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May 19 04:53:58 <slaxxer> ernels/versatile/*:  Upgraded to Linux 2.6.30rc6 for the ARM Versatile
May 19 04:53:59 <slaxxer>   platform.
May 19 04:54:30 <slaxxer> ftp://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/armedslack/armedslack-current/
May 19 07:01:04 <mirko-paroli> good morning channel
May 19 07:02:55 <rhkfin> good channel
May 19 07:03:19 <mirko-paroli> both OM channels ae still very quiet
May 19 07:03:46 <mirko-paroli> i got my energy back, yay, can'T wait to dive back into paroli
May 19 07:03:50 <rhkfin> So is the mailing list (it might be my ISP having still problems with their mail servers..)
May 19 07:03:57 <mirko-paroli> but coffee comes first
May 19 07:07:17 <rhkfin> mirko-paroli: just heard from the news that some 40% of young Finns on their summer holiday wake up in the afternoon..
May 19 07:07:30 <mirko-paroli> ha
May 19 07:07:50 <mirko-paroli> well I just match my working rythm to the people I work with
May 19 07:07:59 <mirko-paroli> which are in europe and canada
May 19 07:08:06 <rhkfin> right
May 19 07:12:23 <mirko-paroli> ok and I like working nights
May 19 07:13:51 <rhkfin> It's quiet -> better concentration. I've noticed the same but there's then this problem having to try to stay awake during the nights..
May 19 07:14:07 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 19 07:14:17 <mirko-paroli> hi
May 19 07:21:19 <mirko-paroli> rhkfin: we should get Laibsch to give us an example of a correct .desktop file
May 19 07:21:35 <rhkfin> -> #paroli... he's there..
May 19 07:22:27 <mirko-paroli> ah
May 19 07:22:29 <mirko-paroli> done
May 19 07:22:30 <mirko-paroli> :)
May 19 07:23:09 <mirko-paroli> k second coffee and then back to ring-tones
May 19 07:27:04 <mirko-paroli> hej Hopscotch what are you spending your time on when on the Moko ?
May 19 07:37:07 <kgoetz> would be nice if there was a link to go with the news flash
May 19 07:40:48 <kgoetz> thanks :)
May 19 07:41:07 <mirko-paroli> kgoetz: no prob
May 19 08:04:42 <rhkfin> Hey people, what do you think is this the message we're giving out as a community: "I have always been intrigued by the prospect of a truly open phone but am under the impression that the whole project is only for the elite programmers. I would love to be involved but from all the news and blogs I read, it seems to be only for
May 19 08:04:48 <rhkfin>  talented Linux users. Am I right? I hae a question which I hope you would be able to help me with (I'm sure many others might also be curious): What is thoe minimum requirements for a person to be 'useful' to Openmoko? What do we need at the barest minimum (e.g. basic programming skills in C++/Unix?)?
May 19 08:05:34 <mirko-paroli> rhkfin: btw ever heard of FSCONS ?
May 19 08:06:42 <max_posedon> rhkfin, not very high, if person just want help and ready spend his time - it is fine.
May 19 08:06:51 <rhkfin> mirko-paroli: I just did a while ago
May 19 08:07:42 <rhkfin> mirko-paroli: hmm,, actually no, I thoughty you meant SHRFSOASJKFJASDLKWREIEW. But I've heard od FSCONs too
May 19 08:08:15 <rhkfin> mirko-paroli: will you be there?
May 19 08:08:33 <mirko-paroli> rhkfin: probably not, but I orged it last year and know the guy who does it this year
May 19 08:10:06 <rhkfin> mirko-paroli: oh, cool
May 19 08:13:01 <mirko-paroli> yeah, just figured you might be interested seen that it is not that far ... well by nordic standards ;)
May 19 08:13:32 <rhkfin> heh :)
May 19 08:23:07 <KaZeR_mobi> hello again. 
May 19 08:23:31 <KaZeR_mobi> my messages application crashes under shr (can't read sms since yesterday). anyone interested in some debug output before i flash? (i'm running shr-unstable from 20090509 + updates)
May 19 08:23:57 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale, around?
May 19 08:36:14 <Ainulindale> yes
May 19 08:43:13 <KaZeR_mobi> ok, hi. interested in some debugging before i flash?
May 19 08:44:25 <Ainulindale> Well did you just upgrade?
May 19 08:44:28 <Ainulindale> If so, please reboot
May 19 08:44:33 <Ainulindale> Or restart ophonekitd
May 19 08:44:38 <Ainulindale> (rebooting is easier to explain)
May 19 08:44:50 <Ainulindale> As we included the new feature for contact cache...
May 19 08:45:03 <rhkfin> Is it possible to lock package versions in opkg - prevent from updating?
May 19 08:47:32 <KaZeR_mobi> i had the problem before upgrading yesterday. rebooting doesn't solve the issue, and gprs works 
May 19 08:48:30 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: any tip about how to check if it's because of the contact cache?
May 19 08:49:09 <Ainulindale> right now, I'm waking up, so no :-)
May 19 08:49:39 <KaZeR_mobi> hehe :)
May 19 08:51:20 <KaZeR_mobi> would debug output be useful at all, or should i flash and report next time if it happens again?
May 19 08:51:44 <Ainulindale> it would be useful
May 19 08:51:56 <Ainulindale> if it happens, just open a ticket, describe your problem then attach your log
May 19 08:52:03 <Ainulindale> and if nobody answers, ping me :-)
May 19 08:52:39 <KaZeR_mobi> ok. my question is what should i attach? strace of openmoko-messages? what else?
May 19 08:52:51 <Ainulindale> nah strace is far too much
May 19 08:53:05 <Ainulindale> for a first report just give us ophonekitd.log, frameworkd.log and the log of the softawre failing
May 19 08:53:10 <Ainulindale> it'll be more than enough
May 19 08:53:56 <KaZeR_mobi> ok thanks, i'm opening the ticket right now
May 19 08:54:01 <Ainulindale> Good :-)
May 19 08:55:54 <KaZeR_mobi> ** (process:1724): DEBUG: creating contact_cache : how long is that supposed to be?
May 19 08:58:11 <methril|work> good morning
May 19 08:58:30 <KaZeR_mobi> hi methril|work 
May 19 08:58:44 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: doesn't seem related to cache :
May 19 08:58:54 <KaZeR_mobi> ** (process:1724): DEBUG: ogsmd_sim_retrieve_messagebook_callback() ** (process:1724): DEBUG: retrieve messagebook callback(error=1182832)
May 19 08:59:24 <Ainulindale> KaZeR_mobi: maybe a bad PDU
May 19 08:59:30 <Ainulindale> With frameworkd.log we'll be able to see
May 19 09:00:02 <KaZeR_mobi> ok
May 19 09:12:27 <alphaone> Ainulindale: There are no bad PDUs :-)
May 19 09:12:33 <alphaone> sms subsystem is perfect :-)
May 19 09:12:59 <Ainulindale> heh :-)
May 19 09:14:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r1af60095af0f 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply: add Status enums for 'ac' and 'unknown'
May 19 09:14:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r653004470685 10/xml/ (8 files): regenerate xml
May 19 09:30:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3ec65615d74d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
May 19 09:30:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.PowerSupply: add two more enums for PowerSupply Status: 'online', 'offline'
May 19 09:30:43 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: These ones refer to AC and USB adapters
May 19 09:40:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r2d0fc5ca679a 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply: more status enums
May 19 09:54:31 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/464 : there is a big ogsmd.channel  ERROR. the weird part is that it occurs around 2 minutes before the actual crash
May 19 10:30:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rc33b6c4f55e5 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.RealtimeClock: document the errors we throw
May 19 10:34:44 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * re3a591202806 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: Backend manager: init backends paralelly on opimd startup
May 19 10:34:45 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5aca5db24960 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: load entries automatically after SIM goes ready
May 19 10:40:20 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8ef166134586 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): document org.freesmartphone.Device.Info interface
May 19 11:02:53 <skamster> hello all.. i had a question about pygtk, for developing on the moko.. think, the gtk-chat is sleeping :p
May 19 11:03:33 <skamster> i had a cellrendertext, and i want to execute something, if this is activated
May 19 11:03:59 <skamster> so i use cell.activate(method())
May 19 11:04:05 <skamster> but it doesn't work
May 19 11:04:47 <skamster> if i make a method without arguments, it said, it require a widget as argument
May 19 11:05:29 <skamster> if i make a button-like-method (self, widget, data=None), it said, i must use at least 2 arguments
May 19 11:05:40 <skamster> could someone help me?
May 19 11:11:33 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rfbca3fdbcc5d 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.Input: add GetId() -> s and GetCapabilities() -> s
May 19 11:17:26 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r42b66b1ce841 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: strip interface declarations from this library.
May 19 11:17:27 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1d46476fe917 10/fsodeviced/ (13 files in 7 dirs): fsodevice: convert to libfso-glib
May 19 11:34:03 <badcloud> how many lines do you guys have on your FR's 'route'?
May 19 11:34:12 <badcloud> I'm missing 'default, etc.'
May 19 11:34:35 <badcloud> I'm still struggling with getting maquerading to work again
May 19 11:34:52 <max_posedon> route usually arrives when you "attach" some internet connections
May 19 11:36:00 <rhkfin> -> usually one..?
May 19 11:36:31 <badcloud> I'm getting 'bad address' on the fr
May 19 11:36:34 <badcloud> arrrrg
May 19 11:38:35 <badcloud> (when I try to ping google.com)
May 19 11:41:26 <max_posedon> I can
May 19 11:41:27 <max_posedon> '
May 19 11:41:42 <max_posedon> t say anything before you say how you trying connect to google
May 19 11:41:51 <max_posedon> usb/wifi/gprs
May 19 11:42:00 <badcloud> usb
May 19 11:42:15 <badcloud> ubuntu 9 on host
May 19 11:42:21 <badcloud> worked before easily
May 19 11:43:24 <max_posedon> ping 4.2.2.2
May 19 11:43:45 <max_posedon> if works, just fix resolv.conf on neo 
May 19 11:46:39 <badcloud> 'network unreachable'
May 19 11:47:08 <max_posedon> so route -n from neo
May 19 11:47:24 <badcloud> root@om-gta02 ~ $ route -n
May 19 11:47:24 <badcloud> Kernel IP routing table
May 19 11:47:24 <badcloud> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
May 19 11:47:24 <badcloud> 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
May 19 11:48:47 <max_posedon> hm.. missing default gw is really strange, you could add it manually, what disto you use?
May 19 11:49:35 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rfc2ab6c9a5f7 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/ (3 files): org.freesmartphone.PIM: update specs
May 19 11:50:46 <badcloud> ubuntu
May 19 11:50:51 <badcloud> or on the phone? shr
May 19 11:51:45 <max_posedon> latest shr-ustable haven't this issue
May 19 11:51:53 <max_posedon> sorry, can't help more
May 19 11:53:48 <badcloud> testing
May 19 11:53:52 <badcloud> april 14
May 19 11:53:54 <badcloud> or 16
May 19 11:54:14 <badcloud> what should I add manually?
May 19 11:57:42 <max_posedon> route add default gw 192.168.0.202
May 19 11:57:46 <max_posedon> or smth like this
May 19 11:58:19 <badcloud> will it remain there after reboot?
May 19 11:58:52 <max_posedon> no
May 19 11:58:55 <badcloud> arrrg
May 19 11:59:12 <badcloud> how's the latest unstable?
May 19 11:59:50 <max_posedon> works for with latest todays update(night update didn't work)
May 19 12:00:02 <max_posedon> I can suggest -testing if you want avoid bugs
May 19 12:02:44 <badcloud> thanks
May 19 12:43:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rde66f6b14b97 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Messages_FSO: init automatically on SIM ready
May 19 12:52:17 <jonkristian> max_posedon: are there any large changes to shr unstable compared to testing?
May 19 12:53:03 <max_posedon> hm.. I see some opimd parts
May 19 12:53:16 <max_posedon> as for me, I'm prefer to be `on upstream`
May 19 12:53:38 <jonkristian> :)
May 19 12:54:28 <jonkristian> opimd?
May 19 12:54:49 <rhkfin> jonkristian: http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openmoko.org%2Fwiki%2FOpimd&ei=E6wSSrn8HteNjAfYir28BA&usg=AFQjCNHw0MV53uAj5sfPA12kxIqXBMv9DA&sig2=oCzUsaTp1ikVJ6PoT-xWTQ
May 19 12:54:53 <rhkfin> oooops..
May 19 12:54:57 <rhkfin> wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd
May 19 12:55:12 <jonkristian> ah
May 19 12:55:21 <rhkfin> -> it'll be cool!
May 19 12:55:33 <jonkristian> i hope so
May 19 12:55:51 <jonkristian> im pretty set on osmo, using it daily now.
May 19 12:56:09 <jonkristian> it's pretty darn sweet, and already a full featured pim suite.
May 19 12:56:36 <jonkristian> http://www.clayo.org/osmo/
May 19 12:58:25 <rhkfin> jonkristian: .opk packages around?
May 19 12:58:43 <jonkristian> rhkfin: actually, no:/ I don't think so.
May 19 12:58:52 <rhkfin> :(
May 19 12:59:22 <rhkfin> someone tell me how to remove files of a specific type (*.dat) from a dir structure?
May 19 12:59:30 <jonkristian> I am using it on my laptop for testing, i wanted to build debian last night to test, but didn't get the time.
May 19 12:59:47 <jonkristian> find ?
May 19 13:00:09 <rhkfin> and..?
May 19 13:00:15 <jonkristian> latest unstable is from may 15th?
May 19 13:01:49 <rhkfin> of what..?
May 19 13:01:52 <jonkristian> find /path/*.dat -exec rm {} \;
May 19 13:01:57 <jonkristian> or something like that
May 19 13:02:04 <jonkristian> rhkfin: of shr
May 19 13:02:32 <jonkristian> i think there's a delete flag too
May 19 13:02:36 <jonkristian> rather than using exec
May 19 13:02:41 <rhkfin> Don't know of shr. THis made it: find -name *.dat | xargs rm -- (I don't exactly know why it needs the -- there..)
May 19 13:03:15 <jonkristian> there are alot of ways to do it, if it workes, then great:)
May 19 13:03:33 <rhkfin> right :)
May 19 13:06:10 <SpeedEvil> rhkfin: arguments with -- beginning the
May 19 13:06:11 <SpeedEvil> m
May 19 13:06:29 <SpeedEvil> otherwise it'll be confused with --fish.dat
May 19 13:06:53 <rhkfin> Explain more..?
May 19 13:07:31 <SpeedEvil> err
May 19 13:07:34 <SpeedEvil> -fish.dat
May 19 13:07:45 <SpeedEvil> it will try to set rm's -f, -i, -s, ... options
May 19 13:08:03 <SpeedEvil> -- suppresses further scanning for '-' options
May 19 13:08:17 <rhkfin> ah, okay.. got it..
May 19 13:08:41 <SpeedEvil> the right way is to use find . -print0 |xargs -0 
May 19 13:09:01 <SpeedEvil> if you don't have control over the filesystem
May 19 13:09:26 <rhkfin> What's the -print0 and -0 ?
May 19 13:09:35 <SpeedEvil> otherwise files named 'fish\n/etc/inittab' cause problems
May 19 13:10:09 <SpeedEvil> it seperates the output of find with NUL chars, and splits it with xxargs
May 19 13:14:20 <rhkfin> okay.. cool
May 19 13:18:46 <KaZeR_mobi> hello again
May 19 13:19:08 <KaZeR_mobi> Ainulindale: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/464 : there is a big ogsmd.channel        ERROR 
May 19 13:19:37 <KaZeR_mobi> and i'm facing the same issue with a freshly flashed unstable, so it rather seem to be related to my sim card maybe?
May 19 13:19:53 <KaZeR_mobi> my storage seems to be full. but i can't delete messages since i can't access them..
May 19 13:22:46 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r3288a29b047f 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.PIM*: add annotations, fix copy'n'paste problems
May 19 13:24:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * re714109d8983 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Source.xml.in: fix broken specs (please use make check before comitting!)
May 19 13:27:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r4997 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib s3c2442.lib): (log message trimmed)
May 19 13:27:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: Correct various pins based on Werners review. Specifically:
May 19 13:27:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: - Add EINT3/GPF3 (T26)
May 19 13:27:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: - s/IICSL/IICSCL/
May 19 13:27:30 <CIA-53> openmoko: - AF17 should be VSSQ_SDRAM, not VDDQ_SDRAM
May 19 13:27:32 <CIA-53> openmoko: - Add VDDALIVE (K5)
May 19 13:27:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: - Remove VDDIARM (AE14)
May 19 13:55:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb62daf036310 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
May 19 13:55:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Source: temporarily remove 'init' call since this provokes
May 19 13:55:03 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: a name collision in the c code.
May 19 14:00:07 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r3746f9c2895f 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): don't link to vala; bump version
May 19 14:44:32 <skamster> ehm, does someone know how i could iterate througt a gtk.ListStore and search a value?
May 19 14:44:49 <skamster> a value from a row in the liststore
May 19 14:46:47 <skamster> if i know this, i could finish the release :)
May 19 14:51:29 <thrashold> What's the difference between shr-settings in shr.git and in shr-settings.git?
May 19 14:51:38 <thrashold> And which one should I use?
May 19 14:53:37 <skamster> no gtk/python-peobles here?
May 19 14:58:38 <dos1> thrashold: shr-settings.git
May 19 14:58:51 <dos1> thrashold: in shr.git it's OLD (exposure.py based)
May 19 14:58:58 <thrashold> I see
May 19 14:59:00 <thrashold> Thank you
May 19 14:59:52 <thrashold> Hm, and I was compiling python-etk for nothing...
May 19 15:55:34 <PBeck> ahoi
May 19 16:15:02 <wurp2|working> Psi: Yes, it does.  I have a gta01, no freerunner, and I do it all the time.
May 19 16:15:56 <wurp2|working> What result do you get?  Can you not find the xrandr command for some reason, or does it give an error message, or does it just not change the orientation?
May 19 16:26:54 <wurp2|working> Psi: If you somehow had some graphics libraries from FR installed on your gta01, I would expect xrandr (and a bunch of other stuff) to fail
May 19 16:27:18 <lindi-> wurp2|working: graphics libraries?
May 19 16:27:41 <wurp2|working> lindi-: Psi was saying that xrandr -o wasn't working on his gta01
May 19 16:28:15 <wurp2|working> on SHR.  I have a gta01 running SHR, and I have used xrandr many times, so something funny is going on
May 19 16:28:48 <lindi-> wurp2|working: which X server?
May 19 16:29:23 <wurp2|working> lindi-: Hrm, I don't know.  Did SHR switch recently?
May 19 16:29:47 <dos1> SHR is using Xglamo on gta02 and Xfbdev on gta01
May 19 16:29:51 <wurp2|working> I am only responding to his question of how to rotate the screen on his gta01.  I dunno anything about his system other than gta01
May 19 17:03:16 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8cd952c910ec 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add skeleton for kernel_idle implementing org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier
May 19 18:32:11 <Myk0n> hi
May 19 18:32:33 <Myk0n> I was following the installation instructions in the koolu site
May 19 18:32:52 <Myk0n> but when I try to boot from the sd card it tells me that can't read uImage.bin
May 19 18:33:03 <Myk0n> can someone help?
May 19 18:33:06 <Myk0n> pls
May 19 18:33:34 <max_posedon> I think you could fine help on #freerunner-android (or #android-freerunner)
May 19 18:34:03 <Myk0n> thank you
May 19 19:12:12 <thrashold> I'm trying to get ophonekitd running. I'm running my desktop environment as user (not as root), should I run ophonekitd as user, and adjust everything to make it usable, or should I run it as root?
May 19 19:12:55 <thrashold> I have a preference for the former
May 19 19:27:15 <dos1> someone interested in opimd development?
May 19 19:27:17 <dos1> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opimd
May 19 19:53:36 <nadio> Is it possible to connect a USB keyboard to openmoko with an usb-mini adapter?
May 19 19:53:44 <mjr> yes
May 19 19:53:45 <Defiant> should be
May 19 19:54:01 <nadio> How about to other normal mobile phones that got mini usb slot?
May 19 19:54:06 <mjr> people have done that; also, people have ordered special keypads with suitable connector premade
May 19 19:54:13 <mjr> yes
May 19 19:55:40 <dos1> i'm sometimes connecting normal PC keyboard to FR
May 19 19:55:45 <dos1> and pendrives
May 19 19:55:59 <dos1> and once even mouse ;)
May 19 20:06:05 <wurp2|working> nadio: IMO bluetooth kbd is more convenient
May 19 20:06:17 <wurp2|working> except when the software support is broken :-(
May 19 20:21:53 <Guest95432> is FDOM a  dead project?
May 19 20:23:18 <rhkfin> Guest95432: it hasn't released since 2008.9. Kustomizer is available for OM2008.12 (and we're writing it for OM2009, too)
May 19 20:23:29 <rhkfin> Guest95432: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer
May 19 20:23:42 <Guest95432> tx
May 19 20:25:35 <ndnihil> FDOM was dead before it started
May 19 20:27:03 <rhkfin> ndnihil: I disagree: it made 2008.9 run out of the box
May 19 20:27:22 <ndnihil> define "run"
May 19 20:27:34 <ndnihil> when I tried it, it was completely unusable
May 19 20:27:54 <ndnihil> functional maybe
May 19 20:28:08 <ndnihil> not not usable from a human standpoint
May 19 20:28:18 <ndnihil> particularly not for a phone
May 19 20:28:40 <ndnihil> where you need things to happen within 20 minutes of a request being made
May 19 20:29:55 <ndnihil> er
May 19 20:29:58 <ndnihil> s/not not/but not/
May 19 20:30:10 <ndnihil> fingers faster than brain
May 19 20:39:53 <thrashold> Can recent version of frameworkd run as run with frontends connecting to them with different users? is the dbus frameworkd.conf in git up to date?
May 19 20:51:28 <Psi> wurp2|working:  lindi-   im using the latest shr unstable build on gta01
May 19 20:51:37 <Psi> but ive tried it before as well and it didnt work
May 19 20:51:45 <Psi> re: rotating lcd
May 19 20:56:10 <Psi> here http://pastebin.com/m402ead6f
May 19 20:56:16 <thrashold> That's cool. Everything org.freesmartphone.* is giving me access denied, even as root.. :D
May 19 20:56:20 <Psi> it seems to think its working, but the lcd does nothing
May 19 21:00:00 <thrashold> http://pastebin.com/m49c5f0ca
May 19 21:05:05 <TAsn> thrashold, because it's dbus access you should look for
May 19 21:05:10 <TAsn> thrashold, google for dbus access
May 19 21:06:00 <TAsn> ciao
May 19 21:06:09 <thrashold> Shoudl this be by /etc/dbus-1/system.d/frameworkd.conf?
May 19 21:21:07 <thrashold> `Unknown internal dbus error: Method "ListResources" with signature "" on interface "org.freesmartphone.Usage" doesn't exist.' Should this exist, and is there any tool that can tell me if it does, and what does exist?
May 19 21:41:34 <thrashold> Ah, it seems that just latest git of framework is completely broken. Anyway, forget it. Going to sleep.
May 19 21:42:36 <badcloud> how was shr ticket #433 resolved??
May 19 21:43:05 <Ainulindale> badcloud: well badly detailed
May 19 21:43:18 <Ainulindale> badcloud: but the bug was upstream and it's fixed in unstable and soon in testing
May 19 21:44:22 <badcloud> gotcha
May 19 21:44:54 <badcloud> 'be nice if there'd be a temp workaround
May 19 21:46:58 <Ainulindale> switch to unstable :-)
May 19 21:48:21 <badcloud> how's the latest?
May 19 21:48:57 <badcloud> seems to be a fun question these days
May 19 21:50:04 <badcloud> I haven't managed to use anything after the beginning of May (unstable)
May 19 21:50:33 <badcloud> phonewise, suspend
May 19 22:43:11 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0d4c2b802c22 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_idle/plugin.vala: fsodevice: first version of idlenotifier working
May 19 22:47:05 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra2ddf970c77d 10/framework/patterns/dbuscache.py: dbuscache: use python2.5-compatible syntax
May 20 00:18:56 <mokoer> hello all! IS there any feed that currently has linphone? The one listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone is down.
May 20 00:26:10 <h4v> it would be good to put linphone back on track
May 20 00:29:34 <mokoer> indeed
May 20 00:29:59 <mokoer> I am really eager to see a functional SHR again too
May 20 00:42:31 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4998 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
May 20 00:42:31 <CIA-53> openmoko: A few components and a footprint generator that may be useful for gta02-core.
May 20 00:42:31 <CIA-53> openmoko: The SOT symbols duplicate items in the KiCad library, but have a different
May 20 00:42:31 <CIA-53> openmoko: pin assignment. (Different between through-hole and SMT.)
May 20 01:28:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r4999 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: 
May 20 01:28:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: NYPON, YMON, and NXPON weren't but a figment of Samsung's imagination.
May 20 01:28:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: (They existed with these names in the 2410 but 2442 moved them to the
May 20 01:28:34 <CIA-53> openmoko: ADC and renamed them.)
May 20 01:32:28 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5000 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: Two nSSx names were capitalized.
May 20 01:41:56 <slaxxer> is dbus unborked yet in shr-unstable?
May 20 01:46:43 * mokoer is so anxious to see shr actually working
May 20 01:53:21 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5001 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: 
May 20 01:53:21 <CIA-53> openmoko: VD15/GPD7/nSS0 and VD14/GPD6/nSS1 have in fact no secondary function
May 20 01:53:21 <CIA-53> openmoko: (yet another anchronism in the Samsung data sheet), so we rename them.
May 20 01:53:21 <CIA-53> openmoko: A few pins listed GPxx as second instead of third function. Samsung
May 20 01:53:21 <CIA-53> openmoko: are inconsistently inconsistent about this, so we remove the
May 20 01:53:24 <CIA-53> openmoko: inconsistency.
May 20 02:02:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5002 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/2442-cheatsheet: 
May 20 02:02:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: A little help for matching units to subsystems. The numbers are KiCad's
May 20 02:02:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: internal references.
May 20 02:06:12 <slaxxer> shr/unstable/settings/connectivity/"Dbus is borked"   that is funny
May 20 02:08:29 <mokoer> slaxxer: I am using the 0416 testing and dbus is borked at least since... 
May 20 02:08:45 <slaxxer> ic
May 20 02:09:17 <slaxxer> read the lattest news?
May 20 02:15:59 <slaxxer> what we need are a group of manufactures  that will build at the true cost       ,,,,  pitting  THEM AGAINST EACH OTHER    in a competition  with open hardware!
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