**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 05 02:59:57 2009 May 05 03:39:27 re May 05 03:39:33 is there anybody awake? May 05 03:39:46 http://www.opkg.org/package_143.html May 05 03:39:53 ^^ how to start gridpad? May 05 03:50:22 ok figured out, just cant switch back to normal keyboard May 05 05:33:34 shr testing get fixed? May 05 05:34:17 I hope so May 05 05:39:10 unless they just replaced the files itss still stuck on may2-3 May 05 05:39:41 opkg upgrade killed my install May 05 05:40:08 a fresh flash of 0503 is kinda broken too May 05 05:40:18 no what? May 05 05:40:37 sound? May 05 05:41:06 power button, instead of bringing up the poweroff/suspend menu, draws a thin line down the screen and freezes May 05 05:41:21 yup that too May 05 05:41:24 like the animation for it is broken or something May 05 05:41:33 gprs settings dont persist May 05 05:41:41 its a feature May 05 05:42:47 less is better unless u can hack your friends iphone standing next to them May 05 05:43:32 or not May 05 05:46:58 chance, that somebody pointed me a week old shr image file May 05 05:47:07 and flashed it, and works May 05 05:47:36 (more or less) Paroli is much more responsible. And this phonebook application tends to silently fail May 05 05:48:20 which image u flash? May 05 05:48:54 0422 or 0416 May 05 05:50:47 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin May 05 05:50:54 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 May 05 05:51:05 yea me to May 05 05:51:07 slaxxer: ^^ these two May 05 05:51:20 already have em,") May 05 05:51:38 but flashed om2009 too, and paroli is really great. Just I missed the other applications May 05 05:52:07 u can add them as u see fit May 05 05:52:31 Im thinking to reinstall it, and disable paroli fullscreen May 05 05:52:46 (I accidentally enabled when asked at the first run) May 05 05:52:57 oooo sso u cant see a desktop? May 05 05:53:07 oic May 05 05:53:34 * PaulFertser wonders where do people who post _that_ kind of nonsense to linux arm kernel ML come from: http://pastebin.com/m6853ff49 May 05 05:53:58 i hah an image that had zhone an paroli working together May 05 05:54:36 wow May 05 05:54:46 I would really like an image, where shr would mix with paroli. So the telephony application would be replaced by paroli. May 05 05:55:05 you can install paroli on shr if I'm not mistaken May 05 05:55:13 And the keyboards (terminal keyboard, gridpad, illume keyboard) would work flawlessly together May 05 05:55:37 ndnihil: I will in the coming weeks;) May 05 05:55:51 khiraly1: there is a setting in paroli to switch to illume mdoe May 05 05:55:54 mode May 05 05:56:00 by the way I installed intone. And it misses the mplayer package. And Im unable to find it May 05 05:56:09 mirko-paroli: where? May 05 05:56:25 shr-unstable repository May 05 05:56:29 edit /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg at the very bottom, set [settings] to True May 05 05:56:34 and then restart paroli May 05 05:56:42 on the home screen hold the aux-button pressen May 05 05:56:47 and you get a settings app May 05 05:56:56 mirko-paroli: my two biggest usability issue with paroli is no sound feedback ("click") and some buttons does not have clicked state. So I cant see if I clicked on it or not May 05 05:57:01 press Display and you can switch the enlightenment profiles May 05 05:57:29 khiraly1: I agree with the second one, the first is up for debate ;) May 05 05:57:31 mirko-paroli: yepp, just in the default om2009 install there is only paroli and no terminal. So I reflashed with shr. But I will return to it, and set up ssh to it May 05 05:57:52 mirko-paroli: especially the back button May 05 05:57:58 yepp May 05 05:58:00 agreed May 05 05:58:05 * ndnihil flasing the latest fso-paroli again May 05 05:58:33 sound feedback is important because the phone is slow (right now), so dont know/feel if I correctly touched the button or not May 05 05:58:41 I don't think it made it to gui last night when I tried May 05 05:58:59 khiraly1: I am currently trying to get all settings/apps etc finished, functionality wise and then I'll go back to the usability things May 05 05:59:17 3-5 minuits May 05 05:59:23 you doing a proper mail app>? May 05 05:59:28 s/>//g May 05 05:59:29 ndnihil meant: you doing a proper mail app? May 05 05:59:42 ndnihil: I just falshed the latest unstable and it works out of da box here May 05 05:59:46 mirko-paroli: but it is only some .edj theming issue (the button) or some more deeper May 05 05:59:54 hrm, which unstable? May 05 05:59:59 khiraly1: indeed May 05 06:00:09 oh wait, I tried shr unstable, not om unstable May 05 06:00:11 (that was a question;) May 05 06:00:55 khiraly1: in theory it is only a theme issue, just a few calls I guess May 05 06:00:58 mirko: the 0504 build? May 05 06:01:07 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ May 05 06:01:32 ah, I was in unstable/daily May 05 06:01:44 it's the 4th here, but could be something on the server May 05 06:01:52 mirko-paroli: but overall paroli is awesome. Really responsible, the dialer app is just a killer app, etc May 05 06:01:54 hmm, nytowl has issues with it May 05 06:02:00 so keep up the good work. May 05 06:02:05 I've got the recent testing halfway on there May 05 06:02:09 khiraly1: thx :) May 05 06:02:13 but I'll try that unstable when it's done May 05 06:03:29 and the neo is really beautiful in real life May 05 06:03:50 * ndnihil was pretty impressed with the box it came in May 05 06:03:54 from photos looks ugly. But in real life the plastic housing is first class May 05 06:04:42 especially this kind of rubber on it May 05 06:04:53 its essentially scratch proof;) May 05 06:06:13 *sigh* mine will come in the mail tomorrow or the day after. :-P May 05 06:07:12 bastards dropped the price by $100 the day after mine showed up May 05 06:08:40 yeah, that's what convinced me to finally buy one. been mulling it over for the past year May 05 06:09:33 stuck in a contract with verizon for a few more months, but i figure i should take advantage of the sale, and maybe by the time my contract is up i can switch providers and my freerunner might be usable as a day-to-day phone by then (october) May 05 06:10:04 and in the meantime maybe i could develop for it so that I can help make that happen. May 05 06:11:04 on the other hand, if all that fails, it'll be fun to mess around with anyhow :-D May 05 06:13:43 but freerunner is not tied to any provider. So why cant you just insert a verizon sim card in it? May 05 06:14:06 verizon is cdma May 05 06:14:10 no sim May 05 06:14:49 line phone? May 05 06:14:58 nope May 05 06:15:04 cdma May 05 06:15:09 the freerunner is gsm May 05 06:15:14 gsm uses sim May 05 06:15:18 cdma does not May 05 06:15:54 yeah. same for sprint, cricket, a few others i think May 05 06:16:40 fortunately you can buy a t-mobile SIM card for like $7 off of their website, so i'll at least have something to test with May 05 06:16:59 never seen cdma phone May 05 06:17:14 not here in Europe at least May 05 06:17:31 I don't think you use cdma on that side of the pond May 05 06:17:45 at least not until you get over towards asia May 05 06:18:38 khiraly1: they look pretty much like gsm phones May 05 06:18:38 :) May 05 06:18:45 raster: its usa only? May 05 06:18:52 raster: they're uglier. :-P May 05 06:18:53 no May 05 06:18:56 korea is also cdma May 05 06:19:03 australia had a cdma network May 05 06:19:08 its being pulled down now May 05 06:19:12 as gsmkicked its butt May 05 06:19:17 hmm. code division multiple access. I remember some protocol things from uni May 05 06:19:22 i think u will find cdmaq in a fewother places too May 05 06:19:37 morning May 05 06:19:44 but wikipedia shows at least a photo of a phone May 05 06:19:44 verizon claims that they are switching to more open/linux-based stuff (i.e. limo and whatnot) but i don't see them dropping CDMA ever. May 05 06:19:45 sypher7: actually cmda phones are no uglier than gsm May 05 06:19:52 its the same thing just a few chips difference May 05 06:20:02 in fact some phones come win cdma ANd gsm versions May 05 06:20:11 identical from the outside May 05 06:20:15 raster: i know. :-D mine is just uglier May 05 06:20:50 than the freerunner that is May 05 06:20:56 the leather case is really worth the money. But the slim keyboard hardly May 05 06:21:22 in fact.. you could say cdma has won May 05 06:21:25 as 3g is cdma May 05 06:21:29 wcdma to b e exact May 05 06:21:35 so difficult to type on it. And requires some "button battery" (like in watches) May 05 06:23:50 to be honest i have nothing against CDMA. verizon always provided pretty reliable service. unfortunately they are a bit more expensive than other providers and i'm gun-ho about using a freerunner as a daily phone some day, so for those two reasons i'll probably switch providers May 05 07:18:02 good morning. I updated to 2009 testing, so far it went smooth e.g. flashing kernel and roofs May 05 07:19:26 but the desktop is very "solid", I only can have b&w color theme. is this the current development stage? or can I somehow change it? I installed a lot programs but none becomes visible on the desktop May 05 07:25:37 try yesterdays release May 05 07:25:41 I just flashed it May 05 07:25:48 you get both illume and paroli May 05 07:30:00 good morning May 05 07:35:12 ndnihil: opkg May 05 07:35:14 opps May 05 07:35:37 opkg is also working? I'm familar with it :) May 05 07:35:51 it is really easy like apt-get May 05 07:36:05 I only use it to install things May 05 07:36:09 haven't tried update May 05 07:36:18 not that there would be much to update from yesterdays build May 05 07:36:32 btw: will there also be an aptitude clone (let me say: optitude?) available? May 05 07:36:37 ok May 05 07:36:56 you can use apt/aptitude, if you install debian on your fr May 05 07:37:15 yes, I know. :) May 05 10:10:59 hello May 05 10:11:23 i reinstalled all software on the om and now it is working (didn't expect that) May 05 10:11:33 however my sd card still is not found by my system May 05 10:11:45 which driver has to be loaded for that device? May 05 10:19:31 different question: http://labs.o-hand.com/2008/02/05/openmoko-wifi-driver/ <- is this an open source driver for that ar6k chip in the openmoko? May 05 10:22:55 qknight: it's in the linux kernel so it have to be open-source May 05 10:24:26 that is good! May 05 10:24:50 did anyone here detect screen corruption in X? May 05 10:25:00 i have 3 differe3nt types of screen buffer corruption May 05 10:25:14 which distri do you use? my sd card works out of the box in shr May 05 10:25:23 shr May 05 10:25:30 and i issues an opkg upgrade May 05 10:25:36 which didn't went that successful May 05 10:32:00 is the module for that sd-cardreader included in the kernel or as module? May 05 10:35:08 qknight: on my shr no module is loaded for this, so it should be included in kernel May 05 10:35:10 ok May 05 10:35:39 after reloading this module (rmmod s3cmci; modprobe s3cmci) for the sd card reader i get this: http://rafb.net/p/yqzwpu88.html May 05 10:36:38 qknight: /dev/mmcblk0p1 did't exists? May 05 10:37:11 s3cmci is loaded at my phone but thats the sdio chip i think May 05 10:39:09 Hi guys, does anyone have any accuracy issues with tangoGPS on SHR? I recently was at -6m altitude on a road, also my traces can be a fair way off those on OSM when editing in JOSM May 05 10:39:39 anttna_: that's not a tangoGPS problem. that's what happens with GPS all the time. May 05 10:40:18 anttna_: but your FR on the table, get a fix, and record position for several hours - you'll get a red circle with at least 25m diameter May 05 10:40:27 "put" even May 05 10:41:11 Wonka: thanks, that's not reassuring :) May 05 10:41:54 anttna_: it's not military grade GPS, where they even get the signal digitally signed ;) May 05 10:42:03 for higher precision, you'd need a military receiver May 05 10:42:29 Cool will there be one in the next phone? May 05 10:42:34 P May 05 10:42:42 next phone, hahahahahahahahah May 05 10:42:43 lol May 05 10:42:45 anttna_: sure, but it will be available only to the military ;) May 05 10:43:06 the receivers could be able to, but you won't get the key May 05 10:43:36 afaik there are civilian GPS receivers that use the phase of the P-Code to get better resolution May 05 10:43:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb3d3ccfa4d7 10/ (ChangeLog framework/patterns/loophole.py): May 05 10:43:48 freesmartphone.org: patterns: add loophole object to prepare for post-mortem/live interactive debugging May 05 10:43:48 freesmartphone.org: next step: hand out references to interesting objects to network interpreter May 05 10:44:05 So I take it that even a fancy garmin will be no better? I haven't had a chance to compare traces yet May 05 10:44:06 10 times the chip rate makes 10 times better resolution May 05 10:44:42 anttna_: it might be, if it used some better technology than antaris 4 May 05 10:44:52 There are also some other tricks - you take the GPS measurment in a well known geographical location, and note the offset - and the offset will be the same for all GPS in a certain (IIRC rather large) area May 05 10:45:11 viq: differential GPS May 05 10:45:37 viq: you'd need Internet for that, i think. shortens battery lifetime even more. May 05 10:45:51 of course May 05 10:46:47 well I was moving slowly in traffic when I went -6m altitude, so that makes sense if stationary it gives a 25m circle. May 05 10:52:50 hi guys... got my freerunner today, but the "Settings" application won't open. This was a brand new. Any thoughts? May 05 10:53:36 alfiejohn: the phone was probably shipped with some ancient distro that is not supported anymore :) May 05 10:55:16 cool.. i'll update the distro. thanks May 05 10:56:41 alfiejohn: prepare for the bugs, I hope you have patience and/or skills to help :) May 05 10:57:42 lol. i know what i'm in for... but i'm sick of the lockin from the jesus phone May 05 10:58:26 alfiejohn: you'll want to upgrade the gsm firmware too May 05 10:58:44 any wifi-radar or wireshark tool available for FR? May 05 10:58:45 cool. and all of this is on the wiki? May 05 10:59:07 sorry... i opened the box like 5 minutes ago and want to get started :) May 05 10:59:18 rhaeder: wireshark is at opkg.org May 05 10:59:47 rhaeder: wireshark works May 05 10:59:50 Heinervdm: thx :D May 05 11:00:24 rhaeder: but do you really want to use it on fr? how about just capturing with tcpdump and viewing on pc? May 05 11:00:28 alfiejohn: go to wiki.openmoko.org and click on Community Portal and search for recent community update. follow that link to the images. good luck with flashing May 05 11:01:05 lindi: it is just an idea or quick thought May 05 11:01:48 hi, my debian system no longer boot with nodm May 05 11:02:02 actually it only boots by typing startx at prompt May 05 11:02:25 /etc/init.d/fail silently May 05 11:02:36 /etc/init.d/nodm start i mean May 05 11:02:49 rhaeder++ May 05 11:03:00 what the trick please? May 05 11:03:00 Heinervdm: so you think that /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not have much to do with the s3cmci May 05 11:03:07 thanks guys for your help. May 05 11:03:20 cya folks. May 05 11:03:32 Heinervdm: but if that module is so imporantnt for / (as your question might imply) why can i unload it then? May 05 11:03:37 qknight: it's connected to this chip but there have to be anorther module for it May 05 11:06:19 takeiteasy: 1) please "sudo strace -o s -s4096 -f /etc/init.d/nodm" and put the file "s" online somewhere May 05 11:06:29 takeiteasy: also consider moving this to #openmoko-debian May 05 11:06:44 qknight: don't know why you've problems with it :) normally it should run May 05 11:06:56 Heinervdm: i've done an update May 05 11:07:03 Heinervdm: this probably killed it May 05 11:07:21 rebootet after the ubdate? May 05 11:07:23 still i got other issues, too May 05 11:07:29 Heinervdm: i've rebooted several times May 05 11:07:47 shr-testing or unstable? May 05 11:07:58 for instance my X seems to have no 'suspend/shutdown' menu when pressing the right button (which is next to the usb plug) May 05 11:08:06 Heinervdm: i don't know May 05 11:08:17 Heinervdm: i did just an 'opkg upgrade' after a update May 05 11:08:54 err May 05 11:08:56 now it works May 05 11:08:56 shr-unstable is bronken, perhaps testing too, don't know May 05 11:08:58 don't ask why May 05 11:09:07 i opened the device and replugged the sd card May 05 11:09:10 maybe because of that?! May 05 11:10:28 perhaps :) May 05 11:14:12 at least it works now again May 05 11:14:14 Heinervdm: thanks May 05 11:14:36 well (expect the power off menu) May 05 11:21:08 sorry for disconnect May 05 11:28:06 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r973a972b5603 10/framework/ (frameworkd patterns/loophole.py): inject controller object into loophole; from there we should be able to gather all interesting references May 05 11:29:17 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf7b0ec1d5feb 10/examples/ (4 files in 2 dirs): examples: add ecore and edje example skeletons May 05 11:29:18 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0442064b5cc8 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): ecore.vapi: add enough canvas to show a window May 05 11:29:19 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r07ae7827c555 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): examples: bind more stuff to make edje example application work May 05 11:29:20 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r423b108ce012 10/ (examples/edje/edje.vala vapi/edje.vapi): example: connecting a signal works May 05 11:29:21 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r4f7b5583b53e 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): edje.vapi: add more callbacks May 05 11:29:23 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r451bec04b042 10/ (examples/edje/edje.vala vapi/edje.vapi): edje.vapi: add missing functions May 05 11:29:26 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r39992c3f13a7 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas.vapi: bind more of evas May 05 11:34:09 hmmm, the paroli desktop is now a window and when I close it I'm on the enlightenment desktop :) May 05 11:34:45 rhaeder: yeah, sth odd with the profile, but paroli is still running May 05 11:35:08 the desktop file should be a dbus call and thus reopen paroli May 05 11:36:35 mirko-paroli: it doesn't show up May 05 11:36:51 can you log into the console via shh? May 05 11:36:53 ssh May 05 11:37:30 yes, I can May 05 11:37:54 and how do I kill an oversized window? May 05 11:38:04 it is cellhunter :/ May 05 11:38:14 with "kill " okaz May 05 11:38:19 -z+y May 05 11:38:30 oversized? May 05 11:38:46 it is all over the screen and I cannot move it around May 05 11:38:49 oh May 05 11:38:57 seems to be "integrated" into the desktop May 05 11:39:05 no menu at top May 05 11:39:08 killall celhunter ? May 05 11:39:11 no border May 05 11:39:13 ok May 05 11:40:05 dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.tichy.launcher /Launcher org.tichy.Launcher.Launch string:Paroli-Launcher2 May 05 11:40:14 that should reopen the launcher May 05 11:41:31 cellhunter has no process May 05 11:41:43 it is somehow the desktop :( May 05 11:41:44 ps x | grep cellhunter May 05 11:42:00 ahh :) May 05 11:43:47 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r78454ef2ea30 10/src/opimd/frameworkd-glib-opimd-contacts.c: May 05 11:43:47 freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix ContactQuery.GetMultipleResults May 05 11:43:47 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 05 11:43:48 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rfbaa066826bf 10/src/opimd/ (2 files): May 05 11:43:48 freesmartphone.org: opimd: implement MessageQuery.GetMultipleResults May 05 11:43:49 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 05 11:44:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9fb573a66540 10/framework/patterns/loophole.py: loophole: deal with varying line endings May 05 11:49:26 now I know why paroli is an application and not integrated into the desktop... :) May 05 11:49:40 I have changed the profile to netbook via AUX and PWR buttons May 05 11:53:25 I changed that rendering thingy from SOFTWARE to XRANDR and these pixels from buffer problems went away May 05 11:54:12 you know what I mean? these pixels are colored and show up in upper area of the desktop because of buffer problems or so May 05 11:55:12 hello! anyone from SHR can tell me, which package now provides libecore.so.0 May 05 11:56:10 devilshawk: I'm not SHR but maye e-wm-lib or e-wm-core may be your candidates May 05 11:56:27 just a wild guess :) May 05 11:57:15 hmm.. both packages do not exist, at least in the unstable repo May 05 11:58:33 or e17-core/lib ? I have om2009 here May 05 12:00:13 devilshawk: I think the package is now called ecore, at least on OM2009 it is May 05 12:00:42 hmm problem is SHR only provides ecore-dbg and ecore-dev but no ecore only package May 05 12:01:03 does enlightenment run without ecore? May 05 12:02:22 nup May 05 12:03:03 there is no libecore ? May 05 12:05:13 no enligthenment does not run without libecore, which is why it would be nice to have a libecore :) May 05 12:05:22 devilshawk: ah May 05 12:05:58 the package names changed from SHR names to OE names in unstable but there seems to be some missing ones May 05 12:06:20 so any SHR devs around? May 05 12:06:33 try #openmoko-cdevel May 05 12:08:08 will do May 05 12:15:23 in paroli I/O i have outgoing calls. but I cannot delete them. only the "delete" button disappears May 05 12:15:26 is this knw May 05 12:15:30 known? May 05 12:18:28 rhaeder: after clicking the edit button May 05 12:18:39 all calls are marked for deletion May 05 12:19:00 once you hit the done button (top right) the once marked with delete will be removed May 05 12:19:15 they remain :/ May 05 12:19:29 even if the "delete" is still next to them? May 05 12:19:54 yes May 05 12:19:57 oh May 05 12:19:59 not good May 05 12:20:48 updates are 15/6 hrs ago May 05 12:23:43 never mind May 05 12:23:49 they passed away May 05 12:23:55 ? May 05 12:24:05 I missed-interpreted the red "delete" button May 05 12:24:16 i clicked I/O -> edit -> Done May 05 12:24:27 then all calls are removed May 05 12:24:40 ah, good, so it does work ? May 05 12:25:06 yes May 05 12:25:13 ah k May 05 12:25:28 clicking again on I/O no calls are listed May 05 12:25:58 nice May 05 12:26:05 but on bottom screen is a white border. it disappears once you are back in main screen May 05 12:26:19 that is an outline from the elementary.Scroller May 05 12:26:38 I/O, Msgs and People does have this white border May 05 12:26:45 ok May 05 12:26:47 yepp, all of them have lists May 05 12:26:48 :) May 05 12:27:01 it'll probably go rather soon though May 05 12:27:05 once I get back on the theme May 05 12:28:20 when you move the clock to ride side, the alarm appears and on second digit another number is displayed. little bug :) May 05 12:29:22 pressing AUX does sometimes not change the sound profile default<->silent May 05 12:29:32 hmm May 05 12:29:48 I'll redo the alarm/time setting thingy May 05 12:29:53 that'll go into settings May 05 12:30:17 k May 05 12:30:26 the aux-button thign is off May 05 12:30:34 s/off/odd May 05 12:31:13 k, be back in a bit May 05 12:31:41 if you find a bug, we have a trac at http://www.paroli-project.org/trac May 05 12:31:43 :) May 05 12:32:36 ok :) May 05 12:52:18 enabling all three colors in enlightment settings causes the color settings window to be dead May 05 12:53:53 persistance.py 57 persistance WARNING can't open file : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/root/.paroli/messages/phone' May 05 12:54:04 I restartet X May 05 13:15:40 rhaeder: the error in persistance 57 is no problem May 05 13:15:49 it just means that you have no messages stored on the phone itself May 05 13:16:11 i created that missing folder to avoid the warning May 05 13:16:26 well, I need to learn python to help you :) May 05 13:16:26 an incoming sms would have done the trick :) May 05 13:16:31 hehe May 05 13:16:34 sounds good :) May 05 13:16:48 never received one since I lost another cell phone :/ May 05 13:17:00 hmm May 05 13:17:45 what about auto-creation of missing folders to avoid warning messages in x.log? May 05 13:18:01 rhaeder: they are created once needed May 05 13:18:10 k May 05 13:19:38 when do you add the media player or other apps from the phone to paroli? May 05 13:19:45 milestone5 or 6? May 05 13:19:51 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap May 05 13:19:54 I read here May 05 13:19:59 ah May 05 13:20:05 that was just a possibility May 05 13:20:10 depends when I get around to it May 05 13:20:15 but probably after om2009 release May 05 13:20:34 until then I'll rely on other progs May 05 13:20:41 ok May 05 13:20:44 although I would love to do a mail client May 05 13:20:52 none of them are made for small screens etc May 05 13:20:57 date scheduler May 05 13:21:02 yeah May 05 13:21:09 or a chat client same prob as with mail cleint May 05 13:21:30 pidgin might be too big to launch on FR? May 05 13:22:19 pidgin is almost fine May 05 13:22:30 but require many customization May 05 13:22:40 lightspeed and singularity would be cool to have on FR :D May 05 13:22:40 and options dialogs still to big May 05 13:23:01 they are both python games May 05 13:23:03 max_posedon: yeah I used it a few times May 05 13:23:13 but just not really comfortable May 05 13:23:21 coz it uses several wins etc May 05 13:23:32 it is not horizontal navigation but vertical May 05 13:24:07 i had a short look at telepathy, xmpp via dbus, maybe that is a good basis May 05 13:24:46 telapathy becomes popular now) May 05 13:25:10 I looked there with one eye, really easy to use. May 05 13:25:27 and nice, that it can support all pidgin protocols May 05 13:25:32 yeah May 05 13:25:57 sadly for now i have to focus on paroli main and a jamendo client May 05 13:29:14 the paroli clock is some minutes in advance. can I reverse it? May 05 13:29:30 rhaeder: sadly it goes only one way May 05 13:29:32 and it is very good that you added a "backspace" key to paroli :D May 05 13:29:33 for now May 05 13:29:48 I missed that very much in om2008.8/9 May 05 13:30:15 mirko: fast double-tick on screen means reverse May 05 13:30:19 is that possible? May 05 13:30:36 could be in theory yes May 05 13:30:46 but I thought of moving it into settings May 05 13:30:51 just have a plain time set May 05 13:31:08 my provider is not displayed in upper right corner May 05 13:31:13 true May 05 13:31:32 should it? May 05 13:31:36 ok, so this is known? or you need ticket? May 05 13:31:50 would be better like on every phone it is usual May 05 13:32:32 k, I'll add it to my list as optional display :) May 05 13:32:36 an "airplane mode" where all antennas (including bluetooth, wifi, gsm, gps) are locked would be nice :) May 05 13:33:52 ah, I found a little bug May 05 13:35:21 the "alarm clock overlay bug" only happens when you are in "time-change-mode", I mean when you change time May 05 13:35:24 rhaeder: GPS does not emit May 05 13:35:50 SpeedEvil: ok, wasn't aware about this :) May 05 13:35:52 I'd like provider, or cock, as an option. May 05 13:35:54 clock May 05 13:36:09 * SpeedEvil should try paroli. May 05 13:36:12 Does it work on 01? May 05 13:36:43 Paroli seems to be python-based May 05 13:37:12 SpeedEvil: angus says it should mostly May 05 13:37:31 rhaeder: if so, that would lead to an obvious airplane mode joke May 05 13:37:46 ? May 05 13:37:59 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf0a0e72952b0 10/framework/resource.py: resource.py: get rid of callback factory and rewrite for improved clarity. This does NOT fix #416 though. May 05 13:37:59 SpeedEvil: optional clock? May 05 13:38:35 mirko-paroli: I mean a clock or a operator name May 05 13:38:52 there is a clock on every screen May 05 13:38:52 mirko-paroli: however, I've not actually used it, so there may be a clock, in whihc case please ignoer May 05 13:38:57 ah May 05 13:38:59 k May 05 13:39:00 :) May 05 13:39:01 sorry :) May 05 13:39:05 the operator as optional might be good May 05 13:39:07 no worries May 05 13:40:48 heh? the alarm overlay bug is hardly to reproduce :/ May 05 13:42:33 another strange thing: when the current theme (e.g. paroli) has turned the screen medium dark brightness, and you restart X, the console and enlightenment are both the same brightness May 05 13:45:19 the dimming is handled by the framework and is an x setting, I assume they set the variables, so if you then stop the X-server, the display settings remain May 05 13:46:22 yes, that what happens here May 05 13:46:39 should that be reported to OM? May 05 13:46:45 i believe that is technically not a bug May 05 13:47:08 you could try on you desktop and see if the same thing happens May 05 13:47:12 I would guess it does May 05 13:54:51 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/135 May 05 13:54:58 this would be nice :) May 05 13:58:03 in peopel? May 05 13:58:06 people? May 05 13:58:16 can you slide the person's entry to the right? May 05 13:59:06 where must i tick and slide? May 05 13:59:50 so maybe I cant May 05 14:05:21 in the people list May 05 14:05:35 you should be able to drag the indiv entry to the right May 05 14:05:48 you have to drag more than 50% to the right May 05 14:05:55 it is not real draggin iirc May 05 14:09:34 I would prefer clicking :) May 05 14:09:43 like in the qtopia suite May 05 14:11:31 the virtual keyboard is not disappearing, another bug May 05 14:12:32 and overlong messages which become spilitted into two are displayed as two individual messages May 05 14:12:41 you need tickets for these? May 05 14:22:09 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset <-- here it is said that a 3.5>2.5 converter may work. Did someone test a HAMA model before? I don't like that the soundchip take damage because of short circuits May 05 14:28:16 I mean this product: http://www.hama.de/portal/articleId*23612/action*2563;jsessionid=E9454D8F5221980A524D6544D04BF536.tomcat_de_lin34 May 05 14:28:22 (German page) May 05 14:28:53 opps, mono May 05 14:28:55 no, wrong May 05 14:30:56 http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/abb/00043377abb.jpg <-- why must here be a cable? :( May 05 14:35:11 this is circuit layer: http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/sch/00043377sch.jpg May 05 14:35:25 picture, OMG ;) May 05 14:44:14 for what i see in that adapter it won't work. May 05 14:44:52 it might be an adpater for iphone or something like that May 05 14:46:26 mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/136 <-- added all my ideas which I have so far May 05 14:47:02 i think it is a generic 3-pol on both sides :/ May 05 14:47:12 nullix: ^ May 05 14:49:01 for me 2.5 jack should have four rings May 05 14:53:34 jupp May 05 14:53:42 ok, need to go. they close in some minutes May 05 14:53:50 cya all! :D May 05 15:08:06 bonjour May 05 15:09:47 does anyone have any feedback on the new OM 2009 testing images.. I've been using Android for a while May 05 15:13:09 hello everyone, what package contains dbus-launch on FSO? May 05 15:44:19 ahoi May 05 15:52:09 silly to enter an irc# push out a question, then leave if no answer for >5min :-( May 05 15:52:21 (stongo) May 05 15:53:10 Algorithms are fun. http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/images?q=jenna+haze&qtype=similar&tbnid=JY4dr-qmlghFjM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djenna%2Bhaze%26hl%3Den&tprev=/images%3Fq%3Djenna%2Bhaze%26hl%3Den (randomly found, completely off-topic - mostly worksafe) May 05 15:58:28 LOL May 05 16:00:04 DocScrutinizer: I'm still here. May 05 16:03:00 Blackhex: my comment was about stongo May 05 16:12:41 hey all May 05 16:47:47 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rdb2b61b54ee7 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: add some useful dbus methods regarding backends May 05 16:48:37 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3d97e5f3a85a 10/framework/patterns/dbuscache.py: patterns: add a dbus cache for object connections May 05 16:48:39 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9c31977a2185 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (action.py fso_actions.py leds_actions.py oevents.py): oeventsd: use dbus cache and misc. cleanups May 05 17:14:40 SpeedEvil: lol May 05 17:15:04 :) May 05 17:16:04 SpeedEvil: thought you were shanghaid by OM's recuiting folks last night? ;-) May 05 17:19:59 *nerv* May 05 17:20:03 mein nick May 05 17:28:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rabfe3711bbfc 10/src/opimd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 05 17:28:35 freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix MessageQuery interface to use proxy instead of query path May 05 17:28:35 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann May 05 17:43:41 freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6a12a0e3a15c 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: May 05 17:43:41 freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Handle the case where AT+CLIR? only returns OK May 05 17:43:41 freesmartphone.org: o.f.GSM.Network.GetCallingIdentification now returns "unknown". May 05 17:48:28 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3eb39ba4e2ec 10fso-monitord/src/ (monitor.vala phone.vala preferences.vala): added some missing const for interfaces May 05 17:48:29 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r47e2846be079 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: fixed typo for HLID_BUSNAME May 05 18:00:30 * max_posedon summons PaulFertser May 05 18:09:03 freesmartphone.org: 03 07framework * r31b557ddfe6a 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: use subprocess.call to get rid of zombies (when using xset) May 05 18:27:55 With paroli, I have settings set to true, but the AUX button has no effect. May 05 18:28:15 alephnull: do you press it or hold it? May 05 18:28:48 Either. I can see the press and hold events in logread. May 05 18:29:03 and no reaction what so ever? May 05 18:29:15 can you put the whole paroli.log into a pastebin? May 05 18:29:41 Nope. No reaction. May 05 18:33:05 mirko-paroli: http://pastebin.ca/1413505 May 05 18:33:08 HTH. May 05 18:35:27 alephnull: the profile changing works May 05 18:35:48 Is there a way to get older packages from the repository? I upgraded some packages using the shr-testing repo and it broke enlightenment May 05 18:35:49 I just assume you restarted paroli after changing the settings option May 05 18:37:30 alephnull: or let me put it this way, the log says the profile switch works, but no mention of settings, so my guess it hasn't parsed the new cfg May 05 18:37:49 mirko-paroli: I rebooted the phone. May 05 18:38:01 friday's testing image? May 05 18:38:15 mirko-paroli: May 1, yes. May 05 18:38:32 mirko-paroli: How do I get it to parse the new cfg ? May 05 18:38:37 reboot ? May 05 18:38:42 yepp May 05 18:38:54 hmm May 05 18:38:56 odd May 05 18:39:16 you don't run paroli from source, right? May 05 18:39:20 Nope. May 05 18:39:23 hmm May 05 18:39:46 I just flashed the May 1 image. May 05 18:40:53 alephnull: can you still open apps ? May 05 18:41:48 mirko-paroli: No. But I just rebooted ... May 05 18:42:00 ah so those didn't respond either? May 05 18:42:16 No, I/O, People, etc. May 05 18:42:21 ah May 05 18:42:32 then the callbacks weren't regenerated May 05 18:42:34 hmm May 05 18:43:02 do you mind if I copy your log into my trac ( I will blank out numbers and messages) May 05 18:43:13 it means some callback didn't work May 05 18:43:23 mirko-paroli: Sure :) May 05 18:43:27 thx May 05 18:45:44 alephnull: did you ever close the msg app? May 05 18:47:22 mirko-paroli: Close via the illume top panel "X" ? Yes. May 05 18:47:30 ah May 05 18:47:33 ah May 05 18:47:34 AH May 05 18:47:42 that would be it then May 05 18:47:48 Is that a no-no ? May 05 18:47:58 well it is my f***-up May 05 18:48:25 i disconnect the callbacks to the button events when you launch an app May 05 18:48:32 and recreate them once you close it May 05 18:48:42 I guess I don't listen for the X event May 05 18:48:50 superb May 05 18:48:51 th May 05 18:48:53 thx May 05 18:48:54 that was a good one May 05 18:48:55 oh ok May 05 18:48:56 :) May 05 18:49:08 Glad to help. May 05 18:49:12 :) May 05 18:51:35 Is the settings menu supposed to have everything that is shown on http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/settings/ ? May 05 18:52:11 alephnull: not all but other stuff May 05 18:52:18 I am still working on bt and gps May 05 18:52:25 but there should be loads of settings May 05 18:52:39 I just have phone, gprs and display. May 05 18:52:45 oh May 05 18:52:55 ah May 05 18:53:06 maybe they didn't make it into the last testing image May 05 18:53:14 I did a lot of them over the weekend May 05 18:53:20 we should have a new testing by the end of this week May 05 18:53:29 if you don't wanna wait there is a new unstable May 05 18:53:34 which is only an hour old :) May 05 18:54:03 * Tanu wants paroli on debian... :/ May 05 18:54:11 you could probably also do an opkg upgrade ... although I have never tried that May 05 18:54:15 heh. I'll give it a stab. bind-home saves me a bunch of trouble. May 05 18:54:22 Tanu: get me a current elementary and I do what I can :) May 05 18:54:39 mirko-paroli: e17-git has it :D May 05 18:54:43 opkg upgrade doesn't do anything. Perhaps I should change the feeds to unstable ? May 05 18:54:50 ah yes May 05 18:54:55 (and I have it on my x86 machine, but am not able to build it for the neo :D) May 05 18:55:30 Tanuva: I have e17 on my laptop here, but I think it is still "too old" May 05 18:55:41 the bindings might be May 05 18:55:43 not sure though May 05 18:56:39 I build e17-git vom time to time, but as a daily desktop it's not mature enough, yes... Don't know about the internals May 05 18:57:48 Tanuva: I even have hand-crafted bindings here I just noticed ... May 05 18:58:50 Tanuva: I am still waiting/hoping for a nice chat client plus email client in efl May 05 18:58:56 mirko-paroli: hu? in addition to the existing python bindings or entirely your own? May 05 18:59:15 Tanuva: I fiddle around with the elementary bindings every now and again May 05 18:59:20 and test them on the phone May 05 18:59:22 ah May 05 19:00:45 mirko-paroli: chat (jabber, irssi is my choice for irc) and email... and a elm port of emphasis would be nice *g* May 05 19:01:25 hehe May 05 19:03:05 but what I miss most desperately atm is the missing icon grid on the desktop. I can use most kde4 apps (as if amarok2 would be so good...) - but the desktop sucks if the icons just lie there in unordered bunches... May 05 19:03:31 hi there May 05 19:03:45 how big should I partition my 512MB sD card? May 05 19:04:02 12MB(fat), 500MB(ext2) is fine? May 05 19:04:22 others say 8mb fat is sufficient, too May 05 19:05:40 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * raaed277dec2e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: again few useful methods - Enable, Disable, SetAsDefault May 05 19:06:00 Tanuva: thx May 05 19:06:29 khiraly1: you can guess what you need from the kernel image's size - at least one of them must fit :) May 05 19:07:01 but to be on the safe side, 8Mb should enough for everything;) May 05 19:07:18 yes May 05 19:07:35 and fat partitions can't be smaller than 8mb anyway afaik... May 05 19:11:12 * SpeedEvil holds up a 160K floppy. May 05 19:12:32 mirko-paroli: Changing the feeds to unstable and upgrading seems to break everything. No GSM registration. No settings, no response. May 05 19:13:02 oh May 05 19:13:07 I'm getting the latest unstable image now. May 05 19:13:23 can you open a ticket on om trac and assign it to angus/nytowl ? May 05 19:13:33 Sure. May 05 19:13:36 thx May 05 19:14:38 alephnull: btw I am working on that window issue found out I needed it as well, so it got highest prio ;) May 05 19:15:36 * alephnull feels useful :) May 05 19:15:45 yes, please do :) May 05 19:23:00 hmm, my freerunner consumes 189mA -201mA when idle. May 05 19:23:24 mine too May 05 19:23:30 Is it normal? Im wondering because this shr testing distribution didnt last 10hours today May 05 19:23:53 it's normal that it doesn't last 10 hours withouth suspending May 05 19:24:17 I left my home fully charged, and at 5pm it was fully out of battery May 05 19:24:41 Zorkman_: I suspended allways. I used a bit (phoned some people, and suspended right after) May 05 19:24:58 then it should last a lot longer May 05 19:25:05 1.5 days at least i think May 05 19:25:52 you mean 36hours? May 05 19:28:22 is there an irc chatlog somewhere? May 05 19:28:54 I asked some question yesterday, and got answered. But I rebooted my machine, and dont have a history May 05 19:33:18 mirko-paroli: I can't create a ticket. "TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation" May 05 19:33:32 hu? May 05 19:34:45 mirko-paroli: I just registered. Is there a minimum period before I can create tickets ? May 05 19:35:03 alephnull: I actually thought that would work right away May 05 19:35:11 just asked the distro guy May 05 19:35:21 he knows about the upgrade props May 05 19:35:28 however I think it should work ... May 05 19:35:30 hmm May 05 19:35:57 freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r8d528f66b765 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: implement GetBackends() May 05 19:49:46 hmm May 05 19:50:08 what are the modules-2.6.28-stable....tgz file? May 05 19:50:12 what for? May 05 19:50:33 modules to go with a particular kernel image May 05 19:50:42 for untarring to the root filesystem May 05 19:54:32 I'm looking for some QtEI devs... anyone in the chan? May 05 20:04:01 hmm. tar does not support -z flag on openmoko May 05 20:04:07 (shr testing) May 05 20:05:14 wtf. cron process consumes 45% cpu May 05 20:05:40 cron is not some command scheduling utility. Like I want to run this file at 6pm May 05 20:06:26 ? May 05 20:06:32 is this fat finger shell available on in shr repo? May 05 20:07:11 khiraly1: It's the busybox tar; it doesn't support much :-( May 05 20:07:26 You can install 'real' tar May 05 20:07:39 no problem. I use two command gunzip and tar May 05 20:07:55 Yeah, but xzf is so convenient :-) May 05 20:08:13 I have no idea why cron would take up 45% cpu. That's crazy. May 05 20:08:20 but neo freerunner is slow as hell. gunzipping a 80MB .tar.gz takes so much time ... May 05 20:08:37 khiraly1, freerunner fast enough May 05 20:08:39 disk slow May 05 20:08:47 but copying over usb takes aprox 4. min too May 05 20:08:49 so, better gunzip to pipe to tar May 05 20:08:55 I would think even on FR the disk access would be by far the biggest time consumer May 05 20:09:33 so I can safely kill -9 the cron process?;) May 05 20:09:59 you can even kill -9 -1 May 05 20:10:01 ) May 05 20:10:53 khiraly1: Well, you can if you don't care about the things cron is doing ;) May 05 20:11:54 cron can do anything important on neo, since he can't wake up neo May 05 20:11:57 there cant be things which takes 45% of cpu May 05 20:12:07 but I wait till gunzip finishes May 05 20:16:32 the cpu essentially is blocked writuing to disk May 05 20:17:01 it has to move all the byte manually May 05 20:27:02 alephnull: I fixed it May 05 20:27:07 X will end apps now May 05 20:27:19 so the callbacks should work again after you close it using the illume topshelf May 05 20:27:26 Thats was quick :) May 05 20:27:34 (22.07.26) wurp2|working: You can install 'real' tar <-- what is the name? May 05 20:27:59 alephnull: sometimes things just work out ;) May 05 20:28:14 it was due anyhow, so thx again for pointing it out May 05 20:28:16 :) May 05 20:28:42 wurp2|working: gunzip ~/distro/*gz | tar -xvf - May 05 20:28:52 time to google a bit May 05 20:28:57 Is libelementary0 available as an opkg for SHR-testing somewhere? May 05 20:30:06 gunzip < ~/distro/*gz | tar -xvf - May 05 20:31:00 khiraly1: Yeah, that second one looks as if it would work May 05 20:31:02 not the first May 05 20:32:23 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/moko type ext2 (rw,errors=continue) May 05 20:32:30 does it support "dev" parameter? May 05 20:36:22 Ignore my question - I'm being affected by the recently e libs rename in shr testing/unstable May 05 20:46:50 if I downloaded http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz May 05 20:46:58 all I need is to unzip to sD? May 05 20:47:12 because in the wiki says I need to copy the uImage file too May 05 20:47:20 but the .tar.gz already contains it May 05 20:48:47 should I rename uImage to uImage-gta02.bin? May 05 20:52:04 hmm May 05 20:52:14 it does not work.:( May 05 20:52:58 I uncompressed everything on the second partition of the sD, and renamed uImage to uImage-gta02.bin May 05 20:53:10 but it boots from NAND May 05 20:53:33 and Im not sure if Qi is successfully executed at startup May 05 20:56:13 khiraly1: have you read the Qi wiki page? May 05 20:56:46 PaulFertser: yepp, but Im not sure if I grok it fully May 05 20:56:51 khiraly1: how do you boot? What do you feel (how many vibes) and see on boot? May 05 20:57:09 khiraly1: what do you have on the first uSD partition? May 05 20:57:27 just press the power button and a short vibration is on. And after some kernel message like g_ether ...something May 05 20:58:08 khiraly1: your filename is wrong btw May 05 20:58:15 my uSD is partitioned as: mmcblk0p1: 10MB fat, mmcblk0p2: 500MB ext2 May 05 20:58:44 khiraly1: should be /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin (pay attention to caps) May 05 20:59:25 ok. I'll retry May 05 20:59:57 do I need to replace uImage with the .bin file which can be downloaded from testing repo? May 05 21:00:38 so it is enough to uncompress fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz to the second uSD partition, and rename the uImage files, and that's it? May 05 21:01:11 ok. it is printed: May 05 21:01:39 [ 0.000] Uknown boot option 'g_ether_host_addr=00:1F....' ignoring May 05 21:01:45 (repeated 3 times) May 05 21:01:55 Please wait: booting... May 05 21:02:13 khiraly1: that's ok May 05 21:02:32 khiraly1: i guess you now have kernel booting from SD, don't you? May 05 21:03:23 night everyone May 05 21:03:32 So it is like this: when the power button pressed, the bootloader start from NAND (Qi in my case, as I reflashed). If I press and hold AUX first and press the power button, it starts the bootloader from NOR (which is u-boot by factory) May 05 21:03:51 mirko-paroli: night :) May 05 21:03:55 :) May 05 21:04:12 PaulFertser: did you see the call for paroli on debian earlier ;) May 05 21:04:14 PaulFertser: How can I verify it is booting from sD? May 05 21:04:18 khiraly1: yes. But then bootloader can load different kernels from different locations May 05 21:04:23 mirko-paroli: yeah, saw that :) May 05 21:04:36 (apart from waiting and see) May 05 21:04:47 n8 May 05 21:04:50 :) :) :) May 05 21:05:00 but for SD do I need uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin ? May 05 21:05:12 or what is inside the tar.gz is fine? May 05 21:05:23 because the md5sums does not much May 05 21:05:30 khiraly1: probably by counting vibes, but that's not reliable enough when many partitions are present. May 05 21:05:44 I have only two partitions May 05 21:06:06 (the wiki wasnt clear enough, so I created one fat and one ext2. As recommended) May 05 21:06:07 khiraly1: i'm not familiar enough with OM2009 images, have no idea what kernel do they have by default. May 05 21:06:32 would be nice to have a README at least;) May 05 21:06:37 khiraly1: i see no reason to have fat at all (except booting with old/NOR u-boot) May 05 21:06:53 khiraly1: Qi has a README, should be mentioned on the wikipage. May 05 21:07:11 PaulFertser: yepp, I concluded the same. Qi does not requires it, and I already flashed Qi with dfu-util May 05 21:07:25 khiraly1: fat partitions are silently skipped iirc, so if you feel one vibe, you're booting from NAND, if you don't feel any vibes -- from SD. May 05 21:07:38 hmm May 05 21:07:57 khiraly1: i might be wrong about "silently". May 05 21:08:50 This phone just stuck at booting. Just console messages EXT4-fs error (device...). And it stopped here, just the cursor blinks May 05 21:09:35 ne led flashing May 05 21:09:44 so assuming there is no kernel panic May 05 21:09:52 maybe it is booting, just need some patience May 05 21:11:08 hmm. Cant switch off either May 05 21:11:36 khiraly1: there was some kernel that incorrectly mounted ext2/ext3 as ext4, failed and never booted. You still can try to wait a bit more. May 05 21:11:59 khiraly1: btw, if you will leave the power button pressed, you'll see additional debugging information on the display. May 05 21:12:50 nice May 05 21:13:04 it is a Qi only feature? (power button pressed) May 05 21:13:06 khiraly1: if you leave it pressed at the moment the kernel is starting to boot. May 05 21:13:07 because it works May 05 21:13:11 khiraly1: yes, Qi only. May 05 21:14:34 ok. It prints many messages. But it stuck at ADDACONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready May 05 21:15:00 I'll try to ssh in May 05 21:15:45 khiraly1: userspace takes considerable time to fully boot on OM2009. May 05 21:15:58 and no message at all? May 05 21:16:06 hmm. Cant ping the freerunner May 05 21:16:25 ok. I'll leave connected overnight. Maybe magic happens;) May 05 21:16:31 thank you for your help May 05 21:16:36 need to sleep May 05 21:17:59 khiraly1: i too :) May 05 21:18:23 khiraly1: you might want to try different kernel versions May 05 21:18:41 khiraly1: probably that's the culprit since it seems that Qi itself works as intended. May 05 21:19:43 I'm not sure (too sleepy already) but it seems that it will vibrate on skipping a fat partition too. May 05 21:20:01 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r072434b0ac58 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/action.py: oeventsd: fix regression introduced by cleanup May 05 21:21:28 hi guys, is it possible to run fennec shr? May 05 21:32:28 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r83a50a86bb44 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: replace deprecated # syntax with owned keyword May 05 21:39:31 selke: I don't think so. Earlier betas were made to run but they were unusably slow May 05 21:40:13 selke: Hopefully someone will port Hackable:1's Woosh! browser to SHR - I've heard good things about it but not used it yet May 05 21:48:29 jonquark: indeed, i've seen a video of woosh! it seems rather nice$ May 05 21:48:34 and fast May 05 21:49:00 mo May 05 21:49:19 midori sucks as a phone browser May 05 21:50:44 dillo is fast, but very limited May 05 21:51:01 ewww seems promissing, but far from "ready" May 05 23:17:58 lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 06 02:59:57 2009