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May 13 03:59:52 <slaxxer> did dave go to work for ofono?
May 13 07:53:45 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 13 08:36:14 <methril|work> good morning
May 13 08:38:53 <rhkfin> ning
May 13 11:06:10 <viq> What would you (all of you ;) recommend for calendar, todo, notes ?
May 13 11:07:13 <rhkfin> qpe-things (or gpe.. ) check opkg list|grep qpe  (or gpe)
May 13 11:07:39 <viq> gpe. thanks
May 13 11:11:09 <rhkfin> (I guess there aren't actually any others..)
May 13 11:13:24 <viq> there is something
May 13 11:13:33 <viq> http://pimlico-project.org
May 13 11:15:33 <mirko-paroli> viq: any way to get that into elm rather than gtk?
May 13 11:16:38 <viq> Don't ask me, I just clean here ;)
May 13 11:16:52 <mirko-paroli> hehe
May 13 11:17:22 <mirko-paroli> hmm guess I'll check the src then :)
May 13 12:22:00 <viq> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf - is the soldering temperature there given in C or F ?
May 13 12:40:24 <khiraly1> re
May 13 12:40:53 <khiraly1> I've got a nokia BL-6C battery. Its lack of coulumb counter (what freerunner's battery has). Two questions:
May 13 12:41:21 <khiraly1> 1. Will freerunner charge it correctly?
May 13 12:41:55 <khiraly1> 2. Is there a software workaround to display the estimated capacity of the battery? (currently in illume top bar if I click on battery, I see N/A)
May 13 12:42:34 <dns53> the freerunner will not charge a bl-6c battery, and no one has written a driver for it
May 13 12:43:20 <dns53> it's probably not too safe to write one for it without the technical specs for the battery, it works as a temporary solution but it is not for extended usage
May 13 12:44:27 <khiraly1> doh! I bought mine for no use than
May 13 12:45:20 <dns53> you just need a nokia to charge it, i have a few nokias and it works great as a replacement to an openmoko battery
May 13 12:45:58 <dns53> it just cannot be charged by the openmoko because it would not be safe to do so, so charge it with a nokia phone and it works fine as a backup battery
May 13 12:46:32 <khiraly1> dns53: dont have any nokia phone with this specific battery
May 13 12:47:11 <khiraly1> But could be written a failsafe driver which does not charge the battery to the maximum, just only half
May 13 12:47:52 <khiraly1> or, measure the current during the charging with a nokia phone
May 13 12:48:46 <dns53> it could be done technically but laptops do explode and you don't want your phone to burn up
May 13 12:51:16 <khiraly1> none of my nokia phones exploded
May 13 12:52:25 <dns53> because they can read the data channel on the battery and know how much charge they can put in, the openmoko cannot read that data so who knows when you go to far
May 13 12:52:47 <dns53> perhaps once simbian is released we might be able to do it
May 13 12:55:44 <SpeedEvil> you can charge a li-ion perfectly safely - all you need to do is to monitor the voltage
May 13 12:55:50 <raster> i doubt it
May 13 12:56:05 <raster> symbian release doesnt mean they will release their drivers per product
May 13 12:56:08 <dns53> you can if you are reading that data channel we don't know how to do taht
May 13 12:56:09 <dns53> that
May 13 12:56:33 <SpeedEvil> dns53: you read the voltage with the FRs onboard battery voltage reading ADC
May 13 12:56:54 <SpeedEvil> (unless I'm misremembering - I don't think this went away on GTA01 ->02)
May 13 12:57:07 <dns53> for nokia batteries?
May 13 12:57:31 <SpeedEvil> it's on the phone
May 13 12:57:46 <SpeedEvil> it's a direct measure of the battery, it does not use any data connection to it
May 13 13:00:24 <SpeedEvil> If the battery controller hardware is hardwired to not charge batteries that don't respond is anohter question though
May 13 13:01:14 <dns53> yeah i think it was the battery side not the phone side that decides if it can charge
May 13 13:02:29 <SpeedEvil> as I understand - not that way in nokia bats - but I'vve not checked recently
May 13 13:02:58 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r56da46617383 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: rules: fix requesting the CPU resource during calls
May 13 13:04:17 <KaZeR-mobi> hi there
May 13 13:13:20 <qknight> does anyone use shr on the neo? it is very unstable for me after opkg upgrade 
May 13 13:13:25 <qknight> does it work for others?!
May 13 13:25:02 <dns53> i've had a problem with upgrading shr for the last week, it is the same if you start from a recent image but it all works
May 13 13:28:03 <qknight> so you recommend to me just using a recent image
May 13 13:28:11 <qknight> and then i'll work?
May 13 13:28:16 <qknight> should i use stable/testing?
May 13 13:29:34 <qknight> dns53: what are you using?
May 13 13:31:10 <Ainulindale> qknight: we don't work on the upgrade path for the time being
May 13 13:31:18 <Ainulindale> On big changes you're supposed to reflash, sorry :-)
May 13 13:31:31 <Ainulindale> It'll be fixed as soon as we release :-)
May 13 13:31:35 <KaZeR-mobi> qknight : i'm connected here via my shr
May 13 13:32:13 <KaZeR-mobi> Ainulindale: any plan to include this fix? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2264
May 13 13:34:44 <dns53> i use unstable, it works the best
May 13 13:35:21 <Ainulindale> there's no fix in that ticket, is there?
May 13 13:35:49 <Ainulindale> Apart from switching to abyss
May 13 13:35:59 <Ainulindale> Which we'll do as soon as I'll have the green light from FSO :-)
May 13 13:37:49 <KaZeR-mobi> yes, the fix is switching to abyss. that bug is really annoying for people using gprs (upgrading navit, or opkg upgrade : 98% chances of crashing the modem)
May 13 13:38:19 <KaZeR-mobi> the switch to abyss should be done by shr, or the framework team?
May 13 13:41:15 <qknight> which image to use for shr?
May 13 13:43:05 <KaZeR-mobi> btw : thanks for you work, shr team. big kudos for your distro. i'm using it as daily phone for around 2 months now, and i'm quite satisfied
May 13 13:43:09 <KaZeR-mobi> qknight: i use shr unstable
May 13 13:43:14 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4977 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib mkloe s3c2442.lib): First stab at the s3c2442b, by Dave Ball <openmoko@underhand.org>
May 13 13:43:40 <dns53> suspend works, gps works battery life is fine
May 13 13:47:47 <KaZeR-mobi> Ainulindale: is the tracker the appropriate place to request for packages?
May 13 13:52:02 <Ainulindale> KaZeR-mobi: yes there is a package request category
May 13 13:52:20 <Ainulindale> KaZeR-mobi: it should be done in SHR (for your question)
May 13 13:53:46 <KaZeR-mobi> ok thanks. i'll have a look at the tracker for the requests. about abyss, would it be possible to test it? are you aware of / able to provide a package?
May 13 14:00:24 <Ainulindale> able, yes
May 13 14:01:46 <KaZeR-mobi> Ainulindale: would be great, i could test if it does really solve my issue, then
May 13 15:00:34 <KaZeR-mobi> ++
May 13 15:17:33 <slaxxer> C
May 13 15:18:52 <slaxxer> Dave change his name?
May 13 15:19:12 <slaxxer> what about Dave
May 13 15:19:20 <slaxxer> SuperDave
May 13 15:24:35 <PaulFertser> ~seen Dave
May 13 15:24:39 <apt> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 27d 13h 43m 23s ago, saying: 'hahaa'.
May 13 15:28:40 * eolson1 wonders if anyone here knows Dave in real life and can track him down
May 13 15:34:06 <PBeck> hi
May 13 15:43:55 <wurp2|working> PBeck: hi
May 13 15:47:21 * XorA|gone has just finished his last official OM task :-)
May 13 15:48:23 <alphaone> XorA: What did you do?
May 13 15:48:36 <XorA> made xf86-video-glamo the default for gta02
May 13 15:50:57 <Zorkman> and what will you do next XorA?
May 13 15:51:26 <XorA> Zorkman: play with new toys
May 13 15:52:25 <Zorkman> XorA: which ones if I may ask?
May 13 15:53:16 <XorA> Zorkman: hopefully a Pandora someday, but ngw100, beagle and sheeva all need some lurvin
May 13 15:53:27 <XorA> Zorkman: and EEE
May 13 15:54:18 <Zorkman> did you preorder?
May 13 15:54:22 <Zorkman> (pandora?)
May 13 15:54:46 <Ainulindale> ah if only sheeva had two ethernet
May 13 15:54:59 <XorA> Ainulindale: mine will do
May 13 15:55:00 <Ainulindale> I'd have bought ten of these
May 13 15:55:07 <Ainulindale> XorA: Hmmmm ?
May 13 15:55:16 <Ainulindale> Tell me more... *drools*
May 13 15:55:21 <XorA> Ainulindale: I have spare usb ethernet
May 13 15:55:33 <Ainulindale> Ah, USB ethernet. I don't like that :-)
May 13 15:56:04 <Ainulindale> As I'd like to have a disk plugged
May 13 15:56:15 <Ainulindale> (to do a basic little NAS)
May 13 15:56:50 <XorA> you could have sdio wifi for a laugh
May 13 15:56:59 <Ainulindale> Nah. Proper ethernet :-)
May 13 15:57:00 <Ainulindale> (that is wired)
May 13 16:01:24 <XorA> Ainulindale: actually I made my network all wired, I got tired of dropouts due to wifi
May 13 16:01:45 <Ainulindale> So did I
May 13 16:01:46 <XorA> only my pda's now use wifi
May 13 16:02:02 <Ainulindale> Plus when I had a garden and no specific rope to put my clothes on in order for them to dry
May 13 16:02:05 <Ainulindale> I used RJ45 cable
May 13 16:02:07 <Ainulindale> And you can't do that with wifi
May 13 16:02:11 <Ainulindale> To me that's the main drawback
May 13 16:02:42 <XorA> Ainulindale: if you pumped up the wifi power though, it would dry your clothes for you :-)
May 13 16:03:04 <Ainulindale> Yeah but it'd also probably boost my baldness
May 13 16:03:13 <Ainulindale> (Due to chemo)
May 13 16:05:22 <XorA> saves a fortune on "product"
May 13 16:06:58 <Ainulindale> Heh :-)
May 13 16:17:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4978 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/ (. all-sheets-ps expand-pintype): 
May 13 16:17:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: expand-pintype: adds a text field with the pin type to each pin.
May 13 16:17:35 <CIA-53> openmoko: all-sheets-ps: uses psmerge to concatenate the Postscript files (generated
May 13 16:17:35 <CIA-53> openmoko:  with the "Plot" function) of all the sheets of the gta02-core schematics.
May 13 16:20:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4979 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files): 
May 13 16:20:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: First set of schematics, for now just to have everything in a single file
May 13 16:20:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: for easier review. We'll need to rearrange things later.
May 13 16:20:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: Note that this uses the expanded symbols, not the regular ones.
May 13 16:34:55 <geaaru> hi, what is application that supply dbus service org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply
May 13 16:35:08 <geaaru> ?
May 13 16:35:21 <geaaru> thanks in advance
May 13 16:40:41 <slaxxer> may 9 shr unstable ok?
May 13 16:55:05 <spaetz> geaaru: frameworkd
May 13 16:55:16 <spaetz> like all org.freesmartphone stuff
May 13 16:55:44 <geaaru> spaetz: thanks, because i use gta01 with shr but that service isn't founded
May 13 17:07:31 <slaxxer> fso-paroli unstable was narley
May 13 17:16:07 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r627bad5d6fff 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: interfaces: add org.freesmartphone.Device.Input
May 13 17:16:10 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r83e28c40f6d0 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 4 dirs): fsodevice: rename info plugin to kernel_info
May 13 17:16:10 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc427a748f0f2 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodeviced: add build skeleton for kernel_input plugin
May 13 17:29:39 <geaaru> hi found my problem on gta01 interface to getPowerSupply is /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat_th_gta01
May 13 17:30:02 <geaaru> but where i can set this "url"? it is possible from configuration file?
May 13 17:32:23 <geaaru> so this is the method that must be called
May 13 17:32:25 <geaaru> dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone
May 13 17:32:48 <geaaru>  /Device/PowerSupply/bat_th_gta01 org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.GetPowerStatus
May 13 17:34:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r02f4210bd988 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel_input: register input devices
May 13 17:42:06 <qknight> i flashed with shr
May 13 17:42:29 <qknight> and now i get EXT3-fs: invalid journal node
May 13 17:42:36 <qknight> and 2 other stange errors on boot
May 13 17:43:03 <qknight> btusb_intr_complete: hc0 urb c7numbers... failed to resubmit (19)
May 13 17:43:12 <qknight> and another line nearly identical
May 13 17:43:18 <qknight> anyone an idea what that is?
May 13 17:52:16 <wurp2|working> qknight: Did you try reflashing?
May 13 17:54:52 <qknight>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config-shr-dev:
May 13 17:54:56 <qknight>          *  frameworkd-config-shr (= 0.8.5.1+gitr1365+668dde7d810425fefc3c885ef4f7f2eb5034f698-21+99525cd5cd631a9b3e66381fcbda43a271163b3a-r5) *
May 13 17:55:06 <qknight> wurp2|working: yes i just relfashed with shr
May 13 17:56:49 <wurp2|working> So now your fs works?
May 13 17:57:23 <wurp2|working> qknight: You'll get better SHR support in #openmoko-cdevel, btw
May 13 18:00:51 <qknight> wurp2|working: after a hrd reset shr boots at least
May 13 18:00:55 <qknight> thanks
May 13 18:01:00 <wurp2|working> yw
May 13 18:01:02 <qknight> wurp2|working: ;-)
May 13 18:01:21 <wurp2|working> So your first boot failed, but after a hard reset it worked?
May 13 18:01:30 <wurp2|working> This is with the latest shr-testing?
May 13 18:23:47 <dainiusbmw> o
May 13 18:25:04 <dainiusbmw> kas jus
May 13 18:25:22 <dainiusbmw> :)
May 13 18:31:18 <bumbl> ~seen Dave
May 13 18:31:20 <apt> dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 27d 16h 50m 5s ago, saying: 'hahaa'.
May 13 19:18:47 <mirko-paroli> rwhitby: ping
May 13 19:33:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7ac4c6057d43 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: implement adding new contacts on SIM
May 13 19:33:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r43b019bcb783 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: fix adding new contacts
May 13 19:33:17 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r46215f6ca123 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: cosmetical fix
May 13 20:14:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd51676d16dc4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: 
May 13 20:14:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Handle the case where the address has zero length
May 13 20:14:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Comparing with [] doesn't work for arrays len() == 0 is better.
May 13 20:14:17 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra5c4db8314a7 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework
May 13 20:39:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r142a9d7a3168 10/framework/ (patterns/dbuscache.py subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py): 
May 13 20:39:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix SetLed rule
May 13 20:39:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: SetLed needs to follow name owner changes since they aren't there at the
May 13 20:39:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: time oeventsd parses the rule. This commit adds an attribute
May 13 20:39:15 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: follow_name_owner_changes to the
May 13 20:39:17 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: dbuscache.dbusInterfaceForObjectWithInterface method.
May 13 21:00:00 <jonkristian> Is anyone else having problem with neotool when flashing, not at least 2 device changes found ?!?
May 13 21:00:23 <jonkristian> it's been working for months, up until recently.
May 13 21:52:08 <anttna> /me is sad to report fr does not like water :(
May 13 21:52:34 <anttna> test
May 13 21:52:39 * anttna test
May 13 21:52:49 * anttna is sad to report fr does not like water
May 13 21:57:38 * jonkristian heads for the bathroom
May 13 22:06:21 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r407560cd3d9a 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
May 13 22:06:21 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: linux26.vapi: input subsystem bindings complete
May 13 22:06:21 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: (minus force feedback joysticks, but who's going to use these anyways... :-)
May 13 22:07:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec065de210d4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel_input: grab product ID from input device
May 13 22:09:13 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r407f68b361c4 10/Makefile: add target xml
May 13 22:11:19 <slaxxer> Dave?
May 13 22:11:23 <jonkristian> What's the best wifi manager for shr these days, I have real issues with mofi.
May 13 22:12:28 <XorA> jonkristian: anyone done connman, works nice on gta02 on Ångström
May 13 22:12:38 <slaxxer> mine came with mofi
May 13 22:12:58 <jonkristian> yes, mofi is default in shr, but i have issues with it, don't you?
May 13 22:16:13 <slaxxer> yea the not working part is the show stopper
May 13 22:16:34 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r89466478a61e 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: fix name for AudioState
May 13 22:17:11 <slaxxer> might have to go to 04162009 to get it back
May 13 22:17:46 <jonkristian> you're using shr?
May 13 22:18:03 <slaxxer> yea
May 13 22:18:25 <slaxxer> im just a user though
May 13 22:18:29 <jonkristian> There are a couple of ones here, http://www.opkg.org/category_8.html not sure if they work though.
May 13 22:18:47 <jonkristian> Yeah, me too, been on android for a while but i wanted to flash back to shr.
May 13 22:19:00 <slaxxer> knj   is what i will try
May 13 22:20:56 <anttna> viq: I can't see an answer to your temperature question _ oF is rthe answer
May 13 22:22:13 <viq> I was told it was Celsius ;)
May 13 22:41:26 <jonkristian> Does the Angstrom repo work good with shr?
May 13 22:44:57 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4bf0857bc104 10/libfsoframework/vapi/linux26.vapi: fsoframework: linux26.vapi: add missing MAX constants
May 13 22:47:05 <slaxxer> no if we could just formulate an shr release   of the best stuff configured to work for most people    without all the opkg options an all the dependencies in 1 spot
May 13 22:47:37 <slaxxer> parlez vous 
May 13 22:48:01 <anttna> my touchscreen is almost working again 
May 13 22:49:01 <anttna> though it is pink
May 13 22:50:13 <jonkristian> slaxxer: yeah
May 13 22:53:43 <jonkristian> might be just as easy to figure out what's wrong with the current images.
May 13 23:13:34 <jonkristian> hm
May 13 23:53:06 <jonkristian> Can i share maps between navit and tangogps somehow, anybody done this?
May 14 01:58:21 <rooly> who has heard of this song?
May 14 01:58:22 <rooly> http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/pages/lyrics2/nov_ontopspeg.html
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