**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 08 02:59:57 2009
Jun 08 04:01:30 <slaxxer> july 4th is coming up
Jun 08 04:21:10 <ndnihil> anyone gotten navit working on latest shr unstable?
Jun 08 04:21:21 <ndnihil> it's complaining about no gui no matter what I tell it to use
Jun 08 04:22:15 <slaxxer> na
Jun 08 04:25:00 <slaxxer> u using Qi with no problems?
Jun 08 04:25:18 <slaxxer> im using uboot still
Jun 08 04:29:08 <slaxxer> navit
Jun 08 05:41:13 <ndnihil> slaxxer: nope, uboot here
Jun 08 05:41:20 <ndnihil> no reason for me to upgrade to qi
Jun 08 05:41:29 <ndnihil> and I'm familiar with uboot from other embedded projects
Jun 08 05:45:41 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: faster boot and suspend/resume?
Jun 08 05:48:08 <ndnihil> how much faster? It'd have to be pretty quick for me to abandon uboot
Jun 08 05:50:18 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: i don't know, never used u-boot ;)
Jun 08 05:50:48 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: what about inability to bork u-boot env? Qi doesn't need any env at all.
Jun 08 05:50:52 <ndnihil> I use it on avr32 boards
Jun 08 05:51:22 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: btw, by flashing qi you won't loose any env you configured, you can reflash u-boot later if you want and it will work as before.
Jun 08 05:51:26 <ndnihil> qi doesnt need an environment?
Jun 08 05:51:33 <ndnihil> how does that work?
Jun 08 05:51:37 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: qi has everything "reasonably" hardcoded.
Jun 08 05:51:52 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: for kernel arguments it can read /boot/append-GTA02 
Jun 08 05:52:02 <ndnihil> hrm
Jun 08 05:52:15 <ndnihil> I'm skeptical, but I've heard nothing but good from qi
Jun 08 05:52:24 <ndnihil> qi users rather
Jun 08 05:54:25 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: some qi users complain and revert to u-boot, i must admit. But those either need something really special or they don't understand Qi "phylosophy".
Jun 08 05:56:48 <lindi-> ndnihil: now I'm Qi user and I complain :)
Jun 08 05:57:07 <ndnihil> shows how much I pay attention
Jun 08 05:57:23 <ndnihil> what are its drawbacks?
Jun 08 05:58:40 <lindi-> ndnihil: I need to have two partitions on SD to be able to boot two different kernels
Jun 08 05:59:21 <lindi-> ndnihil: it hardcodes the nand partition layout
Jun 08 06:03:05 <PaulFertser> lindi-: for end-user both are reasonable compromises, imho. And developer can change what he needs. That's why i say that you complain because you need "something special".
Jun 08 06:03:30 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: also Qi is maintained and u-boot seem to be not...
Jun 08 06:04:15 <lindi-> surely upstream u-boot is maintained
Jun 08 06:04:48 <ndnihil> hrm, support is generally a good thing
Jun 08 06:04:55 <ndnihil> do you still get the boot menu from holding aux?
Jun 08 06:05:14 <lindi-> ndnihil: NOR u-boot?
Jun 08 06:05:24 <ndnihil> aux then power = nor right?
Jun 08 06:05:31 <ndnihil> nand is power then aux?
Jun 08 06:05:46 <lindi-> yep
Jun 08 06:05:58 <ndnihil> then yeah NOR
Jun 08 06:06:04 <PaulFertser> lindi-: upstream is. But is there anybody who fixed recent finding about incorrect PCF charging current threshold?
Jun 08 06:06:31 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: no, nand is power. Aux will give you a menu only if u-boot is installed to NAND.
Jun 08 06:08:13 <PaulFertser> lindi-: is it possible to modify your ramconsole patch so it will use the last megabyte only if some kernel parameter present? That way we can compile it in by default and ensure that only those who understand what they are doing will use it.
Jun 08 06:08:36 <lindi-> PaulFertser: how about just using mtdoops?
Jun 08 06:10:04 * ndnihil stabs navit
Jun 08 06:10:49 <ndnihil> I set the gui type, but it insists on "no instance has been created, exiting"
Jun 08 06:11:41 <lindi-> PaulFertser: seems the same line with the same comment exists in u-boot also
Jun 08 06:11:52 <lindi-> PaulFertser: /* cutoff current 1/32 * Ichg */
Jun 08 06:14:23 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i had sometimes inability to interact with device but it didn't blink AUX led so... I like your ramconsole idea.
Jun 08 06:14:52 <PaulFertser> lindi-: GTA02: set battery full charging current threshold to 2/32*Ichg (is what was suggested recently)
Jun 08 06:16:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yep
Jun 08 06:20:11 <lindi-> PaulFertser: i'm bit confused about what that patch does though. doesn't kernel control charging?
Jun 08 06:23:03 <PaulFertser> lindi-: PCF does it semi-automatically and cuts of current when it wants to (and that depends on threshold set).
Jun 08 06:27:54 <lindi-> PaulFertser: yep but can't kernel set those too?
Jun 08 06:28:15 <PaulFertser> lindi-: wrt ramconsole: imho if you make it the way it won't hurt with the default boot environment, i would vote for inclusion by default.
Jun 08 06:29:17 <PaulFertser> lindi-: this bootloader/kernel thing was discussed and i need to reread the discussion again to draw a conclusion. It is definetely possible to set it in kernel. The question is whether it should be done at all, and if yes, on what cases.
Jun 08 06:29:21 <lindi-> PaulFertser: but mtdoops already exists and is included?
Jun 08 06:30:46 <PaulFertser> lindi-: suitable only for panics afaict. Are you happy with it?
Jun 08 06:31:17 <lindi-> PaulFertser: it's a compromise of course
Jun 08 06:31:58 <lindi-> PaulFertser: for many users it probably would be enough
Jun 08 06:43:14 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i can't find CONFIG_MTD_OOPS in any Kconfig, what am i doing wrong?
Jun 08 06:44:01 <lindi-> PaulFertser: "# CONFIG_MTD_OOPS is not set"?
Jun 08 06:44:23 <PaulFertser> lindi-: yes, everywhere. How is it supposed to be set if desired?
Jun 08 06:45:03 <lindi-> PaulFertser: set it to y? ;)
Jun 08 06:45:29 <lindi-> the Kconfig option documents how to use it if I remember correctly
Jun 08 06:45:44 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i can't find it in any Kconfig.
Jun 08 06:46:15 <lindi-> PaulFertser: ./drivers/mtd/Kconfig:config MTD_OOPS
Jun 08 06:46:38 <PaulFertser> lindi-: ah, i'm stupid
Jun 08 06:47:05 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i was grepping for CONFIG_MTD_OOPS
Jun 08 07:01:16 <ecraven> hello ;) can anyone tell me about an external charger for the *battery*?
Jun 08 07:01:54 <PaulFertser> ecraven: any nokia bl-5c-compatible should do (if it doesn't pay attention to the temperature sensor).
Jun 08 07:05:20 <deepsight> good morning! (UGT)
Jun 08 07:05:38 <deepsight> i was wondering how can i get the time from the GSM network?
Jun 08 07:05:58 <deepsight> in SHR with CLI
Jun 08 07:06:28 <lindi-> deepsight: you don't usually
Jun 08 07:06:38 <PaulFertser> deepsight: not every gsm network gives you time. And it doesn't do it on request ever afaik.
Jun 08 07:06:54 <lindi-> deepsight: at least i've never ever seen a log where somebody has read the time from gsm network
Jun 08 07:08:20 <deepsight> ok so there is no way for the OM to sync to this time?
Jun 08 07:08:32 <PaulFertser> deepsight: NTP or GPS works
Jun 08 07:08:36 <lindi-> deepsight: OM? the distro
Jun 08 07:08:40 <deepsight> SHR
Jun 08 07:08:51 <PaulFertser> deepsight: why not sync to GPS instead?
Jun 08 07:08:53 <lindi-> deepsight: ah so not OM then :)
Jun 08 07:08:55 <deepsight> or om2009
Jun 08 07:09:00 <deepsight> hehe sorry
Jun 08 07:09:09 <deepsight> i have both
Jun 08 07:09:23 <lindi-> deepsight: i'm using RTC and compensating for the drift
Jun 08 07:09:29 <PaulFertser> deepsight: if you provide us with an accurate info about how to get time from GSM network, it'd be nice to hear.
Jun 08 07:09:49 <PaulFertser> deepsight: i can tell you that we can get some sort of useless timezone information from the network though.
Jun 08 07:09:55 <deepsight> i have no idea, that was my question :)
Jun 08 07:12:15 <deepsight> actually my question came from trying to figure out how a piece of symbian worked, so i came to you for answers ;)
Jun 08 07:14:58 <PaulFertser> lindi-: PCF_TIME: 07.06.09 11:27:11 RTC_TIME: 7.5.109 11:27:11 ? What does it mean?
Jun 08 07:17:03 <PaulFertser> lindi-: i guess it's just the months is differently encoded and everything is ok then.
Jun 08 07:17:18 <lindi-> PaulFertser: you just read from pcf rtc
Jun 08 07:55:04 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 08 09:45:26 <wd> http://php.suxx.us/home/fr/macopix1.png just an idea
Jun 08 10:06:05 <messerting> Can anyone assist me in getting nfs to work on shr-testing? :)
Jun 08 11:20:38 <Pander> hi all
Jun 08 11:26:19 <Zorkman> hi Pander
Jun 08 11:26:40 <SpeedEvil> hi
Jun 08 11:32:48 <Pander> anyone know how to create a unicode character in python like print ur'\ufb03' only I would like ot get the last 4 characters from a variable
Jun 08 11:41:01 <Pander> got it, thanks
Jun 08 11:41:05 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 08 11:42:23 <Zorkman> np Pander :)
Jun 08 11:43:39 <Zorkman> for all those interested: try the latest navit (2308), it is now usable with OSM
Jun 08 12:36:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5105 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: 
Jun 08 12:36:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: STATUS updates:
Jun 08 12:36:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: - Tobias reviewed si1040x, smsn16, sw_push_4, tas4025a
Jun 08 12:36:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: - corrected typo in Tobias' name
Jun 08 12:36:29 <CIA-53> openmoko: - added Alvaro as author of emh4, ht210, sw_push_4
Jun 08 12:37:14 <Guest70427> ?
Jun 08 12:37:20 <Guest70427> this works
Jun 08 12:37:36 <SpeedEvil> yes, it does.
Jun 08 12:37:37 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 08 12:40:12 <dehqan> Hi 2 all ,what is differences between models A5 and A6 and A7 ?
Jun 08 12:40:45 <SpeedEvil> See the wiki, there is a rrevision list - I think on the GTA02 page
Jun 08 12:40:49 <SpeedEvil> but I don't know
Jun 08 12:40:54 <SpeedEvil> A7 = buzzfixed
Jun 08 12:41:01 <SpeedEvil> don't remember other versions
Jun 08 12:43:32 <dehqan> what has been fixed in  A7 ?
Jun 08 12:43:40 <dehqan> just internal mic ?
Jun 08 12:43:54 <dehqan> that C-work ..
Jun 08 12:43:55 <dehqan> ?
Jun 08 12:43:59 <SpeedEvil> Go to the wiki search 'GTA02 revision'
Jun 08 12:44:09 <dehqan> yes there is 
Jun 08 12:44:16 <dehqan> there has been said 
Jun 08 12:44:35 <dehqan> anything more that what has been said there 
Jun 08 12:44:36 <dehqan> ?
Jun 08 12:45:13 <SpeedEvil> What specifically are you wondering about
Jun 08 12:47:08 <Ainulindale> Hmmm can't' remember how to download specific maps for tangogps. Would any of you know?
Jun 08 12:47:12 <Ainulindale> (Considering I'm behind a proxy)
Jun 08 12:47:54 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: just zoom to the area, cick on the map, select download map?
Jun 08 12:47:56 <SpeedEvil> It should work with webproxies
Jun 08 12:48:01 <Ainulindale> Zorkman: Can't. Proxy.
Jun 08 12:48:09 <Ainulindale> It won't download it.
Jun 08 12:49:36 <Zorkman> gprs :D
Jun 08 12:49:46 <Ainulindale> I don't have that and I won't.
Jun 08 12:51:03 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JTileDownloader
Jun 08 12:51:09 <SpeedEvil> you can instaall tangogps on a PC, download the area, and then just  copy
Jun 08 12:52:32 <Zorkman> Ainulindale: that JTiledownloader has http proxies support
Jun 08 12:55:26 <dehqan> see in germany distributer has said that their FR is not buzz fixed , in fixed versions what has been done ?just internal mic has been fiixed ?by that c work ?or there is other fixs in A7 ?
Jun 08 12:56:08 <SpeedEvil> Try readingthe mailing list archives
Jun 08 12:57:56 <PaulFertser> dehqan: only internal mic is fixed. Only A8 has decent buzzfixing but it not produced.
Jun 08 13:01:14 <messerting> Can anyone assist me in getting nfs to work on shr-testing? :)
Jun 08 13:02:14 <messerting> I've got /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc2/kernel/fs/nfs_common/nfs_acl.ko but no nfs module
Jun 08 13:03:05 <dehqan> tanx paul ,so paul what other problem has been fixed in A8 ?
Jun 08 13:03:12 <messerting> I have untarred "modules-2.6.28-stable\+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.tar"
Jun 08 13:04:56 <messerting> The question is - what module do I need to have support for the nfs filesystem, and where can I download that module..
Jun 08 13:09:01 <dehqan> tanx paul ,so paul what other problem has been fixed in A8 ?
Jun 08 13:09:08 <dehqan> do you know ?
Jun 08 13:10:36 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03werner * r5106 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ (. kicad-wishlist): First draft of the (incomplete) KiCad feature wishlist.
Jun 08 13:13:19 <PaulFertser> dehqan: i can tell you about that later but not anything important, just buzz and probably cosmetic changes.
Jun 08 13:16:56 <dehqan> i mean wich part in A7 still has buzz ?
Jun 08 13:17:35 <dehqan> paul i shoud decide to buy or not to buy ...so there is ned to your help now
Jun 08 13:19:31 <Zorkman> a7 is already buzz fixed asaik
Jun 08 14:02:12 <DocScrutinizer> dehqan really seems a poor guy, alway vanishing from #chan very quickly
Jun 08 14:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> probably internet cafes in iran are very uncomfortable and expensive place
Jun 08 14:10:00 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r5107 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: Additional component info - from rehar@saweb.de
Jun 08 14:16:06 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r5108 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 08 14:16:06 <CIA-53> openmoko: Additional components from Rene Harder rehar@saweb.de
Jun 08 14:16:06 <CIA-53> openmoko:  - gps chipset (atr0635)
Jun 08 14:16:06 <CIA-53> openmoko:  - gps coax connector
Jun 08 14:34:01 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r5109 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/STATUS): update AUTHORS and STATUS
Jun 08 15:07:52 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r5110 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: I've done a partial review of the atr0635
Jun 08 15:21:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r100de0cc8a26 10/libfsotransport/configure.ac: 
Jun 08 15:21:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: fsotransport: configure.ac: use 'test -e' instead of AC_CHECK_FILE
Jun 08 15:21:25 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: to play nice with cross compiling
Jun 08 15:44:58 <dehqan> hi 2 all , is qtopia free ?
Jun 08 15:47:39 <leinir> dehqan: Yup :)
Jun 08 15:48:58 <dehqan> so what is this  ? http://tinyurl.com/mgedut
Jun 08 15:49:06 <CIA-53> freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07aurora * r51e30bc14d62 10/README: README++
Jun 08 15:49:46 <neomilium> dehqan : "Installation of Qt ..." seems to be the service not software
Jun 08 15:49:53 <dehqan> another question ,Is battery life in FR low if we compare with other common phones ?
Jun 08 15:51:19 <leinir> That is a service, yes, they're not selling the software per se :)
Jun 08 15:51:35 <leinir> It's roughly equivalent (even slightly higher) when compared to other similarly powered smartphones :)
Jun 08 15:52:58 <dehqan> tanx leinir ,anda how can someone contact to http://openmobile.nl/ ?
Jun 08 15:53:25 <neomilium> dehqan : FR battery is a good battery (1200mAH, if I can remember) but FR's linux consume it really fast.. around 1 charge per day
Jun 08 15:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> wtf, neomilium left #chan
Jun 08 15:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> dehqan: we recently got gsm standby time of 5days
Jun 08 15:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> even 6days
Jun 08 15:58:15 <der-lehmann> really?
Jun 08 16:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> dehqan: in normal usage expect a standby time of at least two days. and a full powered up active time of 6..7h
Jun 08 16:06:17 <slaxxer> shr i guess?
Jun 08 16:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> of course the later depends on usage pattern
Jun 08 16:06:33 <DocScrutinizer> yup, shr
Jun 08 16:06:49 <slaxxer> is it time to release yet?
Jun 08 16:08:21 <Guest65430> I have problem with find a recent image of qt extended improved, Can someone point me in the right direction?
Jun 08 16:13:07 <slaxxer> yea i think my battery life increased a lot
Jun 08 16:15:01 <dehqan> tanx every body for attentions 
Jun 08 17:48:21 <badcloud> general question
Jun 08 17:48:42 <badcloud> are there some v6 models that don't have the buzz bug?
Jun 08 17:48:58 <badcloud> I haven't experienced it (at least I don't think I have)
Jun 08 17:49:32 <PaulFertser> badcloud: yes, those that are reworked before shipping.
Jun 08 17:50:07 <PaulFertser> badcloud: but i guess you were just lucky to not see it, probably you'll face it when you move/visit somewhere else.
Jun 08 17:50:22 <PaulFertser> badcloud: it's easy to tell if you have buzzfix or not, just look at the board.
Jun 08 17:51:13 <badcloud> hmmm, don't wanna take it apart. I wouldn't know how to put it back together :P
Jun 08 17:51:29 <PaulFertser> badcloud: it's all written on the wiki
Jun 08 17:59:34 <SpeedEvil> It's not really - there isn't on the gta0 2 revisions page a list of a6->a7 chanes
Jun 08 18:00:27 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5111 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Update review status
Jun 08 18:00:48 <SpeedEvil> changes
Jun 08 18:03:32 <PaulFertser> SpeedEvil: (wiki) i meant how to assembly it back.
Jun 08 18:05:48 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jun 08 18:22:14 <badcloud> Paul, could you give me the link? can't find it
Jun 08 18:22:25 <badcloud> for opening the case
Jun 08 18:23:34 <badcloud> found it
Jun 08 18:35:18 <PaulFertser> badcloud: you'd need torx screwdriver anyway.
Jun 08 18:53:03 <rhaeder> so. else from Duesseldorf/Germany or neighboring cities? Please add yourself here: http://www.doodle.com/q9cverygf8fv7y68
Jun 08 18:53:27 <rhaeder> and here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf (at the end)
Jun 08 18:55:39 <Etu> Hi thar!
Jun 08 18:55:50 <Etu> I got I freerunner fom a frient
Jun 08 18:55:54 <Etu> friend*
Jun 08 18:56:07 <Etu> And I try to Flash it
Jun 08 18:56:25 <Etu> But I get this everytime: Starting download: [dfu_download error -71
Jun 08 19:02:54 <PaulFertser> Etu: check your command thouroughly. Try another usb cable. Try to connect without usb hub. Stuff like that.
Jun 08 19:15:33 <rhaeder> Etu: maybe weak USB port? tried other devices on same jack?
Jun 08 19:16:02 <beer_> I do not know what that means but du you have dfu-util instaled?
Jun 08 19:16:33 <beer_> and maybe try use http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool ?
Jun 08 19:16:49 <rhaeder> Etu: Another idea of mine is that you should try an other USB port
Jun 08 19:16:54 <PaulFertser> beer_: doesn't neotool suck?
Jun 08 19:17:06 <beer_> define "suck"?
Jun 08 19:17:16 <rhaeder> I used dfu-util with no problems at al :)
Jun 08 19:17:22 <PaulFertser> beer_: works worse than plain dfu-util
Jun 08 19:17:37 <beer_> then it does not suck
Jun 08 19:17:40 <rhaeder> sry for my weak english if I have typos
Jun 08 19:18:11 <beer_> but at the other hand I am not a console user/TUI but a GUI user
Jun 08 19:19:14 <beer_> I awoite the terminal when I can beocuse I can hardly remeber the commands I need and it takes to long time to look them up at google
Jun 08 19:20:25 <beer_> and Neotool is the only gui I know to flash the Freerunner
Jun 08 19:20:36 <beer_> if there is a bether pleace tell me
Jun 08 19:21:16 <rhaeder> beer_: try http://wiki.openmoko.org
Jun 08 19:21:34 <rhaeder> If you like I can figure out the right page for you (should be USB networking or so)
Jun 08 19:24:01 <beer_> you mean: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking?
Jun 08 19:26:51 <beer_> I have tried using that guide to setupt my freerunner to connect to the internet but I must have done something wrong. I can easly settup so I can connect via ssh to the phone and back. But when I use the rest of the commands, without any error reports, I cannot ping anything
Jun 08 19:28:21 <PaulFertser> beer_: obviously commands should be understood first, then used...
Jun 08 19:30:02 <beer_> PaulFertser: what is one of the reason I prefer a nice GUI. Often a GUI makes more sence than a TUI (at least tome). and therefor easy to use
Jun 08 19:30:53 <messerting> Can anyone assist me in getting nfs to work on shr-testing? I have untarred the modules, but I don't seem to have the "nfs" module - not even sure I need it. But "nfs" is not listed in /proc/filesystems
Jun 08 19:31:46 <messerting> and when I try to mount a nfs drive, I get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'nfs'"
Jun 08 19:32:03 <PaulFertser> beer_: i doubt that. Using "firestarter" (or whatever) can't substitute reading "man iptables", imho.
Jun 08 19:32:14 <beer_> you was thinking about http://planet.openmoko.org/ ?
Jun 08 19:35:03 <slaxxer> yea i think my battery life increased a lot
Jun 08 19:35:11 <slaxxer> iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24
Jun 08 19:35:11 <slaxxer> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
Jun 08 19:35:11 <slaxxer> ip addr add 192.168.0.200/24 dev eth2
Jun 08 19:35:11 <slaxxer> ifconfig eth2 up
Jun 08 19:35:28 <slaxxer> that dopes it for me
Jun 08 19:35:37 <beer_> those few times I have tried to read a man for a command I often end with getting more annoyed that I was before I tried man command
Jun 08 19:36:08 <slaxxer> things work better when someone helps a little
Jun 08 19:36:42 <slaxxer> not everyone is a linux god
Jun 08 19:37:32 <beer_> and I am not sitting behind a firewall but instead af nat (whith port 22 and 80 open, ofc with username and password for ssh) and I feel enough secure. At least with those kind if data I have
Jun 08 19:38:13 <slaxxer> im sitting behind a firewall
Jun 08 19:38:28 <slaxxer> whatever good that is
Jun 08 19:39:15 <PaulFertser> I've started to understand bash programming solely by looking at the man page. mplayer has a decent big manpage too. I can't see how manpage can annoy anyone.
Jun 08 19:43:57 <beer_> first is the problem that finding the command you cannot remeber the name of, the find the man pages of that command, then find the right options that does what you whant. To me it is harder than write sudo neotool. And then point and clikc and waite for my phone to be flashed
Jun 08 19:44:37 <SpeedEvil> It was earlier back in the day.
Jun 08 19:44:43 <SpeedEvil> When man * was plausible to read
Jun 08 19:44:53 <SpeedEvil> now there are lots more commands.
Jun 08 19:45:45 <wurp2|gone> beer_: for the first & second problem, man -k or apropos
Jun 08 19:46:42 <Etu> PaulFertser, rhaeder: Lost my internet connection, Eh, ok, I will try.
Jun 08 19:47:05 <rhaeder> rhaeder: Etu: maybe weak USB port? tried other devices on same jack?
Jun 08 19:47:10 <rhaeder> Etu: Another idea of mine is that you should try an other USB port
Jun 08 19:47:17 <rhaeder> that is what I typed :)
Jun 08 19:48:17 <Etu> rhaeder: I ran it on another computer yesterday, and it worked to update rootfs, then it gave me error -71 on the same port
Jun 08 19:48:31 <beer_> then I first need to look op what -k does!! :) so I have to man man to do that ? ;) (I am not trying to convince people to switch from TUI but just telling why I say away from it)
Jun 08 19:49:37 <rhaeder> Etu: sry no idea. it worked here like out of the box
Jun 08 19:50:43 <Etu> rhaeder: I will try on another computer later :)
Jun 08 19:50:55 <rhaeder> k
Jun 08 20:00:51 <wurp2|gone> beer_: "man man", man!
Jun 08 20:05:46 <PaulFertser> % man: why did you get a divorce?
Jun 08 20:05:49 <PaulFertser> man:: Too many arguments.
Jun 08 20:08:45 <beer_> wurp2|gone: I have found a bether way: google man (or was it man google ;)
Jun 08 20:09:54 <plhardy>  man woman
Jun 08 20:09:54 <plhardy> No manual entry for woman
Jun 08 20:10:13 <plhardy> this one is very well known...
Jun 08 20:10:24 <SpeedEvil> Linux trojan kit: Advance clock to milestones see what breaks, now, see what strings the programs emit as they break, now, put up a page and get it well indexed as a 'fix'. 'just download this'.
Jun 08 20:22:36 <beer_> night nigth, sleep tight 
Jun 08 20:24:13 <lindi-> SpeedEvil: download is too suspicious. it needs to be a perl one-liner
Jun 08 20:25:18 <wurp2|lazy> Besides which, a perl one liner is harder to see as an exploit than the octal dump of the download
Jun 08 21:40:02 <mihairu> mrtvo :)
Jun 08 21:43:39 <|Ron|> I love the -X option of ssh, I can now control about any graphical app from my laptop on my FR... 
Jun 08 21:44:09 <|Ron|> i can even play movies from any format... 
Jun 08 21:44:49 <|Ron|> only the framerate is low (4 fps) and the sound comes from my laptop :P
Jun 08 23:33:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: 03daveb * r5112 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (atr0635.lib gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): 
Jun 08 23:33:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: fixes to the atr0635 from Rene Harder (rehar@saweb.de)
Jun 08 23:33:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: VCC2 change to E4,
Jun 08 23:33:09 <CIA-53> openmoko: NXTO -> nXTO.
Jun 09 02:53:25 <slaxxer> how about an option of turning the white keyboard black in shr?
Jun 09 02:54:11 <slaxxer> an hacking alsa mixer doun to something usable
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