**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 03 02:59:57 2009
Jun 03 03:37:29 <slaxxer> anyboby using 06022009 shr-unstable?
Jun 03 04:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> err shr-oemerge 200905291723
Jun 03 04:17:52 <slaxxer> me to
Jun 03 04:18:07 <slaxxer> did ya opkg upgrade yet?
Jun 03 04:36:48 <slaxxer> i did an everything still worked
Jun 03 04:41:06 <slaxxer> this new toaster,,   will it be a laser toaster or what?
Jun 03 04:42:34 <slaxxer> will the latest shr-unstable have the SHR boot splash?
Jun 03 04:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Jun 03 04:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> would never dare, maybe cherrypick particular pckgs, if there's a bug supposed to be  fixed
Jun 03 04:54:23 <SpeedEvil> Each image is carefully vetted for bugs, by well-trained professionals.
Jun 03 04:54:37 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately, someone employed professional acrobats.
Jun 03 04:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> for now I only have downgrade for settings-power, to get refresh back
Jun 03 04:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: hrrhrrr
Jun 03 04:59:29 <DocScrutinizer> well, down to 30% after 12h of IRC
Jun 03 04:59:58 <DocScrutinizer> sure no tablet-like result, but not that bad
Jun 03 05:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> and a quick test shows each resume causes pidgin (probably) to send some internet traffic, so gprs starts to transmit. Sure this eats quite some power
Jun 03 05:11:36 <slaxxer> now we have a mouse
Jun 03 05:16:29 <mwester> get a cat
Jun 03 05:18:43 <slaxxer> i need to sell some cats
Jun 03 05:22:06 <xzcvczx> lol random
Jun 03 06:40:43 <badcloud> I've been having spotty calling issues in shr oemerge
Jun 03 06:41:26 <badcloud> has a bug been filed yet about dialer/contacts not managing to make calls every now and then?
Jun 03 06:50:02 <Blu3> oh good lord.  i have to turn swap on on my sdcard for opkg to finish the upgrade list
Jun 03 07:11:58 <Hopscotc1> good morning
Jun 03 07:12:15 <Blu3> good morning
Jun 03 07:12:24 <Blu3> hmm.  where did 'findutils' pkg go
Jun 03 14:53:50 <rons> I just received my new FR! Yeah! Is it supposed to be so hard to open the case of the FR?
Jun 03 14:56:53 <SabotageAndi> after sometimes of removing the battery it is easier to open the case ;-)
Jun 03 14:59:42 <SpeedEvil> curl your fingers, hold wrist rigid - place back of FR into palm, and one fingernail into slot
Jun 03 15:00:03 <SpeedEvil> now, holding case with other hand - press down with the heel of your hand, and it just pops off
Jun 03 15:01:04 <zedstar_> failing that eat some spinach
Jun 03 15:01:54 <SpeedEvil> I currently have an offer for any FR owner turning up - free spinach.
Jun 03 15:02:04 <SpeedEvil> (Fife, Scotland)
Jun 03 15:02:23 <rons> thanks for the help!
Jun 03 15:02:57 <SpeedEvil> Also - an offer of an upgrade to your GTA02 - to make the case easier to open, remove any glamo problem, and add a stereo speaker.
Jun 03 15:04:22 <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3589910995/
Jun 03 15:04:25 <SpeedEvil> spinach - on left
Jun 03 15:13:29 <peeps[work]> hehe, nice spin on the "Freerunner is no longer supported" announcement
Jun 03 15:19:11 <thrashold> SpeedEvil: Wouldn't most of that be solved by a gta01? :)
Jun 03 15:20:57 <max_posedon> peeps[work], was it supported before?!)
Jun 03 15:21:19 <SpeedEvil> thrashold: that's what I meant. :)
Jun 03 15:22:14 <thrashold> Yep, that's a cool upgrade, unfortunately I broke mine :)
Jun 03 16:19:11 <PBeck> ahoi
Jun 03 17:03:03 <mihairu> hi guys...i have a little question about GPS...on OM2009 runs GPS out of the box or is neccessary to set it up?
Jun 03 17:13:57 <beers> I dont know. I do not use OM 2009 but qt extended improved where it works out of the box (gives me the cords)
Jun 03 17:21:23 <slaxxer> im pretty much sure it will run out of the box   sooooooo BE READY!!!
Jun 03 17:41:14 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5082 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Update component review status
Jun 03 17:41:41 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5083 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/dfbm-cs320.lib gta02-core.pro): Add DFBM-CS320 symbol from Rene
Jun 03 18:03:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5084 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/pcf50633-04-n3.lib: Make PCF50633 VISC/REFC pins passive
Jun 03 19:14:21 <badcloud> calling and suspend just died on me under oemerge
Jun 03 19:14:27 <badcloud> anyone run into this?
Jun 03 19:15:20 <badcloud> frameworkd maybe?
Jun 03 19:15:34 <badcloud> (uneducated guess)
Jun 03 19:15:42 <Blu3> calling is probably ophonekitd
Jun 03 19:15:52 <badcloud> is sus too?
Jun 03 19:15:58 <badcloud> (ophonekitd)
Jun 03 19:16:02 <badcloud> maybe it's dbus then
Jun 03 19:16:07 <Blu3> and suspend sometimes fails if the modem is active
Jun 03 19:16:16 <Blu3> i don't know what makes ophonekitd crash
Jun 03 19:16:20 <badcloud> but then calling would work
Jun 03 19:57:41 <DocScrutinizer> basically suspending during call is a bad idea
Jun 03 19:58:22 <Blu3> generally ;)
Jun 03 19:59:09 <max_posedon> )))
Jun 03 19:59:36 <max_posedon> DocMobilizer, this is because your too short dim settings ?
Jun 03 20:04:27 <thrashold> Suspending during call sounds like a great idea to me. The concept itself should get a Nobel price or something.
Jun 03 20:15:14 <Ainulindale> DocScrutinizer: well it was one of the ideas which lead to the direct wire between sound chipset & gsm, wasn't it?
Jun 03 20:15:20 <Ainulindale> IIRC I talked about that with mickey|sun 
Jun 03 20:15:26 <Ainulindale> And then asked him how we were supposed to hang up
Jun 03 20:27:52 <|Ron|> Hello all, I am planning on buying a new mirco SD card, does the speed class matter much for the Neo FR?
Jun 03 20:28:45 <fredrin> |Ron|: all should work 
Jun 03 20:29:06 <fredrin> don't know about 16GB cards though 
Jun 03 20:29:20 <|Ron|> fredrin: but will it work faster?
Jun 03 20:29:47 <fredrin> guess, the bottleneck is inside the neo not the card
Jun 03 20:30:19 <fredrin> how big are uSD cards now anyway? 
Jun 03 20:30:25 <|Ron|> 512
Jun 03 20:30:40 <|Ron|> (default micro SD)
Jun 03 20:31:36 <fredrin> |Ron|: does 32Gb exist? 
Jun 03 20:32:06 <SpeedEvil> no
Jun 03 20:32:08 <SpeedEvil> not yet
Jun 03 20:33:01 <Blu3> my 4gig sd cards don't work in the fone
Jun 03 20:33:08 <max_posedon> I have 16G that work
Jun 03 20:33:19 <fredrin> Blu3: got latest qi? 
Jun 03 20:33:26 <Blu3> i don't use qi
Jun 03 20:33:48 <Blu3> i get constant corruption on the 4gig card
Jun 03 20:34:01 <fredrin> maybe the card is b0rked
Jun 03 20:34:16 <Blu3> i don't think so.  i use it with my desktop fine
Jun 03 20:37:12 <DrRabbit> oh my god
Jun 03 20:37:18 <DrRabbit> neovento is AWESOME
Jun 03 20:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> Ainulindale: badcloud: it's more the question "how is frameworkd supposed to notice other party has finished call", just to mention *one* issue with that
Jun 03 20:37:59 <fredrin> DrRabbit: why
Jun 03 20:38:18 <DrRabbit> stable, feels very finished
Jun 03 20:38:22 <DrRabbit> comes with MokoMaze
Jun 03 20:38:27 <DrRabbit> i know i can just install it
Jun 03 20:38:33 <DrRabbit> but it's just a nice touch to include it
Jun 03 20:41:55 <fredrin> fingerfriendly? 
Jun 03 20:42:32 <DrRabbit> yeah, except for the start menu thingy
Jun 03 20:42:47 <DrRabbit> but it's okay because I'm bad about trimming my fingernails
Jun 03 20:43:14 <DrRabbit> one thing, anyone have any idea how to change the time zone on Neovento?
Jun 03 20:43:29 <DrRabbit> I happen not to live in CEST
Jun 03 20:43:32 <DrRabbit> in CEST
Jun 03 20:43:33 <DrRabbit> incest
Jun 03 20:44:14 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5085 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Marked components reviewed by Andre <andre.knispel@gmx.de>
Jun 03 20:44:58 <fredrin> lol
Jun 03 20:46:51 <DrRabbit> yeah, i can't figure out how to change the timezone here
Jun 03 20:47:25 <DrRabbit> what the hell?
Jun 03 20:47:36 <DrRabbit> Neovento comes with a 9inch nails song
Jun 03 20:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
Jun 03 20:52:40 <DrRabbit> DocScrutinizer: inorite
Jun 03 20:52:51 <DrRabbit> is 9 inch nails the one that encouraged that sort of thing?
Jun 03 20:53:26 <DrRabbit> ah, yep
Jun 03 20:53:32 <DrRabbit> the included song is CC
Jun 03 20:53:36 <DrRabbit> cool beans
Jun 03 20:54:05 <DrRabbit> yeah, neovento is totally usable
Jun 03 21:06:56 <slaxxer> yes it  is if u could keep the battery up
Jun 03 21:07:15 <ST1> hello everyone :p
Jun 03 21:07:28 <ST1> ~seen SpeedEvil
Jun 03 21:07:33 <apt> speedevil is currently on #openmoko (17h 35m 59s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 35m 25s, last said: 'not yet'.
Jun 03 21:07:46 <ST1> SpeedEvil : Hi :)
Jun 03 21:08:06 * SpeedEvil ooks at ST1.
Jun 03 21:08:13 <retracile> *sigh* just saw http://lwn.net/Articles/335878  :(
Jun 03 21:08:50 <ST1> SpeedEvil : How are you ? :)
Jun 03 21:09:23 <SpeedEvil> retracile: meh?
Jun 03 21:09:29 * SpeedEvil is unsure.
Jun 03 21:09:40 <SpeedEvil> ST1: tired.
Jun 03 21:09:46 * SpeedEvil has been gardening.
Jun 03 21:10:04 <SpeedEvil> http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/
Jun 03 21:11:46 <retracile> SpeedEvil: just sorry to see openmoko the company exiting the scene.
Jun 03 21:12:13 <SpeedEvil> retracile: yes
Jun 03 21:12:25 <ST1> SpeedEvil : Indeed, great job ;)
Jun 03 21:12:30 <DrRabbit> what what what???
Jun 03 21:12:39 <ST1> retracile : i just see the news too ...
Jun 03 21:12:39 <SpeedEvil> retracile: I can't on balance say I'm surprised - after what's happened in the last year or so.
Jun 03 21:13:07 <DrRabbit> oh jesus...
Jun 03 21:13:10 <ST1> Moreover sales decreased suddenly because of the rumor of an GTA3.... big error
Jun 03 21:13:33 <DrRabbit> this makes me rage
Jun 03 21:13:49 <retracile> SpeedEvil: Yeah, I'm not particularly surprised either.  Especially since the buzz issue made the phone unusable as a phone for me.  I've wound up moving to an ADP1 to have a working phone that's as Open as I can get.
Jun 03 21:14:09 <DrRabbit> well that's the trouble with truly open projects like this
Jun 03 21:14:11 <SpeedEvil> In many ways - the relations with the community have been the horrible problem.
Jun 03 21:14:18 <DrRabbit> people see it firsthand rise from the dust
Jun 03 21:14:39 <DrRabbit> from its conception as a dirty unusable bit of software
Jun 03 21:14:44 <ST1> SpeedEvil : what do you mean ?
Jun 03 21:14:52 <DrRabbit> and then think, "oh, it'll still be like that in six months, i bet."
Jun 03 21:14:56 <SpeedEvil> The unfortunate realities not - I suspect from both sides - having matched hopes.
Jun 03 21:15:12 <DrRabbit> whereas Google tends to keep their opensauce projects quiet for a little while
Jun 03 21:15:23 <DrRabbit> and don't say a word about them until they're largely usable
Jun 03 21:15:46 <DrRabbit> and I just hate that it works that way
Jun 03 21:16:14 <SpeedEvil> Add to that some people that were perhaps a bit too optimistic in predictions - me included at times - don't help the wider public perception.
Jun 03 21:16:32 <DrRabbit> yeah
Jun 03 21:16:37 <DrRabbit> PR sucks
Jun 03 21:16:44 <ST1> it looks like linux at the really first time ...
Jun 03 21:17:06 <ST1> not very usable ... but now ...
Jun 03 21:17:18 <SpeedEvil> Also -  there is the perception that hardware is 'easy'
Jun 03 21:17:19 <ST1> still, i'm really happy to bought it :)
Jun 03 21:17:25 <DrRabbit> I must say, neovento is LARGELY more usable tahn my motorola RAZR
Jun 03 21:17:26 <SpeedEvil> (amongst many software people)
Jun 03 21:17:39 <SpeedEvil> and that it doesn't take many, many thousands to dev a phone.
Jun 03 21:18:10 <DrRabbit> you know, more people in my LUG are becmoning interested in the FreeRunner
Jun 03 21:18:11 <ST1> SpeedEvil : not me :p too bad with electronics stuff
Jun 03 21:18:27 <DrRabbit> oh, hang on, i think a chinese person is dictionary attacking me again
Jun 03 21:18:30 <ndnihil> it doesnt take thousands to dev a phone hardwarewise, I put a whole $400 into my prototype
Jun 03 21:18:35 * SpeedEvil guesses no chance of free GTA02 anymore. (but I've not been working on my 01 enough to justify the outlay)
Jun 03 21:18:57 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: err - a phone-sized fast processor good screen device?
Jun 03 21:18:57 <ndnihil> it takes much cash to take that prototype and turn it into a usable/practical device though
Jun 03 21:19:12 <ndnihil> I hadn't gotten around to the screen part yet
Jun 03 21:19:15 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: I have a $50  or so phone I made.
Jun 03 21:19:28 <ndnihil> was planning on a PSP screen with touchscreen
Jun 03 21:19:30 <SpeedEvil> It has only one button though, and no screen.
Jun 03 21:19:37 <slaxxer> yea but 85% of the R&D is done
Jun 03 21:20:09 <ST1> DrRabbit : Ssh attack ? ;)
Jun 03 21:20:10 <SpeedEvil> Make that phone-sized, phone-weight, phone-power-consumption, with all the peripherals, suspend working right, bulletproof power managment, ...
Jun 03 21:20:16 <slaxxer> iphone screens from china  11 bucks
Jun 03 21:20:37 <DrRabbit> ST1: no, actually i think it's a french chick that I gave ssh access to my computer
Jun 03 21:20:44 <ndnihil> I used a telit module with an 8bit AVR for testing, then moved it to an AP7000 32bit AVR, then saw that the neo had come out nice and proper
Jun 03 21:20:49 <DrRabbit> she leaves an IRSSI session running
Jun 03 21:20:52 <ndnihil> so its parts are now in a box
Jun 03 21:20:55 <DrRabbit> and she's on like five different networks
Jun 03 21:21:47 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: the hard part is going BGA, and the required 6 or so layer PCB.
Jun 03 21:21:52 <ndnihil> fuck bga
Jun 03 21:21:54 <ndnihil> in its ass
Jun 03 21:22:02 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: which adds maybe $200-$300 to your prototype
Jun 03 21:22:11 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: or alternatively a huge case.
Jun 03 21:22:14 <ndnihil> yeah
Jun 03 21:22:25 <SpeedEvil> Which is fine - but it's not really a phone anymore
Jun 03 21:22:45 <ndnihil> I almost sent off some eagle boards to get made, but that's when I realized I was in over my head for a single person project :)
Jun 03 21:22:47 <SpeedEvil> (Or I mean useable as an average phone you can take everywhere)
Jun 03 21:22:50 * ST1 lost in discussion !!
Jun 03 21:24:58 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: oh - and for extra fun - the $several10'sofk you need to drop on getting a cheap case.
Jun 03 21:25:10 <ndnihil> ugh yeah
Jun 03 21:25:17 <DrRabbit> I'm going to bed.
Jun 03 21:25:26 <ndnihil> I was going to do it out of delrin, local CNC shop
Jun 03 21:25:37 <ST1> DrRabbit : Have a good night :)
Jun 03 21:25:41 <DrRabbit> it's very late
Jun 03 21:25:45 <DrRabbit> in amsterdam time
Jun 03 21:25:51 <ST1> oh right ! 
Jun 03 21:25:52 <DrRabbit> which is what my Neo is set to
Jun 03 21:25:57 <ST1> lol
Jun 03 21:26:04 <DrRabbit> g'night all
Jun 03 21:26:04 <ST1> What time is it in amsterdam ?
Jun 03 21:26:11 <DrRabbit> it's 22:12
Jun 03 21:26:19 <SpeedEvil> ndnihil: yeah - that works well for one. Less so for 1000
Jun 03 21:26:22 <DrRabbit> and I have to get up early in amsterdam time
Jun 03 21:26:35 <ST1> DrRAbbit : Take a good rest so !
Jun 03 21:26:41 <DrRabbit> I will
Jun 03 21:26:43 <DrRabbit> g'night
Jun 03 21:26:49 <ST1> thx
Jun 03 22:19:57 <|if3> woot
Jun 03 22:20:04 <|if3> I have a delima!
Jun 03 22:20:10 <|if3> dilemma *
Jun 03 22:20:40 <thrashold> Only one? I have like twenty at the moment. Want some? :)
Jun 03 22:20:44 <|if3> I want to install gcc, and I need make. Except make requires GCC, and gcc&make aren't in the repo's, anyone got an idea
Jun 03 22:21:12 <thrashold> Which distro, and why do you want to do this?
Jun 03 22:21:15 <|if3> that and the onboard memory is shit
Jun 03 22:21:17 <|if3> SHR
Jun 03 22:21:28 <|if3> thrashold, so I can install aircrack and a few other apps
Jun 03 22:21:43 <|if3> and to hell if Im EVER using debian again
Jun 03 22:23:27 <thrashold> Well, you've got two choices here... Other distro (yes, Debian), or building shr, and using the provided tools to build a package of aircrack. Which is a bit of a learning curve.
Jun 03 22:23:56 <|if3> well, depends how much of a learning curve?
Jun 03 22:24:02 <thrashold> Yay, I just managed to build shr-unstable successfully for the first time ever!
Jun 03 22:24:06 <|if3> i'm no expert, but im not that novice
Jun 03 22:24:22 <|if3> been using nix for, almost two years now :|
Jun 03 22:24:27 <|if3> running archlinux atm
Jun 03 22:24:37 <|if3> :)
Jun 03 22:24:49 <thrashold> Building it is easy, creating a .bb for aircrack should be, too.
Jun 03 22:25:09 <|if3> though haven't been on many distros, .bb?
Jun 03 22:26:02 <thrashold> I still don't know how to write .bb files, but looking at several would probably be enough to create the one you need
Jun 03 22:26:18 <|if3> not sure what .bb is? binary of sorts?
Jun 03 22:26:33 <max_posedon> |if3, opkg update ; opkg install gcc
Jun 03 22:26:35 <thrashold> bitbake
Jun 03 22:26:47 <thrashold> There is gcc in the repos?
Jun 03 22:26:54 <SpeedEvil> the wifi card on FR doesn't do promisc mode
Jun 03 22:27:19 <|if3> ty max_posedon
Jun 03 22:27:32 <thrashold> Promisc? It doesn't have promisc? As in the ethernet promisc mode? Or it doesn't support Monitor mode?
Jun 03 22:27:46 <SpeedEvil> doesn't do monitor mode
Jun 03 22:28:02 <|if3> oh, :(
Jun 03 22:28:08 <|if3> that's unfortunate
Jun 03 22:28:16 <Ainulindale> |if3: I can build aircrack for you on SHR
Jun 03 22:28:21 <Ainulindale> and put it on the feed
Jun 03 22:28:27 <SpeedEvil> of course, you can use external card
Jun 03 22:28:33 <|if3> :o, that would be awesome Ainulindale
Jun 03 22:28:42 <|if3> SpeedEvil, very true
Jun 03 22:28:44 <Ainulindale> Ok doing so now then.
Jun 03 22:28:52 <thrashold> aircrack without monitor mode would be sorta useless...
Jun 03 22:29:01 <Ainulindale> |if3: there's a trac category for package requests you know :-)
Jun 03 22:29:23 <|if3> Ainulindale, :o :)
Jun 03 22:29:29 <|if3> which usb cards would anyone suggest?
Jun 03 22:29:39 <thrashold> Quick question. If I want to bb a package, do I do it like this: ~/shr/shr-unstable $ ( . ./setup-env ; bitbake scummvm 
Jun 03 22:31:26 <Ainulindale> thrashold: to build, yes
Jun 03 22:32:22 <|if3> Ainulindale, could you possibly put make in the repos when you get a chance? >:D
Jun 03 22:32:57 <Ainulindale> "make" ?
Jun 03 22:33:09 <SpeedEvil> In the sample of a few dozen in the 
Jun 03 22:33:13 <Ainulindale> Wonder which package this comes from
Jun 03 22:33:20 <|if3> Ainulindale, make program
Jun 03 22:33:24 <SpeedEvil> kingdom of Fife, in Scotland, most were WPA
Jun 03 22:33:28 <|if3> www.gnu.org/make or w.e.
Jun 03 22:33:39 * |if3 gets url?
Jun 03 22:34:03 <|if3> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/ :')
Jun 03 22:34:05 <|if3> afk dinner!
Jun 03 22:34:40 <Ainulindale> |if3: which package as in bb recipe
Jun 03 22:34:58 <Ainulindale> sheesh
Jun 03 22:35:02 <Ainulindale> |if3: http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/public/logs/5719305.txt
Jun 03 22:35:07 <Ainulindale> (bitbake aircrack)
Jun 03 22:35:13 <|if3> i was about to say, thanks man!
Jun 03 22:35:20 <|if3> also, I've never used bitbake, I need to learn
Jun 03 22:35:21 <|if3> akf
Jun 03 22:35:23 <|if3> :)
Jun 03 22:35:25 <|if3> tyvm
Jun 03 22:36:26 <Ainulindale> |if3: well here it's a dumb issue with headers it seems
Jun 03 22:36:33 <Ainulindale> types being include twice
Jun 03 22:36:38 <Ainulindale> +d
Jun 03 22:36:52 <thrashold> Damn.. ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'ayttm' :D
Jun 03 22:37:29 <|if3> lol
Jun 03 22:42:23 <thrashold> Shouldn't headers have the respective ifdefs to avoid this?
Jun 03 22:42:35 <Ainulindale> well supposedly
Jun 03 22:42:53 <thrashold> sys/types.h has this on x86, and it seems that linux/types.h includes it...
Jun 03 22:46:58 <thrashold> It seems that the problem is with arm's linux/types.h. On x86 it works, on arm you probably should include sys/types.h first. 
Jun 03 22:47:01 <thrashold> Goodnight everybody
Jun 03 22:47:03 <thrashold> :)
Jun 03 22:52:57 <Ainulindale> |if3: hopefully fixed the issues
Jun 03 22:56:46 <Ainulindale> |if3: it's up in a minute
Jun 03 22:57:30 <Ainulindale> |if3: there it is
Jun 03 23:00:31 <Ainulindale> |if3: could you test it?
Jun 03 23:01:07 <|if3> hey sorry, just came back from dinner
Jun 03 23:01:13 <|if3> Ainulindale, sure
Jun 03 23:03:41 <|if3> Ainulindale, only thing I got was the log list
Jun 03 23:04:24 <Ainulindale> well if you don't have monitor mode you won't go far
Jun 03 23:05:47 <|if3> yeah
Jun 03 23:06:04 <|if3> but even knowing that it's installable would be dope
Jun 03 23:06:12 <Ainulindale> well it is
Jun 03 23:06:13 <Ainulindale> I just did
Jun 03 23:06:18 <|if3> im surprised that the card didn't come with monitor mode, i wonder why.
Jun 03 23:06:21 <|if3> :O
Jun 03 23:06:28 <|if3> Ainulindale, through the package manager?
Jun 03 23:06:37 <Ainulindale> Which package manager?
Jun 03 23:06:52 <|if3> opkg
Jun 03 23:07:12 <|if3> im not sure how to go abouts installing it, all you posted was a link to the error log
Jun 03 23:07:24 <Ainulindale> root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list_installed | grep aircrack
Jun 03 23:07:25 <Ainulindale> aircrack - 2.41-r1 - 
Jun 03 23:07:35 <Ainulindale> |if3: opkg update; opkg install aircrack
Jun 03 23:07:38 <Ainulindale> (on SHR unstable)
Jun 03 23:08:10 <|if3> ohhh! that'd be why: unstable
Jun 03 23:09:11 <Ainulindale> you can install it with opkg install http://the/link
Jun 03 23:09:25 <Ainulindale> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/aircrack_2.41-r1_armv4t.ipk
Jun 03 23:09:27 <|if3> ohh! didn't know that
Jun 03 23:12:30 <|if3> tyvm
Jun 03 23:13:31 <Ainulindale> You're welcome
Jun 03 23:32:38 <Digital_Pioneer> Aircrack on the FR?
Jun 03 23:32:49 <Ainulindale> Digital_Pioneer: well some have weird wishes
Jun 03 23:32:56 <Ainulindale> Still I'm benevolent, I grant these wishes! :-)
Jun 03 23:32:58 <Digital_Pioneer> Hahah
Jun 03 23:33:10 <Digital_Pioneer> If it works, I'd love to have it. }:)
Jun 03 23:33:18 <Ainulindale> Bad boy!
Jun 03 23:33:28 <Digital_Pioneer> Though I STILL can't break stupid WEP.
Jun 03 23:33:42 <Digital_Pioneer> Never have managed it, can't ever get any IVs.
Jun 03 23:33:58 <Ainulindale> Well here in france it'll be more and more handy with the new laws for copyright infrigement
Jun 03 23:34:01 <rZr> i donno any mobile device that support aerodump
Jun 03 23:34:14 <Digital_Pioneer> And I don't know how to use aireplay
Jun 03 23:34:50 <Digital_Pioneer> True.
Jun 03 23:34:54 <rZr> wep is easy if you wifi adapter supports it
Jun 03 23:35:13 <Digital_Pioneer> Well, I  have an atheros. I can run airodump no problem.
Jun 03 23:35:23 <Digital_Pioneer> I just don't know what I'm doing. :P
Jun 03 23:36:06 <rZr> does aereplay -9 work  ?
Jun 03 23:36:49 <Digital_Pioneer> Haven't tried it.
Jun 03 23:37:41 <Digital_Pioneer> Injection works, it says.
Jun 03 23:38:19 <rZr> then -3
Jun 03 23:38:49 <Digital_Pioneer> rZr: That'll get me some IVs?
Jun 03 23:39:01 <rZr> yea
Jun 03 23:39:13 <Digital_Pioneer> From the same computer as is running airodump?
Jun 03 23:39:30 <|if3> who knows what the libraries are called that let you create gtk windows via bash script?
Jun 03 23:39:42 <Digital_Pioneer> |if3: zenity?
Jun 03 23:39:57 <|if3> thanks!!!
Jun 03 23:40:03 <Digital_Pioneer> NP :)
Jun 03 23:40:27 <Ainulindale> |if3: FYI zenity won't build currently in OE
Jun 03 23:40:44 <|if3> define: OE
Jun 03 23:40:51 <Ainulindale> OpenEmbedded
Jun 03 23:40:53 <|if3> im such a noob lol
Jun 03 23:40:53 <rZr> Ainulindale: what about esd for http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
Jun 03 23:40:55 <Ainulindale> (what we use in SHR)
Jun 03 23:40:56 <|if3> ohhhhh
Jun 03 23:41:00 <|if3> :(
Jun 03 23:41:09 <Ainulindale> rZr: esd builds as far as I know
Jun 03 23:41:24 <|if3> I assume I should just build a simple gtk app then?
Jun 03 23:41:24 <Ainulindale> rZr: do you have a bb recipe for that?
Jun 03 23:41:30 <Ainulindale> i'll gladly commit it to OE for you
Jun 03 23:41:47 <rZr> bb ?
Jun 03 23:42:10 <Digital_Pioneer> bitbake
Jun 03 23:42:12 <rZr> i'd like to do this can you mentor me ?
Jun 03 23:42:16 <rZr> not yet
Jun 03 23:42:20 <rZr> i'll have to
Jun 03 23:42:30 <Ainulindale> rZr: yeah I can help with that of course
Jun 03 23:42:50 <rZr> great this w/e then or friday
Jun 03 23:42:59 <Ainulindale> Hard for me
Jun 03 23:43:01 <Digital_Pioneer> So is there any kind of UI designer for elementary? :P
Jun 03 23:43:10 <Ainulindale> My parents come over this week-end (starting friday)
Jun 03 23:45:45 <Ainulindale> rZr: easiest way though judging from the sources
Jun 03 23:45:53 <Ainulindale> is to use autotools instead of standard makefile
Jun 03 23:46:03 <Ainulindale> it's easy, painless, and doing a bb recipe with that is straightforward
Jun 03 23:46:06 <Ainulindale> and almost a one liner
Jun 03 23:46:12 <rZr> ok
Jun 03 23:46:22 <rZr> any package to suggest .?
Jun 03 23:46:27 <Digital_Pioneer> So would anyone care to tackle making pianobar work on the FR?
Jun 03 23:46:27 <rZr> maybe hello ?
Jun 03 23:46:33 <Ainulindale> hmmm
Jun 03 23:46:35 <Digital_Pioneer> Heheh
Jun 03 23:46:55 <Ainulindale> rZr: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr.git;a=tree;f=shr-messages;h=653d24e4e61bd258dd3447245cef690071cc5382;hb=HEAD
Jun 03 23:46:58 <Ainulindale> rZr: check configure.ac
Jun 03 23:47:07 <rZr> ok i'll do this later
Jun 04 00:10:49 <tim_abell> i've just flashed my freerunner with om2009. how can i find out which applications i can safely install with opkg, and which will mess things up?
Jun 04 00:13:16 <tim_abell> oh, and the spookiest thing, i'd imported my contacts as vcards into my fdom install on the internal flash, and also onto my qtopia install on the sd card. i reflashed the internal rootfs and kernel with om2009, and repartitioned and formatted the sd card in a card reader, and was more than a little suprised to see my contacts sat there in the contacts of my fresh om2009 install
Jun 04 00:14:09 <tim_abell> what could have happened?
Jun 04 00:14:33 <tim_abell> oh, and hello :)
Jun 04 00:18:56 <ndnihil> check your sim, they're probably on that
Jun 04 00:19:05 <Blu3> contacts are stored on sim
Jun 04 00:19:29 <tim_abell> oh :D
Jun 04 00:20:02 <tim_abell> i wasn't expecting that
Jun 04 00:20:08 <Blu3> ;]
Jun 04 00:20:46 <tim_abell> i followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts
Jun 04 00:21:23 <tim_abell> perhaps someone who has more understanding than me could add something informative to it
Jun 04 00:21:46 <tim_abell> so "addressbook path_to_vCards_file_to_import.vcf" put them straight into the sim?
Jun 04 00:22:06 <tim_abell> or does it copy them to both the sim and the sqlite db for good measure
Jun 04 00:22:32 * tim_abell = noob even after having the phone for months
Jun 04 00:25:30 <tim_abell> any ideas on the opkg thing? I've been burnt before when a package has replaced things i didn't bargain on (I lost the nice full illume keyboard from fdom last time)
Jun 04 00:28:17 <tim_abell> basically i want a list of what is more or less safe to install under om2009 without breaking it
Jun 04 00:29:34 <tim_abell> like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications
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