**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 28 03:00:03 2009 Apr 28 04:18:57 hackable1 looks like 2007.2 Apr 28 04:54:16 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r83defc45ccf3 10/src/monitor.vala: remove ping timeout on stopping Subsystem Apr 28 05:19:33 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r64f5b54be584 10/src/fso.vala: added restart timeout for frameworkd Apr 28 07:09:42 morning Apr 28 07:19:06 how do you guys like your freerunner Apr 28 07:30:10 good morning Apr 28 07:35:10 good morning Apr 28 07:42:24 good morning Apr 28 07:43:10 Does it work sending multiple sms from SHR, please? In my case, multiple SMS (>160chars.) doesn't come to recipients :( Apr 28 07:54:13 jaypro: DHL missed to drop me a notification and now the package is somehow lost Apr 28 08:06:14 Cervajz: nope it doesn't Apr 28 08:06:29 as the underlying frameworkd can't do it Apr 28 08:06:53 spaetz: Aha, ok thank you Apr 28 10:07:09 hm.. is the battery meter supposed to work in SHR testing. I figured it wasnt working yet but just noticed a few others commenting on how good it is Apr 28 10:07:45 mine always shows on charge 25% full, never see anything else Apr 28 10:07:53 even when its not charging Apr 28 10:11:42 Psi_: it works fine here on SHR testing Apr 28 10:11:47 on a freerunner Apr 28 10:11:53 must be a gta01 issue then Apr 28 10:12:18 possible gta02 here Apr 28 10:15:46 Hello, I try to test android on my freerunner, but I don't manage to figure if it's possible to boot large kernels with uboot (new version) or if I must run Qi (wich seems to make any further flash complicated with the lack of dfu mode support) Apr 28 10:16:14 installing qi does not make it any more difficult to flash Apr 28 10:17:41 you can still use the NOR boot menu Apr 28 10:17:51 transylvania, Did you try fallow koolu instractions? Apr 28 10:18:01 *follow* Apr 28 10:18:09 ok so Qi is just installed in nand Apr 28 10:18:21 max_posedon: will try that with beta6 Apr 28 10:18:40 transylvania: yes you can't mess up the NOR version without a debug board Apr 28 10:19:33 but I'm a bit lost for the moment, changing the bootloader, verify everything then flashing the phone with correct images Apr 28 10:20:02 thanks for the tip tig| Apr 28 10:20:20 no problem :) Apr 28 10:21:05 a bit hard to find something usable as and "every day phone" Apr 28 10:25:11 shr-testing Apr 28 10:26:16 ya, shr-testing is good, im using it as an everyday phone Apr 28 10:27:02 not too slow ? my last experience with the general distrib was really painfull on this point Apr 28 10:27:19 general distib? Apr 28 10:27:22 ^ Apr 28 10:27:38 anyway, it works well) Apr 28 10:27:42 om2009 Apr 28 10:27:57 sorry 2008.12 Apr 28 10:27:58 om2009 and shr are very different Apr 28 10:28:01 that too Apr 28 10:30:17 also recent versions of SHR have got a lot faster Apr 28 10:30:34 ^ Apr 28 10:32:19 "GSM network is lost after one day of uptime: restart your FR once a day! " Apr 28 10:32:37 I don't think that still is true Apr 28 10:32:41 i never had that issue at all Apr 28 10:32:53 is the pim now avaible ? Apr 28 10:33:04 with vcard import Apr 28 10:38:09 is there much work being done on a proper web browser for gta01/02 Apr 28 10:40:44 minimo doesn't cut it for you, Psi_? Apr 28 10:40:58 pretty sure i tried that one Apr 28 10:41:06 i tried all the ones i could find Apr 28 10:41:11 they all had major problems Apr 28 10:41:15 major? Apr 28 10:41:30 as far as I can remember, speed was minimo's main issue Apr 28 10:41:34 hardly major Apr 28 10:41:51 hm.. Apr 28 10:41:52 dillo was just limited, but it was fast as hell Apr 28 10:42:14 the only one I have beef with is midori Apr 28 10:42:38 no comfortable viewing config without having to have a field day with a stylus Apr 28 10:42:48 and no way to enter a url?? f*** that Apr 28 10:42:58 yeah, stuff like that Apr 28 10:43:34 I think dillo and minimo are the perfect couple Apr 28 10:48:43 my application caught a weird issue.. it is taking the bottom-left corner as origin.. is it correct? I think it(origin) should be at top-left corner of screen. Apr 28 12:18:36 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r2a8231b3a4f4 10/framework/patterns/asyncworker.py: asyncworker: catch and log exceptions thrown by the work units Apr 28 12:18:38 freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1d4a6f96edf5 10/framework/resource.py: resource: fix callback name Apr 28 12:55:40 A quick question, how long does the battery (stock one) usually hold? Apr 28 13:15:18 Alesis-Novik: depends on what you use it for Apr 28 14:01:52 shit, http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2 is down Apr 28 14:02:16 anyone know some precompiled images? Apr 28 14:02:27 urls for, I meant Apr 28 14:24:44 what is with shr unstable? tar won't un-gzip Apr 28 14:25:07 and opkg can't seem to find a newer version of tar Apr 28 14:25:19 didn't have this problem with 2008.12 Apr 28 14:27:39 aaaaaaaaaarg Apr 28 14:28:34 why didn't the writer of the debian install script include an option to use 'gzip -d' when 'tar xz' fails? Apr 28 14:28:41 badcloud: the tar format hasn't changed in a *****long***** time Apr 28 14:29:02 it's the .gz format I'm talking about Apr 28 14:29:16 I did see this once. tragic... I had intermittent corruption, so I decided to re-install Apr 28 14:29:16 tar won't unzip the . gz compression Apr 28 14:29:27 I tar-gzipped my home dir and re-isntalled Apr 28 14:30:08 only to find out later the actual problem was that I had bad ram, so gzip itself failed even tho the binary was technically correct Apr 28 14:30:27 actually, gzip is working fine Apr 28 14:30:53 and the phone is barely a half a year old Apr 28 14:30:56 as in, you gzip and un-gzip test things Apr 28 14:31:02 yeah Apr 28 14:31:16 but attempting to stream stuff thru tar fails? Apr 28 14:31:22 right Apr 28 14:31:23 in general or in a specific case? Apr 28 14:31:33 two separate cases Apr 28 14:31:48 so in general I'd say Apr 28 14:31:55 ok. explain "fail" Apr 28 14:32:14 invalid option -z Apr 28 14:32:19 nice Apr 28 14:32:29 I'll say :) Apr 28 14:32:46 wanted to reinstall tar Apr 28 14:32:52 but couldn't find any opk/ipk Apr 28 14:32:54 anywhere Apr 28 14:33:38 as I said, it happened to me as well running 2008.12 Apr 28 14:33:45 but opkg install tar fixed that Apr 28 14:33:54 tar just updated from what I gathered last time Apr 28 14:34:22 but the debian mirror is down Apr 28 14:34:35 (I didn't investigate, I'm taking you at your word) Apr 28 14:34:51 thanks Apr 28 14:34:59 well, then trying to install is pointless anyway Apr 28 14:35:35 I might be able to dig up an shr-copy.... but it's doubtless compiled with different dynamic libs Apr 28 14:35:55 thanks Apr 28 14:36:04 I'll just reinstall sometime and try again Apr 28 14:36:27 bah Apr 28 14:36:47 wait a minute. but it's never happened to me with 2008 series. something's fishy. Apr 28 14:36:58 BusyBox v1.13.2 (2009-01-22 20:04:41 CET) multi-call binary Apr 28 14:37:07 Usage: tar -[cxtvO] [-X FILE] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]... Apr 28 14:37:18 no -z as far as I can see Apr 28 14:37:47 I think in my case tar is separate from bb Apr 28 14:37:59 touche Apr 28 14:38:54 I'm gonna shower. maybe that will calm my nerves... Apr 28 14:39:05 you could try breaking something Apr 28 14:46:25 just might ;) Apr 28 14:49:51 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r810e4bffe5b1 10/libfsoframework/ (7 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: first sketch of asyncworker Apr 28 15:32:53 anyone remember the delete all mdbus command string? I forgot to back it up before reinstalling shr Apr 28 15:33:01 *delete all sms Apr 28 15:39:23 you can construct it by iteratively call mdbus -s Apr 28 15:39:28 first, pick the service Apr 28 15:39:31 then, pick the object Apr 28 15:39:36 then, pick the method Apr 28 15:39:44 lastly, pick the parameters, if applicable Apr 28 15:39:59 mdbus will assist you in telling what's available Apr 28 15:43:11 someone spoonfed me with it the other day Apr 28 15:43:36 I'm not intuitive or knowledgeable enough about mdbus to crack that one Apr 28 15:43:40 but thanks Apr 28 15:43:51 hmm Apr 28 15:43:54 it should really be simple Apr 28 15:43:59 just with mdbus -s Apr 28 15:44:06 look what it prints Apr 28 15:44:15 then append it to the command to find out more Apr 28 15:44:20 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd Apr 28 15:44:25 look again Apr 28 15:44:32 append it to the command to find out more Apr 28 15:44:41 mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device Apr 28 15:44:43 ... Apr 28 15:46:07 I'll try it soon Apr 28 15:46:09 thanks Apr 28 15:46:38 SM2k, flashed newest rootfs image of shr unstable Apr 28 15:47:05 no change, debian ./install script quits after tar's 'invalid option -z' complaint Apr 28 15:49:32 how are things coming along for the neofreerunner? Apr 28 15:49:37 I need some air Apr 28 15:49:41 later gaters Apr 28 15:50:22 some of you said it wasnt very stable last time I checked Apr 28 15:51:24 root@om-gta02 ~ $ tar Apr 28 15:51:25 BusyBox v1.13.2 (2009-03-02 20:41:31 CET) multi-call binary Apr 28 15:51:25 Usage: tar -[cxtvO] [-X FILE] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]... Apr 28 15:52:31 hot diggity. I lied. :-/ tar: invalid option -- z Apr 28 15:56:43 badcloud, do you absolutely have to have tar on the phone or are you simply trying to get a single extract? Apr 28 15:58:45 SM2k: install.sh needs tar Apr 28 15:58:50 !rc.local Apr 28 16:00:41 well if you can harness a workstation, I'm betting some horrid hack involving alias and netcat could be contrived :-) Apr 28 16:05:46 SM2k, the debian ./install script is exclusively dependent on tar Apr 28 16:10:42 has the GTA02v6 been released? Apr 28 16:11:13 I think so. Mine should be v6 Apr 28 16:11:39 nvm it says at the top, I missed it Apr 28 16:12:07 as far as I know v was with the gpers/sd card fixed (witch mine have) Apr 28 16:12:10 it says all public released at this time are v6 Apr 28 16:13:01 how usable are they currently? reliable for phone/sms? Apr 28 16:14:13 if you are using qt improved ot SHR with the hardware bugfizz it works well as a normal phone Apr 28 16:19:21 hmm Apr 28 16:19:37 openmoko doesnt offer any warranty? Apr 28 16:21:54 what king of warranty are you looking for? Apr 28 16:24:50 i was looking at the distributors list and most offered a 1/2 yr warranty, but the openmoko direct site says "non" Apr 28 16:24:53 "none" Apr 28 16:26:15 then dont buy it direct from openmoko but from a distributorer with 1/2 years of warranty, Apr 28 16:26:48 lunartear: Most prototypes don't have warranties, AFAIK. Apr 28 16:29:59 prototypes? Apr 28 16:30:03 hmm Apr 28 16:44:08 I tought that gta01 was the prototype Apr 28 16:45:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ffd7da68f52 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: fix dbus test Apr 28 16:58:52 beer_: You are correct Apr 28 16:59:24 Digital_Pioneer: FR is not a prototype, or at least was not marketed as one Apr 28 17:00:24 Meh, it's prototype enough for me. Hahah Apr 28 17:00:49 True :-( Apr 28 17:00:53 I own a gta01 Apr 28 17:00:58 Ahh. Apr 28 17:01:09 Which as far as I can tell has much better hardware design, at least as far as reliability goes Apr 28 17:01:29 Hahahah Apr 28 17:01:42 Of course, sometimes I miss wifi & accelerometers Apr 28 17:02:06 any ninjatricks to get the scrollbars in SHR bigger? can't scroll down at any menus :< Apr 28 17:02:11 But I don't miss buzzing, gps not working well with SD, and video bus being shared with sd Apr 28 17:03:34 tore, no need for ninja Apr 28 17:03:39 just modify the gtkrc Apr 28 17:03:46 google for gtkrc for more info. Apr 28 17:03:58 and btw, when you find the right size Apr 28 17:04:10 please open a bug in shr trac and add your values ;] Apr 28 17:04:16 I would like to have it as well. Apr 28 17:04:32 tore: Me too, please Apr 28 17:04:38 yeah, working on it Apr 28 17:04:40 :) Apr 28 17:04:42 An email to shr-users is probably in order Apr 28 17:04:59 wurp2|working, shr-devel will suit better Apr 28 17:05:02 You too can be a hero Apr 28 17:05:07 wurp2|working, lol. ;] Apr 28 17:05:10 TAsn: I figured the bug had that one covered Apr 28 17:05:26 wurp2|working, oh, I thought you meant instead of the bug. Apr 28 17:05:30 yeah, you are correct. ;] Apr 28 17:05:53 Nah, I meant instead of emailing you & I after filing the bug :-) Apr 28 17:06:44 wurp2|working, I'm not a member in shr-users Apr 28 17:07:02 tore: .gtkrc with correct scrollbar? Apr 28 17:07:09 TAsn: Are you an SHR user? Apr 28 17:07:14 yeah, working on it Apr 28 17:07:18 wurp2|working, yes. Apr 28 17:07:21 when you finish, send those lines to me, i will include it in SHR Apr 28 17:07:33 Then you should be! Apr 28 17:08:03 though I'm also a (kinda) busy man, I don't have time for viagra, fake watches and (mostly) stupid (and repetitive) questions. ;] Apr 28 17:09:08 TAsn: Hrm, I haven't seen any of the former stuff on the list Apr 28 17:09:25 I was just describing my mailbox. ;] Apr 28 17:09:28 But mostly I move stuff straight to archives... however an email with "fix for tiny scrollbars" would get my attention Apr 28 17:09:31 (with shr-user) Apr 28 17:09:34 ah Apr 28 17:09:42 without shr-user Apr 28 17:09:49 it's just viagra and fake watches. Apr 28 17:09:50 ;] Apr 28 17:11:38 food. Apr 28 17:20:56 hi Apr 28 17:21:59 the scrollbars won't fucking work Apr 28 17:24:31 tore, check out the om2007.X gtkrc it had wide scrollbars (too wide in my opinion) but still you way get some pointers from there. Apr 28 18:12:13 Is there any right click emulation in SHR? Apr 28 18:13:17 in Xfbdev on SHR Apr 28 18:19:11 There was some python script that emulated right click with AUX+tap. But I can't seem to find it. Can anyone give me a hint where I can get it? :) Apr 28 18:22:37 thrashold: Xfbdev on SHR? do you have GTA01? Apr 28 18:22:49 Yes Apr 28 18:33:29 OK, what format can I store my music in so that the FR can play it without cutting and skipping all the time?? Apr 28 18:38:52 Digital_Pioneer, which distro? Apr 28 18:39:07 SHR Apr 28 18:39:52 unstable? Apr 28 18:40:02 Digital_Pioneer: how and which many other programs are running? Apr 28 18:40:09 man, it's taking forever to suspend on the latest shr-lite and kernel Apr 28 18:41:01 badcloud: suspend doesn't work at all with frameworkd. it works on SHR only because I added fallback to "apm -s" some time before Apr 28 18:41:09 yes, i know, i should use some /sys node :P Apr 28 18:41:38 what's the illume suspend button linked to in the power button menu? Apr 28 18:41:49 because it seems to work after half a minute Apr 28 18:42:05 you added that? nice Apr 28 18:42:53 can't you tell the shr power settings to use auto apm -s after x minutes? Apr 28 18:43:51 dos1? Apr 28 18:44:21 badcloud: no. it should work with frameworkd. it doesn't work for only few days. Apr 28 18:44:41 what do you mean a few days? Apr 28 18:44:52 it's a bug that wears off? Apr 28 18:45:09 yes, it's a bug Apr 28 18:45:21 few days - it stopped working for me at sunday Apr 28 18:46:17 j #openmoko-cdevel Apr 28 18:46:23 j #openmoko-cdevel Apr 28 18:46:39 lol Apr 28 18:46:47 hasn't been working for me at all Apr 28 18:46:53 and I just flashed Apr 28 18:47:51 well, I'm off Apr 28 18:47:58 ok, android installed, but can I find a 64bits adb somewhere ? Apr 28 18:52:25 badcloud: that commit broke suspend: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a Apr 28 18:52:53 and that commit seens to fix that: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=757e05085f26dc968f51d013d4e7ba12f2beee97;hp=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hb=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b;hpb=2a8231b3a4f4a7c8e60d128bc7df602a5d75bcbe Apr 28 18:53:02 i'm building new package to test it Apr 28 19:04:32 badcloud: ok, i can confirm - it's fixed. you only have to wait until updated packages come to repo ;) Apr 28 19:33:57 my fr resumes like crazy with the new kernel/shr unstable Apr 28 19:34:50 seems kernel related Apr 28 19:35:43 i have the todays fso unstable Apr 28 19:35:55 27th Apr 28 19:36:16 zhone is gone Apr 28 19:36:40 had to replace andys stable Apr 28 19:36:46 how is that for you, slaxxer? Apr 28 19:37:07 what replaced zhone? Apr 28 19:37:12 its working Apr 28 19:37:32 badcloud1: it's not kernel. it's fso issue. Apr 28 19:37:38 and issue is not with resuming. Apr 28 19:37:40 it doesn't suspend Apr 28 19:37:41 :P Apr 28 19:37:47 it only fallbacks to "apn -s" Apr 28 19:38:02 2.6.29 rc2 Apr 28 19:38:27 i dont think it fully suspends Apr 28 19:38:41 it's bug in frameworkd Apr 28 19:38:45 slaxxer: ^^^^ Apr 28 19:38:55 introduced by this commit: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a Apr 28 19:38:55 no power off menu Apr 28 19:39:32 how to fix? Apr 28 19:39:55 slaxxer: wait for mickey|bbl. he broke, he have to fix it :P Apr 28 19:40:03 :) Apr 28 19:41:34 dos1, that sucks Apr 28 19:41:35 in meantime you can revert that commit by hand Apr 28 19:42:54 how, dos1? Apr 28 19:43:23 badcloud1: look at that site, and edit /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/resource.py file Apr 28 19:43:55 thanks Apr 28 19:59:48 apm -s seems almost futile Apr 28 19:59:53 it wakes up after two sec Apr 28 20:01:11 Anyone running 1.5 on the Freerunner yet? Apr 28 20:03:20 badcloud2: as it's supposed. Apr 28 20:03:32 really? Apr 28 20:03:35 why is that? Apr 28 20:04:40 badcloud2: gsm wakes it up Apr 28 20:05:00 is there a way to avoid that? Apr 28 20:05:23 badcloud2: tell gsm not to wake you up needlessly Apr 28 20:05:36 badcloud2: cd /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/ ; rm resource.py; wget http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/resource.py Apr 28 20:05:48 dos1: what? Apr 28 20:05:50 thanks, dos1 Apr 28 20:06:07 lindi-: version without recent suspend changed Apr 28 20:06:13 before breakage ;) Apr 28 20:06:20 dos1: what breakage? Apr 28 20:06:32 lindi-: suspend breakage in frameworkd Apr 28 20:06:38 lindi-: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a Apr 28 20:06:57 ah Apr 28 20:07:00 dos1: is that breakage why frameworkd died overnight while on suspend for me? Apr 28 20:07:33 johnsu01: i suppose yes Apr 28 20:07:33 ;) Apr 28 20:10:34 I have to investigate more later, but basically after updating yesterday frameworkd was seriously misbehaving Apr 28 20:10:56 johnsu01: and you suspended in meantime? Apr 28 20:11:01 suspend is broken Apr 28 20:11:07 dos1: no, the supend issue was before that update Apr 28 20:11:14 two nights ago I think Apr 28 20:11:28 it wants to suspend every resource, even when it's disabled Apr 28 20:11:40 johnsu01: now there is another suspend issue Apr 28 20:11:47 which brokes GSM as well :P Apr 28 20:12:02 hm I see Apr 28 20:13:08 testing the suspend after the resource.py switch Apr 28 20:15:58 does it require a reboot, dos1? Apr 28 20:16:09 or rather, which service needs to be restarted? Apr 28 20:16:29 badcloud2: frameworkd of course Apr 28 20:16:31 and ophonekitd Apr 28 20:16:36 ok, thanks Apr 28 20:18:10 how do I restart ophonekitd? Apr 28 20:18:37 killall -9 ophonekitd Apr 28 20:18:49 and then run shr-settings ;) Apr 28 20:19:29 thanks yet again Apr 28 20:19:33 :) Apr 28 20:20:31 looks like I might need to reboot Apr 28 20:20:41 can't see any major change Apr 28 20:20:51 just wakes up as usual after 2 secs Apr 28 20:21:42 it should suspend after ~5 secs Apr 28 20:22:02 if it takes longer, bug is still there Apr 28 20:22:41 well, I'm interested in it not waking up unless there is an incoming call or message Apr 28 20:22:49 otherwise, let it snooze for all I care Apr 28 20:23:24 good day. Apr 28 20:23:51 would anyone know how to get USb networking working on debian install. Apr 28 20:24:00 nqe1: sure Apr 28 20:24:07 nqe1: debian on both sides? Apr 28 20:24:21 kernel .28 BSOD xp laptop. Apr 28 20:24:34 xp laptop? then I know nothing about it sorry Apr 28 20:24:40 no running .29, no crash, but no network either... Apr 28 20:24:51 doh Apr 28 20:25:13 I'm stuck with xp this week as I'm not at home this week Apr 28 20:25:41 badcloud2: when suspend takes longer, it fallbacks to apm -s Apr 28 20:25:41 lindi: you running debian .29? Apr 28 20:25:59 I realize Apr 28 20:26:12 and then it's "supposed" that it wakes up on any gsm activity Apr 28 20:26:21 but isn't there a form of suspend that won't wake after 5 or so seconds? Apr 28 20:26:24 nqe1: git head Apr 28 20:26:49 nqe1: debian with linux andy-tracking 9ecc089861ab2 Apr 28 20:27:08 andy is fs, right? Apr 28 20:27:09 or is that resource.py supposed to fix that Apr 28 20:27:17 nqe1: fs? Apr 28 20:27:25 jffs2 Apr 28 20:27:29 rebooted with the new resource.py, looks fine now Apr 28 20:27:34 nqe1: huh? andy is a kernel developer :) Apr 28 20:27:35 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * reebf7660265f 10/src/Makefile.am: Apr 28 20:27:35 freesmartphone.org: Fix build system for Vala 0.7 Apr 28 20:27:35 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes Apr 28 20:27:42 my bad Apr 28 20:27:44 badcloud2: frameworkd suspend. which is buggy now, and resource.py fixes that Apr 28 20:27:46 I should get going Apr 28 20:28:04 thanks for the info and help, dos1 Apr 28 20:29:21 lindi: I took mine from the fyp download @ http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/data/kernels/debian/2.6.29/ Apr 28 20:30:41 nqe1: imho it is just wrong to put binaries to SVN :( Apr 28 20:32:09 indeed, but it did not crash my xp. which made me smile... Apr 28 20:32:42 how about fixing your xp :P Apr 28 20:37:27 If I could do that... I wouldn't have bought a freerunner :-( Apr 28 20:40:45 i'll just try some kernels on my cf card ;-) Apr 28 20:42:42 lindi: so how'd you like running debian on your phone, workable? Apr 28 20:44:21 nqe1: the proprietary OS is buggy and ruins reliability :( Apr 28 20:44:26 nqe1: (in the GSM chip) Apr 28 20:47:48 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rddd235f360c5 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: Apr 28 20:47:48 freesmartphone.org: Fix for GLib.Dir API breakout Apr 28 20:47:48 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes Apr 28 20:49:42 can somebody please forward me the output of "lsusb -vvv" so that I can see what endpoints g_ether uses? the cpu of my fr is stopped under a debugger, can't test easily :) Apr 28 20:51:31 when I'm done skyping with my girl, I'll risk hooking the OM up to xp... and lsusb -vvv for you Apr 28 20:52:50 nqe1: You're going to see how XP identifies itself over USB? Apr 28 20:53:35 nope is for 'lindi', but my xp can crash.. Apr 28 20:53:50 nqe1: but i'd need lsmod from PC sid Apr 28 20:53:52 +e Apr 28 20:54:09 but nevermind, I already had to reboot to new kernel.. Apr 28 21:01:25 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r2e2a34d2c289 10/src/Makefile.am: Apr 28 21:01:25 freesmartphone.org: Fix bad source files for valac Apr 28 21:01:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes Apr 28 21:17:19 *just recovered from bsod by attattaching usb* Apr 28 21:35:54 Hmm, is debian a good OS to run on neo freerunner? Apr 28 21:38:22 Alesis-Novik: to it's probably the os with most future. any good? I can't say I'm using it as my default phone yet. Apr 28 21:39:22 just create multiboot & test some out. Apr 28 21:53:28 My freeRunner suddenly stopped being able to connect to GSM. Any ideas? I tried: rebooting; reseating the sim and rebooting. Apr 28 21:54:20 Can you get to the SIM at all? e.g. bringing up your contact list? Apr 28 21:54:43 Yes, I can bring up my contact list Apr 28 21:55:36 I am using 2008.12, I think, if that helps any Apr 28 21:56:38 novalis_dt: ugh Apr 28 21:56:56 afaik the 2008 series is totally unsupported now Apr 28 21:57:04 So I should be using what/ Apr 28 21:57:05 ? Apr 28 21:57:08 I know SHR has developers on it, as does debian Apr 28 21:57:18 SHR? Apr 28 21:57:25 Or FSO if you just want the very basic phone functionality Apr 28 21:57:30 ah Apr 28 21:57:42 SHR is a community release built on top of FSO Apr 28 21:57:50 I use it as my daily phone Apr 28 21:58:05 The developers hang out in #openmoko-cdevel Apr 28 21:58:27 Can you recommend a release for SHR? Apr 28 21:58:37 I know the April 16 release is good Apr 28 21:58:42 I think the later one is, too Apr 28 21:58:53 But the latest shr-testing should always be good Apr 28 21:59:26 ok, thanks. I'll try it... Apr 28 21:59:33 That said, if you were able to connect to GSM, and you didn't update any software on your phone and now you can't, I'm not sure SHR will make a difference Apr 28 21:59:40 Can't hurt. Apr 28 22:00:02 However, if you still have the problem, you can check the gsm connection with a gui, and you can monitor dbus traffic to see if there's a problem Apr 28 22:00:18 And developers in #openmoko-cdevel are usually quite responsive with help Apr 28 22:00:50 cool, thanks. Apr 28 22:03:16 yw Apr 28 22:11:10 How can I tell what version of the GTA02 I have? Apr 28 22:18:04 saracen, if you don't know, it is gta02v06 Apr 28 22:19:30 Based upon what logic? Apr 28 22:27:37 Does reflashing a few times affect the phone in any negative way? Apr 28 22:28:08 The flash inside has a limited lifespan, counted in number of writes. Apr 28 22:29:26 <|Marco|> is ther anyone that can point me to info on why that is, when it comes to most flash storage? Apr 28 22:30:07 you need to use higher voltage to store information in it, and that burns out the cells Apr 28 22:32:51 the other question will be: are there any currently know issues with the debian autoinstaller? Apr 28 22:33:28 <|Marco|> viq: right, I remember someone telling me about that. What sort of cells are we talking about? technical info if you know Apr 28 22:34:02 I don't. "the inner workings of flash memory" Apr 28 22:35:02 It's basically a tradeoff between cycle life, technology of production, initial reliability, and cost Apr 28 22:37:38 <|Marco|> I was thinking about what the cells are made of Apr 28 22:38:19 silicon Apr 28 22:38:23 doped randomly Apr 28 22:38:32 <|Marco|> okayokay :P Apr 28 22:43:23 Well - very nonrandomly using deep-UV phase-shift masks, and billion dollar fabs, but... Apr 28 22:45:08 short answer to the original question: no need to worry about it any more than you'd worry about your USB memory stick dying Apr 28 22:45:21 no Apr 28 22:45:29 is there a way to get /dev/dsp working? snd-*-oss doesnt really work.. Apr 28 23:01:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r633ffc7bb9bb 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: Implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetRTC() -> (i) Apr 28 23:19:03 How do I create a new shortcut (launcher) on the desktop? Apr 28 23:30:45 gustavold: add a file in /usr/share/applications Apr 28 23:32:47 Weiss: thanks Apr 28 23:35:56 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r26df690e5c08 10/ (ChangeLog src/mainwindow.vala): add fullscreen button Apr 28 23:35:57 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r2f849c5690d8 10/src/ (mainwindow.vala terminal.vala): header fix Apr 29 02:53:47 anyone running shr-testing on gta02 and can tell me what happens when the battery goes flat while the phone is suspended Apr 29 02:54:46 is it supposed to warn you? On gta01 it seems to discharge the battery to zero volts :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 29 02:59:57 2009