**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 27 02:59:57 2009 Apr 27 03:38:20 fso 5.5 anybody? Apr 27 04:11:04 yea it set its own time Apr 27 05:12:15 Is there any way i can "stream" the raw gps data from å freerunner into a laptop? Apr 27 05:12:27 *from a* Apr 27 05:12:56 good morning Apr 27 05:19:36 Kagee: yes, via bluetooth Apr 27 05:19:44 or any other networking method Apr 27 05:19:59 just make gpsd listen on whatever interface you want to read from Apr 27 05:41:21 but how would i stream the gps data from the neo? Apr 27 05:41:43 gpsd handles that Apr 27 05:41:53 gpsd takes gps data, and makes it available over network Apr 27 05:42:54 ok, so if i have the phone connected via usb, what do i tell my laptop to listen on? Apr 27 05:47:21 you tell the client application on your laptop to look to gpsd on the phone Apr 27 06:04:05 ndnihil: no gps/connection refused Apr 27 06:13:34 hmm, i'm using fso, so i appears to use fso-gpsd, and not gpsd ... Apr 27 06:36:45 gpsd and fso-gpsd listen on the same port Apr 27 06:36:58 it probably only binds to localhost by default Apr 27 06:37:06 you'll have to modify the config so it will listen on other interfaces Apr 27 06:37:46 yeah, i just found it, and startet another fso-gpsd on 192.168.0.202 Apr 27 06:40:58 Kagee: beware, fso-gpsd implements only a subset of the original gpsd's features. OTOH it has a transparent integration with FSO. Apr 27 06:41:34 tangogps seamed to work when i connected it from my laptop, so i guess that works Apr 27 06:42:04 but i would wery much like to run onlt one fso-gpsd-prosess (that listened on BOTH localhost && 192.168.0.202) Apr 27 06:42:14 *only Apr 27 06:43:02 you can have it listen to all available interfaces if I'm not mistaken Apr 27 06:57:16 good morning Apr 27 07:02:19 aha, i had to rewrite the init.d-script to start it with no adress, only port Apr 27 08:01:10 hi.. any help on this error would be gr8.........ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/media/disk/home/amit/openmoko/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /media/disk/home/amit/openmoko/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.3.0.0.bb). Apr 27 08:01:12 This usually means one provides something the other doesn't and should. Apr 27 08:01:22 how to workaround this issue Apr 27 10:12:10 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rc3685094988e 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: bind "EAPI void elm_list_always_select_mode_set(Evas_Object *obj, Evas_Bool always_select);" Apr 27 10:15:27 Hello people, what's up? Apr 27 10:34:26 hi Apr 27 10:35:01 is there a way to force the usb-charging to never use more than 500mA ? Apr 27 10:35:13 i can force to use *more* but i will limit it Apr 27 10:36:02 after pluggin in the usb-charger it negiotiates 100mA which the usb-charger doesn't support really and stops charging Apr 27 10:36:08 1000mA Apr 27 10:36:18 with 500mA it functions fine Apr 27 10:36:42 which sometimes happen , and sometimes not Apr 27 10:37:23 so there arises the question how to limit the charging current to 500mA Apr 27 10:38:11 Laevar: why does it negotiate 1000mA? Apr 27 10:38:58 a good question Apr 27 10:39:12 i don't know Apr 27 10:40:31 Laevar: what kind of charger? Apr 27 10:40:43 its a sunload m5 battery used to be charged itself with solar panels Apr 27 10:41:38 http://www.sunload-shop.com/store_en/solar-modules-akkus/solar-powerbank/solar-powerbank-m5.html Apr 27 10:42:22 as i said, sometimes it *does* charge with 500mA and then it charges the openmoko without problems Apr 27 10:42:51 but most of the times it tries with 1000mA and the m5 stops charging because it hits its limit Apr 27 10:42:57 strange thing Apr 27 10:44:32 Anyone using the shr lite image from testing dated 22. April , mine won't boot, get Unknown boot option ... Apr 27 10:44:35 Laevar: what kind of cable? Apr 27 10:44:59 lindi-: hm, its a standard usb-cable ? Apr 27 10:45:11 Laevar: so on ID pin5? Apr 27 10:45:14 s/on/no/ Apr 27 10:45:15 lindi- meant: Laevar: so no ID pin5? Apr 27 10:45:42 i don't know, how can i check ? Apr 27 10:46:06 Laevar: are schematics available? Apr 27 10:47:01 for the cable ? i don't think so Apr 27 10:49:35 Laevar: hard to guess then :/ Apr 27 10:50:39 lindi-: yes, but it is a hint. So perhaps i probably have to use another cable ? Apr 27 10:50:56 Laevar: how do you see it tries to use 1000mA? Apr 27 10:51:07 cat usb_curlim Apr 27 10:51:39 i basically set an watch on cat usb_curlim Apr 27 10:59:31 lindi-: ok, i tried all my 3 cables, that at least doesn't help. Why did you asked, if it has ID pin 5 ? Apr 27 11:03:09 Laevar: since without that it should never use 1000mA Apr 27 11:05:15 lindi-: ok, thats strange. watching usb_curlim is the correct way to determine the actual drain of current ? Apr 27 11:06:00 btw. charging with my pc is done at 500mA Apr 27 11:19:58 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb325493722f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: Apr 27 11:19:58 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd [TI CALYPSO]: switch %CUNS back to 2 (no mixed solisticated/unsolisticated messages) Apr 27 11:19:58 freesmartphone.org: %CUNS=0 exposed a bug in the %EM commands, which were losing some output lines. Apr 27 11:25:20 Laevar: 1A charging *should* be enabled by kernel seeing the magic 47K resistor to GND from mini-USB ID-pin5. If there's no such magic R, 1A never should get enabled. If it still is it's a severe bug in your kernel. Please test with most recent kernel and a not too obsolete uBoot. If the problem persists, please open a ticket on openmoko.org trac, severity maximum Apr 27 11:30:30 DocScrutinizer: at the moment i am using om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 with qi bootloader from 22 april 2009. i will further look at the issue . thanks Apr 27 11:38:46 wpwrak: join this channel! ;) Apr 27 11:42:44 Laevar: could you please test if the overload situation occurs during uBoot or if things start to bork just when system gets booted up? To test I suggest to boot to uBoot menu (press AUX after inserting USB / pressing POWER) and keep this uBoot menu alive by frequent pressing AUX. Charging should start under "management" of uBoot - then check if it's 500 or 1A this moment Apr 27 11:43:13 Is it possible battery pack has 47K? Apr 27 11:43:50 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rbd40c112e6fe 10/src/monitor.vala: Apr 27 11:43:50 freesmartphone.org: Moved NameOwnerCahnged from contruct to run Apr 27 11:43:50 freesmartphone.org: Add debug output to show which Systems are started Apr 27 11:43:51 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4fc29a77b372 10/src/monitor.vala: moved Frameworkd to be started first Apr 27 11:43:52 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rc46a52a4b3fc 10/src/device.vala: Apr 27 11:43:52 freesmartphone.org: removed some debug output Apr 27 11:43:54 freesmartphone.org: exceptions are forwarded to calling class Apr 27 11:43:59 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r8e69ca646faa 10/src/fso.vala: Apr 27 11:44:00 freesmartphone.org: run throws Glib.Error Apr 27 11:44:02 that's what Laevar seems to be unable to check, but he said he's using three different cables so chances are small to have 47k Apr 27 11:44:02 freesmartphone.org: call run for base class Apr 27 11:44:04 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r14ab60ef3b6e 10/src/gsm.vala: Apr 27 11:44:06 freesmartphone.org: add throw GLib.Error for run() Apr 27 11:44:08 freesmartphone.org: removed debug output Apr 27 11:44:12 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4d0ab7f4c4f4 10/src/gsm.vala: changed busnames and paths to org.pyneo Apr 27 11:44:15 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rf48890280db3 10/src/monitor.vala: Apr 27 11:44:17 freesmartphone.org: handle errors for (Sub)system.run Apr 27 11:44:19 freesmartphone.org: added timed_run to wait for frameworkd Apr 27 11:44:21 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rb09c0d1c23b3 10/src/phone.vala: Apr 27 11:44:25 freesmartphone.org: removed debug output Apr 27 11:44:27 freesmartphone.org: handle Phone.Call.run error Apr 27 11:44:29 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r125a50e8a73b 10/src/usage.vala: Apr 27 11:44:31 freesmartphone.org: run throws GLib.Error Apr 27 11:44:33 freesmartphone.org: get usage object Apr 27 11:44:33 DocScrutinizer: ah - I should have read backscroll Apr 27 11:44:35 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r69e93e707eb4 10/src/preferences.vala: Apr 27 11:44:39 freesmartphone.org: removed debug output Apr 27 11:44:41 freesmartphone.org: adden throws GLib.Erro for run Apr 27 11:45:05 cia-storm Apr 27 11:46:48 shellevil: probably a good idea to readout A/D result of pin5 anyway. Alas I have no idea how to do it in a sysfs-conform way Apr 27 11:47:40 though I suspect uBoot/Qi(!!) much more than kernel Apr 27 11:47:46 /proc/acpi/.. Apr 27 11:47:48 oh Apr 27 11:47:50 no Apr 27 11:48:58 * shellevil has just woken up. Apr 27 11:48:58 hehe Apr 27 11:48:58 some *I2C* foo I guess Apr 27 11:48:58 or *pmu* Apr 27 11:49:24 yeah Apr 27 11:49:43 Is the gta01 pin also connected to a/d? Apr 27 11:50:07 if Qi produces a glitch during boot, then powersupply OC-protection might cut out and lock Apr 27 11:50:24 huh? Apr 27 11:50:59 gta01 - is the circuitry similar to 02? Apr 27 11:51:08 on the charging side Apr 27 11:51:18 though it can't do 1A IIRC Apr 27 11:51:34 not looked at that bit. Apr 27 11:51:54 Way too much boring stuff happening here. :/ Apr 27 11:52:10 nah, gta01 is different here. dunno exactly about id-pin Apr 27 11:52:34 on gta02 it's pmu ADCIN1 & ACCSW Apr 27 11:52:58 k, never mind. I should look it up. Apr 27 11:53:14 shellevil: you got the schem, no? ;-) Apr 27 11:53:31 I open them rarely here nowadays Apr 27 11:53:38 (gta01) Apr 27 11:54:00 but PCF50606 can't do 1A Apr 27 11:54:18 so that's where the main diff is to GTA02 Apr 27 11:54:29 DocScrutinizer: yes - I've got the schematic - but ATM my main system is dead, and I can't easily read the schem on thtis monitor Apr 27 11:54:50 and my DSL is down at 160K... Apr 27 11:54:51 oh, should I really check this for you? Apr 27 11:54:52 Meh. Apr 27 11:54:54 No\ Apr 27 11:55:07 Idle thought, please don't bother - I wondered if you recalled Apr 27 11:55:09 ok then Apr 27 11:55:22 * DocScrutinizer off for brunch Apr 27 11:55:40 * shellevil off for wrestling with plastic sheeting in the rain. Apr 27 11:55:42 Yay! Apr 27 11:55:45 :/ Apr 27 11:55:48 Good luck! Apr 27 12:00:00 rain? poor fella. prety nice here Apr 27 12:49:02 my touchscreen is only half working after a dist-upgrade on debian Apr 27 12:49:25 if i touch it, the backlight goes on, but the touch isnt recocnized.. Apr 27 12:49:52 cat /dev/input/even1 shows data when i touch the screen Apr 27 12:50:00 the xorgconf seems ok.. Apr 27 12:50:22 any idea where to start troubleshooting? Apr 27 12:51:45 * shellevil ponders, but has no inspiration. Apr 27 12:55:44 http://pastebin.com/m3cd2ed79 Apr 27 12:56:00 found something interesting in xorg.conf.. Apr 27 12:56:06 UnloadModule evdev Apr 27 12:56:27 that seems a bit odd Apr 27 12:57:14 emmentaler: that is a bug I reported weeks ago, please read bugs.debian.org Apr 27 12:57:29 ok thanx Apr 27 12:57:37 emmentaler: bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-input-tslib Apr 27 12:57:39 emmentaler: first one Apr 27 12:58:07 lindi-: btw, congrats with fixing udc gadget bug! :) Apr 27 12:58:28 this might explain why I had so much trouble with gadgetfs in february Apr 27 12:59:21 You haven't tried to avoid loading any other gadget (like g_ether) before gadgetfs, have you? Apr 27 12:59:46 Because if you have, then it should work ok on the first try. Apr 27 13:00:08 PaulFertser: but i unloaded and reloaded gadgetfs a lot while adding printfs Apr 27 13:00:42 lindi-: well, at least now you have one problem less :) Apr 27 13:01:59 git show 3fc154b6b8134b98bb94d60cad9a46ec1ffbe372 shows that even Greg Kroah-Hartman has Signed-off the version that does not call unbind() Apr 27 13:02:20 so i'd like to understand if it simply has been forgotten or if there was some reason for that Apr 27 13:14:28 lindi-: i highly doubt you'll receive any answer at OM kernel list :( I guess as many other mainline drivers call unbind explicitly, that's what is supposed to be done... Apr 27 13:15:08 lindi-: To get comments you can just send you patch directly to linux-usb (if the driver is already there, and i guess it is, one still needs to check). Apr 27 13:15:09 PaulFertser: it even checks for the unbind pointer to be != NULL in the beginning Apr 27 13:17:04 lindi-: yeah, the intention might have been that unbind will be called by driver->disconnect probably, but usb_gadget_unregister_driver looks weird to me... Apr 27 13:21:51 * Weiss wonders if everyone knows what "Signed-off-by" is meant to mean Apr 27 13:22:20 Weiss: for that we read SubmittingPatches reguralry (not to forget) :) Apr 27 13:23:15 Weiss: And i suppose there was some code of Greg's there, that's why his S-O-B. Probably somebody could have damaged it... Apr 27 13:23:54 possibly Apr 27 13:24:25 but my point it that S-O-B is for tracking origin and copyright, not for saying "i certify that this patch is good" Apr 27 13:25:23 (though, of course, if a patch passes through someone's hands it's reasonable to expect that they think it's good..) Apr 27 13:27:46 how could I break on irq 53, the pcf50633 interrupt? Apr 27 13:28:00 interrupt vectors are not in 0 at least since that has just zeroes Apr 27 14:05:27 hi ljp, lpotter Apr 27 15:35:37 hi Apr 27 15:35:57 I'm able to ping the device as 192.168.0.202 Apr 27 15:36:14 but when I do ./adb shell it is told error: device not found Apr 27 15:36:38 and I did issued: start-server before Apr 27 15:36:47 can someone give me a hand here please? Apr 27 15:38:58 Myk0n: tried eth1? Apr 27 15:40:08 I didn't get your question Apr 27 15:40:12 Weiss, Apr 27 15:40:53 some recent changes make the Neo appear as eth1 to the host, rather than usb0 Apr 27 15:41:43 but I issue adb on my laptop not on the device Apr 27 15:41:58 and I'm able to ping the device's IP address Apr 27 15:42:17 so the link is established Apr 27 15:42:29 but adb isn't working Apr 27 15:48:42 Myk0n: kill the server, put the interface down, bring the interface up and start the server. Apr 27 15:52:22 alephnull, didn't worked Apr 27 15:52:54 It usually does, here. Apr 27 16:38:04 good day. I have just received my freerunner and I was wondering if I could ask a question (having some slight problems) Apr 27 16:39:25 ask away Apr 27 16:40:34 After plugging in my phone into the usb the screen lights up with the openmoko sign and then doesn't do anything. Is this the normal course of action? If so, when will I know that the battery is charged? Apr 27 16:41:16 does it stay on or go back off? Apr 27 16:41:40 it stays on Apr 27 16:42:04 well then the battery must be ok Apr 27 16:42:41 look at the usb networking in the wiki an install a current os Apr 27 16:42:42 or Apr 27 16:43:11 turn it off then try aux +power an then boot Apr 27 16:43:37 turn it off = hold power button for > 8 seconds, or pull the battery Apr 27 16:43:41 They don't ship with a working image, do they? Apr 27 16:43:46 (while it's disconnected from the usb) Apr 27 16:44:05 Alesis-Novik: did you flash a firmware image and kernel onto it yet? If not, follow the wiki instructions to do so. Apr 27 16:44:25 hold the aux button(top left_ then push an hold the power button for a few seconds to get a little menu then select boot Apr 27 16:46:00 I tried disconnecting and powering it off, but it doesn't seem to be responding Apr 27 16:46:13 if not do what mwester said Apr 27 16:46:31 remove the battery Apr 27 16:47:37 i would downdoad a better os to your desktop to put on your phone anyways Apr 27 16:48:44 so I should first try putting a new os in and then charge it for the first time? Apr 27 16:54:15 also, what os would you suggest I use? Apr 27 16:58:19 Alesis-Novik: SHR :-) Apr 27 16:59:29 change the kernel and change the rootfs Apr 27 16:59:59 if your uboot version is old u may need to change tjhat to Apr 27 17:00:12 I was thinking of just flashing the OM 2008.12 Apr 27 17:00:48 well it would be best to use something thats being further developed Apr 27 17:01:07 2008.12 is dead Apr 27 17:01:26 fso,shr.debian Apr 27 17:01:46 has fso turned into something intended to be a 'real' release? Apr 27 17:02:09 i have 2.6.29 kernel an fsoo unstable rootfs Apr 27 17:02:23 slaxxer: Can you install stuff on it? Apr 27 17:02:28 an works better than 2008.12 Apr 27 17:02:38 certainly Apr 27 17:03:26 if u change the usb networking commands a little Apr 27 17:04:31 since the latest kernel is different Apr 27 17:04:41 so I guess I'll go with shr for now... Does it still require to restart once a day? Apr 27 17:04:54 probly Apr 27 17:06:29 I think I would rather charge the phone first and then try flashing and so on. So I just plug it in or does something else supposed to happen? Apr 27 17:10:33 I almost never restart my SHR install Apr 27 17:10:45 Well, maybe once every 4 days Apr 27 17:11:24 ok, got to the booting... First laugh ;) Apr 27 17:21:16 I think I got it charging (if that's what the lightning icon means) Apr 27 17:25:45 so what u do ? Apr 27 17:26:04 what desktop pic u see? Apr 27 17:26:13 Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue Apr 27 17:26:21 just reboot did it? Apr 27 17:26:45 no desktop picture Apr 27 17:27:08 wait 3 minuits/ Apr 27 17:27:29 Alesis-Novik: Then charge bat by booting to system the device is shipped with, let it sit there for ~2h, it will charge usually, no matter what you see for indication Apr 27 17:27:33 no icons? Apr 27 17:27:57 there are the dialer, contacts... icons Apr 27 17:28:15 uname -a/ Apr 27 17:28:17 Alesis-Novik: meanwhile download a more current OS for your FR. I'd suggest SHR-testing Apr 27 17:28:32 fso unstable:) Apr 27 17:28:42 doc is the man Apr 27 17:29:05 I'm letting it sit for now Apr 27 17:29:14 and deciding on the os :D Apr 27 17:29:28 y get u some dfu installed to your linux desktop Apr 27 17:29:32 when charging finished (i.e. after 2h) you should reflash kernel and rootfs. probably also uBoot eventually, but that's not such a priority Apr 27 17:30:09 no terminal icon? Apr 27 17:30:26 nope Apr 27 17:30:28 DocScrutinizer: no, u-boot is a priority, the shipped one sucks too much. Apr 27 17:30:35 so thats... Apr 27 17:30:46 y 2008.9 maybe Apr 27 17:30:47 PaulFertser: ok, no argue Apr 27 17:30:53 :) Apr 27 17:31:20 just dfu a kernel an dfu a rootfs Apr 27 17:31:46 thena new uboot when u practice a little Apr 27 17:32:35 slaxxer: no need to worry about flashing NAND u-boot at all, you always have NOR as a fall back that you can't damage. Apr 27 17:32:55 slaxxer: so, NAND bootloader must be flashed without worries :) Apr 27 17:32:56 i can damage it Apr 27 17:33:05 slaxxer: you can as well repair it. Apr 27 17:33:24 I can get shr from here, right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR Apr 27 17:33:51 *sigh* i'd like an u-boot that's able to charge the battery Apr 27 17:33:55 Alesis-Novik: http://shr-project.org Apr 27 17:34:13 Wonka: huh? so it doesn't??? Apr 27 17:34:26 alesis did u buy the extra barrery? Apr 27 17:34:41 battery* Apr 27 17:34:44 : Apr 27 17:34:49 slaxxer: why? Apr 27 17:34:57 charge it Apr 27 17:35:07 slaxxer: why? Apr 27 17:35:20 DocScrutinizer: dunno, really - at least it doesn't fast charge. Apr 27 17:35:44 it should, afaik Apr 27 17:35:55 DocScrutinizer: if it did by default, there would be much less problems with empty batteries, since you don't need much battery to get into uboot Apr 27 17:36:13 Wonka: that Apr 27 17:36:15 s Apr 27 17:36:37 slaxxer, no, I didn't get an extra :/ Apr 27 17:36:37 a rather complex topic. It's not as simple as you suggest here Apr 27 17:36:49 aux+power never failed for me with a dead battery Apr 27 17:36:53 Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue Apr 27 17:37:22 ok good Apr 27 17:37:33 DocScrutinizer, I already booted with a battery, so I'm leaving it for a few hours to charge while I understand what to do next Apr 27 17:37:43 slaxxer: so normal boot should work as well, with a decent uBoot Apr 27 17:37:59 slaxxer: it seems that being able to boot into NOR without battery depends on the host. I had success with it but some guy here couldn't do it no matter how many times he tried to do exactly what i did. Apr 27 17:38:14 alesis u have a linux desktop ? Apr 27 17:38:40 or windows? Apr 27 17:39:05 Wonka: basically uBoot should start charging bat. The *REAL* problem is with devices that don't even get to uBoot without some bat-power to support Apr 27 17:39:07 linux. Ubuntu dist Apr 27 17:39:28 DocScrutinizer: ouch... Apr 27 17:39:37 u need dfu-utilites Apr 27 17:39:52 to do a reflash Apr 27 17:40:03 ouch??? That's a wellknown issue for long time, and it's fixed for current devices Apr 27 17:40:31 DocScrutinizer: ah. define "current"? Apr 27 17:40:43 as of A6 series Apr 27 17:40:47 slaxxer, dfu-util from the repository will work? Apr 27 17:40:54 IIRC Apr 27 17:41:26 maybe his was a dostro that didnt turn on ether-gadget kernel by default,,,, would that cause it Apr 27 17:41:33 ? Apr 27 17:41:49 Wonka: see -> [2009-04-27 19:26:14] Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue Apr 27 17:42:12 DocScrutinizer: ah, so it's not pinnable to some hw revision? Apr 27 17:42:28 i would think so Apr 27 17:42:42 but im wrong Apr 27 17:43:02 it's the hw revision where we changed Vsys buffer capacitor from 47uF to 100uF. I think that's been with A6 board Apr 27 17:43:16 aaak Apr 27 17:44:25 doc i never use nand erase at alll ,, is this a problem? Apr 27 17:44:47 slaxxer, so I should flash a latest u-boot too? Apr 27 17:44:50 i heard someone talking about it Apr 27 17:44:57 slaxxer: if you got no problems, it's no problem Apr 27 17:45:55 Alesis-Novik: while you're flashing anyway, go ahead get a current uBoot ;-) Apr 27 17:46:08 slaxxer: if you try to write nand from userspace with nandwrite, you _must_ flasherase_all beforehand. Apr 27 17:46:23 Flashing uboot scares me Apr 27 17:46:33 Oh, wait, FR has a recovery mechanism Apr 27 17:46:37 Sure. Apr 27 17:46:40 I'm on a gta01 Apr 27 17:47:23 can anyone give a link to the u-boot download? Apr 27 17:47:27 Alesis-Novik: (I already booted with a battery, so I'm...) sure Apr 27 17:48:41 shr testing? Apr 27 17:48:57 Alesis-Novik: just try boot without bat eventually. If you get any display on screen for a short moment at least, you're at safe side of the fence wrt low bat etc Apr 27 17:49:18 DocScrutinizer, I'll try that later I guess :) Apr 27 17:49:24 np Apr 27 17:49:40 first charge your bat for >2h Apr 27 17:50:27 Just checked, the battery seems warm. I guess that's a sign of charging Apr 27 17:50:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download Apr 27 17:51:27 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ Apr 27 17:51:38 i assume its a freerunner Apr 27 17:52:12 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D Apr 27 17:53:18 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r3.4-om-gta02.bin Apr 27 17:53:32 uimage is the kernel Apr 27 17:54:22 slaxxer, I guess it's the same as latest one Apr 27 17:54:43 Alesis-Novik: The "-latest" 'files' are links to the latest actual file Apr 27 17:54:46 u can tell by the megs that the lite image is smaller than the other images Apr 27 17:55:07 I prefer to dl by the actual file link so I can keep them separated after dl Apr 27 17:55:16 Keeping your last build can be helpful in case the next one sucks Apr 27 17:56:29 or keeping a "good known" folder Apr 27 17:57:29 pick one of those april 22 .jffs2 files for the rootfs Apr 27 17:57:49 the lite one or the other Apr 27 17:58:26 the .summery files are the same as the .jffs2 files less something Apr 27 17:59:33 can u go up in ftp site with firefox? Apr 27 18:01:13 i noticed theres not been a newer release of fyp lately Apr 27 18:01:24 318 Apr 27 18:06:20 can't find the uBoot download page :/ Apr 27 18:06:24 sometimes dfu will refuse to work the first try so try again Apr 27 18:07:26 do u have konqueror? Apr 27 18:07:33 Alesis-Novik: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ Apr 27 18:08:25 Alesis-Novik: afaict it's the best download location for u-boot atm (unless you compile it yourself from sources at git.openmoko.org) Apr 27 18:09:44 Alesis-Novik: please, if you try it and it works (and it should), correct the wiki page that mislead you/didn't give a proper download location. Apr 27 18:10:47 there was no link as far as I remember Apr 27 18:10:54 just mentioning uBoot Apr 27 18:11:10 Alesis-Novik: our wiki sucks and in desperate need of improving. Newcomers hit enough obsolete/wrong/misleading information on the pages we ("power-users") never look at. So please if you find something that doesn't help or doesn't work or plain wrong, feel free to correct it (probably after asking here if you understand it right). Apr 27 18:11:43 Alesis-Novik: my latest link should provide you with the latest-and-greatest (though still somewhat deprecated) u-boot. Apr 27 18:14:54 Flashing is just the 3 simple lines, right? Apr 27 18:15:31 yes Apr 27 18:15:42 as root Apr 27 18:16:04 for me anyways Apr 27 18:16:18 DocScrutinizer: mh, my GTA02v5 just makes funny clicking sounds when i connect it to 5V on USB without inserted battery. holding power for 20s doesn't make it boot Apr 27 18:16:26 i had to use the ./dfu Apr 27 18:17:07 aux+power 3 seconds? Apr 27 18:17:12 Wonka: that's "motorboating" and known for A5. Fixed with A6 as I told ya Apr 27 18:18:49 won't boot without bat. That's the issue. If you ever got into uBoot you hadn't this problem, but with A5 you better care to never dead-drain your bat - or have a spare Apr 27 18:20:03 i have a motorboat to Apr 27 18:21:16 hm... weren't there some people who succeeded charging their moko battery with a nokia cellphone? Apr 27 18:21:52 yup Apr 27 18:23:00 no problem with the TH one Apr 27 18:23:05 no idea about the CC Apr 27 18:38:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc72bf0b787da 10/docs/ogsmd/gnufiish/commands: docs: gnufiish proprietary commands Apr 27 18:38:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r44ed588f0e29 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: call stateAntennaOn, when the antenna is on. Fixes FSO #398 Apr 27 18:45:02 hi there! Does anybody know where I can find the question mark on the android keyboard? Apr 27 19:02:38 buffoon: Sorr, nope Apr 27 19:33:45 is there a trick to get ar6000 working with freerunner? Apr 27 19:34:01 when i load that module i get no interface Apr 27 19:34:11 and dmesg is also not very helpful Apr 27 19:34:17 perhaps you need to bind manually Apr 27 19:34:35 there's this sysfs stuff Apr 27 19:34:42 where you can 'bind' and 'unbind' Apr 27 19:34:45 the device Apr 27 19:42:46 you need to power it on as well. Apr 27 19:48:20 ok.. after powering on this by menu i got an interface Apr 27 19:48:36 great.. but how can i do this with the shell? Apr 27 19:49:02 i havent found any hint on the wiki or in any other docs .. not even a ticket.. Apr 27 19:57:28 emmentaler: Dig around in the source for the dbus message sent to power it on? :-( Apr 27 19:58:55 this is an idea.. Apr 27 19:59:33 emmentaler: You might see something interesting on mdbus -l when you power it up via the gui; not sure Apr 27 20:00:10 http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py;h=6d5959ffd543065645bb96be583daab0133e66c3;hb=refs/heads/master Apr 27 20:00:18 ok .. but this is somewhat central for the use of wifi.. this should be documented in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi Apr 27 20:01:19 Many things should be documented in the wiki. Apr 27 20:02:02 thank you all .. will try that once my phone has recovered from the bad FS. grmpf.. need to fsck first Apr 27 20:12:10 emmentaler: Please put it in the wiki when you figure it out :-) Apr 27 20:12:20 ok.. Apr 27 20:17:35 freesmartphone.org: 03prishelec 07libeflvala * r3e0169107cc3 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add missing function to add inwins Apr 27 21:26:23 frameworkd is failing me, says it's registered to the network but when I dial the phone to test it, nothing happens Apr 27 21:28:08 johnsu01: want to debug it? Apr 27 21:36:53 lindi-: yes Apr 27 21:37:44 sigh, /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop also fails. Apr 27 21:38:26 johnsu01: is it http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348 Apr 27 21:38:30 as does killing it Apr 27 21:38:44 it also died silently last night while the phone was suspended Apr 27 21:38:52 johnsu01: please don't kill it Apr 27 21:39:09 johnsu01: but comment on the bug so mickey starts to believe it exists ;) Apr 27 21:39:30 okay, so before I kill -9 it here Apr 27 21:39:35 what should I do to test? Apr 27 21:39:51 johnsu01: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.GetVersion Apr 27 21:43:30 lindi-: yeah, NoReply Apr 27 21:43:50 johnsu01: good, add that as a comment Apr 27 21:44:05 johnsu01: i run a watchdog that spots this and restarts frameworkd. want to try it? Apr 27 21:44:31 lindi-: yeah I'll try it Apr 27 21:44:57 and yeah, there's no errors in my log Apr 27 21:45:07 no sign that anything should be worng Apr 27 21:45:49 johnsu01: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/gsm-watchdog is very quick'n'dirty and even refers to /home/lindi :) Apr 27 21:48:46 johnsu01: 'answering-machine' is a tiny daemon that runs as 'lindi' and just plays ringtone on incoming calls and lets me answer them with AUX regardless of whether X is running or not Apr 27 21:49:57 how do I make "si" in gdb use a hardware breakpoint? Apr 27 21:53:19 I can thbreak $pc+4; continue but that'd not very elegant wrt. branches Apr 27 22:00:28 lindi-: okay, added comments to that ticket Apr 27 22:02:24 johnsu01: thanks Apr 27 22:02:30 johnsu01: i keep hitting that quite often Apr 27 22:04:46 lindi-: I kill -9'd it, and there's output from gsm0710muxd closing channels Apr 27 22:07:36 well, changing my log level back to debug for now Apr 27 22:10:29 0xc0055514 : ldm sp, {r11, sp, pc} Apr 27 22:10:35 where will this jump? Apr 27 22:11:32 apparently to $sp+8 Apr 27 22:12:42 thank you for everyones help getting me started Apr 27 22:13:26 lindi-: that's retrieving some stuff from the stack Apr 27 22:17:19 Weiss: yep Apr 27 22:17:52 lindi-: though, why is it missing an addressing mode? is it in thumb mode at that point? Apr 27 22:18:30 s/mode/state/ Apr 27 22:18:31 Weiss meant: lindi-: though, why is it missing an addressing state? is it in thumb mode at that point? Apr 27 22:18:40 noo, that's not what i meant Apr 27 22:20:05 Weiss: at least gdb thinks the instruction is 4 bytes so not thumb Apr 27 22:20:40 also, none of those registers are allowed in thumb Apr 27 22:21:41 anyway.. as i understand that, it read the values for r11, sp and pc from the stack - though i don't know in which direction the stack runs.. Apr 27 22:21:44 Weiss: any tips on < lindi-> how do I make "si" in gdb use a hardware breakpoint? Apr 27 22:22:11 no idea, i'm afraid. i have a longish history of ARM stuff, but i need to refresh my memory - and i've never gone that deep with gdb Apr 27 22:22:12 Weiss: according to arm docs it always increments in that mode Apr 27 22:22:33 hmm, if no addressing mode is specified, you mean? Apr 27 22:24:39 Weiss: well, in any addressing mode. the problem is that gdb tries to use a software breakpoint Apr 27 22:27:11 hey, how can i chack if my microSD slot in the freerunner is broken?? Apr 27 22:27:57 govindas: why do you suspect it's broken? Apr 27 22:28:13 lindi-: so...what are you expecting to see? Apr 27 22:29:05 i can`t boot from it, i trayed qi and uboot, it use to work.... Apr 27 22:32:57 Weiss: where? ;) Apr 27 22:33:20 Weiss: i'd like to be able to single-step without having to write break instructions to memory Apr 27 22:33:32 shouldn't JTAG offer that? Apr 27 22:36:39 don't know - i guess so... Apr 27 22:42:27 weiss: http://yfrog.com/5sdsc1639j thats what i get, traying boot the uSD withe uBoot.... Apr 27 22:44:52 hmm, that doesn't look too good Apr 27 22:45:00 if you boot from NAND, can you access the card? Apr 27 22:51:15 weiss: im not shure... i think the card should be in /dev/mmcblk or so in qtopia. but now there is nothing! Apr 27 22:52:32 anything in dmesg? Apr 27 23:02:59 weiss: http://freetexthost.com/u2cx1xduea :) Apr 27 23:10:50 govindas: hmm ok, problems there as well.. Apr 27 23:17:40 weiss: what do you think? i figured the uSD slot is maybe broken... :( Apr 27 23:27:12 govindas: i think you should try a few other kernels first though.. the kernel there is quiet old Apr 27 23:31:56 weiss: ok... thx for the help! Apr 27 23:54:29 lindi-: heh, it happened again on the way home... Apr 27 23:55:00 I think there may be an additional problem though, there is an new exception in the log I'm checking out Apr 28 01:24:32 hi all Apr 28 02:33:54 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r5207da061535 10/src/fso.vala: made path to initskript absolute **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 28 03:00:02 2009