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May 18 06:34:34 <methril|work> good morning
May 18 06:46:08 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * ra880e1c5a1e6 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/ (sharing-helpers.c sharing.vapi): .
May 18 06:46:09 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r963969e1ad9c 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala sharing-helpers.c): 1.) Add sharing-helpers.c FIXME: Should use bindings to net/if.h instead. Just a temporary addition
May 18 06:46:10 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r88da292564af 10/fsonetworkd/src/plugins/sharing/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala sharing-helpers.c): fsonetworkd: working StartConnectionSharing
May 18 06:46:11 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r700c8d51d655 10/ (16 files in 7 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia
May 18 07:38:06 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 18 09:17:45 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4994 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Updated expanded schematics for broken-down CPU. Added LCM sub-sheet.
May 18 10:01:10 <pundiramit> hi which profiling tool can I use on NeoFreerunner? I'm currently using FSO image
May 18 11:40:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r7ab5c5fa2217 10/src/Makefile.am: 
May 18 11:40:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Use absolute SPECS_PATH variable
May 18 11:40:47 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 18 12:11:02 <Psi> is there a webpage that shows which, if any, current shr builds are usable?
May 18 12:18:05 <rhkfin> Psi: AFAIK many use the testing one. 
May 18 12:18:20 <Psi> i tried the testing one a few days ago
May 18 12:18:22 <Psi> didnt work
May 18 12:19:36 <Psi> might have something to do with the fact that the files are labeled as 2.6.28 but are infact 2.6.29
May 18 12:19:57 <Psi> note: im using gta01 builds
May 18 12:21:15 <vininim_> unstable is usable for gta02, that's all I know
May 18 12:21:47 <vininim_> as far as usability goes with shr, that is =D
May 18 12:22:13 <Psi> yeah, im trying gta01 unstable atm
May 18 12:22:44 <rhkfin> Psi: if you have time, try Om2009
May 18 12:22:55 <Psi> is there a gta01 build for it
May 18 12:23:03 <rhkfin> afaik, YES
May 18 12:23:32 <rhkfin> Battery charge dislpay doesn't work yet for GTA01 though
May 18 12:23:50 <Psi> yeah, ive noticed that with shr as well
May 18 12:23:54 <Psi> it never updates
May 18 12:24:05 <Psi> always says charging, even when unpluged
May 18 12:25:37 <Psi> also got to watch it, or it will discharge the battery down to 0 volts, very bad
May 18 12:25:58 <SpeedEvil> the battery cannot be dischatged down to 0
May 18 12:26:04 <Psi> gta01 can
May 18 12:26:06 <SpeedEvil> it's got interenal protecty stuff
May 18 12:26:07 <Psi> i measued it
May 18 12:26:25 <SpeedEvil> the battery may measure 0v, but the internal cell will be at 2.5v IIRC
May 18 12:26:54 <Psi> gta01 doesnt have the fancy coulomb counter
May 18 12:27:12 <SpeedEvil> not the coulomb counter
May 18 12:27:23 <SpeedEvil> there is protective circuitry internal to the battery
May 18 12:27:33 <Psi> hm..
May 18 12:27:41 <Psi> i hope so
May 18 12:29:18 <Psi> ive pondered adding an extra say 5mm to the back of my gta01 and adding a bigger battery. will have to investigate this as it might make that more tricky
May 18 12:29:47 <vininim_> what is this one pixel thing that everyone talks about but I can't see
May 18 12:30:55 <SpeedEvil> Psi: I've used mine duct-taped to a car battery
May 18 12:31:02 <Psi> lol
May 18 12:31:06 <SpeedEvil> Psi: though admittedly, that was for GPS logging.
May 18 12:31:10 <Psi> heh
May 18 12:31:52 <Psi> i reckon i need 3x the capacity to turn my gta01 batterylife into something good
May 18 12:32:02 <Blu3> wouldn't a solar panel ... weigh less? :>
May 18 12:32:02 <SpeedEvil> It would have run it for a couple of months
May 18 12:34:12 <Psi> do you know how much more we might expect in terms of battery life from gta01/02.  ie, how much, if any, of the software power savings is implemented so far?
May 18 12:34:26 <SpeedEvil> lots
May 18 12:34:35 <SpeedEvil> the clock slowdown stuff isn't touched
May 18 12:35:16 <vininim_> wasn't messing with the clock what gave noisy/white screen death?
May 18 12:35:21 <Psi> hm..
May 18 12:35:31 <Psi> clock slowdown isnt going to help suspend time
May 18 12:41:13 <ruoso> Hi... I just found my neo1973 that was lost... it isn't much usefull as a phone, because the battery dies to early... but it might be usefull as a PDA.. I wonder if there is any report of one of the Debian-based distros working on the gta01
May 18 12:41:16 <max_posedon> Did somebody have success with 16GB MicroSD/TransFlash SDHC Class4 card?
May 18 12:41:33 <Psi> ruoso: how quickly does your battery die?
May 18 12:41:46 <ruoso> when used as a phone, less than 4 hours
May 18 12:41:50 <ruoso> because it can't sleep
May 18 12:42:01 <ruoso> when you suspend, the gsm stops working
May 18 12:42:02 <Psi> ruoso: why cant it sleep, my gta01 can sleep fine 
May 18 12:42:12 <Psi> thats ood
May 18 12:42:14 <Psi> *odd
May 18 12:42:26 <Psi> mine will wake up from sleep fine when a call comes
May 18 12:42:27 <ruoso> maybe it's a software bug
May 18 12:42:35 <Psi> what distro are you running?
May 18 12:42:43 <ruoso> I'm running a very old version... 
May 18 12:42:48 <ruoso> at least 1,5 years old
May 18 12:42:52 <Psi> lol
May 18 12:43:07 <ruoso> it was lost in the boxes when I moved 
May 18 12:43:10 <Psi> there was a great version of SHR testing that i was using as my main phone
May 18 12:43:11 <ruoso> I just found it
May 18 12:43:20 <Psi> but i lost the image and the new one doesnt work quite right
May 18 12:45:13 <pundiramit> can anyone suggest me any profiling tool for NeoFreerunner? I'm running an FSO build. 
May 18 12:46:24 <lindi-> pundiramit: profiling C programs?
May 18 12:46:43 <pundiramit> yes
May 18 12:46:55 <pundiramit> glib/gobject based programs
May 18 12:47:00 <lindi-> pundiramit: just gprof?
May 18 12:47:46 <pundiramit> thanks lindi- i will try that
May 18 12:47:46 <Psi> i was running the multimedia version of space quest 4 in dosbox on my Q6600 and the task manager was reporting 0% cpu while playing. This is a good sign for it being playable on the neo
May 18 12:47:56 <Psi> assuming i can get dosbox to run
May 18 12:52:15 <Psi> hm.. how can this version understand ext3 but not ext2
May 18 12:53:23 <SpeedEvil> q6600 is x86 tho isn't it?
May 18 12:53:33 <Psi> ya
May 18 12:54:12 <SpeedEvil> the instruction translation won't help then
May 18 12:54:28 <Psi> its already emulating
May 18 12:54:49 <SpeedEvil> yes - but not emulating the CPU
May 18 12:54:55 <Blu3> what's the mdbus line to tell the !$% vibrator to _stop_ ?
May 18 12:55:03 <Psi> hm..
May 18 12:55:05 <SpeedEvil> Though GTA03 should help with this - it's got a pentium pro in.
May 18 12:55:05 <Psi> you have a point
May 18 12:55:11 <Psi> haha
May 18 13:06:53 <mickeyl> Blu3: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/neo1973_vibrator org.freesmartph
May 18 13:06:53 <mickeyl> one.Device.LED.SetBrightness 0
May 18 13:07:04 <Blu3> thank you
May 18 13:07:39 <Blu3> apparently frameworkd crashed and left the call, ringtone, and vibrator hanging in thin air
May 18 13:07:49 <Blu3> i didn't have time to solve it, had to reboot
May 18 13:22:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd939c48142d9 10/framework/patterns/dbuscache.py: dbuscache: commit missing hunk
May 18 14:16:36 <badcloud> has anyone else had masquerading trouble after using wifi in shr?
May 18 14:16:59 <badcloud> (after turning wifi off)
May 18 14:17:26 <badcloud> even restarted /etc/init.d/networking on the fr
May 18 14:17:51 <badcloud> no problems with ssh, but no dice with internet access via usb
May 18 14:26:49 <dos1> badcloud: check default route
May 18 14:48:40 <PBeck> ahoi
May 18 15:25:08 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfdbfa5de7e4d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/ (device.py modems/abstract/unsolicited.py): ogsmd: add signal org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.KeypadEvent( s, b )
May 18 15:25:09 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r107dbb20547d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: [FREESCALE NEPTUNE] honor custom +EKEV URC and send org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.KeypadEvent()
May 18 15:30:44 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9ff2e7c54a61 10/org.freesmartphone.GSM/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device: document KeypadEvent signal
May 18 16:10:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r75d25e8af37e 10/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): 
May 18 16:10:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Fix missing GLib dependency
May 18 16:10:19 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr>
May 18 16:33:50 <Wonka> hrmf.
May 18 16:34:07 <Wonka> which debian package has python module e_dbus been in?
May 18 16:34:11 <Wonka> and where is it now?
May 18 16:46:38 <lindi-> Wonka: apt-file search e_dbus?
May 18 16:48:52 <Wonka> lindi-: no results.
May 18 19:01:12 <jonkristian> Anyone running debian on the fr that can tell me if i should create a swap partition, use a file, or nothing at all?
May 18 19:04:16 <thrashold> jonkristian: I have a swap file. I don't think there's much performance difference between a swap file and swap partition. I would say you should create one, the memory isn't enough to fit all the applications. 
May 18 19:05:57 <thrashold> And for the size, mine's 256, but if you ever need more than 64, it won't help you much anyway.
May 18 19:34:30 <slaxxer> i have debian    no0swap   an im getting some issues
May 18 19:35:06 <slaxxer> sucking battery dry,nand is full   ,
May 18 19:41:50 <jonkristian> slaxxer: the tuts are all talking about a swap partition and reffering to ML posts, but the ML posts are all regarding swap files.
May 18 19:42:11 <jonkristian> slaxxer: btw, how did you install debian? I am doing it manually, since the script failed from shr.
May 18 19:43:13 <slaxxer> neovento
May 18 19:43:18 <jonkristian> doing the, "Build your own armel filesystem" http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian
May 18 19:43:20 <jonkristian> ah
May 18 19:43:47 <slaxxer> im not a developer
May 18 19:45:05 <jonkristian> me neither
May 18 19:48:47 * SpeedEvil is not a number.
May 18 19:49:25 <jonkristian> man, fr connection is flakey
May 18 19:50:12 <jonkristian> SpeedEvil: ofcourse it is
May 18 19:52:24 <badcloud> could someone pastebin their host pc and FR's 'route's
May 18 19:52:24 <badcloud> ?
May 18 19:52:40 <badcloud> I can ssh but can't get internet via usb anymore
May 18 19:52:59 <SpeedEvil> route may not be the whole enchilada.
May 18 19:53:10 <badcloud> hmmm
May 18 19:53:22 <SpeedEvil> you need - on the FR - route add default gw my.desktop.addr
May 18 19:53:39 <SpeedEvil> and then you need to setup iptables or whatever to forward or NAT
May 18 19:56:05 <badcloud> FR: http://pastebin.com/m66909fcc
May 18 19:56:07 <cpufreak2589> I screwed up, and my freerunner's battery has ceased to live. The batteries on the openmoko store come fully charges, right?
May 18 19:56:19 <cpufreak2589> charged*
May 18 19:56:31 <mwester> I don't think so.
May 18 19:56:52 <SpeedEvil> but they won't be much below full charge
May 18 19:56:54 <mwester> Like most Li bats, I suspect they are kept in stock at 30% charge  or so.
May 18 19:56:56 <badcloud> SpeedEvil, does that look ok?
May 18 19:57:02 <cpufreak2589> Fantastic, thanks!
May 18 19:57:50 <SpeedEvil> badcloud: 200 is your desktop?
May 18 19:58:05 <SpeedEvil> badcloud: you then need to ensure IP forwarding is turned on on the host system
May 18 19:58:17 <SpeedEvil> badcloud: and the appropriate iptables stuff is done
May 18 19:58:26 <SpeedEvil> (or ipchains, or 2.4 kernel)
May 18 19:58:41 <badcloud> yeah
May 18 19:59:10 <badcloud> (192.168.0.200)
May 18 19:59:20 <badcloud> but how do I check if it's enabled?
May 18 19:59:53 <SpeedEvil> there is the wiki howto on how to setup iptables
May 18 19:59:56 <SpeedEvil> iptables -L
May 18 20:00:00 <SpeedEvil> will list current rules
May 18 20:00:22 <badcloud> empty
May 18 20:00:56 <SpeedEvil> If you haven't got aternate setup - ipchains/...
May 18 20:01:19 <SpeedEvil> then even if you've done the ipforward thing, it'll just drop packets from the FR on the floor
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4995 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.brd: 
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: Added first version of the board outline, straight from Openmoko's
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: original. Open issues:
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: - gerbview didn't translate the arcs, so they need a bit more work
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko: - orientation: do we want to look at it from the top or from the
May 18 20:01:51 <CIA-53> openmoko:  bottom, portrait or landscape ?
May 18 20:07:54 <jonkristian> the fr keeps timing out when im trying to wget/download stuff to it, any ideas?
May 18 20:08:18 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: try pinging your gateway first
May 18 20:08:19 <jonkristian> connected via usb cable to my laptop
May 18 20:08:27 <jonkristian> which is using wlan
May 18 20:12:54 <schannall> ping openmoko.org works or fails also?
May 18 20:13:52 <schannall> @jonkristian
May 18 20:14:12 <jonkristian> i can fetch stuff, but they timeout
May 18 20:14:20 <jonkristian> almost immediately
May 18 20:14:55 <schannall> so you can ping and also start downloading stuff but it wont finish>
May 18 20:15:37 <jonkristian> yeah
May 18 20:16:04 <schannall> interesting - your notebook can download those things i suppose?
May 18 20:16:36 <jonkristian> yeah, no problem
May 18 20:16:41 <jonkristian> that's what's strange
May 18 20:17:13 <jonkristian> at first i thought it could be the server im downloading from, but it fetches fine into my lappy
May 18 20:18:24 <schannall> thats weird
May 18 20:19:42 <schannall> what distribution do you use btw?
May 18 20:19:43 <jonkristian> try and wget a file to the fr, and do the same to the host computer
May 18 20:19:47 <jonkristian> archlinux
May 18 20:20:05 <schannall> on the fr?
May 18 20:20:24 <jonkristian> ah, im on shr
May 18 20:20:36 <schannall> up-to=date?
May 18 20:20:45 <schannall> and can you scp files to the neo
May 18 20:20:57 <jonkristian> yeah, that works fine
May 18 20:21:27 <schannall> how do you configure youre network bridge from the host to the neo?
May 18 20:22:22 <czaks> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -o wlan0
May 18 20:22:31 <czaks> or whichever interface you get internets from
May 18 20:22:52 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: do you by any chance have PPP later to connect to the internet?
May 18 20:23:24 <jonkristian> http://rafb.net/p/vIoXRs79.html
May 18 20:23:38 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: my stupid ISP has problems with icmp messages and therefore if i'm behind a router via a link with MTU=1500 i'm having weird problems.
May 18 20:23:50 <jonkristian> maybe something is interferring in the shr
May 18 20:23:51 <badcloud> I'm in a similar situation as jonkristian
May 18 20:23:54 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: interesting
May 18 20:24:02 <badcloud> can ssh, but no internet access from the fr
May 18 20:24:59 <schannall> well im off then - i belive there are some people who are more competent than me here - night
May 18 20:25:10 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: not that interesting :-/ And it seems common enough as most soho "routers" have --clamp-mss-to-pmtu by default.
May 18 20:25:26 <jonkristian> im on a crappy speedtouch
May 18 20:25:59 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: can i/should i change mtu settings somehow/where, not entirely sure what it does.
May 18 20:26:18 <jonkristian> im quite familiar with it's telnet interface though
May 18 20:26:59 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: for a first try you can just do --clamp-mss-to-pmtu (read iptables man for a full command) on your laptop (i assume you're connecting your FR through laptop to the internet).
May 18 20:27:08 <jonkristian> yeah
May 18 20:27:51 <mwester> PaulFertser,  while hopelessly WRONG, I've learned that it's best to just set your MTU at 1492 if you want to talk to anything other than yourself...  :(
May 18 20:28:01 <jonkristian> also, i can't do wlan with the fr on that router, it's impossible, i've tried thousands of times, also on other locations with the same routermodem, sounds familiar somehow? 
May 18 20:28:35 <jonkristian> it can connect and ping the router, but nothing else, it's regarded as disconnected in the router settings.
May 18 20:28:36 <PaulFertser> mwester: I still hope that i'll convince my ISP to fix their routers to properly send ICMP frag needed but DF set :( 
May 18 20:29:06 <mwester> :( good luck.
May 18 20:29:43 <jonkristian> convince and ISP in the same sentence, i'd have to say the same:/
May 18 20:30:04 <mwester> I found a major flaw in my ISP's RF link-level gear; after many months of arguing, right up to the president of the company, they basically told me to deal with it, or find another ISP.
May 18 20:30:19 <mwester> I have another ISP, now.  :)
May 18 20:30:31 <jonkristian> :D
May 18 20:31:32 <badcloud> so this is a global thing???
May 18 20:36:22 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: i know some guy who's an IT boss in a big company and his boss knows personally boss of my ISP so it might work ;)
May 18 20:37:57 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: That's pretty nifty:)
May 18 20:38:10 <PaulFertser> mwester: yeah, i remember you told that scary story about bit mangling.
May 18 20:39:34 <jonkristian> I've had my share of trouble:/
May 18 20:47:58 <Quinn_Storm> ames
May 18 20:47:59 <Quinn_Storm> oops
May 18 20:48:14 <Quinn_Storm> hey again everyone
May 18 21:09:22 <Marcello9001> buona sera :-)
May 18 21:14:48 <Psi> is there any way to rotate the screen in shr on gta01?
May 18 21:50:07 <wurp2|gone> Psi: xrandr -o 1
May 18 21:50:26 <wurp2|working> Or 2, 3, 4
May 18 21:50:28 <max_posedon> funny, shr unstable always wants supend before poweroff/reboot
May 18 22:16:53 <[Rui]> hi
May 18 22:17:17 <[Rui]> I've upgraded to SHR-unstable and now usb0 is never recognized, can anyone help me, please?
May 18 22:17:51 <[Rui]> hms... settings also claim "dbus is borked" for wifi
May 18 22:18:01 <[Rui]> not a good sign, I guess I'll just flash it again :(
May 18 22:18:38 <Psi> wurp2|working: that doesnt work on gta01
May 18 22:19:24 <Psi> i assume it talks to glamo
May 18 22:22:42 <czaks> hi
May 18 22:23:01 <czaks> do you know any issues in the newest qt extended improved
May 18 22:23:02 <czaks> ?
May 18 22:23:38 <czaks> i've installed it an hour ago and it works great
May 18 22:24:19 <czaks> besides the small keyboard and terminal with bad font
May 18 22:25:29 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: usb is not recognized?
May 18 22:25:40 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: where, on host or on freerunner itself?
May 18 22:25:42 <[Rui]> not after the opkg update & upgrade
May 18 22:25:48 <[Rui]> on host
May 18 22:26:07 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: I'm downloading a may 9th shr unstable image
May 18 22:26:10 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: there shouldn't be any usb0 on host
May 18 22:26:44 <czaks> PaulFertser, it depends on the udev
May 18 22:26:47 <max_posedon> [Rui], try eth1
May 18 22:26:58 <czaks> once it's called eth?, once usb?
May 18 22:27:02 <[Rui]> huh? that's news
May 18 22:27:02 <jonkristian> Doesn't Qi try the sd card on boot before flash mem?
May 18 22:27:06 <[Rui]> it's usb0 guys
May 18 22:27:22 <max_posedon> try!)
May 18 22:27:42 <jonkristian> [Rui], that depends
May 18 22:27:52 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: by default when freerunner is properly configured modern desktop distros will assign ethX to the usb interface.
May 18 22:28:22 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: i wonder why you haven't seen my ranting on neovento guys that they don't know it ;)
May 18 22:28:36 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: do you consider hardy, intrepid and jaunty modern? :) they all _always_ gave usb0
May 18 22:28:48 <czaks> on my system (Fedora 11) the name is not constant
May 18 22:28:59 <max_posedon> [Rui], it is changes because of update in shr
May 18 22:28:59 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: _gave_ is what important here
May 18 22:29:21 <max_posedon> dmesg | grep eth1 will prove you
May 18 22:29:30 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: modern SHR fixed this issue and now mac address of freerunner is consistent.
May 18 22:29:54 <[Rui]> max_posedon: riiiiight
May 18 22:29:56 <[Rui]> rms@roque:~/moko/IMAGES/SHR-unstable$ dmesg | grep eth1
May 18 22:29:56 <[Rui]> rms@roque:~/moko/IMAGES/SHR-unstable$ 
May 18 22:30:31 <max_posedon> reattach neo and post dmesg plz (latest 20 lines)
May 18 22:31:27 <[Rui]> max_posedon: there's lots of errors but in 20 minutes I should have a newly flashed unstable image
May 18 22:31:44 <max_posedon> btw, today I got 16Gb SanDisk or Transcent(I'm not sure even) microSD card, it works on FR
May 18 22:31:44 <czaks> ok, good night everyone :p
May 18 22:31:55 <max_posedon> how can I test/checkout all info?
May 18 22:32:00 <[Rui]> czaks: good night
May 18 22:32:15 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, have you any idears, because dmesg just says
May 18 22:32:26 <max_posedon> mmc0:8fe4 SU16G
May 18 22:32:26 <[Rui]> kernel flashed, now for the rootfs
May 18 22:33:12 <[Rui]> anyway, it was giving usb0 on early may's shr-testing image.
May 18 22:33:16 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: there's some testing mode in sd linux layer and it at least works with sdhci...
May 18 22:33:30 <[Rui]> which was what I was using until I foolishly decided to do an upgrade
May 18 22:33:36 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: man, early may's shr-testing image was wrong, not fixed.
May 18 22:34:29 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: this one? openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
May 18 22:34:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r4996 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): correct those pintypes I inadvertantly inverted.
May 18 22:34:38 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: what's wrong with it? it was working ok...
May 18 22:35:25 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-April/005384.html
May 18 22:36:16 <jonkristian> hm, any special steps needed to boot ext2 partition on sdcard with Qi ?
May 18 22:36:29 <PaulFertser> jonkristian: just reading the wiki
May 18 22:36:31 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, sorry, don't get your point. 
May 18 22:36:50 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: do you want to test how your card works in FR?
May 18 22:36:51 <jonkristian> PaulFertser: Yeah, me too
May 18 22:37:11 <jonkristian> as far as i understand, it should try sdcard first
May 18 22:37:14 <[Rui]> hms... thanks PaulFertser 
May 18 22:37:23 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, no and yes, I already see that it works.
May 18 22:37:39 <max_posedon> I want find out card model/info , to add it to wiki
May 18 22:38:36 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: Hm, read what's written on the card itself i guess.
May 18 22:39:30 <max_posedon> SanDisk 16G no more info avaible
May 18 22:40:15 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: :-/ I think any good sd card should work, so no point in listing all the cards in wiki. If some card doesn't work, then it's a bug that must be fixed.
May 18 22:42:04 <max_posedon> even should be ready to boot kernel from it?
May 18 22:42:17 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: any sd should work.
May 18 22:42:31 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: if it doesn't, bootloader should be tweaked to make it work.
May 18 22:42:55 <max_posedon> because as I know some people can't boot kernels from some microsd
May 18 22:43:55 <PaulFertser> max_posedon: with Qi?
May 18 22:44:05 <max_posedon> don't surew
May 18 22:48:38 <DocScrutinizer> arrrrg, got a 16G uSD with bad blocks/IO-errors all over the place
May 18 22:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> under FR as well as desktop
May 18 22:51:49 <[Rui]> ok, booting with the "new" unstable image
May 18 22:52:54 <max_posedon> I hope my uSD will not died so soon...
May 18 22:56:53 <SpeedEvil> doc not swapping to it I assume?
May 18 22:57:29 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: well, no usb0 nor eth1
May 18 22:57:51 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: check your host's dmesg right after plugging in your FR
May 18 22:58:03 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: I know how to use dmesg. nothing
May 18 22:58:11 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: there's a reference to usb0 but no usb0 device
May 18 22:58:43 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: Pastebin it (all messages output after plugging in) please.
May 18 22:59:31 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: [12269.569074] hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?
May 18 22:59:39 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: it's just one line, repeating
May 18 22:59:53 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: something is bad, yes. And it doesn't seem that it's distro-dependent.
May 18 23:00:11 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: try without hub/in another port/with another cable
May 18 23:00:14 <[Rui]> since it was fine until opkg upgrade and now the flashing, I can't place the blame on the cable
May 18 23:00:41 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: it was fine until half an hour ago, or so, before upgrading
May 18 23:00:58 <[Rui]> I'm willing to bet that if I wast 20 more minutes flashing the testing image it'll work again
May 18 23:01:17 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: please read your host's dmesg more carefully...
May 18 23:01:43 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: probably you're right but imho you fail to prove it ;)
May 18 23:02:04 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: you're really taunting me to waste 20 minutes of my life better spent going to bed just to prove you wrong
May 18 23:02:16 <jonkristian> Anyone know of any good kernel images for debian? I tried the hackable one but it didn't want to load usb modules and thus i can't ssh.
May 18 23:02:33 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: keep it in mind, as I prefer to go to bed and prove it tomorrow.
May 18 23:02:37 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: if i were you i'd read hosts dmesg to try to understand what's going on.
May 18 23:02:48 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: instead of switching distros to prove something.
May 18 23:02:52 <[Rui]> at least it looks like it's charging, because after the upgrade it didn't
May 18 23:02:57 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: there's only that line
May 18 23:03:07 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: I did a dmesg -c before plugging it again
May 18 23:03:18 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: After you plug the device you see only that line? Extremely weird.
May 18 23:03:23 <[Rui]> ah and now another appears
May 18 23:03:24 <[Rui]> [12278.908101] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
May 18 23:03:39 <jonkristian> hoh, that's a good one
May 18 23:03:40 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: which is why this doesn't look normal
May 18 23:03:54 <max_posedon> I had 3 usb cables, and have [Rui] exactly your problem
May 18 23:03:56 <jonkristian> [Rui]: i'd try another cable, even another port.
May 18 23:04:19 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: BTW, have you rebooted at least once?
May 18 23:04:20 <max_posedon> are you sure that you use exactly that cable, which you bought with FR?
May 18 23:04:23 <[Rui]> jonkristian: it was working until about half an hour ago when I had shr-testing
May 18 23:04:29 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: first boot of SHR is not fully-functional.
May 18 23:04:46 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: hms... ok, this is the fitst boot, I forgot about that issue
May 18 23:04:47 <max_posedon> PaulFertser, If I'm right, e.g. he has same problematic cable, it won't helps...
May 18 23:04:51 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: looks like you simply don't have g_ether loaded.
May 18 23:04:59 <jonkristian> [Rui]: so you try to ssh to the fr inside shr, are you sure usb0 is up on the device?
May 18 23:05:06 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: if you do "depmod -a" and modprobe g_ether you'll have usb again.
May 18 23:05:23 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: either that or reboot.
May 18 23:06:25 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: and modprobe g_ether will probably work slightly different if you do it manually, you might have usb0 again on your host instead of the correct ethX.
May 18 23:06:34 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: so i'd suggest to reboot.
May 18 23:06:38 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: I'm trying a reboot
May 18 23:06:43 <[Rui]> it's almost up agin
May 18 23:06:45 <[Rui]> again
May 18 23:06:57 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: I can't understand that issue, really...
May 18 23:07:05 <[Rui]> really not gnu/linuxy at all
May 18 23:07:22 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: no modules on first boot? Some OE-specific artifact.
May 18 23:07:54 <[Rui]> ok, same shit
May 18 23:08:14 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: please check lsmod output on the device
May 18 23:08:33 <[Rui]> loading g_ether on the laptop gave me an usb0 again
May 18 23:08:59 <[Rui]> but no IP on the device
May 18 23:09:16 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: you're not supposed to load g_ether on laptop, it's cdc_ether on the host side.
May 18 23:10:16 <[Rui]> on the device usb0 is up, with an IP but I can't ping it
May 18 23:10:30 <[Rui]> PaulFertser: well, I only had usb0 after loading g_ether
May 18 23:11:36 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: if the device can't be enumerated it doesn't matter what unrelated modules you're loading on your laptop.
May 18 23:12:17 <SpeedEvil> unless it's a USB host controller
May 18 23:12:24 <SpeedEvil> but, prolly not
May 18 23:13:24 <[Rui]_> "/#%/#"
May 18 23:13:38 <[Rui]_> modprobe -r g_ether on the laptop FROZE IT!
May 18 23:14:02 <[Rui]_> but after a reboot it now recognizes an eth2
May 18 23:14:03 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: you shouldn't have loaded on your laptop, told you that.
May 18 23:16:15 <[Rui]_> PaulFertser: no module should freeze the computer
May 18 23:16:48 <max_posedon> no rm should kill computer!)
May 18 23:16:50 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: sure
May 18 23:17:19 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: am i right in assuming you solved the problems with connecting to shr-unstable over cdc_ether usb link?
May 18 23:17:45 <[Rui]_> PaulFertser: yeah, thanks. and it wasn't a cable problem :)
May 18 23:18:03 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: the unable to enumerate string was a give-away
May 18 23:19:30 * [Rui]_ sighs... not to me unfortunately. the changes to the way it works must've confused the laptop's system
May 18 23:19:46 <[Rui]_> probably in part due to jaunty's "cheating" for faster booting
May 18 23:20:01 <[Rui]_> at least the phonelog now works!
May 18 23:21:03 <[Rui]_> PaulFertser: thank you very much!
May 18 23:21:13 <PaulFertser> [Rui]: you're welcome :)
May 18 23:21:22 * [Rui]_ now goes to bed before bad things happen (from wifey) :)
May 18 23:21:29 <[Rui]_> ~~~~~
May 18 23:21:31 <apt> grrrr
May 18 23:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> apt: shut up!
May 18 23:52:37 <apt> get lost, jerkoff
May 18 23:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~die!
May 18 23:52:52 <apt> !lart docscrutinizer
May 18 23:52:52 * cdbot2 cats /dev/urandom into docscrutinizer's ear
May 18 23:53:09 <PaulFertser> Wow, apt got violent.
May 18 23:53:27 <DocScrutinizer> looool, that's what I get from FR all the time
May 18 23:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> actually I don't even need any /dev/random for that ;-DD
May 18 23:55:07 <PaulFertser> ROFL
May 18 23:55:38 <DocScrutinizer> cdbot2: you're lame
May 18 23:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> apt: get some better slaves!
May 18 23:56:16 * apt fetches some better slaves!
May 18 23:56:42 <PaulFertser> !lart apt
May 18 23:56:43 * cdbot2 chops apt in half with a free AOL CD
May 18 23:56:54 <PaulFertser> ~lart cdbot2
May 18 23:56:55 * apt accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets cdbot2 feel it
May 18 23:56:56 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
May 18 23:57:06 <PaulFertser> !lart apt
May 18 23:57:08 <PaulFertser> ~lart cdbot2
May 18 23:57:08 * cdbot2 resizes apt's terminal to 40x24
May 18 23:57:08 * apt moos at cdbot2
May 18 23:57:37 <DocScrutinizer> stupid bots
May 19 00:04:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~who's ELIZA?
May 19 00:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> tha, not even knows his ancestors
May 19 00:16:11 <slaxxer> since i have 2 ethernet cards   mine is eth2   
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