? Apr 26 20:08:55 Oh good grief! ;-) Give the poor devs a little time; it's only been, um,... well... Apr 26 20:09:02 um.... Apr 26 20:09:51 Yeah. Well. No, Openmoko has NOTHING for the gta01. Community can do a bit better - try the SHR distro. GPS should work (after you install gllin,the binary blob). Apr 26 20:10:02 Bluetooth is questionable. Apr 26 20:11:06 mwester-laptop: i thought bluetooth on gta01 is connected the same way it's done on gta02, no? Bluetooth headsets are still wip even for FR, no real difference here. Apr 26 20:11:44 Right, hence "questionable" -- as in, CoreDump|home can make it work, but there's no gui or such. Apr 26 20:11:56 mwester-laptop: yes, some differences in wolfson driver exist but it's not a bluetooth problem and it can be fairly quickly fixed given some gta01 owner needs it. Apr 26 20:12:09 Alsa state files? Apr 26 20:12:15 (that's black magic to me) Apr 26 20:13:15 mwester-laptop: not only that. For some unknown reason gta01 wolfson driver is a bit different too, with some spurious "neo mode". My experience proves that it won't take much time for a person to get this part of the system to work, including creating a suitable state-file. Apr 26 20:13:47 PaulFertser: should that be fixed in the kernel, or is that just because the gta01 uses such an old kernel? Apr 26 20:13:47 For a person who wants to read/understand code, of course. Not for an ordinary "end-users". Apr 26 20:15:40 mwester-laptop: driver in the old kernel should be ok too. I don't know the state of support in the new kernel, community lacks gta01 owners who want to do anything (except Tim, but he's not very active recently). Apr 26 20:18:24 what means these "unsatisfied recommendation for" messages from opkg? Apr 26 20:21:46 it means that the package you are installing is usually used or often requires additional packages, which opkg cannot install for some reason. Apr 26 20:22:20 Hello, world. Apr 26 20:22:36 mwester-laptop: opkg installs recommended pkgs automatically? I thought one has to set them up manually. Apr 26 20:22:46 I mean, ask opkg to install them explicitly Apr 26 20:28:24 mwester-laptop: heh, thanks. I'll check out SHR Apr 26 20:32:17 I'm trying to make desktop files for silent and default phone profiles Apr 26 20:32:28 anyone know the exec command? Apr 26 20:50:46 badcloud: it's an mdbus command using org.freesmartphone.Preferences.SetProfile Apr 26 20:50:57 thanks Apr 26 20:51:05 badcloud: what distro are you using? Apr 26 20:51:05 what you cookin', Toaster? Apr 26 20:51:07 shr Apr 26 20:51:37 SHR-settings can handle all that if you don't mind 3 clicks instead of 1 Apr 26 20:51:50 bread and soup Apr 26 20:52:14 well, I like leaving the settings running, but sometimes it goes dead Apr 26 20:52:24 3 clicks isn't that bad Apr 26 20:52:39 Really? Any particular module? Apr 26 20:53:17 power Apr 26 20:53:33 which means I need to rerun the settings Apr 26 20:54:29 Anything in top? ie, is it sucking up resources, or just forgeting to respond? Apr 26 20:55:11 anybody got a working gllin for the SHR distro? The current one (1.1) appears to be broken Apr 26 20:55:34 badcloud: And how long does it take before things go all wonky? Apr 26 20:55:50 hmmm, good quest Apr 26 20:55:58 might be after suspend Apr 26 20:56:02 but I'm not sure Apr 26 20:56:08 I'll test some more Apr 26 20:58:04 CoreDump|cf-18: how exactly is it broken? Apr 26 20:58:40 gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681 Apr 26 20:58:49 doesn't start Apr 26 20:59:44 * CoreDump|cf-18 tries the 1.0 version Apr 26 21:00:08 CoreDump|cf-18: looks like you don't have GPS chip powered. Apr 26 21:02:50 PaulFertser: hmm I was under the impression that the gllin script would take care of that Apr 26 21:03:27 CoreDump|cf-18: double check that then. And check that sysfs nodes it tries to access actually exist. Apr 26 21:05:00 PaulFertser: the 1.0 version works after I added the fic-gta01 arch to opkg Apr 26 21:05:30 I guess 1.1 suffers from the sysfs issue mentioned by mickey|away Apr 26 21:06:14 CoreDump|cf-18: script can't suffer sysfs issue as it's easily tweakable. Apr 26 22:59:53 Is alarm possible on GTA01 or GTA02 hardware? Apr 26 23:01:04 As in, wake the phone from suspend to sound the alarm, somehow? The alarm in SHR doesn't do so. Apr 26 23:04:17 In what mode is the GTA01 CPU during suspend? Slow mode? I'm looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_GTA01_Power_Management the table here Apr 26 23:04:42 Ah, poweroff, sorry for asking before reading. :) Apr 26 23:33:16 I've been using #Om2009 for a week or so, but now whenever I get a new text it wakes up from suspend but doesn't get the text Apr 26 23:36:23 jpwdsm: you'll need to sorta 'force' it Apr 26 23:36:39 send yourself an sms, it should download any new ones Apr 26 23:37:25 rooly trying now Apr 26 23:57:25 rooly I didn't receive the one I sent to myself Apr 26 23:58:53 hello all. Just a quick question: the modem on the Freerunner is not Edge, right? What's the top data transfer speed I can theoretically achieve with it? Apr 27 00:03:15 jpwdsm, odd Apr 27 00:08:16 rooly I just reflashed om2009 earlier today too Apr 27 00:23:29 droger: 5-6 kbytes/sec Apr 27 00:23:42 rooly is there any point in reflashing again Apr 27 00:23:42 is what I've gotten in practice Apr 27 00:26:08 jpwdsm: have you tried rebooting? Apr 27 00:26:11 can you make phone calls? Apr 27 00:27:32 yeah, and receive Apr 27 00:28:05 shellevil: thanks Apr 27 00:29:25 AT%N0187 Apr 27 00:33:17 and after that AT command, I cannot get a connection to check if the echo is gone... :( Anyone had that issue? Apr 27 00:37:41 rooly tried rebooting, sending an sms to myself again, still nothing Apr 27 00:37:50 :-/ Apr 27 00:38:25 hmm Apr 27 00:38:43 maybe you could try and run a dbus command to collect them Apr 27 00:38:54 see what kind of problem is happening Apr 27 00:39:54 ok Apr 27 02:05:09 So when the ink in my stylus pen runs out, how do I get more? Apr 27 02:05:31 Use another pen? Apr 27 02:05:56 But if I use another pen, then I'll have no stylus. Apr 27 02:06:18 I use the aft end of my pen for that Apr 27 02:06:22 Assuming I wish to only carry one pen-shaped object on my person at any given time. Apr 27 02:06:43 Meh, it's bigger than an actual stylus... Apr 27 02:06:57 a bit of practice and you're usually good. Apr 27 02:07:08 though I can still do most things with my finger Apr 27 02:07:16 Yes, but there's also the 'cool' factor of the stylus/pen. ;) Apr 27 02:07:41 And the laser, never forget the laser... Apr 27 02:07:50 My batteries died. Apr 27 02:08:58 your laser is suffering from energetic dysfunction? That's depressing Apr 27 02:10:51 Chronic 'juice' deficiency. Apr 27 02:30:12 stylus is 2.50 dollars somewhere Apr 27 02:30:23 that seems too cheap Apr 27 02:30:49 thats cheaper than batteries Apr 27 02:34:40 http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack Apr 27 02:35:04 my mistake its 2.95 dollars Apr 27 02:35:38 Well. Apr 27 02:35:49 That 45 cents makes all the difference! ;-) Apr 27 02:36:02 im not gettin 1 either Apr 27 02:36:17 cause i still have 1 Apr 27 02:36:31 is it the same one you get with the gta01 big box? Apr 27 02:36:35 I have one of those... Apr 27 02:36:39 i guess i will just spend the 5 bucks Apr 27 02:36:53 i dought it Apr 27 02:37:03 I'm told they're good for cats Apr 27 02:37:21 to blind the maybe Apr 27 02:38:20 why is super Dave missing ? Apr 27 02:39:06 or was he just another alter ego of yours? Apr 27 02:39:11 :) Apr 27 02:39:46 Maybe he said something to the chan op and got banned. Apr 27 02:40:21 Or maybe Om grew tired of him breaking mokos, and sent ninjas after him. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 27 02:59:56 2009