**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 24 02:59:57 2009 May 24 04:50:22 Hi! It's been a while since I used my freerunner. Is there a way to get uboot serial over a USB cable? May 24 04:50:31 or do you need the debug board for that? May 24 04:51:01 press the button, and load cdc_acm I think May 24 04:51:12 then minicom /dev/ttyUSB0 or whatever May 24 04:51:17 oh! ttyACM0 is a serial port? May 24 04:51:24 I don't have a ttyUSB0 appearing on the host May 24 04:51:44 err May 24 04:51:52 maybe acm0 yes, I don't know May 24 04:52:04 the module is acm May 24 05:22:14 Hey, can anyone help me work out the MMIO address of the USB serial port inside uboot? May 24 05:32:18 I think it's 0x50008000, not sure May 24 07:01:42 good morning May 24 07:31:33 I just flashed the latest testing release of OM2009, and after it boots, it shows the clock (wrong time and day) and "Call-Log, SMS, Dialer" etc, but the phone is completely frozen. Neither button does anything, USB networking doesn't work, and touching the labels on the touchscreen does nothing - has anyone seen this> Do you know what's wrong? May 24 08:47:19 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5030 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add symbols for RT9702A and RT9013 May 24 09:06:53 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r737cd13bcdaf 10/libfsoframework/vapi/ (Makefile.am libascenario.deps libascenario.vapi): fsoframework: add libascenario.{deps|vapi} May 24 09:06:54 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r1388264a3baa 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsodevice: alsa_audio: add first bits of libascenario usage May 24 09:27:48 I installed fso-framework, ophonekitd and shr apps. I can see my contacts, it connects to the network, I'm also suspecting that calling works, but I see none of my messages. What could be the cause for this? Misconfiguration of frameworkd? May 24 09:28:31 fso/shr doesn't store outcoming messages now May 24 09:28:46 The incoming ones that are or my SIM aren't shown May 24 09:28:56 hm... can't be May 24 09:28:58 max_posedon_: no, FSO does. If you use it with Zhone that's for sure. May 24 09:29:06 thrashold: probably your sim is not ready yet? May 24 09:29:21 When I receive a message, framework makes a noise, but shr-messages list is still empty May 24 09:29:22 thrashold: can you look through the frameworkd log to see if sim is ready? May 24 09:29:38 thrashold: it's not updated "in time", though you should have a window showing the new message May 24 09:29:41 thrashold, you should restart shr-messages May 24 09:30:24 Yes, probably; if it still doesn't work, restart ophonekitd. May 24 09:30:30 I hear a sound, I open shr-messages (it's closed), and there are no messages. It could be dbus misconfiguration, let me check something. May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc3b278c61f2b 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: alsa_audio: more work on scenario API implementation May 24 09:31:11 freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Reconsider implementing this on a seperate object path May 24 09:31:29 thrashold, try mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessag May 24 09:31:29 ebook 'all' May 24 09:33:28 `/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: RetrieveMessagebook failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply' May 24 09:33:41 I guess I have so much messages that it timeouts May 24 09:34:38 That's bad May 24 09:40:34 That works: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessage 0 May 24 09:41:46 ahoi May 24 09:41:53 transylvania, and RetrieveMessagebook 'all' doesn't? May 24 09:42:00 sorry, thrashold May 24 09:42:03 max_posedon_: Nope May 24 09:43:15 thrashold: have you already taken a look at the log? Any tracebacks or other oddities there? May 24 09:44:08 I will enable it and check now May 24 09:48:39 Yes, there is, when I do RetrieveMessagebook 'all' I get this: http://pastebin.com/m539c7a84 May 24 09:50:10 There are some fixes in framework GIT, I'll see if something is related to this May 24 09:50:27 oh python-2.5 May 24 09:50:45 somebody broke python-2.5 compability May 24 09:51:38 mickey|zzZZzz, ! May 24 09:52:38 thrashold, 1min, why you escaped 'all' via \ ? May 24 09:53:24 Because of: ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments (,) according to signature u's': : Expected a stringor unicode object May 24 09:54:45 hm try u'all'... but this is strange anyway May 24 09:55:58 max_posedon_: this error is unrelated to python2.5 May 24 09:56:13 Probably I'm using an older mdbus version which tries to eval whatever I give as an argument May 24 09:56:15 thrashold: yep, i noticed it several days ago and alphaone fixed it instantly May 24 09:56:44 thrashold: nothing to do with mdbus, just copy-paste error in ogsmd May 24 09:58:32 So, this is gone in latest GIT? Thanks, I'll install it now May 24 10:05:53 Thanks, it's all fine now :) May 24 10:16:52 Cool, Tango GPS claims that it sees 12 satellites indoors. :D Yesterday it claimed that I was walking with 2219 km/h. :D (It was showing right coordinates and everything, though :) ) May 24 10:17:10 :D May 24 10:18:07 thrashold, are you sure you aren't at a nasa warehouse? May 24 10:19:59 I'm not sure anymore, there were some catacombs on the top of the building next to me with strange equipment inside them, and strange antennas and all :D May 24 10:26:32 GPS sats are in low earth orbit, right? May 24 10:27:10 yup May 24 10:27:45 most of them May 24 10:28:05 DocScrutinizer: morning :) May 24 10:28:21 morning - - *yawn* May 24 11:07:59 morning May 24 11:10:40 ning May 24 11:11:35 ahoi badcloud rhkfin :) May 24 11:13:09 PBeck :) May 24 11:18:06 what's shakin? no bugs? no wishlist additions????? May 24 11:24:19 badcloud: OM2009 & paroli rock. And sure bugs & wishlist additions :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active May 24 11:25:15 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5031 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/exc240cb102u.lib gta02-core.pro): Add symbol for EXC240CB102U May 24 11:28:35 hey, does QVGA work on gta01 under shr ? May 24 11:31:29 rhkfin, f'real? May 24 11:31:37 might give them a try May 24 11:32:20 badcloud: I'm using testing 3 (with upgraded paroli so it May 24 11:32:31 's more or less testing4) for some days with no problems.. May 24 11:33:21 nice May 24 11:33:34 I'm using shr testing and h1 and I'm quite happy May 24 11:34:23 aside from lack of sms # --> name resolve in shr and contact hide'n'go seek with h1 May 24 11:36:18 but how much software is readily available for om'09? May 24 11:37:17 om2009 should be binary compatible to om2008/shr etc May 24 11:37:57 so nearly everything available for om2008/shr/fso etc is available for om2009 May 24 11:38:30 Psi: with which kernel? May 24 11:44:34 I see May 24 11:46:08 Hey, the stream is online! May 24 11:46:57 Paul, which stream? May 24 11:49:55 badcloud: http://corrina.bearstech.com:1234 May 24 11:50:00 badcloud: FSOSHRUDEVCON May 24 12:00:10 PaulFertser: 2.6.24 May 24 12:03:13 are some of you people going to the camp this year? May 24 12:04:51 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r66cf2e79b191 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 24 12:04:51 freesmartphone.org: Name unnamed parameters May 24 12:04:51 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r0d221b688bfb 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: May 24 12:04:52 freesmartphone.org: name unnamed parameters for signals May 24 12:04:56 freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Frederik 'playya' Sdun May 24 13:30:56 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5032 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix component name for EXC24CV102U (was EXC240CV102U) May 24 13:36:52 anyone have a working URL for Google Satellite tiles for tangogps? May 24 13:43:40 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5033 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/exc24cb102u.lib: Make internal EXC24CV102U coils explicit May 24 13:52:46 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5034 10/trunk/gta02-core/AUTHORS: Fix name of lib in AUTHORS May 24 14:46:11 hello May 24 14:46:38 i have a little problem, my usdcard seems not recognizer by my GTA02 ... May 24 14:46:43 recognized May 24 14:47:08 shoud i see something like mmcblckp0 in my dev directory ? May 24 14:47:32 Ok, first. May 24 14:47:37 anyone know which distros support right to left language in sms reading? May 24 14:47:47 SHR May 24 14:47:48 Have you tried taking it out and putting it in again? May 24 14:47:50 *languages May 24 14:48:08 Hebrew/Arabic encoding, the works? May 24 14:48:15 yes May 24 14:48:24 nice May 24 14:48:25 thanks May 24 14:48:26 SpeedEvil : i just did it... anyway i'm also using the fso console image... don't know if it has an impact May 24 14:48:59 umm May 24 14:49:39 Sorry - I should have kept up better - but have had no cash to buy gta02 - so I've not been keeping up with that hardware as much as I should have. May 24 14:49:57 The device I think should show in /proc/partitions, if it's loaded May 24 14:50:13 openmoko: 03werner * r5035 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Updated compilation libs and expanded view for new components. May 24 14:50:19 you should also get mentiones in the kernel logs about the SD card being initialised May 24 14:50:27 lots of stuff about cocking and such. May 24 14:50:29 clocking May 24 14:51:09 i will search:) May 24 14:53:49 it's strange , it seems that it foudn it.. May 24 14:53:56 then later it removed it ! May 24 14:55:09 it's a sandisk microsd card, it should not be a problem, right ? May 24 14:55:24 openmoko: 03werner * r5036 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Reviewed all the new components. May 24 14:56:52 ST1: there have been reports that some cards hve problems, these have bugs May 24 14:57:10 SpeedEvil: shit ... May 24 14:57:31 SpeedEvil: Do you know how can i check my firmware version instead ? May 24 14:57:37 err May 24 14:57:40 this is a big May 24 14:57:49 what do you mean by firmwarv ersion May 24 14:57:58 GSM? May 24 14:58:03 i think so ... May 24 14:58:11 in fact, i'm programming on the top of fso May 24 14:58:23 and after required the GSM resource May 24 14:58:37 i asked to the sim card if it needs a authenticate code May 24 14:58:41 and that crashed May 24 14:58:49 so i asked to the guys on the FSO irc channel May 24 14:59:06 and they asked me, wich version of the firmware i had. .. May 24 14:59:08 IIRC searching the wiki for GSM flash should turn up something May 24 15:00:15 geez... found it May 24 15:56:23 hi evryone ... May 24 15:56:35 has anyone ever programmed over the FSO framework please ? May 24 15:56:48 i have an anoying error , and i can't find where it comes from ... :s May 24 16:06:19 Some one competent with freesmartphone framework and GTA02 for python programming ? May 24 16:06:25 Here is my source code: http://pastebin.com/d1db90ea1 May 24 16:06:55 When requesting for a potential sim code, it crashed with a SIM FAILURE code :s May 24 16:12:35 ST1: maybe ask in #openmoko-cdevel May 24 16:12:46 aha, you already did, my mistake :) May 24 16:13:17 no problem :) May 24 16:15:32 does anyone knows how to get ophonekitd source ? May 24 16:46:57 hmm May 24 16:47:34 ST1: git.shr-project.org May 24 16:47:37 shr.git repo May 24 16:47:59 (not ophonekitd.repo, cause it's vala rewrite, not used now) May 24 17:35:06 Hello everbody May 24 17:35:28 Can someone tell me how do I change the logo in the uboot menu? May 24 17:35:45 Bogdan: i think there is no logo in uboot menu May 24 17:35:49 at last by default May 24 17:35:51 only in NOR May 24 17:35:59 which you can't write without debubo May 24 17:36:18 The uboot menu shows a logo May 24 17:36:33 Bogdan: no, it doesn't May 24 17:36:50 hmm May 24 17:37:01 Bogdan: push POWER, then AUX May 24 17:37:10 you will see uboot menu from NAND May 24 17:37:15 when you push AUX, and then POWER May 24 17:37:25 you can see NOR uboot menu, which is read-only May 24 17:37:34 i think you could set up logo in NAND menu May 24 17:37:41 but by default there isn't no logo May 24 17:37:48 This tells NOR on the screen May 24 17:37:52 s/isn't/is/ May 24 17:37:52 dos1 meant: but by default there is no logo May 24 17:37:58 Bogdan: so it's read-only May 24 17:38:02 (unless you have debug board) May 24 17:38:09 I see May 24 17:38:33 so basically I can also boot a different bootloader that has no logo? May 24 17:38:48 Bogdan: well, you should May 24 17:38:56 NOR bootloader is only recovery one May 24 17:39:02 dos1: cool May 24 17:39:51 So I can play with the NAND bootloader as much as I want and if I mess it out I can always boot with the NOR one right? May 24 17:40:33 as far as I know May 24 17:40:56 This is great May 24 17:42:53 well May 24 17:43:14 Bogdan: it's strange for me that you didn't know that BEFORE you bought FreeRunner ;) May 24 17:43:29 :)) May 24 17:43:55 (about recovery bootloader in NOR, not about logo of course ;D) May 24 17:44:09 I have some frinds that have the development board and I was expecting to use that in case shit happens May 24 17:45:53 I dont currently have an freerunner, but consider buying one. Wich distro is currently the best for using the freerunner as a daily phone? May 24 17:46:18 Zilla: I wound't get a FreeRunner now that I have it :) May 24 17:46:32 Zilla: for me SHR May 24 17:46:54 and maybe Om2009, but i should test it firstly May 24 17:46:59 (at last it seems to be good) May 24 17:47:10 Zilla: most people only use 1 distro, so it's hard to compare May 24 17:47:23 about SHR - of course shr-unstable image :P May 24 17:47:32 but om2009 or shr would be my guesses too May 24 17:47:41 how great is android on the FR? May 24 17:48:01 Zilla: If you don't mind the thing that if you are lucky battery will last from morning to evening and if you don't mind missing a phonecall or two you can use it as a daily phone May 24 17:48:34 Zilla: i don't think the addresses the problems i'm seeing since they are in kernel, X and gsm chip May 24 17:48:38 Zilla: Android? i think it's still curiosity on FreeRunner May 24 17:48:44 Zilla: I find Android somehow usable except that wireless doesn't actually work in the real life situations May 24 17:48:44 Ah i get it :) May 24 17:52:05 dos1, which unstable image is working ok now? May 24 17:52:23 badcloud: latest May 24 17:52:35 really? it's doing relatively ok now? May 24 17:53:12 where do you use the FR for? development of software? May 24 17:53:17 @everyone May 24 17:55:26 badcloud: i'm using it as daily phone May 24 17:55:31 GPS tracking, backup phone (though I think that I would use it as primary) May 24 17:55:35 Zilla: I just wanted to test OpenSource mobile stuff May 24 17:55:46 Zilla: i'm using my FR with shr-unstable as my main phone, and i'm using it for development too May 24 17:56:45 Mobile IM too, though I'm avoiding IMing when I'm somewhere, so I haven't really tested it. :D May 24 17:57:08 I the future I'll probably use it for something else besides phone because in my opinion it doesn't work as a phone May 24 17:57:53 Hello all, can I use the FR as a daily PDA? May 24 17:58:06 NO May 24 17:58:12 If I ever manage to create my elementary python shell, I would use it as an advanced calculator, too. May 24 17:58:25 no? May 24 17:58:37 rons: Not at all May 24 17:58:38 well its a linux device wich has an mobilephone inside :) May 24 17:58:46 i think thats what the FR is? May 24 17:58:53 rons: yes May 24 17:58:53 rons: You can, actually, but it is not very suitable May 24 17:59:08 i'm using it as my primary, daily phone May 24 17:59:23 whats a good PIM-suite than for the FR? (simple calandar app) May 24 17:59:38 i am a developer myself... I don't mind making backups & playing around to make it work... May 24 18:00:03 Zilla: i'm working on opimd May 24 18:00:16 Zilla: we should get some calendar working soon i think May 24 18:00:49 is developing Qt apps on the FR as easy as it is on the PC? May 24 18:01:04 i see :) May 24 18:01:44 rons: don't know about Qt... but it shouldn't be that hard, if only you'll get familiar with OE May 24 18:02:23 has every FR the buzzing bug? (microphone hardware bug) May 24 18:02:36 Zilla: A7 revisions not May 24 18:03:08 a7 is being sold now? May 24 18:03:20 *are May 24 18:03:23 i think yes (isn't it?) May 24 18:04:21 i thought only up to A5? May 24 18:04:37 jonkristian: WTF? May 24 18:04:46 A5 was first being sold revision May 24 18:04:54 I have A6 May 24 18:04:54 (i have A5) May 24 18:05:27 A6 has only few fixes - AUX LED, SD/GPS interference and booting without battery May 24 18:05:32 dos1: what is OE? May 24 18:05:33 A7 fixes buzz May 24 18:05:38 rons: Open Embedded May 24 18:05:42 rons: build system May 24 18:06:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions no a7 revision here? May 24 18:07:09 Zilla: wiki is out-of-date, with information distributed all around May 24 18:07:10 dos1: i've used the crosscompiler toolchain for openwrt... May 24 18:07:45 so where can i find current info lindi-? May 24 18:08:03 Zilla: no single place sorry May 24 18:09:54 http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner a7 revision has allready the buzz fix applied from factory :) May 24 18:10:08 the openmoko/FR community seems to be very devided... May 24 18:12:55 I think it's difficult to assemble all info in one place, considering the number of distros available to the phone May 24 18:13:38 info on the hardware should be in one place? May 24 18:14:20 that it *should* be May 24 18:14:55 it should be indeed :( May 24 18:16:00 are there other places for custom hardware expansions/hacks? May 24 18:16:34 a snapon usb keyboard for fast texting/emailing would be stellar May 24 18:16:39 it would be cool to add your own stuff to the FR without messing around with the outer case May 24 18:17:50 like a simple temperature sensor or a IR transmitter to use it as a remote control... May 24 18:18:10 lirc on the FR May 24 18:18:13 would be nice:) May 24 18:18:26 I was a bit disappointed by lack of ir May 24 18:18:43 You can always create a BT remote, though May 24 18:19:40 or wifi May 24 18:19:45 using a router May 24 18:19:53 yes ofcourse... but I don't might developing some hardware... maybe u know of some custom expansions... May 24 18:19:54 depending on the purpose May 24 18:20:01 I've never seen IR on anything in my life. Never touched a computer with IR. I have IR on my primary phone, but I never did nothing more than see the option in the menu May 24 18:20:30 ir is old. May 24 18:20:59 ok ofcourse.. IR is a bit dull.. but give me something... May 24 18:21:31 bt? May 24 18:21:40 BlueTooth May 24 18:21:57 yes, but it's already on the FR... May 24 18:22:03 Or as I prefer to say "Blue Tuff" :D May 24 18:22:05 there is no fun in that... May 24 18:22:58 /cle May 24 18:23:01 /clear May 24 18:23:12 oh :) May 24 18:23:19 any know of a mini keyboard that fits the fr? May 24 18:23:27 some thing that would snap on to it of course May 24 18:24:30 who would like to have LIRC on there FR? May 24 18:25:15 rons: ? May 24 18:25:56 Wasn't LIRC an IR remote *client* software? Or I got it wrong? May 24 18:25:57 rons: there would be no point. May 24 18:26:08 thrashold, yes May 24 18:26:17 sounds nice, but a bit archaic May 24 18:26:25 linux infra red control? for controlling your tv and stereo :) May 24 18:26:33 Oh, it wasn't a client, it can both send and receive May 24 18:26:44 yes it can do both May 24 18:26:44 :) May 24 18:26:52 badcloud: http://www.pulster.de/d__btkeyboard__Openmoko_Freerunner_Bluetooth_Mini_Keyboard1049.htm May 24 18:27:06 oh, whoops, I neglected the emphasized *client* bit May 24 18:27:17 Zilla: but you'll need IrDA for that :x May 24 18:27:30 btw whats the difference in between pulster.eu and goldendelicious? as of service ? May 24 18:27:33 *as in May 24 18:27:56 a simple ir led + serial port would work just fine May 24 18:28:02 for lirc May 24 18:28:10 I would not know... I don't own a FR *yet* :P May 24 18:28:19 You can get USB IrDA May 24 18:28:25 but where did you bought one? rons? May 24 18:28:38 Zilla: I would not know... I don't own a FR *yet* :P May 24 18:28:48 rons, thanks, but I was thinking along the lines of... http://www.phonemag.com/verizon-lg-versa-with-detachable-oled-keyboard-case-hits-march-1st-026950.php May 24 18:28:56 * Zilla has an lirc reciever for the serial port :) May 24 18:28:59 works great May 24 18:29:27 something not separate (necessarily) from the device May 24 18:29:41 There are BlueTooth IR adapters :D May 24 18:29:50 link? May 24 18:30:44 Google returned links for me. I don't know which are suitable. http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/ir2bt-infrared-to-bluetooth-converter-now-on-sale-ps3-owners-re/ This looks cool, but it is too big :) May 24 18:31:27 The point is, there are many ways you can attach IR hardware to FR. May 24 18:31:30 ok I understand.. there is no fun with IR... but what about something else? something that can easily be connected to the FR, like a humidity sensor? May 24 18:31:54 or an dvbt tuner :) May 24 18:32:04 You can use an USB serial port, for example. And I plan to do this to control my telescope from FR. May 24 18:32:22 tell me I'm not the only one hungry for a thumb usb keyboard May 24 18:32:25 But attacking an external IR device to FR is rather pointless. May 24 18:33:48 Zilla: dvbt would be fun, be to big to be integrated in the FR... May 24 18:34:37 Zilla: we could mount it on the FR with some ducktape... but then it would not look that fancy... May 24 18:36:03 if you built an dvbt tuner inside the device, the device gets bigger :( May 24 18:38:03 does someone knows when pulster is going to sell the new a7 hardware revision? May 24 18:56:09 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5037 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/varistor.lib gta02-core.pro): Add varistor symbol. May 24 19:11:08 openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5038 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/varistor.lib: Remove varistor pin numbering May 24 19:28:36 Hi all, I like to buy a FR, video playback seems to be like a notorious topic... has anybody actually used the FR to watch videos while traveling? (I don't mind messing around with the FR) May 24 19:30:33 rons: simple ones play even without any hw acceleration May 24 19:37:30 lindi-: hw acceleration (the Glamo chip) seems to be the problem of the FR... May 24 19:38:38 pretty much May 24 19:38:46 there was some patched prototype mplayer to handle mpeg4 accel but I don't know if that's been followed up on May 24 19:38:49 rons: there are so many other issues that i wouldn't concentrate on that May 24 19:38:56 mjr: it horribly bypasses kernel and X May 24 19:39:07 that much i kind of presumed May 24 19:39:12 anyway, yeah, more important stuff May 24 19:40:05 hey people, can someone tell me an example of a embedded device inherited from openmoko schematics? May 24 19:40:11 ok i understand the FR is not perfect... but at least I can login with ssh on antother server without having to carry a laptop or netbook :P May 24 19:41:05 flavioribeiro: there was a GPS device somewhere which uses the orginal device... May 24 19:41:40 flavioribeiro: http://www.openmoko.com/opportunities-verticals-dash-openmoko.html May 24 19:43:42 flavioribeiro: if you mean a 'community' one - schematics are the small part of the problem - it's unlikely to go from schematics to working hardware without several iterations and thousands of $ May 24 19:46:05 all i need is a photo to put in my presentation about open hardware and the 'feature' of inherit from other open hardware platforms May 24 19:46:07 I think you can extend the device with some additional sensors etc. (with I2C etc.), but creating a complete new device with complete different dimensions is another thing... May 24 19:47:38 there was another application of the FR... something with geographic stuff... May 24 19:48:58 flavioribeiro: ask over in ##electronics May 24 19:49:06 I can't think of anything at the moment May 24 19:50:52 I saw some video on youtube in which the FR was used to control an autonomous robot, but ofcourse they didn't actually use the electrical schematics... May 24 20:41:46 I got a SMS with an & in it, Paroli won't display it, or anything after it ... known bug? ( Couldn't find one ) May 24 20:43:15 kirun: does http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/dump-sms show it? May 24 20:51:08 (trying it now...) , it does show past the & in the preview May 24 20:56:50 ... dump-sms just pauses for a second or two then stops ( unless I run it from ssh, then it complains about no display instead ) May 25 00:01:08 Any ideas? trying to ssh into a newly installed debian system, i've added g_ether to /etc/modules, http://rafb.net/p/eKxKVb30.html May 25 00:02:00 this is how i try it, http://rafb.net/p/HTyGg381.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2009