**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 16 02:59:57 2009
May 16 07:29:33 <Blu3>  * Package edbus-edbus wants to install file /usr/lib/libedbus-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0.5.0
May 16 07:29:33 <Blu3>         But that file is already provided by package  * edbus
May 16 07:29:53 <Blu3> edbus-edbus, in stereo now, or packaging typo?
May 16 07:40:16 <dns53> maybe they are renameing it? you can probably remove one and install the other
May 16 07:50:43 <Blu3> yes, well i think confirmation would be good.  packages often break :)
May 16 09:00:47 <PBeck> ahoi
May 16 09:40:07 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 16 09:40:15 <badcloud1> 'morning
May 16 09:46:57 <badcloud> I've been scouring the net for some sign of an nes/snes/both emulator on openmoko
May 16 09:47:16 <badcloud> are there plans to develop something like that?
May 16 09:50:15 <thrashold> Could I burn something if I enable USB host with power while the phone is connected to a powered USB port?
May 16 09:52:52 <thrashold> badcloud: What do you use on a PC?
May 16 09:59:12 * mjr doesn't know but wouldn't risk it
May 16 10:17:39 <thrashold> mjr: I don't have the intention to try, I just want to know if using my USB mode switching script is "dangerous"
May 16 10:46:36 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc065fd2209ad 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: 
May 16 10:46:36 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] reorder suspend/resume commands
May 16 10:46:36 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: make sure SMS/CB notifications are disabled first, and reenabled last
May 16 11:30:14 <badcloud> thrashold, mednafen
May 16 11:30:21 <badcloud> why?
May 16 11:32:00 <thrashold> you could install/compile it for openmoko
May 16 11:32:18 <thrashold> Though, I'm not sure how would you handle the controls...
May 16 11:34:53 <badcloud> that's my main concern
May 16 11:58:12 <badcloud> someone remember the dir for ringtone settings in shr (I know I can change it via settings)?
May 16 12:05:08 <thrashold> Damn :(
May 16 12:05:20 <thrashold> The ping over the usb networking is dying 5 seconds after plugin
May 16 12:06:41 <PaulFertser> thrashold: looks like you have something evil (like NetworkManager) interfering? ;)
May 16 12:07:01 <thrashold> no, yesterday wicd was interfering
May 16 12:07:09 <thrashold> but now the IPs are up on both sides
May 16 12:09:10 <thrashold> The phone has 192.168.0.202 up on usb0, but doesn't reply on arp requests...
May 16 12:09:40 <PaulFertser> Well, why is the ping dying? Is routing ok on both sides? Are interfaces not changing? No tricky iptables configuration?
May 16 12:11:13 <thrashold> Routing is a bit murky, but ... It worked an hour ago with the same routing, _and_ arping doesn't get any replies :)
May 16 12:11:21 <badcloud> nm, found it
May 16 12:14:56 <thrashold> Is there any chance that The Curse of Monkey Island would work on gta02? :D
May 16 12:32:46 <thrashold> On which event device should the AUX button be detected?
May 16 12:33:52 <thrashold> Hm, event4
May 16 13:37:43 <badcloud> thrashold, MI3? I suspect it's too heavy
May 16 13:37:58 <thrashold> Yep, I already realized MI1 was too heafvy :D
May 16 13:38:32 <thrashold> (Partly due to the fact that E starts to eat CPU when I rotate the screen, I will upgrade E now..)
May 16 13:38:41 <badcloud> and by the way, is there some way to auto lock/aux (screenlock) on boot, once x loads the desktop icons?
May 16 13:39:13 <badcloud> DOTT runs fairly well
May 16 13:39:33 <badcloud> Indiana Jones and the fate o' Atlantis is smooth
May 16 13:39:43 <thrashold> Well, so far I tried MI1, MI2 and The Legend of Kyrandia
May 16 13:39:53 <badcloud> I tried MI1 as well
May 16 13:39:59 <badcloud> was that jerky for you?
May 16 13:40:01 <thrashold> MI2 and LoK work fine
May 16 13:40:09 <badcloud> on which distro?
May 16 13:40:22 <thrashold> Debian
May 16 13:40:22 <badcloud> I can't get the keyboard to popup during MI2 copy protection
May 16 13:40:24 <badcloud> ah
May 16 13:40:33 <badcloud> I'm running shr mostly
May 16 13:40:49 <thrashold> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm This says how to skip the copy protection :)
May 16 13:41:01 <badcloud> thanks
May 16 13:41:09 <badcloud> did you find out how to emulate aux?
May 16 13:41:42 <thrashold> Hm, explain what do you want to do?
May 16 13:43:06 <thrashold> You can write a four-five line C program to do that
May 16 13:43:53 <thrashold> Do you have somewhere to compile programs for your phone?
May 16 13:45:46 <badcloud> hmm, sure
May 16 13:45:57 <badcloud> I thought it might be a simple one line command
May 16 13:46:00 <badcloud> but shoot
May 16 13:46:17 <thrashold> It's quite simple
May 16 13:46:41 <badcloud> ok
May 16 13:49:19 <badcloud> so what do I do?
May 16 13:52:59 <thrashold> Wait a second
May 16 13:53:18 <badcloud> sure
May 16 13:54:29 <Think-Free> Hi ! I'm looking for a librairy to build a virtual keyboard for Xorg ( no efl ) .. any ideas ?
May 16 13:55:16 <thrashold> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/117571/
May 16 13:55:30 <thrashold> Compile this with gcc keyemu.c -o keyemu -lX11 -lXtst
May 16 13:55:45 <thrashold> and add keyemu 177 to your .xsession, after a sleep possiblt
May 16 13:55:52 <jonkristian> are there any known problems with Qi on shr?
May 16 13:55:56 <thrashold> is that what you want to do?
May 16 13:57:05 <badcloud> I think so, thanks
May 16 13:57:35 <matholio> is the openmoko project still going?
May 16 13:57:51 <thrashold> Though it requires XTest, which might or might not be available on SHR
May 16 13:58:05 <badcloud> hmm, seems like too much work for something so small
May 16 13:58:20 <badcloud> all I wanted was for the screen to be locked after boot
May 16 13:59:10 <thrashold> I believe XTest always comes with X, both the lib and the extension, but I'm not sure
May 16 13:59:15 <thrashold> it does on Gentoo and Debian :)
May 16 14:04:55 <thrashold> Now let me destroy my installation :D
May 16 14:11:18 <jonkristian> what to do if the sdcard is mounted read-only in shr?
May 16 14:11:30 <jonkristian> i've been searching, but in a bit of hurry:/
May 16 14:18:35 <jonkristian> nvmnd, mkfs problem i think.
May 16 14:48:23 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r99e5add87a14 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
May 16 14:48:23 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain and namespace clashes
May 16 14:48:23 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 14:48:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * ra8e9b551fddd 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 16 14:48:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Fix errordomain & namespace name clashes
May 16 14:48:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: - Introduce fso:no-container boolean attribute
May 16 14:48:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org:  (i.e. errordomain has no proper name)
May 16 14:48:37 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: - Compute names accordingly
May 16 14:48:39 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: - Adds error_name_index for the indexing of errordomains
May 16 14:48:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 15:00:51 <panicking> Hi all
May 16 15:01:00 <panicking> have you take a look to this project?
May 16 15:01:08 <panicking> oFono.org
May 16 15:01:20 <leinir> Hehe, you're a couple of days late, but yes :)
May 16 15:01:39 <leinir> there's at least a couple of threads about it on the mailing list(s) as well :)
May 16 15:02:32 <panicking> leinir, yes but I'm busy so I don't follow every project
May 16 15:02:47 <panicking> other gsm-stack
May 16 15:04:25 <panicking> I have download the project to take a look
May 16 15:04:56 <leinir> So, what's the word on it? :)
May 16 15:05:31 <leinir> i've only read that they have a hefty case of NIH, or to be exact, that they think that fdo is too low level :)
May 16 15:08:39 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r29d23b8558df 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/ (2 files): 
May 16 15:08:39 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Add errors for Usage and Resource
May 16 15:08:39 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 15:16:53 <DocScrutinizer> leinir: which is plain ridiculous btw
May 16 15:17:43 <leinir> DocScrutinizer: Indeed :)
May 16 15:18:18 <thrashold> I found out why my desktop icons didn't work in E...
May 16 15:18:22 <thrashold> I had two set of desktops 
May 16 15:18:28 <thrashold> one over the another...
May 16 15:24:24 <thrashold> Can anyone give any hint how to make the desktop not interfere with the launcher, or make the desktop icons I add go into the launcher?
May 16 15:42:58 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r550912599543 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: 
May 16 15:42:58 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Introduce a temporary hack before type parse enhancements
May 16 15:42:58 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 15:44:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07specs * r4f531f91a9fa 10/org.freesmartphone.Usage/org.freesmartphone.Usage.xml.in: 
May 16 15:44:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Introduce ResourceName enumeration
May 16 15:44:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 15:45:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r9cca6ed6b66c 10/src/ (3 files): 
May 16 15:45:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Regenerate with UsageError, ResourceError and ResourceName
May 16 15:45:48 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 16 15:49:54 <thrashold> How is the creation of links in ~/.e/e/appshadow configured?
May 16 16:34:21 <vininim> wat
May 16 16:34:30 <vininim> I thought intone was already at shr-unstable feed
May 16 16:36:59 <vininim> updating does fix stuff
May 16 16:38:39 <wurp2|gone> vininim: Updated shr-unstable has a valid power menu and no other obvious problems?
May 16 16:41:51 <vininim> wurp2: only updated, not upgraded yet
May 16 17:11:10 <jonkristian> is the majority on shr-testing or unstable?
May 16 17:12:39 <Guest74821> I do not kwno waht majorty does but I am duel booting my phone with android on sd card and shr testng on the phone
May 16 17:13:06 <jonkristian> ok
May 16 17:13:48 <jonkristian> cupcake?
May 16 17:14:41 <Guest74821> yes, cupcake
May 16 17:17:24 <jonkristian> cool, how is the cupcake image, you are using serdar's image? http://moko.serdar-dere.net/
May 16 17:17:34 <jonkristian> and with what kernel?
May 16 17:57:53 <anttna> hi, I haven't been following ml's etc lately so this may be irrelevant.
May 16 17:57:53 <anttna> I flashed nevento (from shr) and got several sms's from 2 months ago for the first time,
May 16 17:57:53 <anttna> I haven't searched for bugs etc just thought I would mention it
May 16 18:01:30 <PaulFertser> Hey people, greet wolfgang_spraul , the big Boss :)
May 16 18:02:02 <wolfgang_spraul> PaulFertser, hmmm
May 16 18:02:16 <wolfgang_spraul> I will think about that one...
May 16 18:03:09 <wolfgang_spraul> PaulFertser, how is everything?
May 16 18:03:57 <wolfgang_spraul> I think Werner started some really interesting stuff with gta02-core, working on components libraries, open layout using Kicad, etc...
May 16 18:05:35 <PaulFertser> wolfgang_spraul: everything is going on. Not as fast as it was before, but well, it's still nice. I saw Werner's commits here but i haven't checked the code and it wasn't obvious from the commit messages what is he after.
May 16 18:06:43 <wolfgang_spraul> PaulFertser, how do you feel about the kernel now?
May 16 18:06:54 <wolfgang_spraul> I am a bit worried, read stuff about WSOD, wifi bugs, etc.
May 16 18:07:25 <wolfgang_spraul> there is a lot of good activity from Nelson and others helping him, but still I am not entirely clear about the overall quality of the kernel on gta02
May 16 18:07:37 <wolfgang_spraul> we never got around to having a really powerful automated kernel test
May 16 18:07:49 <wolfgang_spraul> that would go through all peripherals, etc.
May 16 18:07:52 <wolfgang_spraul> not so easy...
May 16 18:08:58 <PaulFertser> wolfgang_spraul: imho wifi bugs are something that still needs attention. I'm afraid Werner doesn't have enough free (or paid) time to do it now, but reports about wifi working with .24 and not working with .28-.29 are worrying. And i had a wifi-related panic (can't provide dump :( ) just yesterday. Bad thing about wifi is that atheros acknoledges some critical bugs but isn't going to fix them (at least it looks like that).
May 16 18:09:22 <DocScrutinizer> wolfgang_spraul: hi! :-)
May 16 18:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> long time no see ;-)
May 16 18:09:42 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, hey
May 16 18:09:50 <wolfgang_spraul> thanks for the warm welcome
May 16 18:10:03 <PaulFertser> wolfgang_spraul: automating testing is hard to do right, yes :-/ BTW, lindi- is doing quite some automated tests, including kernel-related. Nelson is doing good pushing things upstream btw, he already received some suggestions from RMK and other arm folks, so this looks like a way to go.
May 16 18:10:46 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, did you see what Werner started with gta02-core, trying to redraw layout/schematics in kicad etc?
May 16 18:10:53 <DocScrutinizer> wolfgang_spraul: are you fine with me publishing net-lists of gta02? netlists are a more abstract representation of the info included in schem already public
May 16 18:11:18 <wolfgang_spraul> what is it exactly?
May 16 18:11:19 <DocScrutinizer> wolfgang_spraul: yes, I've seen and followed gta02-core
May 16 18:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> wolfgang_spraul: (exactly) a set of tuples, each consisting of component pins' names which share same trace
May 16 18:12:45 <wolfgang_spraul> ok why not?
May 16 18:13:09 <wolfgang_spraul> is this some file we have on our servers right now?
May 16 18:13:10 <DocScrutinizer> no reasonable cons, just wanted to ask for PC ;-)
May 16 18:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> wolfgang_spraul: nope, I have to create those from PADS
May 16 18:13:43 <wolfgang_spraul> I have never seen this data
May 16 18:13:58 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, one thing confuses me about gta02-core
May 16 18:14:08 <DocScrutinizer> It's not usually needed for fab purposes
May 16 18:14:19 <wolfgang_spraul> werner says we can help him by releasing board outline ("gen020.pho")
May 16 18:14:27 <wolfgang_spraul> and 'footprints'
May 16 18:14:35 <wolfgang_spraul> is this stuff from gta02 or gta03?
May 16 18:14:41 <DocScrutinizer> gta02
May 16 18:14:55 <wolfgang_spraul> "gen020.pho" - what is that?
May 16 18:14:56 <DocScrutinizer> footprints are IP though I think
May 16 18:15:03 <wolfgang_spraul> isn't this a PADS layout proprietary file format?
May 16 18:15:11 <wolfgang_spraul> then nobody could use it for anything, I would think
May 16 18:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> dunno this particular file
May 16 18:15:38 <wolfgang_spraul> what I suggest is this - let's not release original PADS Layout file formats right now
May 16 18:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI he wants to use the GERBER to extract footprints
May 16 18:15:51 <wolfgang_spraul> first of all this would require anybody to have the proprietary software
May 16 18:16:09 <wolfgang_spraul> second it's 'politically charged', so I would need to get permission for releasing the 'GERBERS' etc.
May 16 18:16:31 <wolfgang_spraul> but if you go and export some valuable, static, information from PADS Layout as 'documentation', then I totally support that we do it and publish it
May 16 18:16:34 <DocScrutinizer> well it's all a very critical thing wrt IP (of mentorgrafix etc)
May 16 18:16:45 <wolfgang_spraul> as PDF, or PNG or whatever
May 16 18:17:52 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, can you export the 'net-lists', maybe also 'footprints' into a static file format?
May 16 18:17:53 <DocScrutinizer> yup, agree. I'm not very happy with the whole gta02-core thing tho
May 16 18:18:09 <wolfgang_spraul> maybe send it to me for review if you want to be totally sure. But you know in general the more documentation the better.
May 16 18:18:13 <wolfgang_spraul> That's the whole point of Openmoko!
May 16 18:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> netlists are plain ascii
May 16 18:18:22 <wolfgang_spraul> cool
May 16 18:18:32 <DocScrutinizer> footprints are proprietary alltimes
May 16 18:18:50 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, which file format could footprints be represented in - ideally open file format?
May 16 18:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> as they need to be used by the layout prog
May 16 18:18:57 <wolfgang_spraul> 'footprint' sounds visual, can this be a PNG?
May 16 18:19:16 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, ok, maybe just start with the net-lists
May 16 18:19:23 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, why are you not happy about gta02-core?
May 16 18:19:25 <DocScrutinizer> png wouldn't contain the exact length values etc
May 16 18:19:44 <DocScrutinizer> gta02-core is senseless disappointing work
May 16 18:19:58 <wolfgang_spraul> which standard format for footprints could we export to? something that kicad could import?
May 16 18:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> no result whatsoever
May 16 18:20:04 <wolfgang_spraul> why so?
May 16 18:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> (standard) there is none
May 16 18:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> we had to export to kicad directly. And footprint lib is IP of mentor
May 16 18:20:51 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI
May 16 18:20:58 <wolfgang_spraul> oh
May 16 18:21:01 <wolfgang_spraul> IP of mentor?
May 16 18:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> (why so) no resulting useable product. much money burnt for nothing
May 16 18:21:26 <wolfgang_spraul> why not?
May 16 18:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> (IP) usually
May 16 18:21:34 <wolfgang_spraul> ok, let's do one by one
May 16 18:21:38 <wolfgang_spraul> you just go ahead with the net-lists for now
May 16 18:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 16 18:21:47 <wolfgang_spraul> since you seem to think that is helpful documentation for some people
May 16 18:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 16 18:22:00 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, 'net-list' != GERBER, correct?
May 16 18:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> been asked for it
May 16 18:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> yup correct
May 16 18:22:12 <wolfgang_spraul> the only thing that we have not yet agreed to release are the 'GERBERS'
May 16 18:22:23 <DocScrutinizer> gerber is "postscript for PCB"
May 16 18:22:34 <wolfgang_spraul> but any additional documentation files exported from PADS should be find
May 16 18:22:38 <wolfgang_spraul> same as the schematics
May 16 18:22:41 <wolfgang_spraul> yes I know
May 16 18:22:51 <wolfgang_spraul> why do you think gta02-core will not result in a useable product?
May 16 18:23:08 <wolfgang_spraul> I like the fact that they move schematics and layout to a fully open software (kicad)
May 16 18:23:09 <DocScrutinizer> It will lag behind even FR
May 16 18:23:22 <wolfgang_spraul> in which area?
May 16 18:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> sure, but they could start "to implement the process" (quote werner) by using decent components like 6410
May 16 18:24:07 <DocScrutinizer> not this old obsolete crap
May 16 18:24:27 <wolfgang_spraul> I think most important is upgrade to 3G
May 16 18:24:34 <wolfgang_spraul> 2442 or 6410 is secondary
May 16 18:24:37 <wolfgang_spraul> but that's a separate discussion
May 16 18:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> yup, ack
May 16 18:24:51 <wolfgang_spraul> overall I think the kicad stuff goes in the right direction
May 16 18:24:58 <wolfgang_spraul> we just need to support it better
May 16 18:25:01 <wolfgang_spraul> maybe with some more documentation
May 16 18:25:05 <wolfgang_spraul> later maybe with components
May 16 18:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> well, sorry to have a date in 4min. Maybe we can discuss in #gta02-core further? later on...
May 16 18:25:32 <wolfgang_spraul> DocScrutinizer, as you know I always want to learn - when you have the 'net-lists' please keep me posted, want to see what it is exactly... :-)
May 16 18:25:41 <wolfgang_spraul> it's late here, I go to sleep soon (2.30 AM)
May 16 18:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> np, will do
May 16 18:25:48 <wolfgang_spraul> sitting in the shiny Openmoko office :-)
May 16 18:25:50 <DocScrutinizer> cya
May 16 18:25:54 <wolfgang_spraul> cy
May 16 18:36:04 <lindi-> PaulFertser: my current problem with automated call testing is that my VOIP provider is not reliable :)
May 16 18:36:23 <PaulFertser> lindi-: so, that's great results. FR is more reliable than VoIP provider ;)
May 16 18:36:31 <lindi-> PaulFertser: I've filed support ticked with them but they haven't replied
May 16 18:36:33 <PaulFertser> Reliability milestone, i'd say.
May 16 18:38:09 <PaulFertser> lindi-: do you know what my ISP says when i'm trying to convince them that their last router shouldn't silently drop packets with > 1492 bytes (directed from the internet to me or any their customer) and instead send ICMP framentation needed but DF set response?
May 16 18:38:18 <lindi-> PaulFertser: heh, the problem is that we already replaced our old non-voip phones
May 16 18:39:08 <SpeedEvil> PaulFertser: have you tried reinstalling windows?
May 16 18:39:13 <PaulFertser> lindi-: They say: "Well what problems exactly with accessing the Interent are you experiencing?"
May 16 18:41:21 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: and that after exchanging > 5 emails where i send them detailed tracerouting, pinging with various sizes, comparision with some random german adsl provider (that does the right thing) and they just report something like "That's how our routing works" "You should use MTU=1492" and other nonsence.
May 16 18:41:35 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 16 18:43:02 <SpeedEvil> Probably one of the less broken aspects of the modern internet.
May 16 18:43:13 <SpeedEvil> way too many people don't understand why the protocols work
May 16 18:43:25 * SpeedEvil wonders when it'll all come crashing down.
May 16 18:45:54 <thrashold> Is anyone here sure that FR doesn't have the problem with taking the battery out while charing and fried PMU?
May 16 18:46:06 <thrashold> charging
May 16 18:47:07 <PaulFertser> thrashold: I'm :)
May 16 18:47:15 <PaulFertser> thrashold: why do you ask?
May 16 18:47:23 <thrashold> Because I think that I fried my freerunner
May 16 18:48:28 <PaulFertser> thrashold: oh boy. What exactly you did?
May 16 18:48:47 <thrashold> Took the battery out two times today while on USB power
May 16 18:49:03 <thrashold> Three
May 16 18:49:42 <thrashold> The first one, the phone went off at the moment I took the battery out. And I think that this fried my phone
May 16 18:50:09 <thrashold> The second one, I was running SHR (I run Debian usually), and the phone continued to run, I put another battery...
May 16 18:50:29 <thrashold> The third one, I took the battery out, the phone switched off and I heard a cracking sound
May 16 18:50:45 <thrashold> low-frequency noise
May 16 18:50:55 <SpeedEvil> what happens now
May 16 18:51:00 <SpeedEvil> when you put in battery
May 16 18:51:03 <SpeedEvil> and plug it in
May 16 18:51:19 <thrashold> Didn't boot at first, will try again now
May 16 18:51:54 <thrashold> Boots
May 16 18:52:01 <thrashold> I'm not sure yet
May 16 18:52:20 <SpeedEvil> Operation off USB  only is at best flaky
May 16 18:52:39 <SpeedEvil> especilly if you've not turned the modem off
May 16 18:52:43 <thrashold> I'm just experiencing the problem that the phone is not charging my battery, while /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status says Charging
May 16 18:53:12 <PaulFertser> thrashold: how do you say?
May 16 18:53:14 <thrashold> capacity went from 0 to 1 in half an hour
May 16 18:54:16 <thrashold> I will try to charge it in SHR now
May 16 18:54:22 <thrashold> and we'll see, I hope I'm wrong :)
May 16 18:54:54 <PaulFertser> thrashold: what's the battery current?
May 16 18:55:38 <thrashold> was 3932100 before I heard the cracking sound
May 16 18:56:00 <leinir> Hmm... just found out that Mer is being ported... that's kinda interesting :)
May 16 18:56:01 <PaulFertser> thrashold: current?
May 16 18:56:01 <thrashold> that is, before I took it out to put another one
May 16 18:56:09 <thrashold> oops
May 16 18:56:18 <thrashold> hah, don't listen to me :D
May 16 18:56:23 <thrashold> I read "voltage
May 16 18:56:42 <thrashold> and even pasted time_to_full_now instead of voltage_now
May 16 18:56:42 <thrashold> :D
May 16 18:56:54 <thrashold> Wait
May 16 18:57:39 <thrashold> 105562 current_now
May 16 18:58:20 <thrashold> capacity is 0, status is Charging
May 16 18:58:31 <PaulFertser> thrashold: so, the battery is charging with 105mA
May 16 18:58:52 <thrashold> How much time will it take to reach 5%?
May 16 18:58:53 <PaulFertser> thrashold: i guess :)
May 16 18:59:33 <SpeedEvil> about half an hour
May 16 18:59:39 <SpeedEvil> if that is accurate
May 16 19:00:21 <thrashold> OK, so after half an hour or so I'll know if I have a problem, or I'm just talking bullshit...
May 16 19:00:51 <thrashold> But the phone made a cracking sound when I removed the battery, which scared me
May 16 19:01:06 <thrashold> And the cracking sound stopped when I took the USB cable out
May 16 19:01:26 <PaulFertser> thrashold: you did the right thing. Probably one shouldn't take out the battery with GSM enabled.
May 16 19:01:50 <wurp2> vininim: Thanks.  Sorry for the slow reply; I wandered off
May 16 19:02:01 <thrashold> Hm, is GSM enabled by default when there is no SIM card and only frameworkd running?
May 16 19:02:20 <PaulFertser> thrashold: without SIM 500mA from USB should be enough anyway...
May 16 19:02:55 <PaulFertser> thrashold: GSM is powered all the time any dialer app is running.
May 16 19:02:58 <thrashold> current_now changed to -51562
May 16 19:03:30 <thrashold> When I heard the cracking sound I didn't have any dialer app (I managed to screw zhone's libraries, so no dialer for me in Debian)
May 16 19:03:49 <PaulFertser> thrashold: hm... I'd still suggest you to close all the dialer apps now and see how it goes (charging)...
May 16 19:05:02 <thrashold> I don't have any such open. Should I kill ophonekitd?
May 16 19:06:22 <PaulFertser> thrashold: i'd do that just in case
May 16 19:06:39 <PaulFertser> thrashold: if you don't have gsm0710muxd running then most probably the modem is turned off.
May 16 19:06:53 <thrashold> I have
May 16 19:07:13 <thrashold> It dissappeared when I killed ophonekitd
May 16 19:08:36 <thrashold> Anything in sysfs for the power status of the modem?
May 16 19:09:04 <PaulFertser> thrashold: sure
May 16 19:09:29 <PaulFertser> thrashold: cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
May 16 19:09:38 <thrashold> 0
May 16 19:11:03 <thrashold> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/117629/ I've been getting this for some time now, I noticed it yesterday
May 16 19:12:13 <PaulFertser> thrashold: that's ok
May 16 19:12:35 <PaulFertser> thrashold: debugging messages that just happened to have a level too high.
May 16 19:12:36 <thrashold> I'll try to switch to a wall charger
May 16 19:14:52 <thrashold> Ah, it's all fine there
May 16 19:14:55 <thrashold> No problems
May 16 19:15:06 <thrashold> Thanks, it seems that I was wrong
May 16 19:15:12 <thrashold> my battery quickly went to 3%
May 16 19:18:03 <thrashold> OK, so, I don't have anything fried
May 16 19:18:25 <thrashold> Or at least I don't have any reason to believe otherwise
May 16 19:20:13 <thrashold> I'm sorry for the false alarm :)
May 16 19:20:16 <thrashold> But I'm still a bit scared from the cracking sound, is there any possibility that it is dangerous?
May 16 19:20:49 <PaulFertser> thrashold: you should better ask DocScrutinizer about it.
May 16 19:32:48 <thrashold> But it was the same thing as with GTA01 (which I assumed was harmless when I heard it), just several octaves lower. :) Given the frequency difference, it sounds as it is frying with a lower speed (like 15 minutes to fry or something) :D
May 16 19:32:54 <thrashold> as if it is
May 16 19:33:22 <PaulFertser> thrashold: you should definetely contact DocScrutinizer to discuss it.
May 16 19:38:58 <thrashold> Hm, will he mind if I sent him a mail with a description of the problem?
May 16 19:39:22 <PaulFertser> thrashold: sure not :)
May 16 19:39:33 <PaulFertser> thrashold: Cc OM-hardware ML too.
May 16 19:40:16 <thrashold> Can I send mails to that list if I'm not subscribed, or I should subscribe?
May 16 19:42:21 <PaulFertser> thrashold: you might try, jc said he was going to enable it.
May 16 19:42:57 <PaulFertser> thrashold: no harm anyway, just add your Cc, Joerg will reply and his reply with your mail quoted will reach it anyway.
May 16 19:43:28 <PaulFertser> thrashold: hardware@lists.openmoko.org
May 16 19:43:39 <thrashold> OK
May 16 20:03:57 <mib_fq4qwies> is this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 any good?
May 16 20:08:10 <doc|home> mib_fq4qwies: wrong channel
May 16 21:15:23 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r4993 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): Split cpu further - mostly into one subsystem per part.
May 16 21:57:57 <anttna> I showed mokomaze to someone yesterday and for the first time they were impressed by my fr (even with my dodgy screen)
May 16 21:58:35 <anttna> I'm must try to install more apps with wow factor, where is frozen bubble ? :)
May 16 22:04:32 <rhkfin> anttna: cool :)
May 16 22:04:49 <rhkfin> anttna: there isn't many more apps with that wow factor. Maybe numpty physics.
May 16 22:23:56 <anttna> rhkfin: to be fair I forgot about np they liked that too 
May 16 22:26:48 <rhkfin> ok :)
May 16 22:27:12 <rhkfin> I think someone somewhere wrote about froze buble but can't remember..
May 16 22:37:09 <doc|laptop> so, shr or om2009? :/
May 16 22:38:16 <rhkfin> Anyone know how to check GSM firmware version?
May 16 22:38:29 * rhkfin uses om2009 but belongs to minority here..
May 16 22:43:10 * Weiss is thinking of trying OM2009
May 16 22:45:40 <rhkfin> Weiss: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues to see what you'll get. Some stuff works, some doesn't. Bug testing etc is warmly welcomed, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/048061.html
May 16 22:46:38 * rhkfin enjoys mediawiki syntax higlighting of Kate :)
May 16 22:46:59 <Weiss> OM2009 uses X.org?
May 16 22:47:13 <doc|laptop> rhkfin: does it recognise the telephone numbers of people who send you sms? 
May 16 22:47:21 <rhkfin> doc|laptop: it does
May 16 22:47:28 <doc|laptop> one of the things that annoyed me about shr was that, I had no clue who the sms was from :/
May 16 22:47:36 <rhkfin> Weiss: /me never learned X.org and xserver differences..
May 16 22:47:37 <Weiss> same for phone calls?
May 16 22:47:39 <doc|laptop> is that fixed in shr yet does anyone know?
May 16 22:47:52 <doc|laptop> Weiss: dunno, didn't use the phone for long enough to find out :(
May 16 22:48:05 <rhkfin> Weiss: not sure.. I think it does (at least the devel version already does -> next testing will at the latest.. I think t3 already does..)
May 16 22:48:29 <doc|laptop> every month or two I do an update, play with it for 5 minutes, get disappointed and go back to using my crappy motorola 
May 16 22:48:32 <Weiss> rhkfin: X.org is the new one, Xglamo(=Kdrive) is the "old one"... i'm curious because i want something which vaguely works for SMS/phone calls, but which i can use for my DRI devel work
May 16 22:51:42 <rhkfin> Weiss: Debian?
May 16 22:56:15 <anttna> rhkfin: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing
May 16 22:56:15 <anttna> does the last line work only on SHR? 
May 16 22:57:25 <rhkfin> anttna: a sec..
May 16 22:58:07 <rhkfin> hmm.. don't know..
May 16 22:59:17 <rhkfin> anttna: no idea how to test it? HOd wo I apply the AT command to GSM modem?
May 16 23:02:17 <anttna> rhkfin: sorry dude your asking the wrong person
May 16 23:03:52 <anttna> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd but it says it does not work for om2008:08
May 16 23:04:42 <Weiss> anttna: the one about shr-settings?
May 16 23:04:48 <SpeedEvil> 2008.8 has itself gone away
May 16 23:05:26 <rhkfin> so has 2008.9 and 2008.12..
May 16 23:08:09 <anttna> rhkfin: I've never used the SHR command I just remembered reading it on the wiki
May 16 23:08:09 <anttna> as for the OM I think it may not work for OM09 either
May 16 23:08:37 <rhkfin> anttna: I might have a hint..
May 16 23:09:29 <anttna> rhkfin: so I see :) 
May 16 23:30:47 <slaxxer> so with the new shr-unstable    latest.bin    things get improved?
May 16 23:31:55 <rhkfin> Things always improve :)
May 17 00:20:03 * Any_Key|away is away: Away
May 17 00:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: your GSM/flashing cleanup efforts are highly appreciated. Just one recommendation: please don't completely delete whole statements (e.g. about the nonexistent diff between GTA01 and GTA02). If it's impossible for me to check correctness of new version, I tend to undo it.So please don't do too much changes at once as well. Thanks. jOERG
May 17 00:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: please notice this is kinda official OM recommendation page. So we need to check all edits, and you need to be aware you have to take a high amount of responsibility for your edits as well
May 17 00:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> please be careful and don't force us to lock this wikipage
May 17 00:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> if you're not sure about anything, you'e welcome to ask here in IRC
May 17 00:33:47 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: oh, okay, understood!
May 17 00:34:53 <rhkfin> I guess it's the user/developer/OMemplyee point of view difference
May 17 00:37:33 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: you might want to check the latest edits still.. But from now on I'll leave it untouched.. (sorry, just recommended someone on the ML to edit it since it's a wiki.. But it might not be a bad idea to lock pages like that if this is the case..)
May 17 00:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just about to check it ;-)
May 17 00:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: most of your changes are welcome
May 17 00:39:09 <rhkfin> I think we've now moved some parts back & forth some four times or so :) I had this weird feeling that I must've not saved some my changes but it was you :)
May 17 00:39:38 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: I just wanted to make clear te issue before you might do a lot of work that gets rejected and feel disapointed then
May 17 00:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> the shape it's in at this very moment seems rather reasonable to me. Go ahead with careful work. I know you got the point now
May 17 00:42:07 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: I understand. I was thinking from the user point of view - what information is needed for a user to know to flash his firmware. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have a 'Developer information' on a pages like this that's not meant to be read by a 'user' (whatever that means in Freerunner world :)
May 17 00:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> if something seems completely wrong to you, it might be a good idea to ask. If something is clearly obsolete, then update carefully. Poor wording may be fixed any time
May 17 00:43:03 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: the "user part" is the usd procedure ;)
May 17 00:43:24 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: right.. It's a pain with wiki as people only tend to add stuff there, not reorganize/clean/remove..
May 17 00:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> you're welcome to restructure the page by merely moving the uSD to top of page, and headline the manual method by "for the geeks" or sth ;D
May 17 00:44:36 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: yes and that was my intention to guide the user there ~as soon as possible, on the other hand the Moko11 caption has some basic description abtou the latest version.
May 17 00:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> but please don't do other edits same time, as it makes checking virtually impossible
May 17 00:45:04 <rhkfin> Do you know how does the wiki handle the caption name changes or linking to an old caption?
May 17 00:45:08 <rhkfin> ok :)
May 17 00:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> I'm a wiki noob, sorry :o)
May 17 00:45:35 <rhkfin> ok :)
May 17 00:48:34 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: please always keep in mind this page has been scrutinized a lot and there's probably not very much useless info on it (except the obvious obsolete details). I think you will know how to handle it then, and how to edit so I can check and see what's actually been done
May 17 00:50:18 <rhkfin> yep, I don't have a need to work on it more  (moved the uSD to top) - but it now misses the text about the GSM hardware differences between GTA01 and GTA02, want me to put it back somewhere?
May 17 00:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> sure, sounds reasonable
May 17 01:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> rhkfin: thanks a lot for improving this wikipage :)
May 17 01:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> to me it looks a lot better now, and also it really needed some polishing
May 17 01:05:20 <rhkfin> DocScrutinizer: np :) I also shredded the OM2009 page.. I hope it makes it a bit more readable and possibly encourages some new users..
May 17 01:05:42 <DocScrutinizer> :)
May 17 01:15:41 <khiraly1> re
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