**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 07 02:59:57 2009 Jun 07 03:00:10 what's 30400? Jun 07 03:00:25 woops Jun 07 03:00:32 hehe, 0340? Jun 07 03:00:36 hey, it has advantages: you never have a misconfigured PMU that will refuse to boot due to wrong USB_curlim or sth like that Jun 07 03:00:56 200906090400.00 Jun 07 03:01:04 rooly: thanks Jun 07 03:01:18 * doc|laptop stabs Jun 07 03:01:30 * rooly dodges Jun 07 03:01:48 date -s 200906062000.00 returns Thu Aug 9 06:06:00 GMT +7 2001! Jun 07 03:01:58 it's ok, it was the phone receiving the stabbing Jun 07 03:02:06 mooohaaahaaa Jun 07 03:02:14 explain that one! Jun 07 03:02:38 wtf!? Jun 07 03:03:03 wrong format? Jun 07 03:03:39 that should return Sat June 6th 20:00:00 Jun 07 03:03:49 :| Jun 07 03:03:54 fuck busybox!!!!! Jun 07 03:03:58 2009 Jun 07 03:04:22 date -s YYYYMMDDHHmm:SS Jun 07 03:04:24 woops Jun 07 03:04:30 YYYYMMDDHHmm.SS Jun 07 03:04:38 that's what I'm setting! Jun 07 03:04:39 :( Jun 07 03:05:02 i realize Jun 07 03:05:15 I know, I'm just semi-ranting Jun 07 03:05:34 welll Jun 07 03:05:48 maybe you have a bad timezone file Jun 07 03:05:58 thats setting you back...like...8 years instead of 8 hours Jun 07 03:06:10 o.O Jun 07 03:06:34 well, guys. Will increase my response time, by moving over to living room, starting xchat on N810 (which sounded like reboot once again a few minutes ago), and wathing some SF on TV Jun 07 03:06:55 don't you mean you'll decrease your response time? :) Jun 07 03:07:05 fuck the TZ file, if you got borked inode - lol Jun 07 03:07:15 so, basically, I have a fucked phone? Jun 07 03:07:32 no, *I* got Jun 07 03:07:44 hmmm? Jun 07 03:08:15 [2009-06-07 04:04:18] [2009-06-07 00:38:47] fsck! /etc/localtime: error: stale NFS file handle :-((( Jun 07 03:08:46 * rooly laughs Jun 07 03:09:16 nfs?! Jun 07 03:09:20 * DocScrutinizer heads off direction SF. no I mean "increase" Jun 07 03:09:41 yes, my bad :/ Jun 07 03:10:59 so seems theres only bullshit on TV Jun 07 03:11:07 of course, doc Jun 07 03:11:11 nothing worth watching Jun 07 03:11:20 communication is the new broadcasting Jun 07 03:11:37 it should be called the FBC over here in the US Jun 07 03:16:24 maybe neovento is worth a try Jun 07 03:19:13 so which bugs were fixed with this new shr-unstable an kernel Doc? Jun 07 03:19:19 Doc Jun 07 04:20:26 the latest shr-unstable has an SHR boot splash:) Jun 07 04:23:03 DONT PANIC rules Jun 07 04:24:10 yea i can set my time Jun 07 04:24:33 bastard :( Jun 07 04:25:26 get back to work Jun 07 04:26:06 in your face! Jun 07 04:26:08 etc Jun 07 04:29:37 what ya got installed? Jun 07 04:30:58 time stayed correct after reboot Jun 07 04:32:11 phone works Jun 07 04:34:12 ttff 1 minuite Jun 07 04:38:05 slaxxer: when I set it it returns the date all wrong Jun 07 04:38:12 DocScrutinizer says it's a hardware fuck up Jun 07 04:48:22 u have which os? Jun 07 04:48:53 send it back then Jun 07 04:53:05 slaxxer: shr-oemerge Jun 07 04:53:13 slaxxer: would end up getting raped by taxes probably Jun 07 04:53:25 fuck it, I'm about 6 months from just giving up Jun 07 04:56:14 whiner Jun 07 04:56:29 put it on ebay Jun 07 04:56:30 I hope you're trying to be funny Jun 07 04:56:45 nah, I'm thinking I won't inflict it on anyone Jun 07 04:57:01 I'll leave it on my desk as a reminder never to be an early adopter again Jun 07 05:01:44 try the latest shr-unstable an see Jun 07 05:01:55 with the new kernel Jun 07 05:02:57 I tried unstable last week, it had its own problems, and oemerge is apparently more recent again Jun 07 07:40:54 hi 2 all Jun 07 07:41:08 before buying FR there is some questions Jun 07 07:43:16 1 -Do that headsets that are sold with FR have problem with it ,like buzzy ? Jun 07 07:47:26 2-Can we use any bluetooth headset with FR ? Jun 07 07:47:58 3- which brand of microSD card should be bought for it ? Jun 07 07:59:26 dehqan: sometimes bt headsets work, depends on the particular brand Jun 07 07:59:44 dehq any usd should work Jun 07 08:08:36 dehqan: sometimes bt headsets work, depends on the particular brand Jun 07 08:08:59 dehqan: any usd should work Jun 07 09:33:35 Hi! Has someone installed koolu android beta7 manually to NAND + SD? I'd need some help, please. Jun 07 09:36:24 Can someone please tell me which image has to got to which NAND / SD partition? Jun 07 09:38:32 ? Jun 07 09:38:42 it depends on what image you flash to it Jun 07 09:39:41 ndnihil: I'd like to put koolu beta7 on NAND + sd, but I can't use the auto installer Jun 07 09:40:08 Therefore I need to know which file (from the .zip/.tgz) I need to flash to which NAND partition, or extract to which SD partition. Jun 07 09:40:49 ndnihil: I can't use the auto installer because of a bug (badblocks related) in Qi, which renders it unusable on my freerunner. Jun 07 09:41:21 you can probably follow the same instructions as running debian from sd Jun 07 09:41:26 it's on the wiki Jun 07 09:41:43 might be slightly different for an android image Jun 07 09:41:48 I've not tried that Jun 07 09:42:12 ndnihil: The 'slight' difference is the problem, as there are 4 kernel images within the archive Jun 07 09:42:24 well, you can only boot one kernel at a time Jun 07 09:42:33 pick one and give it a try Jun 07 09:42:39 if that doesn't work, try the next one Jun 07 09:42:41 etc... Jun 07 09:42:59 ...and what about the rest? where does userdata.img go? Jun 07 09:43:36 andoid is not verbose at all...it just hangs while booting if something is wrong Jun 07 09:43:54 couldn't tell you Jun 07 09:44:03 I've never used android Jun 07 09:44:32 However, thanks! Is someone here who actually used android beta7? Jun 07 09:46:15 nope, only beta6 Jun 07 09:46:43 android is for fanboys anyway Jun 07 09:46:51 flash SHR to it and suffer with the rest of us :) Jun 07 09:49:28 Zorkman: Did you use the automatic installer? Jun 07 09:53:41 flohack: yes Jun 07 09:55:45 Zorkman: ...thanks anyway Jun 07 09:58:25 Hi, I'm trying to do an nfs mount on my moko, but get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs'". I'm using SHR-testing. Any suggestions...? Jun 07 09:58:42 modprobe nfs Jun 07 09:59:00 NFS is not listed in "/proc/filesystems" Jun 07 09:59:18 ndnihil: "modprobe nfsd" worked, but still no go at the mount commnad Jun 07 09:59:31 modprobing nfs gives "FATAL: Module nfs not found." Jun 07 09:59:48 I do have kernel-module-nfs-acl installed Jun 07 10:00:53 /lib/modules/2.6.28-rc4/kernel/fs/nfs/nfs.ko Jun 07 10:00:58 my shr-testing has it Jun 07 10:01:07 I'm running an older version though Jun 07 10:01:38 ndnihil: I've got /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc2/kernel/fs/nfs_common/ Jun 07 10:02:01 see if there's a .tar.gz of modules that goes with it Jun 07 10:02:04 and thus the "nfs_acl", but I don't know what that is... Jun 07 10:02:54 ndnihil: ah, maybe I've forgot to install that, thanks - will check! Jun 07 10:05:42 hrm, for shr-testing there is a modules tar for 2.6.28, but not .29 Jun 07 10:05:46 ndnihil: Hm, my kernel comes from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ but there's no module package for that kernel... Can I use the old one? Jun 07 10:05:54 exactly :) Jun 07 10:06:07 no, the modules need to be compiled for the same version kernel Jun 07 10:06:17 So, how do downgrade the kernel... :/ Jun 07 10:06:39 grab the 2.6.28 .bin Jun 07 10:06:41 and flash it Jun 07 10:07:04 ndnihil: ok, thanks Jun 07 10:08:41 there is a .29 modules tar in unstable Jun 07 10:08:48 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ Jun 07 10:08:57 hm, will test that first Jun 07 10:08:59 might be the same version Jun 07 10:09:42 Is it possible to simply opkg upgrade to shr-unstable? Jun 07 10:09:58 simply? I doubt it Jun 07 10:10:44 opkg is rather "dumb" Jun 07 10:11:21 I think of it more as a shell script around wget and tar, rather than something like apt or rpm Jun 07 10:12:10 ok, but which modules-xxx.tgz to choose... Jun 07 10:12:50 whichever one matches your kernel Jun 07 10:14:56 Interesting: "opkg list_installed|grep kernel" gives "kernel-2.6.29-rc2 - 2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2" Jun 07 10:15:46 So it seems the 2.6.29 kernel is in fact a 2.6.28 kernel? Jun 07 10:15:55 I wouldn't think so Jun 07 10:16:06 I'd chalk that up to opkg being stupid Jun 07 10:16:10 Hm, I'll give that 2.6.28 tar.gz a go and see what happens Jun 07 10:16:12 yep Jun 07 10:16:16 do you have the kernel image you flashed to it? Jun 07 10:16:24 yes Jun 07 10:16:31 what is the file name? Jun 07 10:16:44 I used "shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2 uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin" Jun 07 10:16:53 so - "-latest"... Jun 07 10:16:55 ah Jun 07 10:17:02 I usually grab the long named version Jun 07 10:17:15 -latest is just a symlink to that Jun 07 10:17:17 yes - smarter - will do that next time :) Jun 07 10:57:55 hi Jun 07 11:04:36 ahoi Jun 07 11:28:16 aaaaaaaaargh PBeck Jun 07 11:29:46 hrm, new shr-unstable looks nice Jun 07 11:29:50 but no usb network Jun 07 11:31:04 :) Jun 07 11:31:19 and settings just locked up Jun 07 11:35:23 usb0 -> eth2 Jun 07 11:35:25 for some reason Jun 07 11:37:08 yay, gprs settings are persistent Jun 07 11:37:27 good job shr people Jun 07 11:44:29 ndnihil: it's normal, from now on it's ethx Jun 07 11:46:05 hrm, wifi with wpa still broken Jun 07 11:46:56 zork: thanks, do you know why they made the change? Jun 07 11:47:29 ooh, it's showing up as an acm device now too? Jun 07 11:49:06 ndnihil: don't know, but there seems to be a consensus that it's the sane thing to do Jun 07 11:49:16 *shrug* either is fine by me Jun 07 11:53:39 hi, i just started with the gta02 and i am trying to alter the background image with 'gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png ' but all i get is: can't overwrite existing read-only value :... set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path. can you help me here? Jun 07 11:54:46 hi OpenMoko Jun 07 11:55:38 spricht man hier DE Jun 07 11:56:17 @alewe__ wenn das so ist, dann wuerde ich es so halten. glaube ich aber nicht Jun 07 11:58:10 no one can tell me how to alter the background image in a way to overwrite the config path (read-only)? Jun 07 11:58:23 gibt es Deutsche-IRC kanal für OpenMoko? Jun 07 11:58:56 >ThomasGeo: Danke für Info Jun 07 11:59:17 alewe__: ich habe eben erst mit openmoko angefangen und halt mal in der liste der ircs geschaut. habe nur einen franzoesischen gefunden. Jun 07 11:59:43 alewe__: der rest duerfte englisch gehalten sein Jun 07 11:59:44 das habe ich auch gesehen Jun 07 11:59:53 schade Jun 07 12:00:43 habe die /list auch durch gesucht Jun 07 12:00:46 does #neo1973-germany still exist? Jun 07 12:01:14 weiss: let me check... Jun 07 12:01:31 Danke Weiss Jun 07 12:01:55 kein Problem :D Jun 07 12:03:43 Weiss: also bei mir taucht nur neo auf und sonst nix. Jun 07 12:07:40 hi guys, what rendering should i use? software, xreneder or softare16? Jun 07 12:21:01 ndnihil, the usb0/ethN change is a result of using the Openmoko official mac addresses assigned to the USB instead of letting the kernel pick pseudo-random mac addresses. The big advantage is that it now plays better with Network Managers on the host system -- the mac address is now persistent, and that eth2 interface is permanently assigned to that particular FR and no other usb-connected device. Jun 07 12:23:24 makes sense Jun 07 12:28:48 hrm, not able to receive sms Jun 07 12:28:53 Weiss: wie heisst der kanal #neo19??? Jun 07 12:29:16 hab zu frü weg geklickt Jun 07 12:29:19 oh wait, it receives, it just doesn't alert Jun 07 12:40:39 alewe__: #neo1973-germany Jun 07 12:41:04 danke PBeck Jun 07 12:41:14 bist meine retung Jun 07 12:41:23 of course :D Jun 07 12:41:49 i am the glory saver! :) Jun 07 13:23:40 In the SHR screenshot id 2803 here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php Is the wifi manager mentioned a working GUI for wireless networks? Jun 07 13:26:51 jonquark: what do you exactly mean? Jun 07 13:27:16 this is just part of shr-settings to turn wifi on/off, and configure gprs and turn it on/off Jun 07 13:27:39 a gui for typing wifi passwords etc, is only available in the playground; not yet standard in shr Jun 07 13:27:48 zorkman: I mean the "wifi manager (off)" button Jun 07 13:28:35 which isn't in the version of shr I last used - it doesn't open a gui for wifi passwords etc? Jun 07 13:29:38 jonquark: that's what i mean, it's just for powering the wifi chip up or down Jun 07 13:29:54 zorkman: ok thanks very much Jun 07 13:30:02 a gui to enter passwords is not standard shipped, but it is available in the playground Jun 07 13:30:03 jonquark: np Jun 07 13:30:15 I look forward to seeing it move into SHR ;) Jun 07 14:24:59 hi 2 all , Is touchpen with laser moe usable ? or without laser is enoughe? Jun 07 14:26:13 hehe, you don't need a laser for the phone :) Jun 07 14:39:30 Tanx zorkman ,How about wired headset that is sold with phone ,has their mic been buzz fixed ? Jun 07 15:54:41 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rc3e94e528619 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: Add DBus interface prefixes for fsotime Jun 07 15:54:43 freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r492d249c5115 10/fsotimed/ (9 files in 5 dirs): fsotime: Initial skeleton checkin for Alarm Jun 07 17:16:58 hi 2 all ;there is some questions before buying FR Jun 07 17:17:24 1- which bluetooth headset is better to use with FR ?which brand ? Jun 07 17:43:30 1- which bluetooth headset is better to use with FR ?which brand ? Jun 07 17:44:07 dehqan: you're assuming that any work Jun 07 17:44:24 dehqan: As I understand it, none of the common distributions will actually work with a headset. Jun 07 17:44:35 I could of course be wrong. Jun 07 17:45:20 SpeedEvil: i don't think distros are an issue, some hw just does not work Jun 07 17:45:41 lindi-: I mean - I haven't seen anything on the wiki claiming that headsets work Jun 07 17:45:55 And I do understand that they differ Jun 07 17:57:27 tanx so in wiki has beeen said > Note that the "Big C" buzz fix only fixes the internal microphone; a wired headset mic will still cause buzz [4]. A bluetooth headset may be one solution. Jun 07 17:58:01 hence bluetooth headset should be buy ok ? Jun 07 17:58:18 now which brands maybe some one in mailist knows that Jun 07 18:03:28 'a bluetooth headset may be one solution' does not mean that it actually is implemented. Jun 07 18:08:19 SpeedEvil: though it is implemented in the frameworkd already. Jun 07 18:10:00 I assume that doesn't mean 'it just works' ? Jun 07 18:11:07 * SpeedEvil ponders if laptop will keep connection on top of operating microwave. Jun 07 18:11:19 * SpeedEvil is surprised. Jun 07 18:11:24 SpeedEvil: hm, it is supposed to just work Jun 07 18:11:40 Anyone tried a bluetooth headset? Jun 07 18:11:41 SpeedEvil: after you pair it and add an entry to frameworkd config file. Jun 07 18:11:45 I did Jun 07 18:12:12 Ah - I was meaning 'just works' as in GUI all the way - and it works as a user might expect it to. Jun 07 18:12:24 SpeedEvil: but this particular handset is somehow not compatible with FR's chip and doesn't produce any sound in SCO mode so i couldn't use it. But it turned on on calls etc. Jun 07 18:12:35 k Jun 07 18:12:40 GUI? what's that? Jun 07 18:12:56 it's the thing that seems to be lacking! Jun 07 18:13:01 grandmother user interface Jun 07 18:13:20 If nobody writes it it means nobody needs it, this is how i see. Jun 07 18:13:34 actually, that may just be me narrowing "lacking" too much when it relates to the freerunner Jun 07 18:14:03 PaulFertser: assuming of course everybody who needs it is skilled in the art Jun 07 18:14:29 Like the headset button thing. Jun 07 19:35:42 wifi+neo+pidgin first time working Jun 07 19:36:46 Hey, is there some kind of 'getting started' or something for writing C++ apps that use Elementary? Jun 07 19:37:01 you know what's nice? When a wiki for a mobile device looks shit on that mobile device Jun 07 19:37:25 fredrin|Neo, which distro? Jun 07 19:37:33 yea Jun 07 19:37:41 shr-unstable? Jun 07 19:37:46 lateast Jun 07 19:37:52 shr unstable latest update Jun 07 19:38:00 slaxxer, tried that today Jun 07 19:38:07 works Jun 07 19:38:08 shr-settings had problems with dbus Jun 07 19:38:25 can set time in the gui Jun 07 19:38:28 i dont like pidgin though Jun 07 19:38:31 anyway, the latest kernel didn't boot for me (one back was ok) Jun 07 19:38:52 i have the latest on a v5 Jun 07 19:39:05 some way to get fullscreen? Jun 07 19:39:25 slaxxer ditto Jun 07 19:40:04 wifi dont like suspend though Jun 07 19:42:37 I'm trying to pre-download a map from openstreetmap. Anyone know which format to use to play in the cache dir? Jun 07 19:44:44 ni idea? Jun 07 19:46:56 what a good irc client? Jun 07 19:47:17 irssi Jun 07 19:47:47 for the neo? Jun 07 19:48:02 why not? Jun 07 19:48:43 xchat? Jun 07 19:49:04 did not know it was in the feed Jun 07 19:49:36 ill try it Jun 07 19:52:28 no irssi in the feed Jun 07 19:53:49 anyone? Jun 07 19:54:38 doc|work, tangogps? Jun 07 19:55:18 czaks: yep Jun 07 19:55:25 doc|work, .png Jun 07 19:55:26 sorry, should have said Jun 07 19:55:39 but tangogps has an option to autodownload that Jun 07 19:55:40 czaks: ok, and if I select a block will it download higher res images within that block? Jun 07 19:55:55 czaks: only if you have gprs and I'm in canuckistan where data rates are silly expensive Jun 07 19:55:55 i don't think so Jun 07 19:56:04 hmm, is there any way to get those? Jun 07 19:56:11 besides constant zooming? Jun 07 19:56:19 uhm Jun 07 19:56:25 i don't know Jun 08 00:10:33 openmoko: 03werner * r5104 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Tobias reviewed the SC32442 as well. Jun 08 02:28:57 ooooo yeeeaaaaaaa **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 08 02:59:57 2009