**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 11 02:59:57 2009 May 11 06:23:27 re May 11 07:12:38 morning May 11 07:43:21 good morning May 11 07:48:34 mirko-paroli: you there? May 11 07:49:17 mirko-paroli: I have cooked a patch (for the privacy). But didnt tried out (yet), because I just put on the zagg invisible shield May 11 07:49:24 (and need a day to dry out) May 11 08:09:30 hi khiraly1 nice May 11 08:09:38 how does it work? May 11 08:09:46 do you go through the output and delete numbers? May 11 08:10:16 http://pastebin.com/m3f388a18 May 11 08:10:20 the diff May 11 08:10:27 it is untested right now May 11 08:11:02 I added a config option, and injected the obfuscation into TelNumber class May 11 08:11:20 i think the get_text method is used to get numbers from the phonebook and dial them May 11 08:11:52 2009-05-08 12:49:39,486 Tele INFO 0620xxxxx90 May 11 08:12:00 ^^ this is a line from the log. May 11 08:12:18 I am not saying that it doens't do what you want it to do May 11 08:12:32 I am just saying it might also do stuff you don May 11 08:12:37 't want it to do May 11 08:13:26 tele2.py:83 May 11 08:13:37 Yepp, I need to test it, what else breaks May 11 08:15:15 if it breaks I will create a get_text_for_log or something function, and I will replace every logger.info(number.get_text()) with it May 11 08:17:19 khiraly1: you could just kick the number out of the logging part May 11 08:17:39 if I haven't done so already May 11 08:17:41 ;) May 11 08:20:14 but maybe it is usefull sometime May 11 08:23:05 ok. I will test it, and debug. But this is the part of the code to tinker with;) May 11 08:24:25 sure either way works for me, it is a nice-to-have feature May 11 08:26:23 ok.;) May 11 08:27:03 Had you chance to read my bugreports? May 11 08:27:11 still working on them May 11 08:27:20 (I have switched to my old phone:-\) May 11 08:27:20 trying to reproduce and such May 11 08:28:45 A programming question: I have done an application in the past, and made a "trace" function. In every method I wrote logging.trace("filename.py->methodname") May 11 08:29:11 And I switched on/off the logging of it. So I could immediatly tell how the program got there May 11 08:29:35 I found it pretty useful, but maybe Im just a python noob lacking proper debugging knowledge;) May 11 08:29:39 hi, i'm try to boot new kernel for gta01 on my device and with a 8gb minisd. The only way to boot an image from a 8gb minisd is use rootfs partition to save kernel May 11 08:29:52 and then set kernel argument to read from minisd May 11 08:30:09 but what are command to use on u-boot? May 11 08:30:48 to save kernel on rootfs and use it is only needed write kernel on rootfs and use nand.e to read kernel from rootfs? May 11 08:31:15 (In the logging, I had, INFO, WARN, ERR, TRACE). May 11 08:31:59 mirko-paroli: does it make sense? Maybe it slows further down paroli. But for hardly reproducible bug its very handy. May 11 08:33:19 geaaru: i thought that there exists a version of u-boot for GTA01 with SDHC support. May 11 08:34:46 sometimes ago, there aren't support for 8gb minisd.. now is there support to 8gb minisd? May 11 08:35:09 geaaru: and yes, you can use nand.e to read the kernel from any NAND partition, but don't forget that it reads only 2M by default and that you need to give proper (root=/dev/mmcblk0p1) bootargs. May 11 08:35:18 geaaru: yep, someone annonced it here. May 11 08:39:14 ah ok, i try thanks for all replies... but for nand.e... if i want read only new kernel 2349820 (byte) of i can do that? nand.e 0x3200000 rootfs (size?) May 11 08:43:32 geaaru: yes, and you can specify 3000000 May 11 08:43:46 geaaru: (so if it's more than you need, it's still ok) May 11 08:43:57 k thank you very much May 11 08:44:29 khiraly1: I think I don't really get your question May 11 08:44:34 geaaru: hth May 11 08:45:29 mirko-paroli: the basic idea, is log every method call into a file. So when the app crashes somewhere we can trace it back until the start of application. May 11 08:45:48 khiraly1: for debugging that sounds usefull May 11 08:46:11 http://docs.python.org/library/trace.html May 11 08:47:09 mirko-paroli: because a backtrace only gives you the last action, where the program failed. But if the bug has some "state", it hard to understand May 11 08:47:19 PaulFertser: Im on it, thanks for the link. May 11 08:55:14 PaulFertser: so basically (if I understand right) we can create a Trace object, which then start paroli, and supervises it May 11 08:55:58 khiraly1: for debugging purposes i'd just start python with trace module from command line like on the first example. May 11 08:56:19 python -m trace --count somefile.py ... May 11 08:56:20 ^^this? May 11 08:56:30 Yeah May 11 08:57:12 python -m trace --count paroli --cfgfile ./paroli.cfg May 11 08:57:36 ^^ I will try it later tonight, when I can switch on freerunner May 11 09:03:47 but is it normal that if i try to write kernel on rootfs i receive "unable to read DFU status" ? May 11 09:04:15 and dfu_download error -110 May 11 09:04:23 geaaru: i guess no :-/ May 11 09:04:42 :'( May 11 09:05:16 geaaru: i guess either you're doing it wrong or you can't write anything (including a real rootfs) there... May 11 09:05:38 geaaru: as usual check your usb cable, get rid of the hub etc... May 11 09:06:15 yes yes, error is received only if i try to write kernel on rootfs ... if i write a rootfs image or a kernel on kernel partition works fine May 11 09:06:54 but finished! is printed in all cases May 11 09:08:14 geaaru: does your kernel image have DFU footer? May 11 09:08:37 geaaru: raw uimage is not enough. May 11 09:09:02 i don't know, what is a dfu footer? May 11 09:09:17 geaaru: you need mkudfu utility to prepare an image that can be DFU'd. May 11 09:09:53 mmm...so uImage-xxx.bin from openmoko websiste must be DFU'd with mkudfu? May 11 09:10:26 geaaru: probably yes, probably no, i don't know where and how they're built. May 11 09:10:45 k, still thanks May 11 09:10:50 geaaru: do i understand it right that you want to flash some larger kernel to a rootfs partition because kernel partition is too small? May 11 09:11:01 yes May 11 09:11:07 geaaru: and are you sure the kernel is for GTA01? May 11 09:12:00 geaaru: $(MKUDFU) -v ${UDFU_VID} -p ${UDFU_PID} -r ${UDFU_REV} -d ${IMAGE} ${UDFU_IMAGE} where UDFU_VID = 0x1457 UDFU_PID = 0x5119 UDFU_REV = 0x0240 for GTA01 May 11 09:12:05 Easy May 11 09:12:20 yes, for example last uImage from shr-testing is about 2.2M that is too big for gta01 kernel partition May 11 09:14:08 geaaru: i guess the easiest way to obtain mkudfu is to git-clone Qi sources. May 11 09:16:30 ah ok, in downloading... :) May 11 09:21:53 o.O May 11 09:23:08 how is GTA01 supposed to boot kernel from rootfs partition? May 11 09:23:23 DocScrutinizer: why not? u-boot env can be altered to read it from there... May 11 09:23:50 DocScrutinizer: i mean, you loose most of the nand as it becomes an exteremely large kernel partition but it's still better than nothing ;) May 11 09:23:57 hmm, yes. and how would you cram real rootfs to same partition? May 11 09:24:06 Rootfs on uSD May 11 09:24:25 :'( some error yet with image created by mkudfu, strange... May 11 09:24:29 sounds like a better idea would be to repartition if one wants a rootfs on nand :] May 11 09:24:30 lol, you can have a really big fat kernel in that case :) May 11 09:24:53 I suggest to have a small initial kernel in kernel partition May 11 09:25:00 DocScrutinizer: u-boot can read jffs2 so you can just put the kernel in /boot (where in fact it already resides) May 11 09:25:02 then use kexec May 11 09:25:23 to boot to real kernel comprised in rootfs May 11 09:25:23 can it? okay then May 11 09:25:46 XorA: even better May 11 09:25:59 XorA: wow, never though it can do it (i got used to Qi simplicity) :) May 11 09:26:07 DocScrutinizer: reason it wasnt done like that is jffs2 support is SLOW!!!!!!! May 11 09:26:30 ahh, I see. thanks for clarification May 11 09:26:52 no doubt, it'll have to build the jffs structure into memory, mostly at least... May 11 09:27:26 so what are uboot command to read uImage from jffs2 rootfs partition? May 11 09:27:33 s/command/commands May 11 09:28:20 fsload May 11 09:28:31 I think May 11 09:28:46 * XorA most recently used it on avr32 board so command might be different May 11 09:29:17 * XorA doesnt have a gta01 to hand May 11 09:29:33 k i try, thanks May 11 09:31:08 this was also u-boot from 2.5 - 3 years ago, maybe it improved since May 11 09:31:31 woot, ngw100? May 11 09:32:45 XorA: wow, did it work with punchcards? :-) May 11 09:32:47 * methril|work thinks that openmoko u-boot need a revission/update :) May 11 09:32:50 haha May 11 09:33:11 punchcards would probably be an improvement :) May 11 09:33:13 DocScrutinizer: hehe maybe, the first gta01 I ever had was hand soldered hack job May 11 09:33:14 i only have to found the time to take a look May 11 09:33:23 DocScrutinizer: without even a working screen May 11 09:33:40 :-D May 11 09:34:31 ndnihil: yes a ngw100 May 11 09:34:41 cool May 11 09:34:45 XorA: well we got no working screen today XD May 11 09:34:46 have half a dozen of them sitting here May 11 09:34:57 DocScrutinizer: full circle development May 11 09:35:18 DocScrutinizer: broonie might even still have that original model :-), it even had a different wolfson codec May 11 09:36:00 gta01av3? May 11 09:36:33 I think so yeah May 11 09:36:45 wm8960 or something for the codec May 11 09:37:16 hmm, seen datasheets somewhere on fileserver May 11 09:38:08 DocScrutinizer: I also keep forgetting to pick up that battery to post it May 11 09:38:20 np May 11 09:46:59 this Zagg invisible shield protector is not as good as advertised. And definietly not invisible;-\ Full of white dots everywhere May 11 09:50:17 khiraly1: no white dots here May 11 09:55:24 Zorkman: should I wait more days, maybe it is disappearing? May 11 09:58:33 khiraly1: no idea.. I had no problem wiht them... did you use the litthe thingy to remove the airbubbles? May 11 10:02:31 you mean I do not have air bubbles under it May 11 10:02:43 s/you mean// May 11 10:02:44 khiraly1 meant: I do not have air bubbles under it May 11 10:03:24 in fact the air bubbles what I have are a fraction of millimeter. So looks like a dot May 11 10:03:30 I'll make a photo May 11 10:10:50 http://khiraly.googlepages.com/IMG_3882.JPG May 11 10:11:05 none of them are real air bubbles May 11 10:18:36 khiraly1: how long ago have you applied the screenprotector? May 11 10:18:56 I thought the invisibleshield site states that small bubbles will remove themself aftera day May 11 10:19:12 although it seems like rather big bubbles in your case.... May 11 10:19:52 3 hours ago. But I applied yesterday for the back cover May 11 10:19:56 and didnt improved since May 11 10:19:57 Is the invisble shield only for the screen, or I can cover the rest of the phone? May 11 10:20:07 thrashold: look at the photo May 11 10:20:47 I see May 11 10:20:48 very cool May 11 10:21:16 Is it hard to apply, cause I have very unsteady hands? Should I ask some friend to do it for me :) May 11 10:22:16 Zorkman: is it possible that I used too much soap creme? (the spray what comes with) May 11 10:24:38 thrashold: you can choose: full body or screen only May 11 10:24:43 khiraly1: i honestly don't know... May 11 10:26:52 would be nice to see somebody else's result May 11 10:27:00 Zorkman: have a camera?;) May 11 10:28:14 khiraly1: nope, i'm sorry May 11 10:28:26 i have mu invisble shield for +/-10 months May 11 10:28:30 screen is perfect May 11 10:28:54 the full body has a little bit of white on the edges May 11 10:37:51 lifetime garantee does not cover installation errors. And Im required to send them back the original. Not much fun sending back to the USA from europe May 11 10:38:34 costs more than a new one.;-\ May 11 10:39:27 Im waiting some days, maybe it will disappear, and live with it. I hate warranties, there are always backdoor installed by default;) May 11 11:02:37 khiraly1: withouth that backdoor, if I were a competitor of Zagg, I would buy 2 million protectors and wrongly applie them and ask my money back ;) May 11 11:03:28 or should simply back 2 screenprotector into that *big* packet, so If I apply one wrongly, I had an another one. May 11 11:03:54 This protector seems a piece of silicon film. Costs a fraction of dollar;) May 11 11:04:41 I do not care for the other parts (yes maybe just me applying it stupidely), but for the screen I do care a lot. May 11 11:05:48 .....simply Pack 2 scree..... May 11 11:22:38 good protectors are not silicone film, but a laminated silicone jelly and a plastic topcoat, optionally with some hardcoat and AR stufdf May 11 11:28:48 AR? May 11 11:30:52 Anti Reflection May 11 11:32:50 Guys, the third thing to buy (after the the bicycle itself; helmet, taillight and some proper sportswear) are step-in (aka clip-in/less) pedals! That's truely amazing, try it! May 11 11:33:26 PaulFertser: I love falling down with it May 11 11:33:43 electric conversion kit. May 11 11:34:15 especially when does not "clip off" May 11 11:34:17 http://www.recumbents.com/WISIL/shumaker/default.htm May 11 11:34:21 khiraly1: well, after i was comfortable with it i fell once or twice and it didn't make that any worse. May 11 11:34:22 though verily not a kit May 11 11:35:28 PaulFertser: but it does improve your style. My girlfriend for example pedals with the middle of her feet May 11 11:35:36 almost with the heel May 11 11:35:37 khiraly1: oh boy May 11 11:35:58 You gotta teach hear manners ;) May 11 11:37:06 cant. Its like your walking. You cant improve it anymore if you already grown up May 11 11:37:19 She used to it May 11 11:37:28 but its really bad, especially for the knees May 11 11:38:41 (13.33.43) SpeedEvil: electric conversion kit. <- I have built one myself. From a cruiser bike May 11 11:38:52 It goes about 48km/h. Pretty speedy May 11 11:39:00 And about 45km/charge May 11 11:41:28 and I prefer to pedaling when I go with electric motor. It adds about 5km/h to your top speed:-D May 11 11:43:25 Heh, looks like i'm the offtopic guy, i used to talk about philosophy during maths classes, about maths during philosophy, about programming and stuff on wedding and about politics at #openmoko-cdevel. May 11 11:43:38 hey all May 11 11:43:59 has anyone got a minute? all of a sudden, I can't ping my fr for some reason May 11 11:44:27 network con manager claims to connect May 11 11:44:46 From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable May 11 11:45:36 ping google.com works fine on host May 11 11:45:37 badcloud: For me network manager connects to freerunner, and I can even ssh into, but after one minutes it reconnects, and I need to issue the command one more time May 11 11:45:49 sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 May 11 11:45:52 ^^ this command May 11 11:46:32 doesn't work... May 11 11:46:56 I even /etc/init.d/networking restart on the fr May 11 11:46:57 no change May 11 11:46:59 badcloud: dump con manager, do everything from command line. Check ifconfig, check route. May 11 11:47:12 badcloud: both on host and FR May 11 11:47:35 on fr--> ifup usb0? May 11 11:49:21 badcloud: why ifup? ifconfig to check parameters May 11 11:50:50 PaulFertser: does Angus Ainslie hang around in irc? (nickname?) May 11 11:51:35 host: http://pastebin.com/m7c017ac8 May 11 11:52:19 khiraly1: nytowl May 11 11:52:32 khiraly1: catch him at #openmoko-cdevel May 11 11:52:41 ok;) May 11 11:53:26 badcloud: and ifconfig eth1 (on host)? May 11 11:54:03 http://pastebin.com/m770d9c2e May 11 11:55:09 badcloud: check FR configuration then, host looks correct to me May 11 11:55:26 fr: http://pastebin.com/m5183128f May 11 11:55:44 (hope it's accurate as I had to copy it by hand) May 11 11:56:41 should there be two 'usb0' instances? May 11 11:57:58 badcloud: here's the table from my FR http://rafb.net/p/BxnJUQ37.html May 11 11:57:58 device is charging via usb, by the way May 11 11:58:32 how do I alter mine? May 11 11:59:00 badcloud: but yours should be ok too... "route del -net 192.168.0.200; route add default gw 192.168.0.200" May 11 11:59:53 'invalid argument' May 11 12:00:33 but it reverted to default May 11 12:01:57 badcloud: are you sure it's not the problem with your iptables? May 11 12:01:58 still host unreachable May 11 12:02:12 I wish I knew more about this... May 11 12:02:19 badcloud: cant ping from the host? host->freerunner? May 11 12:02:27 khiraly1, right May 11 12:02:37 you can, or you cant? May 11 12:02:43 cannot May 11 12:02:50 badcloud: i'd suggest you also remove from host this line: 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 May 11 12:03:00 neither from host->freerunner, nor freerunner->host ? May 11 12:03:34 neither May 11 12:03:58 badcloud: i don't remember in which order conflicting rules are used. You better go without a conflict. May 11 12:04:12 Paul, is there a config file to remove the line? May 11 12:04:22 or do I use 'route del -net etc. May 11 12:05:20 badcloud: no config, route del etc. or use more advanced modern ip command" May 11 12:05:35 how do I specify eth0? May 11 12:08:03 route del -net 192.168.0.200 May 11 12:08:03 SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument May 11 12:08:11 (host) May 11 12:15:11 Hi, I have two scratches on my freerunner display since I've put it once to pocket with keys and now sometimes cursor jump to one scratch and stay there - I cannot click on anything - possible solution? (change display, touchscreen layer...)? May 11 12:16:24 repli2dev: you should have bought invisible shield(tm) :) May 11 12:16:43 lindi-: I know now :( May 11 12:20:31 gonna try and reboot the host... May 11 12:20:35 see if that helps May 11 12:23:56 badcloud: no, it don't, neither changing distro helps May 11 12:28:36 badcloud: for proper route syntax you should have read man instead of trusting me ;) May 11 12:28:46 thanks May 11 12:28:55 after reboot the eth1 entry isn't there May 11 12:29:01 but no luck pinging yet May 11 12:29:13 I thought that eth1 is your FR so no wonder. May 11 12:29:42 got it May 11 12:29:51 it shifted from eth1 to eth2 on the host May 11 12:29:57 god, that's annoying May 11 12:31:50 but now masquerading isn't working May 11 12:32:46 udev will/should/can take care of interface renaming May 11 12:34:22 solved May 11 12:34:32 thanks, alphaone May 11 12:34:55 and thanks Paul, khiraly May 11 12:35:07 "and I'd like to thank the academy, for..." May 11 12:35:25 but really thanks, though May 11 12:40:18 anyone working on an ide for openmoko? May 11 12:41:03 ide?! May 11 12:41:05 * SpeedEvil holds up a USB->IDE adaptor with a car battery and a small power converter attached. May 11 12:41:13 usr, emacs working May 11 12:41:36 I use pida dev version (from bzr) May 11 12:41:38 * max_posedon doesn't understand why openmoko need custm ide May 11 12:41:50 Hello May 11 12:42:15 max_posedon: android got one? I think so. Iphone got an IDE/SDK? I think so. May 11 12:42:40 max_posedon: emacs is a program? May 11 12:42:51 khiraly1, andoid and iphone it is custom platform May 11 12:42:52 nope, a whole OS ;-D May 11 12:42:57 openmoko - Linux May 11 12:43:05 general, just little but unusual May 11 12:43:10 IDE May 11 12:43:15 's usually sucks May 11 12:43:51 (I don't know anyone which at least 50% usable as emacs for typing) May 11 12:44:17 like vi? May 11 12:44:51 so, vi/emacs whatever you use usually when developing for linux May 11 12:45:07 can be used for developing for openmoko, without any problems May 11 12:45:49 i like to use gedit or kwrite to get the syntax highlighted May 11 12:46:03 Developing IDEs specifically for use on the phone would be odd. May 11 12:46:08 Processor speed versus bus speed. Which is more important? May 11 12:46:30 bus generally has been the limit recently May 11 12:46:42 SpeedEvil: but packaging together Xephyr, and all the handy stuff would be nice. And lets call it IDE;) May 11 12:47:14 (2.3GHz, 4.4 GT`s Bus Speed) versus (2.4GHz, 3.6 GT`s Bus Speed) May 11 12:47:30 those are the two situations I am trying to choose from May 11 12:47:34 mib_aq9dy77d: does it still have calypso in? May 11 12:47:41 mib_aq9dy77d: is this GTA03? May 11 12:47:57 I don't know May 11 12:48:21 I would expect the first to be faster. But look at reelkvant benchmarks May 11 12:49:04 i would like to have an ide where you can create code for the dbus May 11 12:49:40 like switch on this led turn of that one... May 11 12:49:43 They are both AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processors: ZM-85 and ZM-86 May 11 12:50:00 Where might i find benchmarks? May 11 12:51:28 Im curious when will appear the first IDE using only web technology. (like palm web os) Im thinking more on pyjamas. It can be run on desktop via webkit as widget renderer May 11 12:51:51 khiraly1, I known one, created year ago May 11 12:51:52 it is the easiest to develop in... May 11 12:51:59 for developing on ruby on rails May 11 12:52:01 that's a great idea May 11 12:52:20 sorry, its crap May 11 12:52:44 (idea , and any implementation) May 11 12:53:22 mib_aq9dy77d: #hardware maybe May 11 12:53:24 you would need a html-server May 11 12:56:49 when we use pastebin, online diff viewer(http://paste.pocoo.org/show/115691/), now google codesearch has a class browser. It does make sense May 11 12:57:17 i think i will start to write an ide for the om dbus to generate dbus-python code May 11 12:57:37 usr: you could write a plugin into pida May 11 12:58:19 and you can use emacs/vim/medit with pida. So it is the easiest solution right now May 11 12:58:43 khiraly1: i'm not that into coding May 11 12:59:17 Ok. So does it will have a gui?;) May 11 13:00:02 i could try to use pygtk and make it compatible to all editors May 11 13:02:31 so that you can just click things you want and if you understand the way it works you'll be able to use it via command line May 11 13:03:23 huhu May 11 13:03:30 i got major instability issues May 11 13:03:30 so anyone could write bindings for whatever ide May 11 13:03:30 usr, you can, but when you finished it May 11 13:03:34 i don't know what causes this May 11 13:03:40 1. nobody will want use it anways May 11 13:03:42 but often my moko just hangs lately May 11 13:03:43 it is May 11 13:03:53 2. shr/fso/paroli will be rewritten in vala May 11 13:04:09 unusable right now (hangup all the time i start using it for mapping or active usage in general) May 11 13:04:17 max_posedon: nice question... i think it has to grow and will take some time May 11 13:05:06 max_posedon: the first thing is to write a framework, then to apply a gui May 11 13:05:38 as you wish, I'll not stop you May 11 13:05:51 but I saw it many-many times in my life May 11 13:06:10 people want did smth big and become famouse, but as result May 11 13:06:27 they spend a months on their projects, and kills them. May 11 13:06:50 If you have skills, I suggest you improve FSO/SHR/Paroli May 11 13:07:14 or some general app, porting it to dbus+elemetary May 11 13:08:01 max_posedon: the point is i don't have skills, every time i have to look up for things and so on, thats why i wan't to automate it May 11 13:10:19 i wasted a lot of time to write an app in pygtk... if i would have written an ide which could do the same i could save a lot of time May 11 13:12:22 so the next thing i'll to is to write a gui for ipkg-creation, then i'll start to write the framework for the automated python-dbus script generation May 11 13:12:54 and i'll expand the hole thing to generate pygtk-code May 11 13:15:20 max_posedon: could u use python-code to access the dbus? i mean to execute the script out of your app, ore copy paste it into May 11 13:16:28 yes, look at mdbus as example May 11 13:17:40 ok... are you often here on freenode? May 11 13:18:06 ~22h/day May 11 13:18:20 but I'm not sure that I can help you much. May 11 13:18:31 just point to examples/docs May 11 13:19:44 max_posedon: that's great, so if i finished to code the framework and some basic functions i'll let you know May 11 13:20:18 as you wish, but as I said I'm afroid of nobody will interested in results) May 11 13:20:31 and btw, I prefer ruby then python May 11 13:21:31 max_posedon: you could call the generated code out of your app May 11 13:22:45 max_posedon: are there bindings to communicate with the om fso dbus for ruby? May 11 13:23:04 ruby have dbus bindings May 11 13:23:14 so, no problem May 11 13:23:28 ok May 11 13:26:24 max_posedon: i want to write a script, call it "framework" which'll generate a dynamic gui for different scripts May 11 13:26:40 so one could write modules May 11 13:29:04 the function should be to store routines once and then to access the modules via gui ore shorts to generate a new app, gui ore what ever May 11 13:30:35 max_posedon: could you use something like that? May 11 13:31:57 \o/ May 11 13:34:09 I don't know May 11 13:35:56 max_posedon: the thing is i planed on to write it for python ^^ using python, pygtk and bash... May 11 13:36:28 so, write it, I already said all what I want May 11 13:38:34 ok May 11 13:42:34 anybody programming in here apps for the freerunner in python? May 11 15:07:08 ahoi May 11 15:07:28 hey there May 11 15:46:15 morning May 11 15:47:15 I am watching some tubes about the neo1973 and asking me if it is the right thing for me. May 11 15:47:39 Question is, if all is working like it is shown in the clips. May 11 15:48:34 rnd9: kinda is always the answer May 11 15:49:42 ;) What about making a simple call ... yes its a phone ... but if there is something heavy weight running in the background? Speaking without breaks possible? May 11 15:49:51 rnd9: if you want some fully hackable PDA with ability to make GSM calls then freerunner might suit your needs, otherwise -- i'm afraid not. May 11 15:50:37 rnd9: speaking without breaks... Yes, possible if everything is already working. In general, if call is already set up, you won't get any breaks, it's hardware. May 11 15:51:22 rnd9: imho freerunner is still a cool hackable device for geeks, not generally usable as a phone/pda. Just my IMHO, wait for the other opinions. May 11 15:52:25 well, I dont want another device that taking my time while playing atround with its possibilitys. But its the question if there is some sort off package management, that will make it usable for not power useres. May 11 15:53:24 the main problem, that the calling and sms are not rock-solid. So this is why everybody compares to a pda May 11 15:53:29 rnd9: package management is either opkg (as on most other OE-based distros) or apt-get (if you install Debian). No problems with the second, while the first is still mad annoying. May 11 15:54:01 the point is, I am planning to buy a garmin gps tracker. After checking it out, I see that I have to pay no less than about 130€ for getting it. Now I remeber the neo and see for 250€ I get much more than the double. May 11 15:54:34 rnd9: will you be happy with Navit and TangoGPS for navigation? May 11 15:54:54 PaulFertser, dont matter what packet management is there. May 11 15:54:55 rnd9: but in couple of months it will be fully usable as a phone. Another problem is battery. You need to charge it every day. And even if you suspend it will not last multiple days (need to test it more, but I will) May 11 15:55:06 rnd9: with no more than 8 hours of work on battery? May 11 15:55:19 khiraly1: no, it will for sure. May 11 15:55:54 khiraly1: if you keep it in mostly suspended state it lasts several days. Mickey did some convincing tests and my RL-experience confirms it. May 11 15:55:59 PaulFertser: I was off for the weekend with my freerunner, I suspended it, and it was out of battery sunday May 11 15:56:13 suspent menas, it can still receive calls? May 11 15:56:20 rnd9: yepp May 11 15:56:29 khiraly1: well, you can measure suspend current yourself and do calculations. May 11 15:56:31 suspended, but gsm chip is powered May 11 15:56:49 rnd9: gsm chip wakes up the system, then you're able to interact with it, including answering the call. May 11 15:56:51 well, my old siemens handy needs reload at the evening too. May 11 15:57:09 rnd9: oh, and the screen is not readable under sunlight :((( May 11 15:57:36 The screen looks amazingly sharp and cool with its 285DPI, but... May 11 15:57:53 rnd9: the same boot;) Just nokia in my case. I think we are 1-2 month of of rocksolid calling. May 11 15:58:02 PaulFertser, would be nice if "cachewolf" will run with it. Its a Java-App May 11 15:58:11 PaulFertser: My LG phone does not readable under sunlight either May 11 15:58:49 rnd9: java works on it, afaik, it's an arm linux board after all. May 11 15:58:58 khiraly1: but it doesn't pretend to be a gps-navigator. May 11 15:59:37 ehh. A gps navigator must be direct light readable? May 11 15:59:49 I would expect more from a phone than from a gps May 11 16:00:10 well, the only usable thing that cachewolf has, is a sun compass, dont know if there is one for the neo? May 11 16:00:35 orrery might have a sun compass type thing May 11 16:01:43 rnd9: I didnt regret that I bought it.;) Paroli looks promising, and I believe we are one month away from stable phone May 11 16:01:56 http://www.opkg.org/package_9.html May 11 16:03:03 khiraly1: i guess yes, mandatory for gps nav. After all, my handlebar is exposed to direct sunlight quite often. May 11 16:03:05 btw, can I search street names in TangoGPS? Would be awesome, if I could use my freerunner as a city map May 11 16:03:11 * SpeedEvil rolls on the floor laughing. May 11 16:03:17 kh: you can't May 11 16:03:21 online only May 11 16:03:28 khiraly1: look at Navit. May 11 16:03:32 the placefinder on openstreetmap May 11 16:03:36 or that May 11 16:03:48 something offline May 11 16:03:52 khiraly1: Navit May 11 16:04:04 Its kinda slow, isnt? May 11 16:04:33 * SpeedEvil passes khiraly1 the source. May 11 16:04:33 tangogps is extremely nice, and only lacks this feature. May 11 16:04:48 tangogps has no concept of placenames May 11 16:04:59 it is solely an image browser, with a GPS attached May 11 16:05:20 I never figured out how to configure navit properly May 11 16:05:27 its enough if it marks the streetname as a POI May 11 16:05:30 any help would be appreciated May 11 16:06:00 At a normal car map, I need to look at A2 or B4 for example to find the street May 11 16:06:04 khiraly1: you could fairly easily do that - extract streetnames to a list of POIs, but I don't think anyones done it May 11 16:06:07 lindi-: i've never dared to try even May 11 16:06:09 so placing a little flag would be enough May 11 16:06:31 I think the "open" is the main plus factor for the neo/open moko. 250€ sounds ok. May 11 16:06:34 khiraly1: go to the OSM wiki - look up xapi May 11 16:06:59 khiraly1: then work out the query to get the list of streetnames, then process the xml into the form required for tangogps pois May 11 16:07:29 SpeedEvil: i think we should rather concentrate on navit since it has the features and development community. tangogps has only one developer, right? May 11 16:07:56 I have no idea May 11 16:08:27 ndnihil, yes looks like orrery is much better than this simple sun compass. works in the neight too :) May 11 16:08:47 navit is more like a car navigation system. Tangogps is like an electronic map May 11 16:08:53 however, if tangogps has the facility to accept lists of POIs in a sane format, it's a relatively tiny amount of scripting to go from the XML to a list of POIs. - if that's what khiraly1 wants. May 11 16:08:53 yeah May 11 16:09:39 Im looking for the functionality what iPhone has. Have anybody tried out? May 11 16:10:03 It use google maps and need to be online for it. May 11 16:10:21 But its more like tangogps May 11 16:10:41 is gprs fast enough for it? May 11 16:10:45 SpeedEvil: I will look at it, but not in the near future. I want phoning first May 11 16:10:54 rnd9: yes May 11 16:11:14 khiraly1: surely we don't want to use google maps? May 11 16:11:26 let me look to my mobile conditions ... I remeber they arnt very good. May 11 16:12:12 lindi-: google maps directly? You cant when in a car. Gprs is not fast enough for it May 11 16:12:34 Tangogps prefilled with osm tiles or googlemaps tiles May 11 16:13:03 its the best option. Navit looks interesting, but its a big beast;) May 11 16:13:07 khiraly1: google maps at all May 11 16:13:58 lindi-: I dont care if it is google maps or open street maps. They are good enough in my area May 11 16:14:14 Do not need satellite images for a street map May 11 16:22:30 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 May 11 16:25:57 ah, I found it .... 19ct / 10 KB .... well no good idea for going online with that gprs. May 11 17:09:44 Hi. Since a couple of days I have a freerunner and I'm trying to connect it to my pc using the usb-networking guidelines found on wiki.openmoko.org. But unfortunately I can't get it to work. I have added the IP to the usb0 interface, but when I try to ping I get "Destination host unreachable". I also gave the iptables commands a try, but still "destination host unreachable". May 11 17:10:24 broxtor: please run "ip link" on both machines and put the output online May 11 17:12:29 lindi: will do that. May 11 17:19:14 the neo cant use hcsd, right? 4gb is max, but there is internal mem for applications means the sd card can be used at hotplug? May 11 17:19:48 you mean sdhc, and it can May 11 17:19:53 rnd9: no decent hotplug for uSD. May 11 17:19:59 @DocScrutinizer : I sent you a mail that gives you a simple way to extract netlist from schematics in PADS. It takes me around 3-4 minutes to do (small example netlist). May 11 17:20:09 @DocScrutinizer : but apparently the mail that I got from your information inside this IRC channel is not right May 11 17:20:12 (and by the way, if it couldn't the max would be 2 gb) May 11 17:20:21 and yeah, the microsd is located non-hotswappably May 11 17:20:32 mjr, yes sdhc May 11 17:20:37 rnd9: SDHC is fully suported on freerunner. May 11 17:20:57 mjr: i guess one can take out the battery being on usb power and hot-swap uSD... May 11 17:21:24 PaulFertser, is the card slot under the batterie? May 11 17:21:36 yes, and under the SIM May 11 17:21:47 oh May 11 17:22:12 it's a combo reader part for space savings and all that May 11 17:22:16 rnd9: the SIM is definetely hot-swappable, i did it several times. Don't see a reason why uSD can't be hot-swapped too. May 11 17:22:38 okay, probably it can, but it's highly unpractical May 11 17:22:56 Sure, especially if you want to have rootfs on it :)) May 11 17:24:18 @DocScrutinizer : I just got disconnected... But here I am back :-) May 11 17:25:06 em_: any chance to have pdf versions? I don't want to use pads which is proprietary and i couldn't figure out how to read the files with brl-cad May 11 17:26:01 lindi-: it's all about netlists, not pads sources. May 11 17:26:01 PaulFertser: How did you hotswap the SIM? It's under the battery... May 11 17:26:14 lindi-: he asked for a netlist only for his research. May 11 17:26:23 Digital_Pioneer: Took out the battery being on usb power. May 11 17:26:27 PaulFertser: aha May 11 17:26:38 PaulFertser: what about the files that one is supposed to May 11 17:26:42 PaulFertser: what about the files that one is supposed to open with brl-cad? May 11 17:26:54 Meh, that's barely hotswapping... ;) May 11 17:27:14 lindi-: i don't know, there was many talks about converting case 3D models to various formats... May 11 17:28:04 Digital_Pioneer: how it's not? Takes 15 sec but one needs a wall-charger or USB connection. May 11 17:28:25 @lindi : DocScrutinizer told me openmoko used PADS May 11 17:28:56 Exactly, You need an external power source, which makes it too annoying to consider it a nice hotswap. :) May 11 17:29:32 em_: May 11 17:29:33 I wish someone would make a little dongle you could plug into the USB that would power it for about 20 seconds though. That would come in handy a lot. May 11 17:29:36 so I fired up PADS this morning at my university, found a way to extract netlist from a schematic and... that's it ! May 11 17:29:39 ~docscrutinizer May 11 17:29:41 i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko May 11 17:30:10 yes May 11 17:30:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG May 11 17:30:33 joerg@openmoko.org May 11 17:30:39 DocScrutinizer: So that's how you know so much about the hardware. :P May 11 17:31:06 @DocScrutinizer : I am ready to send you the stesps to extract netlist May 11 17:31:15 May I use your email in this page ? May 11 17:31:25 em_: I realized I can't publish the netlist details about GSM-chipset May 11 17:31:27 :-/ May 11 17:31:46 see mail above May 11 17:32:27 What does it really mean to me ? That I can't have a netlist, that I can't have a part of the netlist ? May 11 17:32:49 that you can't have the complete netlist May 11 17:33:17 ok. May 11 17:33:20 thanks May 11 17:33:35 I may see if I can create a decent netlist after ripping out GSM May 11 17:34:31 @DocScrutinizer : mail sent May 11 17:36:22 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r84233b5d1521 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: aggregate handles correctly when we don't have any power supply class devices May 11 17:36:34 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5926e6adaa79 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: bind EAPI const char *eina_stringshare_add_length(const char *str, unsigned int slen) EINA_WARN_UNUSED_RESULT; May 11 17:36:35 @DocScrutinizer : if it is not possible to have a netlist (or a so small one that it does not represent anything "real"), I am in talks to another company. But having both netlist would be _really_ a good thing May 11 17:37:13 em_: have you looked for publically available designs - I can think of quite a few May 11 17:38:40 Yes : but all I found was PDF files, with only bitmaps of schematics. It would take much more time to extract the netlist in a good format, and is subject to many errors. May 11 17:39:05 This is to match with a model : it is quiet... critical May 11 17:40:07 em_: I'll have a look to meet your needs. I think you'll get something "real" one way or the other May 11 17:40:49 so not necesserily sth "decent" (I know about OM schem ;-) May 11 17:41:02 ;-) May 11 17:41:24 to me it seems OM schem isn't exactly industry average standard May 11 17:41:53 just to warn you not to spoil you model's results ;-D May 11 17:42:47 But at least it is a start. I have nothing more than comparisons to VLSI designs (sick) and board with barely TTL chips with... one "serious" ASIC. May 11 17:42:52 e.g we got lots of useless connections for nondefined functionality that probably never gets used May 11 17:43:09 ok May 11 17:43:31 But if such connections are physically in the PCB, I am interested ! May 11 17:43:39 and as I said, it is a start. May 11 17:43:41 we got zillions of 0R May 11 17:43:46 em_: opencores.org ? May 11 17:43:49 for no obvious reason May 11 17:43:54 Yep, those nasty 0R... May 11 17:44:34 and we got quite a few non-critical design flaws as well :-/ May 11 17:44:36 Why can anyone put smth like that? What for? Like a poor man's testpoint? Or to have a chance to stuff something else there later? Unexplainable... May 11 17:45:04 (poor mans testpoint) mostly for that,yes May 11 17:45:05 PaulFertser: for part counts. May 11 17:45:10 ;) May 11 17:45:57 a few of those 0R are at nasty places though, where they never should be May 11 17:46:14 as no 0R is really just a "0R" May 11 17:46:32 that's so true May 11 17:46:37 always has some complex impedance May 11 17:46:57 DocScrutinizer: but why didnt put some real testpoint there? Is it cheaper? May 11 17:47:03 As ou are here : do you know anything like the average length of each route (or each net...) May 11 17:47:31 khiraly1: I think all those are for current probing May 11 17:48:05 em_: nah, no way May 11 17:48:16 ok no pb ;-) May 11 17:48:28 probably the results were embarrasing May 11 17:48:47 our routing is abysmal May 11 17:48:48 its really pita test om2009, more than 5-7 minutes to reboot. May 11 17:52:14 that's intersting. I am working on a router ;-) ! But for a quiet innovative PCB prototyping technology May 11 17:52:34 Research project with an industrial partner (a venture capital) May 11 17:55:19 em_: so, what do you think about "netlists" that can be generated from verilog/vhdl projects? May 11 18:07:17 mirko-paroli: ther? May 11 18:07:21 mirko-paroli: are you there? May 11 18:07:58 mirko-paroli: I just found for you a new bug;). It is reproducible, and have logs too. (and exception) May 11 18:08:48 khiraly1: put it in the trac ;) May 11 18:08:55 done May 11 18:09:00 nice May 11 18:09:07 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 May 11 18:10:02 i'll take a look at it tomorrow, is already 2 here ;=) May 11 18:10:20 2am? May 11 18:11:22 and hurry up;) I'll try to reproduce you all of my bugreports. So fixes them faster as I find them:-D May 11 18:11:40 btw, pretty timeconsuming to reproduce the bugs. :-( May 11 18:21:03 khiraly1: welcome to my world ;) May 11 18:28:40 2 minutes to shut down the phone and more than 5 minutes to boot into;-\ May 11 18:31:15 mirko-paroli: how's weather in TPE? May 11 18:31:19 khiraly1: noone has started to optimize yet May 11 18:31:24 DocScrutinizer: way too warm May 11 18:31:34 have troubles staying focused May 11 18:31:42 for you a sure bet I guess May 11 18:32:07 I'd love to be there ATM May 11 18:32:15 cold in .de? May 11 18:32:55 not that nice May 11 18:33:14 hmm May 11 18:33:14 no aircon in OM reduced budget? May 11 18:33:31 well the weather might be ok, but the surroundings ... let's not go there ;) May 11 18:33:40 k May 11 18:33:42 yes, we have aircon May 11 18:33:50 but the air is still sticky and stuff May 11 18:33:55 ain't too nice May 11 18:33:58 eew May 11 18:34:07 but maybe it is just me being in an uber good mood May 11 18:34:50 here it's 17C and heavy lightning storms May 11 18:35:19 wow May 11 18:35:20 NICE May 11 18:35:24 wanna switch? May 11 18:35:29 if we both think really hard May 11 18:35:31 i knew that May 11 18:35:31 and focus May 11 18:35:46 lets try it ;-) May 11 18:35:57 I am just way too european to be in tw May 11 18:36:01 or even asia i gues May 11 18:36:03 s May 11 18:36:16 *ommmmmm* May 11 18:36:32 there isn't a place for a touchpad-pen includet in the case? You have to carry it somewhere else? May 11 18:37:52 ah, and I see it is a microSDHC slot, i need a new card. May 11 18:37:57 rnd9: leather case May 11 18:38:15 tuxbrain.com there is a pen holder and it shipped with a pen too May 11 18:38:37 leather case comes with a pen and pen holder May 11 18:44:19 ugg, we need to fix the _long_ delay between hitting [accept] and the phone taking it's sweet time to answer a call May 11 18:51:11 Last day I achieved to use my fr as a wifi antenna for my old laptop which hadn't wifi :D May 11 19:27:38 "Asthe file is so large, you may want to remove the microSD card from the Freerunner and use a card reader to transfer the files; copying them over USB will take several hours. " ... why is a card reader faster than USB or Wifi? May 11 19:27:49 no usb 2.0? May 11 19:28:46 Freerunner has a slower card reader. May 11 19:29:32 only for writing or reading too? May 11 19:32:14 rnd9: both May 11 19:32:19 A slow card reader that shares the data bus with the memory bus and graphics bus :-( May 11 19:32:33 rnd9: uSD is attached through a fucking glamo multimedia-"accelerator". May 11 19:34:08 Is the card reader on FR slower than that of Neo 1973, or faster, or no difference? How does it compare to the integrated flash? May 11 19:34:32 lol multimedia "accelerator" May 11 19:34:50 we're stuck with an ALLmedia decelerator May 11 19:36:07 is this a hardware limit or just driver problem? May 11 19:37:08 rnd9: hardware May 11 19:37:33 rnd9: glamo is probably the most annoying mistake... May 11 19:38:25 PaulFertser, sounds not good May 11 19:38:38 rnd9: tell me what sounds good please. May 11 19:38:51 Nah, i know it myself: TITS May 11 19:39:39 (though they have drawbacks too, girls say not very convenient for sports) May 11 19:52:42 khiraly1: ayt? May 11 19:54:02 Hi there! Anyone using 2009 & paroli? May 11 19:55:08 Anyone interested in improving Paroli (with or without coding skills..) May 11 19:55:38 I flashed 2009 testing3 some days ago and it actually makes FR a usable phone (as long as you replace the gsmhandset.state) May 11 20:00:19 PaulFertser: ayt? May 11 20:00:22 wtf? May 11 20:00:49 rhkfin: I *try* to use om2009 with paroli. But not stable at all. So Im helping testing and debugging May 11 20:01:01 khiraly1: what's not stable? May 11 20:01:06 Do you have testing3 installed? May 11 20:01:13 khiraly1: wrt pedalling. Some people even have to learn how to breathe in another proper way (those who start to play wind-blown instruments) and you say pedalling is hard to change. May 11 20:02:23 wrt = with respect to? May 11 20:02:35 ayt = are you there? May 11 20:02:39 khiraly1: with regard to, yes :) May 11 20:03:22 * SpeedEvil found it really odd - I used to carry a very heavy bag, that I habitually swung over one shoulder in a complex movement, as I couldn't easily lift it there. May 11 20:03:29 PaulFertser: I have difficulty to breathe the proper way when jogging May 11 20:03:42 One day I decided to put it over the other shoulder, and it took me 5 minutes. May 11 20:04:06 As I had to decompose all the muscle movements I was using, and reverse them. May 11 20:06:05 SpeedEvil: yeah sometimes it's hard to get over the old habits, but it often worth it. May 11 20:06:28 Where did this all start? That people are able to adapt to a phone that works in a different way :) May 11 20:06:30 PaulFertser: I will make her to try out a clip in bicycle May 11 20:06:48 khiraly1: what issues did you face with 2009? May 11 20:06:58 it will definietly improve her. Just have fear she will fell down May 11 20:07:15 what clip, why? May 11 20:07:19 rhkfin: unstable. Gui freeze, cant accept any calls (after some calling), etc, etc May 11 20:08:04 Can you get logs? May 11 20:08:04 I cant close the Tele/msgs applications May 11 20:08:10 khiraly1: be careful, when i first tried it i fell 3 times (with zero speed but still). When my brother tried, he fall once and broke my mirror. Some girls don't like falling too much :-/ May 11 20:08:38 rhkfin: yepp, I sended to mirko. But difficult to debug as cant reproduce them reliably May 11 20:08:38 ah clips for shoes? Definitely recommended! May 11 20:08:44 khiraly1: okay.. May 11 20:09:13 so test, test and test rhkfin. Basically more you use your phone more likelyhood paroli will fails May 11 20:09:15 PaulFertser: I guess most people fall with zero speed with clips when they forget them and then it's too late :) May 11 20:09:35 khiraly1: is it paroli or calypso (=the gsm chip)..? May 11 20:10:19 paroli mostly. Maybe frameworkd too. May 11 20:10:46 ok May 11 20:11:12 So what distro are people using? SHR & Debian everyone? May 11 20:11:41 rhkfin: om2009 too :) May 11 20:11:42 rhkfin: use om2009. And help debugging May 11 20:12:00 help reproduce bugs May 11 20:12:07 khiraly1: I'm using, currently writing a message to the om2009t3 thread.. May 11 20:12:41 Oh, if you write to long message (>160chars) paroli fails to send it May 11 20:12:41 * rhkfin even joined #paroli where mirko also was around earlier today but is now off-line - sleeping, I'd guess :) May 11 20:12:55 khiraly1: e-mail, not SMS :) May 11 20:12:59 this time.. May 11 20:13:46 I guess I should write all bugs & things to track, not to the mailing list, but maybe it's worth letting people (=mirko..) first have a look at it before submitting to track.. May 11 20:14:52 so the best rhkfin if you help reproduce bugs in paroli. I hope it will be rocksolid. But it depends on us too. (reproducing bugs really time consuming and no programming skills required) May 11 20:15:34 khiraly1: yep.. May 11 20:15:46 rhkfin: tell me about the bugs, Im pretty sure I was hitting by most of them;) May 11 20:16:42 wait a minute or so.. May 11 20:21:45 khiraly1: btw do you happen to know how to change to illume theme from CLI? Angus told me it'd be something like mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set] but I wasn't able to make it work.. May 11 20:23:08 sorry, but no. Im concentrating only phoning/sms in paroli;) I want to replace my old phone seriously May 11 20:24:13 khiraly1: ok.. My 'bugs' in paroli etc, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047657.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047736.html May 11 20:27:26 rhkfin: they are mostly feature request;) Im suffering by stability May 11 20:30:20 rhkfin: Did you tried paroli with several phone call? May 11 20:31:15 in my experience after the fifth or tenth call paroli will freeze (ie. cant initiate call or receive call) May 11 20:31:49 so if you *use* freerunner as a phone it will fail sooner or later. May 11 20:32:11 khiraly1: no, actually it froze for me once after the first 10min call, but then waiting for some ~5minutes it came back to life.. May 11 20:32:44 But you're right, I should call people more :) I think the audio quality is now good with the new alsastate -> no reason not to call :) May 11 20:34:11 call more people May 11 20:34:26 yep, will do :) May 11 20:35:25 freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rad50ea594709 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 11 20:35:25 freesmartphone.org: Fix use of GLib.Dir May 11 20:35:25 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes May 11 20:36:07 rhkfin: do you have hardware buzz-fix? May 11 20:36:18 khiraly1: yes I do May 11 20:36:42 Did it together with a workmate some weeks ago May 11 20:38:15 and you have slight buzz? (if I read correctly your mail) May 11 20:38:30 I didnt experience buzz at all... May 11 20:41:18 khiraly1: Depends on what mail you read. I might have changed the .state settings after that: at some stage it created some echo if the speaker volume (aux button during call) was at 100. Also when I don't speak, it seems to amplify the background noise (=computer in the room or so) a lot so maybe the threshold could be raised a bit when it opens the mic. May 11 20:41:27 But AFAIK the audio is now good. May 11 20:41:51 for me it is a bit quiet May 11 20:42:02 (for both part) May 11 20:42:24 Hi, I'm trying to mount an nfs drive on my FR, but when I do "mount -t nfs myhost:/mnt/myshare /mnt/nfs" I get "-sh: mount: not found". I'm running SHR testing, and a plain "mount" does show my mounts May 11 20:42:34 the .state file, what you are talking about is the same -a7.state what joerg sended to community some days ago? May 11 20:42:46 do I need to opkg install some extra packages? May 11 20:43:01 Try my alsa: it's the latest 'official' alsastate (not the one with 2009t3) with two changes, see http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state May 11 20:43:15 khiraly1: no, don't use the -a7, that was wrong. May 11 20:43:49 Joerg sent a .new.state (or state.new) a bit later with some fixes. Try that or mine, I've added two more changes there May 11 20:44:00 check the file, explained in the first line) May 11 20:44:22 does someone heard about ofono.org ? Nokia and Intel are starting to develop something very interesting. Maybe a future distro for openmoko ? May 11 20:45:07 rhkfin: it is the same as this?: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new May 11 20:45:09 em_: AFAIK it's a framework, not a distro.. But maybe it'll work on FR in the future, too May 11 20:45:27 yup, this is what I meant, sorry for being such imprecise May 11 20:45:29 khiraly1: yes, that's the latest 'official'. diff that and mine May 11 20:45:44 and where to put this .state file? May 11 20:46:16 /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios May 11 20:46:50 rhkfin: actually the state.new is sent by wendy (and me) ~6months ago May 11 20:47:31 rhkfin: the A7.state is newer messed up version. you shouldn't use this May 11 20:47:49 DocScrutinizer: oh, ok.. And yes, I knew that that A7 is not to be used.. May 11 20:48:35 rhkfin: we should start to write down all paroli issues into the wiki and links to the bugid May 11 20:49:10 khiraly1: indeed, sounds good.. May 11 20:49:15 because it seems its only you and me (outside OM) who actually try to use paroli and test May 11 20:49:38 khiraly1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli start a 'known issues' title? May 11 20:49:58 seems good to me May 11 20:50:16 known issue and vital feature requests May 11 20:50:41 basic feature requests. Like the char counter when writing sms May 11 20:51:05 ON the other hand it all could be submitted to trac for mirko to ignore/approve/fix/something.. May 11 20:51:27 But I agree that it's a mess to submit 25 items to trac.. May 11 20:51:32 yepp. In wiki we should collect it and trac the progress May 11 20:52:41 hmm.. ok.. So maybe I'll write my 'issues' from yesterday to wiki now.. May 11 20:53:42 khiraly1: or should there be a new wiki page for the feature request / issues list? May 11 20:54:20 and create tickets for it into paroli trac May 11 20:54:34 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 May 11 20:54:36 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/143 May 11 20:54:55 these are mine. And have 8 other non reproducible bug May 11 20:55:10 Of course sometimes it's difficult to know if a bug is from paroli or framework or distro.. but let's try.. May 11 20:57:29 doh May 11 20:57:31 found a new one May 11 20:57:43 khiraly1: wiki page paroli-issues ok? May 11 20:58:38 Im ok with anything;) May 11 20:58:49 just tell me where to write;) May 11 20:59:21 heh, ok, a sec, started to clean the paroli wikipage :) May 11 20:59:57 khiraly1: go for it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Paroli-issues&action=edit May 11 21:00:06 I'll clean the paroli page now.. May 11 21:00:34 loller May 11 21:00:49 found a serious bug;) May 11 21:00:53 could you verify it? May 11 21:00:58 tell me May 11 21:01:20 call somebody. Hang up. Restart Tele, and just press on the Call button (no number). May 11 21:01:43 After you should have several paroli screen (in illume list) and I think calling your phone is not possible anymore May 11 21:02:14 several = more than two? May 11 21:02:18 And you cant return to paroli home screen when taping on top May 11 21:02:20 yepp May 11 21:02:23 hmm.. May 11 21:02:26 more than two May 11 21:02:28 I'll try.. May 11 21:03:48 khiraly1: oops, indeed! May 11 21:03:51 I'll check the log May 11 21:04:27 5 of these: 2009-05-12 00:03:27,943 Launcher INFO profile display changed to default May 11 21:04:35 in /var/log/paroli.log May 11 21:04:38 maybe this is the source of several bugs what occurs to me May 11 21:05:38 canbe May 11 21:06:15 paroli has major troubles when it comes to empty/non existent parameter May 11 21:07:06 empty ping fails to. No sim card fails. Empty calling number fails. invalid number fails when sending sms (#141) May 11 21:07:14 s/ping/pin/ May 11 21:07:15 khiraly1 meant: empty pin fails to. No sim card fails. Empty calling number fails. invalid number fails when sending sms (#141) May 11 21:08:13 hmm.. right.. May 11 21:08:22 It's pity only Mirko is working on it :( May 11 21:10:03 can't load my battery May 11 21:10:08 :'( May 11 21:10:11 this makes me angry btw. all the good sw people leave/left openmoko May 11 21:10:35 Xilent: there was some recent posts about starting freerunner without battery on community May 11 21:10:41 freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * rbe1cb0b9c453 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: another try to fix Update() and Delete() May 11 21:11:43 Xilent: if you have ~recent enough stuff in it, just leave it connected to USB (charger or computer) for a while and try to start and hope for the best. May 11 21:13:46 i might try to roll my own distro just to learn how to dev on the freerunner... maybe that's overkill haha May 11 21:14:29 sypher7: I strongly advice you not to do it. May 11 21:15:15 THere are already ~15-20 distros and none of them is GOOD. Most of them are crap, some are ~ok. But not very many work as a decent phone. May 11 21:15:27 i wouldn't do it with the intent of making a usable distro May 11 21:15:38 sypher7: start with here: http://www.paroli-project.org/2009/02/03/paroli-says-hello-world/ May 11 21:15:44 i'd do it so that i could learn what i need to about the hardware, openembedded, etc. May 11 21:15:45 to contribute to something useful May 11 21:16:29 i've never developed for ARM or mobile/embedded devices so i'm hoping to learn from the ground up May 11 21:16:29 this is normal that om2009 is all black and not enleignment anymore ? May 11 21:17:05 and you should never need to. May 11 21:17:07 neoclust: it uses Paroli (see the link I just pasted) May 11 21:17:26 12 years ago or so, fr was a fast desktop with lots of RAM May 11 21:17:36 and no way to have enleignment ? May 11 21:17:50 neoclust: if you press the AUX for 2sec it opens the settings menu -> phone -> change paroli to illume & wait for 3 sec & enjoy May 11 21:17:51 rhkfin: thanks, i'll take a look at that May 11 21:17:55 sypher7: great! May 11 21:18:16 for application development, there is essentially no need at all to use asm. May 11 21:18:19 but i still want to learn all of the low level stuff :-P May 11 21:18:34 neoclust: sypher7: Paroli is the phone application currently developed by Openmoko. It's the default for Openmoko 2009, the next release and it's actually a pretty good phone software already. May 11 21:18:38 (unless you've run into performance walls, and are hand-optimising) May 11 21:18:57 rhkfin: yes but ugly ( i think ) May 11 21:18:58 SpeedEvil: i said ARM not ASM -- maybe i should rephrase that. i've never really done cross-compiling May 11 21:19:09 sypher7: it's just like regular compiling. May 11 21:19:10 rhkfin: i liked the illumine interface May 11 21:19:16 And you can compile on the phone too. May 11 21:19:27 SpeedEvil: right, i know May 11 21:19:40 my point is i'm just curious, that's all :-P May 11 21:20:12 neoclust: just follow my instrucions and you'll get it : May 11 21:20:31 rhkfin: it start and i will test :) May 11 21:21:14 http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/144 May 11 21:21:16 neoclust: great :) May 11 21:22:30 Are there any opkg installable music players out there that supports ogg? May 11 21:23:27 rhkfin: could you comment (confirm) to that bug? (#144) May 11 21:23:38 khiraly1: working on it, with log May 11 21:23:52 rhkfin: remove phone numbers and pins from the log May 11 21:23:56 yes May 11 21:23:58 (privacy) May 11 21:24:22 I will send a patch tomorrow for this privacy stuff. Its too late for today. But bothering me too May 11 21:24:23 ;) May 11 21:25:24 for what stuff? May 11 21:25:32 you mean logging numbers? May 11 21:25:40 obfuscate phone numbers in the log May 11 21:25:42 yepp May 11 21:25:56 right May 11 21:26:01 06203473825 -> 06xxxxxxx25 May 11 21:26:08 I think it's enought to hide .. right, got my point :) May 11 21:26:45 Though the operator prefixes are here 3 numbers, would be handy to see those maybe.. May 11 21:27:12 seeing the first two and last two number pretty much enough I think;) May 11 21:27:39 Hmm.. I guess so.. May 11 21:30:46 khiraly1: okay, cleaned a bit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli May 11 21:31:01 will add still sometghint.. May 11 21:31:11 rhkfin: I think the policy is attache the .log to trac directly, because pastebin erases it (after a month by default). I hope it will be fixed within a month anyway;) May 11 21:31:13 rhkfin: paroli isn't user friendly to create sms or phone a person May 11 21:31:20 rhkfin: i prefere Zhone May 11 21:32:13 neoclust: I do not find it difficult at all. I have only troubles with alarm setting (which will be rewritten anyway) May 11 21:32:32 I never tried zhone btw May 11 21:32:44 neoclust: Zhone is just a test app that is not developed (as far as I know) - but it's funny that although it's just a test app, it works well. May 11 21:33:10 and khiraly1 mirko wrote me today that he isn't far enough with the alarm settings yet :) May 11 21:33:52 khiraly1: I set pastebin to store 'forever' (hmm.. did i.. don't know..). It's easier to cut&paste than move the file from FR to desktop and then attach that.. May 11 21:34:47 i know ;) Just I reported a bug in gimp and after 4(!) year they complained about inaccessible urls. May 11 21:35:20 zhone is a sandbox for tichy? May 11 21:36:42 Hmm.. the wiki is a mess.. Is angus here, btw? May 11 21:37:47 rhkfin: nytowl at #openmoko-cdevel. But not there currently May 11 21:38:36 khiraly1: ok, cool May 11 21:39:23 i will keep hunting bugs;) May 11 21:39:48 rhkfin: we should write too, how to install paroli from git on the phone, and have two version simultanously May 11 21:40:05 more easy to assisting testing May 11 21:40:31 Mirko helped me to do this. May 11 21:40:32 khiraly1: right.. would be handy.. May 11 21:40:38 You have 2 versions? May 11 21:40:49 Second on µSD? May 11 21:41:09 there is an another paroli in /usr/share/nfs-paroli May 11 21:41:17 and have an another .desktop file to launch it May 11 21:41:29 you can close paroli safely. And launch the other version May 11 21:41:29 ok May 11 21:41:36 sry wrong window May 11 21:41:46 and I can git pull for the latest source May 11 21:41:52 khiraly1: please write it to paroli wikipage.. (I'm editing it for a sec still..) May 11 21:42:25 rhkfin: I will tomorrow. But no relevance currently as the testing3 package is only two commits back of the git version May 11 21:42:41 One should fix the sms view for accent characters May 11 21:43:05 khiraly1: right May 11 21:43:50 so little use right now. But mirke promised he will look at my bugreport. Currently there are 4 reproducible crashing bug in the tracker. May 11 21:43:58 nice nice! May 11 21:44:18 im seriously want to replace my old nokia phone;) May 11 21:44:22 I like the way he answers the e-mails and (at least) promises to have a look at stuff.. Too bad there are not more working on it.. May 11 21:44:52 khiraly1: same here - actually I was forced to do it since the battery died on my nokia and I don't want to invest 10e to buy a new one :) May 11 21:45:15 yepp. There are only angus and mirko working actively on the software side from OM May 11 21:46:12 On Freerunner-software.. Who knows what the 'project B' -thing is.. May 11 21:47:03 rhkfin: nothing spectacular. My view is their suspended the phone project until the community finish the right distro for them. May 11 21:47:47 khiraly1: the official opinion is that they try to generate more money (to continue the phone stuff) with project b May 11 21:49:28 but you cant continue the phone stuff when all the good people leave.... May 11 21:49:29 Who knows.. Long time no news from Openmoko.. I'd just like to get weekly or at least monthly reports on what's happening.. May 11 21:49:35 khiraly1: right.. May 11 21:50:01 hi, is there anyone who is there any wiki admin? May 11 21:50:22 I buyed the phone, because likely it will be the last free phone;-\ And illume keyboard is awesome exactly what i need May 11 21:52:57 rhkfin: you mean Long time no LEAKED news from Openmoko ;) May 11 21:53:10 khiraly1: what's the difference between wishlist and known issue..? Basically they both are 'change something', I guess a known issue is something where the author has already agreed that it has to be done..? May 11 21:53:15 khiraly1: heh :) May 11 21:53:41 is no keylock a OM2009 or paroli issue? May 11 21:54:47 I only want to categorize the issues into two part: the first is the crashing/freeze/stability (im interested in it), the second is everything else (phone number displayed in place of contact name, no keylock, etc) May 11 21:55:24 so my goal is i want to be reachable all the time, and I could initiate calls May 11 21:55:28 right.. May 11 21:56:16 I have currently used vi on the phone to write down phone number with contact name in terminal, and used only the number to call May 11 21:56:17 ;) May 11 21:56:47 Thougt I think that known issues should be a list of - issues a user should know before starting to use May 11 21:57:10 I have currently lost some SMS's and phone numbers because of reflashing and not being able to store on SIM :) May 11 21:57:26 do it how you please. But important crashing bugreports needs to be mentioned, as they should be the top 1 on the priority list May 11 21:57:28 what i want to say is that a friend of mine (i unfourtonatley have no freerunner but thought of buying one) told me that it is impossible to mount the device if you upgrade to 2008.12...so i think it is possible :P May 11 21:57:43 rhkfin: I used vi;) And paper and pen May 11 21:58:19 :) May 11 21:58:38 Pvt_Paula: mount the device? Which device? Mount where? What are you talking about? May 11 21:59:09 - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen <-- the same when you type no PIN number, and it reports fails. There are mess around the OK button May 11 21:59:10 Pvt_Paula: after the first start you can't ssh in in 2008.12, you have to restart it to get the SSH up & running (if that's what you mean) May 11 21:59:11 just use sshfs and mount the device. the problem is that i do not know which user is usually used, so the only one which my friend discovered is root and this is very bad as you need to launch your favourite browser with root privileges to edit (viweing also works without root) the files on your phone May 11 21:59:43 PaulFertser: mount the openmoko under linux and view/edit its files May 11 21:59:52 khiraly1: Hmm.. I think I haven't seen the mess around the OK button.. But again, is it paroli or e17.. May 11 22:00:09 Pvt_Paula: since when you need to start ssh/scp as root on host when you access remote device? May 11 22:00:11 rhkfin: e17 more likely May 11 22:00:45 khiraly1: so it shouldn't be reported as paroli issue.. same goes with the top mess, someone somewhere (angus?) mentioned it'w because of Qi (which I can't understand..) May 11 22:00:57 rhkfin: mount the device on your local linux machine May 11 22:01:24 rhkfin: when you hit only on the enter pin button, and you provide no pin at all. There will be several error messages (cant initialize audio, gsm, gprs, etc). And there is only one OK button for each popup. And around these OK buttons are some random color pixels May 11 22:01:42 PaulFertser: this is what i asked myself, too, but it did not work for him as a normal user May 11 22:01:49 Pvt_Paula: what's the problem, do you want to change something in the wiki? I myself have no problem with ssh & fr, works nice. May 11 22:02:07 Pvt_Paula: it means he did something wrong, i guess... May 11 22:02:12 khiraly1: hmm. funny, I've seen the messages but didn't notice the errors.. May 11 22:02:17 I mean the pixels May 11 22:02:28 close paroli and relaunch and try it out;) May 11 22:02:54 Pvt_Paula: if your friend reflashed, he needs to edit the .ssh/known_hosts (and remove the old line) May 11 22:03:11 rhkfin: no, i'd just like to say that IF you are not able to mount the device, you might consider the use of sshfs May 11 22:03:31 hmm.. mount as a block device? May 11 22:04:06 http://ofono.org/ May 11 22:04:41 CVirus: no opinion, eventually might run on Freerunner May 11 22:04:54 khiraly1: ok, now I see the pixels - they are visible only after pressing the OK button May 11 22:04:58 weird May 11 22:05:12 Pvt_Paula: if you are not able to mount the device (with sshfs?) you might consider sshfs? What does it mean? May 11 22:05:28 rhkfin: if the openmoko was not in .ssh/knwon_hosts he would not been able to connect to the device May 11 22:05:29 we should just report and they decide how to procede (it is e17 bug or paroli) May 11 22:05:45 khiraly1: right May 11 22:05:52 most likely it is e17 as paroli is only python and use elementary bindings May 11 22:06:12 khiraly1: I'd report to ml and see what they recommend and then report to trac May 11 22:06:17 that one May 11 22:06:25 Pvt_Paula: the opposite, his public key from host should be at ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on freerunner. May 11 22:06:28 ok May 11 22:07:33 rhkfin: well if it would not be, would he be able to connect to the device ro only or not at all? May 11 22:08:07 * rhkfin has no idea what Pvt_Paula and PaulFertser are talking about and keeps writing paroli issues to wiki ... May 11 22:08:32 rhkfin: you're right, i'm resigning from this strange discussion with Pvt_Paula too. It makes no sense. May 11 22:09:05 rhkfin: thanks for you work on Paroli btw. May 11 22:09:13 PaulFertser: so the only method to mount the device is to mount it via sshfs? May 11 22:09:25 PaulFertser: np.. I guess it doesn't happen unless someone does it.. May 11 22:09:32 PaulFertser: if this is true my friend definitly should have told me -.- May 11 22:10:05 Pvt_Paula: you can run any software on FR, including samba or nfs daemons. May 11 22:10:19 Pvt_Paula: you can use g_storage gadget even. May 11 22:10:31 Pvt_Paula: or you can avoid mounting altogether as scp is pretty much enough. May 11 22:11:38 Pvt_Paula: and afaik sshfs is a fuse-based wrapper around scp. May 11 22:11:40 khiraly1: does your battery icon sometimes show empty also when illume shows 100% (Hmm.. I think it's because I haven't typed in the PIN..) May 11 22:12:09 PaulFertser: well my friend is not able to use a console, so he needs to mount the device to edit the files with his editor using his browser (nautilus= May 11 22:12:40 Pvt_Paula: you can use scp from nautilus if Im right May 11 22:13:13 PaulFertser: i know, i'm sorry, but i just get too less information by my friend May 11 22:13:47 Pvt_Paula: is not able to use a console? I'm sorry, i didn't know he's disabled. May 11 22:14:24 PaulFertser: well he changed to ubuntu ~3 months ago and just relied on guis -.- May 11 22:15:58 Pvt_Paula: you can put the microSD card into a card reader even May 11 22:16:00 Pvt_Paula: and is using Freerunner...??? I'd say he is lacking the basic skills to use it. I wouldn't suggest anyone to try anything on Freerunner (yet) without the skills to use command line... May 11 22:16:16 rhkfin++ May 11 22:16:31 rhkfin: well i told him the same, but he liked the free software aspect May 11 22:17:43 Pvt_Paula: Nice.. Then just tell him to install OM2009 testing 3 (and update the alsa state file) and stick to that for a month.. May 11 22:18:07 it - is - not - a - phone - for - everyone - yet.. May 11 22:19:10 ahh no? ;-P May 11 22:19:10 sftp://root@192.168.0.202/ May 11 22:19:28 ^^ Pvt_Paula: type it into nautilus address bar May 11 22:19:42 when asking for password type a space and hit the connect button May 11 22:19:47 cant be easier May 11 22:19:53 well, i told him to change his freerunner to my htc kaiser (windows mobile 6.0 device) but he did not wan to change :( May 11 22:20:09 I bought it because the description on the web page appealed to me :"some people have managed to make phone calls with it" May 11 22:20:53 spaetz: And it's true. May 11 22:21:08 I manage to make phone calls on mine almost every day ;-) May 11 22:21:11 khiraly1: using sftp would be the same as using sshfs May 11 22:21:18 khiraly1: i guess May 11 22:21:31 you can type ssh://root@192.168.0.202 too May 11 22:21:53 khiraly1: actually I think it doesn't always work - the USB port doesn't always come up automatically and anyway one has to configure Ubuntu to understand that USB networking stuff.. Just some lines somewhere.. May 11 22:21:53 Pvt_Paula: I dont know, are you interesting about a *solution* or just want to edit the wiki page? May 11 22:21:54 ;) May 11 22:21:56 hehe, yep it works sometimes May 11 22:22:18 khiraly1: which is just another way of sshfs ;) May 11 22:22:25 sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 May 11 22:22:40 ^^this to a command line, and after you can use nautilus May 11 22:22:44 except that ssh:// gives a console access, not a GUI to move files? May 11 22:22:53 right May 11 22:22:55 Pvt_Paula: who cares? You asked about nautilus solution May 11 22:23:30 sshfs, sftp, ssh. I do not really know the difference. May 11 22:23:44 khiraly1: yes because there is no May 11 22:24:16 don't forget fish:// :) May 11 22:24:53 khiraly1: he mounted the phone via nm applet or so but he did not realised that it was done with sshfs, so i did not know that sshfs was the "usual" way to mount the device and wanted to propose another one May 11 22:25:03 khiraly1: got it now? May 11 22:25:50 ok May 11 22:26:37 Im away now. Good night. rhkfin thanks for jumping in for bug hunting/testing May 11 22:26:43 wait.. May 11 22:26:52 khiraly1: check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues May 11 22:27:02 khiraly1: good night May 11 22:27:02 Just got the issues I wrote to ML added there May 11 22:27:29 Just the first version.. Need to link to trac and so on.. May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: 03werner * r4969 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: First set of components, by Dave Ball May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: - PMU, PCF50633HN/04/N3 (U1701) May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: - DRAM, K4M51323PC-D (U2201) May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: - Codec, WM8753LGEFL (U3001) May 11 22:58:36 openmoko: - Accelerometer, LIS302DL (U7801) May 11 22:58:38 openmoko: - Boost converter, AAT1275IRN (U4904) May 11 23:27:09 openmoko: 03werner * r4970 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (6 files): May 11 23:27:09 openmoko: Broke gta02-core.lib into per-component libraries. Script mkloe generates May 11 23:27:09 openmoko: gta02-core.lib from components. May 11 23:43:36 hi May 11 23:43:38 anyone here use PISI? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 12 00:15:12 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 12 00:15:31 2009 May 12 01:41:18 Slackware May 12 01:41:18 As of release 12.2, Slackware is now officially supported on the Neo Freerunner [2] May 12 01:41:44 http://armedslack.org/ May 12 01:50:31 i want to see slack on my freerunner May 12 02:23:54 * SpeedEvil tried to build slack on the gta01 May 12 02:32:09 i have fond memories of slack May 12 02:32:16 did you get very far? May 12 02:33:09 not really May 12 02:33:20 build errors, and I got bored May 12 02:33:29 :-P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 12 02:59:57 2009